published Monday, November 19th, 2012

5-at-10: Dooley's done edition, with BCS shake out and the Kansas City Chiefs listed as a cause of death

From the "Talk too much" studios, let's make USC and roll over...

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    Tennessee coach Derek Dooley walks off the field after his team's loss to Vanderbilt.
    Photo by Patrick Smith /Chattanooga Times Free Press.

Dooley era complete

And it's done. Official and complete.

We told you that Derek Dooley was not going to be back for 2013 last week.

We all saw that Dooley's time was done Saturday when Vandy took the Vols to the woodshed and made them like it.

We all knew it was coming; it came Sunday when Dave Hart made the announcement.

The TFP has a slew of coverage today from recruits, to the timeline that was Dooley's demise, to the list of candidates to ace columnist Mark Wiedmer's view that Dooley and Jon Gruden could switch jobs and everyone would be better off.

The 5-at-10 will take a different view, and as someone who grew up watching and pulling for the Vols, this is not going to be easy or possibly popular. Here are the Rushmore of painful facts that we must face about the state of the UT football program:

1) This is not an upper-echelon SEC program right now. All-time? Of course it is; Tennessee is likely second behind Alabama. Right now, with five losing seasons in its last eight and looking for its fourth coach in its last six seasons, UT is closer to the bottom than the top. Much closer.

2) Next year is going to be worse. Receivers Justin Hunter and Cordarrelle Patterson are all-but-gone to the NFL, and barring a rock-star hire (more on that in a moment) so is quarterback Tyler Bray and maybe even tackle Ju'waun James. So the scoreboard-smashing offense that kept UT close before Saturday will be starting over and the record-setting (in a bad way) defense will be forced to carry the water. Ouch-standing.

3) Because of situation and circumstance, if the Vols can't land Jon Gruden, there's a real chance that the fan base is going to be disappointed with whomever comes to the 865. While we think it's still somewhat of a longshot to get Gruden — which is a much improved view compared to where we were a month ago when we thought there was no way Gruden was coming — Hart is faced with the painful prospect of the rumor becoming perception becoming expectation and that combining with desperation has made Gruden a combination savior, savant and saint. And almost every Johnny Vols Fan is dying for him to come to Knoxville. If he doesn't, the next coach already faces strike one by simply not being Jon Gruden.

4) Hart said all the right things Sunday when he announced Dooley's firing, even pointing out his sales pitch: "This is the ultimate challenge, which competitors embrace," Hart said. "This is the ultimate challenge, for a football coach to come into this league. If you're a competitor and you want to prove your worth, come into the Southeastern Conference. Come to the University of Tennessee. You'll get that opportunity." That said, the next coach will have a tough, Tough, TOUGH gig. Yes, as Hart said Sunday, Dooley left the program in better shape than he found it, but that's a testament more to what Lane Kiffin left than what Derek Dooley did.

We knew this day was coming — heck, every coach leaves, that's the circle of football life — but the end always seems more final and more painful. (Well, Saturday night was more painful, anyway.)

And this is not all Derek Dooley's fault. There's a Wally's-in-East-Ridge-sized buffet of blame to go around, it's just that the guy at the top wears the crown or the bull's eye.

Still, it's hard to think of the preseason — amid the hopeful heat of August, when we talked about the Vols having a swing range between 5 wins and potentially 10 — and remember Dooley's famous quip: "You're not going to have Tennessee to kick around anymore." Well, yes, the SEC is going to have Tennessee to kick around; they just won't have Derek Dooley to kick around anymore.


It's Gruden and...

We think Dave Hart is in a tough spot and to make matters worse, he must move quickly. Every recruiting day lost could be a recruit lost, and the talent starved Vols can ill-afford to lose any prospect, especially a four-star safety from a nearby school that has always been a Vols fan but is being courted by two power programs that are a combined 21-1 and feature some of the best recruiters anywhere.

