published Thursday, September 13th, 2012

Bennett Archive: The Pledge

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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John_Proctor said...

You hit the nail on the head, Clay.

September 13, 2012 at 12:14 a.m.
fairmon said...

This 'toon actual appears to be neutral. How can that spawn a lot of comments?

September 13, 2012 at 12:40 a.m.
ricardo said...

harp, I'm sure that this is somehow Obama's fault. Fire away wingnuts.

September 13, 2012 at 3:51 a.m.
AndrewLohr said...

"Money and politics": buying votes with tax dollars and with regulations?

"Campaign donors": George Soros?

"Lobbyists": Al Gore?

45-second video satirizing President Obama's case for re-election http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjjAeZ...

Only slightly slanted cartoon in the abstract, but will Mr Bennett really do particular cartoons about liberals who are guilty in what the cartoon complains of?

September 13, 2012 at 5:55 a.m.
patriot1 said...

Is this the classroom that exists in the mind of a liberal? Since the leftist party (democrats)have the history of segregation, does this explain why apparently the minority kid has a seat in the back of the class?

September 13, 2012 at 6:07 a.m.
EaTn said...

Cash is king. Money controls every part of our government from local county and cities, state and most of all in Washington. The sad thing is most voters expect that it is normal for the ones who raise the most cash to be elected. But even Romney will find that it's going to take a lot more cash to overcome his sinking in the polls by his flip-flopping and putting his foot in his mouth every few days.

September 13, 2012 at 6:15 a.m.
degage said...

EaTn , In 2008 it was the one that raised the most money that won,just because Obama isn't doing so well this time you are all up in arms. Some of his base except hollywood are taking a different look at him. Obama is loving this middle -East problem cause it gets the subject of the economy and jobs on the back burner. He is sending Marines but do they have the orders to use deadly force if needed to protect our embassys? He wants Israel to wait until after the election, Why? Drag his feet-n-chief Obama is a joke in many countries, especially the ones we send our money to.

September 13, 2012 at 6:54 a.m.
EaTn said...

degage....here's an appropriate ditty from Obama to Romney:

Mitt, be like me, not like Bush; Get the facts, before you push.

September 13, 2012 at 7:15 a.m.
dude_abides said...

degage... actually Obama is the return reality after the joke of the century George Bush. You should have been worrying about how the world feels towards us during the previous 8 year administration, when everybody in the world shook their heads at our ignorance.

September 13, 2012 at 7:18 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

HHS Secretary Sebelius broke federal law (Hatch Act) by campaigning for The Exalted One. Posted as a public service as you won't see it covered by the MSM. You're welcome.

September 13, 2012 at 8:11 a.m.
alprova said...

patriot1 wrote: "Is this the classroom that exists in the mind of a liberal? Since the leftist party (democrats)have the history of segregation, does this explain why apparently the minority kid has a seat in the back of the class?"

How many black people have you ever entertained as guests in your home?

September 13, 2012 at 8:16 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

ALPO: In a long list of stupid retorts, ^^^ is the dumbest. Sounds like YOU"RE the one living in the 50's.

September 13, 2012 at 8:20 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Bennett has gotten one right for a change. The two party system has prostituted itself to the interests of big banks and big industry. The government is more interested in packaging us to serve the system then it is in our quality of life and freedom.

This is a problem with both parties. It is too bad that we have spent so much time and energy cheerleading for one side of the other while they both take us down the same path.

September 13, 2012 at 8:24 a.m.
WHS1970 said...

Good morning mam and isn't it a wonderful day?

September 13, 2012 at 8:28 a.m.
alprova said...

degage wrote: "EaTn , In 2008 it was the one that raised the most money that won,just because Obama isn't doing so well this time you are all up in arms."

The President is doing just fine, thank you very much. He raised more than Mitt last month.

"Some of his base except hollywood are taking a different look at him."

Mitt has the same problem within his own party, or were you not aware of that fact.

"Obama is loving this middle -East problem cause it gets the subject of the economy and jobs on the back burner."

It never ceases to amaze me that people have all this wonderful insight into what someone is thinking, from hundreds or thousands of miles away. I guess that ESP is alive and well.

"He is sending Marines but do they have the orders to use deadly force if needed to protect our embassys?"

That Sir is a rather stupid question. That is a standing order for every member of the military who is issued a weapon and who stands a post.

"He wants Israel to wait until after the election, Why?"

I would presume that the President wants Israel to wait far longer than that. This nation cannot afford another war, no matter what the reason for entering into it.

"Drag his feet-n-chief Obama is a joke in many countries, especially the ones we send our money to."

There ya' go reading the minds of people again who are many thousands of miles away from where you are. You've got a knack for such a thing, don't you?

September 13, 2012 at 8:29 a.m.
alprova said...

Jack_Dennis wrote: "ALPO: In a long list of stupid retorts, ^^^ is the dumbest. Sounds like YOU"RE the one living in the 50's."

You may think so, but it's a very relevant question to ask anyone who makes any claim of superiority to another regarding race relations.

Self-righteousness doesn't just involve religious belief, and I dare charge that anyone who has never entertained someone of another race in their own home is just as guilty of practicing segregation.

September 13, 2012 at 8:40 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

ALPO: That's just pure baloney and I think you know it. Want to back off that statement?

September 13, 2012 at 8:48 a.m.
degage said...

Yuup! Al, When our embassys are attacked I believe these people don't want anything to do with america so we deny them our money and they have what they are asking for.

I agree we cannot afford another war but if we take money from countrys trying to annihilate Israel they are going to be hurting for money to make that happen. Egypt, now that the muslim brotherhood has such a large influence is just one example.

You Al, are not the only person allowed to have an opinion.

September 13, 2012 at 8:50 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

New claims for unemployment benefits jumped to 382,000 last week, from an upwardly revised 367,000 the week before.

Posted as a PSA.

September 13, 2012 at 8:53 a.m.
patriot1 said...

Alpo: I did not refer to the kid in the back of the room as being black, you did. I happen to be Native American. Want to discuss how Andrew Jackson, another democrat, who democrats today celebrate, treated our people? Remember the Trail of Tears?

September 13, 2012 at 9:11 a.m.
alprova said...

Jack_Dennis wrote: "ALPO: That's just pure baloney and I think you know it. Want to back off that statement?"

Absolutely not.

September 13, 2012 at 9:18 a.m.
alprova said...

degage wrote: "Yuup! Al, When our embassys are attacked I believe these people don't want anything to do with america so we deny them our money and they have what they are asking for."

Before you make that judgment, it would have to be determined who the protesters are.

"I agree we cannot afford another war but if we take money from countrys trying to annihilate Israel they are going to be hurting for money to make that happen. Egypt, now that the muslim brotherhood has such a large influence is just one example."

Are you aware of something I am not? When has Egypt, or more to the point, any Gov't representative of Egypt ever been guilty of threatening Israel?

"You Al, are not the only person allowed to have an opinion."

When have I ever stated otherwise?

September 13, 2012 at 9:25 a.m.
patriot1 said...

Alpo:I realize most liberals think history began when GW Bush got elected, but it didn't so let me enlighten you. You asked when has Egypt ever threatened Israel? Ever heard of the Yom Kippur war, the Six Day War, the attack by the Arab countries (including Egypt) in 1948 after Israel became a state?

September 13, 2012 at 9:45 a.m.
alprova said...

patriot1 wrote: "Alpo: I did not refer to the kid in the back of the room as being black, you did."

You did use the word "minority," however, it would be rather silly for you to deny that black was not on your mind when you offered your statement. No other race of people in this country has ever been banned to the back of the bus or the back of the classroom.

"I happen to be Native American."

Really?

"Want to discuss how Andrew Jackson, another democrat, who democrats today celebrate, treated our people? Remember the Trail of Tears?"

You're seriously dragging up Andrew Jackson, who died in 1845, as an example of a modern day Democrat?

I think you know better.

September 13, 2012 at 9:49 a.m.
ibshame said...

Mitt Romney jumped the gun in making his statements concerning the attacks by accusing President Obama of being apologetic to the ones who committed these terrible acts of terrorism. Members of his own party have disavowed his statements and don't stand by him. President Obama said justice would be served against those who committed these acts and just as he said he would pursue Osama Bin Laden, he will pursue the perpretators of these acts.

When Mitt Romney could have shown leadership, he didn't instead he chose to try to score political points and it all backfired on him. He's a loser now and not even the debates will help him. If Barack Obama the candidate could outshine John McCain and Hillary Clinton, Mitt Romney will be toast. Mitt Romney had it easy during the primaries because he was on the stage with several light weights and an idiot in the form of Michelle Bachman. It won't happen in October!! He knows that now and nothing his campaign can do will stop the train wreck that's coming for him.

September 13, 2012 at 9:50 a.m.
alprova said...

patriot1 wrote: "Alpo:I realize most liberals think history began when GW Bush got elected, but it didn't so let me enlighten you. You asked when has Egypt ever threatened Israel? Ever heard of the Yom Kippur war, the Six Day War, the attack by the Arab countries (including Egypt) in 1948 after Israel became a state?"

That was 64 years ago. While very noteworthy, so far as I know, and I'm sure that you do too, the Gov't of Egypt has not leveled any threat to Israel in many years.

September 13, 2012 at 9:58 a.m.
limric said...

Considering the detours, schoolyard finger pointing and the childish empty name calling of some of the posts, BigRidgePatriots observations are by far the most enlightened. You may not agree with some of his opinions, but at least he can see the forest for the trees. An ability severely lacking in much of this forum.

Since today’s cartoon involves the classroom, I’m going to suggest a book to read. It is: ‘Days of Destruction, Days of Revolt’ by Chris Hedges and Joe Sacco. For those remedially challenged, I’ve included a link to an interview with Chris Hedges and Laura Flanders. That way you can get the gist of the book, call me a socialist, and repeat schoolyard finger pointing and the childish empty name calling.

http://grittv.org/2012/09/12/chris-hedges-and-larry-gibson-days-of-destruction/

In an effort of keep the rancor to a minimum, lets all agree now; it’s Obama's fault.

September 13, 2012 at 10:15 a.m.
degage said...

Al, what a hypocrite you are. you condemn me for daring to have any idea what the muslims in the mideast think then you turn around an claim you know what Patriot1 was thinking.

You also made it quite clear you didn't believe he was native american with your,'Really'.

September 13, 2012 at 10:21 a.m.
mymy said...

