published Tuesday, October 16th, 2012

The Assassin

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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Jack_Dennis said...

in very poor taste, Bennett.

October 16, 2012 at 12:07 a.m.
AndrewLohr said...

Ha.

Did you draw anything similar about President Clinton or any of the Kennedys? If you tolerate their adulteries, how can you blame Republicans for tending to tolerate (at least politically) those of DJ? Yes, he'll go to Hell unless he repents. (Repent, man! Follow the Billy Graham rule.) But maybe it was genetic..how can you judge his lifestyle...gotta be tolerant (gag). More seriously, he's likely to vote less badly than a Democrat, so there's a case for voting for him even if you keep a shotgun handy when he comes around.

October 16, 2012 at 12:17 a.m.
John_Proctor said...

The pistol barrel in his mouth is way too Freudian, Clay, and very accurate.

October 16, 2012 at 12:23 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

THE DYNAMIC TRIO

Jack, TQ and Andy. Thank you for defending hypocrisy.

October 16, 2012 at 12:26 a.m.
ricardo said...

Yeah, he could have run on a pro-life platform while urging his pregnant girlfriend to have an abortion.

October 16, 2012 at 1:03 a.m.
nucanuck said...

How is he going to get elected in Tennessee if he doesn't at least pretend to believe in the values of the far right. Cut him some slack, he's just another politician.

October 16, 2012 at 1:10 a.m.
alprova said...

AndrewLohr wrote: "Did you draw anything similar about President Clinton or any of the Kennedys?"

Clay was just a lad when the Kennedy's were the topic of the hour.

He did offer a couple of good ones regarding Clinton...

http://www.claybennett.com/pages/impeachment_aftermath.html

http://www.claybennett.com/pages/bomb.html

"If you tolerate their adulteries, how can you blame Republicans for tending to tolerate (at least politically) those of DJ?"

I've not seen anyone condemn the man for his adultery. The condemnation stems from his exposed hypocrisy.

None of the Democrats you mention were elected to office after declaring to their constituent base that they were adamantly anti-abortion, nor did they feel any need to claim that they were morally superior in order to seek votes.

You see, I subscribe to the theory that anyone, no matter who they are, can fall from grace. Everyone sins. This man's claim of moral superiority was based on a now, proven bed of lies.

The thought that he has been actively working to prevent a woman from seeking an abortion, now knowing that he demanded an abortion himself, is abysmal and disgusting.

His legislative record is filled with his dedication to hypocrisy.

He co-sponsored HR 3 - No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act, HR 217 - Title X Abortion Provider Prohibition Act, HR 361 - Abortion Non-Discrimination Act of 2011, HR 370 - Life At Conception Act, and HR 2299 - Child Interstate Abortion Notification Act,

"But maybe it was genetic..how can you judge his lifestyle...gotta be tolerant (gag)."

You are one conflicted soul. Genetic? Sir, we are all, as human beings, genetically disposed to seek to satisfy our sexual urges. If a man satisfies those urges and if a female is impregnated, there is nothing genetic about demanding that she abort the fetus.

Most people don't give a hoot, outside of the board that licenses the man as a Physician, about him romping in bed with a few women. Many people find the man a walking, talking hypocrite, following his demand that a woman abort his own offspring, in light of his legislative record to attempt to prohibit abortion.

"More seriously, he's likely to vote less badly than a Democrat, so there's a case for voting for him even if you keep a shotgun handy when he comes around."

It is amazing to witness someone like yourself practice rampant hypocrisy. I knew you were a nutbar, but I would have never suspected, as a man that has repeatedly rallied anti-abortion sentiment in this forum, that you would offer your personal approval of an elected official who has expressed not an ounce of remorse, to this very day, for his demand that a woman abort his own offspring, because he "votes less badly" than a Democrat.

His total defense has been to blame political opponents for exposing his hypocrisy.

How do you defend yours? Put it into a song and post it on YouTube.

October 16, 2012 at 2:49 a.m.
fairmon said...

She wasn't pregnant, is that true? What was going on if she wasn't actually pregnant? Wierd situation for sure but he is politically done, put a fork in him. I hate to see the republican loss of a seat in congress which threatens grid lock which is the best thing that can happen for voters.

Obama will win so the house needs to remain republican controlled and the senate contorlled by democrats. Check out how much government money is going to Ohio and other swing states to help their economy plus campaign time and money. An incumbent has to run a poor race or do something stupid like Dejarlais to not prevail in an election. Obama may not know his butt from straight up about the economy or what is in the best interest of the U.S. but he is one savvy politician and surrounded by others.

October 16, 2012 at 3:15 a.m.
328Kwebsite said...

The cartoon is not funny.

For decades, there has been a near categoric ban on depicting firearms in this newspaper. This was largely because the owners wished those standards to be in place. As a result, there weren't any ads showing firearms with pictures or drawings.

Go back to that standard.

As for Desjarlais, he fell into a honey trap after taking $960,000 in superpac money for the last election. It's his own undoing. The man let himself be bought off. It's no wonder his opponents and his former patrons are treating him like a pawn. He demoted himself before he got elected.

October 16, 2012 at 5:47 a.m.
EaTn said...

Right-wing conservatives' statements on abortion and religion, health care, fair taxes, education or concern for the young and elderly are all hypocritical positions that only the gullible believe. Do you doubt DesJarlais re-election by the gullible voters?

October 16, 2012 at 6:28 a.m.
fairmon said...

