published Saturday, October 6th, 2012

The Knockout

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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Salsa said...

REALITY is that Obama lost the debate.

October 6, 2012 at 12:18 a.m.
Anklejive said...

Good one, Clay. That REALITY Belt was made by Fact Checker, Inc.

October 6, 2012 at 12:34 a.m.
wrdrennan said...

Good cartoon, Clay. I get kinda tired of right wingers spouting nonsense about how Obama is all washed up, etc. Romney presented well, but only if you believed what he said. He does seem detached from reality.

October 6, 2012 at 2:33 a.m.
fairmon said...

This is only one debate. Neither this debate or polls will determine election results. Obama knows the dementia factor of the American voter. He knows the first debate or first round of the match is not the time to throw his best punches while his under dog opponent had no choice. As noted before, it is the famous ropa-dope strategy, the opponent keeps throwing punches and wears out early. He also knows he will have one of his fans as the referee for the next round with a different format. Gary Johnson qualified to be on the ballot in all 50 states, an almost impossible accomplishment, it seems he should be included in the debates.

October 6, 2012 at 3:27 a.m.
Cactus said...

Obama was leading from behind.

October 6, 2012 at 5:19 a.m.
AndrewLohr said...

Reality: our current President has not cut the deficit in half, has not kept joblessness under 8% and brought it under 6%, has not got Solyndra open and Gitmo shut, but does have a record # and % of us on food stamps...like Bush Sr, who raised taxes, he has not done the job we hired him to do, so he needs replaced.

October 6, 2012 at 5:34 a.m.
rolando said...

Well, the TFP finally picked up on the meningitis story [http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2012/oct/06/meningitis-cases-up-to-47-america/?breakingnews].

However, it failed to report the peanut butter salmonella outbreak recalls including a COMPLETELY VOLUNTARY AND PRECAUTIONARY one from a local bakery. Its national news reporting is well behind the power curve...see http://www.foxnews.com/index.html

But then, that's why we have foxnews.com

October 6, 2012 at 5:37 a.m.
conservative said...

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works 2Timothy 3:16-17

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..

October 6, 2012 at 7:33 a.m.
patriot1 said...

Many in the leftist media cannot bring themselves to believe their man lost and that it wasn't even close. They have had "the long knives out for him" as one TV anchor said, and now he let them down. That's reality.

October 6, 2012 at 7:33 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Tu_quoque notes proudly: "Conservatives see a candidate they did not know they had."

Indeed, I bet they do, Tu_quoque. . . Romney practically disavowed the whole GOP platform – plank by plank. . . Hmmmm. . . I wonder what are they going to call this new party that Romney has established? . . . Grand Old Liars? . . . Grand Old Wannabe Anything But Conservative?

October 6, 2012 at 8:02 a.m.
Reardon said...

Where's the Manchild's karate robe, Clay?

October 6, 2012 at 8:05 a.m.
hobo said...

The reality is president Obama is going to knock out Romney in the election. Why? Because there are more needy than their are greedy. The greedy don't need all of that money because if they did they would not have it in a bank drawing interest and making even more money.

People are hungry and it is not their fault. The rich republicans have taken the poor's money when Bush gave the rich republicans those tax cuts. I am not ashamed to be a democrat or a liberal.

October 6, 2012 at 8:14 a.m.
EaTn said...

I have no excuse to make for Obama. He was not in the game, for whatever reason. The next debate will be a positive indicator of whether he is another "Perry" debater, or just had a bad night. Overshadowed in this debate was the fact the Romney disavowed many of the things he has been running on for the past few months. Can everyone ask, "will the real Romney please stand up?".

October 6, 2012 at 8:18 a.m.
fairmon said...

ml said..

Romney practically disavowed the whole GOP platform

ML, will you please continue with examples? I am not familiar with the platform of either party.

October 6, 2012 at 8:22 a.m.
tipper said...

Love the conspiracy theory article. This coming from Jack Welch whose company, GE, built a $128 million plant in Ohio, 92% of it subsidized and paid for by the taxpayers through state income tax. That's how the corporate mob works. I still smell the stench of Karl Rove in this.

October 6, 2012 at 8:45 a.m.
rick1 said...

hobo said "People are hungry and it is not their fault. The rich republicans have taken the poor's money when Bush gave the rich republicans those tax cuts."

You mean those same tax cuts that are now Obama's tax cuts? Obama extended those tax rates after they expired at the end of 2010.

With what you are saying it is now the rich democrats who are now taking the poor's money when Obama gave the rich democrats those same tax cuts.

Typical liberal logic: The Bush tax cuts took money from the poor and benefited the rich republicans but when Obama signed the same tax rates into law no longer was money being taken from the poor and the rich republicans getting richer.

With that kind of thought process it is no wonder you are not ashame of being a democrat or a liberal.

October 6, 2012 at 8:58 a.m.
timbo said...

Well I am going to school you liberal idiots on "REALITY."

I guess it is "reality" to ignore a 16 trillion dollar debt by running 1 trillion dollar deficits.

I guess it is "reality" spending 90 billion on "GREEN" energy boondoggles while holding up real efforts at energy independence.

I guess it is "reality" lying about "Fast and Furious" and what just happened in Benghazi to our ambassador.

I guess it is "reality" ignoring the education failures of head start and other government intrusions into local government.

I guess it is "reality" raising taxes on small business, pissing us off, so we won't hire, eliminate our insurance coverage and cut back.

I guess Obamacare is "reality" which ignores market realities while making pie in the sky assumptions.

I guess it is "reality" putting college professors in charge of the economy. People who have absolutely no practical experience.

I guess it is "reality" electing a president with no experience at any job whatsoever except "community organizer" (whatever the hell that is).

I guess it is "reality" electing a president who couldn't get a job as a Walmart greeter.

I guess it is "reality to elect a president who is the biggest liar in political history.

I could go on and on and on...but I think you get my point.

If you want real "REALITY" we should elect a savvy, successful, organized businessman who has proven out in the world that he not only talks the talk, but walks the walk. Romney will begin to dismantle this insanity that started almost 4 years ago and get this country on the right path. It won't happen with a failed, not so bright, third rate law "professor" or the rest of you liberal idiots running anything.

October 6, 2012 at 9:03 a.m.
fairmon said...

Could it be that recent positive economic trends result from grid lock? The progress has been greater since the election in 2010 that brought it about than the prior two years when one party controlled both houses. History reveals the economy often suffers when one party controls both houses. Anyone could draw a trend line chart to make a convincing story that grid lock has done the job. It is hard to argue with the results and it does show who is POTUS is not as important as the make up of congress. See 1/3/2007 thru 1/3/2011 with each party holding the white house half of that period.

It has often been said that minimum or no government is the best governance. We may currently be as close to that ideal situation as possible except where congress has abidcated their responsibility by empowering some departments with spending and regulatory authority without congressional approval.

October 6, 2012 at 9:07 a.m.
patriot1 said...

Huckabee said on Fox this morning that Plugs Biden called Obama just before the debate and told him to "Win one for the gaffer"

October 6, 2012 at 9:15 a.m.
fairmon said...

Are we evolving to a Czarist form of government? Recent presidents, with congressional approval, have appointed several czars or a czar under another title with significant power and authority in some areas of government.

October 6, 2012 at 9:19 a.m.
alprova said...

patriot1 wrote: "Many in the leftist media cannot bring themselves to believe their man lost and that it wasn't even close."

Many right-wing Republican Romney rooters cannot bring themselves to believe their man won by coming out of his corner of the ring, making pokes and jabs that will ultimately prove the man to be a rather pitiful contestant who will wind up winning nothing in the end.

Clearly, there was no referee in that ring, which allowed Mitt Romney to turn that debate format into a fest full of half-truths, retractions of his past, an offering of more than a couple of outright lies, and a doubling down in his failure to provide details that people most definitely want to hear coming from the man.

Rather than to stick to the script that he has laid out over the past several months, the man acted as if he had a horrible case of amnesia, which seems to be a condition that Mitt Romney has been suffering for quite a few years.

When the going gets tough, there is no question that Mitt Romney certainly comes out fighting, but the damage that he tries to inflict on his opponents all to often winds up being a punch to his own face.

I'm betting that Mitt has wished more than once that he had never, ever mentioned Big Bird during that debate.

The format of this first debate most definitely favored Mitt Romney, and he triumphed a win. So what?

On October 16th, the moderator will be Candy Crowley, the format will be a town hall type meeting where the questions will focus on domestic and foreign issues. The questions will be coming from a pre-selected group of undecided voters.

You can bet that Mitt will be grilled on the details that he has thus far refused to reveal, and will likely be pressed to answer questions that he will not be comfortable answering.

Mitt will not get away with taking pokes and jabs at the President during the entire debate, as he did on Wednesday. If he provides vague and rhetorical responses, as I predict he will, the man might as well not be in the room, for people will definitely see right through him.

Next week's debate between the Vice-Presidential candidates will be most interesting. The right-wing rooters and perhaps Paul Ryan himself, are going to go into that debate full of piss and vinegar, thinking that there will be another slam-dunk.

Joe Biden is no pushover and has been in Washington for many years. He is extremely experienced when it comes to foreign affairs. Paul Ryan has no experience at all in that area.

I predict that Paul Ryan will most definitely be out of his element and he will not get away with taking the kind of jabs that he is known for inflicting on the campaign trail.

Underestimating the current Vice-President will not fare well for Mr. Ryan or his rooters.

October 6, 2012 at 9:22 a.m.
dude_abides said...

I think Clay expertly captures Obama's diffidence. His expression admits that he wasn't there to defend the truth. He needs to get in touch with his inner Edmund Burke, who, coincidentally, kind of resembles Joe Biden:

   http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_F2xmLAzQ8Ho/S_vy03fhnQI/AAAAAAAAFJc/17J-Pknsyfw/s1600/edmund+burke.jpg

"when bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle."

October 6, 2012 at 9:29 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

ALPO: Ryan will hand Plugs his butt. Plugs has ALWAYS been long on "look at me" emotion, but short on facts. His "long" career was based on seniority, not accomplishment. Hell, even most of his party laughs at him. Plugs has always loved mugging for the camera. That will be the only thing he gets pleasure from at the debate. Ryan will undress him. Sheesh, even the lame Palin waxed his fanny.

October 6, 2012 at 9:34 a.m.
alprova said...

rick1 wrote: "You mean those same tax cuts that are now Obama's tax cuts? Obama extended those tax rates after they expired at the end of 2010."

Obama did that all by his lonesome? Granted, the President absolutely was on board with not rocking the boat at that time, but you seem to forget that there are 535 people in Congress who ultimately made that decision.

"With that kind of thought process it is no wonder you are not ashame of being a democrat or a liberal."

Here's some Conservative logic for you to munch on.

Many of you fine folks just love to paint the President with a wide brush as a man who embraces redistribution of wealth and Socialism.

On the other hand, R&R have stated more than once that the middle class is suffering due to the policies of the President.

Which is it? If President Obama is so good at redistributing wealth, then why are those in the middle class living on less?

October 6, 2012 at 9:37 a.m.
fairmon said...

The VP debate may draw more viewers than the debate between Obama and Romney. It is like race car fans that watch to see a spectacular crash while saying they are watching the driver skills. Biden will disappoint them, he won't be the anticipated gaffer. He is a professional politician that can zig and zag like a champ. It wouldn't be surprising to see him shed tears and talk about how how hard the president works and how much they both care about everyone. Ryan is going in the ring against a seasoned pro. Ryan is like an amateur playing in the masters dreaming of winning but lucky to finish higher than last.

October 6, 2012 at 9:43 a.m.
dude_abides said...

Jack_, Biden is by far the closest thing in this whole enterprise to you. I know you don't like Obama (he's black), I know you didn't want Mitt to win the nomination (Mormon, etc.), and you can't possibly like that yuppie yankee Ryan (who dated a black woman :0), so that leaves 'Regular' Joe Biden! He's the ONLY person on either ticket you could really relate to! He's the only one that would look ole Jack_ in the eye. You're erasing your own demographic from the race, Jack_!

One note... please refrain from referencing men having their "fannies waxed." Especially after mentioning that Ryan would "undress him!" See how this world is running past you and ole Joe?

October 6, 2012 at 9:51 a.m.
mymy said...

31 Days to Go!

It is still the economy/jobs/foreign policy/direction of country/National Security here/abroad and the growing debt.

Tick, Tock, Tick, Tock

When reality is hitting them in the face, it is obvious the Liberals can’t see/understand it.

With a leader in the White House we would not be facing today’s Obama Deadlock in Congress!!!

