published Thursday, September 13th, 2012

5-at-10: Fab 4 picks, UT-Florida tale of the tape and contest, Notre Dame on the move

  • photo
    Notre Dame president Rev. John I. Jenkins, right, is congratulated by Atlantic Coast Conference commissioner John Swofford during a news conference at the University of North Carolina in Chapel Hill, N.C., Wednesday, Sept. 12, 2012. Notre Dame will play five football games annually against ACC schools, but will be a full member in all other sports. (AP Photo/Gerry Broome)
    Photo by Associated Press /Chattanooga Times Free Press.

Remember Friday's mailbag, we have a spot open.

From the "Talks too much" studios, here we go...

Fab 4 picks (plus 1)

Looking at the point spreads this week, we started thinking about some of the great upsets of all-time. Louisiana-Monroe was catching 31 from Arkansas — and a sizable six-figure check mind you — and beat the Razorbacks out right last week.

The biggest upset in college football in accordance to the betting lines was Stanford beating then-No. 1 USC 24-23 in 2007. The Cardinal were a 41-point underdog and delivered the first lesson that Jim Harbaugh can really coach some football. The greatest gambling upset ever is Buster Douglas knocking out Mike Tyson as a 50-to-1 longshot in most books and was closer to 100-to-1 from local bookies — not that we'd know anything about that back then.

We also wondered what would be the lines from some of the greatest sports movies of all-time. (Side note: Since 90-percent of sports movies deal in upsets, the prudent sports-movie bettor would almost always take the points.) See if these fit:

Hickory plus-28 against the Mighty Bears of South Bend Central: Sure the Chitwood kid can score, but the Bears' best player — Boyle averages about 20 points — is a stud and the size advantage is large.

Rocky Balboa 50-to-1 against Apollo Creed and 28-to-1 in the rematch: The fight that was the central part of the original Rocky was akin to Douglas-Tyson. The rematch in Rocky II would have started as a pretty good-size line that dropped as the sentimental money came in on Rocky.

Rocky a 7-to-1 pick over Clubber Lang and Lang an 8-to-1 pick in the rematch: Granted, when Mickey went down right before the first Balboa-Lang fight, some books would have moved it off the board. And Lang's first win was so overwhelming — and without Mickey around — Balboa would have been a pretty large underdog. Although, he proved to be pretty comfortable in that role.

Chico's Bail Bonds Bears vs. Denny's Yankees: The Bears likely were a 10-to-1 pick, and that may be low. Sure Kelly Leak was swinging a mean stick and Amanda Whurlitzer was throwing strikes, but the Yankees were obviously the cream of the league. That said, there would have been FBI investigations into point-shaving on each team after Yankees pitcher Joey Turner held the ball and intentionally let Mike Engelberg get an inside-the-park homer and Bears manager Morris Buttermaker replaced Amanda with Oglivie in the final inning.

Dalton vs. Jimmy (in the deathmatch down by the stream in "Roadhouse"): Dalton was a 3-to-2 pick since he had already killed a guy with his throat-removal move. That said, Jimmy had relations with tough guys in prison — not that there's anything wrong with that.

Where were we... Oh year, the Fab 4 (plus 1) picks. Giddy-up

South Florida minus-7 against Rutgers: This game is tonight and buy the half. We think Bulls quarterback B.J. Daniels is going to have a big year.

THE over 52 in THE Ohio State-Cal game: We like THE Buckeyes in this one, too, but we believe the over to be the safer play. Consider that Cal is averaging 37 points per game and allowed Southern Utah to score 31 last week. Side note: Southern Utah's nickname is Thunderbirds. We approve of that message.

BYU minus-3 at Utah: Utah lost at Utah State and veteran Utes quarterback Jordan Wynn retired after the game. Seriously, he retired. Called it a career and hung 'em up. We'd buy the half to be sure. Side question, if you buy the half in a BYU game would you byu the half? Discuss.

Louisville minu-3 against UNC: Call this a grunge pick. UNC stiffed us last week. This should make us even.

