published Monday, September 17th, 2012

5-at-10: Good, bad and awful from college football and more

Where do we begin on this Monday of much-reflection?

From the "Talks too much" studios of course.

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    Florida Gators wide receiver Quinton Dunbar (1) is tackled by Tennessee Volunteers linebacker Herman Lathers (34) in the fourth quarter of an NCAA college football game on Saturday, Sept. 15, 2012, in Knoxville, Tenn. (AP Photo/Wade Payne)
    Photo by Associated Press /Chattanooga Times Free Press.

Wonder, wonder everywhere and now we stop to think

You like the literary play on words Spy? We knew you would. Well, three weeks into the college football season, there are questions everywhere. Well, everywhere other than Tuscaloosa, where the nation's best team lives.

Where do we start?

Do we start in Knoxville, where the hopes of a proud fan base and the eyes of a nation returned to watch a fourth-quarter beatdown from Florida?

Do we start start in Fayetteville, where the Game of the Century for Arkansas was derailed before kickoff when Tyler Wilson showed up in street clothes and Alabama punished — and punished may not be a strong enough verb — the Razorbacks for 60 minutes? (You can argue that this was derailed by Bobby Petrino on April's Fools Day, but these Hogs are at a crossroad after a letting the Tide walk in and hang a 52-0 whipping, after which Wilson said his teammates quit. There were empty seats before the game and a ton of empty seats after halftime. Of course, when John L. Smith, the Arkansas interim coach who replaced Petrino, told CBS reporter Tracy Wolfson at the end of the second quarter, "We need to keep doing what we're doing," it hardly inspired confidence. Arkansas was down 24-0 at that point and pretty much kept doing what they were doing.)

Do we start in the Pac-12, where Stanford shocked unbeaten USC for the fourth consecutive year and handed the title-hunting Trojans a tough loss to handle and even tougher to explain?

Do we start in Auburn, where the Tigers needed a Hail Mary on the final play of the first half and a field goal in overtime to escape with a 31-28 win over Louisiana Monroe? (Which is worse, that the Tigers paid the Skyhawks more than $1 million to come to Jordan-Hare and scare the mustache off Brian VanGorder or that every Auburn fan we know is simply happy to have a win?)

Let's start with what we know (non-UT division):

We know Alabama will be at least a two-touchdown favorite every Saturday between now and the LSU showdown.

We know that the nation's top two teams are the same teams that were viewed as the top two last year. Change it up all you want — four-team playoffs, eight-team playoffs, old-school bowls, whatever — to win it all someone is going to have to beat LSU or Alabama. Period.

We know that Georgia has talent, and as the defensive pieces start coming of the suspended list, the Bulldogs appear to be a team getting better by the week.

We know that Notre Dame is back in the national discussion with an impressive 20-3 win at then-No. 10-ranked Michigan State. And the Irish did it with a dazzling defensive effort (when was the last time that was said). And we're officially on the Manti Te'o bandwagon. The Irish linebacker had 12 tackles, busted up two passes recovered a fumble an recorded a sack in the win. Did we mention that last week, T'eo's grandmother and girlfriend passed away last week, and Te'o persevered and thrived amid the pain?

We know that two coaches who are relatively new at power programs had maybe the most enjoyable Sundays in a while. For Notre Dame coach Brian Kelly and Florida's Will Muschamp, the air seemed a little cleaner, the birds seemed a little cheerier and they each got to experience the type of calm and peace like if they were in a place where the beer flows like wine. Where beautiful women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano. We're talking about a little place called Aspen.

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    Tennessee linebacker Herman Lathers, left, and the Vols will try to regroup after Saturday's loss to Florida in Knoxville.
    Photo by Associated Press /Chattanooga Times Free Press.

Rocky times

The questions we had Friday about your Tennessee Vols — are they ready, can they handle the moment, is this the signature win for which the program has starved — were answered clearly. And the answer was a clear and resounding no.

And to make matters worse, the Vols lost their second-best defensive player when Brian Randolph hurt his knee.