We all know Gruden is atop the Vols Nation Christmas list and we've all seen the reports from NFL beat guys that Gruden would prefer to come to a college job than an NFL gig. We've even read the story about Gruden approaching Rahem Morris and looking about putting together a staff.

And we agree with Weeds that UT can't afford not to meet Gruden's demands; if Gruden eventually says no, then UT can't control that, but whatever UT can control it simply must be willing to give Gruden every concession. The Vols are dealing from a position of desperation and to not grant Gruden big coin for a staff or big ideas is simply short-sighted. Yes, there is an economic crunch on every athletic department everywhere — heck, on every company everywhere — but UT athletics can't be profitable being mediocre or worse in football. That's basic accounting.

In fact, the buyouts and the reports of financial shortcomings in the athletic department make things seem cash-strapped and make the more frugal among us whether UT can afford Gruden and his alleged big-budget requests for assistant. We counter that UT simply can't afford NOT to shake every cushion and pinch every penny to get Gruden. We also can say fairly confidently that the talk around the UT offices has been about Gruden first and foremost, so they seem to be making every effort.

That said, it still may not be enough and Gruden still may not come to Vol Nation. (The counter argument of course is he could have his pick of jobs at the NFL and college level, so why be interested in one that is going to be so difficult? And one year as a Grad Assistant seems pretty thin when there's a real chance he could be coaching the Dallas Cowboys if he wanted to.) So if he does not come to the 865, who's next?

The same names — Charlie Strong (good), Bob Stoops (doubtful), Jimbo Fisher (???) — have been bandied about the last 36 hours. The only thing we know for sure about the search is that if it's not Gruden, it's not the Vols' first choice.


Around college football

— Fab 4 (plus 1) picks went 3-2 last week, hitting on Mississippi State, La-Monroe and Ohio State. We missed on Oklahoma and USC (stupid Lane Kiffin) and are 42-18-2 this year. We make our Fab 4 picks every Thursday, and found some games Friday that we liked even more — the over/under on FSU-Maryland was 45 for crying outloud. Know this though, there was some significant entertainment on USC — the preseason No. 1 team in the country — beating rival UCLA because of a parlay that included multiple early Saturday winners and the USC Kiffins spit the bit. Side note: For all the UT folks that think the Vols would be better off if Kiffin had stayed, you may have a chance to rehire him considering the 7-4 Trojans face No. 1 Notre Dame and went from atop the polls to atop the Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl's wish list.

— Speaking of picking games, Utah State moved to 11-0 against the spread with a 48-41 overtime win over La. Tech as a 3-point favorite.

— If you've ever doubt LSU coach Les Miles' utter brilliance, watch this video: Les Miles rocks.

— Why does everyone get their pads in a bunch about the BCS around Halloween, when every year it works itself into a manageable position. It's the same process — "OH NOOOOOOOO! There are seven unbeaten teams and so-and-so will get robbed if they don't have a chance to play for it all." — and every year other than 2004 it works itself out. (And yes, there's a log jam of one-loss teams, but those teams do not have the same argument because in the end they lost. And college football's regular season is the best in sports because it's a three-month playoff, and if you lose you need help or style points or luck or something.) In fact, three weeks ago everyone was talking about great it would be if there was a playoff this year. Well, a four-team playoff would actually make things worse this year, considering the shuffles after Kansas State was thumped by Baylor on Saturday and Oregon's loss at Stanford. As of this morning, unbeaten Notre Dame is No. 1 followed by five teams with one loss — Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Oregon and Kansas State. Alabama and Georgia will play in the SEC title game which is a BCS semifinal at this point, but if there was a four-team playoff who's in this year?

— Kudos to the Mocs for finishing the drill and posting a 6-5 mark. We are huge fans of UTC coach Russ Huesman and the job he's done on the hill. That said, anything short of a playoff berth next year with the amount of talent and experience that returns will be a failure.