Tennessee minus-3 against Florida: Stop us if you've heard this, but buy the half. And the closer we get to kickoff, the more nervous this game becomes (and the more we start to eye that over the 47). It also does not calm our nerves that Dr. B likes the Vols to cover in this one, too. So it goes.


  • photo
    Florida running back Jeff Demps (28) is pushed out of bounds on the 1-yard line by Tennessee defensive back Prentiss Waggner (23) after a 28-yard pass play during the first half of an NCAA college football game Saturday, Sept. 17, 2011, in Gainesville, Fla.
    Photo by Associated Press /Chattanooga Times Free Press.


We have been on the Vols' monster matchup with the Gators all week, and we are going to finish the drill.

Here's a tale of the tape between the two programs:


UT: Smokey

Florida: Albert and Alberta Gator

Edge: UT, by a lot. First off, Albert Gator is fat, so technically he is Fat Albert Gator, Hey, Hey, Hey. Second, if you have a female mascot, you lose points. This is football, not political correctness class.

Best player

UT: Peyton Manning

Florida: Tim Tebow

Edge: Florida, by a lot. Tebow won a Heisman, and was part of two national title teams. Manning never beat Florida and the Vols won it all the year after he left. That said, take heart UT fans, in the knowledge that your best player went on to be one of the five best NFL quarterbacks ever and the Gators' best player went on to be a back-up in New York who turns heads for running shirtless.

Best player (non-quarterback division)

UT: Reggie White

Florida: Emmitt Smith

Edge: Push. Talk about two stud ducks. Wow. These teams have produced some legit talent.

Coaches' sideline traits

UT: Sure, Derek Dooley has perfect hair, but his fashion sense ranges from traditionally hip (love the orange pants) to sloppy (for all intents and purposes he wore a mu-mu in the season opener).

Florida: Will Muschamp earned the nickname "Coach Boom" for his animated reactions on the sideline. It was "Coach Boom" because most of the other stuff coming out of his mouth was unfit for a family-oriented, interweb-based sports column. Hey, coach, let's keep it clean, huh?

Edge: UT. Orange pants trump blue language every time. Hey, it's about the kids.

Saturday's difference maker — Tyler Bray

UT: Feeling pretty good that their fate rests in the hands of a quarterback that will be a future NFL first-round pick.

Florida: Feeling pretty good that UT has put all their eggs in the hands of a quarterback with a wicked back tat and spent the summer getting cited by authorities on jet skis and throwing beer bottles at cars.

Edge: Push


Notre Dame makes a move — mostly

Notre Dame has long been the highest-profile carrot dangling in the conference realignment puzzle.

Wednesday, the Irish announced they are joining the ACC in all sports other than football and ice hockey. (We know you're busted up about the hockey part, Spy, but suck it up.)

Here's what you need to know about the move:

The Irish win with this move. They get to keep their NBC football money. They get to move from the BCS league on life support to one that has a pulse. They still get to schedule nationally in football. They also still have future options since joining a conference in every sport but football is like living with someone for five years and still not getting engaged. Sure, you're in the relationship, but how committed are you really?

The ACC kind of wins with this move. They get to say they are back since they landed the biggest fish on the free agent market, even if they did not get the ring of football. With the $50 million buyout. the ACC also is in place to be where the Irish land when they are forced to pick a conference or get off the pot down the road. (And that will happen when the playoffs expand to eight teams and beyond.) Plus, by the gazelle rules of life, the ACC does not need to be the fastest conference, they just can't be the slowest and get eaten.

The Big East is the loser here. And that surprises no one. And by all rules, including those of the gazelles, the Big East is a dead conference walking.


This and that

— U.S. News and World Report came out with its annual ranking of best colleges. Harvard and Princeton tied for first, with Yale coming in third. (Can you imagine the nerdy taunts that are being bandied about today... "That's alright, that's OK, you'll be working for us some day," comes to mind.) The highest ranked non-Ivy League school was the University of Chicago, which tied for fourth with Columbia. The BCS-conference schools made the top 10 were Stanford, Duke and Auburn. (OK — we may have made the last one up.)