55 Days to Go!

It is still the economy/jobs/foreign policy/direction of country.

Tick, Tock, Tick, Tock!

September 13, 2012 at 10:21 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Islamist flags fly over 2 American Consulates. Yet Romney is catching the heat.

September 13, 2012 at 10:27 a.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said... patriot1 wrote: "Is this the classroom that exists in the mind of a liberal? Since the leftist party (democrats)have the history of segregation, does this explain why apparently the minority kid has a seat in the back of the class?"

alprova responded..... How many black people have you ever entertained as guests in your home?

Actually more than I can count, never thought keeping up with number of guest by ethnicity was important and still don't. What is the relevance of this question? I was surprised by you asking this question with the implications it has. Are you a native of south GA. or AL.? You know before and for several years after the civil rights act of 1964 the democrats were staunch segregationist. The truth is some of the older members of the party still are but vote for the democrat regardless. The republicans have their older dyed in the wool supporters also.

September 13, 2012 at 10:31 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

About those "millions" of moderate Muslims we keep hearing about....why don't they surround our embassies and offer us aid? Hmmm?

September 13, 2012 at 10:35 a.m.
fairmon said...

Off topic. I haven't heard a question asked regarding the lack of protection at the embassies with all the turmoil in the region, especially in Libya and Egypt, with the uncertainty of the governments in those coutries? If you have heard the question and an answer please share it.

September 13, 2012 at 10:40 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

harp: 911 slipped up on the administration.

September 13, 2012 at 10:42 a.m.
mymy said...

Hillary this morning is playing the Administration’s usual blame game: it is the movie, right! Total incompetence from top to bottom! Bo and Co. have to Go! Secretary of State Hillary Clinton asked: “How could this happen in a country we helped liberate, in a city we helped save from destruction?”

“How could this happen?”

Clinton, as Secretary of State, should know the answer to that question. That she didn’t anticipate even the remote possibility of the murder of our ambassador to Libya by her erstwhile friends led to his death. The Secretary of State is responsible for ensuring the security of our embassies and consulates and staff, as the State Department website plainly acknowledges:

“The Secretary of State, and by extension, the Chief of Mission (COM), are responsible for developing and implementing security policies and programs that provide for the protection of all U.S. Government personnel (including accompanying dependents) on official duty abroad. This mission is executed through the Bureau of Diplomatic Security (DS). Personal and facility protection are the most critical elements of the DS mission abroad as they directly impact upon the Department’s ability to carry out its foreign policy. With terrorist organizations and coalitions operating across international borders, the threat of terrorism against U.S. interests remains great. Therefore, any U.S. mission overseas can be a target even if identified as being in a low-threat environment.”

Even the State Department website acknowledges that the threat in places like Libya and Egypt “remains great,” even if targets are in a “low-threat environment,” which Benghazi and Cairo are certainly not. Yet the evidence shows that despite ample evidence that Libyan Islamist terrorists were about to take action against US interests – including a taped message from Al Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri released the day before the attacks, as well as a recent history of multiple attacks on diplomats in Benghazi -- Hillary Clinton did nothing……………………….. Hillary Clinton is the Secretary of State. She is responsible for the security of State Department officials abroad, and she is responsible too for their public actions. When it comes to the security threats and the Cairo apologies, the question isn't "How could this happen?" It's the same question she asked of President George W. Bush in 2002, politicizing the September 11 attacks: What did Hillary Clinton know, and when did she know it? http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/09/12/Clinton-responsible-for-security-failures-apologies

September 13, 2012 at 10:45 a.m.
patriot1 said...

mymy: I too watched the Hillary speech and wondered if maybe her trusted advisor and close confidant Huma assisted in putting together her statement. Huma, as you will recall, is also married to the infamous Anthony Weiner, former representative from NY. She is Arab and her late father, mother and brother have ties to the Muslim Brotherhood. Time for a regime change, wouldn't you say?

September 13, 2012 at 10:57 a.m.
mymy said...

I know about Huma and the Weiner! I look at Debbie W-S as the female Weiner. Big, nasty, lying mouths!!!!

September 13, 2012 at 11:06 a.m.
rogerdodger said...

Well we know for fact that none of those are Osama Obama because he would have his hands folded in front of his crotch while holding the Koran. It is sickening that there are so called Americans still supporting him.

September 13, 2012 at 11:31 a.m.
ibshame said...

"patriot1 said... mymy: I too watched the Hillary speech and wondered if maybe her trusted advisor and close confidant Huma assisted in putting together her statement. Huma, as you will recall, is also married to the infamous Anthony Weiner, former representative from NY. She is Arab and her late father, mother and brother have ties to the Muslim Brotherhood. Time for a regime change, wouldn't you say?"

"mymy said... I know about Huma and the Weiner! I look at Debbie W-S as the female Weiner. Big, nasty, lying mouths!!!!"

SO YOU CALL YOURSELVES PATRIOTS? YOU KNOW NOTHING OF PATRIOTISM. I AM BY NO MEANS AN ALL OUT FAN OF JOHN McCAIN BUT EVEN HE KNEW BETTER THAN THIS WING-NUT CRAP YOU AND MYMY HAVE ESPOUSED HERE TODAY CONCERNING HUMA ABEDIN. A BIGOT BY ANY OTHER NAME IS STILL A BIGOT AND YOU TWO HAVE CERTAINLY SHOWN YOURSELVES TO BE SUCH BY YOUR COMMENTS CONDEMNING THIS LADY FOR WHAT HER RELATIVES HAVE DONE.

John McCain on Huma Abedin:

"In a floor speech Wednesday, McCain defended Abedin, calling her “an intelligent, upstanding, hard-working and loyal servant of our country and our government, who has devoted countless days of her life to advancing the ideals of the nation she loves and looking after its most precious interests. That she has done so while maintaining her characteristic decency, warmth and good humor is a testament to her ability to bear even the most arduous duties with poise and confidence.

“Put simply, Huma represents what is best about America: the daughter of immigrants, who has risen to the highest levels of our government on the basis of her substantial personal merit and her abiding commitment to the American ideals that she embodies so fully,” McCain said. “I am proud to know Huma and to call her my friend.”

September 13, 2012 at 11:32 a.m.
Leaf said...

patriot, are you really dredging up that whole, "there's an Arab working in the state department" thing? That xenophobic hysteria has been discredited so many times it's amazing that you never got the memo.

And mymy, how the heck is Hillary Clinton supposed to predict every attack in every place in the world? If you can read the future, why aren't you advising the state department on future events and basking in Tahiti with your stock-market billions instead of wasting your time writing feeble rants in a Chattanooga newspaper? You sad little whiner.

September 13, 2012 at 11:36 a.m.
mymy said...

ibshame: Why I had to hold my nose and vote for McCain!!!!!!

Anything is better that what "YOU" dummy's gave us and still are supporting what I consider an enemy of this country.

Bo and Co. Have to Go!!!!!

September 13, 2012 at 11:42 a.m.
mymy said...

Leaf: She is Sec. of State and it is her responsibility to know the obvious and act accordingly. She Did Not!!!! So, as I said, playing the usual Administration blame game and dummies buy it!!!

September 13, 2012 at 11:46 a.m.
alprova said...

degage wrote: "Al, what a hypocrite you are. you condemn me for daring to have any idea what the muslims in the mideast think then you turn around an claim you know what Patriot1 was thinking."

Oh please. An idiot could figure out real quick what he was referring to.

"You also made it quite clear you didn't believe he was native american with your,'Really'."

I keep trying to tell you that you're not very good at this ESP thing. My "really" was followed by a question mark. How you made any stretch that I didn't believe the man, is beyond all comprehension.

September 13, 2012 at noon
mymy said...

Obama echoes Carter with ‘shoot first’ criticism of Romney

Gov. Romney seems to have a tendency to shoot first and aim later,” President Obama said in a CBS interview last night, criticizing Romney’s reaction to the embassy attack in Cairo. Romney criticized the Obama administration’s ‘apology’ in response to the attacks on the embassy and subsequent failure to condemn the attacks right away.

Obama’s remarks, however, echo frequent criticisms made by President Jimmy Carter of Ronald Reagan, then his opponent for the presidency.

Carter criticized Reagan’s views on foreign policy during his speech at the Democratic National Convention in 1980, slamming Reagan for living in a “fantasy world” and noting his inability to understand the “complex global changes” in foreign policy.

“It’s a make believe world. A world of good guys and bad guys, where some politicians shoot first and ask questions later,” Carter said, “No hard choices. No sacrifice. No tough decisions. It sounds too good to be true – and it is. The path of fantasy leads to irresponsibility. The path of reality leads to hope and peace.”

After Reagan’s nomination in July 1980, Carter criticized Republicans calling it “a party with a narrow vision, a party that is afraid of the future, a party whose leaders are inclined to shoot from the hip, a party that has never been willing to put its investment in human beings who are below them in economic and social status.”

As Philip Klein noted on Twitter, the Carter campaign ran fearful “man on the street” ads during the campaign, fretting that Reagan would be a president who would “shoot from the hip.”

((We all know how that worked out, don’t we!))

http://washingtonexaminer.com/obama-echoes-carter-with-shoot-first-criticism-of-romney/article/2507863?custom_click=rss#.UFHbjKDW1AV

September 13, 2012 at 12:13 p.m.
alprova said...

Jack_Dennis wrote: "About those "millions" of moderate Muslims we keep hearing about....why don't they surround our embassies and offer us aid? Hmmm?"

Aw geez...Why don't you just hop a plane and go stand a post?

September 13, 2012 at 12:46 p.m.
Easy123 said...

JonRoss,

Your psychosis has been duly noted. Everyone should read this to know what a crazy person sounds like.:

"The chaos that will build over the next four years, his physical removal from the White House by federal marshalls or superpissed citizen mobs will be enthralling to watch on TV. The bastard may be U.S. citizen by birth, but he is in no way an American."

You aren't an American, JonRoss. You're a Wingnut. You are a bastard though. A crazy bastard.

September 13, 2012 at 1:05 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

EATN said, "But even Romney will find that it's going to take a lot more cash to overcome his sinking in the polls by his flip-flopping and putting his foot in his mouth every few days".

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

Romney-47

Obama-46

Who's slipping in the polls?

September 13, 2012 at 1:14 p.m.
Easy123 said...

JonRoss,

Is that the best you can do?

September 13, 2012 at 1:27 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Alpo: What did you find objectionable about my question?

