published Saturday, September 22nd, 2012

The Exterminator

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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Salsa said...

More fantasy from the DNC.

September 22, 2012 at 12:16 a.m.
alprova said...

Who was it that wanted to see Muslims respond to those who killed the four Americans last week?

Don't look now, but you asked for it, and they are now delivering the goods...

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/09/21/libyans-storm-ansar-al-sharia-compound-in-backlash-attack-on-us-consulate/

September 22, 2012 at 12:24 a.m.
miraweb said...

I just saw that. My first thought - oh, please don't do this on our behalf.

My second thought - and thank you!

Hundreds of protesters stormed the compound of one of Libya's strongest armed Islamic extremist groups on Friday, evicting militiamen and setting fire to their building as the attack that killed the U.S. ambassador and three other Americans sparked a public backlash against armed groups that run rampant in the country and defy the country's new, post-Moammar Gadhafi leadership.

Armed men at the administrative center for the Ansar al-Shariah militia, suspected to have led the Sept. 11 attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, first fired in the air to disperse the crowd, but eventually withdrew from the site with their weapons and vehicles after it was surrounded by waves of protesters shouting "No to militias."

Leaders of tribes, which are the strongest social force in eastern Libya, have come forward to demand that the militias disband. Tribal leaders in Benghazi and Darna announced this week that members of their tribes who are militiamen will no longer have their protection in the face of anti-militia protests. That means the tribe won't avenge them if they are killed.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444620104578010750711899438.html

September 22, 2012 at 12:32 a.m.
fairmon said...

The voter ID issue again? Reminds one of TV re-runs. No wonder alprova opted for the Libya issue and who killed the ambassador. It was the film that did it, no it seems self evident it was a planned terrorist attack. Does it really matter why? The ambassador and others were tortured and killed and did nothing to provoke such a reaction. What are we going to do about it?

It is probably a good thing it is not up to me, my inclnation would be to communicate to the Libyan people and government, you have 72 hours to turn over to us those people involved in the killing of our ambassador and other Americans or one of two things will happen. Libya will become a zero population country or the U.S. will run out of bombs, whichever occurs first. I keep wondering where those people get all those assault weapons and ammunition? Most news videos shows a lot of them and for celebrating anything they fire them in the air and act like ammunition is cheap and plentiful.

September 22, 2012 at 4:45 a.m.
cactus said...

I'm just a simple person who doesn't know much. Can someone tell me how a voter without a photo I.D. can cash a payroll or government check?

September 22, 2012 at 5:11 a.m.
fairmon said...

cactus....It must be that some people are concerned that those getting an ID that doesn't already have one will start buying alcoholic beverages or cigarettes.

Anybody without the intelligence and ability to obtain a valid ID don't need to worry about who is elected they are going to get all the free stuff they need regardless of who is elected. What they don't have is enough trustworthy people to help them get what is available by helping them negotiate the government maze to get the needed assistance.

Most federal and state agencies, not all, assume everyone is "on line" and knows the various sources of assistance or can come to their office and wait for hours to apply...not necessarily at the same office for all needs. Those sharp enough can use and abuse the system while those needing it most may not receive help.

September 22, 2012 at 5:41 a.m.
EaTn said...

Hah! They wave the Constitution in one hand and try to suppress voter rights in the other, while the gullible support their effort like they supported Bush's weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Obama will easily win this election, even with the voter-rights suppression.

September 22, 2012 at 6:50 a.m.
hambone said...

All the GOP controlled states go to the trouble of passing voter ID laws, then they nominate a canidate that is doing everything he can to keep from winning!

This is getting funnier than a Bob Hope show!

September 22, 2012 at 7:43 a.m.
degage said...

The democRATS don't want to show ID to vote. How could the dead vote if a person had to show ID. Cactus, It doesn't make sense does it. Our dem friends just want their cake and eat it too. just try to cash a government check without an ID, or get on an airplane ,open a bank account, use your credit card, buy beer or cigs, buy a gun, the list goes on and on.

September 22, 2012 at 7:55 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Hey! That's kinda like what Obama did with the health care issue!

Instead of lowering the cost by affecting lawsuit reform (which is why health care cost so much in the first place), He just put it completely in the hands of the government (blowing it up with dynamite). Oh well, as long as alpo gets his free rectal exams, all is right with the world.

If you need I.D. to buy a pack of cigarettes, why not require I.D. to vote for someone with the power to go to war.

Clay, such the hypocrite.

September 22, 2012 at 8:05 a.m.
MTJohn said...

cactus said..."I'm just a simple person who doesn't know much. Can someone tell me how a voter without a photo I.D. can cash a payroll or government check?"

Simple. Go to the bank where you have an account. Voting is sort of like that. You register and then, when you show up to vote, present your voter registration card. Then, sign in so that you can't vote twice and so that the election judge can compare your signature with that on the card.

September 22, 2012 at 8:07 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

You get checks cashed without I.D.? I'm sure a lot of check thieves would love to know the name of YOUR bank.

September 22, 2012 at 8:11 a.m.
alprova said...

A thought just occurred to me.

There are people who feel that the Constitution is a holy document never to be questioned or changed, who cling to it very much like they do their Bibles.

They praise the founding fathers as men who had immense vision to predict the future, who set forth a set of rules that we should followed to the letter some 236 years later.

Some of these very same people lay claim that the Constitution should be a basis for all the laws passed by our politicians, and that every law should be approached as if those founding fathers were passing it themselves.

It seems to me that there are a bunch of laws on the books that are contrary to the principles the founding fathers left for us to follow, for they lived in a world without having to produce a photographic I.D. at all, for any purpose. There was no such thing in those days.

The truth is that it doesn't really matter to some whether a law is Constitutional or not. They are paying lip service to the idea of a Constitution. To some, it only matters whether or not they agree with a particular law or in this case, a measure that is equal to denying a privilege to those who are not like themselves, that was indeed meant to be extended to all the American people.

There aren't many people left who are not keenly aware that the voter I.D. requirements were instituted to prevent certain people from being allowed to vote, especially those behind such laws.

It is still possible and probable that there are people among us who live their daily lives without such an I.D. in their pockets. There are people who cannot produce the documentation necessary to procure an I.D.

For 234 years or so, our system of elections were conducted with the premise that everyone was allowed to vote on the honor system, with brief hiccups from time to time when obstacles were created to thwart certain people from being allowed to cast their votes.

Despite very little evidence that the honor system has been violated in numbers high enough to ever influence an election, some rather crafty people decided to erect yet another obstacle that people must go around, to be allowed to vote.

And go around it they will. Where the will exists to overcome such obstacles, much like free-flowing water, it will find its way around those hastily erected dams every time.

This particular renewed effort will backfire on those who created it for years to come too.

More votes will be cast in the opposite direction than they were trying to prevent from being cast at all.

September 22, 2012 at 8:15 a.m.
ricardo said...