— Does anyone want to win the NL wildcard? For the third day in a row the top four teams in the wildcard standings lost. As StuckinKent pointed out yesterday, the standings are a mess. And sweet buckets of wrestling nostalgia, is that the Philadelphia Phillies' intro music? The Phillies, who before the trading deadline jettisoned a slew of folks in an effort to rebuild, have won seven straight and are three back of the Cardinals for the final wildcard spot. All totaled, the Braves lead the wildcard race and are 5.5 games clear of the next closest team. The Cardinals are one up of the Dodgers, who are one of five teams within four games of St. Louis.

— That's a legit NFL matchup tonight. Bears-Packers, with the Packers needing a win badly. We'll be tuning in for sure.

— We're scheduled to be on Chris Goforth's show today around 2 p.m. on 1370 AM. Swing by if you get a minute.


Today's question

Today's question is easy — who do you like in the UT-Florida game?

Plus, remember the UT-Florida contest. Send us your projected score and you could win stuff. We'll update the entries around lunch.

Bring it and let's go.

If you need another topic, what do you make of the madness of college hoops in the last four days: UNC in the NCAA spotlight, Duke in the NCAA spotlight and Jim Calhoun retiring (escaping) before the NCAA hammer landed at UConn (again).


about Jay Greeson...

Jay was named the Sports Editor of the Times Free Press in 2003 and started with the newspaper in May 2002 as the Deputy Sports Editor. He was born and raised in Smyrna, Ga., and graduated from Auburn University before starting his newspaper career in 1997 with the Newnan (Ga.) Times Herald. Stops in Clayton and Henry counties in Georgia and two years as the Sports Editor of the Marietta (Ga.) Daily Journal preceded Jay’s ...

Comments do not represent the opinions of the Chattanooga Times Free Press, nor does it review every comment. Profanities, slurs and libelous remarks are prohibited. For more information you can view our Terms & Conditions and/or Ethics policy.
BIspy4 said...

I don't think Logan Thomas is a first-round pick. He makes Tebow look accurate. He's big and strong but was under 50 percent passing against Georgia Tech in the opener. He's just not accurate enough to be a first-rounder.

I knew a couple of kids who went to the University of Chicago. They were really, really smart. (The joke they tell on that campus is how do you break a University of Chicago student's nose? Close his book.) It's also the site of the first chain reaction, in 1942, under a squash court. But I digress, because I should have taken Princeton up on their offer. (Let' see ... memories of national championships, drunken abandon and more national championships and drunken abandon vs. probably being a U.S. senator right now ... yeah, I'll take the road I took all over again.)

Besides, Notre Dame wants no part of ACC ice hockey.

September 13, 2012 at 11:38 a.m.
JonathanMCook said...

I know Tennessee-Florida is the perverbal game of the week but in my honest opinion I believe we are going into breakdown overkill or as I like to call it "Let's just play the damn game".

And for those of you wondering, yes, I would say the exact same thing if UTC-Appy State was this over-analyzed.

Speaking of Yosief and the Boone 65, Frierson's Twitter page had a pretty cool link on ASU's webpage showing the 50th anniversary of Kidd Brewer Stadium which led to another link showing where ASU plans on doing a modern take on some throwback jerseys. They look pretty cool but the helmet images (from the 1970s) are laughable at best. The sad part is they plan on wearing the uniforms during their game against Coastal Carolina as suppose to playing us or GSU.

Sidenote commentary: I'm 50/50 when it comes to the throwback jerseys on the grounds I think some are really cool looking while others either make me sick to my stomach from staring at them or makes me think there is something wrong with the color on my TV set (true story-see Philidelphia Eagles canary yellow jerseys). That said, my personal favorite for inspiration is the Mocs jerseys and helmets from the late 60s. I got to see the original ones briefly in a rare 8mm film played on public access 46 showing UT's highlight reel for the 1968 season and UTC (then listed as Chattanooga) was on the schedule. They even made mention of Richard Flowers (whose grandson RF da third would dawn pads for the blue and gold for one year).

