published Tuesday, November 13th, 2012

Self-Reflection

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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miraweb said...

Not while there remains one libertarian, one weather system, or one tax return that can be blamed. Never surrender!

November 13, 2012 at 12:02 a.m.
David_Franks said...

Do Republicans even cast reflections?

November 13, 2012 at 12:07 a.m.
hambone said...

That's 7 years bad luck!

Have they given up on 2016 too !

November 13, 2012 at 12:19 a.m.
AndrewLohr said...

And have liberals nothing to reflect on? Benghazi? Solyndra? The utter failure of the stimulus bill to keep joblessness below 8%? The utter failure of the Constitution to give Congress power to regulate health care? (If it's that great an idea, amend the Constitution.) The benevolence of murdering unborn babies? The hypocrisy of requiring ID for everything but voting? The arrogant pride of putting bureaucrats between doctor and patient? Repent, you makers of disaster. (Please.)

November 13, 2012 at 12:26 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

Self reflection?? Are you kidding me? That's something that only liberal wusses do! Real Amurikans (and we all know that only conservatives are real Amurikans) don't reflect. They shoot first and ask questions later. Or rather, NEVER ask questions. And they certainly don't apologize! They just shoot, spit, climb on their hosses and giddyup go. Oh yeah, and they wave the flag, thump the Bible, and create wars for the poor to fight in (keeps them grubby takers off welfare and food stamps at least). But self-reflect? Nah. Why self-reflect when you're already the purfekt Amurikan, right?

November 13, 2012 at 12:42 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

NO APOLOGIES

More than just the title of Romney's autobiography, it's also at the core of republican political strategy. Never apologize and never admit a mistake; just blame the other guy.

Andrew just offered a perfect demonstration of that technique. Andy could have said that the GOP has been damaged so badly they even lost the Cuban-Amerian vote in south Florida. He could have said the republican base is shrinking, the complexion of America is changing, and republicans have to have a serious reassessment or they'll go the way of Whigs and Mugwumps. But he didn't. He just blamed democrats over and over again.

When you use real arithmetic, not the math republicans tell themselves to feel better, the numbers should be frightening. But go ahead, blame Rush, blame the media, blame Romney, blame the campaign strategists, blame down ballot candidates, blame whomever and whatever you want.

"The Fault, Dear Brutus, lies not in our stars, but in ourselves."

November 13, 2012 at 1:12 a.m.
fairmon said...

Join Obama and blame Bush, seems to work pretty good.

November 13, 2012 at 3:36 a.m.
ricardo said...

Dick Cheney is a vampire. He casts no reflection.

November 13, 2012 at 5:28 a.m.
ricardo said...

In 2008, the GOP nominated moderate John McCain and lost and got pummelled by Barack Obama. Four years later in 2012, they nominate another moderate Mitt Romney and get hammered again. In 2016, they need to change course and nominate an extremely radical right wingnut.

November 13, 2012 at 5:39 a.m.
jesse said...

Save this one clay,in 4 years you can put DEM on the hammer and rerun it!

November 13, 2012 at 6:02 a.m.
fairmon said...

The libertarian party needs the funding to get their platform and principles known so they can win over the two parties that are now controlled by power brokers. A deal on revenue and cost will be in a way both parties minimize political damage while extracting more revenue from tax payers at all levels with only minimal deficit reduction and debt possibly rising at only a slightly lower rate.

The stock markets are indicating a deepening recession while some manipulated indicators suggest slow growth. Increased demand for food, clothing, staples and discretionary buying have more of a positive impact on China's and other importing country economies than on the American economy.

CHECK YOUR PURCHASES TO SEE WHERE THEY ARE MADE, NOT WHERE THEY ARE ASSEMBLED OR WHO THEY ARE DISTRIBUTED BY! Buying a Ford, GM or Chrysler product? Know where it was manufactured although a high percent of the parts are imported. Individuals have more control of the economy than any president or congress. Did you notice at the polls the number of imported vehicles versus American. Check out the parking lot on your next shopping trip. Some manufacture in the U.S. and some Americans do have jobs as a result but all company profits are returned to the country of the owner. Check food and clothing purchases. Importers dominate clothing, food, transportation and shelter furnishings purchases in America and we wonder why our economy is weak......give me a break.

November 13, 2012 at 6:26 a.m.
MTJohn said...

harp3339 said..."The libertarian party needs the funding to get their platform and principles known so they can win over the two parties that are now controlled by power brokers."

Your logic is internally inconsistent, Harp. Your post suggests establishing a new class of power brokers. Power corrupts - absolute power corrupts absolutely. What makes you think that the new class would be any different than the old?

harp3339 said..."Check food and clothing purchases. Importers dominate clothing, food, transportation and shelter furnishings purchases in America and we wonder why our economy is weak......give me a break."

Right. But, that is the consequence of free-market economics, not the fault of "government". Adopt the Libertarian platform and you would get more of the same, i.e. more and more wealth accumulating among fewer and fewer individuals accomplished through the leveling of the global economy.

November 13, 2012 at 6:34 a.m.
timbo said...

Another stupid cartoon. Obama was elected because of minority racism. If he was white Romney would have beat Obama like a government mule. Democrats always play the race card. Minorities have too many cultural problems too be preaching to republicans. A wise thing to do would be to emulate a successful culture. Instead of making excuses.

The sad thing is that the Rino dominated GOP is falling for this crap. The domination of conservatives in 2010 and the failure of two liberal candidates in 8 years doesn't seem enough to convince this idiots that more conservative is the way to go. You can't out liberal and out-pander the democrats.

This advice you are getting from your enemy the democrats is only meant to manipulate republicans. Do you honestly think they are trying help us beat them?

November 13, 2012 at 7:19 a.m.
dude_abides said...

Shadoobie... shattered, shattered.

LOL... "Just Busted"

November 13, 2012 at 7:25 a.m.
dude_abides said...

Yes, timbo, yes! Hard right turn! Yank that freaking wheel! That's not a ditch, it's a new way forward, the GOP-HOV lane!

No, wait, bypass the cities completely!

November 13, 2012 at 7:30 a.m.
timbo said...

dude......now that was good advice......thanks

November 13, 2012 at 7:41 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

A better toon would have labeled the hammer "american electorate"

November 13, 2012 at 7:53 a.m.
joneses said...

So now UPS is discriminating against groups that adhere to their moral values. The funny thing is when I said I am laying off 38 people whose political beliefs I felt were not healthy for my business I was ridiculed. This is another excellent example of liberal hypocrisy.

UPS Ends Grants To Boy Scouts Over Discrimination The UPS Foundation says it will no longer give grants to the Boy Scouts of America as long as the group excludes gays and lesbians from being scouts or scout leaders.

The philanthropic arm of the Atlanta-based shipping giant made the change Thursday after an online petition protesting the foundation's annual grants to the Boy Scouts attracted more than 80,000 signatures. The UPS Foundation gave $150,000 to the Boy Scouts in 2010. It wasn't clear how much they gave the group last year. As of today I will suspend all business with UPS.

UPS spokeswoman Kristen Petrella says groups applying for the grants will have to adhere to the same standards UPS does. The company says it does not discriminate against anyone based on race, religion, disability or sexual orientation.

The UPS Foundation distributed $45.3 million in grants last year.

November 13, 2012 at 8:04 a.m.
bluesky said...

Joneses, if some one is doing their job correctly and you fire them for polical beliefs I guess this cartoon is for you.

November 13, 2012 at 8:20 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

The shattered reflection was the image of religious whack-jobs like Akin, Bachman, Palin, and Mourdock, and the Republican Inquisition "God and Jesus" uber-fundies who scared the bejesus out of otherwise political conservatives and moderates.

Anxious to defend Israel, ready to bomb Iran, can't wait to invade Syria, throw Palestinians and non-Christians out of Jerusalem, and make Old Testament Christianity the law in America.

Killing for the Glory of Gawd and Jebus.

November 13, 2012 at 8:28 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Joneses, UPS is not discriminating against the BSA. They are refusing to give grants to the BSA because the BSA discriminates. They would tell the KKK no too. What you claimed you would do was discriminate against your own employees for their political views, which they have a right to. Although you as an employer have the "right" under some circumstances to fire people, it is laughable that you would take the high road against UPS on this issue. The BSA does not have the "right" to grant money.

BTW, discriminating against people for their sexual orientation is not "moral".

November 13, 2012 at 8:29 a.m.
ibshame said...

WTH?? It'S beginning to look like not only does the GOP need some SELF-REFLECTION but others need to start doing some as well. What is going on with all of this crap and where is it leading? Now the TOP COMMANDER IN AFGHANISTAN IS UNDER INVESTIGATION.

http://news.msn.com/politics/general-investigated-for-emails-with-petraeus-friend

Gen. John Allen is under investigation for allegedly sending inappropriate messages to a woman linked to the Petraeus scandal.

ABOARD A U.S. MILITARY AIRCRAFT - The top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, General John Allen, is under investigation for alleged inappropriate communication with a woman at the center of the scandal involving former CIA Director David Petraeus, a senior U.S. defense official said on Tuesday.

The revelation threatens to fell another of the U.S. military's biggest names and suggests that the scandal involving Petraeus - a retired four-star general who had Allen's job in Afghanistan before moving to the CIA last year - could expand.

The U.S. official said the FBI uncovered between 20,000 and 30,000 pages of communications - mostly emails spanning from 2010 to 2012 - between Allen and Jill Kelley, who has been identified as a longtime friend of the Petraeus family and a Tampa, Florida, volunteer social liaison with military families at MacDill Air Force Base.