Voter registration laws: A "solution" without a problem. The only "problem" they are trying to solve is that there are too many Democrats in elected office.

September 22, 2012 at 8:16 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Biden on cheerleaders: "the stuff they do on hard wood just blows my mind". Biden needs a sock in his mouth. Dirty old man. One heartbeat away from the oval office. Absolutely terrifying.

http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/21/biden-on-cheerleaders-the-stuff-they-do-on-hard-wood-it-blows-my-mind/

September 22, 2012 at 8:24 a.m.
alprova said...

cactus wrote: "I'm just a simple person who doesn't know much. Can someone tell me how a voter without a photo I.D. can cash a payroll or government check?"

I have never, in 53 years, been asked to produce an I.D. to do any of my banking business. But then, I have had accounts with the same two banks for all of my adult life, and I set up those accounts without providing an I.D. to open them.

Last year, when I opened my business account, as a long-time, well established customer, nobody asked for my I.D. on that day either.

Governmnent checks have just about gone the way of the buggy whip. Direct deposit into bank accounts or onto debit cards are the way you receive funds these days. Debit cards can be used at ATM's with no I.D. required.

September 22, 2012 at 8:29 a.m.
tderng said...

the most suppressed voters in America! Shame on the Democrats! Let our Military men and women overseas vote!

http://www.wnd.com/2012/08/yes-obama-really-is-suppressing-the-military-vote/

September 22, 2012 at 8:34 a.m.
dougmusn said...

I think stopping voter fraud is a great thing--fraud, if present, dilutes my vote, BUT...

...allegations of voter fraud and challenging thousands of voters gums up the works just as much.

My solution? Those who assert fraud would be required to post a bond to pay for the costs of investigation by the Secretary of State/Board of Elections, say $25/name. If more than 5% of your list is found fraudulent, we give you our thanks; if less than 5% of the names are fraudulent, we thank you and keep the money for the costs you incur.

September 22, 2012 at 8:34 a.m.
cactus said...

Alprova said "It is still possible and probable that there are people among us who live their daily lives without such an I.D. in their pockets. There are people who cannot produce the documentation necessary to procure an I.D."

The answer is: Illegal immigrants and dead people.

September 22, 2012 at 8:37 a.m.
ricardo said...

Get your mind out of the gutter, Toecheese.

September 22, 2012 at 8:37 a.m.
dude_abides said...

AARP to Ryan: BOOOOOOOO!!!!!

Another Romney campaign blunder.

Smoke in the cockpit! Divert!

September 22, 2012 at 8:39 a.m.
degage said...

Al, I worked in a bank for about 8 years and believe me we ID"D. You couldn't open an account unless you showed your ID and your SS#. As you said you have been at one bank most of your adult life so I guess they already have all that info in their files. Just go to a bank that doesn't already have that info and open up an account.

September 22, 2012 at 8:40 a.m.
alprova said...

"The democRATS don't want to show ID to vote."

It's not a question of wanting to show an I.D. Those who have them are a-okay with having to produce it. But there are many people out there who do not have such an I.D.

Do you even know the difference?

"How could the dead vote if a person had to show ID."

Would you be so kind as to point me to any evidence that proves that there are more than, oh let's say...five "dead people" within any of the 50 states, who have ever cast votes in any election?

"just try to cash a government check without an ID, or get on an airplane ,open a bank account, use your credit card, buy beer or cigs, buy a gun, the list goes on and on."

The people most likely to have trouble procuring an I.D. are those least likely to fly, to have credit cards, probably do not buy beer or smoke, have no desire for a gun, etc.

You don't get it because you are judging them according to your standards. You live in two different worlds.

September 22, 2012 at 8:41 a.m.
rolando said...

So you suggest the government take even more money from voting citizens, doug... Obtaining a photo ID is much cheaper and easier, to boot. And one cannot easily survive in today's America without a photo ID [other than illegal aliens, of course].


Years/Decades ago, banks were not required to check photo ID before opening an account. I opened a number of them through the mail...snail mail, pre-Internet.

ATM's routinely take the photograph of all customers as do banking facilities.

A photo ID is an excellent first-step to ensure a valid voting process. As stated, it's hard for a dog, an illegal alien, or the dead to produce a photo ID to vote.

In case no one noticed -- or chose to ignore -- one state/county Registrar's office found over 4,000 people on its voting roles who were not eligible to vote...google it.

Photo ID works -- which is precisely why Democrats hate it. Their precious ACORN-style techniques of voter fraud [of whatever kind] don't work.

September 22, 2012 at 8:47 a.m.
alprova said...

Cactusd wrote: "The answer is: Illegal immigrants and dead people."

Nope. There are STILL many people running around this country who were born without the benefit of having a state issued birth certificate certifying births of certain people, especially right here in the deep south.

Prior to the 1960's, black people were not allowed to give birth in many hospitals. Mid-wives delivered the babies. Entries in family Bibles are the only proof of the dates and names given to them at the time of their births.

That is a fact that some people simply cannot grasp, for it is a reality that they have never experienced or witnessed.

September 22, 2012 at 8:49 a.m.
alprova said...

dude_abides wrote: "AARP to Ryan: BOOOOOOOO!!!!! Another Romney campaign blunder. Smoke in the cockpit! Divert!"

I saw that video last night. Paul Ryan really screwed the pooch with that one, didn't he?

September 22, 2012 at 8:52 a.m.
rolando said...

Just about ANY state will accept any number of alternate forms of proof of birth -- an entry in the family Bible, for instance...provided one HAS a family Bible. [Or they did before religion became a dirty word]. And most blacks DO have one. I used that technique one time in the distant past when my Birth Certificate was unavailable and time was of the essence. There are many ways to prove birth [other than PhotoShopping a Certificate].

But then some people cannot grasp the idea that government DOES, on rare occasion, actually ease the way for us.

September 22, 2012 at 8:57 a.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said....

It is still possible and probable that there are people among us who live their daily lives without such an I.D. in their pockets. There are people who cannot produce the documentation necessary to procure an I.D.

I really don't care one way or the other if an ID is required or not. Do you personally know of anyone with a valid social security card with those circumstances? If yes I am sure you will assit them in reconciling that problem regardless of who they desire to vote for?

This is another issue that is not critical and will have no impact on the election. The same argument you make that fraud doesn't occur enough to affect the outcome, the voter ID issue will not be enough to affect the outcome.

September 22, 2012 at 9:05 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

So the democrats must be happy to keep the poor and minorities down by not caring about getting these folks I.D.'s so they can try to participate in the American dream.

The democrats appear to have disdain for anyone not reliant on the government.

September 22, 2012 at 9:07 a.m.
fairmon said...

Taking Biden's cheerleader comment wrong requires a mind in the gutter. Cheerleaders experience more injuries per participant than foot ball players. They are incredible athletes and are more like gymnast than the old rah, rah cheer leading many think about.