It's been roughly 36 hours since the haze has started to lift since the Gators completed their 37-20 win over Tennessee by scoring the last 24 points. Let's take a point/counterpoint approach and see what you think:

Point: The Vols fan base is aching for success. Dude, that joint was hopping and the scenes in and around Knoxville were overwhelming. On that point it was a good night to have a slew of star-studded recruits in the house

Counterpoint: Hey, fans are free to react however they feel like they need to. They bought a ticket and as long as you're not cussing on saying something that is family inappropriate, know yourself out. That said, the boos that cascaded through the fourth quarter at an ever-emptying Neyland Stadium are heard by the players, fans, coaches and potential recruits. We know the boos are an emotional response to a negative situation in which people are deeply invested. But you realize that those boos actually add to the problem, right? And if you think you're booing the coaching staff and not the players, the future recruits do not know the difference. And if they do know the difference, they have to ask themselves, "How much longer is that coaching staff going to be there?"

Point: Tyler Bray has the talent to be an NFL quarterback.

Counterpoint: How many NFL starting quarterbacks had zero big wins in their college career?

Point: Tennessee lost this game as much as Florida won it. And while that may not seem like a good thing, at least Tennessee was in a place to compete. In recent years, games that UT lost, the outcome was so one-sided, the second half was about running out the clock. The Vols had their shots and landed a few.

Counterpoint: Next fall, this game will be in Gainesville and the Gators will be a preseason Top-10 pick. These Vols are young, but these Gators are really young and just won by three scores in Knoxville.

Point: Derek Dooley has improved the talent in his two years and three games in Knoxville.

Counterpoint: The Vols are still razor-edge thin, and the secondary is far too accommodating to guests.

Point: This UT team is more competitive and complete than any since 2007.

Counterpoint: If Bray, Justin Hunter and Cordarrelle Patterson leave, this will be the most talented team for the foreseeable future, too.

So what does this mean other than headaches and question marks? It's hard to know, but on Friday afternoon, there was an excitement, a buzz and a promise with Tennessee football. Today, we don't know if that was wasted emotion or misguided hope. We do know that Florida has won eight straight over the Vols, and this may be the most painful of those.

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    San Diego Chargers tight end Dante Rosario makes a touchdown catch as Tennessee Titans free safety Michael Griffin defends during the first quarter of an NFL football game Sunday, Sept. 16, 2012, in San Diego.
    Photo by Associated Press /Chattanooga Times Free Press.

NFL lessons learned

We made some money — scratch that, made some entertainment memories — on Sunday's games. Week 2 of the NFL season was revealing.

We'll have our power poll after tonight's powerhouse showdown between Peyton Manning's Broncos and the Atlanta Falcons, but here is one 5-at-10's view of an 1/8 of the NFL season:

The good: The San Francisco 49ers are good. RGIII is good. In fact, the future of the game with the bevy of young quarterback talent — RGIII, Andrew Luck, Cam Newton, et al. — is good. But most of all, the NFL's balance of power is good. There will be all of six teams at 2-0 after the second weekend of the season. That means 20 of the league's clubs are 1-1. The salary cap and the adjusted schedule work people. And they work to keep franchises some what balanced.

The bad: The officiating is rough. Missed calls, the over-used defensive pass interference, the lengthy discussions and even more lengthy reviews. The NFL is apparently willing to sacrifice an $8 billion industry for a few million at the table with the NFL's best officials. And here's the thing, these guys are not even the all-stars from college conferences. To make matters worse, at least one official was pulled from a crew this weekend because of photos of him online in full Saints paraphernalia. And he was slated to work the Saints-Panthers game Sunday.

The ugly: It would be easy to pick Josh Morgan, the Redskins receiver who threw the ball in frustration and got a 15-yard penalty during Washington's final drive looking for a tying field goal. (Although he threw the ball at Cortland Finnegan, and while that does not absolve Morgan, it at least explains part of it. Cortland Finnegan is the NFL's Eddie Haskel and could get under the skin of a pair of alligator shoes.) No, we'll give this to Giants coach Tom Coughlin, who showed his tuckus during the postgame handshake with Tampa coach Greg Schiano after the Bucs rushed the final Giants' snap during a kneel-down situation in New York's rallying 41-34 win. Coughlin was upset and felt it was a dirty play. First off, there is no dirty play if a team is trying to win the game, and that's what the Bucs did. Secondly, you need to take that to midfield and show your tuckus in the brightest light possible? Tom, you're wrong and you know it. And if you are worried about someone getting hurt, you're in the wrong BID-ness.