One Reality:

No Super Committee, no sequestration = the consequences:

Amid anxiety about defense cuts, states brace for the other $500B hit

Deadlocked lawmakers and defense contractors alike have been raising alarm about the more than half-trillion dollars in defense cuts poised to take effect starting in January because of Congress' failure to reach a more balanced deficit-reduction deal.

But there's another side to that budget ax that rarely gets mentioned -- another $500 billion in non-defense cuts that could do serious damage to education, research, safety net and other programs.

All those areas would be cut by nearly 8 percent over the next 10 years. Washington has already signaled drastic consequences for the automatic, across-the-board cuts known as sequestration, including the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office which says the cuts could stunt economic growth, increase unemployment and send the country into another recession.

But state officials are also living in a state of uncertainty and anxiety over the non-defense cuts, as they consider where to find the money to cover the planned reduction in federal support.

“There is a lot of uncertainty,” said Scott B. Pattison, executive director of the National Association of State Budget Officers. “States are waiting to see. And in some cases they might just have to say ‘Sorry, we no longer have any money'” for that program.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/06/amid-anxiety-about-defense-cuts-states-await-other-500-billion-hit/#ixzz28WjmR7Q7

Romney/Ryan 2012

October 6, 2012 at 9:59 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

dude_: There you go again. The first three (?) sentence are lies. ( I say 3 because that second sentence was longer than the one given to Madoff). But that's your game. Lies in an attempt to be glib. Be proud, Comrade.

October 6, 2012 at 10:01 a.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said....

On October 16th, the moderator will be Candy Crowley, the format will be a town hall type meeting where the questions will focus on domestic and foreign issues. The questions will be coming from a pre-selected group of undecided voters.

You are probably right, Romney is about to get a butt kicking. I can't imagine how his handlers agreed to Crowley as the moderator. Any idea who is pre-selecting the supposedly undecided voters? Who screens or approves the questions they will be asking? Keep in mind Obama will not be exposed to high altitudes, he will be on his home turf at approximately 16 ft above sea level.

October 6, 2012 at 10:03 a.m.
fairmon said...

mymy posted....

There is a lot of uncertainty,” said Scott B. Pattison, executive director of the National Association of State Budget Officers. “States are waiting to see. And in some cases they might just have to say ‘Sorry, we no longer have any money'” for that program.

mymy as you know neither does the federal government that is borrowing over forty cents of every dollar spent. It is going to be painful now or even more painful later. Allowing the "temporary" tax cuts to expire and reducing spending is not a bad thing to have happen. There is not one government department that cannot reduce spending twenty percent without reducing services if they had someone in charge that could manage their way out of a paper bag. The entire government could be restructured and trimmed down without loss of services if members of congress did not have a vested interest in protecting those they are obligated to and favor.

October 6, 2012 at 10:12 a.m.
mymy said...

The Pinocchio Test

Team Obama, scrambling to regain solid footing after Wednesday’s debate debacle, has switched attack targets.

Mitt Romney the extremist is out.

Mitt Romney the liar is in.

Chief campaign strategist David Axelrod complimented Romney’s “vigorous performance” — but added that it was “one that was devoid of honesty.”

Really. Axelrod talking “honesty.”

It may be true that a lie told often enough will be believed, a point so amusingly made by Romney during the debate.

But truth eventually outs, and voters aren’t as dumb as Axelrod seems to think.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/editorials/pinocchio_for_president_Epf6jOEHfdq8N0pXc1RsaJ

October 6, 2012 at 10:18 a.m.
hobo said...

hey alprova president Obama did say he was going to redistribute the wealth. He told Job a plumber that he was going to redistribute the wealth. That was why I voted for president Obama. He just started redistributing the wealth so now he needs to finish the job. 4 more years, 4 more years.

October 6, 2012 at 10:21 a.m.
mymy said...

Harp: Asking the taxpayer to fund government inefficiency is not the answer. Need real leadership to clean out a government that has become too large with wasteful spending. I think Romney, if anybody, is more up to the job with his background.

October 6, 2012 at 10:27 a.m.
fairmon said...

alprova ask...

Which is it? If President Obama is so good at redistributing wealth, then why are those in the middle class living on less?

Who said he was good at it. Could it be he is taking from the middle class and giving to those above and below what is viewed as the middle class? Could he be the cause of America being viewed as a country of the haves (wealthy) and the have nots (needing government assistance)? Not a bad strategy both parties use, the wealthy to fund your campaigns and the dependent to vote for you. It is only a matter of convincing those dependent which will give them more thus the term "I will fight for you".

October 6, 2012 at 10:29 a.m.
mymy said...

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October 6, 2012 at 10:29 a.m.
dude_abides said...

Jack_, that's twice you've accused me of attempting to be glib. PLEASE look the word up. Nobody would attempt to be glib. Could one infer (I infer, Jack_ implies. LOL) that you believe that Madoff's sentence was exorbitant?

October 6, 2012 at 10:40 a.m.
fairmon said...

mymy said... Harp: Asking the taxpayer to fund government inefficiency is not the answer. Need real leadership to clean out a government that has become too large with wasteful spending. I think Romney, if anybody, is more up to the job with his background.

mymy I repeat....mymy as you know neither does the federal government that is borrowing over forty cents of every dollar spent. It is going to be painful now or even more painful later. Allowing the "temporary" tax cuts to expire and reducing spending is not a bad thing to have happen. There is not one government department that cannot reduce spending twenty percent without reducing services if they had someone in charge that could manage their way out of a paper bag. The entire government could be restructured and trimmed down without loss of services if members of congress did not have a vested interest in protecting those they are obligated to and favor.

It is too bad Gary Johnson who has proven as governor he can do it is not being given any consideration or opportunity. Congress with no term limits makes it nearly impossible for any president to fix anything.

October 6, 2012 at 10:41 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

dude_: That's right, dude. Dodge the post.

October 6, 2012 at 10:45 a.m.
mymy said...

Harp: Johnson is not one of the choices. A vote for Johnson is a vote for Obama!!!!

October 6, 2012 at 10:53 a.m.
rolando said...

"Are we evolving to a Czarist form of government?"

No, harp, we are going Communist. But so far as the rulers and the peasants/serfs go, there is not much difference. And that is all we will have -- that and raped resources.

October 6, 2012 at 11:02 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Snoop: Makes me want to vote for the Organizer. http://instagram.com/p/QYGWYpP9Pd/

October 6, 2012 at 11:32 a.m.
prairie_dog said...

Liberals want to believe in Santa Claus, except they don't want to believe in anything that isn't handing out money they've confiscated from working people.

Government has become a ruling class instead of an organization elected by the people to provide the benefits of civilization outlined in the Constitution.

Things won't start to improve until we have a president in office who is hated by ultra-conservatives and ultra-liberals. Might as well be Mitt Romney.

The thing that struck me the other night during the debate was that Obama is like a guy who knows 2 or 3 facts and thinks that's enough. He wants a dashboard where he can read 2 or 3 gauges and know how everything is going. Romney is like the guy who can read the dashboard and understand what that information means in terms of what's happening to the engine. The difference is EXPERIENCE outside of government and law school.

October 6, 2012 at 12:04 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

not much of a race mymy.

October 6, 2012 at 12:04 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Is it just me, or is Obama always just standing there looking like an idiot in every cartoon portrayal by Bennett?

October 6, 2012 at 12:28 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

mymy said... "Johnson is not one of the choices. A vote for Johnson is a vote for Obama!!!!"

No, a vote for Johnson is a vote for someone you can believe in. Don't you ever get sick of voting for the lesser of two evils? I held my nose and voted for McCain last go around and I have felt dirty ever since. What did I get out of that vote? I was saddled with a lingering feeling of disappointment over abandoning my principles.

October 6, 2012 at 12:32 p.m.
dude_abides said...

It's just you, BRP. You're projecting. Go back to bed.

October 6, 2012 at 12:32 p.m.
fairmon said...

mymy said...

Harp: Johnson is not one of the choices. A vote for Johnson is a vote for Obama!!!!

mymy it could be. I guess you can count me as an Obama vote by default. I refuse to select between two evils that will not matter much in the long run. Until the masses realize local and state governments will have to reduce their elaborate country club behavior and pick up the slack once the federal government stops propping them up with massive amounts of borrowed money things will deteriorate further.

Only a few of the most ignorant in D.C. think 1 trillion annual deficits and increasing debt is good and sustainable. Waters from CA. and the congressman from GA. that thought more troops on Guam may tilt the island and make it sink are examples of the ignorant that have not a clue what is happening to the country. Others will do or say anything to retain their position.

October 6, 2012 at 12:37 p.m.
rick1 said...

Al, said Obama did that all by his lonesome? Granted, the President absolutely was on board with not rocking the boat at that time, but you seem to forget that there are 535 people in Congress who ultimately made that decision.

Was Obama forced to sign the existing tax rate into law for another two years? Where was Nanacy and Harry when they had full control? Oh yeah they were ramming health care down our throat. Once again you make excuses for Obama.

Al said "Here's some Conservative logic for you to munch on." "Many of you fine folks just love to paint the President with a wide brush as a man who embraces redistribution of wealth and Socialism."

"On the other hand, R&R have stated more than once that the middle class is suffering due to the policies of the President."

Al, "The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill

October 6, 2012 at 1:06 p.m.
mymy said...

I held my nose and voted for McCain knowing whoever the Republican party candidate was the circumstances in the country assured a Democratic win. Well, we have had that "experiment" down the road to socialism or ....... whatever and it is not working.

It's a new day with a President with a bad recording doing whatever to win again. Let's see what the American people do this time. It will be very telling about the country as a whole.

PS Do not have to hold my nose this time!!!!

Romney/Ryan 2012

October 6, 2012 at 1:09 p.m.
rick1 said...

hobo said, "hey alprova president Obama did say he was going to redistribute the wealth. He told Job a plumber that he was going to redistribute the wealth. That was why I voted for president Obama. He just started redistributing the wealth so now he needs to finish the job. 4 more years, 4 more years."

hobo are you a producer or a moocher? If you are a producer then by all means why don't freely give more of your own money to those who do not make as much as you.

If you are a moocher then go to Al and get a job. He said he said in a privious post he pays his employees beetwen between $11.39 and $15.00 plus dollars an hour depending on how well they do including a bonous.

Hey Al, do you pay your employees the same salary as you pay yourself? As you liberals say if it wasn't for the worker the business wouldn't be operating.

October 6, 2012 at 1:15 p.m.
dude_abides said...

rick1... when is the next chapter of "Gullible's Travels" being released?

October 6, 2012 at 1:52 p.m.

Mitt Romney DOES feel entitled to his own truth and reality.

October 6, 2012 at 1:56 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

rick1: good stuff

October 6, 2012 at 1:57 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Jack_, hobo must be your invention. We'll all be watching for misspelling consistencies, similar phraseology, etc. I'll bet old hobo just wanders on down the tracks before too long. lol Jack_'s in timbo limbo.

October 6, 2012 at 2:07 p.m.
miraweb said...

TQQ writes:

" . . . economic growth could fill $53 billion of that $86 billion hole."

Still waiting for the magical economic growth fairy to make the numbers work. And even with that there is a hole the size of 73 PBSes.

And at the same time Romney is going to increase military spending, cut taxes, and keep his hands off Medicare?

No amount of alpha dog bluster makes those numbers work.

The math just isn't there.

October 6, 2012 at 3:53 p.m.
miraweb said...

JR - or as the rest of the world calls it the "American Right" and the "American Far Right" parties.

We haven't had a "left" leaning party for some decades.

Also, JR - those imaginary polls you've been watching don't seem to match up with the real ones. Obama lost 2 points in the debate. Romney gained 1. Not enough to close the gap.

Imaginary polls, imaginary economics, and imaginary policies that change with the wind.

Is that really worth your vote?

October 6, 2012 at 3:56 p.m.
miraweb said...

That's exactly what Romney said in the debate, JR.

October 6, 2012 at 4 p.m.
miraweb said...

mymy said... "Johnson is not one of the choices. A vote for Johnson is a vote for Obama!!!!"

I realize this is not what a party hack wants to hear four weeks before the election - but Romney's "etch-a-sketch" dash to the left will lose voters from the libertarian and tea party wings on the right.

It's kind of like expecting your old girlfriend will keep Friday nights open -- in case the new girlfriend doesn't work out.

Elections hath no fury like a libertarian scorned.

October 6, 2012 at 4:10 p.m.
miraweb said...

You've got google, JR - go for it.