Guessing from the reference to Bears-Packers that a certain someone won't be hanging out with Frierson in the media booth this evening huh? I'm still going to watch the game via streaming video and I'm proud to say I'm in the office wearing my Power C golf shirt.

Nice nod to the Swayze's one real "guy" movie that media people love to "hate" on just for the sake of hat'n. I'm surprised "Real Steel" wasn't included in the mix but that movie is still fairly new and can be cheesier than any Rocky film (II and up) on file.

Before I forget, did the new paperwork arrive yet Jay? I figured you would love the one about the in-depth story on A&M's coach and the "SEC 101" printout for A&M fans living in Dallas (Don't worry folks, the DMN didn't write anything negative like all SEC fans are related to Honey Boo-Boos family and other silly stuff). Also, there is an actual Texas State University (except they are not the armadillios and Scott Bakula is not their quarterback).

September 13, 2012 at 11:41 a.m.
chas9 said...

I can sum up the news about roundball at UConn, UNC and Duke in one word: schadenfreude. You Auburn alums can ask fechancellor what that means. Wait. Ask Spy. Princeton made him some kind of offer.

September 13, 2012 at 11:44 a.m.
patrickd said...

In case you missed my entry from yesterday, as I made it pretty late.

Fighting Orange Slacks - 27 Booms - 24

September 13, 2012 at 11:54 a.m.
jgreeson said...

Spy —

If you had gone to Princeton you'd be able to see Logan Thomas' talent. Alas. Besides, if you had become a senator, you'd made a mistake at one of Fredo's clubs and got yourself behind the 8-ball.

Run JMC —

Can't do too much on this game. It's un-possible.

We may swing by the home opener tonight — depends on how much we get finished at our day-and-night job.

Paper work has arrived — many thanks. And if there's no Rob Schnieder doing play-by-play for Texas State, then we got no time for them.

And all throwback jerseys need to get in line behind the 1960s Chargers. Those are money.

9er —

Schaden what? Are you talking about a photo of Marvin "Shade Tree" Jones and his German wife? No that would be Shade-n-fraulein, huh?

So it goes.

P-Davi —

We got it. We got it.

Are you going to enter the contest?

— 5-at-10

September 13, 2012 at 12:56 p.m.
Stewwie said...

I'll take the Vols 24-23.

Good to see that Peyton is in your top 5 QBs of all time. I'm still not sold on Brady being there as well though.

Frierson said he expects both Jacob and Terrell to each rush for "100 years" tonight. Rushing for 100 yards is pretty good for a QB, but rushing for 100 years? Now that's taking it to another level.

Really surprised at what the front page article is today. Must be a slow news day or that would have been on the bottom of D1 instead of at the top of A1. The idea of selling beer/alcohol in the concessions during UTC football games is not new. Long story short, I appreciate the way it is now and the family-friendly atmosphere during Mocs games.

September 13, 2012 at 1:24 p.m.
mcpell3 said...

Chas - isn't that a fancy interior package on a passat? As an AU alum, I'm spending most of my brain cell on figuring how we are going to stop the ULM juggernaut. Wow, thought I'd never type that in a million years. Is the Moc game going to be televised or online? I have to mow the yard so I can find mcpell jr, he's been missing a couple of days now.

September 13, 2012 at 1:33 p.m.
ordinaryguy said...

Johnathan there is a good reason that the schedule show the then Mocassins as Chattanooga...In 1968 it was still the University of was not part of the "system"...

September 13, 2012 at 1:54 p.m.
Livn4life said...

NO-tre Dame, that is all I can say about the Irish and my people actually came to the US from Ireland. They are not all in the conference, to pretend the gotta play 5 ACC teams per year means something is disgraceful.