— OK, amid all the chaos and strife that was the first six weeks of the Georgia Tech football season, here we stand and the Jackets have won the Coastal division and have two MONSTER games on the horizon. This week is the rivalry clash with Georgia, which may be looking a week ahead at the SEC title game. The following week will be a date with FSU in the ACC title game that could be worth a trip to the Orange Bowl. Yep, after MTSU puts a 21-point spanking on you, a shot at the Orange Bowl seems cuh-razy, no? (Miami self-imposed a bowl ban, meaning the 'Canes can't go to the ACC title game, meaning Tech is headed there after beating Duke on Saturday.)


This and that

— As bad as the 1-8 Kansas City Chiefs have been, they hit a low-water mark this weekend. No, this has nothing to do with the 28-6 loss to Cincinnati. On Nov. 14, 81-year old Loren G. "Sam" Lickteig of Missouri died and this is the word-for-word obituary that ran in the Kansas City Star: "Loren G. "Sam" Lickteig passed away on Nov. 14, 2012 of complications from MS and heartbreaking disappointment caused by the Kansas City Chiefs football team." How many Johnny Vols Fans just nodded their heads and said, "We're so going to use that."

— Congrats to the Blue Deuce and Brad Keselowski for winning his first NASCAR points title. It was not as much fun as last year's chase — that was a once-in-a-lifetime kind of deal — but we believe the guy that deserved it won it. Nice job Bad Brad.

— Sorry, Chas9, did not watch a single moment of college hoops this weekend. Feel free to fill us in on what we missed.

— We'll have more NFL stuff tomorrow, but there were some pretty sweet wagers on the board Sunday. Does anyone want some 5-at-10 Fab 4 (plus 1) entertainment advise on NFL games?


Today's question(s)

It's all Dooley, all the time. And Jomo, keep the gloating to a minimum — you were right about the five-win Vols, provided they can end their losing streak to Kentucky that is (ouch, that last one hurt).

OK, in honor of Dooley, the brainiac that was the former Vols coach — and this is not a shot, dude was a smart cookie — let's have a quiz about his time in the 865:

What's the one word you'd use to describe Dooley's time with UT:

True or false: UT will be better than the 6-6 in 2013.

In a paragraph ,what's the lasting image of the last three years of UT football:

Fill in the blank: UT's next football coach will be _.

And it's Monday, so any lingering thoughts from the weekend are also accepted.


about Jay Greeson...

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orangeguy said...

Better than 6-6? Yes. Defense cannot get any worse. Impossible to be worse than this. Most of o-line should be back, Worley can sling it, and both RBs will be back. 7-5 should be doable.

Lasting image of last 3 years: we should have known after year 1 (or year zero as Dooley put it) that it wasn't gonna end well for Dooley. Snakebit from the start.

My money (for entertainment purposes only) is on Strong.

November 19, 2012 at 10:21 a.m.
JonathanMCook said...

I love the smell of Monday Morning Quarterbacking. Since everyone is going to be throwing in their two shillings worth on Dooley's firing, I'll start with the SoCon and move up.

Da Mocs (football): I did watch the Elon game via streaming video along with Georgia-GSU in ESPN3 (More on that later). After seeing T-Rob do the footrace during the third quarter, I pretty much considered it a done deal and left to run errands. Overall, I was pleased this year given the ensuing drama at the start of the season. However, this season also shows just how damn fickle our community is regarding support for these cats. During my brief nine-day trip home, I was pleased to see the number of businesses showing support for the Power C but at the same time, attendence for our top rivals barely pasted the 10,000 mark.

Does the "Not Impressed" face.

That said, Mocs need to win the championship next year (undisputed/no co-share), and play in the post season. I grant you playing at the Rock and the Marsh (JR's words Spy, not mine) will not be easy, but it needs to be done. Otherwise, we're seen as 2nd tier. Some of the Vol fans maybe jumping ship to our camp but the neighboring Georgia and Alambama fans obviously will not so that help attendance just a little bit.