October 6, 2012 at 4:13 p.m.
miraweb said...

There is only one equation that matters:

Job growth = reducing federal spending + raising federal revenues + fixing housing

Any other plan is a fantasy.

October 6, 2012 at 4:18 p.m.
miraweb said...

JR - you are aware that Romney and Obama went to the same law school, right?

October 6, 2012 at 4:21 p.m.
miraweb said...

If you're willing to risk the economy on fantasy politics created by a guy tied hand and foot to Wall Street, then Mitt is absolutely your guy.

I am concerned that Mitt only seems to have discovered that there is a middle and working class in this country in the past three weeks.

He's not too sure how "you people" - as Ann calls them - live your lives but, gosh, he sure wants your votes.

October 6, 2012 at 4:45 p.m.
fairmon said...

miraweb said...

Romney will lose voters from the libertarian and tea party wings on the right.

You obviously know little or nothing about the libertarian smaller central government fiscally conservative socially liberal ideology. You apparently have never reviewed the fair tax proposals HR25 and SB13 which redistributes wealth and fairly taxes every citizen. I am not a tea party supporter but would prefer them over Obama. Chavez and Putin think Obama is our best choice, there is a clue in there somewhere.

October 6, 2012 at 5:04 p.m.
fairmon said...

tu_quoque posted photo....

Hillary Hungrily Eyeballs Her Next Meal:

That is an interesting photo. It appears there is a desire to do more than just look. You never know but if looks are any indication there could be another scandal in the making.

October 6, 2012 at 5:14 p.m.
miraweb said...

I see many libertarians asking why electing Republicans always seems to make government larger and more expensive.

And they are right.

I'm only impressed when Congress passes a law. Bills may be full of sound and fury - but if they don't become law, they signify nothing.

The Congress has wasted far to much time on "political" bills designed to look good on campaign flyers but that do nothing to help the country.

Each bill costs millions, whether or not it becomes law.

There seems to be this idea that if something is hard to do, the it must be worth doing. Many hard things are a complete waste of time.

A bill that doesn't become law is just a piece of paper.

Nothing more. Nothing less.

October 6, 2012 at 5:15 p.m.
miraweb said...

TQQ - Politics have "ploys".

Economies have crashes.

It is a very important distinction. You may disagree with the law of gravity, but jumping off a building will still land you in a world of hurt.

October 6, 2012 at 5:17 p.m.
hobo said...

hey Rick I am not a moocher. I have paid taxes just like every one else. And even when I was railroading I always offered to work for any help I got. You don't know anything about me.

October 6, 2012 at 5:18 p.m.
fairmon said...

miraweb said...

I see many libertarians asking why electing Republicans always seems to make government larger and more expensive.

To be accurate you need to say why libertarians wonder why electing republicans or democrats results in bigger government and then say they are right, it always does.

I do wonder when some people would think government is big enough and controlling enough?

October 6, 2012 at 5:19 p.m.
miraweb said...

Fair enough, harp.

October 6, 2012 at 5:20 p.m.
miraweb said...

Keep your day job, TQQ - I don't think the comedy clubs are quite ready for your clever, clever wit.

It does give me a laugh whenever someone says they are voting for Romney because they are afraid of "elitists" taking over.

I know it can be hard to hold a thought from the beginning of sentence all the way to the end, but give it a shot sometime. It might surprise you.

October 6, 2012 at 5:29 p.m.
ricardo said...

tu_quoque said..."The difference is that Romney wore his magic underwear to class"

October 6, 2012 at 5:48 p.m.
miraweb said...

I know TQQ has trouble with numbers - (47, 7.8, 181 million) so, TQQ dear, don't worry your pretty little head about this one:

If you take the basic equation:

Job growth = reducing federal spending + raising federal revenues + fixing housing

Then you adjust it for RomneyWorld by replacing revenue with "magical job growth fairy dust."

Job growth = reducing federal spending + Job Growth + fixing housing

Then you do the math:

Job growth - job growth = reducing federal spending + fixing housing.

The result is:

0 = reducing federal spending + fixing housing

If you don't fix housing, the result is less than zero.

Probably too wonky for a Saturday night. :-)

October 6, 2012 at 6:02 p.m.
ricardo said...

mira- tu_cocques does not have that many fingers and toes to count that high.

October 6, 2012 at 6:12 p.m.
ricardo said...

And don't forget one more important date: 1/20/2013, the day Obama is sworn in for another 4 years.

October 6, 2012 at 6:18 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Seems the Obama campaign are the liars.

Cutter Concedes $5 Trillion Attack On Romney Is Not True

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoEmGHJiqOc&feature=related

October 6, 2012 at 6:32 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Bill Maher thinks the choom gang may still be alive and well.

Big Super PAC Donor on Obama: 'Looks Like He Took My Million and Spent it All on Weed'

"I'm sorry, he sucked," said Maher last night. "He looked tired. He had trouble getting his answers out. Looks like he took my million and spent it all on weed!"

Maher has given a million dollars to support President Obama's super PAC.

October 6, 2012 at 6:39 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

CBO Puts 2012 Deficit at $1.1 Trillion

http://www.cnbc.com/id/49306231

Obama spends like a teenager with a credit card. And how you liberals out there could possibly think this is being financially responsible is beyond comprehension.

The liberal child indoctrination centers that you attended really did a number on you people.

Tell us mira and alpo, just how is blowing a trillion dollars a year a good and sustainable policy?

October 6, 2012 at 6:48 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

And I also believe that the reason Obama looked frustrated was because he believes that he is above having to go through this reelection crap.

It seems he feels he shouldn't have to endure this demeaning act of defending himself or his socialist dreams for America.

After all, he is the messiah and he should be bowed to and acknowledged as the supreme leader.

Having to actually fight for his cushy lifestyle is beneath him. In his own little mind, of course.

October 6, 2012 at 6:55 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

In reality, most of the drop in the unemployment rate since its 2009 peak is due to a decline in the labor force.

In fact, according to Zero Hedge, the real unemployment rate is currently 11.7 percent.

As such, if the media did a better job reporting the truth about the jobs numbers, one quite imagines Obama wouldn't be doing nearly as well in the polls.

October 6, 2012 at 7:01 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

All this in just four years! WHEW!!

near record unemployment, unprecedented downgrades of US credit, record high gas prices, dilution of US power worldwide giving rise to anarchy in the middle east, association with the Muslim Brotherhood and worst relationship with Israel for any president, record food stamp participation, record extensions to unemployment, record welfare participation, record increases in pay for Federal Workers, record increase in use of limousines by Federal Gov., record number of executive orders, most executive orders counter to the US constitution, miserable foreign policy, record debt added with no supporting financial success, record number of statements blaming previous president in history of American Presidents, highest vacation expenditures on taxpayer dollar in history, most fundraising appearances in first four years in history, most rounds of golf in first term in history, most czars appointed in first term......

October 6, 2012 at 7:08 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

From CBS's "This Morning": Norah O'Donnell: "Some Democrats say [Obama's] campaign needs a wake-up call. Bill Plante is here with that part of the story. Bill, you've been talking to your sources; what are they saying? Correspondent Bill Plante: "Well Norah, they're simply upset and really outraged. They blame the President's team, first of all, for not preparing him to meet the challenge of an aggressive Mitt Romney. They say that nobody in the room challenged him, including the guy that he was debating with, John Kerry, because, as they say, he wants to be Secretary of State so he's not going to get in the President's face. And Presidents are used to deference; they're not used to people challenging them like that. So they think that the debate prep was terrible, but they also fault the President himself for not understanding that Romney was going to be more aggressive." NOW THEY'RE BLAMING KERRY!! Trouble in River City. Bwahahaha

October 6, 2012 at 7:22 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Weeks before the presidential election, President Barack Obama’s administration faces mounting opposition from within the ranks of U.S. intelligence agencies over what career officers say is a “cover up” of intelligence information about terrorism in North Africa.

http://freebeacon.com/revolt-of-the-spooks/

October 6, 2012 at 7:31 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Jack: According to liberals, Obama cannot POSSIBLY be blamed for ANYTHING!! PERIOD!! Anything that goes wrong MUST be someone else's fault. I'm still waiting for them to find a way to make this Bush's fault.

October 6, 2012 at 7:38 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

The blame game:

From 'Hope' to Hypocrisy: Excuses, Excuses

October 6, 2012 at 7:56 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

The Blamer In Chief Obama Blames Everyone Other Than Himself - YouTube.flv

A must see for the whole family!

October 6, 2012 at 7:57 p.m.
miraweb said...

THe only stories here that are getting "legs" are the ones Faux and Friends have sewn legs to with their Igors down in the dungeons.

Stitch witchery is not the same thing as journalism -though it can be entertaining in its own way.

October 6, 2012 at 8:04 p.m.
miraweb said...

Like the actual milk cartoon that was circulating in Mass when Romney took an 18 month holiday as governor?

October 6, 2012 at 8:09 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

So you believe PMSnbc is true journalism?

October 6, 2012 at 8:21 p.m.
fairmon said...

A corporate CEO would say to each department head as congress should say to those being funded. Your budget is frozen at current minus 10% until revenue excceds spending by 2%....Some of you will need to consider other career options, your department will be down sized or closed.

October 6, 2012 at 8:21 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Fewer people looking for work + fewer available jobs = LOWER UNEMPLOYMENT.

What a way to bring the unemployment rate down!

October 6, 2012 at 8:45 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Obama Wanted High Gas Prices...Gradually (2008 Election Campaign)

All this from a guy who wouldn't even know how to operate a gas pump. You liberals are fools.

October 6, 2012 at 8:53 p.m.
ricardo said...

Fewer people looking for work = More jobs, dimwit

October 6, 2012 at 8:59 p.m.
TOES02800 said...
  • fewer available jobs, jackoff
October 6, 2012 at 9:41 p.m.
alprova said...

JonRoss wrote: "All polling shows now that Romney will be the winner of the election."

I have no idea where you get that information from, but I assure you that Mitt Romney isn't even close to winning the election.

The only state in which Romney is currently leading in is North Carolina, and that is by eight-tenths of a percent.

Mitt Romney hasn't captured a state in more than two months. Obama's lead has tightened ever so slightly, but he still has an 80% chance of winning reelection to a second term. Mitt has an 18% chance of winning.

Colorado - Obama leads by 1 point.

Ohio - Obama leads by three points.

Virginia - Obama leads by 2 points.

Florida is all tied up at the moment.

That is the result of 64 polls taken over the past few days in the swing states of people who have responded that they will definitely be voting next month.

Gallup still shows Obama up by 3 points in their national polling.

October 6, 2012 at 9:46 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

2 million less jobs since Obama took over. So by not having all of those available jobs anymore to fill, the unemployment number drops. At the same time, those people that run out of unemployment benefits (99 weeks are up), and still are not working, are no longer counted as the unemployed. Again, the unemployment rate falls.

So once again, the Obama number fudgers found a way to make a stinking job market smell like roses. And just in time for reelection! Huh..yet another magical coincidence for the Obama team.

October 6, 2012 at 9:55 p.m.
alprova said...

Miraweb wrote: "And at the same time Romney is going to increase military spending, cut taxes, and keep his hands off Medicare?"

JonRoss wrote: "miraweb your pronouncements are Obamist yap yap and nothing based in anything Romney has ever said. Prove it miraweb. You can't."

I can.

http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/10/04/960551/romney-debate-military-spending/

http://money.cnn.com/2012/05/10/news/economy/romney-defense-spending/index.htm

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203388804576616841644878336.html

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/oct/05/barack-obama/obama-says-romney-would-spend-2-trilllion-military/

October 6, 2012 at 10:01 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Alpo grovels:

Gallup still shows Obama up by 3 points in their national polling.

WOW!! A whole three points!! Romney just has NO chance!!

Get real.

October 6, 2012 at 10:01 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

So what if Romney spends $2 trillion on the military. At least we'll have something to show for it. Obama spends almost $6 trillion in four years and we get nothing! Democrats actually jumping for joy over a lousy 7.8% falsified unemployment rate.

WOOOOOHOOOO!! CELEBRATION JUBILEE!!

October 6, 2012 at 10:07 p.m.
alprova said...

TOES02800 wrote: "WOW!! A whole three points!! Romney just has NO chance!! Get real."

Mitt is not going to win, no matter what. I mentioned Gallup, because a lot of people put stock in them.

I have seen and certified direct data from 64 polls taken over the last 48 hours. Obama's lead has lessened ever so slightly, but he is still ahead and it has been predicted that he will remain in the lead up to election day.

