published Tuesday, September 18th, 2012

5-at-10: More Vols fallout, NFL POWer Poll and memorable quotes from the weekend

From the "Talks too much studios," let's get to it...

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    Tennessee Volunteers coach Derek Dooley looks on in the fourth quarter of the loss Saturday night to Florida at Neyland Stadium in Knoxville. Dooley said the coaches as well as the players learned some lessons from the Gators' late-game dominance.
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Vols try to pick up the pieces

There are a slew of reasons to like sports.

Competition. Excellence. Excitement. Winning. Work. Pick a lesson and a component and sports in general can offer untold wealths and rewards.

It's one of the side benefits beyond the basic aesthetics of athletics.

For the 5-at-10, two of our favorite subplots in sports are inertia and response.

Inertia is the scientific fact that things in motion tend to stay in motion and things at rest tend to stay at rest. This is true in sports and the it's the scientific definition of momentum. We like to watch the ebbs and flows of momentum during any sporting event.

As for response, we like to watch how coaches get their team to respond. How they handle the hurdles and cover the challenges without getting too high after success and too low after struggles.

A coach who can guide the ship through the turbulence and triumph with an even hand is built for long-term success. Bobby Cox was excellent at it.

So now we'll see how Derek Dooley is at regrouping his troops. The Vols as a team had a lot invested in Saturday's Florida game — as did the fan base — and the fourth-quarter meltdown has left a stinging pain in the right arm of Johnny Vols Fans everywhere.

And yes, there is a sizable percentage of UT nation that want Dooley gone. We can see that, but we can all agree that Dooley is going to be the coach of the UT football team at least for the next few weeks, right?

So let's evaluate where they go from here. Akron should not be that much of a problem on Saturday, but the trip to Georgia — a trip to Dooley's hometown no less — is shaping up to be the defining moment of his career.

We have always believed that good coaches can regroup a team amid challenges and great coaches can regroup them amid great distractions. The inverse of that is true too, and if these Vols do not respond with an inspired effort in what will surely be the biggest game in Dooley's coaching career, then we all will see exactly what kind of presence Dooley has in the UT locker room.

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    Officials break up a scuffle between Atlanta Falcons and Denver Broncos players after a Falcons fumble during the first half of an NFL football game, Monday, Sept. 17, 2012, in Atlanta. (AP Photo/Pouya Dianat)
    Photo by Associated Press /Chattanooga Times Free Press.

NFL POWer Poll

There are six NFL teams that are 2-0. That's a testament to balance across the league and the working attributes of flex scheduling and salary caps.

One of those six is Arizona, which has won with John Skelton and Kevin Kolb at quarterback. That's a testament to a blind squirrel finding an open receiver. The Cardinals will not make the Pow-er Poll.

Here are the five strongest teams in the NFL as of this morning:

1) San Francisco: Not only are the 49ers 2-0, they have convincingly handled Green Bay and Detroit, two teams that figure to be playoff contenders. Looking at that defense, the 49ers have done an amazing job of collecting former first-rounders — Carlos Rogers and Donte Whitner were first-round busts in Washington and Buffalo respectively but have flourished in San Fran — and melding them with later-round picks. That's the NFL's best defense.

2) Atlanta: Hey, giggle all you want, but the Falcons beat the Denver Peytons last night by forcing turnovers, which was one of Atlanta's biggest questions marks. With the Saints looking discombobulated (underrated word, right there), the Falcons control their destiny in the NFC South and could be a contender.

3) Houston: Best running back tandem in Arian Foster and Ben Tate. Aggressive defense that brings Wade Phillips back into the conversation (shout out to the Dallas office and Run JMC). That said, we're not buying long-term success because can we really trust Matt Schaub.

4) The NFL referees: Gang, the Monday Night Football game between the Falcons and the Mannings was marred by several spotty spots and questionable questions. Plus the game toooooooooooooooook foreveeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrr. And the replacement refs played a huge role in each. Our ace columnist Mark Wiedmer had an excellent column from the Georgia Dome on this last night here http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2012/sep/18/falcons-look-good-in-midnight-football-win/. The NFL is risking a 10-figure product on a seven-figure negotiation. If Al Davis was still alive, he would have already fixed this.