It was Kelley's complaints about harassing emails from the woman with whom Petraeus had had an affair, Paula Broadwell, that prompted an FBI investigation that ultimately disclosed Petraeus' involvement with Broadwell. Petraeus resigned from the CIA post on Friday.

November 13, 2012 at 8:33 a.m.
lightkeeper said...

I don't know about this toon Clay...Usually lying lunatic in denial blood and money sucking from the poor and middle class vampires don't cast a reflection anyway, and when something that ugly does look into a mirror, it doesn't need a hammer, it'll crack on its on. Which it did

November 13, 2012 at 8:38 a.m.
joneses said...

And UPS has the right to discriminate against those who they do not agree with just like me. It is hypocrisy no matter how you look at it. I am discriminating against those that I find unhealthy for my business just like UPS is discriminating against those they do not agree with. What you are doing ike is justifying hypocrisy. But what would I expect from someone who supports obastard to continue his quest to destroy America? You are that stupid aren't you francis?

bluesky,

They cannot do their job correctly if they are voting against what is good for the business that employees them. I found that these obastard supporters are always pissing and moaning about their pay more than others who did not support obastard. Basically most I am letting go happen to support obastard as they are not as productive as others. I am letting go people who did not support obastard as well that are poor performers. I did tell them because of the impending Obama regulations directed at my company I am forced to let them go. Maybe they will think about which ideology benefits them more the next time.

Dayton,

It is amazing you atheist are so intimidated by something you do not believe exist. I also find it amazing fools like you never say anything good about obastard. I do not know if Romney would have done well but I do know obastard lied about 67% of the promises he made according to NPR which would not exist without a government handout. I also know obastard never has said what he wants to change America to or where he wants to move the country to and here you, the fool that you are, are attacking Sarah Palin. You are an idiot.

I have to get back to work so I am going to let you miserable liberals continue to prove to us your lack of intelligence and how much hate and intolerance you have towards others. You and all the obastard supporters are stupid and/or pathetic.

Have fun in your misery.

November 13, 2012 at 8:51 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

"So a rogue, shirtless-photo-sending FBI agent just happened to stumble into extramarital affair that took down director of the CIA. Got it."

Big Brother is here, foks, Way here.

November 13, 2012 at 8:55 a.m.
alprova said...

Harp3339 wrote: "The libertarian party needs the funding to get their platform and principles known so they can win over the two parties that are now controlled by power brokers."

Harp, I really hate to break it to you, but it's going to take much more than money to convince people to vote Libertarian.

Libertarians have been around a long time, and they have been unable to change people's minds to embrace ideals that are near and dear to you and other Libertarians, and well...it's never going to happen.

November 13, 2012 at 9:05 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Francis/joneses: You are confusing rights and privilege. UPS did not grant "privilege" to BSA because they denied others privilege. Both made their choice.

Saying employees that vote Democrat are less productive? That's a real stretch. Hope employment laws are such that you would have to prove that to avoid a lawsuit. Bet you cannot.

Funny that you say "have fun in your misery" when you seem to be the most miserable poster here. Is there anything you get joy out of? Anything at all? Burning crosses in people's yards perhaps?

November 13, 2012 at 9:06 a.m.
Leaf said...

Pithy. Excellent cartoon, really sums up the mindset of the true believers.

November 13, 2012 at 9:09 a.m.
Walden said...

In other news, Obummer is considering John Kerry for SecDef. "I'm horseface, and I'm reporting for duty! By the way, did I mention I served in Vietnam?"

November 13, 2012 at 9:11 a.m.
fairmon said...

MTJ said...

Right. But, that is the consequence of free-market economics, not the fault of "government". Adopt the Libertarian platform and you would get more of the same, i.e. more and more wealth accumulating among fewer and fewer individuals accomplished through the leveling of the global economy.

Your contention that we have a free market economy yielding the results is not accurate. It is not a free market when government intervenes, interferes and selects winners and losers using various tools of manipulation. Your view of the libertarian principles and likely results differ from mine which is not a surprise. More people in wealth creating jobs equals more wealthy people instead of trying to reduce the wealth of a few.

One of the most beneficial libertarian agenda items to those needing assistance more would be the elimination of all taxes other than a retail consumption tax as seen in HR25 and SB13 which provides a rebate therefore a reduced percent of taxes combined with lower cost goods and services for those with lower incomes. It is a tax on spending not on income which makes cap gains, dividends, black market money, illegal gains etc. a non issue concerning taxes. One congressman said he could not support it because congress could not manipulate it.

It will not likely pass since the majority of people, especially those that benefit most, will never be able to understand it so the wealthy and politicians that oppose it will frighten them to the point they will not support it.

November 13, 2012 at 9:17 a.m.

AndrewLohr, it's hard to reflect on something when somebody is always trying to distort the image.

Seriously, Benghazi will never be the scandal you want it to be, Solyndra was an honest company taken down by Chinese dumping of solar panels (which you are strangely silent on), you're confusing President Obama's misguided optimism with an actual failure of the Stimulus, the Constitution DOES give Congress the authority it needs, as even the Supreme Court had to admit, abortion is no more murder than a miscarriage, the difference between voting and other things (which don't all require ID, that's only the dream of certain authoritarian types like you), is that voting is a right of the citizenry, and the government must be kept from unfairly denying it, which was the intent of all those Republican attempts, and you know where those bureaucrats are? At your insurance company.

You want us to repent, when you're burying yourself in lies and self-deception? Maybe you ought to to think about your conduct and repent.

harp3339, recognizing the faults of Bush instead of taking him as some sort of Cassandra would be an important first step by the Republican party, but I think I'll pass on checking out the VIN numbers of cars in the lot.

timbo, keep playing that "race card" card. I'm actually pretty sure you and joneses are around to make conservatives and Republicans here look bad.

November 13, 2012 at 9:17 a.m.
charivara said...

Joneses, are you sure President Obama (you should learn how to spell his name) didn't lie about 68% of his promises, or could it have been only 63%? But the best part of your always hilarious posts is the sequence "You and all the obastard supporters are stupid and/or pathetic." Written right after you claim "you miserable liberals continue to prove to us your lack of intelligence and how much hate and intolerance you have towards others." You should have looked into that mirror before you broke it. Better still, go see a shrink and ask her what "projection" means.

November 13, 2012 at 9:18 a.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said....

Libertarians have been around a long time, and they have been unable to change people's minds to embrace ideals that are near and dear to you and other Libertarians, and well...it's never going to happen.

Unfortunately you may be right. However, one never knows. Once the devastation of the PPAHCA, which has only begun, is complete people may be receptive to a radical change.

November 13, 2012 at 9:22 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

charivara: Or check with easy123. Projection is his favorite word.

November 13, 2012 at 9:27 a.m.
alprova said...

Timbo wrote: "Another stupid cartoon. Obama was elected because of minority racism. If he was white Romney would have beat Obama like a government mule."

Denial, denial, denial. So now it's got to be reverse racism that was behind Obama's win?

"Democrats always play the race card."

What would you call what you just typed up there? It's totally beyond your level of comprehension to understand that the majority of people in this nation believed that Barack Obama was the better man for the job.

"minorities have too many cultural problems too be preaching to republicans. A wise thing to do would be to emulate a successful culture. Instead of making excuses."

Timbo, you need to wrap your brain around the simple fact that this country does not belong just to white people any more. Your version of what constitutes a "successful culture" and those of others are far apart.

"The sad thing is that the Rino dominated GOP is falling for this crap. The domination of conservatives in 2010 and the failure of two liberal candidates in 8 years doesn't seem enough to convince this idiots that more conservative is the way to go. You can't out liberal and out-pander the democrats."

You just don't get it. Conservatives won in 2010 because for a brief moment, they abandoned conservative talking points and promised action on the debt, jobs, and reforming Gov't.

When awarded the opportunity to deliver the goods, what happened is a procession of bills ensued that were aimed at outlawing abortion, cutting social entitlements, and rubber stamping more wasteful spending. Gridlock has come to define the Republican Party.

"This advice you are getting from your enemy the democrats is only meant to manipulate republicans. Do you honestly think they are trying help us beat them?"

Conservative Republicans were weeded out during the primary process. Mainstream Republicans don't vote for Neo-Cons. If Neo-Cons believe they have what it takes to be elected, then the time has come for them to stop attempting to take over the Republican Party, and go it alone by creating a political party all their own.

Then you will see for yourself that America is not ready to be dominated by Conservative agendas.

November 13, 2012 at 9:28 a.m.
lightkeeper said...

Joneses did look into the mirrow before his uglyness broke it, thats why he can't spell Obama right!

November 13, 2012 at 9:29 a.m.
fairmon said...

MTJ said...

I think I'll pass on checking out the VIN numbers of cars in the lot.

If it is not a Ford, GM or Chrysler product it is made by a foreign owned company if not an import. No VIN number needs to be checked. If purcahsing the dealership can provide the needed information unless you you see no problem with purchasing an imported vehicle.

I assume you see no problem with the trade imbalance and the flow of wealth from the U.S. It is evident most people see no problem if the dollar ceases being the world currency.

November 13, 2012 at 9:30 a.m.
hambone said...

So, joneses is laying off 38 of his make-believe employees from his make-believe business because of his make-believe opinion that they are bad for his make-believe profits.

November 13, 2012 at 9:36 a.m.
conservative said...

Liberalism: Moochers Electing Looters to Steal from Producers

November 13, 2012 at 9:45 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

JonRoss said...

"I heard Obama is considering Kathlene Sebelius as head of the Roman Catholic Church in North America. Free birth control will be offered at the alter along with the blood and the flesh."

"Cannibals for Christ?" Wonder why intelligent people don't believe such fairy-tales as literal transubstantiation?