Da Eagles: I know, me rooting for the Eagles. Parish the thought. However, I really wanted them to pull a Michigan/App State and judging from the first half, it looked probable. Needless to say, Georgia threw on the afterburners and the rest was history. Sorry Spy (I also thought that "incomplete pass" that was ruled was definitely a fumble). But kudos to ESPN3 for the respectable coverage of the program. I love the trivia facts about how the guy who started the Eagle program did not have equipment, the tryouts were done on a tennis court, and whenever the players go out onto the field, the gently headbutt his bronze headbust.

November 19, 2012 at 10:25 a.m.
JonathanMCook said...

Part 2

Da Basketball Mocs: Ugly, UGLY playing on Sunday. What happened? They go from going toe to toe with Kansas and next thing they're struggling against an OVC conference team. Meanwhile Wes Moore's (WEESSSSSS!!!!) ovarian elite takes out ETSU in the same manner as Alabama vs. Western Carolina. Won't be able to see the Troy game tonight but will be home to see the La. Tech match-up.

Da Vols: Six bucks I'm right (for entertainment purposes only) says the good Commadore is literally fist pumping up in the pearly gates after Saturday. It also shows just because you're the son of a famous coach does not mean the apple will always fall from the tree. I don't wish to ill-will but this is almost the Vol version of the now famous "Mocs Chicken Curse" (Ask Frierson about that one).

Finally, Rushmore time. I "heard" about The Beavs "thanking" all his haters for claiming to be flash in the pan regarding is AMA ::snicker, snicker:: award and so I came up with a Rushmore of his "predessors" that have gone the way of obscurity: Lief Garret, Vanilla Ice*, David Cassidy.

*Was able to redeem himself with a really cool home building show on the DIY Network.

November 19, 2012 at 10:26 a.m.
fechancellor said...

10 Ring, wasn't the all Tyler Bray pregame banter between the sideline reporter and the booth a hoot? The sideline reporter (these peoples' names mean little to me) whipped out a radar gun saying that Bray throws a 55 mph fastball that could be faster during the game. Also mentioned were Bray's six of 300 yard games.

Seems the radar gun could not record how fast Dooley pulled Bray in the 2nd quarter and all banter geared to that story line vanished. Certainly, "one smart dude" Dooley knew this was his last game, and over and above Bray's p-poor performance, Dooley finally got some pay back due from wet nursing Bray.

Take that to the NFL Combine, Bray.

1) Rubbish

2) False

3) Dooley was a desperation hire at a desperate time for the Vols. Although, he said all the right things in public, most of his coaching staff (for whatever reason) jumped ship last year. This not only caused Dooley to spend valuable time seaching for replacements; it lead to the Vols adopting the ugly, awful and ineffective 3-4 defense. Whatever Dooley did to clear the air in the locker room could not be carried to the field.

4) Whoever winds up 2nd in the running for the Arkansas job.

November 19, 2012 at 11:14 a.m.
TennFlyer said...

What's the one word you'd use to describe Dooley's time with UT: Discombobulated

True or false: UT will be better than the 6-6 in 2013. 6-6 would be about right, 4 OOC, Kentucky, and one other

In a paragraph ,what's the lasting image of the last three years of UT football: The complete clusters at the end of the LSU and Music City Bowl games. Not all his fault but it kind of is.

Fill in the blank: UT's next football coach will be _. Al Golden, especially since Miami did not fully disclose all the issues he was walking into. Gruden is not coming and UT-K is not a good enough job to get someone like Strong or Jimbo to pack up and move.

November 19, 2012 at 11:15 a.m.
chas9 said...

Hoops? Seems like both UT and UK are improving. Though I still say The Vols won't be really good without Maymon.

Ironic that on the weekend of Double D's demise, one who got away from Knoxville caught the game winner for Green Bay.

Early line is UT 14 entertainment dollars over UK. Who do you pick? I like The Cats.

Kentucky and Tennessee both fire three year coaches with similar records and Joker coaches to the season's end while Derek stays home with his Dominos. What's the difference? How does a school decide whether a dead duck finishes?