5) Philadelphia: The Eagles have turned it over 76 times in two games (that may be an overstatement, but the 5-at-10's research department did not show up today — they stay indoors when it rains). Plus, the Eagles are 2-0 with a scoring difference of plus-2, and even without the research department we know that's two pretty close games. So what does that tell us? The NFL is such a close collection of teams that winning and losing one or two games is the difference between 8-8 and 10-6, which means winning two close games can be the difference between sitting at home and making the playoffs.

That or the Eagles are the league's biggest pretenders. We should know more about that this week in the Pretender Bowl when the Eagles play at the Cardinals and quarterback Red Skelton or Kevin Costner. (Stupid research department.)

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    LSU coach Les Miles speaks to reporters at the Southeastern Conference NCAA college football media day, Wednesday, July 18, 2012, in Hoover, Ala. (AP Photo/Butch Dill)
    Photo by Associated Press /Chattanooga Times Free Press.

Athletes say the darnedest things

This is a floating feature that we should really use more of. Athletes — and coaches, too — have two speeds when it coms to quotes. There's cliche and there's awesome. Rarely is something in the middle.

The first determining factor is the person. Les Miles is the Zeus of quotes because he's an equal mix of charismatic, clueless and clever. In fact, we're going to listen to Les on this week's teleconference just for spits and giggles. (And know this, media teleconferences are not fun. Period. Unless of course Les Miles is involved. Let's spin an oldie but a goodie from the Les collection: "We have a team that has learned to play with freedom." Les Miles — great quote, great American. U-S-A. U-S-A.)

The second determining factor is the question. We believe good questions can generate good quotes from just about anyone this side of Ebby Calvin "Nuke" Laloosh. So it goes.

That said, we're determined let's review the three best quotes for a variety of reasons from the weekend.

No. 3 — Peyton Manning on his team's four first-quarter turnovers in Denver's 27-21 loss at Atlanta: "Each turnover has its own story that no one really wants to hear," he said. "I've just got to take care of the ball better." Well, that's not true. Each turnover's mother wants each turnover to get fair coverage because those turnovers work as hard as anyone else.

No. 2 — James Franklin, when asked if he has caught up with Georgia defensive coordinator Todd Grantham since the two ended last year's UGA-Vandy game in a screaming fight: "Actually, this summer our families went on vacation to Disney World. We were floating in the pool together drinking Mai Tais." Franklin is quoted in our SEC ace David Paschall's story here http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2012/sep/18/vandy-positive-as-no-5-dogs-loom/. And God bless coaches who try to have a sense of humor.

No. 1 — Michael Johnson, Cincy defensive end and former Georgia Tech star, was caught by NFL Films saying this to a teammate on the sideline of Sunday's game against Cleveland: "I'll say that to say this. If you hadn't did what you would had did, then we we wouldn't of been where we was at to get what we got." There are three people on the planet that understand Johnson — Johnson, his teammate who was nodding right along, and Les Miles. Les Miles is the quote whisperer.

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This and that

— OK, who was really surprised that Shaun "Flying Tomato" White was arrested? Now if you're surprised pot was not involved, that's one thing. White, who was allegedly drunk and beat up a phone), was on the Rushmore of psuedo celebs/fringe athletes destined to be picked up by the cops with Bode Miller, Carl Lewis and Marion Jones. You better stay out of trouble Anton Ono.

— The Braves won again, cutting the Nationals' lead in the NL East to five games. Hey, we like the tinkering Fredi Gonzalez is doing with the lineup. Side note: Dan Uggla may need to go further down the order. Before his two-run homer in the Braves four-run first inning that jumpstarted them to a 7-5 win over the Marlins, Uggla was 3-for-38 in the first inning. That's .079 — hey, research folks did show up — and that's not good.

— MLB is investigating Yunel Escobar's eye black and an alleged gay slur that was written in Spanish there during Saturday's game against Boston. Who wants the first black-eye, eye-black joke? And who thinks dealing Escobar for a bag of baseballs was a steal for the Braves?

— Things appear to be getting worse at UNC. After the recent round of allegations at the hoi polloi (Where did you come from, a scotch ad?), the UNC chancellor has resigned.