"Hi, honey, instead of steak for supper, we're having Jesus medium rare and Christ on a cracker. Yum, yum!"

Hey Little JonRossy, what names do you think your creditors called you when you declared bankruptcy?

November 13, 2012 at 9:45 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

daytonsdarwin said "Cannibals for Christ?" Wonder why intelligent people don't believe such fairy-tales as literal transubstantiation?

Funny, when liberals run out of ideas, they attack religion.

November 13, 2012 at 9:55 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

So how does one spell the president's name ? A few choices would be Obastard (my favorite), Barack Assange Obama, Barack Hussien Benghazi, Birthcontrol Barry, Elmos Up You Buttobama, Barack Insane Obama, Barack Napoleon Obamapart, I Won and You Lost O'arsehole, Zeig Heil Barry, Pope Sebelius.

Any more suggestions ?

How about taking your juvenile suggestions to the bathroom wall instead?

November 13, 2012 at 10:12 a.m.
MTJohn said...

Harp - I agree that we have a not-so-free-market economy. But, since Ronald Reagan, we have seen what happens when the market moves from regulated to unregulated. With the lack of regulation, our economy has become more controlled by fewer people. Follow that trajectory down the libertarian path and we will end up with a market that is "free" for the very few who are wealthy enough and powerful enough to control it for their own selfish purpose and a market that is decidedly not free for everyone else. Out sourcing, trade imbalances etc. etc. are NOT the consequence of government. They are the product of oligarchs and their selfish pursuits.

By the way, I did not invite you to check VIN numbers. But, even vehicles that are assembled in this country are, at least in part, manufactured in other countries. Have you tried to use an English wrench on a "made in America" recently?

November 13, 2012 at 10:12 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Funny, when liberals run out of ideas, they attack religion.

Oh, we have plenty of ideas. But attacking religion is so fun! Especially when its defenders are folks like AndrewLohr, KenOrr and conservative. If extreme religion produced sensible people it wouldn't be so amusing.

November 13, 2012 at 10:18 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Jack_Dennis said...

"daytonsdarwin said "Cannibals for Christ?" Wonder why intelligent people don't believe such fairy-tales as literal transubstantiation?

Funny, when liberals run out of ideas, they attack religion."

I attack stupidity, superstition, and ignorance. If religious beliefs fall into those categories,I go for it. If politicians of any stripe promote such, I go after them. So far, the religious fascists and inquisitors in the republican party stand out for sheer stupidity and are dangerous to personal liberties.

Not believing in fairy-tales, invisible Sky Daddies, and demons and spooks doesn't make me a liberal.

It does mean I prefer reason and science to ignorance.

November 13, 2012 at 10:19 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Lu: What is EXTREME religion?

November 13, 2012 at 10:20 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Religion that demands its followers deny reality. Religion that demands that its followers convert non-believers by any means (including condemning them to "hell") Religion that frightens little children with false tales of demons and monsters. Religion whose leaders demand a standard of behavior that they routinely violate. Religion that values unquestioning loyalty over human inquisitiveness. Religion that relies on fear to keep followers. Religion that divides people into "us" and "them".

November 13, 2012 at 10:28 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Whatever, JonRoss-your typical nonsense post.

November 13, 2012 at 10:36 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Funny Lu. I know plenty of religious people. Haven't seen one like you describe. Maybe you see what you want to see. You need to get a narrower brush.

November 13, 2012 at 10:43 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Romney got not a single vote in 59 Philadelphia districts? Not even by mistake? Come on.

Clearly not Romney territory. But not one? Is there not an even-keeled Dem out there that will say that this looks a bit bogus? Hello?

November 13, 2012 at 10:46 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Bennett is one boring sob. The ultimate forum troll presiding over a following of liberal forum trolls.

Texas now has over 67,000 signature at whitehouse.gov to allow a peaceful withdrawal from the Union.

Tennessee is over 18,000 signatures and will almost certainly reach the 25,000 signature threshold today.

Will Obama ignore his petition site when he has 20 states that have doubled or tripled the petition threshold?

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-tennessee-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/7xsNwkJ8 :)

November 13, 2012 at 10:47 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Hmmm. . . I don’t think there is a mystery here. . . The Republicans have made it clear who they are. . . For anyone who has forgotten, Zasloff has a handy little ID list:

They believe that Medicare should be turned into an (inadequate) voucher, with the savings going to tax cuts for the wealthy.

They believe that abortion should be banned in all cases, including rape.

They believe in severely cutting Medicaid and Food Stamps, and for that matter destroying the EPA and shrinking the federal government to the size of a bathtub.

They believe that America is being overrun with immigrants from cultures that they do not like, and want to maintain America as a predominantly white country.

They believe that gays and lesbians do not deserve equal rights.

They believe that climate change is a hoax, and that most public lands should be privatized for private mineral exploitation.

They believe in torture.

They believe that unions should be destroyed.

http://www.samefacts.com/2012/11/politics-and-leadership/should-the-republican-party-move-to-the-center/

November 13, 2012 at 10:51 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

I don't approve of the secession business. But I do think the protest angle is funny as hell.

November 13, 2012 at 10:52 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

JonRoss-extreme (fundamentalist) religion produces people like conservative, AndrewLohr and Ken Orr. Funny, I don't see you defending them here. I don't hate anyone, but I have a real problem with people thinking that these groups are somehow protected from criticism. They deserve it, and I will call them on their craziness any chance I get. They are destructive and vile, whether they are christian, muslim, jew or any other extremist group. Most of the world's problems can be traced back to them.

BRP, I think that those that sign such a petition are at best crybabies and at worst, traitors. The Democrats won the election because the GOP screwed up. How they screwed up seems to be up for discussion, but they screwed up. The election and the country were not stolen from them. To suggest pulling out of the US is treasonous. If they don't like living here they should leave. If they do, then they should work within their party for a better outcome next time. If we liberals survived 8 years of Bush/Cheney, conservatives will survive 8 years of Obama. They should pull up their big boy and big girl pants and get to work.

November 13, 2012 at 10:55 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

laurel: Your post must be a record for lies. You cannot possibly be that gullible.

November 13, 2012 at 10:56 a.m.
Walden said...

I think all this secession talk is just that, talk. Dangerous talk though. Let's never forget the nightmare our country endured in the 1860's, and the sacrifice that so many of our forefathers made in the cause of secession and subsequent reunification of our great nation. Barack Obama is a terrible president, but our Union must (and will) prevail.

November 13, 2012 at 11:03 a.m.
alprova said...

JonRoss wrote: "Frum is not a conservative and CNN is not a legitimate source of information and news."

David Frum most certainly is a conservative...just not your kind of conservative. He's critical of the Neo-Con agenda, Fox News, and thew Republican strategies surrounding issues like health care.

As to your ignorant comment that CNN "is not a legitimate source of information and news," you may find disagreement with CNN, but the fact of the matters is that they are recognized worldwide for their news coverage, have won many awards for their reporting, and are known for retaining a steady viewership.

http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/cnn-awards/

November 13, 2012 at 11:06 a.m.
alprova said...

Hey JonRoss, I just did a search to see if Fox News has ever won any journalism awards for its news. How many journalism awards has Fox News ever won?

Zero....zip....nada....none.

I'll stick with CNN

November 13, 2012 at 11:10 a.m.
cmon_man said...

alprova I have found it pointless to attempt to discuss anything reasonably with Jim Jones, Tim Timbow, and many other brick walls in here... now we can add Ross Vegas to that list it seems

November 13, 2012 at 11:14 a.m.
cmon_man said...

Red Ross... ha ha ha

November 13, 2012 at 11:15 a.m.
alprova said...

I know all about the brick walls in here. It's still fun and productive exposing them for the miscreants they all are.

November 13, 2012 at 11:17 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

"Jack_Dennis said: "Your post must be a record for lies. You cannot possibly be that gullible."

A record for lies? Have you been listening to some of these Republican leaders, Jack? I have so specifically which belief on Zasloff’s handy little Republican ID list do you consider a lie?

They believe that Medicare should be turned into an (inadequate) voucher, with the savings going to tax cuts for the wealthy.

They believe that abortion should be banned in all cases, including rape.

They believe in severely cutting Medicaid and Food Stamps, and for that matter destroying the EPA and shrinking the federal government to the size of a bathtub.

They believe that America is being overrun with immigrants from cultures that they do not like, and want to maintain America as a predominantly white country.

They believe that gays and lesbians do not deserve equal rights.

They believe that climate change is a hoax, and that most public lands should be privatized for private mineral exploitation.

They believe in torture.

They believe that unions should be destroyed.

http://www.samefacts.com/2012/11/politics-and-leadership/should-the-republican-party-move-to-the-center/

November 13, 2012 at 11:28 a.m.
rolando said...

There's still hope.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/nov/12/petitions-to-secede-are-filed-for-23-states-since-/

Never thought I would EVER hope for a Constitutional Convention, but what the hell, we don't have a constitution now.

November 13, 2012 at 11:59 a.m.
rolando said...

Here's a cite to another cartoonist:

http://townhall.com/political-cartoons/2012/11/13/105024

And a comment from FaceBook...