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This and that

— The Braves swept the Nationals this weekend in Atlanta. The Braves are now 5.5 back of the Nats in the NL East, and as our ace columnist Mark Wiedmer tells us here http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2012/sep/17/mlb-managers-would-make-wildcard-different/, winning the division has huge dividends here. And the recent surge have the Braves seven clear of the second wildcard spot with 15 games to play.

— Congrats to Tiger, who had Florida 28-17, for winning the UT-Florida challenge.

— Apologies to anyone who bet with the Fab 4 picks last week. We went 1-4 with four favorites that took out-right loses. Wow. Not good. That leaves us 9-6 against the spread, and re-examining our plan. In truth, we got away from the ultimate goal, and that's picking winning bets rather than picking winning teams. There's a difference. And we'll do better. (That said, there was some money to be made Sunday in the NFL, and until further notice, bet against the Titans.)

— How about Brad Keselowski? The Polish Pole-Sitter won the first leg of the 10-race Chase and holds the points lead. He has finished in the top 10 in 10 of the last 11 races. We like the cut of this kid's gib.

— Because we have a strange vibe or something, we notice and remember things like this. Today is s grand slam day for birthdays. Consider this: Four of the greatest in their field were born on this day — Jimmie Johnson (1975), Alex Ovechkin (1985), Phil Jackson (1945) and the TV Show M*ASH (1973).

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Today's question(s)

Your college football team is 25 percent through the regular season.

What's your feeling this morning?

If you're an Alabama fan, feel free to gloat.

If you're a Georgia fan, feel free to share your cautious optimism.

If you're a Mocs fan, feel free to toss out how big this week is with Appy State waiting on Saturday.

If you're a Vols fan, well, we'd like to hear what you got.

Feel free to feel free.

Discuss.

about Jay Greeson...

Jay was named the Sports Editor of the Times Free Press in 2003 and started with the newspaper in May 2002 as the Deputy Sports Editor. He was born and raised in Smyrna, Ga., and graduated from Auburn University before starting his newspaper career in 1997 with the Newnan (Ga.) Times Herald. Stops in Clayton and Henry counties in Georgia and two years as the Sports Editor of the Marietta (Ga.) Daily Journal preceded Jay’s ...

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jomo11 said...

Jay- now that is readily apparent that UTK will likely lose at least 5 games this year. Nationally the media is talking about the potential firing of Dooley. my question is, do you think Hart wants his "own man" and will help Hart appeal to the fanbase by firing Dooley at year-end ? and who do you see as replacement ? Skip Holtz, Kirby Smart, etc, , ,

also will their be a similar warning from Knoxville police about fans storming the field after the Akron game ?

September 17, 2012 at 10:15 a.m.
chet123 said...

Why would anyone keep during the same thing looking for different results...ha ha ha ha ha....if i knew the last 20years the team that ran the ball won the game.......so somebody tell me why U,tennessee elect to throw the ball on every down hmmmmmmm? How dumb can you get????? this is why Saban and Alabama is winning and Dooley(is have always been a losing coach)and Tennessee will have a losing reason again!!!

wheres johnny Major????? Someone who is a proven fighter!!!!....All Tennessee have are wimps.........Tyler bray is just a inflated quarterback......

hes below average!

September 17, 2012 at 10:37 a.m.
ordinaryguy said...

I said before the season started that the beloved Vols are a .500 team at best...Dooley is a competent assistant but when your only experience as a head coach is at La Tech, which were never world beaters...the faithfull were excited just because of his last name, thinking that would cure the ills that actually started during the final Fulmer years...they probably do beat Akron, but you can guarantee losses to Miss St, Georgia, Alabama, South Carolina, Missouri, and Vandy

September 17, 2012 at 10:46 a.m.
Livn4life said...

OK I am confused 5er. How can Will Muschamp be 2-0 against the Vols and still be one of two coaches in the third game of their third year? I thought 2-0 meant he'd only been there two years. Still he is 2-0! Notre Dame has yet to really play anyone but I know the Damer faithful are watering at the mouth.

