published Wednesday, September 19th, 2012

5-at-10: They said what? No way

Man we're in a tight spot.

We tippy-toed into the headlines of the day, and every where we looked, we saw storylines that stretched belief. It's a riddle, wrapped in an enigma surrounded by confusion.

Seriously, we're in a tight a spot.

So with a nod to Friday's mail bag — we have a spot or two open — here's the first "No way" 5-at-10

From the "Talks too much studios," let's get to if...

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    UTC quarterback Terrell Robinson carries as Glenville State's Ian Andrews, left, and Nate Ingersoll approach.
    Photo by Angela Lewis /Chattanooga Times Free Press.

UTC wrestles with the next step

It's Homecoming week for the UTC Mocs. They have Appy State on the schedule (you could ask the schedule maker why they put App as the Homecoming game, but that's a different debate).

We spoke with coach Russ Huesman at his media event Tuesday. He is hungry for big plays, better special teams and more turnovers. That makes him like every coach not named Nick Saban in the country.

Huesman's program is starving for a win of this magnitude. There figures to be a strong crowd on a glorious Saturday in September at Finley this weekend. (In fact the entire 5-at-10 clan is planning on attending.)

None of this falls into the "No way" category. And we're OK with that because we know what's coming.

But before we get there — and we're planning on discussing this more later in the week — we think it's fair to say that this game lingers near the same importance level for the Mocs that last Saturday did for the Vols. It's importance level is for different reasons of course — no one would hint that Russ needs the same flame-retardent, teflon seat protector Derek Dooley needs — but nonetheless important.

Russ and Co. have done work getting UTC to the point where competing in games like this are expected. And having been in town for 10 football seasons, that was serious work that took serious effort. Now the Mocs coaches, players and fans need the payoff.

When competing becomes the normal, winning big games must be the next step. The former has been achieved — and that is an accomplishment worthy of acclaim — but the next step looms.

As for the UTC "No way" moment, well, it's Homecoming this week, and we'd expect to see famous Chattanooga product and UTC alum Dennis "Mr. Belding" Haskins roaming the city. And if we do see him, we'll have to say, "Hey, hey, hey, what's going on Mr. Belding? We read you're now a professional wrestler."

No way? Way. http://tv.yahoo.com/news/-saved-by-the-bell-s--mr--belding-now-a-pro-wrestler.html

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    Tennessee quarterback Tyler Bray (8) throws to a receiver in the first quarter of an NCAA college football game against Florida, Saturday, Sept. 15, 2012, in Knoxville, Tenn.
    Photo by Associated Press /Chattanooga Times Free Press.

Un-Bray-leviable

OK, the 5-at-10 bought into the hype of the UT-Florida game and thought the Vols were ready for that kind of moment.

We looked back at this Monday and Tuesday we looked forward to the next mega-chance. That's part of the greatness and tragedy of the SEC, no matter what you did Saturday, the next mega-match-up is looming.

With that in mind, and with a fair tip of the 5-at-10's Tam O'shanter to Chas9, what do we make of Tyler Bray?

The details our UT ace Downtown Patrick Brown shared about Bray's view http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2012/sep/19/vols-frustrated-bray-looks-forward/ of the Florida meltdown were far from confidence inspiring.

Bray refused to watch the film of the final 20 minutes. No way? Way.

Bray said: "That wasn't our team." Say what? No way? Way.

And then he added: "They kept scoring. I get frustrated. Anybody's going to get down and feel like they've got to make that play. You've just got to make a play. You go from throwing bombs and running backs running great and linemen blocking great to no one's doing anything great. It can get frustrating." No way? Bray.

It's fairly easy to be the man when being the man is easy. "Anybody's going to get down...." Anybody that is except good quarterbacks who have the chance to change things. Hey, we all know quarterbacks get too much praise for success and blame for failure. But that's because the they're the quarterbacks.

Bray did not take a bad angle on Frankie Hammond Jr. or miss the tackle on Trey Burton. And every one in orange from the Governor to the ground's keeper was frustrated Saturday night.

But when the heart beat of your football team stops, then your dead.

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    Vivian Vance, left, and Lucille Ball are shown in a scene from the comedy series, "I Love Lucy." Ball, who died on April 26, 1989, would have celebrated her 100th birthday on Saturday.
    Photo by Associated Press /Chattanooga Times Free Press.

TV picks for the masses

We were genuinely excited about the ABC News special on the top TV shows of all-time.

Then, reading the fine print, we learned they had five predetermined nominations that were voted on by more than 1 million folks. This certainly skews the picks to the more recent and the more trendy. In fact, we believe if "Friends" had been on the list, Spy would have voted enough to make it a triple crown winner.