Mitt did get a small boost for his debate performance, but nowhere near enough to put him over the top.

The jobs numbers have already began to erase Mitt's temporary jump. By Tuesday or so, the picture will be much more clear.

It's not in the bag yet, but Mitt will not win the next debate, for the format does not favor him at all. He's going to face some very tough questions on October the 16th.

Gallup has selected a group of people who are on the fence, and they will be grilling both candidates on the issues. Mitt's going to have to provide those elusive details that he has been refusing to deliver, or he will not come away with a win on that day.

October 6, 2012 at 10:18 p.m.
alprova said...

TOES02800 wrote: "So what if Romney spends $2 trillion on the military. At least we'll have something to show for it."

Uh huh. The military needs to be trimmed to about half of what it is now. The military needs to be used only in the defense of this country...period.

"Obama spends almost $6 trillion in four years and we get nothing!"

That's a patently false statement. You probably got nothing, but there are plenty of people who directly benefited by what was spent, including the military personnel currently on staff.

"Democrats actually jumping for joy over a lousy 7.8% falsified unemployment rate."

You nor any other wing-flapper can't begin to prove that the BLS figures are false, but you are certainly free to do so, and I challenge you to do so.

October 6, 2012 at 10:25 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

ALPO = The Certifier Mwahahahahaha

October 6, 2012 at 10:38 p.m.
alprova said...

rick1 wrote: "Was Obama forced to sign the existing tax rate into law for another two years?"

No, but he couldn't sign anything until it was debated and passed by Congress. 535 people made that decision before the President made his.

"Once again you make excuses for Obama."

Not at all. Just keeping things real. The President didn't extend those tax cuts by himself. In fact, without Congress, he couldn't have done it at all.

October 6, 2012 at 10:39 p.m.
alprova said...

rick1 wrote: "Hey Al, do you pay your employees the same salary as you pay yourself? As you liberals say if it wasn't for the worker the business wouldn't be operating."

Not many businesses would be able to survive without good employees to run them. No man is an island of his own.

After expenses, as a matter of fact, I do come very close to splitting the bounty equally with my employees. I'm still building inventory, so at times, I get less than an equal split.

I have no secrets from so much as one of my employees. They know everything I know about the business, right down to every penny that flows in and out.

I don't do this because I am a Liberal. I do this because it allows me to hire the absolute best people on the planet to help me build a great and profitable business.

September ended as the most profitable month since I opened. Today, I ended this week with the highest weekly net revenue since I opened.

My employees and I were most pleased with the split.

October 6, 2012 at 10:57 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

ALPO: We. Don't. Care.

October 6, 2012 at 11:50 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Romney leads Obama by two percent in national poll, two thirds of which was conducted after debate

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/romney_leads_obama_by_two_percent_GFK2swe14og9oJa7uBFwzK

October 7, 2012 at 12:55 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

C'mon people!Nobody should believe this crap about alpo being a "business man" and his "employees" and "today" he "ended the week blah blah blah.......". This guy is full of number two.

October 7, 2012 at 12:57 a.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said.....

Gallup still shows Obama up by 3 points in their national polling.

Is the margin of error plus or minus 5% or 3%? Most polls are based on the same turn out etc. as the last election. Does the margin of error combined with dis-enfranchised voters due to requiring an I.D. mean a possible Romney win? I assume no poll shows Johnson's #'s?

October 7, 2012 at 3:54 a.m.
fairmon said...

The only debate that means anything is the last one. You can bet with the moderator and media that Obama will win that one as big or bigger than Romney won the first one. It is likely that Obama and his folks will have 2X the money to spend as the Romney camp. 7 out of 8 times the challenger of an incumbent POTUS won the 1st debate then lost the last one and the election.

October 7, 2012 at 4:02 a.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said....

September ended as the most profitable month since I opened. Today, I ended this week with the highest weekly net revenue since I opened.

Sounds like a brick and mortar operation, not on line sales? Do you manufacture a product? Distribute a product? Retail sales? A service business? Or, all of the above? Is the product or products imported or made in America? Is demand strictly local or wider? Is the product long life or a short term repeat business? Is it a high margin little to no competition business or a low margin volume dependent operation with significant competition?

October 7, 2012 at 4:21 a.m.
alprova said...

Harp3339 wrote: "Sounds like a brick and mortar operation, not on line sales?"

Actually, I do both.

"Do you manufacture a product?"

No.

"Distribute a product?"

Yes.

"Retail sales?"

Yes.

"A service business?"

Yes also.

"Is the product or products imported or made in America?"

95% American made.

"Is demand strictly local or wider?"

80% local. 20% national.

"Is the product long life or a short term repeat business?"

Long life.

"Is it a high margin little to no competition business or a low margin volume dependent operation with significant competition?"

High margin, significant competition.

October 7, 2012 at 5:43 a.m.
alprova said...

Jack_Dennis wrote: "ALPO: We. Don't. Care."

You meant to type that I. Don't. Care., didn't you?

Or did I miss the vote by all of the regular members of this forum, appointing you spokesman for everyone?

Now take a time out and type 1,000 times, "In the future, I will not take it upon myself to represent the opinions of others."

October 7, 2012 at 5:52 a.m.
patriot1 said...

Jack has my vote....feel free to use "we"

October 7, 2012 at 6:42 a.m.
alprova said...

TOES02800 wrote: "C'mon people!Nobody should believe this crap about alpo being a "business man" and his "employees" and "today" he "ended the week blah blah blah.......". This guy is full of number two."

Sir, you're free to believe whatever you so desire. I'll not be losing one minute's sleep over any opinion, belief, or disbelief that you express about myself or anyone else.

Are you attempting to form a union? Why do you feel it necessary to launch an offensive attack in my direction by pathetically requesting that people to side with you?

"C'mon people!..."

Are you unable to hold your own as a wing-flapping, right-wing, anti-Obama mud-slinging, Mitt Romney/Paul Ryan roto-rooter?

October 7, 2012 at 6:46 a.m.
ricardo said...

TOECHEESE said..."WOW!! A whole three points!! Romney just has NO chance!!"

He never did. The poll numbers aren't showing the post-debate bump that you wingnuts had hoped for. Romney can't even beat Obama in the polls after his worst debate performance. Just wait until Obama brings his A-game to the next debate.

October 7, 2012 at 7:44 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

ALPO: Do you run a boiler room? Are you aware of the "do not call list'? Are your hundreds of employees represented by a union?

October 7, 2012 at 8:11 a.m.
conservative said...

The Way of the Righteous and the Wicked

Blessed is the man who walks not in the counsel of the wicked, nor stands in the way of sinners, nor sits in the seat of scoffers; but his delight is in the law of the Lord, and on his law he meditates day and night.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..

October 7, 2012 at 8:12 a.m.
jesse said...

If Obama has an A game it certainly hasn't been evident the last 3 years!

the prob. is Obama at his best is about a B-,Romney is a C.

October 7, 2012 at 8:16 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

BHO (peace be upon him) is headed to Hollywood to regain his bearings..... President Barack Obama returns to Los Angeles Sunday for a star-bedecked celebrity concert and fundraising dinner. In the wake of his Denver debate troubles, however, the long scheduled visit has acquired another, equally urgent purpose—reassuring his Hollywood supporters that he's fighting to win the race and he's poised for a comeback in the next televised forum with former Gov. Mitt Romney NOW THAT"S FUNNY

October 7, 2012 at 8:17 a.m.
ricardo said...

jesse said..."the prob. is Obama at his best is about a B-,Romney is a C."

Yes, I can see how that's a big problem for Romney and you conservatards.

October 7, 2012 at 8:18 a.m.
ricardo said...

McCain: "Don't count Obama out. He is very good."

http://www.usatoday.com/media/cinematic/video/1614711/

October 7, 2012 at 8:30 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

The Way of the Righteous and the Wicked

Blessed is the man who walks not in the counsel of the wicked, nor stands in the way of sinners, nor sits in the seat of scoffers; but his delight is in the law of the Lord, and on his law he meditates day and night.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..

Since you seem to be posting this on every thread, I am curious: what do you hope to achieve? Or have you simply dropped off the deep end?

October 7, 2012 at 8:40 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Keep believing retardo!! And just remember...you're special.

October 7, 2012 at 9:02 a.m.
mymy said...

30 Days to Go!

It is still the economy/jobs/foreign policy/direction of country/National Security here/abroad and the growing debt.

Tick, Tock, Tick, Tock

"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting an inexperienced man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama Presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their President. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America . Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their President."

October 7, 2012 at 9:04 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

^^^^^^^key points, mymy.

October 7, 2012 at 9:32 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

The comments are pertinent to the cartoon. It must be just awesome to predict the future!

October 7, 2012 at 10:27 a.m.
dude_abides said...

Mr. Etch-A-Stench taking the flip-flop road and saying he was totally wrong with regard to his 47% statement doesn't take away the fact that he said it! I suppose all the right wing pigs here who defended his statement are fine with his peeling off down a side street while your silly parade marches along the boulevard.

October 7, 2012 at 10:37 a.m.
dude_abides said...

• Mormons say faith founder Joseph Smith taught that the Garden of Eden was somewhere in the area of Daviess County, Mo., but acknowledge they "do not know exactly where the original site" is.

• Latter-day Saints do not embrace the creeds central to many other Christian churches.

Chattanooga-area evangelical church pastors may believe the Mormon faith is a cult and may not consider Gov. Mitt Romney a Christian, but they said that won't stop them from considering a vote for him in next month's presidential election.

While members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints consider themselves Christians, several local evangelical pastors do not.

"Mormonism is a cult," said Jeremy Roberts, pastor of Highland Park Baptist Church. "Mormons are polytheistic universalists who deny that Jesus is the eternal son of God." "However", he said... LOL

Shoap said whether Mormonism is called a cult or sect or something else, it is not biblical, historical, orthodox Christianity.

"I put Mr. Romney in the same large boat of well-meaning people who are looking to their own works for salvation, rather than the finished work of Christ," he said. "He seems like a good guy who loves his family and seeks to do good. But if he holds to what the Mormon church teaches, I can't in good conscience call him a Christian."

"I'd rather vote for a member of a cult who will prevent the murder of babies in the womb," said Roberts, "than for a president who would appoint a Supreme Court justice to uphold the legalization of [abortion]."

October 7, 2012 at 10:54 a.m.
joneses said...

If Hussein Obama said 4 years ago during his campaign that he was going to add 6 trillion dollars to the debt with nothing to show for it, extend the Bush tax cuts, make more people dependent on government for their basic needs, continue to make America more dependent on our enemies for our energy needs, spend 90 billion dollars of tax payer money on failed green energy companies, have the largest tax increase (obamacare mandate) since the implementation of the income tax, socialize 1/5th of our economy(obamacare) by placing the entire health care industry under government control, increase American fatalities in Afghanistan by 66%, promise to keep Gitmo opened, release terrorist at Gitmo to the Taliban so they can kill more American soldiers, give 50 billion dollars to GM to save the UAW, be responsible for the highest gasoline prices in the history of our nation, loose the credit rating of the United States for the first time ever, bow to our enemies, host a dinner for the Muslim Brotherhood, a terrorist organization, at the White House, tell Russia he will satisfy their concerns of our missile defense system if he still occupies the White House 4 more years, and turn his back on Israel, would you have voted for this incompetent fool? I am sure the Kool Aid drinkers on here will say yes as they will follow Hussein Obama off a cliff if asked to do so.

Hussein obama's resume was not worth a crap when he was running for election the first time and it has only gotten worst.

October 7, 2012 at 11:05 a.m.
dude_abides said...

Looks like a large number of Christians nationwide are going to toss their Bibles in the trunk, like a spiritual spare tire, and drive to the ballot box. They can always dust them back off when it's convenient. Would these be the same Christians who have had such a problem with their doubts about the President's Christian beliefs?

October 7, 2012 at 11:08 a.m.
joneses said...

Hey ricardo, what has this fool obama done that is so great that keeps your head up his ass?

October 7, 2012 at 11:08 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Is that almost like Obama saying he's for redistributing wealth?

Or how about when he said he wants gas prices to go higher?

Or like when he said the price of energy would "necessarily skyrocket" under his plans?

Or maybe "you didn't build that"?

With a click of a mouse I find dozens Obama quotes that show his true colors. Keep throwing stones for Obama, but right now he's living in a glass house.

October 7, 2012 at 11:09 a.m.
joneses said...

dude, are you that stupid to say Obama has christian beliefs? If he did you would they not be all over the news media he has hijacked? Oh they cannot talk about his christian beliefs as it might piss off the muslims, atheist, gays, and others. What a hypocrite. The only person that thinks obama is a Christian would be "GD America" Jeremiah Wright. You are a fool.