I am a Vol Fan 4 Life:To invert the words of Dennie Green, lo those years ago, "They are NOT who we thought they are!" This could be said of both Tennessee and Florida. We still do not know about this UT team. I suspected they'd underwhelm when GameDay showed up but as always the less hype desiring approach gets yelled down. Would it have made any difference? I doubt in the outcome but it might have made the young Vols be more focused on what they really had to do instead of what so many were already saying they were going to do. If the team has character, they regroup and ARE better when GA, SC, AL games roll around. I do not expect they will win any of those but hope they show some character. If that occurs, they can beat Miss. State though with much difficulty and Missouri by virtue of being at...oh yeah, the FL game was at home too. It is just too early to say for me even if I still drink the orange juice pretty steadily.

Happy, Happy, Happy for the Braves, I hope they keep it going.

NFL-Big, even nice("It's just a Nice Surprise Clark!"), surprise to see New England and the Jets fall on the second week of the season. I must say shock is the word for what Seattle did to the Dallas Cowboys. That Finnegan(beginagain)fiasco that cost the 'Skins was sad but typical. Yes the 9ers are gooooood! I have mixed feelings about the Buccs ramming Eli on that last play. I get the "we're trying to win" gig but it smells of roughhouse overplay. Now when was there ever any inkling of anything beyond the most honorable intentions of NFL football players? Should Coughlin have made such a big deal? "I don't think so Tim."(Al on Tool Time) But still it is perceived as cheapy to hit people who are giving themselves up. Now hold off the hate speech on how tough a sport the NFL is or SHUT UP about trying to protect the head injuries!

In all the instances, win or lose, poor officiating, USC not getting it done with a team which many thought could rival...some other team; Life and Sports go on and so; let's get on with it!

September 17, 2012 at 10:47 a.m.
BIspy4 said...

Yes, 5, I do love the literary intro. Way to class up the jernt.

One, I warned you about Brian VanGorder. Once a tool, always a tool. Overrated like a fancy French restaurant (undercooked small portions are not my idea of eatin'. And this from a guy who is president of a local sushi club. But I digress....)

Two, I warned you about Logan Thomas. He's. Just. Not. That. Good. And he was right bad against Pittsburgh, college version.

Three, Tyler Bray has no signature wins in college. How many did John Elway have? Not that Bray is Elway or even in his strata, but I can't remember any big Elway wins at Stanford. In fact, his most memorable game is a loss. Wasn't the band on the field?

Four, I still hate Bobby Valentine. And even though the Irish (and the Spy loves him some Notre Dame football, college version) are 3-0, I still can't stand Brian Kelly.

One more thing, 5 ... how many sideline shots of Rob Ryan were there yesterday as the Seattle Seahawks of all people dissected the Dallas Cowboys defense?

September 17, 2012 at 10:58 a.m.
fechancellor said...

Ten Ring, great game seen from awesome seats at Turner Field Friday night. It was nice to have the opportunity to bid so long and farewell to Chipper, while it was time peer into the future on the strength of Kris Medlen's 13 strikeouts.

On to Arkansas, as Sammy Davis, Jr. was wont to say, "Coach Smith, you're beautiful man. Keep on doing what you're doing." Smith's comment ranks right up there with the Fulmer bromide, "We're working like heck."

Finishing in Knoxville with some counter points.

How can anyone overthrow Justin Hunter?

I hope Dickey now knows how deadly a couple of 3 passes and out is to the defense.

Just like last year, the offensive line could not sustain a rushing attack. Reggie Cobb and Chuck Webb couldn't make 600 yards behind this bunch.

Just like last year, the defense was gassed in second half.

September 17, 2012 at 11:13 a.m.
jgreeson said...

Jomo —

We think there are three for sure losses left on the UT schedule with Missouri and Miss. State as toss-ups. Now, that sentence in and of itself is reason for some Johnny Vols Fans to have had their fill with Mr. Dooley.

And no, we don't think the Knoxville Police will have to worry as much about storming the field.

Chet123 —

Excellent question about doing the same thing over and over. As for the running game, the stats prove your point, but this version of the Vols is not going to beat good opponents running it 40 times. Their strength in throwing it. Now fire away that building around a quarterback who is three games into his junior year and still looking for a win of note.