OK, this thing was as hollow as the Trojan horse and as deep as a downtown mud puddle, and as blah as the winners were in most cases, the finalists listed by the TV "experts" were borderline criminal.

Here are the winners and the finalists from each category

Best TV comedy: I Love Lucy (finalists: Seinfeld, M*ASH, The Cosby Show, All in the Family)

Best drama: ER (The Twilight Zone, The Sopranos, The West Wing, Mad Men)

Best Legal or Cop Show: Law & Order: Special Victims Unit (Law & Order, Colombo, 24, Hill Street Blues)

Reality Show: Dancing with the Stars (American Idol, Survivor, The Amazing Race, The Deadliest Catch)

TV Mom: Clair Huxtable (Carol Brady, Marie Barone, Marion Cunningham, June Cleaver)

TV Dad: Heathcliff Huxtable (Andy Taylor, Howard Cunningham, Al Bundy, Dan Connor)

TV host: Johnny Carson (Ellen DeGeneres, Oprah, Carol Burnett, Letterman)

Best non-human character: Kermit the Frog (Lassie, Spock, Alf, Miss Piggy)

Best variety show: Saturday Night Live (Carol Burnett Show, American Bandstand, In Living Color, The Ed Sullivan Show)

Best TV show ever: I Love Lucy (Seinfeld, M*ASH, All in the Family, Cheers)

Hey, we're only a TV expert because of the thousands of hours we have spent watching it. And this list is such total and complete junk that it's hard to know where to start.

We'll start with the kudos: Having Spock among the finalist for best non-human characters was a nice call.

As for the short-comings: ER? Really?

And for the biggest glaring sin of the entire list (and the fact that this thing has as much validity as our 5-year-old's list of best TV shows, which starts with "Jake and the Neverland Pirates" and expands to "Blue's Clues"): There is not a single mention of any of the Simpsons. Period.

No way. No flippin' way.

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No way this and that

— Yunel Escobar put a gay slur in his eye black because he thought it would be funny. Wow, some people are too dumb to get out of the rain. No way. (Well, since Escobar was suspended, we'll say, no play.)

— The NFL is getting a lot of backlash because of the sub-standard of the replacement refs. No way? You mean people care about football? Since when? Seriously, this needs to be fixed sooner rather than tomorrow. Goodell, we've been on your side in most of the debates because you have guided the NFL to unforeseen heights. This needs to be fixed and cost should not be an issue. Now find a way.

— Want to know the difference between a guy that can really throw the football and a guy that can really be a great quarterback? Above we discussed Tyler Bray, and no one will doubt his supreme skills throwing a football. As for the quarterback stuff, well, did you see Matt Barkley's response after USC's humbling loss to Stanford that derailed the Trojans' national title plans and the subsequent criticism he received from all corners, including coach Lane Kiffin? "Yeah, I made some poor decisions," Barkley said Tuesday. "But that's why you watch the film and learn from it." And, "He's going to be real, you know?" Barkley said. "He is going to defend me when he has to and he's going to be real when he has to. I'm glad he's not hiding me behind a curtain or anything like that. "I know what I did. It's not like he's making fun of me or something to the public." A quarterback learning from his mistakes... No WAY.

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Today's question

Feel free to toss out anything today, and feel free to comment on any of the above. (Especially the debacle that was the TV shows list.)

You can also discuss the thrower that is Tyler Bray, and after hearing his quotes from Tuesday, maybe you were right Chas9, and Jeff Driskel may be better than Bray right now.

But our question is in honor of the passing of Steve Sabol, who was the heart and soul behind NFL Films, which really advanced the NFL product in the eyes and hearts of the country. NFL Films documented the league from the beginning, and now that the NFL is everywhere that seems easy. Back then, baseball was the big thing and without NFL Films, we would be without the historical chronicle of our national pastime.

So, in honor of Sabol, and borrowing from Spy, what's the Rushmore of outside contributors to modern sports that never coached, played or worked in front office? We'll take Sabol, Roone Arledge (father of Monday Night Football and ABC sports ace), Bill Rasmussen (ESPN founder), Pete Rozelle.

Discuss.

about Jay Greeson...

Jay was named the Sports Editor of the Times Free Press in 2003 and started with the newspaper in May 2002 as the Deputy Sports Editor. He was born and raised in Smyrna, Ga., and graduated from Auburn University before starting his newspaper career in 1997 with the Newnan (Ga.) Times Herald. Stops in Clayton and Henry counties in Georgia and two years as the Sports Editor of the Marietta (Ga.) Daily Journal preceded Jay’s ...

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Salsa said...

Any day that a Kiffin coached team loses is a good day.

September 19, 2012 at 10:22 a.m.
jomo11 said...