September 13, 2012 at 1:30 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Toes,

"Who's slipping in the polls?"

Not Obama. He's back up to +3. That's a 3-point jump since the DNC.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html

LMFAO!

September 13, 2012 at 1:31 p.m.
blackwater48 said...

ROMNEY WATCH a continuing series...

Why does Mitt Romney hate America?

And why does he repeatedly overreact to imaginary events?

What a buffoon.

September 13, 2012 at 1:36 p.m.
degage said...

Easy is in rare form today with his nasty names. opps its not rare.

September 13, 2012 at 1:41 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

dgage: you can count on Easy to be the vile bomb thrower.

On another note: The Exalted One had to apologize to Eygpt for saying they are not an ally. Inexperience continues to show..a la Barack Biden.

September 13, 2012 at 1:44 p.m.
Easy123 said...

The truth hurts. LOL!

September 13, 2012 at 1:54 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Easy, you wouldn't know the truth if it hit you right in your zit covered face.

September 13, 2012 at 2:01 p.m.
degage said...

JonRoss they were denied live ammo , might as well have been weapons, same thing.

September 13, 2012 at 2:04 p.m.
Easy123 said...

JackTroll,

Your opinion has been duly noted.

:-)

September 13, 2012 at 2:06 p.m.
mymy said...

Obama To Soldiers Overseas: No Voting For You!

Military: The administration thanks the troops for their service by failing to comply with a law requiring that it help soldiers deployed overseas cast ballots in their home states.

The administration has taken various states to court to block voter ID laws on the grounds it will disenfranchise voters. But it has no qualms about the disenfranchisement of military voters overseas through its failure to comply with and enforce the Military and Overseas Voter Empowerment (MOVE) Act, passed by Congress in 2009 and signed into law by President Barack Obama………………………………………………………..

Is there a method in the administration's madness, a reason it doesn't want to make it easier for soldiers to vote? It couldn't possibly have anything to do with the fact that John McCain won 54% of the military vote in 2008 or that a May 2012 Gallup poll showed Mitt Romney pulling 58% to President Obama's paltry 34%.

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/090712-624998-obama-ignores-military-absentee-voting-problems.htm?ven=OutBrainCP

September 13, 2012 at 2:22 p.m.
miraweb said...

Jim Horn has been linked to Steve Klein and the video production as well. Turns out Horn gave an anti-Muslim talk to the National Federation of Republican Women in 2007.

One more bit of trivia on these guys - apparently, Steve Klein is a board member of "Courageous Christians United" - who are the sponsor of a group targeting Mormons in Utah.

http://www.meetup.com/Salt-Lake-City-Ex-Mormon-Meetup/

A small network of militant US Christians helped the video's Californian Coptic makers.

Steve Klein, an anti-Islamic activist and self-described counter-terrorism expert, said he acted as a "consultant" on the film. He did not respond to interview requests on Thursday.

Klein has worked closely with Coptic groups over the years, according to Jim Horn, a fellow activist. "He's been helping them to stand up for themselves against Islamic terror in Egypt. That's what he does," he told the Guardian.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/sep/13/anti-islam-trailer-police-california

September 13, 2012 at 2:26 p.m.
mymy said...

Easy: Haven't you seen any real news of late. There has been a rash of polls with drastically different outcomes.

So, for now the only one that counts is November 6, 2012!

Bo is going down!

September 13, 2012 at 2:30 p.m.
mymy said...

A Libyan official said Thursday that the deadly attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi was a planned, two-part operation that included a raid on a supposedly secret safe house -- an account that comports with what a top U.S. lawmaker told Fox News a day earlier.

On Wednesday, House Intelligence Committee Chairman Mike Rogers told Fox News that the strike was a "coordinated, military-style" operation.

Wanis al-Sharef, eastern Libya's deputy interior minister, then said on Thursday the attacks were suspected to have been timed to mark the 9/11 anniversary and that the militants used civilians protesting an anti-Islam film as cover for their action.

The same official also told Reuters that arrests have been made in connection with the investigation. It's unclear whether those arrested are chief suspects. Sharef said "some people have been arrested," but stressed the Libyan government is still "gathering evidence."

Separately, Sharef offered new details about the operation behind the attack Tuesday. He said U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens and another official were killed in the consulate, but that the attackers timed a second wave on the safe house just as Libyan and U.S. security forces were arriving to rescue evacuated consulate staff.

He said that second wave killed two more Americans and wounded nearly 30 Libyans and Americans.

The comments continued to contradict initial reports that the attack was a product of angry and violent protests over an anti-Islam film...........................

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/13/consulate-attack-planned-as-2-part-militant-assault-libyan-official-says/#ixzz26NO3geJC

September 13, 2012 at 2:37 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Mymy,

The latest polls have Obama ahead.

Keep up that false hope.

September 13, 2012 at 2:39 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Pelosi: I Still Support U.S. Aid to Egypt

Of course she does. It's spending money, ain't it?

September 13, 2012 at 2:39 p.m.
mymy said...

Easy: you missed the point re polls out now. The only dependable poll is 11/12!

You dream on!

September 13, 2012 at 2:44 p.m.
Easy123 said...

JonRoss,

Obama isn't friends with Bill Ayers.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/ayers.asp

The rest of the people you mentioned are neither Marxists or thugs.

Try again.

September 13, 2012 at 2:45 p.m.
mymy said...

The Obama Administration is incompetent to safeguard our diplomats especially with 9/11 arriving!!! Oh, I know the war on terrorism is over with the death of Bin Laden.

Bin Laden’s Dream of a Caliphate Lives On

The Obama Administration is taking sole credit for this great achievement of the American people. They have made it the centerpiece of their partisan campaign platform. "Obama killed Osama" has been turned into a campaign slogan, as if Bush, Clinton, McCain, or Romney would have done anything less.

However, what is being camouflaged by the “I killed Osama” campaign is the realization in the American people that Osama’s dreams are thriving despite the fact that he is dead. Severing the head of al-Qaida is being brandished as the administration’s piece de résistance when in reality, the organization bin Laden created, and the movement and ideology that inspired it, are much closer to achieving the dreams of al-Qaida’s late founder.

It is ironic that killing bin Laden is being hailed as the near end of the war on terror while the Obama administration's global and regional policies are facilitating Osama’s dream of the rise of emirates, and a restored Caliphate at the hands of Islamists, Salafists, and jihadists, even if in the early stages.

Is there a link between the administration's policies and Islamists’ and Jihadists’ bold forward march? Critics might be dubious about the idea, citing the killing of bin Laden as prima facie evidence of an all-out war against the enemy of the United States. Killing Osama while allowing Islamists to overrun the Middle East is not victory, but abetting bin Laden’s vision and keeping his dream alive. Here’s why:

The leader of al-Qaida was eliminated by SEAL Team Six by presidential order. It was the right thing to do. Killing bin Laden was one operation in a wider war, a single act of justice against a terror leader.

Despite this, Osama’s ideological goal kept advancing as did supporters of his ideology. The same administration that took credit for bin Laden’s elimination has allowed his dream to be realized, or at least on the path of doing so. Killing a wanted terrorist is good U.S. policy, but facilitating bin Laden’s ideology is the greatest possible transgression imaginable against U.S. interests and freedom……………………………………………………….

Read more on Newsmax.com: Bin Laden’s Dream of a Caliphate Lives On

September 13, 2012 at 2:46 p.m.
miraweb said...

Klein and Horn are good enough friends that they went together to pass out anti-Muslim leaflets to high school students in Temecula, California about a year and a half ago:

http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/temecula/temecula-high-school-students-enmeshed-in-mosque-debate/article_495392a7-0eac-5f26-96c8-19b0519fb2ad.html

September 13, 2012 at 2:47 p.m.
mymy said...

Easy: You are dummer than a box of rocks to believe everything you hear on the liberal MSM.

September 13, 2012 at 2:49 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Easy said "The rest of the people you mentioned are neither Marxists or thugs." Probably both, Ease. Your kind of peeps.

September 13, 2012 at 2:51 p.m.
Walden said...

By the way, Rasmussen is one of the few polls that actually contacts an equal number of Dems and Republicans (as opposed to those favored by the lefties, which poll about 55% libs and 45% conservatives). And by doing that, they are still only showing a 3 point lead! As the young skulls full of mush around here would say, "LMFAO!"

September 13, 2012 at 2:53 p.m.
miraweb said...

Here is an excerpt from Klein's organization's website "Courageous Christians United". Apparently, they also sponsor websites that are anti-Muslim, anti-Jehovah's Witnesses, and anti-Mormon.

The law of double effect teaches that one may intend a good consequence and actually obtain it while another unintended consequence also follows. This is why one may be justified intending a dying patient receive comfort by way of medicine even though such a dose will do the patient in, or why war may be justified (e.g., self-defense) even though unintended killings of some innocents will no doubt occur. (For more on this, see here.) So even though Romney becoming president may bring with it the unintended consequence of building the Mormon kingdom to some extent, intending the greater good of allowing conservative principles to rule may justify a Christian’s support for Romney over the liberal secular kingdom and principles of Obama.

Having said all this though, many of the details Decker presents are true. Romney did take blood oaths to fully support the LDS Church in building the kingdom of God on earth prior to these oaths being deleted from the 1990 temple ceremony. Romney also certainly does have a “God in embryo” complex. However, it is primarily Decker's unsubstantiated conclusion of a Mormon presidency entailing Mormon theocracy that I take issue with. - R. M. Sivulka, President - CCU

http://www.courageouschristiansunited.org/blog/A-Critique-of-Ed-Deckers-The-Mormon-Plan-for-America-and-the-Rise-of-Mitt-Romney-44896

September 13, 2012 at 2:58 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Mymy,

I rarely watch MSNBC. Keep trying though.

JackTroll,

Or not.

Walden,

RCP averages all of the polls. It's more accurate. By the way, Obama is also leading in most of the swing states.

:-)

Ruh Roh Ralden.

September 13, 2012 at 3 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

limric said... “Since today’s cartoon involves the classroom, I’m going to suggest a book to read. It is: ‘Days of Destruction, Days of Revolt’ by Chris Hedges and Joe Sacco. For those remedially challenged, I’ve included a link to an interview with Chris Hedges and Laura Flanders.”*

http://grittv.org/2012/09/12/chris-hedges-and-larry-gibson-days-of-destruction/

Thank you for the book recommendation. I find myself agreeing with much of what is said in the interview, at least the problem definition. I think the solution is where we diverge. I am all for community and cooperation but believe there is a scale beyond which collectivism works no better, arguably worse, than unfettered crony capitalism. Certainly, collectivism eventually turns into another form of crony capitalism when the bloated bureaucracy spins out of control, and it always does!