EaTn said... Right-wing conservatives' statements on abortion and religion, health care, fair taxes, education or concern for the young and elderly are all hypocritical positions that only the gullible believe.

Very true statements regarding the right-wing which also applies to left-wing liberals, only the gullible believe either of them.

October 16, 2012 at 6:52 a.m.
fairmon said...

The cartoon depiction is a very poor choice for communicating what has occurred.

October 16, 2012 at 6:56 a.m.
fairmon said...

Desjarlais failure was saying what people wanted to hear in order to be elected......wait, how many politicians are guilty of that? Is that not how Obama got elected? Is that not what Romney is doing? Obama did not keep most of his promises but makes excuses and promises to keep doing the same thing but get better results if elected again. Romney is making different promises that he can't keep with both working hard to convince people they are the right choice.

They agree on one thing, keeping Gary Johnson out of the debates and ignoring him. They have no reason to do that, Johnson is way to prone to tell it like it is to get elected.

October 16, 2012 at 7:09 a.m.
librul said...

PULL IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

October 16, 2012 at 7:14 a.m.
fairmon said...

Both parties love cockatoos like alprova and mountain laurel that faithfully parrot and defend the party line. In their case anything democrat is good and anything republican is bad. Others are the opposite with anything republican good and if democrat it is bad. Neither have a record to run on therefore negative ads and comments are their only available strategy. Romney cannot compete with the Chicago mafia in this type contest....Obama wins.

October 16, 2012 at 7:22 a.m.
fairmon said...

Who believes the democrats would have been less critical or would have ignored desjarlais if he had run as a pro-choice candidate?

October 16, 2012 at 7:37 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

harp, John Edwards committed similar sins, and even though he was not running on a family values platform his career in politics is over.

October 16, 2012 at 7:50 a.m.
EaTn said...

harp3339 said... "Who believes the democrats would have been less critical or would have ignored desjarlais if he had run as a pro-choice candidate?"

The difference between the anti-abortion and pro-choice is that the pro-choice bunch believe that women should make the decision about their bodies, rather than the politicians. Pro-choice does not imply pro-abortion.

October 16, 2012 at 7:50 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

I've said before that DesJarlais is an a-hole. My take on the toon is apolitical. It's simply in bad form.

October 16, 2012 at 8:05 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

You know, JD, I think I agree with you. Can't put a finger on it, but I find it disturbing.

October 16, 2012 at 8:13 a.m.
joneses said...

When did dummycrats start caring about infidelity or abortion? Maybe Bill Clinton or John Edwards would like to weigh in on this issue.

October 16, 2012 at 8:26 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

jones, try to pay attention. It is not the acts themselves as much as how they make him a hypocrite. He supports abortion rights only when it is convenient to him. He ran on a values platform.

October 16, 2012 at 8:28 a.m.
alprova said...

"Both parties love cockatoos like alprova and mountain laurel that faithfully parrot and defend the party line. In their case anything democrat is good and anything republican is bad."

I reject that charge, as presented. There is no question that I am on board with what the national Democrats stand for today and it is just as true that I find national Republicans less than worthy of my vote, but yesterday I voted for several local Republicans.

I happen to find the current Governor of Georgia, Nathan Deal, a pleasant surprise and fully support his efforts to make sensible tax changes in the state. He is on track to receive my vote to reelect him in 2014.

You Sir, apparently support a political party with a platform that most people have found unrealistic for decades. This election, you have touted a candidate who cannot drum up more than 6 percent support in his own home state.

Yes, Barack Obama is a Democrat. I defend the man due to the sheer amount of lies that are relentlessly floated out there like turds in a swimming pool. Has he been a perfect President thus far? No, but this country is on the path to recovery, despite all those working against the man, and I do think he deserves and will win reelection to a second term.

"Neither have a record to run on therefore negative ads and comments are their only available strategy."

I disagree with you there too. President Obama has most definitely amassed a record of achievements during his first term, but the unfortunate thing is that they will not be appreciated until long after he is out of office.

"Romney cannot compete with the Chicago mafia in this type contest....Obama wins."

Who are all these mafia men that are supposedly running things? That is as baseless a charge as all the others one reads when it comes to Barack Obama.

October 16, 2012 at 8:36 a.m.
joneses said...

Did anyone see where Hussein Obama has hung Hillary out to dry? First Bill Clinton made Hillary go on national TV and say "He (Bill Clinton) did not have sex with that women" and now Hussein Obama is making her take the blame for the terrorist murder of the American Ambassador in Libya to cover his and Joe Bite me's own ass. It sounds like Hussein Obama and Joe Bite Me have a war on women, or at least a war on one woman. How more pathetic can Hussein and Bite Me actually be?

October 16, 2012 at 8:45 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

lu: hell hath frozen over

October 16, 2012 at 8:50 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

walk it back, Bennett.

October 16, 2012 at 8:56 a.m.
whatsnottaken said...

A picture is worth a thousand words, but only from ALPROVA, who uses such to contradict anything from everybody. What a gas bag.

October 16, 2012 at 8:58 a.m.
conservative said...

EaTn said... "Right-wing conservatives' statements on abortion and religion, health care, fair taxes, education or concern for the young and elderly are all hypocritical positions that only the gullible believe. Do you doubt DesJarlais re-election by the gullible voters?"

If that were true you would be elated.

October 16, 2012 at 8:58 a.m.
Walden said...