Salsa- I bet you wish Kiffin was still at UTK . . . If he was you the VOLS wouldnt be in this mess they are in now. . .

Jay- when I hear John Facenda and Stve Sabol on those old NFL film narrations it gets you pumped up . . " Frozen tundra of Lambeau Field . ."

Also on Rushmore Marvin Miller ( baseball Player union head ) Mark McCormack ( IMG founder ) both of those guys had major impact on sports

September 19, 2012 at 11:03 a.m.
jgreeson said...

From friend of the show StuckinKent —

The most comical thing about the TV show list:

There are five comedies listed for Best TV Show Ever. They do not match the five comedies listed for Best Comedy Show Ever. Cheers replaces The Cosby Show on the list.

Coming up with a list of Best Shows Ever is always very complicated. I'm not an All in the Family fan, particularly, and I Love Lucy is OK, but not the best. I would have thought that Homer Simpson would at least be listed for Best TV Dad (the weakest finalists in the lot, in my opinion). Law & Order: SVU is hardly the best crime show ever. I mean, I could come up with at least five or ten better ones than that- including all the other nominees.

I say you give us a list of your nominees in each category then the readers vote on it, and then we name a 5-at-10 version of this list. Let's do it! It will be amazing!

Unfortunately, you would probably not include much of any of my favorite shows of recent years (Lost, Person of Interest, Damages). Anyone who watches Damages (not many out there considering it is only on the DirecTV channel now and the final episode of the five season run of a show just was last week, but the first three seasons were on FX, and this show does get nominated for a lot of awards)- Patty Hewes (played by Glenn Close, who I will never be able to look at the same way again- just like because of this show I won't be able to look at Ted Danson or John Goodman the same way again) for Best TV Mom? If you watch it, you'll get the humor in that- except for she's the most interesting television mom I'm ever seen. But no one thinks of her as TV mom since that was far from her main role in the show. And if you don't watch Damages- do yourself a favor and get the first season from Netflix (or your rental provider) and give it a watch. It's worth your time if you like shows that keep you guessing until the end. Each season kind of stands alone with guest stars for that season, but the main characters do build on each previous season and it is important to know their storyline.

September 19, 2012 at 11:12 a.m.
chas9 said...

I can hear the great Homer Jay Simpson grunting "D'oh!" upon seeing the show last evening. Even Crusty's more deserving than some of the picks. Borrowing from current political discourse, would you say Homer's a "maker" or a "taker"?

What the heck is In Living Color? I've always thought ER was over-rated. I guess it's a chick thing. Ever notice how many soap opera scenes are set in hospitals?

But thumbs up to the show for mentioning Spock, Lassie and Kermit in the non-human category.

Thanks for the hat tip for the Bray discussion. Knoxville U. fans may be down about No Way Bray, but they can be happy that the Mrs. Frank Gifford and Hoda show is in K-town today with a bunch of comely screaming, leaping orange-clad co-eds.

September 19, 2012 at 11:13 a.m.
jgreeson said...

Salsa —

We know several folks who said that was the only highlight of the weekend.

Jomo —

Great additions. Marvin Miller changed the game — and sports in general — a ton.

Stuck —

We concur whole-heartedly. In fact, last night was the TV version of New Year's Eve. We were stoked for the shindig and then the party starts and it flops.

ER? ER?????? Fine show and the first few seasons were really good. But Best Drama in TV history?

In no particular order these are all better that ER:

Hill Street Blues

NYPD Blue

Sopranos

Mad Men

The Wire

West Wing

Friday Night Lights

Dallas

Breaking Bad

And that's just off the top of our melon, and not knowing a slew of the made-for-cable shows beyond the big boys. (We know people who swear by Game of Thrones, Weeds, Eight Feet Under, et al.)

Heck, we could make a hard argument that LA Law was better than ER.

Stupid Barbrah Wah-Wah....

— 5-at-10

September 19, 2012 at 11:20 a.m.
TennFlyer said...

Mt Rushmore Rozelle, Sabol, Cosell, Bill Winkenbach (started first fantasy league in 1962)

Bray is more Leaf than Manning, Barkley is a leader - hate the coach love the player.

September 19, 2012 at 11:20 a.m.
chas9 said...

Recently, selling beer to help attendance at Mocs' games was discussed. Today's news that a brewpub (and apartments) will be built across from GD/MF has to be good for attendance. Wonder if they'll build in a viewing porch like at Wrigley Field?

September 19, 2012 at 11:23 a.m.
jgreeson said...

From friend of the show StuckinKent —

I know people who swore by ER and said it was their favorite show ever. I watched a handful of episodes with a girl I was dating at the time. Once we broke up, I quit watching it- and never missed it. Even for a second. But I'm not surprised it shows up on this list considering the sheer volume of people I know that absolutely loved it.