September 13, 2012 at 3:01 p.m.
mymy said...

Easy: It is also becoming evident that the fact checkers need fact checkers. It just depends on which side they lean.

Can't believe everything you see/read/hear these days. Fox comes closer to giving us both sides and then I can make up my own mine what I think. Don't need somebody to tell me. Sorry your too dumb to figures things out.

Takes some commonsense and we know commonsense is dead especially on the liberal side. It's all about who will give to me/take care of me from cradle to grave. Well, commonsense should tell you that kind of government/attitude has a short shelf life!

The Navy Seals removed one threat to America. Remove the other in November.

Bo and Co. must go!!!

September 13, 2012 at 3:12 p.m.
Walden said...

Romney is way ahead with independents. Ruh Roh young skulls full of mush! Again ROTFLMFAO.

September 13, 2012 at 3:12 p.m.
alprova said...

Jack_Dennis wrote: "Alpo: What did you find objectionable about my question?"

Nothing, but you really shouldn't expect others to do what you are not willing to do yourself.

Grab a gun and get on over there.

September 13, 2012 at 3:13 p.m.
alprova said...

mymy wrote: "Easy: you missed the point re polls out now. The only dependable poll is 11/12!"

Mymy, the result of one poll quite meaningless. I monitor 36 polls taken on a weekly basis and average the numbers to give a more clear picture.

Obama is still up on Romney and that has held true all year long.

"You dream on!"

Even your precious Fox News knows that Obama is up in the polls. You live in a very fantasial paradise.

September 13, 2012 at 3:23 p.m.
alprova said...

Walden wrote: "By the way, Rasmussen is one of the few polls that actually contacts an equal number of Dems and Republicans (as opposed to those favored by the lefties, which poll about 55% libs and 45% conservatives)."

I still am associated with a local firm here in Chattanooga, that contracts to conduct polls for several clients, including Rasmussen, and what you say is mostly true, but there is absolutely no way to guarantee that the results of one poll, hits the mark of contacting a representative sample of the voters.

It takes several polls taken in many different areas of the State, at different times of the day, to arrive at what can be determined to be a dependable average.

September 13, 2012 at 3:33 p.m.
mtngrl said...

mymy's 2:37 post from fox news shows a glaring problem with the right's misunderstanding of this whole issue of whether this was a planned attack vs. reaction to that stupid film...

"The comments continued to contradict initial reports that the attack was a product of angry and violent protests over an anti-Islam film..."

Doesn't Fox or you mymy realize the posting condemning the film came from the Cairo Embassy, but the deadly attacks occurred at the Libyan Embassy? Or do you think that Cairo is in Libya?

September 13, 2012 at 3:37 p.m.
Walden said...

I would caution the Dems from getting too orgasmic over the current polls. Remember, Carter was up 6 points on Reagan in the last days of the 1980 campaign (and we all know what delicious results we saw on that particular election day!!, although some on here weren't even born until the Clinton years, so sad). Oh, and Michael "Do Tax Us" Dukakis was up by 17 points over George H.W. Bush at one point in 1988. Silly little libs. It's gonna hurt in November, ain't it?

September 13, 2012 at 3:37 p.m.
Walden said...

Alprova - I don't know why, but I kind of like you. The offer still stands for the 2016 movie!

To your point, another thing to consider is the fact that only about 9% of people contacted actually respond to pollers' questions.

Take care.

September 13, 2012 at 3:40 p.m.
mtngrl said...

like me? I pointed out they are different. That link mymy posted put them together and it is from Fox, not CNN or NPR. You just seem to want to post the opposite of actuality.

September 13, 2012 at 3:47 p.m.
mymy said...

The film is being used as an excuse, but.........really a coordinated event around 9/11.

And then there's:

The Yemeni president apologized to the United States Thursday over the attack on the U.S. Embassy in the capital of Sanaa, after protesters flooded the perimeter and breached the walls in the latest attack on a U.S. diplomatic post.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/13/yemeni-government-claims-order-restored-at-us-embassy/#ixzz26NgQwsfM

September 13, 2012 at 3:52 p.m.
mtngrl said...

JonRoss said...

"mtn you are just part of the big lie mentality that has exploded during the Obama regime. Throw anything against the wall, claim it means something else, and then continue to thrash and squak about how hateful America and Americans are."

That there is the lie... please post evidence

September 13, 2012 at 4:08 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

President Barack Obama didn't intend to signal any change in the U.S.-Egypt relationship last night when he said Egypt is not an "ally," the White House told The Cable today.

The Community Organizer must be getting gaffe lessons from Plugs Biden.

September 13, 2012 at 4:24 p.m.
miraweb said...

Yeah - ricardo called it (3:51 am). Back on your meds, boys. This is just getting plain sad.

September 13, 2012 at 4:40 p.m.
mymy said...

As bad as things are now, they are gona get worse. Big Ben-political hack he is did QE III today. Keeping interst rates artifically low/helping markets/fool people into thinking O did it. Guess what is on it way. Carter inflation/interest rates. I'm prepared are you? Think energy/food prices are bad now. Hide and watch!

Just adding to the mess the Obama Administration has made for this country and the world.

Bo and Co. must go!

September 13, 2012 at 4:57 p.m.
miraweb said...

Too many folks with a 7th grade understanding of economics.

Printing money is sometimes good, and sometimes bad.

IF inflation is a substantial risk - then printing money (or QE) is a bad idea.

IF inflation is not a risk - then printing money is actually a good idea.

IF deflation is a risk - then printing money is a very, very good idea.

There is no sign of substantial inflation in the U.S. economy. Oil prices will likely continue to fall after the election. The oil interests Spring offensive (you may remember it) didn't completely work. The economy slowed - but it didn't go bust as they hoped.

Betting against the U.S. economy is not a good game to play.

September 13, 2012 at 5:04 p.m.
miraweb said...

Here is an interesting coincidence:

Sam Bacile is the name that appeared as the director of the film.

Bacile seems fairly obviously related to Basselly. But why Sam?

The three known principles have been identified as Steve Klein, Abenob Nakoula Bassely, and Morris Sadek. (Sadek is the man who gave the AP the phone number that led to Nakoula Bassely).

If you take the first initials of their names : SAM

September 13, 2012 at 5:13 p.m.
limric said...

Shh-shh-shh mymy. It'll be allll right.

Your tin foil hat is on too tight. It'll be nite nite time soon and you can have some warm milk. JonRoss can read you some Fox stories and give you a kiss on the head when you get sweepy.

Will you be using a riding crop to herd people into the freight cars? You are a frightening individual.

September 13, 2012 at 5:24 p.m.
potcat said...

limric, thanks for the laugh,it was much needed. Spot on to mymy.

I bet you are a excellent bedtime story teller.

September 13, 2012 at 5:54 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Mira: Wow, I spent many hours in Economics Classes and you summed it up in one post. Amazing.

September 13, 2012 at 5:58 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

I agree with mymy about pending inflation due to monetizing the debt. The house of cards is only being held up right now because the dollar is viewed by many as a safe haven in a really scary financial world. When that crutch collapses so will the dollar... and so will your wealth held in dollars.

September 13, 2012 at 6:05 p.m.
patriot1 said...

I agree with mymy...inflation is on the way.

September 13, 2012 at 6:08 p.m.
miraweb said...

The interesting bit is that they will be focusing on buying mortgage-backed debt. It looks like the Fed found a way to begin cleaning out the housing market mess. Very interesting.

Inflation is currently at 2.2% Historically, 3.1% is a reasonably healthy number. I'll start flapping my arms when inflation begins to approach its historical norms.

September 13, 2012 at 6:23 p.m.
miraweb said...

Market reaction to the move:

Risk assets topped off as the Chairman took the stage and took questions from reporters. All three major U.S. equity indexes rallied sharply on the QE3 announcement, with the Dow gaining 184 points to 13,518 points by 3:07 PM. Gold surged, gaining 1.8% to $1,765.50 an ounce, while shares in major banks like Wells Fargo, Bank of America, and Citigroup all spiked.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/afontevecchia/2012/09/13/bernanke-i-dont-think-our-tools-are-that-strong-and-the-fed-cant-offset-the-fiscal-cliff/

September 13, 2012 at 6:27 p.m.
patriot1 said...

What I think the Chairman was saying is this is about the only arrow I have in my quiver. When inflation spikes so will interest....uhhh what's 10% interest on 16 trillion? $1.6 This is the hole we have dug. The fed is propping up the bond market at a tune of 40 billlion per month, open ended. This can't last forever folks.

September 13, 2012 at 6:52 p.m.

So I guess nobody wants to look for ways to solve the problem?

Try proportional representation.

September 13, 2012 at 6:58 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Teamsters President James Hoffa on Thursday compared the Republican Party to genocidal Cambodian leader Pol Pot and likened the tea party to the John Birch Society.

In remarks before the National Press Club, the fiery Detroit-born leader in his fourth term of running the 1.4-million member union also said the future of organized labor is at stake.

This coming from a Hoffa. Bwahahahaha

September 13, 2012 at 7:29 p.m.
rogerdodger said...

So while US citizens are being murdered by muslim hate groups Obama instead of doing his duties as (joke) President skips intelligence breifing because he has to attend a fundtaiser in vegas. http://chasepolitics.com/

September 13, 2012 at 7:33 p.m.
mymy said...

LOL

limric: It will be fun to watch the liberals scream when they wake up one day to find out the fairy tales they have been told and believe have turned into a real life nightmare. (worse than now that you don't see).

Who are you going to blame then: Bush, Republicans, Europe, a hurricane, wild fire, ATM machines, etc.?

I will just sleep well and earn some extra $'s for me and mine!!! The advantage of being a saver not a taker!!!!!!!!!!!!

Good night and sweet fairy tale dreams.

September 13, 2012 at 7:39 p.m.
patriot1 said...

Looks like Obama got schooled by no other than Jimmuh Carter! http://nation.foxnews.com/jimmy-carter/2012/09/13/jimmy-carter-corrects-obama

September 13, 2012 at 7:42 p.m.
mymy said...

Patriot1: LOL funny from the NOW second worst President this country has ever had!!!

