published Tuesday, September 11th, 2012

"Gays' struggle not based in civil rights" and more Letters to the Editors

Gays' struggle not based in civil rights

Homosexual advocates claim their struggle is to guarantee civil rights, but it is not. Civil rights are defined by civil law, and African-Americans' struggle in the '60s was only a civil rights campaign because the 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution granted them the full rights of citizens and the 15th Amendment forbade discrimination based on race. Jim Crowe laws, lynchings and blatantly racist judges and juries denied them those rights, so they had to protest to end the violations.

Without a similar amendment forbidding discrimination based on sexual orientation, same-sex marriage is only a civil right in states that allow it. In other states, no right exists to be violated.

To create the illusion they had such rights, homosexuals, by redefining the word "marriage," co-opted marriage laws never written to refer to them. But this idea that individuals can each reinterpret the law according to her or her own convenience has as much legal legitimacy as calling "taxes" theft to avoid paying them, and those who promote such misconceptions evidence a similar ignorance and a questionable (or demagogic) mentality.

DR. BRIAN HALE

Red Bank


Just where do coupon funds go?

Re: The Aug. 29 Life section E article, "Kids First Coupon Books Program kicks off its 25th anniversary": Since then, the coupon book has raised nearly $14 million for area elementary schools, said Kris Humber, executive director for Hamilton County school funds. Wow! If so, then can somebody please let us and our schools know where all this money is going to because it sure isn't going toward any supplies.

According to a news release, the schools use the funds to pay for technological upgrades, curriculum materials, classroom supplies, field trips and other needs. But it sure is funny and a shame that parents still have to buy supplies for the whole classroom anyway. This just doesn't make any sense to me at all! Something is really wrong and not right with this program, and it needs to be checked out.

Does anyone else wonder, besides me, whose pockets this $14 million is going into?

JOANNA MILES

East Ridge


Story selections show partiality

In the Sept. 4 issue, page A5, the Times Free Press published three articles from outside sources in the politics section. I was disappointed to see that all three had to do with President Obama and the Democratic National Convention. I understand that this was and still is an extremely newsworthy topic, but in order to remain impartial, shouldn't one article be about Gov. Mitt Romney? Even if it were only a brief to say what his response was to the DNC?

Please keep in mind Chattanooga's population and the diversity found there.

AVERY McKINNEY

Collegedale


Job applicants need experience

Re: "Help wanted; skills lacking" (Sept. 6): In the article about those lacking the skills because they did not have a degree, I beg to differ. Although education is the key to better jobs, what about experience? I graduated from college in 2011 and have a certification and have yet to find the job that I was in college for, due to the lack of experience.

The jobs that I have applied for will not even look at me or even give me a call back to set up interviews, because I have no experience, although I have a working knowledge in my career field. How can I get the experience if no one will hire me? We all have had that lack of experience at one point in time.

Employers, please keep in mind that although we lack experience at least give us a chance to show what we can do. Who knows, we may be the best employee you have.

So to say a college degree is the best way to get a good job (which doesn't hurt to have), I still beg to differ. It's the lack of experience.

VICKI CLINE

LaFayette, Ga.


Clinton talk made sense

President Clinton's speech was right on Wednesday night (Sept. 5). He spoke the truth about President Obama getting a mess when he was elected.

Mrs. Obama is a well-spoken speaker who, in her own right, could be a president one day. Both she and Mr. Obama know what it's like to be poor like most of us.

I admire them for trying to do what they can for everyone. They weren't born with a silver spoon in their mouths like the Romneys, who can't seem to understand how the poor have to live to make ends meet. After hearing Clinton, now I understand things better.

SHIRLEY NEWHARD

Harrison


Prayer rhetoric distorting law

Incredible! A judge and a lawyer do not understand the meaning of "constitutional."

Judge Sandy Mattice, in discussing the County Commission opening meetings with a prayer, said: "At this stage of litigation, at least, the court is not ready to accept that ... a legislation body may uniformly open meeting after meeting with explicit Christian prayers without facing some constitutional scrutiny."

What is the basis for constitutional scrutiny? The First Amendment says, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." Congress has made no law, the state has made no law, why invoke the Constitution?

Andrew Seidel of the Freedom From Religion Foundation said "it has proof that pastors are preaching to the (Ridgeland High School football) team before games ... a clear violation of the First Amendment."

How can such assertions be made in a court of law and not be challenged? Where are the journalists? Has the anti-religion rhetoric become so accepted that the law has become distorted?