Yes, even a cursory study of history shows that big-time college football's handful of undefeateds at Halloween get pared down severely. Some fans must drink so heavily that their memories are impaired. "This could be the year..." is a fan's mantra, it seems.

DMC--"Ovarian elite" is catchy, but I think you can do better.

November 19, 2012 at 11:28 a.m.
jgreeson said...

From friend of the show StuckinKent —

I would like to say that the Mocs basketball team is young, so there is going to be uneven play. But against a team that was big, they more than held their own rebounding, and protected the ball well. They got the free throw line. In other words, they did all the little things it takes to win. They did not make shots, and SEMO did make shots. They didn't do the one big thing, in other words.

Still, last year's team too often did the big thing, but none of the little things and it got them beat. I'll take my chances that the big thing gets more even, and if the Mocs keep on doing the little things, they will be successful this year. Success may be measured in different ways. Said this stretch of four games was huge. They are 0-1 in this stretch. Today against Troy is huge. La Tech and Kennesaw State to finish out the week are big. They need to go 2-1 in these three games. We'll see.....

November 19, 2012 at 11:45 a.m.
jgreeson said...

Also from friend of the show StuckinKent

I have no opinion on what the Vols record will be next year, until I hear who the coach will be. Three years ago, when Dooley was I hired, I figured we would be right where we are in three years. And here we are. Hoping that they get it all straightened out. We'll see. I have no opinion on who the next coach will be either. I have no idea. I've been saying Charlie Strong or Kirby Smart since August, so I guess I won't back down from that now. Not sure if those are "rock star" hires, but I really believe both get the Vols into a solid position to get to a bowl game next year, and then get back into contention in 2014.

By the way, anyone notice that Justin Worley didn't look that bad on Saturday night? Sure he wasn't great, but he was 100 times better than last year.

November 19, 2012 at 11:49 a.m.
Todd962 said...

Question, looking at the BCS standings, if Notre Dame falls to USC, and all higher ranking SEC teams win out, are we looking at another potential all SEC National Title Game? I would assume Florida would remain up there with a Florida State win and the winner of the SEC title game would advance, correct? Thoughts? Riots nationwide?

November 19, 2012 at 12:02 p.m.
patrickd said...

5@10, If Alabama beats Georgia they'll back into, yet another, National Championship game.

I'll be the first to admit Alabama's had some success recently but do you think their legacy would be different if they had won these things the right way?

November 19, 2012 at 1:12 p.m.
BIspy4 said...

Stupid chop block penalty cost us Saturday against the Dawgs. About to score to go up 14-10 and then get the second half kickoff. Well, that and a secondary as porous as a strainer ....

USC will face the Irish sans Matt Barkley. Umm ... yeah ... I think the Irish will be favored.

I just don't get all the Gruden love. Why? Because he's currently not coaching? First of all, he is kind of annoying as an analyst on MNF. He's not Mike Mayock annoying but he's close. He was 43-54 in his post Super Bowl years at Tampa Bay, not including 0-2 in the playoffs. This is the guy you want?

I was thinking the Kingston Trio could record a new song...

Hang down your head, Derek Dooley, hang down your head and cry. Hang down year head, Derek Dooley, poor boy you just got fired.

November 19, 2012 at 1:14 p.m.
jgreeson said...

OrangeGuy —

The defense can only get worse if they bring in a 4-3 guy and change everything again — even then, the defense would likely be better if for no other reason than Brian Randolph will be back.

Strong is a good bet. Side question for you: Do you know any UT fan not in a better mood today?

Run JMC —

Rushmore of one-hit wonders: Vanilla Ice, Right Said Fred, the Macarena dudes, Dexy's Midnight Runners maybe

FE to the C —

That was interesting to see — we had never seen anyone use the radar gun before. Here's saying it will be a regular sight in the near future.

And yes, it seemed that there was a not-so-subtle message in that benching. So it goes.

TennFlyer —

You know partial we are to discombobulated. Great word. And accurate.