So I'm still a fan of you giving us five nominees for each category and then letting us vote on it. (You can take off reality TV show....unless you want to include SportCenter....)

To Jomo (From StuckinKent) —

To JoMo-

As a Vols fan, I was one of the few that said from the second game of the first year on that I couldn't stand Kiffin and wanted him gone. I celebrated when he went to USC. I couldn't stand his smugness, his idiotic comments, or the fact that his recruits seemed to be more trouble than they were worth. My Dad and I always argued about it, because he liked Kiffin. I thought it was in the top five happiest days of my life as a Vols fan the day that Kiffin left. People told me I was stupid, and that it was bad for Tennessee, and I said I didn't care if they weren't as good. Kiffin was not the guy I wanted as the face of the program. Am I happier with Dooley? In all the face of the program stuff, yes, I am. In his record? I don't know. Kiffin only went 7-6. I'm not sure if the year after he left if the Vols would have been any better with Kiffin than they were with Dooley. Last year would have probably been better, but I have seen minimal stuff to suggest to me that Kiffin would do any better in a big game than Dooley. What was USC's problem against Stanford? Couldn't stop the run in the fourth quarter. Couldn't keep pressure off Barkley. Doesn't have a kicker. What were Tennessee's problems against Florida? Couldn't stop the run in the fourth quarter. Couldn't keep pressure off Bray. Doesn't have a kicker. Kiffin is 3-6 against ranked teams- which is better than Dooley. I came into this year saying that Kiffin was a much improved coach and deserved credit for how he's grown out in LA based on last year. Based on what I've seen from them in three games this year, I'm not sure Kiffin deserved that much credit. We'll see as the season progresses.

September 19, 2012 at 11:38 a.m.
JonathanMCook said...

I'll go with bullet points on this:

Mocs: Appy State is a must-win. As Admiral Akbar would say "The shield is down, commence the attack!" (ROTJ reference to Appy State's current defense).

Frierson wrote on his Tweeter page that Huesman threw out the Appy State-Citadel game as favorable recon footage. As to how they are planning then on counterattacking the defense, your guess is as good as mine.

I know Mr. Belding is the most well-known of the UTC alumni but I like to think the good general might be in attendence as well. Lesley won't be attending simply because Finley Stadium is nowhere near Alan Gold's or a good bathroom stall (yes, I went there).

Vols: I have to say Bray earned a +4 respect points for his attitude regarding the Tennessee-Florida game. He knows what is expected and if I was him, use the Akron game as a tune-up for Georgia.

In Living Color was a popular urban version of Saturday Night Live that came on 8:30 on Sundays on Fox. It only ran for four seasons and was groundbreaking during its run for its politically-incorrect humor on prime time television. It also launched the careers of not just Jim Carey (then simply known as "The White Guy on In Living Color") but also Jamie Foxx, David Allen Greer, and three of the Waynes brothers. The "best" stuff is from seasons one and two. Season three was 50/50 and completely skip season four. It smells worse than the Cartersville Budweiser plant near I-75 in July going downwind.

Love the "nod" to Jake and the Neverland Pirates. I guess we have until he's a little order before I can introduce him to Gravity Falls.

September 19, 2012 at 11:45 a.m.
BIspy4 said...

I've been barely been awake more than an hour and a half and I get TWO mentions in the 5@10? Must be my lucky day.

Dramas better than ER ... that is a healthy list. And I don't think it stops there. Mad Men and Breaking Bad are far superior, as was The Sopranos, for starters, as 5 so duly noted. St. Elsewhere was better, for crying out loud.

So I'm watching the end of the USC-Stanford game. The Men of Troy need to go a million yards in like 5 seconds. Their center is having trouble keeping the nose tackle from crushing Barkley's face on every snap.

And genius Kiffin keeps putting him under center, instead of going to the shotgun? In the words of Bugs Bunny (now there's the greatest non human character of all time. Even beats out Khloe Kardashian) what a maroon.

September 19, 2012 at 11:58 a.m.
JonathanMCook said...

chas9 wrote-

"Recently, selling beer to help attendance at Mocs' games was discussed. Today's news that a brewpub (and apartments) will be built across from GD/MF has to be good for attendance. Wonder if they'll build in a viewing porch like at Wrigley Field?"

I read that this morning to and while I can't agree with the target clientale for the complex (seriously, $800 to $1,000 a unit? If they're going for the "young, urban hipster", they might want to check what company their "daddy" is director of. For "real" people making $10 to $15 an hour somewhere = no dice), I did like the concept. Only does this mean their going to finally going to tear down that ugly building next to the Pivilion? Also, how will T-Bones fair with the competition?