September 13, 2012 at 7:50 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

miraweb said... "Market reaction to the move..."

The market has been chasing short term gains driven by the easy cash. The more they pump up this bubble the more violently it will burst. The big money guys will be left holding all of the cards when the downturn comes. Most regular Joes will be crushed.

I am not looking forward to the day when you finally recognize the incredible peril we have been put in.

September 13, 2012 at 7:51 p.m.
mymy said...

BRP: LOL funny that the little dumb Liberals will be fooled into thinking everything is coming up roses and Osama Obama did it!

September 13, 2012 at 7:56 p.m.
fairmon said...

This is attributed to Dr. Barbara Bellar a candidate for the Illinois state senate. Regardless of the source it describes Obamacare well. You are invited to point out any inaccuracies.

So, let me get this straight. This is a long sentence. We’re going to be gifted with a healthcare plan that we’re forced to purchase and fined if we don’t, which purportedly covers at least 10 million more people without adding a single doctor but provides for 16,000 new IRS agents, written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn’t understand it, passed by a Congress that didn’t read it but exempted themselves from it, and signed by a President who smokes, with funding administered by a Treasury chief who didn’t pay his taxes, for which we will be taxed for four years before any benefits take effect, by a government that has already bankrupted Social Security and Medicare, all to be overseen by a Surgeon General who is obese and finally, financed by a country that’s broke.

September 13, 2012 at 8:05 p.m.
mymy said...

harp: a good simple explaination and still the stupid will not get it.

September 13, 2012 at 8:12 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

mymy said... "funny that the little dumb Liberals will be fooled into thinking everything is coming up roses and Osama Obama did it!"

I am afraid that the big government republicans are just as guilty. The "conservative" party more than played its part in this whole thing. They can blame Obama all they want, but I have very little faith that the party has the balls to do what is necessary to ease the crash. They will happily blame the democrats and a few blue republicans for foiling their "good intentions". They grandstand over meaningless votes they know will not get past the democrat controlled Senate and then run for the hills when a real challenge comes along.

We have three of the guilty parties representing us here in Hamilton County... Alexander, Corker and Fleischmann.

September 13, 2012 at 8:27 p.m.
mymy said...

Can't say I totally agree with you, but I think there is plenty of blame to go around starting decades ago to get us to the point we are today.

September 13, 2012 at 8:32 p.m.
fairmon said...

BRP said...

We have three of the guilty parties representing us here in Hamilton County... Alexander, Corker and Fleischmann.

Complicit describes their behavior. People will only understand when the pain is unbearable.....not too far away if nothing changes.

September 13, 2012 at 8:46 p.m.
limric said...

Mymy, Your hot toddy before beddy bye,

You wonder who I will blame? When the erosion of our civil rights is complete, drones and cameras, indefinite detentions and targeted killing, enhanced interrogation and illegal wiretapping, the increased militarization of local police and the gutting of the middle class, endless wars for profit and the lawlessness of the new Corporatocracy, enabled by a dumbed down electorate easily manipulated by fact less sound bites becomes the new normal.

I’ll blame – you.

September 13, 2012 at 8:48 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

I wonder if the Community Organizer considers the U.S. as an ally?

September 13, 2012 at 9:17 p.m.
mymy said...

Right on JonRoss

I think limric has more than a night time toddy. May 24/7 to be in such a state confusion..

September 13, 2012 at 9:22 p.m.
raygunz said...

limric,you NAILED it @ 8:48pm!!

September 13, 2012 at 9:29 p.m.
raygunz said...

Oh btw,did y'all know that "Democrats are colluding with radical Muslims to obliterate Israel. So they gave up their leader,OSAMA, (and money source) to President Obama in order to make him look good so he could get re-elected and let them bring destruction to the entire Middle East. ".(according to Rush)

LMFAO!!!

September 13, 2012 at 9:39 p.m.
degage said...

Let me get this straight , the gov was warned 48 hrs before the embassies were hit and didn't alert the diplomats? Hmmm. ally is a legal term for art? Hmmm.

September 13, 2012 at 9:48 p.m.
raygunz said...

Dude, bush who?

September 13, 2012 at 10:42 p.m.
alprova said...

miraweb wrote: "Too many folks with a 7th grade understanding of economics."

This describes the Ron Paul and Fox News groupies and all the other wing-flappers.

September 13, 2012 at 10:51 p.m.
miraweb said...

rodger - the Presidential Daily Briefing is a document, not a meeting. Bush did have a meeting each time, (apparently because he was having trouble reading through all of the document). Clinton managed his PDB the same way that Obama does.

BRP - the real major risk to the market is the deregulation of the financial industry. Romney wants more of that. A very dumb idea.

Limric (8:48) - Yep. I agree.

degage - The embassies were already on alert because of the 9-11 anniversary. All of them are now reviewing their security. Troops, both ours and from the governments where the embassies are stationed, are on as additional protection.

Some of the more nutcase websites are starting to speculate that an Egyption islamic militant group financed the film that the California militant Christian group produced by using members posing as Coptic Christians.

The Coptic community in California is saying that they saw very little of Mr. Nakoula at their services (and not at all for the last 3 years)

Nakoula is certainly is no prince (10 aliases, 1 criminal fraud conviction) but that is a long way from saying he has ties to Egyptian terrorist groups.

If that proves to have any basis at all in reality, playing U.S. radical Christian groups to incite violence in the Middle East is a whole new line of attack.

September 13, 2012 at 11 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

alprova,

Accounting gimmicks, hypothecation and fiat currency got us into this mess. I would imagine you are well versed and maybe even complicit in this slime.

September 13, 2012 at 11:04 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

miraweb said... "the real major risk to the market is the deregulation of the financial industry. Romney wants more of that. A very dumb idea."

Appropriate regulation is OK. They NEVER should have allowed banking and investment firms to blend together. Regulation like that hideous Dodd-Frank mountain of feces helps nothing.

September 13, 2012 at 11:12 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Or the "community reinvestment act". Wake up! Your beloved government is a party to what ails us!

September 13, 2012 at 11:15 p.m.
miraweb said...

Traditional economic theory is that there is a magic number that expresses the potential full-employment state of the economy. When the economy operates close to that number, it is very efficient.

When the economy is fired up and overshoots the full employment number, we get inflation.

When the economy is underperforming in relationship to the full employment number, we get job losses.

The trick is no one really knows what that number actually is. It can be estimated in hindsight, but predicting it is much harder.

The Fed's analysis today indicates that they think that housing is a significant drag on economic performance and volatility in oil prices is skewing the inflation estimates as it is relatively soft in pretty much all other areas.

What they are doing is beginning to solve the housing mess by getting a lot of bad instruments out of the mix and supporting a weak economy to begin moving it closer to the real full employment stage.

Where inflation is not a huge risk, the right tool is to expand the money supply. Using that expansion to buy out mortgage backed securities is a good target.

The nice bit is all of this can be done without any new Federal bureaucracies or any need to add more to the debt. Republicans ought to be thrilled.

Bernanke did warn the Congress that if they decide to be really stupid with the post-election fiscal cliff, the Fed has no way to bail them out. If they go over that cliff - we all go over.

September 13, 2012 at 11:24 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

"I am not looking forward to the day when you finally recognize the incredible peril we have been put in."

The vast majority will not see it coming until it slams them in the face.

September 13, 2012 at 11:34 p.m.
miraweb said...

My favorite quote from today:

According to Copts Today, an Arabic news outlet focusing on Coptic affairs, Sadek was seen taking a leisurely stroll down Washington's M Street on September 11, soaking in the sun on a perfect autumn day.

All of a sudden, he found himself surrounded by four angry Coptic women. Berating Sadek for fueling the flames of sectarian violence, the women took off their heels and began beating him over the head.

"If anything happens to a Christian in Egypt," one of them shouted at him, "you'll be the reason!"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/sep/13/egypt-libya-hollywood-film

September 14, 2012 at 12:19 a.m.
alprova said...

BRP wrote: "Accounting gimmicks, hypothecation and fiat currency got us into this mess. I would imagine you are well versed and maybe even complicit in this slime."

I'm just a squirrel trying to get a nut, just like you are. The difference between yourself and I is that I do understand economics, have an economics and an accounting degree, and understand completely why this country's finances began unraveling in 2007.

You made a touchdown when you made reference to Gramm-Leach-Blilely, which rescinded Glass-Steagall. That key piece of legislation, introduced by three former Republican lawmakers, which went on to be passed by a Republican majority in Congress, is the spark that led to the massive fire.

You fumbled the ball in the end-zone when you made reference to the CRA. The CRA contributed very little to what caused the mortgage mess.

September 14, 2012 at 4:14 a.m.
alprova said...

miraweb, thank you for posting the link to that Guardian article. Everyone needs to read it. It puts this whole thing into perspective very nicely, and it exposes if nothing else, how lies dispensed under the guise of free speech can be extremely dangerous and harmful to others.

Free speech used to express Islamaphobia may very well have had a firm hand in what led to the deaths of four Americans.

Some of the same points of Islamaphobia expressed in this very thread by some can also be found in that ridiculous film. Please people...take a deep breath and do some reading on the subject. Don't allow yourselves to continue to be part of the problem.

Yes, defenders of Islam do so violently at times. They take their religion very seriously. The Muslim population in this country is quite high, and yet, there have been no organized instances of violence by our Muslim-American population.

What should that tell you? It should tell you that it is culture, not the religion itself, that pre-disposes people to become violent in those Middle Eastern countries.

Americans have become violent in this nation too, for completely different reasons, such as at times of celebration following a major win in a sporting event. L.A. went nuts following the aquittal of the officers who had beaten Rodney King. Were those riots just a black thing, or did it have more to do with mob mentality spawned by anger, discontentment, desperation, or perhaps a resentment that had been building after years of persecution?

God put us all down here on Earth, with our many, many differences for some reason. It would have been nice if we all looked like one another, practiced the same religion, and agreed on everything all the time. But that was not in the cards.

We are all endowed and gifted with a brain to be used to think and to reason. Clearly, there are those who use their brains more than others.

Please people...start exercising your brains and practice arriving at logical, sensible, and reasonable conclusions. It is nothing but pure insanity to do otherwise.

September 14, 2012 at 5:03 a.m.
fairmon said...

Does QE3 suggest the economy is worse than we realized? In addition to helping the stock market will it create jobs? More printing of money weakens the dollar and increases the cost of commodities including food, energy and metals. Is inflation soon to follow? Will QE3 buy liberty, justice and a presidency?