October 7, 2012 at 11:17 a.m.
joneses said...

Obama Denies Jesus in Georgetown Speech Posted on 16 April 2009 Amidst all of the American flags and presidential seals, there was something missing when President Barack Obama gave an economic speech at Georgetown University this week — Jesus. The White House asked Georgetown to cover a monogram symbolizing Jesus’ name in Gaston Hall, which Obama used for his speech, according to CNSNews.com. The gold “IHS” monogram inscribed on a pediment in the hall was covered over by a piece of black-painted plywood, and remained covered over the next day, CNSNews.com reported. Georgetown University says it covered over the monogram “IHS” –symbolizing the name of Jesus Christ — because it was inscribed on a pediment on the stage where President Obama spoke at the university on Tuesday and the White House had asked Georgetown to cover up all signs and symbols there. As of Wednesday afternoon, the “IHS” monogram that had previously adorned the stage at Georgetown’s Gaston Hall was still covered up–when the pediment where it had appeared was photographed by CNSNews.com.

October 7, 2012 at 11:34 a.m.
joneses said...

The whole liberal agenda is about destroying something versus building something. It is proven as not one liberal has ever said on here nor has Hussein Obama where they want to move the country forward to. also not one liberal on here has ever praised Hussein Obama for any his accomplishments. There is an eay explanation, Hussein Obama has no accomplishments to brag about.

October 7, 2012 at 11:37 a.m.
miraweb said...

mymy writes - Blaming the prince of the fools should . . .

Still circulating that fake quote, mymy?

October 7, 2012 at 11:47 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

noogies: Repugnants?? You talk about beating a dead horse.

October 7, 2012 at 11:50 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

dudely_: I don't see or hear too much about Mormonism except from you. Are you obsessing?

October 7, 2012 at 11:53 a.m.
miraweb said...

As a reminder - here is the original of that quote:

In many domestic and international venues concerns are expressed about the country’s leadership.

Yet, the danger to South Africa is not rotten leaders but a citizenry capable of entrusting such leaders with their future. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of a few rotten leaders than to install the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such people as their leaders.

The problem is much deeper and far more serious, than corrupt or inept leaders, who are a mere symptom of what ails South Africa. blaming the King of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their King.

The Republic can survive fools in high offices. It is less likely to survive if those electing them are left in their condition of human underdevelopment.

How we all focus on this, is the biggest challenge as far as achieving the concept of the things that unite us, as a country.

What unites us must be the awareness that unless we solve social and human underdevelopment within the next 50 years, the Republic will not succeed. It is an arduous, but one on which genuine national building can rightly by forged.

Prince Mangosuthu Butheleze, traditional Prime Minister of the Zulu Nation, South Africa

http://www.kas.de/wf/doc/kas_21867-1522-1-30.pdf

October 7, 2012 at 12:03 p.m.
ricardo said...

Jack_Dennass said..."dudely_: I don't see or hear too much about Mormonism except from you. Are you obsessing?"

Mormonism is a cult. Was the Garden of Eden really in Missouri? Really? Do you want to pray to some guy named Joseph Smith? Really?

October 7, 2012 at 12:04 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Timbo says: “Well I am going to school you liberal idiots on "REALITY. . .etc. . .I could go on and on and on...but I think you get my point."

You may want to consider taking that “REALITY” class again, Timbo. To get a passing grade in “REALITY” you need to begin with facts and end with the facts, which is something you’ve neglected to do in your chatter about "REALITY."

You rant about deficits, but would have us put someone in charge that has hired advisors from a previous administration who have proven that they have little concern about deficits. How smart is that, Timbo? But, perhaps, you’ve conveniently forgotten the attitude and philosophy of this particular group of advisors in regard to deficits – a group whose leader once said:

“Reagan proved that deficits don't matter. We won the mid-term elections, this is our due.” [Dick Cheney, Former Republican Vice President]

You would have us put a man in charge that either has severe difficulties with math or is not troubled by bald face lies – just like his advisors from the previous administration. I’m referring, of course, to Romney’s plan to cut tax rates by 20 percent but also to have a deficit neutral tax cut. His math simply doesn’t work. As one expert noted, if you cut Buffett's tax rate by 20 percent you will not get back the money by taking away his mortgage interest deduction.

Timbo says: “I guess it is "reality" spending 90 billion on "GREEN" energy boondoggles while holding up real efforts at energy independence.”

But lots of people in this world don’t consider rules and regulations for the disposal of coal ash from power plants, hydraulic fracturing, limitations on green house gases emissions from power plants, mountain top removal mining, investments in “green” energy, and laws like the Clean Air Act to be boondoggles, Timbo. The “reality” is that all of these things do endanger human health, the environment, and the earth's climate.

Timbo says: “I guess it is "reality" electing a president with no experience at any job whatsoever except "community organizer"

You must be referencing the kind of work that President Obama performed before he entered Harvard Law School. I believe when Romney was around the same age he was trying to avoid being drafted into military service. Instead of serving his country, he opted to do missionary work for the Mormon Church. As I recall, Romney received around four draft deferments.

Well, Timbo, I could go on and on and on...but I think you get my point about "reality."

October 7, 2012 at 12:13 p.m.
miraweb said...

I think "conservative's" bible quote run is coming from some mistaken idea that this web site is run by the government.

The First Amendment speaks to what the government can or cannot do. It has very little to do with what private properties (like this web site) want to allow or disallow.

To their credit, TFP has a pretty open free speech policy - but that has very little to do with the government. They could have an entirely different policy and be well within their rights.

October 7, 2012 at 12:32 p.m.
miraweb said...

PolitiFact rates Romney statement on pre-existing conditions Mostly False.

Romney: "Pre-existing conditions are covered under my plan."

PolitiFact:

His website, though, says people "should be guaranteed the ability to retain coverage" if they have "maintained continuous health insurance coverage." That means if you already have health insurance, other insurers can’t deny you if you have pre-existing conditions. (After the debate, his spokesman confirmed this was still his position.)

But people who’ve lost coverage for an extended period of time don’t get the same guarantee.

Still, anyone who does go without coverage for an extended period of time and then needs to buy their own insurance could be rejected by private insurers under Romney’s plan.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/oct/05/mitt-romney/mitt-romney-says-his-health-care-plan-covers-pre-e/

October 7, 2012 at 1:01 p.m.
alprova said...

joneses wrote: "Obama Denies Jesus in Georgetown Speech Posted on 16 April 2009 Amidst all of the American flags and presidential seals, there was something missing when President Barack Obama gave an economic speech at Georgetown University this week — Jesus. The White House asked Georgetown to cover a monogram symbolizing Jesus’ name in Gaston Hall, which Obama used for his speech, according to CNSNews.com"

You and CNS need to get a life.

That one was debunked three years ago...

http://mediamatters.org/research/2009/04/17/scarborough-repeated-myth-that-white-house-requ/149291

http://mediamatters.org/research/2009/04/16/fox-nation-drudge-report-cns-distortion-white-h/149251

October 7, 2012 at 1:43 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Harp3339 asked Re Republican Platform: "ML, will you please continue with examples?"

Well, the most obvious example is related to the subject of taxes and Romney’s alleged plan to close tax loopholes in order to pay for his tax cuts. The Republicans always talk about cutting taxes in their platform, but there is nothing about closing tax loopholes to pay for them.

And Romney certainly didn’t make any ado about closing tax loopholes during the Republican primaries. As such, one can only imagine the shock waves that must be moving through some Republicans circles, especially those circles that include people like the former Republican Vice President who advocated and operated on a rather revealing business principle:

“Reagan proved that deficits don't matter. We won the mid-term elections, this is our due.” [Dick Cheney, Former Republican Vice President]

For that matter, Romney doesn’t even address or give any specifics about his plan to close tax loopholes on his website. . . He provides lots of specifics about his plans to cut taxes but nothing about closing tax loopholes, which is rather odd when you seriously think about it. The experts along with the independent Tax Policy Center are all saying there is no way that closing these tax loopholes could possibly pay for all of the tax cuts Romney is proposing.

October 7, 2012 at 1:48 p.m.
miraweb said...

I have a pretty hard time believing that Grover Norquist won't see eliminating deductions as anything other than raising taxes. Romney signed Norquist's pledge, though it doesn't seem to bother him if he breaks it.

One man's loophole is another man's tax hike.

October 7, 2012 at 1:57 p.m.
ricardo said...

miraweb, just more evidence of Romney's backsliding. He has all of the wingnut teabaggers duped. Now he has to appeal to the other 98% of the people.

October 7, 2012 at 2:01 p.m.
miraweb said...

Big bird dropped in on SNL last night:

It’s so weird to think that just a few days ago, I could just blend in like every other perfectly normal 8-foot-tall talking bird!

October 7, 2012 at 2:07 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

mira, just like Obama's "tax the rich" mantra couldn't possibly come close to paying down the debt. Yet that's his answer to everything.

As for retardo, the race is virtually tied, so if you graduated from the third grade, even you must know that more than 2% of the people aren't on your side.

October 7, 2012 at 2:20 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Snippy Obama, Whose Heart's Not in It

“His supporters keep wanting Obama to be who he was in 2008,” Franke-Ruta wrote. “But that’s not who he is anymore.” Obama’s old enthusiasm for the job is simply gone.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/10/snippy-obama-whose-hearts-not-in-it/263229/

October 7, 2012 at 2:28 p.m.
mymy said...

The double standard of the Libs is LOL funny!!

If Obama was a Republican the Libs would be screaming at the top of your lungs what a failed and miserable presidency it was, and you'd be right. Why do you and the media cut Obama so much slack?

Libs have no credibility when they defend the obvious indefensible!!

October 7, 2012 at 2:35 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

"The fact is that for all his professions of bipartisan amity, Obama cannot bear to listen to tough questions or well-made counterarguments. He certainly hasn't had to in the 200-plus fundraisers he's attended".

"What we didn't see is the Obama who is supposedly fascinated by the details of public policy. Sans teleprompter, he repeated the talking points of his television ads, and, when Romney responded sharply, he had nothing to fall back on".

"We saw the president who found it fitting to jet off to campaign in Las Vegas the day after the first murder of a U.S. ambassador in 33 years".

"On the split screen, we saw the same expression of irritation -- as if he smelled something really bad -- as we did when he faced tough questions from Fox News' Bret Baier, when he had to listen to Paul Ryan demolish his health care plan at the Blair House summit, when he was probed on his broken immigration promise by interviewers on Univision".

October 7, 2012 at 2:35 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Toes^^^^ It's because he's a rookie lightweight that got lucky. Plain and simple.

October 7, 2012 at 2:42 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Thomas Sowell once again debunking Obama's lies

October 7, 2012 at 2:53 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

SNL Spoofs Chris Matthews and MSNBC Crew Reaction to First

Obama the big pussy

October 7, 2012 at 3:12 p.m.
mymy said...

MiraBoob: Read this article then the comment of punkido. Sound familiar.

New York State Seeks to Limit Doctor Visits for 'Benchmark' ObamaCare Plan

ObamaCare is gradually setting up a two-class system of health care access in this country. Only the very wealthy will be able to obtain the types of treatments and access to health care that many Americans have enjoyed in the past. Everyone else…well, just take a check and wait in line.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/10/06/New-York-State-Seeks-To-Limit-Doctor-Visits-For-Benchmark-ObamaCare-Plan

October 7, 2012 at 4:41 p.m.
miraweb said...

TQQ quotes - Only the very wealthy will be able to obtain the types of treatments and access to health care that many Americans have enjoyed in the past.

I can't think of any better description of the health care system we have right now. For 46 million people, they have already been there, done that.

Think through Grover Norquist's pledge. If Romney cuts his own capital gains tax (which he says is a priority) and saves $100 million and makes up the difference but dropping the mortgage deductions of another 100 million Americans to plug the hole, is that a tax increase?

Well - maybe not for Mitt . . .

Mitt seems to think that words are magic and if you just say it and clap your hands really hard together three times it will be so.

Governing is about making it so and everyone who has done an actual study (not an editorial) says Romney's numbers are impossible.

He can't deliver.

October 7, 2012 at 5:51 p.m.
ricardo said...

miraweb, Romney's statements about his tax cut plan and its impact on the deficit are vague and misleading. He is a snake oil salesman, hoping that no one discovers his real plan before the election. His math does not add up.