September 22, 2012 at 9:10 a.m.
alprova said...

"Al, I worked in a bank for about 8 years and believe me we ID"D. You couldn't open an account unless you showed your ID and your SS#."

I'm quite sure you didn't work at the banks that I have done business with, so what's your point?

"As you said you have been at one bank most of your adult life so I guess they already have all that info in their files."

Nope...sorry. I've never had to show, nor have I been asked for my I.D. It's not on file.

"Just go to a bank that doesn't already have that info and open up an account."

Without question, if I were to go to a bank that did not know me in the year 2012, to open an account, I would indeed have to show I.D.

My earlier point was simple. There are many people who opened bank accounts many years ago, who were not subjected to I.D. requirements, and who still do not have I.D.'s for the very reason I mention within the past few minutes.

You show me a state that retroactively issues someone a birth certificate based on a Biblical entry, who can then go on to procure a valid I.D., and I will drop all of my objections.

But the states with voter I.D. laws are not doing this.

There are far better ways to prevent voter fraud, if that indeed was the true intention behind the requirement to produce a photographic I.D. at the polls.

A photo I.D. is not going to prevent someone from casting a vote in two different states. A photo I.D. is not going to prevent someone from casting a vote in their own name, if under state law, they are not legally entitled to register to vote. In some states, a photo I.D. will not even prevent an illegal alien from being allowed to register to vote and to be allowed to cast their votes.

I hate to say it, but the truth is the truth.

Voter I.D. laws are almost exclusively passed to prevent those least likely to vote for Republicans, from being allowed to vote at all. Black people have always been the target whenever hurdles have been thrown up to prevent votes being cast, especially in the deep south.

September 22, 2012 at 9:14 a.m.
MTJohn said...

TOES02800 said..."You get checks cashed without I.D.? I'm sure a lot of check thieves would love to know the name of YOUR bank."

I've been doing it for a long time. I use the account number and they have a copy of my signature on file. I've never had a problem and I'm not aware that my bank has had a problem with check thieves.

September 22, 2012 at 9:14 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

That's right harp, if voter fraud is such a limited thing, then why are the democrats so much against voter I.D. laws? If the democrats can find a way to bus thousands of people to OWS rallies and liberal agenda protests, surely they can get people together to help the so called "disenfranchised" voters.

Maybe the Teaparty and OWS could find some common ground and come together for the purpose of getting these folks some I.D.! ..........HAHAHAHA!

September 22, 2012 at 9:18 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Alpo spewed: "Voter I.D. laws are almost exclusively passed to prevent those least likely to vote for Republicans, from being allowed to vote at all. Black people have always been the target whenever hurdles have been thrown up to prevent votes being cast, especially in the deep south".

I'm sure you'll back that up with some proof.

September 22, 2012 at 9:19 a.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said....

Some of these very same people lay claim that the Constitution should be a basis for all the laws passed by our politicians, and that every law should be approached as if those founding fathers were passing it themselves.

Not having it is like if you don't know where you are going any road will get you there. It has some good and enduring principles. Any proposed legislation should be tested by three questions:

1-Is it legal? 2-Is it constitutional? 3-Can we afford it?

Answering no to any of these requires further action like changing a law, an amendment to the constitution or if we can't pay for it a tax or revenue increase to pay for it.

This process could have prevented the situation we are in today.

September 22, 2012 at 9:20 a.m.
MTJohn said...

degage said..."Al, I worked in a bank for about 8 years and believe me we ID"D. You couldn't open an account unless you showed your ID and your SS#."

Agreed. The county election office also verified who I was when I registered. I cash a check and the bank can check my signature against the copy that they have on file. I sign in when I vote. So, what's the difference?

All the huff and puff about voter ID is a solution to a problem that does not exist. And, the attempt to use the banking analogy to prove the need for voter ID does just the opposite. And, the analogy to purchases of alcohol and cigarettes is bogus.

September 22, 2012 at 9:25 a.m.
ricardo said...

Toecheese said..."Alpo spewed: "Voter I.D. laws are almost exclusively passed to prevent those least likely to vote for Republicans, from being allowed to vote at all. Black people have always been the target whenever hurdles have been thrown up to prevent votes being cast, especially in the deep south". I'm sure you'll back that up with some proof."

Dead people don't vote for conservatards. They're too smart for that.

September 22, 2012 at 9:26 a.m.
MTJohn said...
September 22, 2012 at 9:27 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Toes mentioned ALPO getting free rectal exams. Fair warning to any doctor fierce enough to try this procedure on Alpy.. Stand back.

September 22, 2012 at 9:29 a.m.
conservative said...

No one has a right to commit fraud but every good citizen has a duty to prevent fraud.

September 22, 2012 at 9:39 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

ACORN OPERATIVE ADMITS 'VOTER FRAUD'

"The resignation comes as several U.S. states initiate a crackdown on voter fraud. It also comes weeks after it was reported that Lessadolla Sowers, a member of the executive board of the Tunica County, Miss., NAACP, was sentenced to five years in prison for voting 10 times in the names of other people".

http://www.wnd.com/2011/09/344577/

Just a fart in a wind storm.

September 22, 2012 at 9:44 a.m.
dougmusn said...

With all the talk about the Constitution, I have a question for the originalists.

The text of the 4th paragraph of the XIV amendment to the US constitution reads (emphasis added):

The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

After a tour of the Bureau of the Public Debt in Parkersburg, WV, on 5 April 2005, President Bush addressed the West Virginia University Campus in Parkersburg during his effort to privatize Social Security, saying:

“I have just come from the Bureau of Public Debt. I want to thank Van Zeck, Keith Rake, and Susan Chapman. Susan was the tour guide there at the Bureau of Public Debt. I went there because I'm trying to make a point about the Social Security trust. You see, a lot of people in America think there's a trust, in this sense -- that we take your money through payroll taxes and then we hold it for you, and then when you retire, we give it back to you. But that's not the way it works. There is no "trust fund," just IOUs that I saw firsthand, that future generations will pay -- will pay for either in higher taxes, or reduced benefits, or cuts to other critical government programs. The office here in Parkersburg stores those IOUs. They're stacked in a filing cabinet. Imagine -- the retirement security for future generations is sitting in a filing cabinet. It's time to strengthen and modernize Social Security for future generations with growing assets that you can control, that you call your own -- assets that the government cannot take away. (Applause.) “

He summarized this later as “it's just paper!”.

My question: why is this not an impeachable offense?

September 22, 2012 at 9:44 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

More Acorn Voter Fraud Comes to Light Congressional Democrats still want the group to be eligible for federal money.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124182750646102435.html

September 22, 2012 at 9:47 a.m.
TOES02800 said...
September 22, 2012 at 9:49 a.m.
dougmusn said...

To Rolando @ 8:47-

Read my comment again, please. Fraud = no cost. No fraud = you pay for the search you precipitate.