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Today's question

Tonight on ABC, they are unloading an ABC News special report.

Is it on Penn State? Nope.

Is it about the bounty-gate? Nope.

What about steroids? No chance.

Well, if you're asking yourself what ABC News special report could make the 5-at-10, well, you're not alone. But know this, they have partnered with People magazine, and we all know the rich and storied news gathering history of People magazine. (Side note: Can we all agree that People is the same as the National Enquirer with better paper and a better publicist?)

Anyhoo, at 9 p.m. (Eastern), ABC will count down the best TV shows in the following categories:

Best TV Comedy

Best TV Drama

Best Legal or Cop Show

Favorite TV Mom

Favorite TV Dad

Favorite Reality Show

Best Talk Show Host

Best Non-Human Character

Favorite TV Variety Show

Best TV Show of All Time

Who you got? We'll make out predictions of what's going to win and share our personal choices around lunch, but feel free to toss out some ideas.

Explanor: OK, we're all friends here, right? Well, the 5-at-10 loves list shows. It's a guilty pleasure and one that we have no real explanation for it. Yes, we know that sounds bad and we embrace it. The Mrs. 5-at-10 heckles us about it, but it is what it is. In fact, it's somewhat out of character for us, but to paraphrase the great philosopher Michael Johnson: "We'll say that to say this. If we hadn't did what we would had did, then we we wouldn't of been where we was at to get what we got."

Amen and pass the biscuits.

about Jay Greeson...

Jay was named the Sports Editor of the Times Free Press in 2003 and started with the newspaper in May 2002 as the Deputy Sports Editor. He was born and raised in Smyrna, Ga., and graduated from Auburn University before starting his newspaper career in 1997 with the Newnan (Ga.) Times Herald. Stops in Clayton and Henry counties in Georgia and two years as the Sports Editor of the Marietta (Ga.) Daily Journal preceded Jay’s ...

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ordinaryguy said...

I wanted to be the first onboard this morning, although I am still very nauseated from the Peyton lovefest on ESPN last night...the Falcons whip his butt, but they smooch on him, like a brown nosing employee...ENOUGH ALREADY...Eli is better! He wins the big game!

on to bigger and better things...if you are under 40 you might have missed out on some of the best television ever...but here goes

Best TV Comedy - Married With Children...

Best TV Drama - Dallas

Best Legal or Cop Show - NYPD Blue

Favorite TV Mom - Peg Bundy, now watch her on Sons of Anarchy

Favorite TV Dad - Archie Bunker

Favorite Reality Show - NONE

Best Talk Show Host - Phil Donahue

Best Non-Human Character - Brian from Family Guy

Favorite TV Variety Show - Carol Burnett

Best TV Show of All Time - MASH

September 18, 2012 at 10:41 a.m.
chas9 said...

Do you reckon Michael Turner had to speed so he could get to Nashville before The Tomato's party ended? (Spot on that Shaun's debacle was predictable.) If Turner had used some of his need to speed in the actual game, he might've averaged more than 2.5 per carry.

Does Atlanta have enough of a running game to go all the way? Is 67 yards total all they can manage? Rajion Neal had 87 by himself. But, yes, it should be fun watching the defense fly around creating turnovers. Please remember to enjoy The Great T-Gon while we have him, and hope it lasts a couple more seasons.

Good sign for The Bravos that Dan the Man is back.

OG is correct that NONE reality show is worth a tinker's dam.

Also correst that MASH is best ever, though The Simpsons and All in the Family are right behind.

Dick Cavett is best ever talk show host.

The short-lived, envelope-pushing Smothers Brothers Comedy Hour was the best variety show.

Andy was the best dad.

NYPD Blue was good, but Columbo sure was fun.

September 18, 2012 at 11:26 a.m.
jgreeson said...

OG —

We're a Peyton fan, and there is no debating the smooch-fest was overboard last night.

Strong list.

We're going to have to do a list of our favorites and then the ones we think are going to win.

September 18, 2012 at 11:28 a.m.
JonathanMCook said...

Thanks for the shout-out Jay. Told you I was correct. :P

Tuesdays are always the slowest so I'm not planning spending the day Rushmoring this, that, and the other.