September 19, 2012 at 12:08 p.m.
jomo11 said...

To StuckInKent - If you would rather have Dooley than kiffin more power to you. Face it, Dooley is 0-11 against ranked teams, a .462 winning percentage as a Head Coach, and only has 2 victories in 6 years against teams that finished with a winning record . . .Nice guy, clean cut, but will never be more than a 7 or 8 win a year coach-at best . . .Like Bill Parcells says "You are what your record is" . . .

September 19, 2012 at 12:49 p.m.
fechancellor said...

Ten Ring, I guess if you've been a primary cause of a train wreck you're not predisposed to relive it. I've never heard the like of Bray's braying about not watching game film. To me, this is evidence that Dooley has yet to bring himself to discipline his quarterback to embrace clear and defined boundaries.

In other words, if Bray's doing this in public, what's going on in private?

This boy is truly "Stuck on Stupid."

Here at the enterprises, we've been remiss in not sooner nominating "The Battle of the Network Stars" in the category as Best Reality Show Ever.

September 19, 2012 at 1:04 p.m.
jgreeson said...

From friend of the show StuckinKent — To JoMo-

Give Dooley USC's talent and talent base and see what his record is. Dooley's winning pct at UT .464. Kiffin's winning pct at UT .538. Neither is very good. For that minimal of a difference in winning percentage, I'll take the guy who I like over the guy I can't stand. Does that mean that I want to see someone other than Dooley as head coach at UT? We'll wait and see what develops this year.

By that standard, should we be firing Huesman? 18-18 as a head coach. .500 winning percentage. He is what his record says he is. A six win coach. Nothing more. I don't agree with that. Let's wait and see what develops this year, and even next year, before we start firing Huesman.

September 19, 2012 at 1:19 p.m.
BIspy4 said...

I know UT getting dumptrucked in the fourth quarter by the University of Jorts was not much fun for most of the readership. But I know I thoroughly enjoyed watching a high school offense shred Virginia worse than Grant ever thought about doing.

5, rumors starting to circulate that if the Big Orange does decide to tell Mr. Dooley that him going to law school was a fine way to ensure a future job they may come after PJ.

September 19, 2012 at 1:32 p.m.
patrickbrown said...

The esteemed 5-at-10 encouraged me to swing by more, and he is the boss, so here I am...

Just quickly on the Bray statement: both Dooley and Jim Chaney, the offensive coordinator, said that the QB's 'I didn't watch the second half' claim wasn't true. Make of that what you may.

September 19, 2012 at 1:37 p.m.
jgreeson said...

Sorry for the absence. Work got in the way.

9er —

Turn Finley into a little Wrigleyville? That would be awesome in its awesomeness.

Run JMC —

Concur on App State

Maybe BBB will be in Finley. Doubt Mr. Jordan will be. Maybe on T.O. Doubtful on Gerald Wilkins.

And you forgot one Jennie from the Block — yes Jennifer Lopez — got her start on In Living Color, too.

Spy —

ER is a fine show, but an all-timer? Andre Dawson was a fine outfielder, but he's not an all-timer. Not even in the top 10 or maybe even the top 20.

And Bugs and/or Mickey probably deserved a nod. Alf? ALF? (Side note: If we use all caps do we owe Chet123 a copyright check?)

FE to the C —

Great call on the BotNS. Heck the all-star events hosted by Cosell alone deserve top-five, and then add in the Superstar competitions and they were money.

Jomo —

The numbers are on your side. But the quid pro quo about Huesman is an interesting question.

Dooley and Huesman each had major rebuilding efforts in front of them.

Why the two orders Col. Jessup?

— 5-at-10

September 19, 2012 at 1:48 p.m.
Stewwie said...

Bray will never be any kind of pro with that attitude. He could learn a thing or two from Barkley. Lots of guys have made the NFL with some good raw talent, but then they fail when (among other things) they don't get serious about making themselves better. What's he gonna do on Gruden's QB Camp? "Coach, don't show footage from that game...that's not 'me' throwing that pick."

Jay, in the prep video, I can't believe you gave Hargis a free pass when he said that Calhoun's offense puts up "video game numbers." Nice funny ending to the video though when you guys were saved by the bell (no Belding needed).

How did Mickey Mouse not make it as a nominee for best non-human character? This show was on ABC, right? Good call from Spy for Bugs Bunny too.

September 19, 2012 at 1:48 p.m.
jgreeson said...

Gang,

Let's welcome Downtown Patrick Brown to the joint. Treat him fairly and use your nice manners.

Downtown, in your professional opinion, does that mean Bray was kidding, lying or trying to be cool? Or are the coaches covering for Bray?

5-at-10 minds want to know.