OG —

Too many schools on the "guaranteed" losses list. UT may lose to each of them, but Mississippi State, Missouri and Vandy will each be spreads of 7 or less (as long as there are no injuries between then and now).

Livn(Large) —

We blended paragraphs without completing our thought on the third-year guys. We'll correct it shortly.

But, do we invert the words of Dennis Green and say these Vols are not who they thought we were (last week) or are they who we thought they were before N.C. State — a team that is a little better than pretty good and at times can look pretty bad?

And yes, Life and Sports go on. As do the Metro and BID-ness sections and the rest of the newspaper. Thanks for noticing.

Spy —

We're still backing BVG. Lot of the issue there were left and he's trying to repair through the despair. That said, we're the eternal AU optimist. Heck, we even believe Auburn can cover the 18 at home against LSU this week. (OK, we really don't, we're just trying to talk ourselves into it.)

You get Logan Thomas. He's dead to us.

Different time, then and now. This is today's NFL, where the big-boys play for big-stakes about 99 percent of the time in college. Heck, Elway went to Stanford for baseball and family as he did for football.

— 5-at-10

September 17, 2012 at 11:32 a.m.
chet123 said...

I FEEL SORRY FOR THE TENNESSEE FANS WHO THINK THE FOOTBALL PROGRAM WILL GET BETTER UNDER DOOLEY........I'M EMBARRASS ABOUT THE WAY TENNESSEE HAS BEEN PLAYING FOOTBALL....AND IT KEEP GETTING BADDER....THE TENNESSEE FAITHFULS HAVE LOST THEIR BACKBONE....THEY NO LONGER HAVE A SPINE......

AUBURN AND ALABAMA WOULD NOT PUT UP WITH THIS INCOMPETENCE.

THE CULTURE NEED TO CHANGE IN KNOXVILLE

September 17, 2012 at 11:32 a.m.
jgreeson said...

From friend of the show StuckinKent —

My computer rankings spit out a brand new Top Ten heading into this weekend....they are still very fluid- as they should be at this time of year.

1) Alabama 2) Georgia 3) LSU 4) Stanford 5) USC 6) Florida State 7) Notre Dame 8) Clemson 9) Florida 10) Ohio State

Plenty of oddities there (USC ranked #5? No Oregon? No Oklahoma?) but I think it kind of works. There are still preseason numbers involved in these rankings (they will be out following the September 29 games), which helps USC. Oregon's out of conference schedule has been atrocious. Oklahoma has just been average.

I love Georgia being so high. Very interesting. I think Alabama, Georgia, and LSU are the top three teams in the country. They really are. Oregon may be there, but we'll find out more Saturday when they play Arizona. Stanford, Florida State, Clemson, and Notre Dame could all be in the mix too. But it seems to me like those are the nine best teams, pretty clearly at this point. Yes, a Big 12 school will get in there eventually (West Virginia, Oklahoma, Kansas State). But they aren't there yet.

Best five games this coming weekend: 1) Clemson at Florida State 2) Kansas State at Oklahoma 3) Michigan at Notre Dame 4) Arizona at Oregon 5) Oregon State at UCLA Bonus: Missouri at South Carolina- if Franklin plays, he presents challenges to that Gamecocks defense that they have not seen yet.

September 17, 2012 at 11:35 a.m.
Blueoval said...

Livn, the Dennis Green quote is so appropriate. I too am a TN fan. Our offensive line got eaten up during the second half. I could also say the same thing about the defensive line and linebackers as well considering the yards FL was gaining on their sweeps. FL’s ends were running around our tackles like their feet were glued to the turf. Richardson even flagged for lining up in the backfield and for a third straight game had a false start penalty called on him. I don’t know if he forgets the snap count or that he realizes what’s coming at him is quicker than he is.

Ok, I vented and now I feel a little better, not much but a little.

Eli Manning lit it up during the 4th quarter which brings me to this. If you were down and had to pick one QB to play the fourth quarter for you, who would it be? Eli sure seems calm and gets it done when the game is on the line.

September 17, 2012 at 11:41 a.m.
JonathanMCook said...

Interesting weekend for football to say the least. I have one friend (actually, more associate) whose an Alabama fan but is an actual alumni as well. During the game he wrote on his Facebook wall "Yes Arkansas, you may have another!"

This was definitely a reality check for a lot of programs as to where they currently stand.