September 22, 2012 at 9:50 a.m.
mymy said...

44 Days to Go!

It is still the economy/jobs/foreign policy/direction of country and National Security here and abroad.

Tick, Tock, Tick, Tock

Another day of the Liberally insane views.

September 22, 2012 at 9:57 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Good commentary today in the NYT on this issue – “Voter Harrassment, Circa 2012."

“This is how voter intimidation worked in 1966: White teenagers in Americus, Ga., harassed black citizens in line to vote, and the police refused to intervene. Black plantation workers in Mississippi had to vote in plantation stores, overseen by their bosses. Black voters in Choctaw County, Ala., had to hand their ballots directly to white election officials for inspection.

This is how it works today: In an ostensible hunt for voter fraud, a Tea Party group, True the Vote, descends on a largely minority precinct and combs the registration records for the slightest misspelling or address error. It uses this information to challenge voters at the polls, and though almost every challenge is baseless, the arguments and delays frustrate those in line and reduce turnout.

The thing that’s different from the days of overt discrimination is the phony pretext of combating voter fraud. Voter identity fraud is all but nonexistent, but the assertion that it might exist is used as an excuse to reduce the political rights of minorities, the poor, students, older Americans and other groups that tend to vote Democratic.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/22/opinion/voter-harassment-circa-2012.html

September 22, 2012 at 9:57 a.m.
conservative said...

"Photo ID works -- which is precisely why Democrats hate it"

I couldn't have said it any better rolando!

September 22, 2012 at 9:59 a.m.

To save the house from the rodents we imagine are scurrying through the rules, we shall bulldoze it down. It's the only way to be safe, isn't it?

Voting is a right, it is part of the legitimacy of government. The state is obligated to provide access to the ballot box in a means that does not compromise the rights of the citizens to access it. They cannot take shortcuts, but must make every effort to do things properly.

These voter ID systems? Have not met that high burden. If you want me to believe you genuinely do not want to disenfranchise anybody, you will say to me that you believe that the state must be pro-actively obligated to provide everybody with ID before imposing that requirement.

That means they pay for any records searches, they come to your home if that's necessary, and talk with your friends and neighbors to get verification that you are who you say you are.

As for dead people voting, it's not being done through individuals showing up at polling precincts. Never has been. That corruption is within, with somebody adding in results they want.

Besides, Indianan's voter ID didn't do anything about Charlie White, did it?

And speaking of GOP fraud...

GOP Voter Registration Firm Turns in Thousands of 'Invalid' Registration Forms in California

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=9291

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=9305

Ouch.

September 22, 2012 at 10:06 a.m.
whatsthefuss said...

Alpo,,,,

That's just crazy talk!!

September 22, 2012 at 10:23 a.m.
TOES02800 said...
September 22, 2012 at 10:24 a.m.
cactus said...

Why don't we just outlaw all forms of identification and conduct all business on the honor system?

September 22, 2012 at 10:25 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

your post makes no sense bulbs. The republicans are the ones trying to stop voter fraud. So what's your point?

Voter I.D. laws are designed to quell voter fraud from both sides of the aisle. But only the democrats are against it. Why?

September 22, 2012 at 10:30 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Conservative proclaims: "which is precisely why Democrats hate it"

I note that there are some Republicans who are honest enough to call it as they see it. Granted, they do represent a Republican minority, but they recognize a rat they smell it:

“Longtime Republican politician Stanley R. Lawson Sr. says he knows a rat when he smells one. And what's going on politically around recently passed voter ID laws in his home state of Pennsylvania reeks of partisan politics.

Lawson, 70, a registered Republican, is currently the head of the Harrisburg chapter of the NAACP, but has served as chair to the Dauphin County Republican Party and as a member of the Harrisburg City Council.

"The whole thing stinks," Lawson told The Huffington Post on Friday afternoon. "They say the reason they did this is because of all the fraud going on. But I happen to be a former Republican chairman of the county, I've been on the city council, I've been a township commissioner, and I've never seen it or heard anyone complain about voter fraud."

Pennsylvania joined a host of other states, nearly all of which are controlled by Republican-led legislatures, in passing some kind of controversial voter ID law. A few states, including South Carolina and Texas, have already had their laws challenged by the Justice Department under the Civil Rights Act because of a history of discriminatory election practices.

But Pennsylvania doesn't fall under the purview of the act, but the state's laws have faced legal challenges from a range of plaintiffs, including the ACLU and Viviette Applewhite, a 93-year-old who doesn't have a driver's license or Social Security card and uses a wheelchair to get around, who typifies a group that is likely to be adversely affected by the law. . .”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/21/voter-id-laws-stink-says-_n_1904322.html

September 22, 2012 at 10:35 a.m.
TOES02800 said...
September 22, 2012 at 10:39 a.m.
fairmon said...

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution bothered to do what hasn't been done often enough since voter ID laws were enacted in a number of states: It looked at actual minority voting patterns in one such state: Georgia. Georgia's voter ID law took effect five years ago.

Encouragingly, the hysterical predictions of minority voter suppression failed to pan out -- and how.

The newspaper's analysis found that "Turnout among black and Hispanic voters increased from 2006 to 2010, dramatically outpacing population growth for those groups over the same period." From the 2006 election, before the law took effect, to the 2010 election, the black vote increased by 44 percent. It spiked in 2008 with the election of Barack Obama. But "Still, a far greater share of black voters turned out in 2010 than in 2006, showing that Obama was not the only factor driving turnout," the paper reported.

Interesting. The affect may be the oppositie of the predictions. Georgia may be about to change colors on the blue and red map.

September 22, 2012 at 10:40 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Shame on Tennessee Republicans. . . Students have a right to vote:

“In Tennessee, a new law requiring voters to show photo identification at the polls explicitly excludes student IDs.

In Wisconsin, college students are newly disallowed from using university-provided housing lists or corroboration from other students to verify their residence.

Florida's reduction in early voting days is expected to reduce the number of young and first-time voters there.

And Pennsylvania's voter identification bill, still on the books for now, disallows many student IDs and non-Pennsylvania driver's licenses, which means out-of-state students may be turned away at the polls.

In 2008, youth voter turnout was higher that it had been since Vietnam, and overwhelmingly for Barack Obama. This time around, the GOP isn't counting solely on disillusionment to keep the student vote down.

In the last two years, Republican-controlled state legislatures have passed dozens of bills that erect new barriers to voting, all targeting Democratic-leaning groups, many specifically aimed at students. The GOP's stated rationale is to fight voter fraud. But voter fraud -- and especially in-person fraud which many of these measures address -- is essentially nonexistent.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/22/voter-id-laws-gop-college-student_n_1791568.html

September 22, 2012 at 10:43 a.m.
whatsthefuss said...