Tasteless

October 16, 2012 at 8:59 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

I do however agree, it is in bad taste to make a joke about his purported threat of suicide in the past

I had forgotten reading about this. That must be the source of my discomfort. (not to mention having lost people this way.)

lu: hell hath frozen over

Indeed. I'll pack my sled!

October 16, 2012 at 9:03 a.m.
alprova said...

joneses wrote: "When did dummycrats start caring about infidelity or abortion?"

Let me see if I can illustrate to you exactly what the problem is, and how convoluted your thinking is, when it comes to your perceptions of Liberals and abortion.

Not one person has raised any issues with the man's infidelity. Cheating spouses are a dime a dozen these days, and I am under no illusion that people who claim to be morally superior are immune from any temptation to stray.

But the man was a practicing Physician, who knew that playing in the sandbox with his patients is prohibited by the board that grants him his license to practice.

I don't know a Liberal alive, who believes that abortion should be used by anyone exclusively as a means of birth control. I know several Liberals who have made the conscience choice to go forward with unplanned pregnancies.

EaTN said it best. People who are pro-choice does not mean that they are pro-abortion, case closed. Abortion should be a last resort and carefully considered after weighing all other options, and it should always be up to the woman who will have the blessing/burden to provide the sustenance for that child 24/7/365 for approximately 18 years following it's birth.

"Maybe Bill Clinton or John Edwards would like to weigh in on this issue."

Maybe you folks need to quit raising examples of Democrats who have fallen from grace as your only justification for supporting a man like Scott DesJarlais, who ran for office, claiming to support family values and to be adamantly opposed to abortion, and worse, has refused to take any responsibility for his past.

Bill Clinton has only his wife to answer to for what he did. She apparently decided to forgive the man.

John Edwards is a father to his child, that was conceived as a result of his infidelity, and has returned to private life, a disgraced politician for his misdeeds.

October 16, 2012 at 9:13 a.m.
conservative said...

EaTn said... "Pro-choice does not imply pro-abortion."

Of course it does! It is a vague and euphemistic term invented by PRO-ABORTION evil people.

Macmillan ( choice) noun
the opportunity or right to choose between different things

October 16, 2012 at 9:13 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

All leftist females, NOW crowd, etc. should boycott election after BHO dropped Hillary in the grease. Clearly a calculated move made in chicago.

October 16, 2012 at 9:28 a.m.
alprova said...

EaTn said... "Right-wing conservatives' statements on abortion and religion, health care, fair taxes, education or concern for the young and elderly are all hypocritical positions that only the gullible believe. Do you doubt DesJarlais re-election by the gullible voters?"

conservative responded with: "If that were true you would be elated."

It is not an absolute statement that applies to all, but that comment hits the mark far more often than not.

I have something to add to that list. Concern or caring for the poor.

In your case, you are quite hypocritical when it comes to some of your own expressed positions regarding the poor, and some of the other points make their way into your corner too.

Just yesterday, you were gullible enough to express the belief that anyone can achieve paying taxes at the same rate as Mitt Romney, simply by forgoing cigarettes, alcohol, eating out, going to a movie, and by skimping on the purchase of a dependable motor vehicle.

October 16, 2012 at 9:32 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Now ALPO can intuit your posiiton on the poor. Amazin Kreskin. What a dolt.

October 16, 2012 at 9:36 a.m.
moon4kat said...

Actually, this cartoon is right on point, especially since the former Mrs. DesJarlais submitted an affidavit during their divorce, saying DesJarlais had put a pistol in his mouth and "dry fired" it in an attempt to scare her. DesJarlais claims "character assassination" when he has done the damage to himself. The cartoon says it all.

October 16, 2012 at 9:53 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

moonie: Many people have been afftected by suicide. Maybe they don't see the need for this. Maybe you're an insensitive clod.

October 16, 2012 at 9:56 a.m.
mymy said...

21 Days to Go!

It is still the economy/jobs/foreign policy/direction of country/National Security here/abroad and the growing debt.

Tick, Tock, Tick, Tock

October 16, 2012 at 10:01 a.m.
hotdiggity said...

Sorry Cons, the toon epitomizes exactly what the man has done to himself and the people who supported him. He was the one who sat outside his wife's bedroom dry firing a gun feigning suicide. Perhaps a person who is this unstable should not be allowed to have a gun?

The toon depicts an analogy of this also in showing that the character assassination he claims from his opponent was rendered by himself. HIS choices have destroyed himself. His political suicide was of his own hypocritical doing.

I,m sure the Cons will show the same amount of pious rejection of this individual that that showed with John Edwards or others who committed adultery. Right?

October 16, 2012 at 10:09 a.m.
miraweb said...

It looks like my my has been turned over to a campaign-bot.

I am a huge fan of Clay but I found this toon over the top. It makes more sense with moonkat's clarification as I didn't know about DJL crazy dry-fire attempt.

Still a big fan but this isn't one of my favorites.

October 16, 2012 at 10:28 a.m.
bret said...

This cartoon isn't in bad taste. It is quite accurate since DesJarlais did reportedly once put a gun in his mouth and threaten suicide. It is Scott DesJarlais and his lying hypocrisy that is tasteless. Why anyone would vote for this creep is beyond me. The guy changes his story more than Mitt Romney.

October 16, 2012 at 10:31 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

diggety: He pretty much WILL BE rejected. Or should be. Not defending him, but the cartoon was insensitive. You lefties must realize this. You're the party of sensitivity. No?

October 16, 2012 at 10:36 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Mira: Thanks for the occasional show of backbone.