September 14, 2012 at 6:30 a.m.
patriot1 said...

harp: I think it suggests that at best, the fundamentals are no better than they were. mira correctly points out in a previous post, when the economy overheats we get inflation, when it cools we get job losses. The problem comes when the federal reserve and/or the government tries to manipulate (especially for political expediency) that we get in trouble. As William Bonner wrote in "Empire of Debt" everything, whether in nature or the economy, tries to migrate toward the mean and left alone that tends to happen. Yes we need laws (and what is a regulation if not a law) to insure there are rules, but knee jerk reactions get us in trouble. Sooner or later the marketplace has its way,and as BRP stated earlier the longer it takes for this to play out the more painful it will be.

September 14, 2012 at 7:07 a.m.
fairmon said...

patriot1 you are right.....

Dodd/Frank was a knee jerk over reaction as was allowing bankers to also be brokers and brokers to be bankers. The speed and depth with which the drop comes will test us like we have never been tested before. We will learn how truly concerned and charitable those who insist we must take care of each other really are. Could it be their sincerity and charity is limited to other peoples and borrowed money. Did I read where Joe Biden's charitable contribution last year was a total of $300? Of course most of Romney's was to the church and I don't understand why church contributions are deductible.

September 14, 2012 at 8:40 a.m.
mymy said...

54 Days to Go!

It is still the economy/jobs/foreign policy/direction of country.

Tick, Tock, Tick, Tock!

"When the men who killed our ambassador to Libya were in the final stages of their preparation, Hillary Clinton was in the Cook Islands, being regaled by locals in traditional dress. Her seemingly endless world tour has prioritized symbolism and pageantry over substance. So too has the administration of her boss, Barack Obama, and the costs are now becoming clear.

This explains why Obama’s chief diplomat said of the Libya attack: “I asked myself—how could this happen? How could this happen in a country we helped liberate, in a city we helped save from destruction?”

Madam secretary, it is time for you and your boss to wake up and smell the global jihad."

Time to fill the "Empty Chair" in the Oval Office.

September 14, 2012 at 8:53 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

alprova,

Let make sure I got this right, in your mind the democrats have it right and the republicans have it wrong. Who'da figured?

September 14, 2012 at 8:59 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

HILLARY 2003 (screeching): I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration, somehow you're not patriotic, and we should stand up and say, "WE ARE AMERICANS AND WE HAVE A RIGHT TO DEBATE AND DISAGREE WITH ANY ADMINISTRATION!"---Hillary Clinton on George Bush.

September 14, 2012 at 9:03 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Remember. Barney Frank thought the mortgage industry, Freddie and Fannie were doing just peachy a few months before the last collapse. The majority will not see it coming until it slams them in the face.

September 14, 2012 at 9:09 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

The Organizer's mid-east policy is clearly in the dumper.

September 14, 2012 at 9:14 a.m.
fairmon said...

BRP wrote: "Accounting gimmicks, hypothecation and fiat currency got us into this mess. I would imagine you are well versed and maybe even complicit in this slime."

alpro responded with....

I'm just a squirrel trying to get a nut, just like you are. The difference between yourself and I is that 1)I do understand economics, 2)have an economics and an accounting degree, and 3)understand completely why this country's finances began unraveling in 2007.

2 does not automatically result in phrase 1 or 3 being correct. You are convinced you are right and anyone disagreeing is wrong.

September 14, 2012 at 9:26 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Alpo's fondest dream is to die in his own arms.

September 14, 2012 at 9:41 a.m.
alprova said...

BRP wrote: "Remember. Barney Frank thought the mortgage industry, Freddie and Fannie were doing just peachy a few months before the last collapse. The majority will not see it coming until it slams them in the face."

It was more than a few months, and at the time, all was humming along as it should have been.

The lending standards that were thrown out the window as part of Gramm-Leach-Blilely, combined with banking insiders who bundeled and sold hastily written mortgages to Fannie and Freddie, or to Wall Street as investments, awarded to those who purchased multiple properties without the finances to pay for those properties if they did not sell in a short amount of time, were the vast majority of loan defaults.

When the housing bubble burst, and properties devalued, flippers walked away from two, three, four, five, a dozen...properties that they had obtained mortgages from multiple sources to purchase those peoperties with the intention of profitting, but suddenly were worth less than what they were on the hook for.

I have a brother-in-law who was hot and heavy into house flipping back then, who luckily was able to sell all of his properties before the bottom fell out. He had a half-dozen multiple unit properties at one time.

Had he not sold them all, he would have been wiped out himself. As it was, he sold three at a slight profit, he took a loss on three of the properties, and paid the difference out of his pocket. He essentially zeroed out.

September 14, 2012 at 9:41 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Thanks ALPO. That ^^^^^was riveting.

September 14, 2012 at 9:50 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

News Item: “All of a sudden, he found himself surrounded by four angry Coptic women. Berating Sadek for fueling the flames of sectarian violence, the women took off their heels and began beating him over the head. "If anything happens to a Christian in Egypt," one of them shouted at him, "you'll be the reason!"

Thanks for the link, Miramar. Needless to say, the concern these women expressed is valid, but religious militants like Sadek appear to be so obsessed with their own hate agendas that they don’t have room for anything else, especially when it comes to remembering the kind and courageous things that others do:

"Egyptian Muslims act as "human shields" for Coptic Christmas mass"

"I know it might not be safe, yet it's either we live together, or we die together, we are all Egyptians."

"Such are the words one expects of great leaders on the battlefield, of politicians preparing a nation for war, of civic leaders rallying people for an inspiring cause.

But these are the words of Cherine Mohamed, a 50-year-old Egyptian housewife."



"These words became a slogan of sorts for many brave Egyptian Muslims who chose yesterday to risk their lives in the wake of the New Year's violence and attend Christmas Masses with their Coptic Christian brethren, serving as human shields against further potential acts of extremist violence on the Christian holy day."

http://onfaith.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/guestvoices/2011/01/egyptian_muslims_act_as_human_shields_for_coptic_christmas_mass.html

September 14, 2012 at 10:11 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Middle East Protests: Violence Could Spread To U.S; FBI, Homeland Security Joint Bulletin Puts First Responders On Alert..

4 more years! yeah buddy.

September 14, 2012 at 10:28 a.m.
conservative said...

Instead of The Three Rs, notice what in the mind of this Liberal loontoonist and many others, should be taught in the public schools to children - MORE POLITICS!

Add this to the list of nuclear proliferation, Heather has two mommies, aids and how to prevent it, birth control, man made global warming, all cultures are equal, evilution, social justice, etc. and it is easy to see why the graduation rate in Chicago schools is just a little over 50%!

September 14, 2012 at 10:36 a.m.
patriot1 said...

Protestors have down burned a KFC location....this is war I tell you!!! Who among you will stand with the Colonel? This is not about left wing or right wing, it's the entire breast (oops, sorry that's about Katie, wrong story)

September 14, 2012 at 10:38 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

patriot1: I bet that KFC will burn for weeks!

September 14, 2012 at 10:41 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Samuel L. Jackson's New Ad: 'Wake the F--k Up, Vote for Obama'

Sounds like Easy123 and dude_'s ilk. And no doubt a dinner guest at Alpo's house.

September 14, 2012 at 10:43 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Jack_Dennis said: "4 more years! yeah buddy."

Indeed, I'm certainly praying this is the case. I’ve had it with the reckless Bush-era-war mongering-neocon types - and this includes new knee-jerking wannabe neo-cons like Romney.

September 14, 2012 at 10:50 a.m.
Walden said...

"Indeed, I'm certainly praying this is the case. I’ve had it with the reckless Bush-era-war mongering-neocon types - and this includes new knee-jerking wannabe neo-cons like Romney."

Idiot

September 14, 2012 at 10:57 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

laurel: I wish you a speedy recovery.

September 14, 2012 at 11:42 a.m.
mymy said...

Tick, Tock, Tick, Tock

I’m waiting to see what the “ONE” will do. Will he start another war to try to make himself look strong (NOT), try to undo in some way what his bad foreign policy has caused (Can’t change + he thinks he is always right), wait for all the focus to turn on Israel (good guess). He helps enemies and turns back on friends. Why? Maybe things are going the way he wants!!!

Will we have an attack here before this current issue calms down?

He did not get that 3 a.m. phone call. Why? Would it have made a difference? No! He would have rolled over an gone back to sleep dreaming about the next fundraiser trip/party to stroke his ego.

Too many of the American people just don’t get it. Nothing is free-a price has to be paid by someone. Four more years of the “ONE’S” failed domestic/foreign policy and everybody will pay a price not just some!

It is still the economy/jobs/foreign policy/direction of country and Nation Security here and abroad!

September 14, 2012 at 12:02 p.m.
miraweb said...

MtnLaurel wrote:

"I know it might not be safe, yet it's either we live together, or we die together, we are all Egyptians."

Wonderful quote. I would more often like to hear a variation of that:

"I know it might not be safe, yet it's either we live together, or we die together, we are all Americans."

September 14, 2012 at 12:08 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Walden said to MtnLaurel: "Idiot,"

Apparently, a lot smarter than some people including your guy Romney who seems to be willing to bow and scrape the boots of any war mongering neo-con who gives him campaign dollars, visits, scratches his ego, or pays him a little attention.

Speaking of money, Walden, do you recall how much money it cost the American public as a result of the last neo-con scam? Surely, you haven’t forgotten it? And do you recall how much money this neo-con war mongering added to the federal debt? Was it 6 or 7 trillion?

But I suppose your guy Romney isn’t really concerned about the money. All things considered, he is getting off much cheaper than most of us. Like a lot of billionaires, his tax rate is only 15% and he has piggy banks in Switzerland and the Cayman Islands.

And, of course, it’s not like your guy Romney can directly relate to the human suffering that comes with wars. When it was his chance to directly experience all of the fighting, the killing, the suffering, and the dying, he declined and opted to run to France on a “religious” deferment.

September 14, 2012 at 12:39 p.m.
Walden said...

mountaindingbat - what are you even talking about? Are you feeling OK today?

September 14, 2012 at 1:06 p.m.
degage said...

Laurel, You seem to be mixed up Bush only added 4 trillion in 8yrs Obama has added 6 trillion in 3 1/2 yrs. Obamas billionares like soros and buffet? buffet is still fighting the IRS cause he doesn't want to pay his 2003 taxes. And then there is timmy that doesn't know how to use turbo tax. Romney paid all taxes due on the money invested in other countries.