I like your tale of the tape on the Vols and Gators. I have waffled some on this year's game even though I fit the JohnnyVolsFan mode but...feel the Vols will finally break out and do what they have wanted and needed to do for some time now. While it is not a make-break this year for the Orange and White Ones, it is very important and is bidness needing to be taken care of. And of course Dr. B is a Dr. you know! I'm looking forward to this weekend in college football.

September 13, 2012 at 2:16 p.m.
Todd962 said...

I do not see a problem with serving alcohol at the Mocs games. In fact, I would strongly encourage it. Its not like people arent already getting pie faced in the pavilion prior to and stumbling across the walkway to watch the game. If we are that concerned about up holding the family atmosphere, just implement some Roadhouse rules. Put a few Dalton's and Wade's in every few sections for the sole purpose of roadhouse kicking the bejeezus out of the drunk people when they get out of line. Now you get to enjoy the football, enjoy the booze revenues, and also watch the sweet 80's music themed roadhouse kick montage's at half on the big screen. Its a win, win , win.

And why do the fancy pants up in the boxes get booze and all the a/c? Its one or the other. Give us peons out in the heat something. I vote for beer. Hooray Beer!!

September 13, 2012 at 2:28 p.m.
JonathanMCook said...

Stewwie wrote-

"Frierson said he expects both Jacob and Terrell to each rush for "100 years" tonight. Rushing for 100 yards is pretty good for a QB, but rushing for 100 years? Now that's taking it to another level"

They can after a good shot of 2.5 giggawats of electricity and portable flex compassator. :P

BTW, it is a slow news day.

mcpell3 wrote wrote-

"Is the Moc game going to be televised or online? I have to mow the yard so I can find mcpell jr, he's been missing a couple of days now."

All UTC home games are shown online via streaming video at You can pay by the game or by the month. The video quality and audio are not as good as ESPN3 but when you're 800+ miles from Finley, technology can be a wonderful thing. The cool perk is you get to hear JR's off-air comments throughout the game (Like the time he gave Todd Agney's private e-mail address because he thought no one was listening). I'm sure some people who know what I am referring to hav better stories than that.

Hope this helps


Yes, I already knew that. It was for the readers new to the area who may not have known that. ;)

September 13, 2012 at 2:34 p.m.
jgreeson said...

Brunswick Stew —

That's how good the offense is going to be. Rushing for a 100 years is more figurative than literal of course, but you get the idea.

As for the beer, well, most of the Mocs games we've been to we were working so it didn't matter one way or the other. That said, they sling Bud Lights at AT&T and we would describe that as a family event.

McPell —

What are we going to do with the next three months? Is it March Madness yet? Oh wait, we're Auburn, that doesn't do us any good either. Alas. When's signing day?

And good luck finding Junior. Did you look under the couch?

OG —

Thanks, and open your history books to chapter 12.

Livn(Large) —

Vols need to (and we believe will) handle their BID-ness.

We're looking forward to the weekend of college football too. (Provided Auburn can pull off the upset of La-Monroe).

962 —

Even if they decide not to sling suds at Finley, can we still have one game a year where they have montages of roadhouse kicks. Maybe even have Jean Claude Van Damme do the coin flip with a roundhouse kick.

Hey, let's have roundhouse kick night at the Roundhouse? It's not like Van Damme's calendar is overflowing right now anyway.

Side note: Regardless of the point of discussion or view, we feel ending your post with Hooray Beer!! is spot on and worthy of cold one. Stay thirsty my friends.

— 5-at-10

September 13, 2012 at 2:41 p.m.
patrickd said...

Yes, Jay, that's for the contest.

September 13, 2012 at 5:49 p.m.
please login to post a comment

Other National Articles

videos »         

photos »         

e-edition »


Find a Business

400 East 11th St., Chattanooga, TN 37403
General Information (423) 756-6900
Copyright, Permissions, Terms & Conditions, Privacy Policy, Ethics policy - Copyright ©2014, Chattanooga Publishing Company, Inc. All rights reserved.
This document may not be reprinted without the express written permission of Chattanooga Publishing Company, Inc.