October 16, 2012 at 10:40 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Electric Car Battery Maker A123 Systems Files Bankruptcy

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-16/electric-car-battery-maker-a123-systems-files-bankruptcy.html?cmpid=yhoo

Who gives a rats cheesehole about DesJarlais. Here's another cool $120 million blown by Obama.

October 16, 2012 at 10:48 a.m.
conservative said...

Psalm 139:14 KJV

I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made : marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.

Yet Liberals often grind up into pieces their own and call it a choice. How did these Liberals become so evil?

October 16, 2012 at 10:55 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

I wonder why Hillary took so long to finally "accept responsibility". They should be watching her bank accounts closely.

October 16, 2012 at 11:01 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Hillary Clinton Exposed, Movie She Banned From Theaters - Full

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=OOy6ZagodUE

She should be in prison anyway.

October 16, 2012 at 11:04 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Neera Tanden, a former aide to both Bill Clinton and Barack Obama, had this to say about the relationship of the two presidents:

Clinton, being Clinton, had plenty of advice in mind and was desperate to impart it. But for the first two years of Obama’s term, the phone calls Clinton kept expecting rarely came. “People say the reason Obama wouldn’t call Clinton is because he doesn’t like him,” observes Tanden. “The truth is, Obama doesn’t call anyone, and he’s not close to almost anyone. It’s stunning that he’s in politics, because he really doesn’t like people. My analogy is that it’s like becoming Bill Gates without liking computers.”

October 16, 2012 at 11:07 a.m.
alprova said...

TOES02800 wrote: "Who gives a rats cheesehole about DesJarlais. Here's another cool $120 million blown by Obama."

Actually, the amount in question was $249 million, and of course, the President had nothing at all to do with the approval of that grant.

The problem is not the product or the company that produced those batteries. The problem is that Americans are not buying electric cars fast enough to make them a successful venture.

From the article;

"Electric-vehicle sales since 2011 totaled fewer than 50,000 through September, just 5 percent of Obama’s target to have 1 million such vehicles on U.S. roads by 2015."

If I were in the market for a new vehicle, I would absolutely purchase a 100% electric model, for it would fit my personal needs 100%. Perhaps in a year or so.

October 16, 2012 at 11:09 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

This page looks like a complete waste of time today.

October 16, 2012 at 11:23 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

ALPO says "If I were in the market for a new vehicle, I would absolutely purchase a 100% electric model, for it would fit my personal needs 100%. Perhaps in a year or so." But most of the great unwashed do not share your keen insight, Cliff.

October 16, 2012 at 11:25 a.m.
disgusted01 said...

Clay Bennett your a pig. To promote suicide (get off tour golden journalistic fantasy throne because thats exactly what your doing) is a new low even for you. You make this Independent voter think about turning Republican. Thats 2 strikes against you. Consider growing up for a change.

October 16, 2012 at 11:26 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

I gave him a break on the $249 million because I learned that they only used about half of that. Read on, The money they used was "stimulus money" that was Obama's much touted "economic savoir".

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-16/electric-car-battery-maker-a123-systems-files-bankruptcy.html?cmpid=yhoo

Being sneaky by saying, " the President had nothing at all to do with the approval of that grant", is misleading and disingenuous at best. You think the word "approval" distances Obama from this financial blunder. But you're dead wrong. The money in question was taken directly from Obama's "stimulus stash", whereby, leaving him holding the bag for yet another taxpayer funded fiasco.

You can't "approve a grant" with money you don't have, which makes Obama directly responsible for it.

October 16, 2012 at 11:27 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

disgusted01: Come in to the light........we have pie!!

October 16, 2012 at 11:32 a.m.
miraweb said...

Plus Paul Ryan is stopping by later to wash up!

October 16, 2012 at 11:39 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

"It’s clearly a big deal to the Obama administration, which has been trying to prove (with varying degrees of success) that its clean power stimulus package has been creating jobs and stimulating the economy. President Obama reportedly congratulated the company in a phone call this morning".

http://gigaom.com/cleantech/stimulus-milestone-a123-opens-largest-u-s-ev-battery-plant/

October 16, 2012 at 11:42 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Don't hate.

October 16, 2012 at 11:54 a.m.
mymy said...

miraweb said...

It looks like my my has been turned over to a campaign-bot

Anything else is a waste of time on a site for the mentally retarded!!!!

October 16, 2012 at 11:58 a.m.
degage said...

According to Al, Obama has nothing to do with anything that might look like he isn't doing his job. Now Hillary is taking the blame for Obama. When this first started why didn't he take the time to find out what was going on instead of going off to party with his buddies. Instead He finds another person to take the blame for his incompatence.

October 16, 2012 at 12:23 p.m.
miraweb said...

mymy - Anything else is a waste of time on a site for the mentally retarded!!!!

Making friends, getting votes - the Romney campaign loves you, yes it does!

October 16, 2012 at 12:51 p.m.
miraweb said...

Secretary Clinton has the second hardest job in the world. The past three years have hardly been diplomatic easy street.

There is a subtle gender bias in how her remark is being interpreted. There seems to be a subtext that "a woman" is taking the blame for Obama.

Colin Powell, the previous Secretary of State did not get that criticism when he admitted a failure on his watch about the U.N. 'yellowcake' speech:

"A blot, a failure will always be attached to me. I am mad mostly at myself for not having smelled the problem. My instincts failed me." - Colin Powell

Not one person criticized Powell in the same way that they are criticizing Clinton. Chivalry can be a soft form of gender bias.