DAN SCANNELL

Soddy-Daisy


King memorial isn't fitting

Concerning the editorial "It's time to get it right," (Sept. 5) I totally agree. MLK Jr. did not want a memorial built to him, but wished instead if a memorial was to be built that it be built to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, which is exactly what the drum major sermon was all about. He recognized the value of being recognized and being in the limelight in order to further one's cause. He also recognized the danger of going too far with it, thereby setting one's cause back.

Not only is the inscription reflective of the black community's falling away from King's leadership, it makes his message and ultimate sacrifice on behalf of people of all colors very close to being null and void. The flowering idol of him adds insult to injury as it casts him as a god and not to be messed with, looking down on the people he loved and died for.

The memorial should be remodeled or torn down in accordance with the wishes of my beloved MLK Jr.

BILL S. BALILES

Copperhill, Tenn.


Parking numbers aren't legible

I would like the city to address a concern about parking at Coolidge Park. As most are aware, you have to pay for parking, and to do so you have to enter the number of the parking slot you are parked in. The slot numbers are so faded they are almost non-readable.

I suggest that the city or whoever is responsible to repaint the parking slot numbers. I could hardly discern the number of the slot I parked in weekend before last.

MARY COLEMAN

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Easy123 said...

MR. BRIAN HALE,

AMENDMENT XIV

Passed by Congress June 13, 1866. Ratified July 9, 1868.

Note: Article I, section 2, of the Constitution was modified by section 2 of the 14th amendment.

Section 1.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

September 11, 2012 at 3:01 a.m.
ToHoldNothing said...

Dan Scannel, The first amendment, like many other amendments, should not be strictly taken at face value as to what they intend or entail for legal precedent. The Supreme Court has interpreted it in such a way that it covers more ground than merely Congress or legislation without infringing upon the free exercise of religion. The notion of respecting any establishment of religion in any way, shape or form, is clearly troubling by the text of the first amendment, so the court saw fit to note that favoring of any religion by a federal or state entity, the county commission falling under that by taxpayer support, is both unconstitutional and unnecessary to the proper functions of those entities in question. Your rights are protected, you misunderstand the extent and nature of those rights. Religious exercise allows you to proselytize as a private citizen, it does not allow public officials to do the same as representatives of a county, state, or country with religious diversity such as we have or are likely to have. The same applies to giving any special treatment to religion. You can say Xianity is greater than others, but the government has no reason, nor should it really throw its opinion into the discussion at all, since opinions about religion are fundamentally irrelevant to the workings of politics and policy-making.

Just wrote my own letter in response almost.

September 11, 2012 at 5:49 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Rave on anyone, and, everyone, Yet, the individuals who govern our great nation have spoken through their behavior. In Washington, D.C. the Representatives of all of us who may comment here demonstrate the purest form of Constitutional purism. To wit, the official meetings of the Congress of The United States of America are 'introduced' (opened) by Prayer! Yes, I believe their voices are much more cogent, much louder, more informed, than any of ours. "...But shun profane and vain babblings..." Holy Bible

Jesus Christ of Nazareth has declared,

2 Timothy 2:13

"f we believe not, yet He abideth faithful: He cannot deny himself."

...See more context following:

11 "It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with Him, we shall also live with Him:

12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with Him: if we deny Him, He also will deny us:

13 If we believe not, yet He abideth faithful: He cannot deny himself."

14 Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.

15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

September 11, 2012 at 9:38 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

'Gays' struggle not based in civil rights'

Bestiality, Pedophilia, Snuff Behavior, Child Slave Trade, Necromancy, etc., etc, etc. Hey! Let's play 'make an amendment' to, by law, proclaim these behaviors are our 'Civil Rights!'! This United States of America became the greatest nation on earth by virtue of our foundation of law being based on the Ten Commandments of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. These Ten Commandments encompass, and, include (intrinsically)the fact that Our Great Father of Spirits labels homosexual individuals 'Dogs'. Please note I am only providing academic facts. He also declares that homosexual individual's chosen lifestyles are an 'Abomination', and, their sexual behavior (females also) is against nature. (Aberrant /Not Normal). Should any logically thinking individual want to go against the very foundations of America's Judicial System?

September 11, 2012 at 10 a.m.
dao1980 said...

Hide yer kids! Hide yer dogs!!

I knew orr would be all over this one, he loves him some homersexural conversations.

Watch out though, he's liable to get graphic about what he likes to picture with his imagination in great detail about strangers... and their pets...

September 11, 2012 at 10:09 a.m.
Ozzy87 said...

Orr, how about obeying two of the big 10 and not lying and bearing false witness against neighbors?

September 11, 2012 at 10:14 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Orr,

Everything you just said was fallacious, false, or a lie.