What makes this entire argument about people not being provided free I.D. by the government so ridiculous is the fact that when our children were born, they left the hospital with a piece of paper that was called a "Certificate of Live Birth." There isn't much you can do with this piece of paper unless you use it to purchase a "Birth Certificate" from the state your child was born in. You are given the opportunity to apply for a Social Security card for your newborn before you checkout with your new bundle of joy though all done by the hospital free of charge without providing a "Birth Certificate" though. Try doing that after you leave the hospital without providing a "Birth Certificate.? I was shocked when we attempted to enroll our children in public school and were denied the right all because we only had provided a "Certificate of Live Birth." A phone call to the state was easy enough after finding the information on the web and the problem was solved but it wasn't free. Make sure you buy extra copies too because many groups including sports associations require an original copy and they do not return the copy provided. Something about 18 year old kids playing on 12 year old teams. And they are not free as some suggest we taxpayers should provide to poor black citizens who must look in the bible every year to remind them what day their birthday really is? Now that is just Crazy Talk from a Crazy Person that never ever had to provide any ID to the bank they keep their money in. Hey alpo, when you croak do they get to keep your money since they only know you by your face? Just sayin!

September 22, 2012 at 10:43 a.m.
conservative said...

Dead democrats tend to vote for the first democrat on the ballot.

September 22, 2012 at 10:44 a.m.
degage said...

Mt, Our grocery store ID"s everyone even the seniors when they purchase alcohol or cigs. So your post is kind of out of steam.do you realize how easy it is to get a voter registration card that isn't legit. Just ask any acorn member and they will tell you, they are famous for voter fraud.

September 22, 2012 at 10:44 a.m.
ricardo said...

The only good Republican is a dead Republican. But with Mitt Romney, how can you tell the difference?

September 22, 2012 at 10:46 a.m.
fairmon said...

ML posted.....

a 93-year-old who doesn't have a driver's license or Social Security card and uses a wheelchair to get around, who typifies a group that is likely to be adversely affected by the law. . .”

I wonder just how huge that typical group might be? Most laws have a way of accommodating people like that and I bet PA does also. I don't care enough to check it out.

September 22, 2012 at 10:46 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

deegage: Acorn? Vater fraud?? Surely not..

Sen. Harry Reid....isn't it time to out your source re Mitt's non pmt of taxes? Hmmm?

September 22, 2012 at 10:46 a.m.
fairmon said...

dougmusn ask....

why is this not an impeachable offense?

Good post at 9:44 a.m. and a good question. As long as there remains the ability to borrow and print money there will be no default and no indication of a problem. LBJ moved the fund and taxes into the general fund and it is now just part of all spending. Actually social security in it's present form will be solvent for several more years. The same is not true of medicare and medicaid...they are broke and digging the hole deeper daily. Politicians like to lump them all together which is misleading.

September 22, 2012 at 11:05 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Harp3339 said: “I don't care enough to check it out.”

You’re beginning to sound a lot like Mitt Romney, Harp3339.

Harp3339 said: Most laws have a way of accommodating people like that and I bet PA does also.

C’mon, Harp3339. Take a few minutes and post these laws for all to see. Personally, I believe you’re overestimating the good intent and integrity of these Republican politicians and underestimating the concern of the bureaucrats working for these Republican politicians:

Local Example: A few weeks ago, the mother of a friend of mine tried to get a new driver’s license because she had moved in with one of her daughters who lived in another State. As I understand it, the mother has a current driver’s license and had been a licensed driver for 30 years, but was told that in order to get the license in the new State she needed her birth certficate, social security info and any documents involving name changes from her birth name.

The mother had anticipated the need for her birth certificate and social security information and had these documents on hand to give to the DMV clerk, but she unaware that she would also need copies of her marriage certificates and divorce papers. Anyway, when the mother contacted the state agencies involved to obtain the additional documents requested by the DMV, she was told there was a huge backlog and there would be a 5 to 6 month waiting period before she could obtained the documents she needed to get her driver’s license – and voter ID.

September 22, 2012 at 11:54 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

For nine days, the Obama administration made a case that virtually everyone understood was untrue: that the killing of our ambassador and three other Americans in Benghazi, Libya, was a random, spontaneous act of individuals upset about an online video—an unpredictable attack on a well-protected compound that had nothing do to with the eleventh anniversary of 9/11. A White House in disarray.

These claims were wrong. Every one of them. But the White House pushed them hard.

September 22, 2012 at 12:01 p.m.
fairmon said...

mountainlaurel said...

Good commentary today in the NYT on this issue – “Voter Harrassment, Circa 2012."

Can you beleive it, the NY Times taking a liberal view of something? A steady diet of the NY Times, Vanity Fair and a couple of other publications and CNN could warp the mind of a sane person, as could FOX news and their favorite publications.

September 22, 2012 at 12:02 p.m.
fairmon said...

ML said...

C’mon, Harp3339. Take a few minutes and post these laws for all to see. Personally, I believe you’re overestimating the good intent and integrity of these Republican politicians and underestimating the concern of the bureaucrats working for these Republican politicians:

Maybe I am but the issue does not concern me enough to get in a dither over it. It will not affect the election results. What if the law only applied to those age 50 and under? Or under their social security eligibility age?

I want to hear the specific plans from either candidate they will take to reduce spending, eliminate the deficit and begin paying down the debt and increase job opportunities. Neither of them has come close to doing that. I would prefer knowing who they would select to be on their staff, including cabinet positions.

I would like to see every able bodied person working then we can afford to feed, shelter, cloth and treat those unable to do anything. I am not inclined to support maintaining the living style to which anyone may have at some point become accustomed.

September 22, 2012 at 12:16 p.m.
ricardo said...

Here ya go Jack_Dennass:

http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/09/22/film-protests-benghazi-idINL5E8KM1RQ20120922

I guess all Muslims are not the same, huh?

September 22, 2012 at 12:28 p.m.
hambone said...

Dead people voting = poll worker fraud.

Not voter fraud!

September 22, 2012 at 12:59 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

NEVER said or indicated they were all the same. In fact, I've said on this forum it was time for the moderate muslims to step up. Weak try, goat breath.

September 22, 2012 at 1:05 p.m.
miraweb said...

Boys and girls, gather round! - Let Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted show you how the big boys discriminate against African American voters

Excerpts from various Ohio newspapers:

More Registered Voters than Adults

On Aug. 30, Judicial Watch Inc. and True the Vote, an organization associated with the tea party movement, filed a lawsuit against Husted, saying he did not adequately maintain the state's voter registration list.

Judicial Watch also reported there were some Ohio counties that had more people listed on voter registration rolls than there were adults, according to the U.S. Census Bureau. Typically only 71 percent of eligible voters register to vote, according to the group.

In Sandusky County, 89 percent of all adults were registered to vote, assuming the list was accurate.