"Congratulations to the Democrats and Young People! You now own it. The next terrorist attack you own it. Can't get a job after graduation, you own it. Sky rocketing energy prices due to Obama's EPA shutting down the energy producing states, you own it. A nuclear Iran, you own it. Bowing to the Soviet Union, you own it. Another severe recession, you own it. A volatile border with Mexico, you own it. Trouble getting good health care, you own it. Higher heath insurance costs and health care costs, you own it. No budget, you own it. Our allies mistrust, you own it. Another trillion of debt, you own it. More Benghazi situations, you own it. No one willing to join the military, you own it. Trouble getting to loan to buy a home, you own it. More dependency on food stamps, you own it. Trouble finding good employment, you own it. Several part time jobs instead of a good job, you own it. A World Government, you own it. The UN governing the United States instead of ourselves, you own it. A Senate that will not bring any legislation to the table rather it is "Dead on Arrival", you own it. China controlling our world trade trampling all over us, you own it. Loss of our freedoms as we have known it in the past, you own it. A dictatorship instead of a democracy that follows the Constitution, you own it. Less take home pay and higher living costs, you own it. Driving a car that looks like a toy, you own it. More government corruption and lies, you own it. More toleration of extreme and fanatical Islamists, you own it. Terrorist attacks called work place incidents, you own it. Your revenge instead of love of country, you own it. President George Bush is out of it now, and there is not another good man for you to vilify and lie about. In a way I am relieved that another good man will not be blamed when it was impossible to clean up this mess you voted for. Have a good 4 years.

"God bless the United States."

November 13, 2012 at 12:02 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Tin foil hat adjustment on aisle 3, STAT!

November 13, 2012 at 12:05 p.m.
cmon_man said...

“Anyone who wants their state to secede from the union is someone whose brain has already seceded from their body,” said John Andrews, director of the conservative Centennial Institute at Colorado Christian University.

per the article you referred to Rolandough

November 13, 2012 at 12:07 p.m.

Harp3339, that's yet again you used the wrong name to talk to me.

I'm not MTJohn, tyvm.

And the reason I'd have to check the VIN number is to know where a vehicle was actually produced. Nameplates mean next to nothing, Ford, GM and Chrysler are companies with a global presence, both for sales and production, and even ownership.

And actually, I want trade to be balanced, whereas you seem to be favoring a flow of wealth in, but none out? That sort of attitude is unhealthy.

November 13, 2012 at 12:21 p.m.

BigRidgePatriot, you do know that they take their time to respond right?

You aren't going to like being told no. Or the reasons.

But you can always leave.

November 13, 2012 at 12:23 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

JonRoss, your tin foil hat needs adjustment as well. The middle of the country does not hold exclusive rights to patriotism; in fact, secession is about as anti-American as you can get. Obama is not perfect, but he is not the anti-Christ. It is time for all of us to work together to solve this country's problems, something that was put on hold so the GOP could focus on keeping Obama to one term.

Remember, the "red" states who voted GOP are the states that take in more government benefits than they pay out in taxes. Something is not connecting here.

November 13, 2012 at 12:23 p.m.
miraweb said...

Now it is getting into Alice's Wonderland.

The Romney campaign is now blaming Fox News for giving them bad information.

It is the first thing they might actually be right about; Fox News gives everyone bad information.

Roger Ailes has basically told them to shove off - he has entertainment programming and ratings to tend to. Facts just aren't his job.

http://www.npr.org/2012/11/12/164987802/conservative-media-caught-in-the-blame-game

November 13, 2012 at 12:31 p.m.
rolando said...

"Tin foil hat adjustment on aisle 3, STAT!"

lkeithlu, you are completely "in role"; already in denial. You, took, nuggies.

So...who ya gonna [blame]?"

November 13, 2012 at 12:34 p.m.
miraweb said...

Well - the petitions are not a legal mechanism. The only promise made by the White House is:

White House staff will review it, ensure it’s sent to the appropriate policy experts, and issue an official response.

November 13, 2012 at 12:35 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

BigRidgePatriot said: "Texas now has over 67,000 signature at whitehouse.gov to allow a peaceful withdrawal from the Union.Tennessee is over 18,000 signatures and will almost certainly reach the 25,000 signature threshold today."

I'm curious, BigRidgePatriot. Are you requiring these people to show the proper Voter ID?

November 13, 2012 at 12:39 p.m.
rolando said...

As expected, miraweb...but as stated in the cite, it opens the door to a powerful -- and dangerous -- tool; the Constitutional Convention. We don't have a lot to lose there, though, since we don't have much of a constitution left anyway.

I say we let the 47% live in what's left...with one surprising state excepted [on the list of petitioners], Oregon.

November 13, 2012 at 12:39 p.m.
miraweb said...

Texas Governor Perry is trying to calm down Texas. It is pretty easy to see why when you look at the numbers:

Texas State Budget $92 Billion

Federal Contribution $42.5 Billion


Secession: Putting the Taxes in Texas!


Double or nothing, boys?

http://www.factcheck.org/2011/09/did-perry-double-texas-budget/

November 13, 2012 at 12:41 p.m.
rolando said...

It's not an election, mountainlaurel, as I am sure you are aware...not yet, anyway. Wait until the UN Gun Control Act [by whatever name] is imposed on us. That will certainly help. Seen the recent gun sales?

November 13, 2012 at 12:43 p.m.
rolando said...

You forget how much of that federal $42 Billion "gift" comes from Texas to begin with, miraweb. Forty-two and then some goes down the fed rathole. Without the fed sucking its money, Texas [and NASA, et al] will do just fine. Same thing with most of the other petitioning states

November 13, 2012 at 12:47 p.m.
miraweb said...

A new petition just went up. Seems like some Texans aren't in a big hurry to run away from their problems.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-negate-any-request-state-texas-withdraw-united-state-america/trN1k9DF

November 13, 2012 at 12:49 p.m.
miraweb said...

And now Austin, Texas has its own petition to let the rest of us know they are really the best of Texas:

Austin Texas continues to suffer difficulties stemming from the lack of civil, religious, and political freedoms imposed upon the city by less liberally minded Texans.

It is entirely feasible for Austin to operate as its own state, within the United States, in the event that Texas is successful in the current bid to secede. It is important for Austin to remain in the union as to do so would protect it's citizens' standard of living and re-secure their rights and liberties in accordance with the original ideas and beliefs of our founding fathers.

We would also like to annex Dublin Texas, Lockhart Texas, & Shiner Texas.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-city-austin-texas-withdraw-state-texas-remain-part-united-states/TDD212hQ?utm_source=wh.gov&utm_medium=shorturl&utm_campaign=shorturl

November 13, 2012 at 12:54 p.m.
rolando said...

"...secession is about as anti-American as you can get."

No, lkeithlu, it is as American as you can get. The Progressives are the ones who have drifted to Europe and are returning down the path to serfdom. We threw that out a couple hundred years ago -- highly successful years, I might add.

November 13, 2012 at 12:55 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Rolando said: “It's not an election, mountainlaurel, as I am sure you are aware...not yet, anyway.”

But without proper Voter ID how do you and BRP know if these people are actually citizens of those states, Rolando? What if these people are illegal aliens trying to take over your states? Indeed, I thought Republicans were concerned about things like proper Voter ID.

November 13, 2012 at 12:59 p.m.
miraweb said...

One other small problem - Texas legally gave the Federal Government a lot of important properties when they became a state.


Second, said state when admitted into the Union, after ceding to the United States all public edifices, fortifications, barracks, ports and harbors, navy and navy yards, docks, magazines and armaments, and all other means pertaining to the public defense, belonging to the said Republic of Texas, shall retain funds, debts, taxes and dues of every kind which may belong to, or be due and owing to the said Republic; and shall also retain all the vacant and unappropriated lands lying within its limits, to be applied to the payment of the debts and liabilities of said Republic of Texas, and the residue of said lands.


We own outright the coast, the harbors, the public buildings, and all the military bases.

Apparently, Texas signed over its guns, too - but frankly, guys, we don't want your guns. Never have. Never will.

https://www.tsl.state.tx.us/ref/abouttx/annexation/4july1845.html

November 13, 2012 at 1:01 p.m.
ibshame said...

Some of these extreme right wing nuts are just plain stupid and ignorant. Any attempt to overthrow the legitimate government of the United States can be construed as TREASON. No such power exists for any state. The issue was settled with the outcome of the Civil War. The South got their azzes kicked by the Union.

So do all of these IGNORANT Yahoos think the Federal Government is going to sit quietly by while they decide to leave the Union. This is the kind of ignorance that gives the South such a bad name. The secessionists should just stick to their reenactments of the Civil War. That's about as close as they are going to come to a repeat performance.

In fact, if the FBI is going to be reading the emails of the Head of the CIA then I would strongly suggest they start reading the emails of the lunatics who have started this bullsh*t. Might as well start rounding them up because they are subversives who represent danger to the United States.

TREASON IS THE ONLY CRIME SPECIFICALLY DEFINED IN THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION IN ARTICLE THREE.

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

The Congress shall have power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.

November 13, 2012 at 1:10 p.m.
cmon_man said...

yeah rolandough secession is about as American as you can get... that's why Abe Lincoln, a Republican, supported it so whole heartedly

November 13, 2012 at 1:13 p.m.
miraweb said...

Rolando - It depends. Are you folks ready to start paying your own way on Social Security, Medicare, and veteran's benefits?

How much Federal taxes subsidize Texas varies with the year. Most years Texas is in the red. There have been a few years where Texas paid in slightly more than it got back.

In 2009 Texans paid in $163 billion and got back $224 billion.

So - triple, or nothing, boys?

http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2011/apr/22/rachel-maddow/msnbc-host-rachel-maddow-says-texas-routinely-rece/

November 13, 2012 at 1:15 p.m.
miraweb said...

I think I know why they call them "Red" states, now. Also might explain why so many of the signatures on the Texas petition are not from Texas.

:-)

November 13, 2012 at 1:17 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Take all the religious fundamentalists of all persuasions, including Scientologists, Christian Nationalists, Zionists, Muslim fundamentalists, and the rest of the orthodox mouth breathers, and give them an uninhabited island in the South Seas.