October 16, 2012 at 1:02 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

And MIRA, some people see it when it's not there.

October 16, 2012 at 2:15 p.m.
JustOneWoman said...

Jack_Dennis said... And MIRA, some people see it when it's not there.

I think all of us women saw it. Don't mind Jack. He just wishes he was a woman.

October 16, 2012 at 2:38 p.m.
JustOneWoman said...

tu_quoque said... If any of you have proof that Congressman DesJarlais did any of these things now is the time to present them. Otherwise this whole story will have to be considered B.S. hearsay on your part.

Is that you Congressman DesJarlais?

Karma is a female dog, is it not?

October 16, 2012 at 2:41 p.m.
miraweb said...

JOW writes: Don't mind Jack. He just wishes he was a woman.

You know - there are ways to help him with that. Modern medicine can do wonders.

October 16, 2012 at 3:11 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Ikeithlu said: "It is not the acts themselves as much as how they make him a hypocrite. He supports abortion rights only when it is convenient to him. He ran on a values platform."

Values, indeed. Mitt Romney doesn’t drink or smoke for religious reasons. Yet, when he was the CEO of Bain & Co., his consulting firm created a sales pitch that has been linked to an unprecented jump in smoking among high school-aged kids:

WASHINGTON -- When Mitt Romney served as CEO of Bain & Co., his consulting firm helped tobacco giant Philip Morris develop a groundbreaking sales strategy that researchers say has been linked to an unprecedented spike in youth smoking.

On Friday April 2, 1993, Philip Morris stunned Wall Street and tobacco experts by the slashing price on its flagship Marlboro brand by 40 cents a pack, to $1.80. It was a landmark day for the tobacco industry, one that became known as "Marlboro Friday" to public health experts.

The radical move was deemed by top Philip Morris executives as necessary based in part on more than two years of Bain research. Marlboro sales were slumping amid pressure from an expanding discount cigarette market, and the prospect of higher cigarette taxes had the company concerned about long-term profitability.

Investors initially pummeled Philip Morris for the price cut, chopping more than 20 percent from the company's stock price in a day. But within weeks, a cigarette price war was raging. . . A year later, Philip Morris stock had fully recovered, and continued to make steady gains over the coming four years. Marlboro Friday ultimately proved to be the tobacco industry's most successful effort to increase domestic profit in the face of heavier regulations.

The profit was the result of soaring sales that coincided with an unprecedented jump in smoking among high school- aged youth. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's Youth Risk Behavior Survey, found that the portion of young people who had smoked at least one cigarette in the previous month rose nearly 20 percent from 1993 to 1997. Youth smoking increased in all categories from that occasional user to the regular user.

It was the single largest four-year growth in youth smoking since the surgeon general had issued a report in 1964 linking cigarettes to cancer, according to Matthew Myers, president of the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/16/mitt-romney-bain-philip-morris_n_1968152.html

October 16, 2012 at 3:16 p.m.
mymy said...

miraweb said...

mymy - Anything else is a waste of time on a site for the mentally retarded!!!!

Making friends, getting votes - the Romney campaign loves you, yes it does!

LOL

When did this site become a place to win friends and gain votes from the braindead Obama Cult?

October 16, 2012 at 3:16 p.m.
WHS1970 said...

Not only is Dr D a hypocrite, he makes every bible thumping, family values conservative that still supports him into one.

October 16, 2012 at 4:08 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Don't be so mean spirited, ladies. For cryin out loud.

October 16, 2012 at 4:08 p.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said....

If I were in the market for a new vehicle, I would absolutely purchase a 100% electric model, for it would fit my personal needs 100%. Perhaps in a year or so.

Go ahead, congress will make sure we all help pay for it. It may not be so great when everyone has an electric car. They get home from work plug it in to charge. The grid is strained now, what happens at that point? Borrow a trillion or two and get to work?

October 16, 2012 at 4:17 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

harp: ALPO would covertly run an extension cord to neighbor's house.

October 16, 2012 at 4:21 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

So sayeth the good minister Farrakhan:“All of the punishments that are written in the Koran never came to pass in the time of Prophet Muhammad…never — but every plague — every plague that is written in the Koran is going to come to pass in America under the modern Pharaoh, in the modern Rome, in the modern Babylon, in the modern Sodom and Gomorrah — take it or let it alone,” he proclaimed."

is this the good friend of Rev. Wright? The friend of, well, you know....

October 16, 2012 at 4:24 p.m.
patriot1 said...

Exactly Jack, someone else should have to pay for it

October 16, 2012 at 4:32 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Mymy claims: "the Romney campaign loves you, yes it does!"

With the exception of high-school aged kids, of course:

"When Mitt Romney served as CEO of Bain & Co., his consulting firm helped tobacco giant Philip Morris develop a groundbreaking sales strategy that researchers say has been linked to an unprecedented spike in youth smoking. . ."

" . . . It was the single largest four-year growth in youth smoking since the surgeon general had issued a report in 1964 linking cigarettes to cancer, according to Matthew Myers, president of the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/16/mitt-romney-bain-philip-morris_n_1968152.html

October 16, 2012 at 5:20 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Romney promotes smoking!!!! Bwahahahahaha

Here's another funny : Obama is great at math. He divides the country, subtracts jobs, adds debt and multiplies misery.” YEEE HAWWW

October 16, 2012 at 5:42 p.m.
fairmon said...

ML posted an article.....