Order Election Officials to Ignore Federal Court Rulings

More recently, Husted’s office has been flooded with criticism over his directive limiting voting hours in spite of requests from multiple election boards to stay open on weekends. He’s also in hot water with a federal judge after he resisted a court order to restore voting hours on the last weekend before Election Day — although Husted ultimately backed down after the judge ordered him to appear in court.


Delay, Delay, Delay

U.S. District Judge Economus last week rejected a request by Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted to delay enforcement of his decree until the federal appeals court in Cincinnati and then, potentially, the U.S. Supreme Court reviews the case.


Start Firing Election Officials

A handful of legal points dominated the testimony. Lieberman and Ritchie continued to argue that Husted’s Aug. 15 directive setting weekdays only as “regular business hours” for county boards of election constituted the minimum hours that were allowed, but did not preclude them from adding weekend early voting hours.

It was the Aug. 17 vote by Lieberman and Ritchie to add those hours that led Husted to remove them. Ohio Director of Elections Matt Damschroder, who reports to Husted, testified Friday that the directive was clear in allowing only weekday early voting, and that Lieberman and Ritchie made a “willful decision” to violate the directive.

Lieberman said he believed Husted’s directive would be discriminatory, citing voting research that weekend voting was used most by African-Americans. He pointed out that the same oath that requires him to enforce Husted’s directives also mandates that he uphold the Constitution.

And there is still plenty of time to short African American districts on voting machines, use cops to intimidate voters at the polls, and don't forget those electronic and absentee votes that can help those numbers come out "right" on election day!

September 22, 2012 at 1:33 p.m.
prairie_dog said...

So, the Democratic position is to accept dishonesty as a way of life because, why not?

And the Republican position is to fight fraud when it goes against their cause.

This country is a pretty screwed up place because we have lost our basic values of truth, justice and fair play. And our basic values of individual responsibility for self-support and family cohesiveness.

You should ALL be ashamed of yourselves and stop complaining about each other. It's what you wanted, and what you have created, and now it's what you have to deal with. ENJOY IT.

September 22, 2012 at 1:39 p.m.
miraweb said...

Oh - and Husted thinks that too many folks are getting valid IDs and wants to change that again to "streamline" it.

Clarifying, Husted acknowledged that Ohioans can present up to 12 forms of identification at the polls, and that “we need to streamline” that process, and he’s “quite confident the legislature is going to take that up.”

In addition to a state issued identification card, Ohio law currently allows additional forms of voter identification to vote such as a military ID, utility bill, paycheck, and other options.

These additional forms of ID are crucial because reports have shown many Americans do not have access to valid state issued identification.

According to a study by the Brennan Center for Justice, nearly 18% of Americans over age 65 and up to one in four African Americans may lack a valid state issued identification card.

September 22, 2012 at 1:45 p.m.
degage said...

Al, I do not believe you. I worked at the bank 30 yrs ago and to comply to gov laws we were required to have legal ID on file. your bank also has to comply to the CIP rule. You see, should your bank go under you will be let in the lurch since they do not have any Identification on file that you are you. The fed will have a problem with the fact your bank has not complied with the law, It could take yrs for you to retreive you money from the Fed.

September 22, 2012 at 1:53 p.m.
miraweb said...

I could see why folks who live in tree-lined communities with a short commute and easy access to banks could have a hard time understanding why certain things might be discriminatory.

No weekend voting - eliminates votes from people who can't leave their weekday jobs or who work a long way from where they live and may not be able to make the commute in time. Minorities and the poor often have much longer commutes and employers who are not understanding about a day off to vote.

Requiring state-issued ID - eliminates voting from those who have to choose between the cost of the id and meeting other basic needs. It is also an additional burden for those who primarily take public transport and may not have ever have needed a drivers license.

Redlining has been so common that many minorities don't use traditional banking because too often, they have not been able to. Ever wonder why there are so many "check cashing" and "payday loan" outlets in poor neighborhoods?

It also creates an additional burden for those with disabilities (no license if you have epilepsy) and for the elderly.

September 22, 2012 at 1:55 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

The more I read ALPO, the more convinced I am that he's Mira in drag.

September 22, 2012 at 1:57 p.m.
miraweb said...

I can believe Alprova's claim. Opening a bank account a few years back was pretty trivial. Only recently have federal tracking laws made that harder.

I once deposited a very large check at my own bank. I can tell you that every visit afterwards I was greeted by my first name and never again asked to show my ID.

Banks do remember some customers.

September 22, 2012 at 1:57 p.m.
miraweb said...

Naw - I have better legs.

September 22, 2012 at 1:58 p.m.
fairmon said...

It doesn't change my position of not caring one way or the other, ID or no ID is OK by me, it won't change a national election. But, I believe alprova needs no ID with the length of time at his bank. I suspect it is a local community bank that knows most of their clients. I am sure they have his social security number and will know who he is if they go bankrupt. I have not been asked for an ID to cash a check at my bank unless it is a new cashier, I actually appreciate the precaution. Those I have made some sizable deposits with, enough they have to do the paper work and report it, don't ask for an ID or why if I am making a withdrawal. I like my bank and the service they give in person and on line.

September 22, 2012 at 2:24 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

harp: In ALPO's mind, he needs no ID anywhere. He's nationwide.

September 22, 2012 at 2:27 p.m.
fairmon said...

I have had Dr's office clerk ask me for license or other picture ID and insurance cards before seeing the DR. I guess those without an ID also have no health care insurance or ID so their DR. visit can be filed through the states indigent care process? I am not familiar with the law but I doubt it requires care without identifying the individual?

September 22, 2012 at 2:31 p.m.
fairmon said...

Jack_Dennis said...

harp: In ALPO's mind, he needs no ID anywhere. He's nationwide.

I know alprova is full of himself and has an ego just short of Obama's and Romney's. But, I think he is sincere although I often don't agree with him and I often think his logic and conclusions are flawed. I don't have a favorite party while alprova seems to see a conspiracy or a bad person with evil intent in every republican and is blind to any democrats short coming. I can't say he is not truthful although he can really get under my skin with some of his opinionated post but know I may have the same affect on him with some of my non-traditional neither party thinking.

September 22, 2012 at 2:40 p.m.
degage said...

No license Mira . they can get an ID card to take the place of the license. wake up girl. Hope you find your way back from space I hate to think you will be lost forever. As I all ready stated 30 yrs ago it was the law to get legal ID. Nothing has changed. When I go to the bank they know me but to open a new account they made a copy of my ID to go into their files. Try to get a grip and stop spinning you will get dizzy.

September 22, 2012 at 2:42 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

harp: You're more tolerant than I. If there's anything that I can't stand, it's a blow-hard know it all like ALPO.

September 22, 2012 at 3:49 p.m.
hambone said...

GOOD LORD!!!

September 22, 2012 at 4:01 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Walden @ 2:50: The Onion article is brilliant. Says a mouthful.

September 22, 2012 at 5:02 p.m.
ricardo said...