I did watch the Louisiana-Monroe/Auburn game on ESPN3 and these warhawks appear to be the real deal. While I don't see a close game against Baylor, they are definitely not the sissy boys Tennessee use to beat up on year in and year out during homecoming week. Since I own a ULM T-shirt (stayed overnight in Monroe a couple a times during roadtrips home from Chattanooga back to Dallas), I already have jumped on the bandwagon before Dr. B's fat butt hogs all the backseat space.

Next, I watched SMU get UTCed by A&M so badly that it was not even funny. As imagined, the Aggie faithful outnumbered the "Bronie Bregade" (my new nickname for them) 3 to 1. But even they started leaving towards the middle of the 3rd quarter.

Tennessee vs. Florida: And I thought the tackling UTC did at Jacksonville State was god-aweful. I actually switched over to another game by the start of the fourth quarter.

Cowboys: Watched up until the fourth quarter. The only thing uglier than Seattle's new uniforms was the butterfingers on all the receiving line. So no "blame Romo" this week. And the Seahawks get to celebrate in their new uniforms by cleaning up car wrecks in the side of the freeway.

Appy-State gets Alabama-ed by the Citadel. What the (blank??).

I hope Frierson is right that the Moc offense have more tricks than what we saw during the Glenville practice. Because a wounded animal..well, you know the rest.

Ironically, UTC played the Citadel next Saturday. So ANY footage of that game that Huesman and the staff can get their hands on will be like killing two birds with one stone.

Look'n forward to it.

September 17, 2012 at 11:43 a.m.
chet123 said...

JGREESON....YOU SAID TENNESSEE STRENGTH WAS THROWING THE BALL....

JGREESON....MY QUESTION TO YOU IS WHAT STRENGHT?....PLEASE TELL ME WHAT STRENGHT.......DO YOU CALL STRENGTH GIVING TYLER BRAY THE GREEN LIGHT TO HOT DOG A BELOW 500 COLLEGE TEAM BY THROWING THE BALL EVERY DOWN?. ..OR DO YOU DEFINE STRENGHT AS BEATING A TOP 200 TEAM ??? Hmmmm?......IF YOUR GOAL IS TO MAKE THIS A TYLER BRAY SHOW.....THEN YOU ARE NOT A TRUE VOLS........I KNOW FIVE HIGH SCHOOL LOCAL QUARTERBACKS BETTER PASSING THAN BRAY HERE IN HAMILTON COUNTY RIGHT NOW

AS I SAID BEFORE THE CULTURE MUST CHANGE IN KNOXVILLE........BLACK QUARTERBACKS ARE STAYING AWAY.......AND TOP RECRUITS ARE TOO......HOPE YOU REALIZE TENNESSE RECRUITING IS SO BAD THAT THEY GOING TO JC TO FIND TALENT....TENNESSEE HAVE GOTTEN USED TO LOSING...THE PROGRAM HAVE LOST FOCUS!...DOOLEY MUST GO!...HES NOT THE MAN VINCE WAS.....AND WILL NEVER BE.....DEREK DOOLEY MUST GO!!!

TENNESSEE ARE USE TO BE FIGHTERS NOT WIMPS.....WE DONT NEED HIM...DOOLEY MUST GO!!!!!!

WAKE-UP AND SMELL THE ROSES.....THE CULTURE NEED TO BE CHANGE.....START WITH CLEANING HOUSE IN KNOXVILLE

September 17, 2012 at 11:43 a.m.
memphisexile said...

Samsonite! I was way off!

As an LSU fan I am happy, everything looking good so far.

As someone who was at the UT game this week, I would say all the Vols fans need to chill. UT lost, but that was the most competitive I have seen them look in a while. I do not think most people realize how bad off the program was when Dooley took over. This very fact is reflected by the hiring of Dooley, who had a losing record at L.A. Tech. He was the best coach they could get, because more established coaches were scared off by the greasefire that was UT football at the time. It will take time, UT is a complete rebuild. Not so mention, with UT still paying Pearl, Fulmer and Hamilton, I doubt they are in the position to buy Dooley out. Also, Florida is a good team! No shame in losing to them.

September 17, 2012 at 11:54 a.m.
Blueoval said...