The radical move was deemed by top Philip Morris executives as necessary based in part on more than two years of Bain research. Marlboro sales were slumping amid pressure from an expanding discount cigarette market, and the prospect of higher cigarette taxes had the company concerned about long-term profitability.

Investors initially pummeled Philip Morris for the price cut, chopping more than 20 percent from the company's stock price in a day. But within weeks, a cigarette price war was raging. . . A year later, Philip Morris stock had fully recovered, and continued to make steady gains over the coming four years. Marlboro Friday ultimately proved to be the tobacco industry's most successful effort to increase domestic profit in the face of heavier regulations.

So the consulting firm did what they were hired to do. What is the message here? I do consulting work, would you recommend I refuse to work with a company making a product or providing a service I don't use or like?

I understand your worship of Obama, this is a bit of a stretch to slam his opponent. I put Obama in the same category as a drug dealer, they use the same approach and, in my opinion, deserve similar fates.

October 16, 2012 at 5:50 p.m.
dude_abides said...

tu_quoque said... "If any of you have proof that Congressman DesJarlais did any of these things now is the time to present them. Otherwise this whole story will have to be considered B.S. hearsay on your part."

I assume you're speaking of the crazy sh!t that the only other person who was there said happened, which was refuted by the person that has a keen interest in DJ Scotty getting elected, and not about the crazy sh!t that DJ Scotty has readily admitted to, involving four affairs plus the recording he admits is of him in which he can be heard pressing his ex patient/squeeze to get an abortion.

October 16, 2012 at 6:01 p.m.
dude_abides said...

harpesII said... "I understand your worship of Obama, this is a bit of a stretch to slam his opponent. I put Obama in the same category as a drug dealer, they use the same approach and, in my opinion, deserve similar fates."

WOW! Are you going to continue your hard right turn until election day, friend? lol Finally the pretext goes away! You want the President jailed? LMAO The funny part is that you don't see how transparent you are. You're a bit of a stretch, yourself, you agent provocateur, you.

October 16, 2012 at 6:13 p.m.
miraweb said...

harp observes - So the consulting firm did what they were hired to do. What is the message here? I do consulting work, would you recommend I refuse to work with a company making a product or providing a service I don't use or like?

I think the question should be whether consulting is an "ethics free" zone.

If I have a nasty bit of work that needs doing and hire a consultant I can claim "plausable deniability" and the consultant may say they were just a "hired gun."

So - is no one then at fault?

Selling tobacco to adults is legal - but deadly. If you don't know the stuff could kill you, you must be living in Bin Laden's old cave in Afghanistan.

Selling tobacco to children has no legal, ethical, or moral standing at all. Being a hired gun to do the job doesn't guarantee you clean hands.

Nor does dressing up the job in Powerpoint presentations, pie charts, consultant-speak, and over-catered breakfast meetings.

October 16, 2012 at 6:16 p.m.
dude_abides said...

tu_quoque Chokes On Her Dentures:

I simply asked if you were referring to the crazy sh!t that he has admitted to. Would his word be proof? Can you prove Caligula was sadistic? Were you there (in Desjarlais' bedroom, not Rome)?

October 16, 2012 at 6:23 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Jack_Dennis said: “Romney promotes smoking!!!! Bwahahahahaha.”

Actually, Romney only peddled "smoking" for the rest of us. . . Personally, he doesn’t believe in smoking because of religious reasons. . . Apparently, it’s one of the Mormon commandments.

You know like the Christian commandment, “Thou shall not commit adultery.”

As I understand it, the Mormons consider smoking to be a sign of weakness in a person's character, and the people that smoke are considered to be unworthy in the religious sense. . . So much so that they are not allowed to partake of the Mormon sacraments.

October 16, 2012 at 6:24 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Smokers should receive medals for paying the taxes that support everything from schools and education to children's hospitals. California's anti-smoking campaign has worked so well, that many children's hospitals had to close.

October 16, 2012 at 6:37 p.m.
miraweb said...

Breaking news: Mitt Romney has issued a formal apology to the St Vincent de Paul soup kitchen in Youngstown, Ohio for the visit from his running mate Paul Ryan.

"These people do important work. We support that. We apologize for any inconvenience our actions caused the staff, the volunteers, and the people served by this fine organization."

Mr. Romney's apology was accompanied by a $10,000 check from his personal funds to assist the soup kitchen in its mission.

Just kidding

Here is the real update:

"It was a great opportunity to highlight the importance of volunteerism and local charities." - official statement by Ryan spokesman Michael Steele.

October 16, 2012 at 6:41 p.m.
jdavid said...

Admit it-- the Republicans are just relieved that it was a woman.

October 16, 2012 at 6:48 p.m.
alprova said...

Given the comments today, I'm more motivated than ever to go shopping for a 100% electric car this weekend. While I'm at it, I think I'll file those financial assistance papers to see if I can get assistance with my hospital bills.

That ought to chap a few hind ends.

I'll be sure and post the proper thank you's when I drive it home or when my bills are paid.

October 16, 2012 at 6:54 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Recommitted his life! Priceless! And Rational, tu_!

October 16, 2012 at 6:54 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

CLAY BENNETT: Free tip. On me. Show BHO using Hillary as a human shield. Accurate and funny. Yours, gratis.

October 16, 2012 at 7:24 p.m.
dude_abides said...

No praise for "another one." I say we divest ourselves of this junk like the Tennessee Conservative Union is doing.

October 16, 2012 at 7:26 p.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said...