Romney to travel back in time to kill liberal versions of himself:

http://www.theonion.com/video/romney-to-travel-back-in-time-to-kill-liberal-vers,27788/

September 22, 2012 at 5:20 p.m.
miraweb said...

Looks like Sarah Palin has finally kicked her way loose from the basement supply closet at the Tampa Marriott.

"With so much at stake in this election, both Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan should 'go rogue' and not hold back from telling the American people the true state of our economy and national security."

She's BaaAAck . . .

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/palin-romney-ryan-go-rogue_652911.html

September 22, 2012 at 6:09 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

The only good Muslim is a dead Muslim. But with Obama, who can tell the difference?

September 22, 2012 at 6:09 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Obama’s Shaky Libya Narrative

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/09/21/obama-s-shaky-libya-narrative.html

Instead of standing up for free speech, the liberals go and apologize to the muzzies.

September 22, 2012 at 6:13 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Nevada Republican to Harry Reid: Make our day, release your 2011 tax return

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2012/sep/21/nevada-republican-harry-reid-make-our-day-release-/

Let's see who the real tax cheat is!

September 22, 2012 at 6:19 p.m.
ricardo said...

Toecheese said..."Obama’s Shaky Libya Narrative

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/09/21/obama-s-shaky-libya-narrative.html

Instead of standing up for free speech, the liberals go and apologize to the muzzies."

http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/02/29/434655/gingrich-bush-obama-apology-quran/?mobile=nc

September 22, 2012 at 6:26 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Harp3339 said: "A steady diet of the NY Times, Vanity Fair and a couple of other publications and CNN could warp the mind of a sane person etc."

Sure, sure, Harp3339. I'll continue reading and you can continue "Eastwooding."

September 22, 2012 at 6:30 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Tiny noogies. Same ole lil Easy. Thanks for that incisive contribution.

September 22, 2012 at 6:38 p.m.
miraweb said...

Romney's Beverly Hills fundraiser this evening somehow got left off his official schedule until this afternoon.

News outlets are scrambling to keep up:

Presidential candidate Mitt Romney is heading to Beverly Hills this evening.

Like most presidential candidates who come through town, he's looking for campaign money not votes. He is scheduled to speak to a fundraiser at a luxury hotel near Del Mar owned by San Diego newspaper publisher Doug Manchester right about now. Afterward, he'll be heading up to Beverly Hills for a 5 pm fundraiser at the Hilton, according to City News Service.

Any other details about Romney's Beverly Hills trip are hard to come by at this time. CNS said the campaign hasn't responded to requests for information. The Beverly Hills police said that on the one hand, they will help reporters cover the fundraiser, but on the other hand they wouldn't release any details about the event to CNS.

http://laist.com/2012/09/22/mitt_romney_heads_to_beverly_hills.php

September 22, 2012 at 6:58 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

mira: So.

September 22, 2012 at 7:08 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Aunt Rosie seems to be tracking Romney's every movement. Reading to the point of blindness Romney's tax returns etc....

Why not give the current president the same scrutiny since his decisions actually have an impact on peoples' lives?

Did you track Obama's every move and report every detail when he was a candidate? Where were the tough questions for ol' Barry?

September 22, 2012 at 7:21 p.m.
miraweb said...

Yeah, Toes - I am an informed voter. Give it a try.

More trouble for the Romney campaign - filling seats is getting harder to do.

Last Wednesday - Miami, FL

Salinas said both campaigns were given tickets to Wednesday’s forum, which was held at the University of Miami.

But while the Obama campaign had no problem filling the seats with student supporters, Team Romney could not find enough Republicans on campus.

Facing the prospect of empty seats, the Romney campaign told the network that if they weren’t allowed to bring in outsiders they might have to “reschedule,” Salinas said.

Next Tuesday - Dayton, OH

The Mitt Romney campaign announced several changes to the Republican candidate’s upcoming visit to the Miami Valley.

Romney’s running mate Paul Ryan will join the former Massachusetts governor on the grounds of the Dayton International Airport Tuesday.

Kettering’s Trent Arena was the original visit site.


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/election-2012/mitt-romney-stacked-audience-univision-forum-republican-activists-campaign-find-student-supporters-university-miami-moderator-maria-elenas-salinas-claims-article-1.1165534

http://www.whiotv.com/news/news/local/romney-changes-local-visit-plans/nSH4r/

September 22, 2012 at 7:31 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

I just read a story about The people of Libya storming the compounds of the militias responsible for the terrorist attacks resulting in the the murder of four Americans. If indeed true, this is a good sign that the population at large in that country have had enough. If indeed true, I retract my earlier comment regarding Muslims in general.

September 22, 2012 at 7:40 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Well golly Rosie! I'd bet you didn't stick a thermometer up Obama's azz like you do Romney's. You're only informing yourself on one side! You're not voting for Romney anyway, so I'm not buying this "informed voter" crap. If you were truly an informed voter, you would never vote for Obama.

All you're doing is desperately looking for a smoking gun or a gotcha' moment to exploit for the sole purpose of bashing Romney.

Informed voter....HAHAHAHA!!! You're a funny girl!!

September 22, 2012 at 7:47 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

So what's the big deal? It's already been proven that colleges are nothing more than liberal/progressive(communist) indoctrination centers. Why does that surprise you?

The fact is that Obama's crowds are much smaller than they were the first time around. The Panthers fill their stadium every home game, Obama couldn't do it even once.

September 22, 2012 at 7:53 p.m.
miraweb said...

Just can't get one by you, Toes.

September 22, 2012 at 7:55 p.m.
fairmon said...

miraweb....

Have you ever considered trying to gain votes for Obama by telling us how great he is and what about his actions since he has been in office that makes him our best choice. You aren't influencing anyone by bashing Romney about such trivial things as both parties have used thus far. What will he do and specificly how will he do it. I was taken in by the promise to cut the deficit in half, reduce unemployment to levels like we had pre-crash, close gitmo the first year while he blamed Bush for high gas prices. So, I opt to not vote for either bumble or rumble this time rather than be "had" again unless you have convincing reasons not yet seen.

September 22, 2012 at 8:15 p.m.
fairmon said...

Negative campaigning by an incumbent means they don't have a record to brag about so they have to paint the challenger to be uglier than they are. The challenger with no specific plan to address the issues important to people like a decent job and income has to paint the incumbent as incompetent. As you watch the ads by both parties you will know why I say there is no reason to try to decide, the results will be similar regardless of who wins. DOES 1/3/07 MEAN ANYTHING TO ANYONE?

September 22, 2012 at 8:19 p.m.
tderng said...

miraweb...this just in.Romney had a bowel movement at 8:05pm.Hidden camera by a democratic supporter of this disgusting republican event shows that it was tapered on both ends.

September 22, 2012 at 8:21 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

tderng: LMFAO!!

September 22, 2012 at 8:24 p.m.
alprova said...

degage wrote: "Al, I do not believe you."