Regarding People Magazine, it was a "one-time" well-respected entertainment magazine until they decided that the United States population needed to know everything about the Kardashians. We don't.

As I was listening to Jeff and JR this morning via streaming online audio, JR said it best. Payton basically can do no wrong according to the space-time continuium. Sorry, not buying it. He's talented but even the greats have faults. The fact everyone on the Broncos was blamed "other than Payton" is baloney.

I'm bias here but to me ANY quote by Huesman to Will Poyndexter (I think thats how you spell it) on the field right before halftime is the stuff of crack-ups.

Example:

JR: Well we are done with the first half and Will is down on the field with Coach Huesman

Will: Coach Huesman, the defense looked strong in there and you're only down by 3.

Russ: THIS IS TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE!! OUR DEFENSE IS NOT TACKLING LIKE THEY'RE SUPPOSE TO AND SHOULDN'T BE DOWN BY THREE! WE GOT TO BRING IT IN THE SECOND HALF IF WE'RE GOING WIN THIS BALLGAME AHHHAAAHHAAHH! (I just threw that last part in there because part of me thinks someday he might do that).

I'm not ready for Dooley to be pulled out just yet. I'll leave it at that.

Have fun everyone.

September 18, 2012 at 11:36 a.m.
fechancellor said...

Nice shout-out to Mr. Davis, Ten Ring. This the high point of Oaktown's dreary season so far. The rumor is Coach Davis reached out from his death bed to say, "If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine."

Yes, Al Davis was a Jedi.

To whom Mr. Davis refers is unknown as he enjoyed the scorn of a host of enemies during his run. What is known is Oaktown's former Ruler has about as much influence over referees now as he did when his was alive.

September 18, 2012 at 11:43 a.m.
BIspy4 said...

So I guess Michael Turner couldn't get through Denver's defense or a DUI checkpoint last night? Hmmm....

Best TV Comedy - Cheers.

Best TV Drama - Law and Order. The original.

Best Legal or Cop Show - Law and Order. The original. Cy Young and MVP.

Favorite TV Mom - Marge Bouvier Simpson (with Mrs. Cunningham right behind)

Favorite TV Dad - Archie Bunker.

Favorite Reality Show - Uhh ... what?

Best Talk Show Host - Morton Downey Jr.

Best Non-Human Character - Any Kardashian will suffice

Favorite TV Variety Show - Carol Burnett

Best TV Show of All Time - Hogan's Heroes.

September 18, 2012 at 11:46 a.m.
ordinaryguy said...

Dang I totally forgot about old red socks MD jr...what a great show

September 18, 2012 at 12:03 p.m.
fechancellor said...

Can't let this opportunity for individual expression to go by the board.

Best TV Comedy - The Simpsons. Then not now. Honorable mention, The Dean Martin Roasts/Space Ghost.

Best TV Drama - The Rockford Files.

Best Legal or Cop Show - LA Law.

Favorite TV Mom - Marge Bouvier Simpson

Favorite TV Dad - Al Bundy

Favorite Reality Show - Special Report with Bret Baird

Best Talk Show Host - Johnny Carson

Best Non-Human Character - Bender

Favorite TV Variety Show - Carol Burnett

Best TV Show of All Time - Star Trek

September 18, 2012 at 12:33 p.m.
chas9 said...

Yesterday at 3:32 I posted on this venerable forum that Bray "is a superb passer and UT's passing game is fun to watch. But Driskel is better than Bray. Period." I guess all the hard-working 5@10 posters (no, that's not an oxymoron) had already gotten back to the job, because I was the last poster of the day. So I'm re-posting (like re-gifting and double-dipping, probably a social gaffe) because I feel I'm seeing the dawning of a great career. Like the first time I walked into a Wal-mart or used an Apple computer. Note, I went on record before The Sport Talk crew endorsed Driskel yesterday evening.

So Tuesdays are slow, so I may get no response today either. But what do the rest of you think? If you're choosing up sides, who do you take, Bray or Driskel?