Within three months, they will have killed each other, the vipers, crocs, and buzzards will have picked their bones clean, and the rest of the world can get down to solving problems without the bs of religious fantasy, superstition, and ignorance.

That's secession I can believe in.

November 13, 2012 at 1:29 p.m.
jesse said...

Daytonsdarwin,include all TRUE BELIEVERS of any ilk and i will get on board! True believers will bring us down in the end! Hide bound,tunnel vision,my way or die! It's got us where we are and WILL finish us off in the end!! All you have to do is read the posts on here to realize we are in DEEP sh!T!

November 13, 2012 at 1:40 p.m.
ibshame said...

"JonRoss said... As someone said "the Constitution is not a suicide pact".

It may not be a suicide pact but it damn sure is the LAW OF THIS LAND AND ANYONE WHO THINKS THEY CAN SIGN A PETITION AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO JUST SIT QUIETLY BY WHILE THEY ATTEMPT AN OVERTHROW IS AN IDIOT WHO HAS A DEATH WISH.

Like I said earlier if the FBI can access the email account of the Head of the CIA then they should start accessing the accounts of the idiots behind this so-called secessionist movement. Who knows they could be in cahoots with Al Qaeda or some other foreign enemy intent on doing the U.S. harm.( How's that for justification for snooping. Right out of the wingnut playbook.)

November 13, 2012 at 1:44 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

If the majority of leftist posters on here are representative of the U.S., this nation is lost.

November 13, 2012 at 1:57 p.m.
ibshame said...

"JonRoss said... ibshat you understand ! And I am convinced that Obama will butcher as many people he feels he needs to in pursuit of his Progressive dictatorship."

What I understand is this: There are extremists who are looking for any excuse to start a race war in this country. They have never accepted the fact a Black Man was elected President. Talk of secession is bullsht. But hey if these yahoos want the power and authority of the United States Government breathing down their necks then so be it. Let the chips fall where they may right into their dumbazz racist laps. THERE IS NO STATE THAT WILL BE ALLOWED TO SECEDE FROM THE UNION REGARDLESS OF HOW MANY DUMBAZZES SIGN A BULLSHT PETITION. GOT IT?

November 13, 2012 at 1:59 p.m.
ibshame said...

"Jack_Dennis said... If the majority of leftist posters on here are representative of the U.S., this nation is lost."

As usual words of ignorance. The so-called leftists are not the ones ADVOCATING AND CHEERING THE NUMBER OF IGNORANT YAHOOS WHO HAVE PUT THEIR NAMES ON A PETITION TO SECEDE FROM THE UNION. THE NATION WOULD TRULY BE LOST IF THESE IGNORANT, UNPATRIOTIC YAHOOS HAD A SNOWBALL'S CHANCE IN HE!! OF SUCCEEDING WITH THIS BULLSH*T.

November 13, 2012 at 2:03 p.m.

Poor JonRoss, upset that there's women and people of color, and unions allowed to participate in government, as opposed to just Rich White Guys.

November 13, 2012 at 2:10 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Look for Little JohnnyRoss riding his Big Wheel down Rossville Blvd with his pointy hat and white sheet flapping in the breeze. There's a black man, Latino, or non-white that has succeeded where he's continually failed and he's off to a cross burning.

But Little JohnnyRoss is a good Christian; just ask him. I'd say he has more tattoos than teeth.

November 13, 2012 at 2:14 p.m.
fairmon said...

HWTNB responds with...

And the reason I'd have to check the VIN number is to know where a vehicle was actually produced. Nameplates mean next to nothing, Ford, GM and Chrysler are companies with a global presence, both for sales and production, and even ownership.

True. I tried to say that, when buying the dealer can tell the buyer where it was manufactured. Observing a parking area is like taking a poll, it is a good indicator.

happy also said...

And actually, I want trade to be balanced, whereas you seem to be favoring a flow of wealth in, but none out? That sort of attitude is unhealthy.

I am not sure how you concluded that from what I posted, I have my suspicions. Balanced trade would be a tremendous improvement but won't happen until Americans buy American when they have the option which is dwindling. We are at the lowest level of mfg. and the better jobs provided by mfg. in history. No country with primarily services and a low number of wealth producing businesses has ever done well, all have a divide between the haves and have not. Sound familiar? Why do you think China, India and a few other countries are growing rapidly with an expanding middle class? It is not their tax systems. Their governments avoid putting "unnecessary" obstacles in their way. No doubt they need stronger safety and health regulations which are not obstacles nor are they costly if realistic.

November 13, 2012 at 2:15 p.m.
jesse said...

Al is an EXPERT at blowin his own horn!!

That's about all!

THE ORACLE OF ALLTOONA!!laugh MY azz off!

BTW: tu,you just aren't worth the effort!i got more goin on than trying to give you lessons in civil discourse!

Got more on my plate than spending all my time on here trying to show every body how up on the lowdown i am!

November 13, 2012 at 3:03 p.m.
tderng said...

They believe that Medicare should be turned into an (inadequate) voucher, with the savings going to tax cuts for the wealthy.

liberals believe... that reducing the payment to doctors and hospitals will create better and more accessible healthcare

They believe that abortion should be banned in all cases, including rape.

they believe that every street corner should have an abortion clinic on it and no other option should be given to a pregnant woman

They believe in severely cutting Medicaid and Food Stamps, and for that matter destroying the EPA and shrinking the federal government to the size of a bathtub.

they believe that putting everyone in the country on medicare and food stamps,creating so many regulations that no business can survive,and the government should control everything.

They believe that America is being overrun with immigrants from cultures that they do not like, and want to maintain America as a predominantly white country.

they believe we shouldn't have any borders and should let every Tom,Dick,and Harry come waltzing in and partake of our country without going through any immigration department guidelines.

They believe that gays and lesbians do not deserve equal rights.

They believe that the sanctity of marriage should be abolished

They believe that climate change is a hoax, and that most public lands should be privatized for private mineral exploitation.

they believe that everything that happens in the world (floods,earthquakes,volcanoes,hurricanes) are the fault of mankind,that warming and cooling has never happened before.And that tapping into the resources of our country should be cause for incarceration.

They believe in torture.

they believe that if we play nice that terrorists will divulge all their secrets and no longer want to kill us.

They believe that unions should be destroyed.

they believe that everyone should be forced to join a union whether or not they want to,or at least have their pay docked for union dues.They believe that a vote for/against unionization should not be a private vote(because they couldn't intimidate the dissenters).

November 13, 2012 at 3:06 p.m.
miraweb said...

If Texas has a $60 billion shortfall each year with 7.3 million households that comes out to an additional $8219 per household per year that Texans would have to come up with.

Texas doesn't have many more services it can cut, so austerity and tax increases would both be on the table.

To compare - the number of households in Greece is 5.2 million and the bailout they are seeking is $40 billion U.S. dollars or $7692 per household.

There is some temptation to say to Texas, "Go ahead - Make. My. Day." but this is America, not Greece, and we look out for our people - even Texans.

November 13, 2012 at 3:11 p.m.
fairmon said...

mountainlaurel said...

Republicans believe that Medicare should be turned into an (inadequate) voucher, with the savings going to tax cuts for the wealthy.

Why should medicare exist in any form without taxes and premiums sufficient to pay for it?

They believe that abortion should be banned in all cases, including rape. A woman should have the eight to chose but no tax dollars for it.

They believe in severely cutting Medicaid and Food Stamps, and for that matter destroying the EPA and shrinking the federal government to the size of a bathtub.

I believe in abolishing the federal welfare and entitlement programs. The EPA can be significantly reduced without damage or risk to the environment. Local, state and federal programs need to eliminate redundancy. The size of a bath tub may be a stretch but the size of a crew of aircraft carriers would be in improvement.

They believe that America is being overrun with immigrants from cultures that they do not like, and want to maintain America as a predominantly white country.

The country color is not important but adherence to the constitution is. Managed entry is important. A comprehensive approach to past failures to do so is needed. It is not realistic to consider deporting every person here without proper paper work. Get those working documented and paying taxes. Those not working and unable to find a job would probably appreciate the free transportation home.

They believe that gays and lesbians do not deserve equal rights. Is gay and lesbian not redundant? There is no justification for including them in the civil rights act which makes it illegal to discriminate based on age, race or gender.

They believe that climate change is a hoax, and that most public lands should be privatized for private mineral exploitation.

That sounds more like your opinion of what most republicans think instead of an official position or platform. Taking reasonable action to reduce or eliminate emissions makes sense whether the climate is affected or not due to health implications.

They believe in torture. Depends on what is considered torture.

They believe that unions should be destroyed.

I agree regarding public employee unions since the tax payer is not represented with the not for profit government having little to no incentive to restrain them from agreeing to any demand. Government should have no say about private unions unless they have a detrimental affect on the free flow of commerce.

Suggesting the libertarian plat form to you would onky infuriate you.

November 13, 2012 at 3:26 p.m.
jesse said...

Hey Mira, could we make an exception for Texas? PLEASE!

Letum go,Remember the Alamo!!

November 13, 2012 at 3:29 p.m.
miraweb said...

It isn't always easy being an American. There are sacrifices that we have to make.

We might even have to keep Texas.

November 13, 2012 at 3:36 p.m.
fairmon said...

By all means insist on the federal government borrowing money to send to those states with a short fall. Some states are about to give those nuts in D.C. an excuse to invoke Marshall law which is not as inconceiveable as it sounds. How long can forty seven cents of every federal dollar spent continue?

November 13, 2012 at 3:37 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

tu_quoque said...

daytonsdipsh!t The One Trick Pony:

Do you ever think about anything other than your hatred for religion and its adherents? You exhibit an inordinate fear of all things religious, especially the Christian flavor, far in excess of their capability to transform this country into a theocracy."