You're our boy Stew —

Yeah, when he said it, almost went Bo in Tecmo Bowl on him, but what can you do. He's our cohort and cohorts stick up for each other.

— 5-at-10

September 19, 2012 at 1:56 p.m.
jgreeson said...

From friend of the show StuckinKent —

I'm not saying I rather have Dooley than Kiffin. I'm saying I rather have anyone than Kiffin. (At least anyone I know of....) Spurrier? Yep. Saban? Yep. Brian Kelly? Yep. Fulmer? Yep. Joker Phillips? Yep. Terry Bowden? Yep. Pat Summit running a football team? Yep. Ron Zook? Yep. Randy Sanders? (Gulps hard.) Ye....s? Jerry Sandusky? OK- maybe not anyone.

Sure- Kiffin may win you a few more games than some of those guys (and I don't like any of them, particularly- other than Summit), but I couldn't stand the way he ran the program and the way he ran his mouth and the way he was heading Tennessee right toward the NCAA Infraction House faster than anyone I've ever seen (even Bruce Pearl!!!!). I just didn't like him. Straight up did not like him. Would I rather have a coach I can't stand that wins 9 games or a coach I like that wins 6? Answer? C. None of the above. If I can't stand him, he better be winning conference titles basically every year and national championships sometimes (this is a football illustration- the substance changes slightly with basketball). If I like him, the standard drops some.

I would also like to say two more things:

1) I get that I am in the minority here. Most people don't care what their coach says or does as long as he wins games. I am of the mindset that it does matter what the coach says and does. I care about being able to enjoy rooting for the team, and how can I do that if the coach (the face of any college program) is a pompous #%@%! (censored due to the family oriented article that the 5 at 10 is)?

2) Many many people claim to hate Kiffin because of how he left Knoxville. I have no problem with how he left Knoxville. His dream job was USC. Who among us would not go take our dream job if someone came and offered it to you and offered you a raise on top of that? Kiffin didn't do anything wrong with how he left the job, and if I had liked Kiffin prior to that, I would still like Kiffin today, because there was nothing wrong with what he did. He was free to do whatever he wanted to do, and I have absolutely zero issue with it. Some people leave there jobs much worse than that and do it consistently. (See Petrino, Bobby and what he did to Louisville and the Falcons- that guy shouldn't be trusted within 200 miles of another job opening.) If Kiffin leaves USC to go to, say, Notre Dame, or Texas Tech, or Oklahoma here in a year or two in the same way, then I've got more problems with how he left Knoxville, and also how he would have left USC.

September 19, 2012 at 2:06 p.m.
chas9 said...

Mention of Mr. Belding suggests another category: Best TV school principal.

Probably only fec, Spy and I are old enough to remember, but Gunsmoke deserves mention in the best cops category, and Captain Kangaroo may have been the best TV host ever. And if genies aren't human, Barbara Eden is in there.

September 19, 2012 at 2:10 p.m.
chas9 said...

Mention of Mr. Belding suggests another category: Best TV school principal.

Probably only fec, Spy and I are old enough to remember, but Gunsmoke deserves mention in the best cops category, and Captain Kangaroo may have been the best TV host ever. And if genies aren't human, Barbara Eden is in there.

September 19, 2012 at 2:10 p.m.
jomo11 said...

Jay- taking over a team that was 12-12 in their previous 2 seasons ( UTK ) as opposed to taking over a program that was 3-20 ( UTC ) . . . AND a program that is in the top 3 in terms of budget in your conference( UTK ) vs. a school that is in the bottom 4 in terms of budget ( UTC ) . . . apples to oranges, my brother

September 19, 2012 at 2:23 p.m.
jgreeson said...

Stuck —

We concur that far too many folks turn a blind eye to the coach if the product on the field wins. The Auburn alum in the 5-at-10 prays that Bobby Petrino never coaches on the Plains. (And if he does, if anyone needs any Auburn gear, well, give us a shout.)

That said, we think some of Kiffin's bluster was by-design. In truth, Kiffin's biggest football miscue in our view is having Ed Orgeron on staff. (Dude is a walking NCAA violation.)

9er —

Surprise it took this long to mention Gunsmoke. Nice call.

Best TV principal? Well, there's Mr. Belding of course. And then there's..... and what about.... well the pickings are slim.

But since Mr. Belding is now in the squared circle, who would win a cage match: Mr Belding from Saved by the Bell or Ed Rooney from Ferris Bueller?

Discuss.

Jomo —

Excellent point about the previous records. Numbers are numbers.

But, two more numbers, Dooley was the third coach in 15 months — turn over was brutal — and this is Russ's fourth year compared to Dooley's third.