September 18, 2012 at 12:39 p.m.
mcpell3 said...

chas - I'll bite - I'll take Bray if I can get Crash Davis to handle his million dollar arm and knock some sense into his 10 cent head. The Vols remind me of the Bulls before Crash Davis. If Crash has retired, I'll take Driskel on his leadership right now.

September 18, 2012 at 1:14 p.m.

I was at the Falcons game last night. I can't believe how bad those refs were. Even good refs make bad calls. But these guys were lost. They looked disorganized and confused. Couldn't work together to get things resolved and keep the game moving. Long night..... And while those dirty birds might be #2 on the power poll, I sure am glad they are going out west to play the Diego version of San instead of the Francisco version. They have some work to do before we are ready for that bunch.
Seems like I had those exact same sentiments about the Falcons and the 49'ers back in the 80's.

In my opinion, the reason Seinfeld takes the trophy over MASH and all the others (and there were some good ones...Andy Griffith, Beverly Hillbillies, etc), is because I get tired of ALL the other reruns. But I can watch any Seinfeld episode never grows old.

Best TV Comedy - Seinfeld

Best TV Drama - Dallas.

Best Legal or Cop Show - Cops.

Favorite TV Mom - Granny Clampett

Favorite TV Dad - Archie Bunker

Favorite Reality Show - Survivor

Best Talk Show Host - Johnny Carson

Best Non-Human Character - Hank Hill (with Dale Dribble a close second)

Favorite TV Variety Show - Carol Burnett

Best TV Show of All Time - Seinfeld

September 18, 2012 at 1:15 p.m.
jgreeson said...

9er —

We saw that yesterday and meant to get back. Monday had a lot of paper work and not the newspaper kind. So it goes.

Driskel played better than Bray on Saturday. He's not better than Bray. Driskel has some escapability and the threat of a legit running game keeping the defense honest.

Loved your TV lists.

Run JMC —

We can see that with People. Now it's rubbish.

FE to the C —

Glad you and yours had a good time at the Braves game. Your presence has jumpstarted a winning streak. And yes, the Raiders have looked worse than expected. Somewhere Al is rolling over in his jump suit.

We agree that Johnny C is the best ever.

Spy —

Concur about the Law & Order love and believe it will be mentioned tonight.

And point of order about the "Any Kardashian" answer: Does that include Bruce Jenner too?

As for Michael Turner, rumor has it when the cop stopped him he fell forward for a 1-yard gain. And when he was asked to walk the line he fumbled twice.

My picks will be up in a few.

— 5-at-10

September 18, 2012 at 1:16 p.m.
jgreeson said...

From friend of the show StuckinKent —

Can I get back to the crowd about who I would prefer, Driskell or Bray, after the games on October 6? By then, I will have seen Bray against Georgia and Driskell against LSU.

What I do know is that I rather have to face the defense Driskell faced on Saturday night than the defense Bray had to face. That's the one certainty. Until I see Driskell do something remotely like that against a top grade defense (LSU), I'm holding back on my judgement.

September 18, 2012 at 1:18 p.m.
Stewwie said...

JMC,

Did you catch the Huesman halftime interview during last year's game at Eastern Kentucky? I just happened to be listening to the broadcast of that game on the radio. The Mocs gave up a big play for a TD late in the first half and Huesman was hot. His response was pretty much like what you described in your comment above...hilarious and scary at the same time. JR called it the best halftime interview he's ever heard. Whatever Huesman said in the locker room after that must have worked. The Mocs D took care of BID-ness in the second half and held EKU to zero points.

September 18, 2012 at 2:03 p.m.
jgreeson said...

Our personal favs

Best TV Comedy — Seinfeld

Best TV Drama — The Sopranos

Best Legal or Cop Show — The Wire

Favorite TV Mom — Marge Simpson

Favorite TV Dad — Andy Taylor

Favorite Reality Show — American Idol (Only one we've ever watched, but we contend that sports in general are the first and best reality TV show)

Best Talk Show Host — Carson

Best Non-Human Character — Homer J. Simpson

Favorite TV Variety Show — SNL (up to 1995 or so)

Best TV Show of All Time — The Wire

September 18, 2012 at 2:16 p.m.
BIspy4 said...

5,

good picks on your behalf. and yes, bruce jenner does count.