There's more to fear from the religious fanatics of all stripes than secularists. Nothing says intolerance and ignorance like religious zealots with power.

Unlike the religious wankers who would have me drowned, burned, sent to an imaginary hell, condemned by clergy, property seized by Popes, and deny my right to make my own moral decisions in my life. I respect the rights of others to believe in gods, saviors, devils, demons, angels, witches, transubstantiation, creationism, young earth, Noah and his ark,and a whole litany of superstitions, fairy-tales, myths as reality and historical facts and general ignorance as long as it affects them.

But when those same people command power and expect me to fall into line with their mumbo-jumbo as truth, science, and historical facts, then I will sound the alarm.

It makes no difference to me whether it's Christian, Jew, Muslim, or any of the other 4000 gods and deities created my man, no religion has any right to force me because of their ignorance, regardless of their "divine" beliefs for doing so.

A slave of religion is just as much a slave as a slave of the state or an individual.

You want to live by Old Testament brutality and outdated tribal laws and customs? Fine, you do so. But do not expect me to stand idly by while you promote that idiocy and claptrap in a scientific and modern world.

There's more to fear from any god's true believers in reveled religion than someone basing their life on science and reason.

And since so many want to claim Christianity as the American Way, it is to those extreme fanatics I address most of my comments.

Fortunately, most professing Christians only profess the faith, but do not actually believe the Biblical contradictions and brutality from that so-called word of a tribal god. I dare say you don't either.

But those who do believe, practice, and preach such garbage are deserving of serious admonition, and keeping a watchful eye on their god-speak, whether it's a Christian John Hagee, Todd Akin or Richard Mourdock, some Zionist rabid rabbi, or idiot Ayatollah.

November 13, 2012 at 3:38 p.m.
miraweb said...

When you have shortfalls of that magnitude the argument about whether to raise taxes or cut services misses the point.

The real question is how much you will have to raise taxes and what services will be pared back.

Anything else is a false choice.

November 13, 2012 at 3:43 p.m.
miraweb said...

Now if we were a corporation we could load all of the nation's debt into Texas and then sell them off. I wonder if you could put Texas on Ebay . . .

Wait! Mitt Romney is still looking for a day job . . .

November 13, 2012 at 3:48 p.m.
tderng said...

daytonsdarwin...According to Wikipedia about 73% of Americans identify themselves as Christians,so,yeah it is the American way.That is not to say that other religions are or should be forbidden.Does it make you angry because you are a minority? Only 15% say they have no religious affiliation.In a 2006 nationwide poll, University of Minnesota researchers found that despite an increasing acceptance of religious diversity, atheists were generally distrusted by other Americans, who trusted them less than Muslims, recent immigrants and other minority groups in "sharing their vision of American society". does that make you angry daytonsdarwin?

November 13, 2012 at 4:13 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

pedophile issues?

You know something we don't, JonRoss?

November 13, 2012 at 4:29 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Peacefully grant the State of Tennessee to withdraw from the United States of America and create its own NEW government.

21,571 signatures for Tennessee

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-tennessee-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/7xsNwkJ8

November 13, 2012 at 4:29 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

I'm sure other states would like the federal money currently flowing to TN for highways, schools, and assistance programs for the poor.

November 13, 2012 at 4:35 p.m.
miraweb said...

Elmo is a puppet.

Kevin Clash, the puppeteer, is already on leave.

November 13, 2012 at 4:37 p.m.

harp3339, what no acknowledgement of your mistake with attribution? C'mon, would it have taken that long to recognize your error? It'd certainly have shown you care.

And no, you can't assume from the name-plate where a car was made, you do have to check the VIN. At a dealer, sure, they print it out, but I was referring to a parking lot as you mentioned. Not that it matters what factory built what, you still don't know where the money goes, and if you think you do, more fool you.

But yes, from your focus on US-centric attitudes and wealth, including the idea that the US dollar be the world currency, you do seem deeply concerned that wealth flows in, but not recognizing the perils of that form of mercantilism.

I didn't conclude, I said it seems, and you're the one who said that you were assuming first, so try to stop with the indignation. It's a pretense that serves you poorly.

As for manufacturing, actually, US manufacturing and productivity is up. But with fewer people working those jobs, almost as if more is being done with some unknown means.

India and China are having a growth to their middle class because they started out so low, but had a huge amount of human capital, which has lead to investments to take advantage of that, and the influx of wealth is helping them. They are basically catching up to the US, for a variety of reasons, they lagged behind, but now the balance is shifting.

And yes, eventually the people of India and China will recognize the wealth imbalances in their countries, and seek to rectify it.

That'll be good for everybody. No country where the chasm between people is too great has ever lasted long.

November 13, 2012 at 4:40 p.m.
miraweb said...

I know this hard for you, JR, especially with all that time watching FOX.

Elmo is not real.

Neither is Megan Kelly.

November 13, 2012 at 4:40 p.m.
GratefulDawg said...

"I am not sure about secession. Probably not good. But if the pro-American middle of the country chooses not to ride Obama's fiscal sleigh ride into hell what is the alternative? --Jon Ross"

Some things in life are bad, they can really make you mad. Other things just make you swear and curse. When you're chewin' on life's gristle, don't grumble give a whistle. And this'll help things turn out for the best.

aaand, Always look on the bright side of life...

November 13, 2012 at 4:40 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

The ties that bind us all together as a nation are being ripped apart by obama.

Support this statement, please. With examples. The only ties that bind us that I see ripping us apart is the extreme hate and lies spewed about this president. It's embarrassing. The rest of the world looks at us, wondering if we have truly lost it.

November 13, 2012 at 4:41 p.m.

Poor JonRoss, doesn't even know what pedophilia really is.

No surprise that he has to make empty and baseless accusations about the promotion of it by Elmo.

November 13, 2012 at 4:45 p.m.
miraweb said...

On and On It Goes -

Monica Lewinsky's crisis manager, Judy Smith, has been hired by Jill Kelley, who now being investigated for "inappropriate emails" from ISAF Afghanistan Commander General John Allen - and who also received a shirtless photo from an FBI agent (now on leave) (that is Jill Kelley did - couldn't say about General Allen.)

Kelley was also the target of threatening emails found on the computer of Biographer Paula Broadwell (among Broadwell's less threatening emails that sparked General Petraeus' resignation.)

It's nice that our senior military ranks have discovered email.

I can't wait for them to get Facebook pages.

November 13, 2012 at 4:56 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Mira: Why do you obsess on Fox News? Do you have blonde envy? I had you pegged as MSNBC all the way.

November 13, 2012 at 4:56 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Nor does he have a clue about the health care efforts (which by the way EVERY president in the last 30 years has said they would put into place) nor does he have any idea what constitutes an American. It is exactly this attitude that lost the election for the GOP. The exclusive claim to patriotism.

The health care act is huge and complicated. I have family in health care that are for parts of it, not for others. It does not give government control; it does require insurance companies to offer coverage to everyone. Any state can enact their own (like MA) but the goal is health care for everyone. Everyone. High risk, unemployed, children, everyone. A great nation like ours should NEVER have people going without basic health care. If you leave it up to insurance companies, they will. If you have a better plan, let's have it.

November 13, 2012 at 4:57 p.m.
miraweb said...

Psst: Megan Kelly is not even a real blonde.

November 13, 2012 at 4:58 p.m.

lkeithlu, I'm told Mitt Romney had a better plan.

Apparently Massachusetts wasn't good enough for it though.

November 13, 2012 at 5:05 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

tderng said: . . .Does it make you angry because you are a minority? Only 15% say they have no religious affiliation.In a 2006 nationwide poll, University of Minnesota researchers found that despite an increasing acceptance of religious diversity, atheists were generally distrusted by other Americans, who trusted them less than Muslims, recent immigrants and other minority groups in "sharing their vision of American society". does that make you angry daytonsdarwin?"

Nor angry, rather sad. Then again, many Americans believe in Sasquatch, angels, demons, Sky Daddies, Holy Spooks, aliens, a literal heaven and hell, fairies, Easter Bunnies, leprechauns, Jimmy Swaggert, honest politicians, Popes, priests, that Elmo is a pedophile, that the earth is 6000 years-old, that man never walked on the moon, that Christ rose from the dead, that Noah had an ark with two of everything, that serpents and donkys talked, that Adam and Eve were the first two humans, that Mohammed rode a Horse to heaven, and other assorted bovine excrement.

So no, being in a minority that looks for science and reason in life and not legends, myths, and religious hoo-ha as explanations doesn't make me angry.

November 13, 2012 at 5:11 p.m.
miraweb said...

Jack - I have no problems with Fox. It's the "News" part that always gives me the giggles.

Fox plans to be around with or without the Republican Party. Hazy-crazy is great for ratings - if bad for winning votes.

November 13, 2012 at 5:25 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Sorry, JonRoss, but you are wrong. No amount of evidence to the contrary will change your mind. That has been true on other issues too.

November 13, 2012 at 6:03 p.m.
carlB said...

RED RULES Tennessee Democrats Hit Rock Bottom I disagree with the insinuation presented by this article. The Headline article in the CTFP on Sunday November 11, 2912 should have been directed more toward what the Tennessee voters' judgment/actions in voting against their own self interest when voting for the Republican candidates and against the "True Democratic" candidates running for elected offices.
The Tennessee Democratic Party leaders made a mistake in allowing the "unqualified" Mark Clayton to even be on the Democratic Primary candidate list.
There are plenty of questions of concern, relative to how and to whom were his "sponsors" to get him on the Democratic candidates list. Regardless, it was the choice and judgment of the voters on whom they wanted to vote for. The Tennessee Democratic Party did not have any control of how/who the voters chose to vote for.
It is hard for me to understand why the TN voters would show such "gloating" in their opportunity to vote against Democratic candidates with this Republic still in a crisis conditions caused by the 2007 deep recession? Not to mention the objectives of President Obama's enemies to obstruct and hinder his policies for recovery out of the 2007 recession.