And Obama went into the military? No he didn't, instead he became an activist in college. He related to his marxist professors,(his own words)and black activist. Of course that is Ok with liberals.

Bill Clinton wasn't in the military either and you don't have a problem with that.

You laurel are the poster child for double standard.

September 14, 2012 at 1:09 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

degagee: Yeah, but Clinton once had an army nurse shot out from under him in Little Rock.

September 14, 2012 at 1:20 p.m.
miraweb said...

Ah, it's a new day and there is a new RomneyGaffe(TM):

GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: Let me ask you also, you know, you talked about these voters who are still looking.  And we had a poll coming out this week that says, “By a two to one margin, voters want to see more detail from you, on your policies,” 63 percent of voters.  Are they going to get that?  Are you prepared to come out with a more specific, more detailed platform?

MITT ROMNEY: Well, actually, as you know, I published a book.  I think it’s about 150 pages–

GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: I read it.

MITT ROMNEY: –with 59 steps as to what it takes to get this economy going.

GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: But that’s not breaking through.

MITT ROMNEY: Well, people aren’t going to sit down and read a book. 

GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: One of the studies you cite by Martin Feldstein at Harvard shows that to make your math work, it could work, if you eliminate the home mortgage, charity, and state and local tax deductions for everyone earning over $100,000.  Is that what you propose?

MITT ROMNEY: No, that’s not what I propose.  And, of course, part of my plan is to stimulate economic growth.  The biggest source of getting the country to a balanced budget is not by raising taxes or by cutting spending. 

It’s by encouraging the growth of the economy.  So my tax plan is to encourage investment in growth in America, more jobs, that means more people paying taxes.

So that’s a big component of what allows us to get to a balanced budget.

GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: But his study, which you’ve cited, says it can only work if you take away those deductions for everyone earning more than $100,000.

MITT ROMNEY: Well, it doesn’t necessarily show the same growth that we’re anticipating.  And I haven’t seen his precise study.  But I can tell you that we can lower our rates–

GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, you cited the study, though.

MITT ROMNEY: Well, I said that there are five different studies that point out that we can get to a balanced budget without raising taxes on middle income people.

GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: Is $100,000 middle income?

MITT ROMNEY: No, middle income is $200,000 to $250,000 and less.  So number one, don’t reduce– or excuse me, don’t raise taxes on middle-income people, lower them.  Number two, don’t reduce the share of taxes paid by the wealthiest.  The top 5% will still pay the same share of taxes they pay today.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/09/full-transcript-george-stephanopoulos-and-mitt-romney/

September 14, 2012 at 1:27 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

White House Press Secretary Jay Carney on Friday insisted that the protests in the Middle East are not “directed at the United States” but are instead the direct result of an anti-Muslim YouTube clip.

Jay must have interned under Baghdad Bob.

September 14, 2012 at 1:30 p.m.
miraweb said...

According to the U.S. Census the top 5% starts at around $120,000. Median income is around $50,000.

U.S. Income (2009 data)

Income Level - percent of total - (% with this income or below)

Over $250,000 2% (100%)

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$150,000 - $249,000 6.2% (98.1%)

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$100,000 - $149,000 11.9% (91.9%)

.

$85,000 - $99,000 6.1 (80%)

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$50,000 - $84,000 23.5 (74.9%)

.

$35,000 - $49,000 14.1 (50.4%)

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$20,000 - $34,000 17 (36%)

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$10,000 - $19,000 11.7 (19%)

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< $9,999 7.3 (7.3%)

Income Distribution (2009) Quintile - % of aggregate income 2009 - (% of aggregate income 1970)

Lowest 20% 3.4% of income (4.1%)

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Second 20% 8.6% of income (10.8%)

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Third 20% 14.6 % of income (17.4%)

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Fourth 20% 23.2% of income (24.5%)

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Highest 20% 50.3% of income (43.3%)

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Top 5% 21.7% of income (16.6%)

(sorry for the funky formatting - the blog software isn't good with tables)

Source: http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/cats/income_expenditures_poverty_wealth/household_income.html

September 14, 2012 at 1:34 p.m.
LibDem said...

A group of Graysville Christian were in town on Thursday demonstrating for more Christianity in government. There was no rioting or violence, of course, but they were no doubt in sympathy with Muslims who want Islamic governments.

September 14, 2012 at 1:51 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Mira: I certainly forgive you for the funky formatting.

September 14, 2012 at 1:53 p.m.
raygunz said...

according to a memorandum from the Marine Corps congressional liaison, Major Alex Cross:The Ambassador did not impose restrictions on weapons or weapons status on the Marine Corps Embassy Security Group (MCESG) detachment.

September 14, 2012 at 1:59 p.m.
mtngrl said...

"So Romney does have a detailed plan but the Libtartds feel that it’s his fault the voters are to stupid or lazy to acquaint themselves with it."

That is not what it said at all... if you had posted the next couple of lines there is the statement:

"One of the studies you cite by Martin Feldstein at Harvard shows that to make your math work, it could work, if you eliminate the home mortgage, charity, and state and local tax deductions for everyone earning over $100,000. Is that what you propose?"

People have read his plan which is why everyone correctly says there are no details. He does not say what deductions he is talking about to offset his outrageous cuts.

Further analysis from those who have read his 59 point plan: http://factcheck.org/2012/08/romneys-impossible-tax-promise/

September 14, 2012 at 2:20 p.m.
miraweb said...

If Romney doesn't get that it is his job to explain himself clearly as a candidate, it doesn't bode well for his ability to do so when it really matters.

TQQ - I would hope you would able to draw your own conclusions. The income in that table is household, not individual.

Romney's "top 5%" is way below the $250,000 mark. He is saying that if you make more than about $120,000 that your tax burden will stay the same - just with fewer loopholes and more capital gains reductions - except that he doesn't know that the top 5% starts at $120,000.

He isn't displaying a good understanding of either economics or the reality that most of the country lives in.

The middle class could be reasonably defined as $35,000 - $100,000 with the top 20% designated as wealthy.

YMMV.

September 14, 2012 at 2:22 p.m.
miraweb said...

There are always Rules of Engagement. Kind of how the military works, actually.

September 14, 2012 at 2:36 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Degage said: "Laurel, You seem to be mixed up Bush only added 4 trillion in 8yrs."

Hmmmm. . . I believe you’ve missed the main point, Degage. (Sigh)

The point is: these war-mongering neo-con types – along with neo-con wannabes like Romney - are a hazard to everyone’s health and well being. If you doubt this, I suggest you reflect a bit on what happened the last time we had a president who advocated neo-con policies.

September 14, 2012 at 2:39 p.m.
raygunz said...

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/egypt-embassy-marines-live-ammo

Go read it for yourself.

What "troops on the ground" asserted no ammo?

September 14, 2012 at 2:45 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Walden asked: "Are you feeling OK today?"

Yes, I’m just deeply concerned about a U.S. presidential candidate who hires the world’s angriest neo-con to be his foreign policy advisor. Know what I mean? America has been there and done that. God forbid a neo-con wannabe like Mitt Romney should take us there again.

September 14, 2012 at 3 p.m.
miraweb said...

Still waiting for some details on Romney's Magic Economic Growth Mushrooms.

It is becoming clear that Romney doesn't consider himself a "details" guy - or a "facts" guy - or a "plans" kind of guy.

September 14, 2012 at 3:04 p.m.
miraweb said...

Publishing a paper only matters if there is actual information in the document.

The fact checkers are finding two problems: Romney's numbers are not mathematically possible. Romney has offered no details in how to make his proposals actually work.

Very qualified economists have reviewed what he has put out there and they judge it as a really big question mark.

Romney is offering slogans, not plans.

"Romney has said he would offset the loss of personal income tax revenue (estimated at $360 billion a year by the Tax Policy Center) by reducing tax deductions and credits. And he has said he would do this while making sure that those at the top keep paying the “same share of the tax burden they’re paying now.”

"But he has steadfastly refused to say which tax preferences would be cut or reduced. He has pointed to the revenue-neutral proposals for rate-cutting put forth by the deficit commission as evidence that what he proposes is possible in theory, but those proposals pay for the cuts largely by taxing capital gains at the higher rates that apply to ordinary income, a measure Romney has specifically ruled out.

"So Romney has failed to produce evidence that what he promises is possible. And we judge that the weight of evidence and expert opinion is clear — it’s not possible."

http://factcheck.org/2012/08/romneys-impossible-tax-promise/

September 14, 2012 at 3:25 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Tu_quoque rants: No … I think we exactly got the point.It was that you lied your ass off about how much the wars cost and were called out for doing so. You’re just not honest enough to accept your error.

Huh? Exactly where is this lie, Tu_quoque? For the record, you'll find a complete text of my original post to Walden below:

"Apparently, a lot smarter than some including your guy Romney who seems to be willing to bow and scrape the boots of any war mongering neo-con who gives him money, visits, or pays him a little attention.

Speaking of money, Walden, do you recall how much money it cost the American public as a result the last neo-con scam? Surely, you haven’t forgotten it. And do you recall how much money it added to the federal debt? Was it 6 or 7 trillion?

But I suppose your guy Romney isn’t really concerned about the money. All things considered, he is getting off much cheaper than most of us. Like a lot of billionaires, his tax rate is only 15% and he has piggy banks in Switzerland and the Cayman Islands.

And, of course, it’s not like your guy Romney can directly relate to the human suffering that comes with wars. When it was his chance to directly experience all of the fighting, the killing, the suffering, and the dying, he declined and opted to run to France on a “religious” deferment." [MountainLaurel]

September 14, 2012 at 3:32 p.m.
mtngrl said...

"By mentioning war mongering one has to assume that you were talking about the cost of the wars."

you know what happens when you ass/u/me...

war·mon·ger   [wawr-muhng-ger, -mong-]
noun a person who advocates, endorses, or tries to precipitate war.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/warmonger

nothing about cost at all in the term

September 14, 2012 at 4:19 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

laurel: who checks the facts checkers? All partisan.

September 14, 2012 at 4:21 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

"Tu_quoque said: Even if you were referring to the amount of total debt that Bush added you are still in loon land."

Please, Tu_quoque. You of all people should recognize sarcasm when you see it. As for reality, George W. Bush took office in January 2001. By the end of 2003, the federal debt had already soared to over 6 trillion - and we all know the reason why. It was the first time in American history that the U.S. government cut taxes as it went to war. As for Romney, his choice of friends along with his neo-con rhetoric tells me that he's not any brighter than George W. Bush.