9er —

They both seem to be improving, yes. Will that be enough? Hard to tell.

Dooley knows the fan base has turned and declined to coach Saturday. As hard as that must of been it's the right move. If Dooley had been a lame duck on the sideline, there would have been 50K in the stands for a senior day that would be hard to handle.

Stuck —

You realize that your wrote that you "have no opinion" on something? You feeling OK or do the holidays have to distracted?

Kidding, kidding.

962 —

An Alabama-Florida or a UGA-Florida title game won't be a rerun of the X-Factor nationally in the ratings.

There would anarchy — dogs and cats living together and everything.

— 5-at-10

November 19, 2012 at 1:30 p.m.
jgreeson said...

PDavi —

How would their legacy be different? They are viewed as the standard of college football right now and every fan of every program this side of Oregon would cut off their current coach's right hand to get Saban.

Regardless of the "backing in" stuff or not, the Tide are in position to win their third title in four years. It's the greatest dynasty of the BCS era and if they win it all this year, there's no close second either.

Spy —

Was driving all day Saturday and listened to most of that game. Thought the same thing and think a lot of UGA folks know that could have been a nail-biter if that penalty goes differently.

Here's our question about Gruden? Does he or any of the NFL assistants he is talking to have any idea how tough this could be?

— 5-at-10

November 19, 2012 at 1:36 p.m.
Stewwie said...

[Kudos to the Mocs for finishing the drill and posting a 6-5 mark. We are huge fans of UTC coach Russ Huesman and the job he's done on the hill. That said, anything short of a playoff berth next year with the amount of talent and experience that returns will be a failure.]

Agreed, especially if all of the coaching staff stays. And T-Rob stays too.

Next year, I think UT will be 6-6 or worse. The D can only get better, but the O will take a step or two (or three) back. For out-of-conference games, Austin Peay and South Alabama are gimmes, but Western KY doesn't look so easy anymore. Oregon is a definite loss. For in-conference foes, , maybe the Vols can get a W over Auburn, Kentucky, and Missouri, but those are just maybes. Anything can happen between now and then of course, but I'm thinking that 2013 will be another tough year for Vol Nation regardless of who is at the helm.

Next coach at UT will not be Jon Gruden. Or Bob Stoops. Or Jimbo Fisher. Charlie Strong will sit back and watch his multiple coaching offers get matched by Louisville. Hart could go after Kirby Smart, but then that'd mean that Sunseri stays and the Vols live and die by the 3-4 again. In then end, I think he'll end up offering about $2MM/yr. to Al Golden, and Golden won't refuse. Before that though, it's worth seeing if James Franklin has any interest in moving 2 hours east.

November 19, 2012 at 1:38 p.m.
jgreeson said...

Stew —

If all the meaningful pieces — especially T-Rob — comeback, the Mocs are preseason co-favorites with Georgia Southern.

Fair point about the UT schedule being tougher though. That looks like 3 out of conference Ws, and then who knows.

We concur — Franklin deserves a phone call.

— 5-at-10

November 19, 2012 at 1:41 p.m.
chas9 said...

Five interceptions? Say it ain't so, Joe. And cancel my Super Bowl plans.

Maryland pays $50 million to go to The Big 10/8/12 and improve their bottom line? Huh?

A history lesson for those of you who first heard the name Ron Shumate in the conversation following Murray Arnold's death: After coaching UTC to a national championship, The Shoo went on to coach SEMO, who beat The Mocs Sunday.

962--I'd love to see an all-SEC championship. And could there be riots protesting how poor the game will be if Bama faces The Irish? My early line would be Bama -21.

November 19, 2012 at 1:51 p.m.
jomo11 said...