The Republicans and other enemies of President Obama in "declaring to make him a failure," while lying, preventing and obstructing the recovery of the 2007 recession should be treated as "traitorous acts against" this Republic and the people. Yes, the GOP mirror is broken, but it might have been broken by the voters who continue accepting the biased and misleading information they are being fed.

November 13, 2012 at 6:09 p.m.
jjmez said...

JonRoss said... I am not sure about secession. Probably not good. But if the pro-American middle of the country chooses not to ride Obama's fiscal sleigh ride into hell what is the alternative ?

aahhhhh! johnny. The truth about those red states petitioning to secede. With the exception of Texas, those states wouldn't survive without help from the federal government. Alabama wouldn't be able to afford a stop sign without federal help. Arizona would dry up and become a desert. The state relies on federal dollars to pump fresh water across mountains and through canyons. With the exception of a small few, they all receive more per dollar from the federal government than they give.

A lot of good people in those red states, and the small few blue states who signed on for secession, would be badly hurt by a secession. But sometimes, like a petulant and rebellious child you have to say, *Fine! You want to leave? Then let me help you pack your bags so you can be on your way!! Wouldn't want to hold you up from your journey." ;>

November 13, 2012 at 6:13 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

lu: Evidence? You're the intractable one. Apologize to JonRoss.

November 13, 2012 at 6:14 p.m.
miraweb said...

As long as we're apologizing:

JonRoss - Elmo is on line 1.

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118062187

November 13, 2012 at 6:18 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Jon Ross made the claim. He should back it up. I say he's a liar. And he does not deserve an apology.

November 13, 2012 at 6:23 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Be specific, Jon Ross. You have no credibility.

November 13, 2012 at 6:28 p.m.
tderng said...

miraweb...kinda like I get the giggles at msnbc being a news source.Poor Rachel Maddow couldn't even figure out what was the problem with a head of an intelligence agency having an extra-marital affair. I couldn't help but laugh out loud that anyone would believe she had an I.Q. over room temperature.Yet the left seem to think she is some kind of great journalist.(hehehe)If I remember it correctly,her quote was "he didn't break any laws so whats the big deal?"I was surprised (not) that she didn't understand the possible implications of this affair.She may get an education before this is all said and done.I'm sure that Chris Matthews has got that tingle,or whatever it is,down his leg again.

November 13, 2012 at 6:31 p.m.
carlB said...

I believe in the Politicians telling the truth from the start. This is the best way to go. Look what happened to the Republicans when they had to start lying about President Obama's policies "trying" to convince the voters that he has been a complete failure during his first term, when he has not failed. President Obama has tried to tell the people the truth of what the crisis conditions were at the time he was elected, with the facts backing him up.

November 13, 2012 at 6:33 p.m.
miraweb said...

We've survived the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression. We've kept our families and neighbors afloat, lost and found jobs and homes, and recovered from major natural disasters.

I think we can handle the truth.

November 13, 2012 at 6:36 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

You made the claim that "Obamacare" was government takeover of healthcare, that Obama is lying, that the government sites are not truthful. You need to back these claims up or I call you a liar.

November 13, 2012 at 6:41 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Little JohnnyRoss, did you get touched inappropriately when you were dropped on your head at birth? Does Elmo scare you? Did Cookie Monster wee in your cornflakes? Did Santa Claus not give you that EZ Bake Oven and Cathy Chatty for Christmas? Have you been wearing your sister's hand-me-downs again?

Surely there's a deep-seated trauma that's made you so mentally confused. Did Mommy stop breast feeding you when you were fourteen?

I do bet you look nice in your miniature Nazi uniform and jackboots (with the elevator heels).

You're a pathetic little man just waiting to grow-up to be somebody, eternally pissed at the world for your own incompetence, self-loathing, and continuing failures in life.

But you do ride a nice Big Wheel. Who bought it for you since you went bankrupt? The taxpayers who supported your bankruptcy? The people you stiffed? The creditors you wouldn't pay?

There, there, LittleRossy; don't cry. Your pacifier might fall out of your mouth and you'll soil your diapers again. Since you're indigent the government will have to help clean you up just like it had to clean up your business messes.

Can we all hold hands and pray for LittleRossy?

November 13, 2012 at 6:52 p.m.
miraweb said...

You can self-insure all you want, JR. You don't have to buy any insurance.

You will have to pay a fairly small tax to cover the other folks who think "self-insure" really means that all of the rest of us ought to pay their way.

If you were a business, you could still self-insure without a penalty.

And, honestly, son - you will need some health coverage - sooner or later (and my bet is sooner). That is a dark little world you've locked yourself in.

November 13, 2012 at 6:56 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Your response tell me you have nothing, JonRoss. Therefore, you have lied. Repeatedly. No evidence whatever-your conspiracy-soaked brain made it up.

November 13, 2012 at 7:02 p.m.
alprova said...

JonRoss wrote: "I am convinced that Obama will butcher as many people he feels he needs to in pursuit of his Progressive dictatorship."

Then you Sir are a moron of the highest order.

November 13, 2012 at 7:07 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

dayton: Are you dude_ in drag? You seem to have the same writer.

November 13, 2012 at 7:10 p.m.
alprova said...

tu_quoque wrote: "And You claim to be an accountant and excellent with numbers."

If you have a specific challenge to make, by all means come out with it. I double checked the math and it is indeed accurate.

November 13, 2012 at 7:16 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Jack_Dennis said...dayton: Are you dude_ in drag? You seem to have the same writer."

Nope. I write my own material. I don't need neo-cons, John Hagee, the Pope, Bush, the military, Halliburton, CNN, Fox News, Bill O'Reilly , the CIA, Palin, Panetta, or Mush-mouth McCain telling me what to think or say.

How about you? Who's pulling your strings?

November 13, 2012 at 7:18 p.m.
dude_abides said...

JonRoss, I've never seen anybody work so hard, apparently all day long, and say absolutely nothing in the end.

November 13, 2012 at 7:36 p.m.
alprova said...

JonRoss wrote: "It is a criminal matter now mira and Elmo is indeed a pedophile, and no article from an obama cheerleading rag changes that fact."

Argue with Fox News then, for the retraction is on their front page...

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2012/11/13/man-who-accused-elmo-puppeteer-teen-sex-recants/

"WTCI needs to pull Sesame street now."

You are a blooming idiot.

November 13, 2012 at 7:37 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Jack_ never has an original thought. I have seen him subconsciously jump on bandwagons repeatedly. Even his ghost writing accusations are of an ohyeahwellyoutoo variety. Total bore.

November 13, 2012 at 7:45 p.m.
dude_abides said...
If the U.S. government ends up careening off the "fiscal cliff," Republicans in Congress stand to shoulder most of the blame, according to a new poll released Tuesday.

A majority of Americans said in a new, post-election poll that they do not expect President Barack Obama and members of Congress to reach an agreement to avoid the effects of the fiscal cliff, the combination of automatic spending cuts and tax hikes set to take effect at the beginning of the year. Fifty-three percent of Americans said Republicans in Congress would be more to blame in that instance, according to a Pew Research Center poll conducted in the days following the election. Twenty-nine percent said that Obama would be more to blame, while 10 percent said both the president and Republicans would share blame. Those kinds of numbers help set the political landscape heading into the impending fight to resolve the long-running fiscal standoff, which features an emboldened Obama fresh off a re-election victory and a Republican Party looking to regain its footing in Washington after losing seats in the House and Senate in addition to Mitt Romney's White House loss.

November 13, 2012 at 7:57 p.m.
alprova said...

Tu_quoque wrote "AlBaby check your decimal places."

Okay...I see what you are referring to. I should have posted them as 00.148% and 00.116%

"Everyone should make sure they don't allow AlBaby to do any important math for them and for God's sake no accounting you could be penalized for."

Sue me for having my calculator set incorrectly at the time I made those calculations.

Thank you for your "kind" correction, Ms. Blow-up Bob boffer...

November 13, 2012 at 8:16 p.m.
miraweb said...

Thyself thy foe, to thy sweet self too cruel . . .

http://disappearingromney.com/

November 13, 2012 at 8:33 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Harp3339 says: “I believe in abolishing the federal welfare and entitlement programs.”

May I ask if you’ve ever thought about relocating to one of those Banana Republics in South America, Harp3339? If not, I think it’s something you might want to seriously consider. Yes, I bet you’d find true happiness there. The population in some of these countries is just the way that you and the Republicans like it - the outrageously wealthy and devastatingly poor.

November 13, 2012 at 8:52 p.m.
hambone said...

This just in ! 84,000 have signed the petition in Texas !

Just need 164,000 more and they will reach 1% of the population!

November 13, 2012 at 9:01 p.m.

So how many from Texas signed it?

And what's with Austin trying to secede from Texas?

November 13, 2012 at 9:12 p.m.
stanleyyelnats said...

Republicans are perpetual losers.

Go. Good riddance and God Bless. Don't let the door hit you in the A$$ as you go.

November 13, 2012 at 9:14 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

dude_: What bandwagon would that be?

November 13, 2012 at 9:14 p.m.
stanleyyelnats said...

President OBAMA! 4 more years. Enjoy jon ross. I know I will.

November 13, 2012 at 9:18 p.m.
stanleyyelnats said...

I heard a Republican recently refer to the Republican fringe as the "wacko Loons...."