So? Am I supposed to care what you believe?

"I worked at the bank 30 yrs ago and to comply to gov laws we were required to have legal ID on file."

I assure you Sir, that I opened my first account with my bank nearly 40 years ago, long before I even had a driver's license.

"your bank also has to comply to the CIP rule."

The CIP rule went into effect in 2004 as part of the Patriot Act, and it applies to newly opened accounts by new customers.

"You see, should your bank go under you will be let in the lurch since they do not have any Identification on file that you are you."

Like I stated, I have a 40 year history with that bank. I've had four or five private accounts over the years. I've had three business accounts. All were opened without showing my I.D.

I've taken out about a dozen loans, all of which I obtained without even submitting an application for one of them. I signed the contracts and was on my way.

"The fed will have a problem with the fact your bank has not complied with the law, It could take yrs for you to retreive you money from the Fed."

Apparently, the tightening of the rules apply to new customers. I've never been asked to provide any identification in order to conduct business that I have with my bank.

I happen to be a shareholder of the bank. I know that there is little danger of the bank foundering. But if it did, I would then gladly pull out my photographic I.D. to prove who I am to the appointed FDIC representative and then would be reimbursed like everyone else.

September 22, 2012 at 9:41 p.m.
patriot1 said...

Alpo is special

September 22, 2012 at 9:48 p.m.
alprova said...

Whatsthefuss wrote: "And they are not free as some suggest we taxpayers should provide to poor black citizens who must look in the bible every year to remind them what day their birthday really is? Now that is just Crazy Talk from a Crazy Person that never ever had to provide any ID to the bank they keep their money in. Hey alpo, when you croak do they get to keep your money since they only know you by your face? Just sayin!"

My wife is co-owner of every account. Whether I am alive or not, she can do whatever she wants with anything in any of my accounts, and she too is known very well by all the employees of the bank, so I would anticipate that she would have no problem at all in claiming the accounts if I go to meet my maker.

September 22, 2012 at 9:50 p.m.
alprova said...

miraweb wrote: "Naw - I have better legs."

;')

September 22, 2012 at 9:52 p.m.
Walden said...

Alprova - your "maker?" Who or what might that be?

September 22, 2012 at 9:55 p.m.
alprova said...

Walden inquired: "Alprova - your "maker?" Who or what might that be?"

You've never been aware of that expression before?

I thought it was common knowledge that everyone was manufactured.

September 22, 2012 at 10:08 p.m.
alprova said...

Jack_Dennis wrote: "In ALPO's mind, he needs no ID anywhere. He's nationwide."

I've never stated anything of the sort.

Try and concentrate for just a moment, if you are able to do so.

Even under current banking rules, banks can STILL open accounts for new customers who are unable to provide photographic identification.

The rules state that in the absense of a photographic I.D., the bank is allowed to consider "reasonable and practical" forms of documentation to prove that the person opening an account is who they claim they are.

September 22, 2012 at 10:19 p.m.
alprova said...

Patriot1 wrote: "Alpo is special"

I'm not special at all, but I am quite loyal.

September 22, 2012 at 10:25 p.m.
Walden said...

Al, you dingbat, you didn't answer my question...

September 22, 2012 at 10:28 p.m.
alprova said...

Walden wrote: "Al, you dingbat, you didn't answer my question..."

You were serious about that?

September 22, 2012 at 10:56 p.m.
Walden said...

Yes Al

September 22, 2012 at 11:02 p.m.
fairmon said...

1/3/2007?

September 22, 2012 at 11:23 p.m.
dude_abides said...

TOES02800 said... "The only good Muslim is a dead Muslim. But with Obama, who can tell the difference?"

Spoken like a true republican dirt bag. I wish there were a way to get people like you together with the ignorant Islamic extremists so that you could just obliterate each other. Those two sentences aren't even congruent. I can assure you your smug self confidence is misplaced.

September 22, 2012 at 11:39 p.m.
ricardo said...

harp3339 said..."1/3/2007?"

Wednesday

September 22, 2012 at 11:43 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

So some poor black person can come out of the hills, go to alpo's bank, open a bank account and get loans all day long. All without a valid photo I.D.

C'mon alpo, that's just silly talk.

September 22, 2012 at 11:52 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

ricardo the retardo said:

"The only good Republican is a dead Republican. But with Mitt Romney, how can you tell the difference"?

Spoken like a true liberal dirtbag! Wouldn't you agree duped?

September 22, 2012 at 11:55 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

The Anti-Anti-Islam Film TV Ad By US in Pakistan Repudiating Film

More apologies from the great ape.

September 23, 2012 at 12:13 a.m.
alprova said...

TOES20800 wrote: "So some poor black person can come out of the hills, go to alpo's bank, open a bank account and get loans all day long. All without a valid photo I.D. C'mon alpo, that's just silly talk."

Why do you find the need to twist my words?

If a younger poor black person were to pop into my bank and claim that they had no photographic I.D. available to them, they would be met with a dubious eye.

If a 60 year old black person were to come in with the same claim, they would be afforded some other means by which to prove their identity.

There are people in this nation, especially here in the deep south, who are aware of the historical tactics taken to exclude black people from society, and there are many black people left out there who were not afforded birth documentation issued by the state in which they were born in.

It has been estimated that somewhere around 18% of all elderly black people fall into this category.

September 23, 2012 at 3:38 a.m.
alprova said...

TOES02800 wrote: "More apologies from the great ape."

There ya' go with more proof that racism is coursing through your blood, you pathetic turd dropper.

It would be better for you to understand something that you cannot change, no matter how distressing it may be to you.

Barack Obama is the President of the United States of America. His place in American history will be preserved forever. Despite all that you and others do to tear the man down, he will triumph as a man who achieved many accomplishments as a two-term President.

Who the hell are you, and what have you done with your life to be in any position to judge him? You Sir are nothing more than a pimple on the butt of humanity.

Neither the President nor Secretary of State Hillary Clinton offered one word of apology in that advertisement, although I wouldn't find fault in either of them had they done so.

The bastard who should be apologiing for it, is too busy now hiding in fear, because a $100,000 bounty for his death has been issued.

Someone will probably get him too. It will be his own fault when it happens.

Free speech is a right in this nation, but nobody is guaranteed to be free from retribution or harm if they go too far with that free speech.

Remember the Dixie Chicks? They were the hottest Country group at one time, then they went too far one night when they decided to criticize President George Walker Bush in between songs.

The their popularity went to near zero overnight.

September 23, 2012 at 4:02 a.m.
dude_abides said...

No toes, he was showing how ridiculous you are.

September 23, 2012 at 9:43 a.m.
Lookingback said...

Photo Id is needed to ensure that no voter fraud is perpetrated against honest voters. Get the animals and dead people off the voting rolls and prevent them from damaging the system through absentee ballots.

September 24, 2012 at 1:48 p.m.
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