Jay- No gloating really hurts my ego . . .however Vol fans should hope Hart takes as long as it takes to get the right guy. You should NEVER hire or keep a coach based on concerns about losing one recruiting year . .that is one reason you ended up with Dooley. You have to give the big names time to make a decsion on their own timeframe. If you give the big names an ultimatum they will turn you down. . . make sure you get the right guy for long term, no matter if its by year end or not. . . .also, one thing about Dave Hart and the same with Rick Hart, they keep things close to the vest. Anyone that says "I heard a souce that says Hart is going to . . .", those people are full of it. Hart keeps secrets til he is ready and doesn't talk.. . . As John Wooden says "go fast, but dont hurry"

November 19, 2012 at 2:04 p.m.
orangeguy said...

J - the feeling today is the early Christmas party with extended family. Nice spread of food, Chinese gift exchange, etc. Fun times for sure, but not Dec. 25. The feeling will be downright rapturous if we wake up Christmas morning with Jon Gruden under the tree.

November 19, 2012 at 2:05 p.m.
Todd962 said...

Something that I noticed from the debacle that was the UT-Vandy game (aside from the dude on the Vandy sideline with the epic beard. That thing looked like you could've hit it with a jackhammer and it wouldn't have budged) was James Franklin's enthusiasm and coaching. A random example was his pacing up and down the sideline to make sure everyone was holding up the three finger VU sign during kickoffs, even to the point of stopping and scolding an assistant who wasnt participating.

When I was a player I wasnt the biggest fan of the little things like that, but as I have gotten older and looked back, I realize the importance of the unity and the coach's demands that no one is above holding their hands up to support their teammates. You didnt see anything even close to resembling unity on the Tennessee sideline. Bray was off in lala land wondering if he could hit 60 mph on the radar, if the top half of his beard would ever grow in, or whether his back tat would clash with dolphin he had planned for his lower back.

Having cool hand signs for kickoffs doesnt win you any more football games, but convincing 18 and 19 year olds to commit to a team as a singular unit makes the other stuff come a lot easier. Whoever UT does go with will hopefully be able to relate to the kids they are bringing in and get them to buy into the program better than whatever Dooley was throwing their way.

Also, how awkward was the Derek Dooley show Sunday? Wowser, poor Bob Kesling. "Thanks for joining us this morning Derek. Now to avoid this awkwardness, I will be placing this carniverous ear wig into my brain. Ahhh!"

November 19, 2012 at 2:29 p.m.
LaughingBoy said...

Five-at-Ten, we all love the draft so who do the woeful Chiefs take with the first pick next year? Matt Barkley would have been an easy #1 choice before the games actually began this fall. Can Eric Berry just run wildcat? Man they are a bad team.

I can't believe you forgot Vanilla Ice's classic, "I Love You", the subject of one of the best ever video reviews by Beavis and Butthead. Two-hit-wonder.

How many mattresses will burn when Gruden declines? (over/under?)

November 19, 2012 at 2:41 p.m.
chas9 said...

Todd--Good point about what you can read on the sidelines. I guess wearing orange slacks just wasn't enough. Here's saying the new coach will retire those sartorial wonders.

Pretend Gruden: I'm writing down on this piece of paper what it'll take.

Pretend Hart: (Looks at paper.) Wowser. Okay, then how much if you don't have to wear the pants?

November 19, 2012 at 2:57 p.m.
JonathanMCook said...

chase wrote-

"A history lesson for those of you who first heard the name Ron Shumate in the conversation following Murray Arnold's death: After coaching UTC to a national championship, The Shoo went on to coach SEMO, who beat The Mocs Sunday."

I did hear JR discuss that while watching the streaming video on I also saw where he attended said ballgame.

Even though he may not have been pulling for any one favorite, I wonder if he felt a sense of internal sadness as to far the program has fallen. Jim spoke highly of him in regards what he did to both programs. Made it to where the Mocs outgrew McClellen Gym for the Roundhouse and then did the same thing for SEMO and their facilities.

Sadly, you could probably fit all the attendees inside McClellen and still not be half-full.

November 19, 2012 at 2:58 p.m.
jgreeson said...

9er —

There would be riots. And our guy in Vegas has the early BCS lines as follows:

Alabama minus 10 over Notre Dame

Alabama minus 7 over Georgia

and if they were eligible, Alabama minus 14 over THE Ohio State.