Steve Schmidt was the Republican....

http://tv.msnbc.com/2012/11/12/watch-one-more-laugh-at-the-gops-loons-and-wackos/

I think many are posting on this thread.

November 13, 2012 at 9:27 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

BigRidgePatriot said: "21,571 signatures for Tennessee."

Psst, BRP. . . The British are coming. . . Guess they heard about ya'll's petition.

November 13, 2012 at 9:38 p.m.
miraweb said...

I did a quick review of 400 signatures on the Texas petition. By my count 160 out of the 400 did not identify themselves as Texans.

This is fairly unscientific but if that percentage holds - about 35,000 of the signatures are coming from places other than Texas.

November 13, 2012 at 9:39 p.m.
miraweb said...

The Tennesee Petition only needs about another 700 signatures. Oddly enough - it seems to have a higher percentage of out-of-staters than even the Texas petition.

November 13, 2012 at 9:45 p.m.
miraweb said...

The Austin petition is up to 2,283 - putting it ahead of at least five of the state petitions. I have to chuckle that one of the most popular petitions is #3 - "Remove marijuana from the federal Controlled Substance Act" (44,128).

See - we can come together as a nation!

November 13, 2012 at 9:48 p.m.
joneses said...

obastard care gives you leberals a handout in the form of health care but it is ashamed you will not be able to see a doctor. You will be getting exactly what you deserve and I am sure you will find a way to blame someone other than obastard. Read this article from Yahoo fools.

http://gma.yahoo.com/doc-shortage-could-cause-healthcare-crash-172501425--abc-news-health.html

November 13, 2012 at 9:52 p.m.
miraweb said...

Read the dates, jonsie - that 52,000 docs by 2025

The doctors you are worried about are now in the 7th grade. The US has about 800,000 physicians. We will need to increase that by 6.5% - or slightly over a half percent per year.

November 13, 2012 at 9:55 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Miraweb said: "The Tennesee Petition only needs about another 700 signatures. Oddly enough - it seems to have a higher percentage of out-of-staters than even the Texas petition."

Is it my imagination or do you also get the feeling that some of these out-of-staters are a little too helpful and a little too eager to help the State of Tennessee along on this withdrawal thing?

November 13, 2012 at 10:05 p.m.
hambone said...

joneses, did you fire anymore of your make-beleive employees?

Will they be able to draw make-beleive unemployment?

November 13, 2012 at 10:08 p.m.
hambone said...

25,000 is .39% of the population of Tennessee.

Far too many whackoos, but a lot less whackoos than Texas.

Must be all that crude oil seeping into their ground water!

November 13, 2012 at 10:19 p.m.
carlB said...

JonRoss said...

So carlb when will your god king obama be on the hook for anything ? I know he is infallible and he is not to be blamed for anything that goes wrong but is that really a realistic view of him ? November 13, 2012 at 6:42 p.m. --------REPLY "JR" It would be nice to know if you took the time to vote for your choice of Candiates? I voted for my choice of the Democratic candidates in TN and this gives me the right to voice my opinion for and against any elected person and also agree or disagree with other individuals when the opportunity comes along. The world we live on is not a perfect world. There are not any perfect people, thereby making for an imperfect world with imperfect people. In the USA there are over 300 million imperfect people. Why is it for the people and our elected leasders to realize that we have to find ways of adjusting to keeping the best balance for all of us? If this Republic went into another great depression because the Republicans are against the role of our Government helping out when the private sectors destroy the balance of our economic and the financial systems, as in the effects of the 2007 deep recession? Thus forcing the masses of people into poverty, without money for housing, food, medical insurance to pay the doctors when they needed medical care. Would the one percent pay enough money to the healthcare insurance companies, to the doctors, and to the Hospitals to keep them up without the masses of the 99%? Where does the having the "right balance" need to be for the good of this Republic? What would the Republicans, Democrats, who are white, black, brown or in between do, if the private sectors and the US Government "did nothing" to help, what would happen?

November 13, 2012 at 10:24 p.m.
alprova said...

Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed that the chicken wing flapping is even worse than it was when they were trying to keep President Obama from being reelected?

joneses is still whining like a little baby, spewing unadulterated bunk about laying off part of his mythical workforce from his mythical business.

Jon Ross...well that man has lost ALL sense of rationality. He's moved beyond believing conspiracy theories to preparing for the invasion of his home by an Obama regime.

Even Rolando has returned to join in calling for secession and even went so far as to call for cutting off Mitt's 47%, all the while forgetting that he too is one of in those that will have to take the teat out of his mouth if it were to happen. Even worse, the man is buying into the stupid charge that the U.N. is going to take everyone's guns away.

Here ya' go Rolando;

http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/untreaty.asp

http://factcheck.org/2009/12/international-gun-ban-treaty/

http://factcheck.org/2012/06/still-no-international-gun-ban-treaty/

You guys are freaking High Larry Us...

November 13, 2012 at 10:27 p.m.
miraweb said...

Zogby did some polling on views about secession in 2008. They found about 72% of Americans oppose secession for their own state. The lowest support for secession was in the midwest (15%) and, not surprisingly, the highest was in the south (24%).

http://middleburyinstitute.org/zogbysecessionpoll2008.html

November 13, 2012 at 10:33 p.m.
dude_abides said...

If losing the presidential election wasn't enough, Mitt Romney has been hemorrhaging Facebook friends. People began unliking Romney's official Facebook page soon after the election results came in last week. The Washington Post noticed the drop on Friday, when the GOP presidential candidate's page was losing 593 likes an hour. By Saturday, Mashable said the exodus was up to 847 friends an hour, and as of Monday morning, Romney's Facebook page continued to lose around 11 likes every minute. For those who enjoy interactive graphics with their schadenfreude, the site DisappearingRomney.com shows Romney's Facebook likes dropping in real time. A ticker at the bottom of the page tallies how many people have unliked Romney's page just in the time users have been on the site.

Tick Tock

November 13, 2012 at 10:46 p.m.
acerigger said...

Wingnuts, something to consider,, dinosaurs could not adapt,they died off!

November 13, 2012 at 11:44 p.m.
fairmon said...

happywiththenewbulbs I apolegize to both you and MTJohns for incorrectly attributing your post as his. I would promise to never let that happen again but with the propensity here to call people a liar I won't promise anything.

hwtnb said....

As for manufacturing, actually, US manufacturing and productivity is up. But with fewer people working those jobs, almost as if more is being done with some unknown means.

Productivity per employee is up in manufacturing. Manufacturing jobs as a percent of the work force has gone from a high of 48% several years ago to around 12% currently. Automation has been a part of improved productivty, restructuring has been another. A successful company will seek to off set cost escalation which protects us from inflation, a concept that is foreign to government. An economy dominated by service industries and government employment will never be dynamic with a growing middle class.

November 14, 2012 at 12:17 a.m.

harp3339, I'm not concerned with that promise, I'd be much more impressed with recognition of the mistake, had it not taken you so long to get around to it. Maybe you can promise to apologize sooner??

Then again, you show little cognizance of what I just said. You basically repeated me for no reason. That's all stuff we agree upon, it's what flows from that which matters. And no, such downsizing is not foreign to government, it's actually widely popular within government, to the detriment of said government operations. There's a reason politicians can run both with promises to cut government and to put more into service. You might remember one from recent decades. Or dozens. Or some right now, particularly down Birmingham-way.

But here's the problem with your idea of a production based economy. It's not sustainable, because eventually a saturation point is reached, and whatever you're manufacturing? Isn't needed to fill an empty void, but to serve as a replacement. That's always going to be lower in amount. Which means capacity is reduced to replenishment amounts.

Automobiles reached that in the US a while ago. Other countries are in the same boat, or not viable as a whole with their current economic assets. The same problem will eventually hit other fields, and at that point...we'd better have some idea what to do with so many idle hands. Microsoft, Intel, Apple, and others are going to be in trouble soon.

And we'd probably better recognize that exponential growth only lasts so long.

Production-based economics? Not a long term viability with our current intentions, and unless you plan moving us all into space en masse, you'd better plan for a transition. That, and how to keep wealth moving, as opposed to stagnating.

November 14, 2012 at 1:18 a.m.
ricardo said...

My goodness! The hand wringing by the right wingnuts is in full overdrive. I notice that the impending doom is always in the future. Four years ago, they said we would be a socialist caliphate by now. Since that has not happened, they simply reset the clock and hope that we forget their prognostications from the past.

November 14, 2012 at 2:46 a.m.
Yossarian25 said...

Man, joneses (sic.) is such an a-hole he is probably doing people a favor by firing them, cos having a boss that retarded and bigoted would be hell! Life obviously discriminated against him by making him ignorant and pathetic... probably has never travelled outside his own state, what a complete tool! You will never see how you are wrecking America and blaming others instead, stop reading these cartoons you don't understand them!!!!

November 16, 2012 at 7:36 p.m.
chet123 said...

iTS REALLY FUNNY HOW THE DEMOCRATS SPOTED THE REPUBLICAN 7 SOUTHERN STATE AND STILL BLEW THE REPUBLICAN AWAY DISPITE THE 100 BILLIONS DOLLARS IN PAY-OFF MONEY HA HA HA

November 23, 2012 at 1:18 p.m.
chet123 said...

HEY JONES!!! REMEMBER ME ..CHET123....I TOLD YOU LAST YEAR WHAT WOULD HAPPEN....NOOOOO!!! YOU BELEIVE EVERYTHING FOX NEWS TOLD YOU.....NOW YOU LOOK LIKE A TOTAL FOOL.....SO RUN AND HIDE AND LICK YOUR WOUNDS HA HA HA!

November 23, 2012 at 1:22 p.m.
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