We think Russ had a taller hill to climb, no doubt, but Dooley is dealing with much biggesr expectations.

And to be clear, we said from the start that Russ is miles from the hot seat, and Dooley is either on it or next to it depending on your point of view.

Just wanted to ask the question and your answer was well-played indeed.

— 5-at-10

September 19, 2012 at 2:33 p.m.
Livn4life said...

StuckinKent, I'm with you on Kiffin. I am ashamed to type his name. I made myself tolerate him because he was the Volunteer head coach but I never liked him nor the smart-eleck punk type soft cakes look he gave. Now we see the mighty have fallen as USC lost to Stanford. But life goes on.

Give Bray a break. Dude must have really listened at all he could do and forgot what he had to go out and do. It was a disappointment. It is yet to be determined what he will ultimately be. If he leaves this year, unless he burns about 3 of the 4 big SEC teams properly, he will not go high in the draft and will enjoy a career holding the old clipboard. The loss to FL is not all on him. There was a lack-defense effort and some poor coaching. Now he showed a tremendous lack of composure we thought he had. But life and football moves on. Now can we and let the Vols whupp up on the Zips then try to get ready for Dogs, Dogs, the Tide and Roosters? On the Sabol issue, I am speechless just as I was when they were making those incredible early NFL films. God bless them all.

I have NO PROBLEM with ALF being on the non-human list but believe Bugs Bunny belongs. I just want to know who tops the tv list of inhuman characters. Got to go JohnnyVolFan somewhere else.

September 19, 2012 at 2:45 p.m.
jomo11 said...

Jay- your thoughts on the Appy -UTC game in terms of match-ups, etc. ?

September 19, 2012 at 2:55 p.m.
jgreeson said...

Livn(Large)

We trust in your true Orange. There's no doubting your JVF status. No doubt.

In fact your street cred is so good with us, we'll even let you have Alf on your list.

As for inhumane characters, well Opie Taylor did kill that momma bird with his sling shot.

Jomo —

We were going to break that down in Friday's mailbag. Maybe even break in Frierson for a little guest appearance. Deal? Have any specific questions for him?

— 5-at-10

September 19, 2012 at 3:05 p.m.
mcpell3 said...

5- we need to stop these Petrino to Auburn rumors before crazy Bobby Lowdermilk fires up the hiring jet again. I had a message Saturday from my bro-in-law asking if motorcycle bobby was going to be Auburn's next coach.

FEC - great one on Network Stars

September 19, 2012 at 3:08 p.m.
patrickbrown said...

Jay/5-at-10:

I have no idea why Bray said that. I might go with the 'He's just a college kid' answer. Maybe he was talking off the cuff. Maybe he zoned out during the film session.

Also, if you have any Tennessee-Akron questions for Friday and need a guest appearance to break that one down, I'm available. I will warn you that my knowledge of the Zips is limited to (a) they throw it about 576 times a game and (b) Terry Bowden, who may or may not have been the coach on the Plains when you were roaming them, is their coach.

September 19, 2012 at 3:09 p.m.
Todd962 said...

Jay, couple things to start with. Bo in Tecmo Bowl was ridiculous. He was the equivalent of the backwards low kick leg sweep in Mortal Kombat. It was unstoppable and made you want to bring real life physical violence to the person sitting next to you. That was the reason we outlawed the use of Bo's team. So if you were about to uncork that bad on Hargis for using that term....he doesnt even know how close he was.

Another excellent week of the Two Steps Forward, One Step Back High School Football Show. You and Hargis are two shaggy haircuts away from having a hippie drum circle on set. Whats with the South Pitt paratroopers dragging the flag, come on bro....respect. (I thought about giving him a pass since he just fell out of a perfectly good airplane and may have been shook up but I declined.) My South Pitt colleague said it was standing room only all the way around the track and his wife's trip to the concession stand was a hour long ordeal. He predicted this week to be the same.

Ed Rooney was arrested for soliciting a 14 year old boy in real life, so he would clearly fight prison rules and probably shank Mr. Belding while he was yelling at someone in a Chattanooga bar for calling him Mr.Belding to his face (which we've known to happen more than once). Not even a fair fight.

September 19, 2012 at 3:25 p.m.
BIspy4 said...

Best principal? How about Mr. Larritate from "Wizards of Waverly Place"? Because that makes me think of Larry Tate from "Bewitched" and why wasn't Endora among the best TV moms? Or after the birth of Tabitha, Elizabeth Montgomery as Samantha as best TV mom.

September 19, 2012 at 3:25 p.m.
JonathanMCook said...

jgreeson-

You were right, I keep forgetting J-Lo got her start as well as one of the original Fly Girls.

Also, tip of the hat for getting my references of other known Moc alumni.