September 14, 2012 at 4:30 p.m.
mtngrl said...

Jack, The only reason fact checkers are partisan is because the facts themselves are partisan. Its just an excuse for the right to try to change facts.

As for Romney's Bush-era neo-con foreign policy advisors here is a list of them:

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/09/whos-advising-mitt-romney-on-foreign-policy/

September 14, 2012 at 4:46 p.m.
mtngrl said...

Actual photos of Willard "Chickenhawk" Romney protesting FOR the draft while of eligible age, just before he went to France instead of serving himself.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2083002/Mitt-Romney-19-demonstrated-favour-Vietnam-War-draft.html

Obama was only 5 at the time and the draft no longer existed by the time he came of age.

September 14, 2012 at 4:55 p.m.
mymy said...

Ambassador Chris Stevens did not have a Marine detail in Benghazi, Libya. But White House Senior Advisor and Obama confidante Valerie Jarrett has a full Secret Service detail on vacation in Martha’s Vineyard, according to Democratic pollster Pat Caddell.

That’s the pathetic foreign policy of the Obama administration, says Caddell today in an exclusive interview with Breitbart News. “Jarrett seems to have a 24 hour, around the clock detail, with five or six agents full time,” Caddell explains. “The media has been completely uninterested. We don’t provide security for our ambassador in Libya, but she needs a full Secret Service security detail. And nobody thinks there’s anything wrong with this. And nobody in the press will ask. What kind of slavish stoogery are they perpetrating here?

“This country has reached the point of absurdity. There are people dead because we don’t have security details for them. But she’s privileged to have a full Secret Service detail on vacation?”

Caddell points out that Americans are already unhappy with President Obama on foreign policy aside from the killing of Osama Bin Laden. Caddell, along with Republican pollster John McLaughlin, runs Secure America, a nonpartisan advocacy group. “We’ve just finished two polls coming out in the field today,” says Caddell, “but we already know that people feel strongly about Iran; they feel strongly about the administration’s policy with regard to Islamic extremists. They don’t like the Obama administration’s handling of these issues. And this election won’t only be about the economy. The American people aren’t stupid. They can walk and chew gum at the same time.”

Caddell does reserve heavy criticism for the Republican establishment, which he believes has ignored foreign policy issues for far too long. “When three quarters of the American people believe Iran will give nuclear weapons to terrorists, you can see that Americans care about this issue. And people overwhelmingly believe that Obama’s sanctions policies will not work. The pronounced minority who disagree with those positions seem to be centered in the mainstream media – and ground zero seems to be at NBC and MSNBC.”

September 14, 2012 at 5:03 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

The left is all abuzz about the "anti-muslim" film. (which had precious little to do with attacks)...I don't remember any condemnation of Bill (c-word) Maher when he presented his totally Christian bashing offering of Religulous. Curious, no?

September 14, 2012 at 5:26 p.m.
raygunz said...

Jack_Dennis said...

The left is all abuzz about the "anti-muslim" film. (which had precious little to do with attacks)

Don't get out much, eh jd?

September 14, 2012 at 5:38 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Mtngirl said: "Actual photos of Willard "Chickenhawk" Romney protesting FOR the draft while of eligible age, just before he went to France instead of serving himself."

Wow! Thanks for that link, MtnGirl. Those early photos of Mitt left me sort of speechless. Did you note those snappy white slacks Romney was wearing in the first photo?

You know until Mitt Romney came along I had always thought that a “missionary” deferment involved individuals who were conscientious objectors of warfare, but I guess not.

And what a guy Romney was in his youth. Clearly, a guy on the move – preppy pro-draft protestor to missionary work and then finally to Gekko advocacy where greed is good.

September 14, 2012 at 5:52 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

gunz: How's that?

September 14, 2012 at 5:53 p.m.
raygunz said...

jd,where did you get the idea that the "anti-muslim" film. (which had precious little to do with attacks)?

what credible news outlet alleges that??

September 14, 2012 at 6:07 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

gunz: I'd say maybe 1 half of 1% of Americans had seen the film......Muslims, less than that. Pure calculated anti-american jihad. 911, get it? Does it serve your agenda better to blame the film?

September 14, 2012 at 6:14 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

BTW, gunz. What credible news outlet would you suggest?

September 14, 2012 at 6:19 p.m.
mymy said...

jr: right on

September 14, 2012 at 6:47 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Comical to watch tu_ get more and more vicious as the election approaches and 'Robbie Douglas' (thanks for the link, mtngrl) slips in the battleground states. Hell, she(?) even ceased with her(?) Bold Titles for a while today, when the gloves came off of her(?) whorled, scrotum textured fingers.

September 14, 2012 at 7:14 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Jack_Dennis said: “Pure calculated anti-american jihad. 911, get it? Does it serve your agenda better to blame the film?”

I’m sure there are some politico/religious M.E. zealots who are using the film to peddle their political agendas and fan the hate flames, but we have just as many politico/religious zealots in the U.S. peddling their hate agendas and fanning the flames, including the so called “Christian” producers of the film. Clearly, the only reason this film was produced was to fan hate flames.

Mitt Romney’s good pal Pat Robertson is another fine example of a hate peddler and flame fanner. When Robertson isn’t busy condemning Presbyterians, Methodists, and Episcopalians, he is busy exploiting disasters. As I recall, he tried to link Hurricane Katrina and terrorist attacks to legalized abortion. And then shortly after the 2010 earthquake in Haiti, there was his “pastoral” discussion where he told us that the Haitians had made a "pact with the devil" and have been "cursed" ever since.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-12017-504083.html

September 14, 2012 at 7:26 p.m.
rolando said...

More indicators of what our response to the Muslim attacks against our embassies/consulates will be:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/14/white-house-asks-youtube-to-review-anti-islam-film/

Just to ensure the trailer is up to YouTube's high standards, you understand. The iron fist inside the glove of "request" is to sic the IRS dogs on them if they don't remove the trailer.

Bottom line -- You wanna attack a religion, pick the Christians. Hands off the Muslims.

September 14, 2012 at 7:27 p.m.
alprova said...

Oh..My...Goodness. Wow!! Mtngrl, that link was awesome. What an embarrassing bunch of bones Mitt Romeny has in his wall-to-wall closet.

I had no idea that Mitt was a 60's pro-draft protester. I'm sure that people who run across that particular page will re-think putting that man in the White House.

The man has changed sides on so many issues over the years. There is no way anyone can depend on a thing the man says to be truthful or a reflection of the man's current state of mind.

Sooner or later, his tax returns are going to be outed. That will be the nail in his coffin, but he'll do just fine, for he has enough money to last him the rest of his life.

The real question then becomes, will he be able to buy his way into Heaven? Don't think so.

September 14, 2012 at 8:08 p.m.
dude_abides said...

alprova... You may be wrong about Mitt's eternal salivation.

What Mitt believes:

Humans may become Gods for other worlds as God is God for this world. Worthy Mormons may become gods to create, rule over and receive worship from their own worlds some day. They will do this exclusively as the god or the team of gods for that world or that set of worlds (like the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are for this world or this set of worlds), and thus the God of this world will not perform those functions there (Ibid; D&C 76:50-8 and 95, 132:15-23, 29, and 37; The Latter-day Saint Woman: Basic Manual for Women, Part A, Lesson 10: Eternal Marriage; and Gospel Principles, 302 [1997 edition]).

http://mormoninfo.org/

September 14, 2012 at 8:43 p.m.
fairmon said...

Is it true that one of the activist groups will be handing out rose colored glasses at rallies between now and voting day?

September 14, 2012 at 9:26 p.m.
raygunz said...

When Mitt says "God",he may be referring to an unknown number of deceased Mormons???Wow, who knew?? Thinking about getting myself some of that ol'time Mormon religion! Just imagine,I could be a God!!!

September 14, 2012 at 9:26 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Surely winning the Presidential election would put Mitt one step closer to "God." If only F.D.R had been a Mormon! Chickamauga would be a "god" dammed lake!

September 14, 2012 at 9:32 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

You tolerant lefties not too tolerant of religions, huh? (except for Islam)

September 14, 2012 at 9:36 p.m.
raygunz said...

JonRoss ,thanks for the bigotry. We all needed a dose of that right now!(NOT)

September 14, 2012 at 9:52 p.m.
raygunz said...

JonRoss,bigotry will not be allowed on MY planet,so you're off,sorry.

September 14, 2012 at 10:14 p.m.
raygunz said...

Former Republican presidential candidate Michelle Bachmann on Friday asserted that the recent attacks on American embassies in Libya and Egypt were part of a plan to bring Sharia law to the United States,” the Minnesota congresswoman warned in a speech at the Values Voter Summit.

Your type people john?

September 14, 2012 at 10:20 p.m.
raygunz said...

JonRoss,everybody is not crazy.If I may,I invite you to follow this link,http://www.libyaherald.com/?p=14316, just something else to consider.

September 14, 2012 at 10:50 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Jon "Silverdale" Ross said... "dudebidet says "Surely winning the Presidential election would put Mitt one step closer to "God." If only F.D.R had been a Mormon! Chickamauga would be a "god" dammed lake!"

Bigotry you say gaygunz ?"

How many of the world's religions believe you can 'pietize' your way into being an actual "god?" You're okay with trashing an entire religion because of a violent minority, but you would put in the White House a man who thinks that being God is his destiny. Thankfully, you're just another powerless slob with a Honey Boo Boo mentality.

September 14, 2012 at 11:22 p.m.
alprova said...

JonRoss wrote: "Q: Wanna hear a joke?"

"A: Muslim Women's Rights."

Do you ever read your Bible, or do you even have one?

If the Bible was followed to the letter, women would not have very many rights in this country either.

Genesis 3:16, 1 Corinthians 11:3, 1 Corinth. 14:34, Ephesians 5:22, Exodus 21:7-11, Deuteronomy 22:13-21

More:

http://www.biblicalnonsense.com/chapter10.html

September 15, 2012 at 12:08 a.m.
miraweb said...

Dude -while that particular mormon factoid is fairly accurate a lot of what is on mormoninfo.com is pure bosh.

And coincidentally That site is a production of Steve Klein ,a movie producer and inciter of riots of recent note. You may have heard of the guy.

September 15, 2012 at 1:36 a.m.
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