September 18, 2012 at 2:36 p.m.
chas9 said...

McP--Today's a brighter day for your Crash Davis/Bull Durham reference. And Annie did some sweet handling, too.

Kentuck--Strong point about the danger of a one-game evaluation. And, yes, The Gator defense is much better than The Vols'. Florida is back.

Addict--I, too, thought of Granny C. for best mom, but didn't have the huevos to mention her.

September 18, 2012 at 2:46 p.m.
jgreeson said...

Addicted —

Nice list, and you know what, "Cops" does not get the credit it deserves as cutting edge.

Heck, you could make an argument that the two shows that have shaped culture the most are "Cops" and "America's Funniest Home Videos." And yes, we realize the tragedy of that previous sentence.

And completely fair point about Seinfeld reruns.

Stuck —

Well said, and waiting to make a judgement is always a better plan. It's very non-5-at-10ish, but more times than not, it's much better course of action.

Stew —

We heard that interview. Great stuff.

McPell —

If Bray throws 20 TDs in the show, he can let the fungus grow back on his shower shoes and the press will think he's colorful. Until he throws 20 TDs in the show, it means he's a slob.

— 5-at-10

September 18, 2012 at 3:05 p.m.
jgreeson said...

And we're a little perplexed looking back that we did not have "Friday Night Lights" any where.

Here are our predictions for the winning selections tonight:

Best TV Comedy: I Love Lucy

Best TV Drama: Sopranos

Best Legal or Cop Show: Hill Street Blues or NYPD Blue

Favorite TV Mom: Marian Cunningham

Favorite TV Dad: Heathcliff Huxtable

Favorite Reality Show: Survivor

Best Talk Show Host: Carson

Best Non-Human Character: Homer Simpson

Favorite TV Variety Show: Carol Burnett (Althought the Ed Sulivan Show deserves some love, too)

Best TV Show of All Time: M-A-S-H

September 18, 2012 at 3:29 p.m.
mcpell3 said...

5 - I think Dooley needs to put the gang in the showers and start throwing ball, tees, whatever at them. Might work for Chizik too. "Lollygaggers"

September 18, 2012 at 3:31 p.m.
JonathanMCook said...

stewwie-

I definitely recall that one. In fact, I think right before going into commerical break they played the last two seconds of it. It's becoming something of a tradition that depending on how the Mocs are ahead or behind is like a barometer for how animated Huesman is going to be before heading to the locker room for halftime.

I don't know if JR is legally allowed to keep any of the broadcasts or who he can contact but there ought to be a "Best of" Huesman halftime clips.

jgreeson-

"Favorite TV Variety Show — SNL (up to 1995 or so)"

Sounds about right. Two me, SNL was at its best with the first cast (i.e. Chase, Belushi, Akroyd, Bill Murray [at a later date], that black guy who I keep forgetting his name, and so on) and the mid to late 80s - early 90s cast which included Carvey, Hartman, Myers, Jackson, Sweeney, and so on. Carvey was great with his characters but Phil Hartman stood head an shoulders above all.

Honorable nod- As silly as it could be sometimes, I did love Will Farrell's Celeb Jeopardy skits.

::in my bad scottish accent:: I'll take "The Rapists" for $200 Alex.

::cam zooms in on the titleboard:: That's therapists...::slow laughter escalating as the audience figures out the joke::

September 18, 2012 at 3:44 p.m.
jgreeson said...

McPell

"How'd we ever win eight?"

"It's a miracle."

JMC —

Hartman was so money. Great in everything — and his Sinatra was HUGELY underrated.

That said, some of Farrell's SNL stuff was excellent. His W. was good, his Jeopardy stuff was gold, too. The Screen Actor's Guild interview cat.

Good times.

— 5-at-10

September 18, 2012 at 3:47 p.m.
BIspy4 said...

RIP to Steve Sabol of NFL Films.

For two guys who never owned, coached, GM'ed (is that a word?) or played for a team, there may not be two people who had more of an impact on the enjoyment of watching the NFL than Ed and Steve Sabol. Maybe Pete Rozzelle for his incredible stewardship and foresight as commissioner. Maybe.

September 18, 2012 at 4:20 p.m.
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