I won't touch the whole Kiffen was this, that, and the other simply because I'd rather move forward. I bleed a little orange, just not Moccasun Bend orange.

It's unfair to catagorize Bray as another Ryan Leaf after just three games. Now if he starts having on-field meltdowns with TO-sized drama THEN we can call the kettle black on that one. Until then, the jury is out.

Huesman is not even close to hot-seat status. Do I expect the Mocs to play like the New England Patriots? No. Do they need to? Yes. Having seen countless drummings of 45-0 games going back to the Buddy Green era, Huesman at least has gotten the program up to a level to where they can go toe to toe with Boone and Statesboro. Now all we need is to actually provide the fruits of said labor by winning the SoCon Championship or going to the playoffs or both.

September 19, 2012 at 3:47 p.m.
jgreeson said...

McPell —

Concur 100 percent. Didn't want Petrino then, surely do not want him at Auburn now.

We may be in the minority but that's how we see it. He's going to implode, period. It's a short sell, and look at the destruction left in his wake at Louisville, the Falcons and Arkansas.

962 —

Great post, as has become the norm.

Bo was legit. In fact, there were two plays that could work even if your opponent called them. Bo on the sweep topside — dude was too fast for his own good — and the Giants' triple curl throwing it to Mark Bavaro.

Thought the same thing about the Spitt paratrooper, but then we realized at least they didn't storm the gate at Big Daddy's Fireworks, load up the truck "Wolverines" style and overthrow the county seat in Jasper. Amen and pass the biscuits. (And an hour long potty trip? Either she needs to pass on the chili-cheese nachos or leave the People magazine in the car.)

And yes, there will be a crowd there this week.

And while Jeffrey Jones may have prison experience, we've seen Mr. B throw back enough "Co-Colas" at CBC that he's been around the block a time or two his own dang self.

Spy —

Did you just quote one of the magical type shows. Did you have your 12-sided dice out again?

— 5-at-10

September 19, 2012 at 3:54 p.m.
jgreeson said...

From friend of the show StuckinKent —

First of all, let me make it perfectly clear- Huesman is nowhere near the hot seat. Dooley is very much on the hot seat. And they both deserve their positions in relation to the hot seat.

Secondly, Dalton Williams is the Zips starting quarterback. He was the back-up last year....at Stephen F. Austin. Is this the first time ever that a player transferred from an FCS school to an FBS school so he could be the starting quarterback? It is a sad sad state of affairs at Akron right now. They are ranked right around #121 out of 124 teams in my computer rankings. Last year, they finished #120 out of 120 teams. Ouch.

September 19, 2012 at 3:56 p.m.
chas9 said...

I concur that The Loveliest College On The Plains would be nuts to hire Bob P., but I fear Kentucky might be desperate enough to do that. Unless the Bill G. mess taught 'em a lesson.

September 19, 2012 at 4:31 p.m.
fechancellor said...

If Tyler Bray refuses to look at game film, then he has all the more time to complete his community service.

September 19, 2012 at 4:53 p.m.
compspeed said...

Tyler Bray is a great passer. He is not, however, a great college quarterback. Signing a pure drop back passer is not what is going to win you championships in the SEC.

September 19, 2012 at 4:54 p.m.
Todd962 said...

Jay, I have a top five suggestion for you to attack on a slow day, it was inspired by StuckinKent's story about ER. Top five TV shows or movies that you watched with a woman in an attempt for further and less than noble aspirations that you would have been embarassed to have been caught watching by your boys. I watched many a episode of OC, Greys Anatomy, and the Notebook while in a ladies dorm room. They let us sip beers in the process as long as we were quiet.

And as a result of my parents being video game nazis, we currently have a NES and SNES hooked up to our fitty inch tv at the casa in 2012. The combination of a controller cord designed for 1980 televisions(not long enough), the huge tv that actually causes some games to be ridiculously pixelated, and alcohol, it makes for some fun post last call evenings. Tecmo, Contra, NBA JAM T.E., Mortal Kombat, its a drunk child's dream.

September 19, 2012 at 5:20 p.m.
LaughingBoy said...

I didn't watch that thing but they were missing best game show..Price is Right, Jeopardy, Wheel of Fortune would have had to be among the finalists.

I'd rather watch a marathon of My Mother the Car, followed by Cop Rock for a week, than another minute of ER. Mad Men doesn't impress me too much either. Nearly all of the cable dramas and 'comedies' start out as critics' darlings-I've seen plenty of shlock on networks canned after a season that would be dragged out as artistic on Showtime or AMC.

If the Mocs lose to one of the worst Appalachian State teams in years Huesman should start to feel some pressure. How long does a rebuilding effort take?

September 20, 2012 at 3:18 p.m.
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