October 7, 2012 at 6:03 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Jack_Dennis said... dudely_: I don't see or hear too much about Mormonism except from you. Are you obsessing?

Jack_Squat... You make an excellent point. Why isn't the dreaded main stream media trying with all its might to bring to light every cult-like belief of this church? It's because the only biased major news organization is Fox! They are flogging every possible conspiracy theory they can regarding the President, including his religious beliefs. You did well illustrating that hypocrisy, Jack_!

October 7, 2012 at 7:09 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Tu_quoque rants: "You whiney assed Libtards are never happy are you? You stamp around in the dirt throwing a temper tantrum and creating a dust storm while saying that Romney won’t provide additional details of his policies. When he does you go into the same routine."

It's not unusual for adults to request details, Tu_quoque. Indeed, wise and reasonable adults do it all the time. And since you appear to understand the arithmetic involved in Mitt Romney’s “Tax Cuts & Tax Loophole Closure” proposals, maybe you will be kind enough to explain exactly how the plan will support Mitt Romney’s claim that he will:

1) not reduce taxes on the rich

2) not increase taxes for the middle class

3) not add to the deficit

October 7, 2012 at 7:23 p.m.
fairmon said...

mountainlaurel responded with....

Well, the most obvious example is related to the subject of taxes and Romney’s alleged plan to close tax loopholes in order to pay for his tax cuts. The Republicans always talk about cutting taxes in their platform, but there is nothing about closing tax loopholes to pay for them.

Therefore, the violation of the platform is? The candidate does not write the platform nor pledge to follow every line in it as you well know if you look at the democrats platform and Obama's agenda opposite it.

I am not suggesting Romney is right or a good candidate but you make me nauseous with your blind loyalty all is good if democrat and all is bad if republican when they are equally bad and will lead this country to the same end. You are like a democratic Rush Limbaugh. In my opinion Obama couldn't manage a two person lemonade stand and would screw up a two car funeral. Romney may surround himself with something other than country club members that fail to pay their own taxes but with this congress probably not effective.

People have died to protect our liberty and freedom so I don't view my vote for Gary Johnson as wasted. I will not be forced to decide between two evils. I do consider people that think like you as a threat to freedom, liberty, justice and the future of this country. I have to wonder if you know how many zeros are in one trillion and what and how long it would take to pay back $16 trillion or the soon to be $26 trillion. Our mind is wonderful at not remembering or dealing with tragedy.

October 7, 2012 at 7:25 p.m.
ricardo said...

Hey tu_cocques, don't forget to hold your nose when you vote for your Mormon cult leader.

October 7, 2012 at 7:35 p.m.
ricardo said...

mountainlaurel, those 3 promises are incompatible. He is lying to get elected. Details please.

October 7, 2012 at 7:38 p.m.
fairmon said...

mountainlaurel ask for details of how regarding......

1) not reduce taxes on the rich

2) not increase taxes for the middle class

3) not add to the deficit

If you receieve a convincingly good explanation would that change who you plan to vote for? If not why bother? Or would it just send you on a hunt for something else to attack the other party with? Why would both parties not give us more details and exactly what they would do? I understand your man is at a disadvantage since he has had an opportunity and it is not good to look at. But, he could say why and how he has learned something and what he would do different.

October 7, 2012 at 7:38 p.m.
dude_abides said...

You mean something like the atheistic Fleabaggers chucking their rational beliefs to vote for a mythical Sky God believer. -two_

No, I mean something like people who go great guns to espouse their specific religious beliefs, now deciding that the man who might be replacing the SCOTUS justices for the next four years could worship Santa's taint for all they care. I spoke of Christians. I am not familiar with any group that calls themselves atheistic Fleabaggers.

October 7, 2012 at 7:56 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

dude_: Lots of hate and bigotry for an enlightened, all-inclusive, leftist.

October 7, 2012 at 8:17 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Henrique Capriles, watch your back.

October 7, 2012 at 8:22 p.m.
ricardo said...

tu_quoque said..."Since I have no religious beliefs or hold any animosity towards those that do then I don't give a rats ass. However I will delight in your discomfort from being ruled and commanded by a Mormon."

You sure coulda fooled me with all those "Obama is a Muslim" posts. You stupid hypocrite. But I'll overlook that and delight in the satisfaction that you call a black, Hawaiian-born (wink-wink) man your master, both now and for the next four years.

October 7, 2012 at 8:26 p.m.
dude_abides said...

"DudRDunce it will be double for you what Ricardo experiences. You will look very sharp in you magic Sky God panties."

Already tried some on. A little tight in the crotch. Should be called Lessmonism. Might fit Jack_, though. Ba dum dum

October 7, 2012 at 8:43 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Harp3339 said: “Therefore, the violation of the platform is? The candidate does not write the platform nor pledge to follow every line in it as you well know if you look at the democrats platform and Obama's agenda opposite it.”

I understand that candidates do not write or pledge to follow a platform, but I believe you’re underestimating the level of shock waves that Romney’s reference to “closing tax loopholes” must have sent to many of his Republican collegues. Indeed, there is a reason why Romney didn’t peddle this alleged plan during the Republican primaries and there is reason why it doesn’t appear in the Republican platform. Personally, I don’t think Romney has any intention of pursuing any meaningful changes in regard to closing tax loopholes. If he had, he would have included the details on his webpage alongside his proposed tax cuts.

Harp3339 said: “I am not suggesting Romney is right or a good candidate but you make me nausius with your blind loyalty all is good if democrat and all is bad if republican when they are equally bad and will lead this country to the same end. You are like a democratic Rush Limbaugh.”

Actually, I’m more concerned about specific issues than offering my personal loyalty to any politician, Harp3339. At this point in time, the Democrats appear to be addressing my political concerns while the Republicans are either ignoring them or peddling some legislation that I consider to be intrusive. This may come as a surprise to you, Harp3339, but I believe that the U.S. would greatly benefit from have the voices of strong third and fourth political parties heard.

Harp3339 said: “I do consider people that think like you as a threat to freedom, liberty, justice and the future of this country.”

Well, Harp3339, I also have my list of concerns that I believe are threats to freedom, liberty, justice, and the future of this county, but you are not on my list. A couple of quick examples of some of my ongoing concerns would include:

I believe the Supreme Court Decision that “corporations are people” is a serious threat to freedom, justice and the future of this country. It has set up a system that allows special interest money to overwhelm our political process and drown out the voices of our real citizenry.

I’m also concerned about the level of income inequality that currently exists in the U.S. and that we are starting to resemble a banana republic. As Alan Greenspan, the former Federal Reserve Board chairman and onetime Ayn Rand acolyte once said: "This is not the type of thing which a democratic society—a capitalist democratic society—can really accept without addressing,”

October 7, 2012 at 9:32 p.m.
alprova said...

Latinos Working To Fill Those Polling Booths

"..."We've never seen such an unprecedented experience as 2012," said Cynthia Figueroa, director of Congreso, which works in Pennsylvania Latino communities. "What was created around the voter IDs and the emphasizing that there was even any voter ID fraud, then the subsequent laws that were passed, created tremendous barriers for individuals in the community. The work and energy that I've seen or the attention around the elections this year, I've never experienced in the time that I have been working in this community."..."

http://inamerica.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/07/latino-voter-registration-efforts-running-out-of-time-in-pennsylvania/?hpt=hp_c1

October 7, 2012 at 9:35 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Tu_quoque rants: “Adults don’t continue to whine, as you do, after they get the details. . . I’ve posted it twice already but here you go one more time and the best part is it comes from the author of the study you referenced.

Except that what you are calling “details” aren’t actual details, Tu_quoque. And the author is not backing up Mitt Romney’s claim that he won’t reduce taxes on the rich.

October 7, 2012 at 10:09 p.m.
miraweb said...

TQQ 7:52

That wasn't me. Check your sources.

October 7, 2012 at 10:23 p.m.
fairmon said...

mountain said.....

I believe the Supreme Court Decision that “corporations are people” is a serious threat to freedom, justice and the future of this country. It has set up a system that allows special interest money to overwhelm our political process and drown out the voices of our real citizenry.

Why is your concern limited to corporations? I would agree if there was a stop to all special interest such as unions, lobbyist etc. and others that pour money into campaign funds and PACS. No doubt it is out of control. Contributions should be a maximum of $25 from identified individuals only. Neither party or congress will agree to such restraints because they both think they can out do the other in fund raising.

ml also said...

I’m also concerned about the level of income inequality that currently exists in the U.S. and that we are starting to resemble a banana republic. As Alan Greenspan, the former Federal Reserve Board chairman and onetime Ayn Rand acolyte once said: "This is not the type of thing which a democratic society—a capitalist democratic society—can really accept without addressing,”

There is a discrepancy but confiscating from the wealthy and successful will not improve and certainly not correct the problem. A chart of the drop in the percent of American manufacturing jobs from just under 50% to around 12% will be approximately the same line of widening income discrepancy. The loss of wealth creating jobs is politically caused and it is not, like some insist, the wage difference nor is it essential regulations.

Obama, in my opinion, has not a clue what to do and he is surrounded by people that darn sure have no idea what the problem is or how to address it. IF, Romney knows he is in for a shock since we have given him a congress full of economics idiot lawyers and special interest accommodaters for votes with which he will not be able to do much if anything.

October 7, 2012 at 10:37 p.m.
ricardo said...

Where is the evidence that tax cuts for the wealthy results in economic prosperity for all? What were the tax rates for the wealthy during the 1990's, a period of unprecedented economic growth, low unemployment, and budget surpluses? We've tried this tax cut recipe before and it doesn't provide more jobs.

October 7, 2012 at 10:51 p.m.
fairmon said...

ricardo said... Where is the evidence that tax cuts for the wealthy results in economic prosperity for all? What were the tax rates for the wealthy during the 1990's, a period of unprecedented economic growth, low unemployment, and budget surpluses? We've tried this tax cut recipe before and it doesn't provide more jobs.

They won't nor will tax increases for the wealthy and mega rich have any impact on jobs, the economy or the debt. Personal tax rates have little to no impact and higher taxes on those with high incomes will not hurt the economy or reduce capital investments. Business tax rates and regulation and congress manipulation to show favor or to punish does have a major affect.

October 7, 2012 at 11:49 p.m.
miraweb said...

TQQ and my my -apologies for getting your attributions wrong.

I did dig a bit more on the quote and it appears to be two quotes linked together. The first part did appear in someone's sig file as far back as 2005 in English. The second part doesn't show up with reliable dates for several more years. The freeper version is quite recent. My apologies.

October 8, 2012 at 1:02 a.m.
fairmon said...

ricardo...

Neither Obama.com or Romney.com would be the best place to look for facts, especially with excerpts from undated video clips. Have you taken the time to check out Gary Johnson's web site?

October 8, 2012 at 7:15 a.m.
fairmon said...

Could it be that recent barely detectable positive economic trends result from grid lock? The limited progress has been only since the 2010 election that brought it about. Before grid lick the trends were all negative with rising unemployment. It looks like grid lock in congress will continue which may be about as good as one could hope for. Gary Johnson may be the last person other than one of the two power parties to qualify to be on the ballot in all 50 states.

October 8, 2012 at 7:47 a.m.
rolando said...

Here is yet ANOTHER knockout blow against the guy laying on the canvas -- the real guy, The Obama, not Clay's version...

http://townhall.com/columnists/mattbarber/2012/10/08/supreme_court_shocks_life_into_obamacare_challenge

As some wag once said, "It ain't over til the fat lady sings".

October 8, 2012 at 8:28 a.m.
rolando said...

harp, regardless of what you claim, I really wonder sometimes if you are just another pro-Obama apologist.

No matter how you feel, there are only two men in the race.

Splitting the vote -- on either side -- helps only the weakest.

On a different note; I, personally, have always voted either by absentee ballot [while stationed out of state/country] of on election day. One never knows what the day before the election may reveal about one or the other of them...

October 8, 2012 at 8:35 a.m.
chickontheright said...

Clay Bennett has been knocking out reality for a long time now. As always, in the Clay Bennett world, only the dems are the winners and the repubs are the liars. Clay, please pull that KoolAde I.V. out of your arm. Your messiah lost. He lost BIG. Quit whining about the big mean, scary republican.

October 8, 2012 at 8:40 a.m.
fairmon said...

rolando said... harp, regardless of what you claim, I really wonder sometimes if you are just another pro-Obama apologist.

I would probably consider voting for Chavez before voting for Obama and his cabinet. I plan to stick to my beliefs and vote for Gary Johnson.

October 8, 2012 at 9:01 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Bennett must be really proud of this cartoon, up for three days?