Given the comments today, I'm more motivated than ever to go shopping for a 100% electric car this weekend.

Go for it, some here may hope you find it a shocking experience.

October 16, 2012 at 7:29 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

While your at it alpo, stop and get you some free food too!! Courtesy of the working class, of course.

Record High Enrollment for Food Stamps: 46,681,833 Million

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/record-high-enrollment-food-stamps-46681833-million_654653.html

Hell, maybe even get a tramp stamp for your old lady as well.

October 16, 2012 at 7:30 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

hard to imagine ALPO eliminating GAS

October 16, 2012 at 7:32 p.m.
miraweb said...

The Washington Post has also noticed the biases in the discussions around Secretary Clinton:

Would anyone say that about a male secretary of state? Very likely, no. If a man stood up and took responsibility for a failure in his department, he would be admired as handling the problem with a tough-as-nails manner. They would say a male secretary of state “manned up.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/she-the-people/wp/2012/10/16/hillary-clinton-is-not-a-doormat-for-obama/

October 16, 2012 at 7:38 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Florida Passes Plan For Racially-Based Academic Expectations With Asians Highest Blacks Lowest

http://somedude68-1.newsvine.com/_news/2012/10/15/14447002-florida-passes-plan-for-racially-based-academic-expectations-with-asians-highest-blacks-lowest

Is Florida saying that black kids aren't as smart as white kids? Or Asians? WOW! Talk about dumbing down society.

October 16, 2012 at 7:38 p.m.
fairmon said...

miraweb said...

I think the question should be whether consulting is an "ethics free" zone.

There is no excuse for illegal or dishonest behavior. Who will be the "ethics czar" in the context you are referring to? If I tell you a perfectly legal way to achieve a business improvement and you do that have I done something unethical? If yes, consider me unethical.

There was no study done to confirm the theory in the article ML posted that kids were influenced to smoke. You can find a number of other theories suggesting the same thing. Could it be a parenting problem?

October 16, 2012 at 7:38 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Harp3339 said: “I understand your worship of Obama, this is a bit of a stretch to slam his opponent. I put Obama in the same category as a drug dealer.”

Since in real life it was Mitt Romney who was the drug dealer of sorts, your perspective on Bain's tobacco sales pitch is rather revealing, Harp3339. A little biased toward the master speculator and manipulator who bought, sold, flipped and stripped businesses so he could rake in huge profits - leaving everyone else to hold the bag? I'd say so.

Harp3339 said: “I do consulting work, would you recommend I refuse to work with a company making a product or providing a service I don't use or like?”

To each his own, Harp3339. In the case of Bain’s CEO, some people have ethics and some people do not have ethics – Romney’s involvment in the sales pitch for the tobacco industry says he didn’t have any. Not only was Romney willing to put his alleged religious views aside to make a few more bucks, but he showed a real indifference to fact that he was peddling something that is/was a real health risk for his fellow citizens – and their children.

October 16, 2012 at 7:42 p.m.
miraweb said...

TQQ - you need to take care with one statement. Attorneys are sometimes misleading when they say a court did not reach a finding on an issue vs the court made a decision.

Courts often do not make a finding on many issues in front of them. In divorce cases, one or both parties are often jerks and have engaged in bizarre behavior. Being a jerk is not a crime. Bizarre behaviors are the stock-in-trade in divorce hearings.

As far as I know, no state has a law against putting a gun in your own mouth and blank firing it. Just doesn't really come up that often.

A judge probably wouldn't care, from a legal standpoint, whether the allegation was proven or not.

It could be supporting of an allegation of abuse but all of the evidence would be under consideration.

Not reaching an issue means a court found it unnecessary to have an opinion.

This is often because the court decided the case on other grounds.

Courts, who are setting precedents, try to have as few unnecessary opinions as possible. It makes life easier for everyone.

October 16, 2012 at 7:51 p.m.
fairmon said...

dude said.....

WOW! Are you going to continue your hard right turn until election day, friend? lol Finally the pretext goes away! You want the President jailed? LMAO The funny part is that you don't see how transparent you are. You're a bit of a stretch, yourself, you agent provocateur, you.

No pretext, I meant what I said. I haven't changed my opinion. I support a small government with respect for state sovereignty. I would like to see fiscal responsibility with social liberty. I will proudly vote for Gary Johnson and continue thinking your man is a bumbling idiot. I admit your man will be elected and between him and his opponent it makes little difference as some will learn the hard way.

You like Obama, by all means defend and support him but no one will convince me to support either of the two party candidates. Obama's dealing and getting people hooked is legal so jail not an option. A fate similar to that deserved by a drug dealer does not mean jail is the only option.

October 16, 2012 at 7:51 p.m.
joneses said...

Another failed Hussein Obama green energy investment. How much money has Hussein Obama wasted on these failed companies?

http://autos.yahoo.com/blogs/motoramic/battery-builder-a123-won-249-million-federal-grant-143806554.html

October 16, 2012 at 7:58 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Debate Preview: Obama Knows He's Full of It, Romney Knows Obama's Full of It -- and Obama Knows Romney Knows He's Full of It

October 16, 2012 at 8 p.m.
miraweb said...

harp -

Goldman Sachs took an interesting turn this year. They once had a sterling reputation for long-term value. That reputation got pretty banged up in the past few years.

They formed a new unit whose job was to evaluate, not if a project was financially feasible, but if a project was worth doing. They wanted to know if a project was worth the time and resources that would go into - on some other measure than ROI.