Wow, and I thought I needed to vent....

September 17, 2012 at 11:59 a.m.
chet123 said...

BLUEOVAL.....LET LES MILES OR LSU LOSE TO FLORIDA 8 YEARS IN A ROW ON BAD PLAY CALLING, YOUR TEAM QUITTING AS THEY DID WITH PHIL FULMER,....LET LSU FAIL BEATING A TOP 10 TEAM FOR 10YEARS....YOU WOULDNT BE SO CALVALIER...PLEASE COMPARE APPLES TO APPLES.....AND NOT APPLES TO TUNIPS..BE HONEST!..YOU WOULD BE CALLING FOR HEADS TO ROLL.....SO SPARE ME BS!

September 17, 2012 at 12:10 p.m.
droolyvolfan said...

Chet, please stop screaming at me and you are killing my eyes!!!

It's a long season and you can only hope to get better. On the other hand, it might just be a long season for us JohnnyVolFans!

When does basketball season start?

September 17, 2012 at 12:12 p.m.
chet123 said...

GET DOOLEY OUT OF KNOXVILLE

September 17, 2012 at 12:17 p.m.
chet123 said...

STOP BEING SO TOLRATE!!!!! CLOSE YOUR EYES AND PRETEND HES OBAMA!!

September 17, 2012 at 12:19 p.m.
fechancellor said...

memphisexile,

Vol fans knew the woeful state of Tennessee football when Dooley took over. Vol fans also knew Tyler Bray was injured for good part of last season. However, Dooley's failure as a coach to master the entire 60 minutes of a football game led to defeats by LSU and North Carolina. Also and most embarrassing was the Vols loss to a Kentucky team with a wide receiver for quarterback with Tyler Bray.

Running the football was supposed to a focus this year, yet we have the same old nonperforming offensive line.

A buddy called after the fist half to say he had not seen a Tennessee team this good in four or five years. Statement withdrawn in the forth quarter.

The Obama defense you articulate works no better for the president than it does for Dooley.

September 17, 2012 at 12:20 p.m.
chet123 said...

BLAME IT ON THE OFFENSIVE LINE...BLAME IT ON THE DEFENSIVE LINE....BLAME IT ON THE RUNNING BACKS......

BUT PLEASE DONT BLAME DOOLEY.......THIS IS WHAT TENNESSEE HAS COME TO.......THE PROBLEMS BOIL DOWN TO BE THE EAST TENNESSEE FANS......EAST TENNESSEE FANS NOT USE TO WINNING IN ANYTHING ELSE.......THE FOOTBALL PROGRAM NEED TO BE IN MIDDLE TENNESSE OR WEST TENNESSEE.....THE FANS ARE LOSERS IN EAST TENNESSEE

September 17, 2012 at 12:28 p.m.
chet123 said...

TENNESSEE BETTER STAY AWAY FROM MIDDLE TENNESSEE UNIVERSITY....THEY'LL STOMP UTK IN THE GROUND

September 17, 2012 at 12:30 p.m.
jgreeson said...

Chet123 —

Welcome to the party. And feel free to locate the "caps lock" button on your keyboard. If the light is on, the caps lock is on. Good? Good.

That said, we love your passion and your investment in the program.

Want to know who else had that kind of passion? Alabama fans, who ran Mike Shula 12 months after a 10-win season because the Tide was not getting better and then went and landed Saban and are now the best team in college football.

But, that turned out because of the solution.

So, if you want Dooley out, we can see your point. But who can UT get that is better? Remember Dooley was not UT's first choice before. And if you are going to money whip someone into taking the job, fine. But who is it?

And if you say Petrino, well, good luck with that.

And Chet123, we love your passion, but Bray physically is one of the five best quarterbacks in college football. There haven't been five quarterbacks in the history of this county that can throw it like Bray.

And MTSU is terrible. However, UT better be glad they got Akron rather than La-Monroe on the schedule.

Droolyvolfan —

Welcome to the show.

We concur.

— 5-at-10

September 17, 2012 at 12:48 p.m.
Stewwie said...

[Coughlin was upset and felt it was a dirty play. First off, there is no dirty play if a team is trying to win the game, and that's what the Bucs did.]