What a job. Read the Huffpost, turn the headline into a cartoon, maybe three or four cartoons, wash, rinse, repeat.

October 8, 2012 at 9:08 a.m.
conservative said...

All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..

October 8, 2012 at 9:09 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Come on alpo, you know damn well that videos are all doctored and can be made to look like anything you want them to.

October 8, 2012 at 9:40 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Why he's falling apart The foundations of Obama's campaign are not nearly as strong as they once seemed

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/falling-article-1.1176348#ixzz28iPZqmgq

October 8, 2012 at 9:51 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Obama to Lauer: “One nice thing about the situation I find myself in is that I will be held accountable. You know, I’ve got four years...If I don’t have this done in three years, then there’s going to be a one-term proposition.”

October 8, 2012 at 9:53 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Obama said he should serve only one term

October 8, 2012 at 10:01 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Obama, I'll cut the deficit by half by my first turn

Obama the liar-in-chief

October 8, 2012 at 10:03 a.m.
mymy said...

29 Days to Go!

It is still the economy/jobs/foreign policy/direction of country/National Security here/abroad and the growing debt.

Tick, Tock, Tick, Tock

October 8, 2012 at 10:04 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Obama says adding $4 trillion to debt is unpatriotic.

Why then is HIS $5 trillion debt ok?

October 8, 2012 at 10:06 a.m.
mymy said...

Hospitals who re-admit patients within 30 days after they were discharged will now have to, under an Obamacare provision, pay fines as of October 1, 2012, which could force hospitals to slash programs that help the elderly, the poor, and the chronically ill.

According to a study, "about two-thirds of the hospitals serving Medicare patients, or some 2,200 facilities, will be hit with penalties averaging around $125,000 per facility this coming year."

This provision was inserted into Obamacare as a cost-cutting measure, but it will force hospitals to give the poor, elderly, and chronically ill substandard care.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/10/07/Obamacare-Fines-For-Hospitals-That-Readmit-Sick-Patients-Begin?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+BigGovernment+%28Big+Government%29

29 Days to Go!

Romney/Ryan 2012

October 8, 2012 at 10:06 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

"One explanation for this bizarre (though surely temporary) breakdown on the left would have to be what psychologists call projection".

Jack, easy would be proud!

October 8, 2012 at 10:19 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Princeton Economist: Obama Campaign Is Misrepresenting My Study on Romney's Tax Plan

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/princeton-economist-obama-campaign-misrepresenting-my-study-romneys-tax-plan_653917.html

October 8, 2012 at 10:22 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Toes: Easy would be jealous of anyone using his private word. Where is that yoot? Out organizing for SEIU, methinks.

October 8, 2012 at 10:22 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Obama receiving illegal campaign contributions as well? But Obama is the most ethical POTUS we ever had! Can't be!

October 8, 2012 at 10:24 a.m.
alprova said...

mymy, you really should have read the whole article, not that breitbart is a credible, independent source of news to start with.

"The 108-page GAI report found nearly half of Congress, both political parties and presidential candidates, and third-party fundraising groups that funnel money to political parties and candidates were vulnerable to fraudulent and foreign donations."

October 8, 2012 at 10:36 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Gene Simmons tells Obama he has no F_cking Idea.

HAHA!!

October 8, 2012 at 10:40 a.m.
mymy said...

Alpo: I did read it all, but Obama got the worse of it. DO you think everybody is a partisan as you and can only see one side

October 8, 2012 at 10:41 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

In a statement released by Whitehouse, spokesperson Jay Carney announced today that The Fed has subcontracted with Kinkos to print more money. "We CAN print out way out of this", Carney stated.

October 8, 2012 at 10:49 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Two new independent studies of health insurance premiums and health care spending indicate both are rising at an accelerated pace, despite President Obama’s 2008 promise to contain those costs and his pledge that his health care legislation would reduce premiums.

Spending on health care rose 4.6 percent in 2011 — up $4,500 per person, on average — according to the nonpartisan Health Care Cost Institute. That’s up from a 3.8 growth rate in 2010.

Health insurance premiums for individuals and families also climbed year-over-year, up 3 percent ($186) on average for an individual and 4 percent ($672) on average for a family, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation.

During Obama’s term, between 2009 to 2012, premiums have climbed $2,370 for the average family with an employer-provided plan – a rate faster than the during the previous four years under President George W. Bush, according to Kaiser.

October 8, 2012 at 10:49 a.m.
mymy said...

Las Vegas Review-Journal

“The choice is clear. Only Mitt Romney has the principles and experience needed to put America back on the road to prosperity. The Review-Journal endorses Mitt Romney for president of the United States.”

“No state had a bigger stake in Wednesday's presidential debate than Nevada. No other state has suffered more economic hardship over the past five years. No state has a greater need for jobs than Nevada, which leads the nation with a real unemployment rate of at least 22 percent. No state will benefit more from a real economic recovery.”

“Mr. Obama has never been the uniting agent of change he promised to be. His two biggest initiatives, the economic stimulus and his health care reform law, were rushed through a Democratic Congress without a single Republican vote, and the electorate responded in 2010 by giving Republicans control of the House. Instead of moving to the center, as President Bill Clinton did after the 1994 Republican Revolution, Mr. Obama has dug in his heels. He shares the blame for Washington's gridlock.”

“If he won't change course, the country won't, either.”

http://www.lvrj.com/opinion/for-president-173016161.html

29 Days to Go!

Romney/Ryan 2012

October 8, 2012 at 10:51 a.m.
fairmon said...

The best thing that won't happen is that both candidates step on their own dong so bad voters swing to Gary Johnson plus clean out congress as much as possible. That would be a badly needed wake up call to the leaches in Washington.

October 8, 2012 at 11:38 a.m.
hobo said...

Yea I agree too. I think all the republicans should vote for Mr. Johnson. I heard he was a very good man.

October 8, 2012 at 12:35 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Nice try hobo.

October 8, 2012 at 12:42 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

The teacher in PA that said kid's Romney T-shirt was KKK inspired is following along nicely with the left's agenda. Good little soldierette. I know many of you mopes are happy with that tactic.

October 8, 2012 at 12:49 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

More lies from the socialist butterfly.

In May 2009, President Obama released his updated budget estimates, which projected that the federal deficit for fiscal year 2012 would be $557 billion. The Congressional Budget Office now says that the deficit for fiscal year 2012 (which ended on September 30) was about $1.1 trillion — or about twice what Obama said it would be. In other words, Obama’s estimate was off by more than half a trillion dollars.

To put this colossal error into perspective, at the time that Obama was elected, the United States had never once had a deficit as large as Obama’s error would prove to be. Our largest deficit as of November 4, 2008 (the day that Obama beat John McCain) had been $459 billion. Since 2008, we’ve now run up more than $1 trillion in deficit spending for four consecutive years, totaling more than $5 trillion.

Read more: http://times247.com/articles/obama-underestimated-2012-deficit-by-500b#ixzz28jBhokfn

October 8, 2012 at 1:01 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

If a republican teacher had told a kid his "Obama-Biden" shirt was inspired by Lenin or Marx, what would be the outcry be then?

October 8, 2012 at 1:05 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Toes: Well, that's different.

October 8, 2012 at 1:22 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Harp3339 said: “There is a discrepancy but confiscating from the wealthy and successful will not improve and certainly not correct the problem.”

Maintaining a fair tax system and requiring billionaires to pay their fair share of taxes can hardly be considered confiscating from the wealthy and successful, Harp3339. At the moment, our current system is rigged to accommodate certain segments of our citizenry, which is why we have people like hedge fund managers walking away with billions in untaxed profits. The bottom line is that everyone benefits economically from having a government and it’s not unreasonable to have tax policies that assure that everyone pays an equal share.

October 8, 2012 at 1:56 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Tu_quoque said: "You claimed the math wouldn't work but I posted that the author, of the study you referenced, conceded that the math did work. If you have a problem with that then take it up with that person as you had a lot of confidence in his conclusions until he crawfished on you."

The math involved in Mitt Romney’s three promises doesn’t work, Tu_quoque. And the study does not as you claim prove that Romney’s arithmetic works because the study did not incorporate the three promises that Romney made: 1) will not reduce taxes on the rich; 2) will not increase taxes for the middle class; 3) will not add to the deficit. To suggest that it does is simply disingenuous, but I think you already know this.

As to whom we should take the problem up with, I think this would have to be Mitt Romney since it is his promises, his arithmetic, and his plan. Indeed, I’m very interested in hearing the details from Mr. Romney. Which deductions is he planning to eliminate in a desperate effort to make his arithmetic work? Will it be. . .

The mortgage interest deduction?

The charitable donations deduction?

The exclusion for health insurance?

The deduction for contributions to retirement plans?

October 8, 2012 at 2:01 p.m.
miraweb said...

New Gallup is in:

Dates - Obama - Romney

10/1-7/12 50 45

October 8, 2012 at 2:48 p.m.
tderng said...

new Rasmussen poll is in:

Daily Presidential Tracking Poll: Romney 48%, Obama 48%

October 8, 2012 at 3:04 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

alprova said... "The 108-page GAI report found nearly half of Congress, both political parties and presidential candidates, and third-party fundraising groups that funnel money to political parties and candidates were vulnerable to fraudulent and foreign donations."

But it seems as though there are specific problems with donations through Obama.com, like 68% of the donations coming from foreign sources, at least for a particular time period. Most of those donations made below the $200 threshold that requires reporting of the source. What a great way to launder money coming from big foreign donors!

Come on alprova, can you still try to claim with a straight face that you are a champion of truth? It looks very much like you are doing nothing but trying to discredit a story because it is not good news for your master.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/report-obama.com-solicits-foreign-contributions-for-prez/article/2510096#.UHLkNa5vHDV

October 8, 2012 at 3:08 p.m.
mymy said...

Harp: I suspect you are a well known local Libertarian Party member. Could be more detailed if I was sure I was 100% right.

You are wrong to vote for Gary Johnson. It is not realistic because of the importance of this election. No vote should be wasted. A vote for Johnson is a vote for Obama!!!! Wake-up!!!

October 8, 2012 at 3:20 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

BRP: Alpo is an ideologue. The can't be reasoned with. Plus, he's the smartest s.o.b. on the planet.

October 8, 2012 at 3:23 p.m.
patriot1 said...

Jack: Alpo is an old man in his dotage who doesn't really know what his core beliefs are and is trying to be relevant.

October 8, 2012 at 3:38 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

mymy said... "You are wrong to vote for Gary Johnson. It is not realistic because of the importance of this election. No vote should be wasted. A vote for Johnson is a vote for Obama!!!! Wake-up!!!"

How will we ever elect anything other than a big government president as long as we accept this notion that we have to vote for one party because the other party is even worse? If there were not so many with the same mindset as yourself maybe we could get a good president elected for a change. Wake up!

October 8, 2012 at 3:43 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

At least alprova offers up evidence to support his posts, something I never see from you two. And no, I don't say this about everyone who disagrees with me. Conservative posters here have offered evidence too. Sometimes we don't trust where some evidence comes from (on either side) but at least it is offered.

October 8, 2012 at 3:46 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Romney's real stumbling block will be foreign policy. It demonstrates some real misunderstanding of what is happening at home, too.

http://www.juancole.com/2012/10/top-ten-things-mitt-romneys-insults-to-spain-tell-us-about-him.html

October 8, 2012 at 3:56 p.m.
mymy said...

BRP: At the rate things are going a third party will eventually become a real possibility in the voting booth, but not yet.

October 8, 2012 at 4:06 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

keith: And you think BHO is fundamentally sound on foreign policy? Did he learn his skills on the south side? Sheesh.

October 8, 2012 at 4:14 p.m.
miraweb said...

mymy believes - A vote for Johnson is a vote for Obama!!!!

And a vote for Romney - is a vote for Romney.

October 8, 2012 at 4:14 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Harp: You're on the right track. But the timing is all wrong right now.

October 8, 2012 at 4:32 p.m.
conservative said...

Brp....

Is this the basic Libertarian Party Platform?

The Libertarian Party Platform A Quick and Easy Guide to America's Leading Third Party By Tom Head, About.com Guide

http://civilliberty.about.com/od/libertarianpolitics/qt/libert_platform.htm

October 8, 2012 at 4:45 p.m.
miraweb said...

It is a major flaw of the Romney campaign. Without a substantive message of his own (or, perhaps too many messages that disagree with each other) Romney is spending all of his effort on not being Obama.

It's a big country - a lot of people could be "not Obama" - including Gary Johnson.