We have yet to see if GS can turn the ship but if they can get religion there is some hope for the rest.

October 16, 2012 at 8:05 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Honey Boo Boo Endorses Obama. No kidding. One of the 47% no doubt.

October 16, 2012 at 8:09 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

FLOTUS: 'Barack doesn't have a big ego'

http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/10/flotus-barack-doesnt-have-a-big-ego-138661.html

Moochelle says Barack doesn't have a big ego!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!.....

October 16, 2012 at 8:21 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free."

Goethe

October 16, 2012 at 8:39 p.m.
dude_abides said...

tu_, it's sad you were raised in an environment that bred such base thought. You return to it so often. Even that same scenario. I must have been sheltered, I have never met a woman of such low standards, thank God. I'm sure you know of many.

October 16, 2012 at 8:41 p.m.
ricardo said...
October 16, 2012 at 8:50 p.m.
degage said...

Wow! dude said thank God! I was under the impression he was an athiest by some of his post. Think he got religion?

October 16, 2012 at 8:56 p.m.
miraweb said...

Ok - what is with Romney and killing off birds? Big birds, little birds . . . what gives?

October 16, 2012 at 9:18 p.m.
dude_abides said...

degage... yes, I'm not surprised that you'd miss that, since you're so off the mark on virtually everything else. God just said to tell you that you've still got time for one more 40 before bed.

October 16, 2012 at 10:58 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

You're the one who evolved from apes retardo. Remember?

October 16, 2012 at 11 p.m.
miraweb said...

My vote is for Candy Crowley. Well done!

October 16, 2012 at 11:03 p.m.
TOES02800 said...
October 16, 2012 at 11:13 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Plus Elmo and bigbird are multi-millionaires. They can take care of themselves.

October 16, 2012 at 11:14 p.m.
tderng said...

The "moderator" jumps in to help Obama.What a tool.

October 16, 2012 at 11:16 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Obama: "Let me first begin by dodging the hell out of your Libya question ..."

October 16, 2012 at 11:22 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Does anyone have any info on whether the President called the Libya attack an act of terrorism on the day after, in the Rose Garden? It seemed to be a major point for both Obama and Romney. Can't find a video to prove which one is a POS liar. Little help?

October 16, 2012 at 11:28 p.m.
miraweb said...

And let me end by getting fact checked while I 'm being kind of a dick because the moderator did her homework - Mitt

October 16, 2012 at 11:30 p.m.
miraweb said...

Foreign Policy is reporting the President actually said "act of terror" twice that day - once in the Rose Garden and once in Colorado. Waiting to see how the political hacks decide to spin this one.

October 16, 2012 at 11:36 p.m.
alprova said...

It is a fact that the President referred to what happened in Libya as an act of terror.

October 16, 2012 at 11:41 p.m.
dude_abides said...

That watershed moment (regarding the veracity of the two candidates) in which they squared off and basically called each other liars has legs (whichever one of them was telling the truth about what the President said) because it is a touchstone, a road map to the very crux of this election, which is truthfulness in our leaders. Anybody found a video yet?

October 16, 2012 at 11:43 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Aha!!! Thanks for finding that video, alprova. So many issues on this thread end up lacking a definitive answer, it's nice to have ironclad proof about this critical character issue. Wow.

October 16, 2012 at 11:46 p.m.
miraweb said...

The critical phrase is at 4:20 in the original wh video.

October 16, 2012 at 11:50 p.m.
alprova said...

CNN Debate poll among registered voters.

33 percent Democrats. 33 percent Republicans.

Barack Obama won - 46%

Mitt Romney won - 36%

October 16, 2012 at 11:58 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Romney looks worse each time they replay that exchange. LOL

"Please proceed, Governor."

October 17, 2012 at 12:05 a.m.
nowfedup said...

Rather disgusted with this new sliding moral and ethics scale when someone in politics/celebs/sports etc does a proven dirty or unethical or totally hypocritical act and is somehow excused because "////// (you fill in name) did it or same.

Seems in the quest for power, money etc, all one needs to do when caught is get fools to support them by finding someone else did same, accused of same etc, and all is then well. Hope poster with at least double digit IQ's note that 80% of posts ref not PROVEN action of this guy, but point out others have or allegedly did same or worse.

Now how such a ethical value systems works in a civil society escap[es any logic, as it seems the moral bar is now set anywhere one can find anyone else did. Not sure if this is result of ignorant, panicked or simply stupid or quite possibly the ethical and morally brightest and best no longer run for offices as cannot understand why proven moral hypocrites are still supported and do not wish to enter that swamp smelly mud pit.

So continue to play the "well so and so did it or same etc" and then wonder why the nation is failing and falling behind world in nearly every meaningful measurement. If you folks ever have the courage, develop real moral/ethical values, use them instead of fearful spin on "well my guy did that but so did //////" maybe hope for the kids and the nation, for now it would seem truths and reality of real values is no longer alive and well in USA, and so we end up with this type in office and fools of low character supporting obvious proven hypocrisy. IF that is what you feel should be elected to any office, as you lack a candidate of character and are in fact voting AGAINST THE OTHER SIDE, NOT FOR YOU CANDIDATE, you can in truth be considered a much a hypocrite as the candidate, a fearful citizen who is neither patriot nor of value to this nations future who value system consists of not demanding best run for offices, rather anyone of any values as you can and will justify any behavior as "well look at what //// did". How sad is this destruction of our most precious right, to vote.

October 17, 2012 at 10:11 a.m.
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