September 11, 2012 at 10:24 a.m.

DR. BRIAN HALE, please go back to school, and learn that your rights are not what are defined by a piece of paper, those are expressions about what already exist. You attempt to adopt a legalist attitude, besides being factually wrong, is also morally repugnant.

DAN SCANNELL, your attempt to be a pedant taking the Constitution at only a literal meaning is the kind of sophistic argument that is actually used to foster more abuses by covering it up with technicalities.

I know you don't expect us to recognize what you're doing, but it is blatantly obvious.

Besides, didn't you read the state's Constitution?

ยง 3. Freedom of worship

That all men have a natural and indefeasible right to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their own conscience; that no man can of right be compelled to attend, erect, or support any place of worship, or to maintain any minister against his consent; that no human authority can, in any case whatever, control or interfere with the rights of conscience; and that no preference shall ever be given, by law, to any religious establishment or mode of worship.

By giving preference to individual ministers, the county commission, which is chartered by the state is acting to support them.

That is very perilous.

Besides we all know if some Muslim iman were to hold a prayer, you'd be reversing your position in a heartbeat.

BILL S. BALILES, Jesus wouldn't want that memorial either.

September 11, 2012 at 10:36 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Ken Orr, lying for Jesus is still lying.

September 11, 2012 at 11:36 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Jesus loves homophobes and liars for His namesake. Just ask Jerry Falwell.

Poor Mr. Orr. That's what happens when the Holy Spook forgets to give him his tranquilizers.

Should any thinking person believe in such a cruel, jealous, paranoid God? Why worship such an abomination as Jehovah? Would you want your father to act like that? Would you call your own father worthy of love and respect for his murderous rampages? Would you want a father who condone and encouraged rape, slavery, torture, incest, killing innocent men, women, and children?

That's the god Mr. Orr worships; not out of love but fear. Some god you've got there Orr. You cower before this man-made monster in ignorance and depravity.

September 11, 2012 at 11:57 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

dao1980, I am glad that You didn't punish me with silence! Would You be my astrophysics Professor again and address, further expound upon, what You began on one of the subjects from the link provided? And, please, my exercising my 1st Amendment Rights (homosexual issue) is minimal in comparison to so many on here 'blasting' the foundation of my existance, which is expressly...belief in Jesus Christ of Nazareth. You decide, which is greater? Condemning a behavior, or, condemning ones faith of one's existence? kwo

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2012/sep/10/chattanooga-warning-from-the-arctic/?opiniontimes

September 11, 2012 at 12:28 p.m.
ebenji87 said...

I guess Mr. Hale thought adding the "Dr." to his name gave credibility to his homophobic and inaccurate statement. Well... It didn't, sorry. No matter how much you kick and scream like a child not getting his way, GAY MARRIAGE WILL EVENTUALLY BE LEGALIZED. And the world will continue to turn, life will go on just as it always has.

And wow, what are the odds of the psychotic Mr. Orr-ifice making an appearance on a letter section concerning gays? I think the only other person more obsessed with what gay people are doing in the privacy of their own lives and homes is Fred Phelps. And sir, you are not too far away from his lunacy.

September 11, 2012 at 12:31 p.m.
Easy123 said...

"You decide, which is greater? Condemning a behavior, or, condemning ones faith of one's existence?"

Condemning a behavior.

People are real. Your god is not.

"Jesus Christ of Nazareth"

Your mythical Jesus was from Bethlehem. Might want to touch up on your Bible trivia.

September 11, 2012 at 12:36 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

I prefer Billy Ray Jesus from East Ridge. But the only miracle he performed was changing a dollar for ten dimes.

September 11, 2012 at 12:46 p.m.
Easy123 said...

daytonsdarwin,

Is this the same Billy Ray Jesus that miraculously made a whole case of Budweiser disappear before the NASCAR race at Bristol?

I think I might know him! LOL!

September 11, 2012 at 12:55 p.m.

I'm pretty sure that one's faith and existence does lead to behavior.

It is funny that ORRMEANSLIGHT hides from criticism by protesting his rights under the First Amendment. Do we not have the same rights to speak against him?

It's an amusing attempt at sophistry, transparent in its fallacious nature, that it actually serves to discredit you ORRMEANSLIGHT.

You know why? Because we recognize your attempt to deflect away from the wretched nature of your own comments while clinging to a false piety of free speech.

You're just exploiting that principle for your own agenda. Or will you defend the rights of others to free speech?

September 11, 2012 at 1:24 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Easy123 said..."Is this the same Billy Ray Jesus that miraculously made a whole case of Budweiser disappear before the NASCAR race at Bristol? I think I might know him! LOL!"