Nothing wrong with playing hard until the horn, but what the Bucs did was taking it too far. To be fair, they're not the first to do something like that and surely won't be the last. But c'mon, when the offense is in victory formation, it's too late. Plus, the offense is being nice and not trying to pile on more points.

Is the Citadel really just that good? Maybe the Appy D is down this year. If so, it's going to be a fun day for the Mocs on Saturday.

September 17, 2012 at 1:55 p.m.
jgreeson said...

Stew —

We can see that about the victory formation. But it's just as much a crock to take it to the midfield in the spotlight and try to show a rookie head coach.

Why, because his team plays to the gun?

And yes, the Mocs need to win against an App State team that is what their record says it is.

— 5-at-10

September 17, 2012 at 2:24 p.m.
chas9 said...

I like DD, but FLA has a better coach (Dr. B told us they should hire Will). And FLA has a better QB than UT.

Is the current. SEC dominance of the top of the AP poll the bes ever?

Which is more cringe-worthy, being forced into overtime by ULM or WKY? PLease offer an analysis that goes beyond the obvious that AU got a W and KY took the L. IMHO, WKY will surprise some teams, and KY will too, if they get their top two RBs back. Still, if an SEC team loses to two in-state schools, the coach will go.

How did the paths of SMU and TCU diverge so much while I wasn't looking?

OK, I use a lot of capital letters, but not as many as CHET.

Did I win the UT-FLA contest?

September 17, 2012 at 2:25 p.m.
jomo11 said...

in the SEC the new model for success is you get a Dump Truck, You fill it up with money and you take it to the best coach you can find , , a la Bama and Saban and South Carolina and Spurrier . . both won 10 plus games . . .AND you wait til that coach tells you yes, if he tells you no, you put more money in the truck . . .don't do what Hamilton did and make statements about having a coach hired by the weekend, etc. AND dont worry if waiting causes you to miss a recruiting class . . .think long term IF you want to win BIG . . . .bottom line dont settle for a mid-major coach ( see Dooley ) . . and dont try and hire the latest flovor-of-the month hot assistant . . . go after the best HEAD COACH regardless . . . again this strategy works if you want a National Championship. If just want 8 wins a year, go the Dooley route

September 17, 2012 at 2:30 p.m.
chas9 said...

Droolryvolfan, I'm ready for round all, too. Mr. Noel will be fun to watch.

September 17, 2012 at 2:35 p.m.
jomo11 said...

Here is the best winning percentege coaches with 5 plus years you could go after :

Chris Peterson, Boise .914 Chip Kelley, Oregon .860 Bob Stoops, Oklahoma .806 Gary Patterson TCU .787

Derrick Dooley .462

If you want to win, go get the dump truck and pay any of these whatever they want

September 17, 2012 at 2:51 p.m.
chas9 said...

Ryan will complete 25 passes for 280 yards. Peyton will eat his dust.

September 17, 2012 at 2:53 p.m.
jgreeson said...

9er —

You finished second and you finished a distant second in capital letters used per post.

Gang, it's staggering to think we have become the defender of Tyler Bray since we have said from the beginning he is difficult to trust with the leadership of your football team. But to pretend he's not a skilled passer is not right either.

As for the cringe-worthy, it's Western for sure. La-Monore just won at Arkansas in overtime; we know they can play and have a senior QB working in the spread.

Jomo —

That's 100-percent spot on. But of those four you've listed which one would come to Knoxville for any price. Stoops maybe... maybe.

— 5-at-10

September 17, 2012 at 3:09 p.m.
jomo11 said...

Jay- you never know until you ask, Who would ever thought Spurrier would be at South Car. ? In today's coaching world, if you pay the guy what he wants it COULD work. Most of these guys at that level feel they can win anywhere ( big Egos ) . . . look what it has done for Alabama they are paying Saban $5.3 million, double and triple what all but Stoops makes ( Stoops makes $ 4 ) heck, break the bank pay a guy $6 or $7 million, at that point what difference does it make with a $125 million budget ? . . .it is proven with Bama that you get a return

September 17, 2012 at 3:19 p.m.
chas9 said...

I didn't say Bray's not a skilled passer. He is a superb passer and UT's passing game is fun to watch. But Driskel is better than Bray. Period.

September 17, 2012 at 3:32 p.m.
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