Jomo —

There's a lot of truth to that. Although we've heard from a friend of a friend in the...

OrangeGuy —

There are a few Johnny Vols Fans we know that would need to go on suicide watch if Gruden's not next.

962 —

Franklin looked like the real deal Saturday night and that's a pick we whiffed. Here's saying that Franklin had been looking forward to this one since this time last year.

And that guy with the beard was AWE-some Saturday night. And we're not talking about the neck-hair Tyler Bray was sporting.

Laughter —

Burning mattresses, turned over cars, cuss words on the Rock...

As for the Chiefs, well, there's not a lot of high-quality options for a team starving for QB help. Although they could draft a doctor, since they are killing their fans. Thank you, thanks you.

— 5-at-10

November 19, 2012 at 3:17 p.m.
jgreeson said...

9er —

A pretend Chucky-pretend Hart phone call will DEFINITELY be in Tuesday's 5-at-10. And you will get full credit.


One of the things we would have liked to have seen was the Big Mac crowds that everyone raves about. College hoops games in front of snug gyms that are overflowing are awesomely big-time in their big-time awesomeness.

— 5-at-10

November 19, 2012 at 3:21 p.m.
BIspy4 said...

And to think, as a young boy in the backyard of our quarters at Camp Swampy, I'd play Nerf football as the Kansas City Chiefs, being Len Dawson, Otis Taylor, Elmo Wright, Ed Podolak, Willie Lanier, Jim Lynch, Bobby Bell, Curley Culp, Marvin Upshaw, Ed Budde and Jack Rudnay all rolled into one. Alas. They are now the worst NFL team since the earth cooled.

November 19, 2012 at 3:25 p.m.
BackupQB said...

1 word to describe the Dooley era? "inoverhisheadedness" - ok I made up that word, but TennFlyer beat me to discombobulated. Look, the University of Tennessee hired a coach from LOUISIANA TECH who had a LOSING RECORD. When he left Louisiana Tech, they actually IMPROVED! They were ranked before losing to Utah State Saturday.

TN can absolutely be better than 6-6 in 2013. When you lose close games in the 4th Quarter (UGA, SC, Miss St, Mizzou), it often comes down to COACHING decisions. The RIGHT coach wins 1 or 2 of these.

My lasting image of this era is unfulfilled hope. DD often won the press conference ... saying all the right things (and sometimes humorous - "Rommel") and the orange pants were boss! I wanted him to succeed, but he couldn't get it done.

Next coach prediction = Jim Tressel. Fear the sweater vest! I have no idea; but thought I'd throw a different name in the hat.

On another note, please ... the next time you run a pic of Coach Chucky, can you photoshop out the creepy "Abe Simpson" Monte Kiffin lerching over his shoulder. Holy, bad karma Batman!

Mailbag question: In the fallout from Collin Klein losing the Heisman and K-State losing the #1 ranking, what is your Mt. Rushmore of previous incidents of the SI Cover Jinx?

Mailbag #2: I completely agree with you regarding college football having the best regular season by far. I'd love a playoff as much as everyone else, but the college football regular season is like a "handicapped playoff" (teams ranked high early get a mulligan and teams ranked low early do not). In the BCS era, what is your Rushmore of November meltdowns/fallouts/upsets/chokes/etc involving teams ranked #1 or #2 in the BCS rankings?

June Jones (aka BackupQB)

November 19, 2012 at 3:30 p.m.
jgreeson said...

Spy —

The Chiefs and the Saints are inversely proportional in a lot of ways.

Know who else? There are 16 year old kids that have been alive for all of one Dallas Cowboys playoff win.

Backup JJones —

We're all for making up words. We have a 5-year-old and a a 2-year-old we're well-versed in pretend language.

And inoverhisheadedness is perfect... irregardlessly.

Nice mailbag selections. We're on it.

— 5-at-10

November 19, 2012 at 3:43 p.m.
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