I heard that. Blessed be His Holy Belch!

Billy Ray Jesus can also turn beer into urine! His miracles never cease! Of course that other Jesus turned water into Thunderbird. Showoff!

September 11, 2012 at 1:39 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

daytonsdarwin, I prognosticate that if You go professional with Your talent for phenomenal +(:> humor...well, I predict You would become wealthy. Whether You write books of comedy, enter the stand-up comedy scene, write scripts for movies, or, write for the late-night celebrities, etc.......You will become wealthy. But, please, for me, don't joke about Christianity. You will make it without that venue.

Easy123, I still think You are really, core-level, a good person. Here is where I get 'Jesus Christ of Nazareth':

Matthew 2:23... "And He came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene."

Mark 10:47... And when he heard that it was Jesus of Nazareth, he began to cry out, and say, Jesus, Thou son of David, have mercy on me."

Mark 16:6... "And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: He is risen; He is not here: behold the place where they laid Him."

Saint John 18:-"Jesus therefore, knowing all things that should come upon Him, went forth, and said unto them, Whom seek ye? They answered Him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I AM HE. And Judas also, which betrayed Him, stood with them. As soon then as He had said unto them, I Am He, they went backward, and fell to the ground."

Easy123..."I have nothing against You!" Ken

September 11, 2012 at 5:45 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Orr,

And where was your mythical Jesus born?

September 11, 2012 at 6:49 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Jesus was born in Ephrata. Some scholars believe He was actually born in Nazareth, but, i'm not a scholar, and, I don't believe He was born in Nazareth. He does, though, hold the title 'Jesus Christ of Nazareth'. I believe this would fit the term 'Aphorism'. i am not sure of the word for the descriptive use of 'Jesus Christ of Nazareth'. Maybe You could help me there? kwo

September 11, 2012 at 7:14 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

happywithnewbulbs, Please tell me how the wretched nature of your own comments, or, any here who disparage my Christian Faith, are better than my comments which disparage 'their' lifestyles/behaviors.

September 11, 2012 at 9:11 p.m.

Simple, your own individual conduct is what we are observing and criticizing while you are blindly condemning people for fallacious reasons while simultaneously claiming to be more virtuous in a deceptive attempt to justify your repugnant conduct.

Notice the difference?

I doubt it. But if you want, take your posts and show them to somebody else to ask them.

September 12, 2012 at 12:05 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Now, You are claiming that other's repugnant conduct in condemning my Faith in Jesus Christ... is not actually repugnant, because, they aren't condemning an actual empirical behavior in which I engage? No, no, no, what 'You're' saying is 'fallacious'. I try to make certain all of my behavior is in support of my Faith in Jesus Christ. The so-called atheists and homosexuals.......

(often only Pleasure-Sexuals) (The "I was born that way" folks who need an excuse for promiscuity) who mock my Faith in Jesus Christ are, indeed, providing the wretched posts. kwo I know this was difficult reading due to poor sentence structure Please forgive me this time.

September 12, 2012 at 6:53 p.m.

Actually, you try to CLAIM all of your behavior is supported by Jesus Christ.

That's the problem.

Your behavior is rather easily observed here, and people who are judging YOU on that are looking at your conduct. You, OTOH, are making wild claims about others with no actual basis in reality that you defend by claiming the support of your deity.

That you are a poor writer who can't seem to express himself clearly is a separate issue from the character of your posts. Though it does show a high degree of disregard for others, as you can't even bother to present yourself clearly.

Try thinking about yourself and how your conduct reflects on the one you purport to be supporting.

Or would that require you to admit your own failings? That's something a lot of self-professed Christians find themselves unable to do.

September 12, 2012 at 8:42 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

happywithnewbulbs, I certainly will work on expressing myself more clearly. I cannot dispute what You are telling me about that. I find within my mind and spirit that i am acquiescing in increasing degrees to some of the feedback You are providing. This, being in many subjects. I am the winner there because I want to be a blessing to others. So, Thank You! And, hopefully, You won't give up on me...like dao1980...+(:> kwo

September 12, 2012 at 11:49 p.m.

I'll believe it when I see it.

September 13, 2012 at 6:48 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Start looking +(:>!..You tell me how does a Christian present Scripture without being hurtful to some? I do not ever want to cause pain to any person. I truly love what the T.F.Press has done for us in providing this venue. So, when others ask me questions here, I answer them. Or, i just build cases against certain articles/comments. Please, You tell me how to present Biblical knowledge without causing some emotional/mental pain. kwo

September 14, 2012 at 6:36 p.m.
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