Romney is now running left as hard as he can with the hope that the libertarian and tea party conservatives just aren't paying attention anymore.

And he may be right.

October 8, 2012 at 4:48 p.m.
mtngrl said...

What is Romney showing this child in the picture?

I don't know what kind of pose this is, but after such a great debate performance why is he scared of questions by kids?

http://news.yahoo.com/nickelodeon-tv-says-romney-skipped-kids-questions-204157299.html

October 8, 2012 at 5:41 p.m.
rolando said...

lkeithlu; The Obama's foreign policy is, as always, borrowed from someone else...but all are failures.

His basic foreign policy premise is Appeasement...anyone who fought anyone anytime in their life knows, without doubt, it NEVER works. It's all his bowing, ring-kissing, and kowtowing that has brought about his downfall.

October 8, 2012 at 5:50 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

The republican foreign policy since 2000 has been the embarrassment of the US. I was constantly having to defend my country to my European relatives. Obama was a breath of fresh air, and Romney displays all the attributes of W. That's a step backwards in my book.

Obama is willing to listen to the experts that work in the field, instead of acting like the cowboy and charging in guns blazing (see my link) Romney shows no sensitivity to the possibility that others in the world don't think like we do.

Re: Syria: http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/10/08/14298721-more-weapons-in-syria-could-trigger-all-out-war?lite

October 8, 2012 at 6:24 p.m.
mymy said...

'SNL' Relentlessly Mocks NBC News Debate Fallout

http://www.hulu.com/#!watch/409935

October 8, 2012 at 6:32 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

mymy said... "At the rate things are going a third party will eventually become a real possibility in the voting booth, but not yet."

I am having an awful time resisting the temptation to ignore your timing concern after the way the RNC treated Ron Paul. It is getting almost impossible to distinguish between the democrats and republicans. Maybe we should just let the democrats crash the dollar so we can get on with it. I have little faith that the republicans have the nerve to do the kinds of things that need to be done anyway. They only confuse the definition of what it means to be conservative and protect the Constitution. If they are allowed to define what it means to be conservative they will only teach the sheep that "conservatism" does not work as they muck things up with their warped dogma.

There are exceptions, and many of them are in the republican party, but the republican party machine seems to treat them like bastard step children, at best.

October 8, 2012 at 6:35 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

lkeithlu said... "The republican foreign policy since 2000 has been the embarrassment of the US. I was constantly having to defend my country to my European relatives"

Do you actually have relatives in Europe that still think Obama has a clue about foreign policy? Almost every one of my foreign contacts that supported Obama's move away from Bush realize that he has changed NOTHING, except possibly throwing both Iraq and Afghanistan towards chaos as he executes his awkward, meandering extraction. He might as well just pull out and quit wasting the money, AND LIVES.

We would be much better off if we brought the troops home and spent a smaller amount on improving our defensive strength. The way the world is headed we don't need our armed forces exhausting all of their resources in the Middle East.

October 8, 2012 at 6:46 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

conservative said... "Is this the basic Libertarian Party Platform?"

It looks like this quick and easy guide was written by someone who dislikes Libertarian ideals or does not really understand them.

If you are really interested you should go to the source...

http://www.lp.org/platform

October 8, 2012 at 6:58 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Sorry if this is a repost... I was just stunned by these figures. No wonder Obama leads in Massachusetts by as much as 28% in some polls. They're afraid Romney's gonna do it to them again, on a national level!

The state of Massachusetts raised $500 million in new revenue during Romney’s first year in office from fees, more than any other state surveyed. Romney proposed 33 new fees along with increases in 57 existing fees, resulting in higher costs for birth certificates, new car purchases, driver’s learning permits, firearms permits, professional licenses, and billboards advertising, as well as for many state services. He also increased a state gasoline fee originally intended for cleanup of contamination around underground fuel storage tanks. The two cents per gallon increase made for a total effective state gasoline tax of 23.5 cents per gallon, generating about $60 million per year in additional revenue (surpluses of $40 million over the costs of the cleanup program). Opponents said many of the fees posed a hardship on those who could least afford them, such as fees for the state to provide certification of blindness and a photo identification card for the blind. The proposal also called for a $50 fee for tuberculosis tests and a $400 fee for those who tested positive (the tuberculosis fees were rejected by the legislature). Critics, including some conservatives, complained that Romney was using these fees increases as a tax increase in disguise after having promised he would not raise taxes. Romney said that the fees were distinct from taxes because fees were charged for particular services provided whereas taxes were assessed more broadly, without expectation of any specific services — although critics noted that this explanation applied to only some of the fees Romney proposed.

October 8, 2012 at 7:02 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Do you actually have relatives in Europe that still think Obama has a clue about foreign policy? Almost every one of my foreign contacts that supported Obama's move away from Bush realize that he has changed NOTHING, except possibly throwing both Iraq and Afghanistan towards chaos as he executes his awkward, meandering extraction. He might as well just pull out and quit wasting the money, AND LIVES.

Indeed, Obama has not moved fast enough to extract us from these conflicts, but Romney appears to plan on reversing any progress Obama has made, going back to supplying arms and inserting ourselves where we are neither effective or welcome. Romney seems to be the iconic "ugly american" in the mold of GWB: completely unwilling to contemplate that perhaps ours is not the ONLY way. I am not going to say that intervention is NEVER called for: I exist because allied forces saved my mother's country from the Axis. But we are overextended now, retain forces in areas that no longer need them, and insert ourselves when there is little we can accomplish.

October 8, 2012 at 7:29 p.m.
mymy said...

Big: Don't you think the Tea Party challenged the Repubs?

October 8, 2012 at 7:51 p.m.
alprova said...

Test Post

October 8, 2012 at 7:53 p.m.
mymy said...

Plant that got $150M in taxpayer money to make Volt batteries furloughs workers

President Obama touted it in 2010 as evidence "manufacturing jobs are coming back to the United States,” but two years later, a Michigan hybrid battery plant built with $150 million in taxpayer funds is putting workers on furlough before a single battery has been produced.

“Had it been private investors rather than government bureaucrats making the decision, there either would have been a reality check about the industry."

  • Paul Chesser, National Legal and Policy Center

Workers at the Compact Power manufacturing facilities in Holland, Mich., run by LG Chem, have been placed on rotating furloughs, working only three weeks per month based on lack of demand for lithium-ion cells.

The facility, which was opened in July 2010 with a groundbreaking attended by Obama, has yet to produce a single battery for the Chevrolet Volt, the troubled electric car from General Motors. The plant's batteries also were intended to be used in Ford's electric Focus.

Production of the taxpayer-subsidized Volt has been plagued by work stoppages, and the effect has trickled down to companies and plants that build parts for it -- including the batteries.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/10/08/lg-plant-that-got-150m-to-make-volt-batteries-in-michigan-puts-workers-on/#ixzz28kp5vmst

October 8, 2012 at 7:54 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

mymy said... Big: Don't you think the Tea Party challenged the Repubs?

Yes, I do. But in our own district we had a couple of excellent alternatives to Chuck Fleischmann that were suppressed when Huckabee brought his name recognition into the fray and exerted the establishment muscle to get the uninformed to vote for Fleischmann.

Van Irion could be standing right beside Rand Paul and Justin Amash if “The Gov” had not stepped in and used mindless name recognition to trump the issues. The republican party continues these efforts to this day.

October 8, 2012 at 8:12 p.m.
alprova said...

BRP wrote: "But it seems as though there are specific problems with donations through Obama.com, like 68% of the donations coming from foreign sources, at least for a particular time period."

68%? That's utter B.S. Nobody on the planet can prove that the Obama campaign has received a penny in foreign donations.

Mitt Romney is as guilty as the President of soliciting donations from Americans in other countries. They are both equally guilty, as are many politicians in Washington, of omitting language that makes it clear that only Americans are legally allowed to make campaign contributions.

Is it plausible that foreigners do make contributions? Sure it is. But the problem is not limited to JUST the President.

"Most of those donations made below the $200 threshold that requires reporting of the source. What a great way to launder money coming from big foreign donors!"

Trust me, there are many home grown Americans that abuse that loophole for Mitt Romney and other Republican candidates. Why do you think the loophole exists in the first place?

What do you think would happen if EVERY campaign donation had to be reported and tracked? The people who benefit from those loopholes wrote them.

"Come on alprova, can you still try to claim with a straight face that you are a champion of truth?"

The whole truth, you bet. Not just an accusation that pertains to one person.

"It looks very much like you are doing nothing but trying to discredit a story because it is not good news for your master."

Read Breitbart.com's article on the subject. I have to give them credit for exposing the fact that the potential problem is not limited to just the President or one political party.

It's a problem that has existed for a long time, and there are many people running for office that solicit for donations in foreign countries.

October 8, 2012 at 8:15 p.m.
mymy said...

Big, I did not vote for Chucky the first or the second time.

October 8, 2012 at 8:19 p.m.
mymy said...

Alpo: Keeeps bobbing for apples!

October 8, 2012 at 8:21 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

ALPO 7:54: Finally a reasonable post.

October 8, 2012 at 8:24 p.m.
alprova said...

patriot1 wrote: "Jack: Alpo is an old man in his dotage who doesn't really know what his core beliefs are and is trying to be relevant."

I'm 53 years young and I am quite set in my core beliefs, which are as relevant as those that you express. Your problem is that you find that you disagree with me and think that your beliefs are more relevant than mine.

October 8, 2012 at 8:29 p.m.
ricardo said...

mtngrl said..."What is Romney showing this child in the picture?

I don't know what kind of pose this is, but after such a great debate performance why is he scared of questions by kids?

http://news.yahoo.com/nickelodeon-tv-says-romney-skipped-kids-questions-204157299.html"

More evidence that Romney doesn't give a crap about anyone but his wealthy donors. BTW, he's showing that girl his magic underwear.

October 8, 2012 at 9:10 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

ricardo: You southpaws seem to obsess on Mitt's drawers.

October 8, 2012 at 9:14 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Jack_Dennis said... "ALPO 7:54: Finally a reasonable post."

Go back and look again, you idiot. You even commit timepos ! LOL

October 8, 2012 at 9:34 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

It's fun to see the liberals squirm and defend this president to the death. It seems liberalism must be protected no matter how many victims it creates. Obama's hijacking of the democratic party to push his socialistic beliefs on Americans speaks volumes of just how gullible the democratic party has become.

Obama has taken the democratic party to the trash heap. Good job Barry!

October 8, 2012 at 9:55 p.m.
TOES02800 said...
October 8, 2012 at 10:09 p.m.
ricardo said...

Bow before your master, toecheese. 4 more years of socialism. Eat it and swallow.

October 8, 2012 at 10:09 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

According to the polls out there retardo, Obama's not doing all that great, let alone kicking anyone's ass. In fact, he's looking kinda pathetic lately.

+You liberals will always tingle where you pee for Obama. But his ship is sinking fast, you should get out while you can and save yourself some face.

October 8, 2012 at 10:16 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

mymy said... "Big, I did not vote for Chucky the first or the second time."

Neither did I. He is an RNC lapdog.

October 8, 2012 at 10:21 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

lkeithlu said... "Romney seems to be the iconic "ugly american" in the mold of GWB"

You may be right. I don't think Romney is really all that interested in foreign policy and would spend most of his time worrying about repairing the economic damage. He will, however, appoint your typical republican operatives in positions affecting foreign policy and the affect will be what we have come to expect from that crowd. Now that Ron Paul is no longer in the picture Gary Johnson is the only candidate that would put an end to this madness.

Anyone that really cares should not endorse any candidate that is willing to grind up our sons in their global ambitions. This, in my mind, is a moral imperative.

October 8, 2012 at 10:35 p.m.
mymy said...

BRP: Ron Paul's weakness was foreign policy!

October 9, 2012 at 3:18 a.m.
rolando said...

This thread has GOT to be the record for comments.

October 9, 2012 at 8:57 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

This thread has GOT to be the record for comments

Indeed-it was up for more than the usual number of days and was followed by something that was local and not very controversial. I suspect the comment list will continue to climb.

October 9, 2012 at 9:17 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

mymy said... "Ron Paul's weakness was foreign policy!"

I don't agree. If you buy the Neocon notion that we need to project military power all over the world and supply security for other nations so they can better afford their expensive socialist programs I guess it is hard to appreciate the brilliance of Ron Paul's foreign policy. I would love to have an honest discussion on this topic but I have never been able to get past the general statements with people who want to label Ron Paul's foreign policy as "crazy".

October 9, 2012 at 11:34 a.m.
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