published Sunday, September 30th, 2012

The Main Event

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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Jack_Dennis said...

That's funny right there.

September 30, 2012 at 12:07 a.m.
carlB said...

I think the Republicans thought it would be the other way, by the way they have tried to "beat up" on President Obama and "dumb down" the voters.

September 30, 2012 at 1:48 a.m.
alprova said...

And people who dislike the President and the First Lady say they are not racist....wink...wink...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/colbert-king-racism-through-social-media/2012/09/28/3ddb1c86-0966-11e2-a10c-fa5a255a9258_print.html

September 30, 2012 at 4:16 a.m.
jesse said...

More like "some" people who dislike them are racist!

Like some people who dislike Romney are bigots about Mormons!

btw:Clay did good w/ this toon,one of his best!

September 30, 2012 at 6:14 a.m.
EaTn said...

From the earliest televised debate between Kennedy and Nixon, physical appearance definitely plays a key role in voter minds with the unshaven Nixon looking unkept to the fresh looking Kennedy. With Mitt being war-torn from playing catch-up on the campaign trail, shaking the haggard appearance with dark circled eyes will definitely be a challenge compared to a presidential looking Obama.

September 30, 2012 at 6:33 a.m.
AndrewLohr said...

"Let not him that girdeth on his harness boast himself as he that putteth it off." I'm not saying Romney will win, nor that he'll lose, the debates or the election, but at this point, who knows? Anyone who's sick of both him and Obama can vote for Gary Johnson or Virgil Goode, Libertarian or Constitution parties. (Part of a commercial for one of them: '...And if after four years [of an L or C administration] you're tired of peace, prosperity and freedom, you can always vote failure back in again.')

Is Mr Bennett racist against the tribe of Republicans--who freed the slaves and brought in all the real civil rights laws, before Martin Luther King was murdered and "civil rights" degenerated into reverse racism and quotas--in favor of Jeff Davis's clan?

September 30, 2012 at 6:37 a.m.
AndrewLohr said...

alprova's link to a Washington Post article, assuming everything the article says is true, does show that despicable racial hatred against President Obama exists. Repent, racists, God has made of one blood all nations, and Jesus is the only Savior (and His skin color may well have been similar to Mr Obama's.) It does not show him a good President; he's been a lousy President (deficits up, joblessness up, regulations up, freedom down, disregarding the rather libertarian-PERsonally generous politics of King Jesus). A white man who had governed that way would be just as lousy a President; Jimmy Carter was a lousy President too. (He's been a pretty good ex-President, though.) Repent, silly tyrants; liberalism--rich people like Mr Obama trying to run the lives of poor people for them--does not work; the poor are people too!

September 30, 2012 at 6:51 a.m.
MTJohn said...

AndrewLohr said..."A white man who had governed that way would be just as lousy a President; Jimmy Carter was a lousy President too."

Andrew - have you ever stopped to think that Jimmy Carter may well have been as good a president as he has been an ex-president and the real problem is that the rest of us are just lousy citizens?

The libertarian philosophy will not lead to peace, prosperity and freedom unless we put more emphasis on the personal responsibility component of that philosophy than on the personal freedom component. As Paul Harvey often said, "self government without self control won't work." We, the people, are too selfish to practice self control - that's all of us, including libertarians.

September 30, 2012 at 7:21 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

ALPO: So the WaPo cherry picks a few clowns. That's enough to paint all pubs as racist?
That's rich, Alpo. Even for you.

September 30, 2012 at 7:34 a.m.
patriot1 said...

The WaPo is just another left wing rag that would have us believe they, like a lot of leftists, have this uncanny ability to detect code words, hear dog whistles and see racism behind every tree. This is nothing more than the defensive technique of projection we learned in Psych 101.

September 30, 2012 at 7:44 a.m.
ricardo said...

Yes, all Repubes are racists.

September 30, 2012 at 7:51 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

grow up, little ricky

September 30, 2012 at 7:55 a.m.
GreenKepi said...

This is puzzling...Bennett and the 'faithful' will 'label' Romney in a heartbeat; however, you and “the Administration” will not 'label' the terrorists. Obama has continuously refused to label current events terrorism. Could one of you 'guru's'...please explain?

September 30, 2012 at 8:15 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Sure, GreenKepi: BHO (blessings on his name) doesn't want to remind voters that the war on terror is alive and kicking. He chooses to ignore away al-qaeda.

September 30, 2012 at 8:36 a.m.
joneses said...

Just another stupid, biased, immature, dishonest cartoon by a hate mongering fool.

September 30, 2012 at 8:42 a.m.
conservative said...

Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil. 1 John 3:8

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

September 30, 2012 at 8:51 a.m.
degage said...

One thing about this toon, Obama is standing in the ring with a really stupid look on his face. At least Clay got the stupid right.

One thing about Clay is he makes a good point for democrats to stay home and not vote, Why vote if Obama already won. Makes republicans want to get out and vote.

September 30, 2012 at 9:09 a.m.
alprova said...

conservative, do you need someone to pat you on the back or something?

Uh...you're kinda stuck in a bit of a groove for the past three days or so.

September 30, 2012 at 9:18 a.m.
fairmon said...

The match is on the fix is in one of the two parties represented will win the dollars slug fest. We have evolved to a bribery system of government with two parties leading the Lemmings. It would be interesting if no labels were allowed on the ballot, only the names without a (D), (R) or (I) by them. It is amusing how the electorate actually believe that electing one over the other will make a difference. Ross Perot was the last candidate as a choice outside the parties, since then they have both made it more difficult and expensive for anyone other than the two parties to participate. Any candidate outside the power gang of either party is ignored by the media and labeled a nut case or maverick by both parties and the media, they ignore them if possible.

Selecting the lesser of two evils means you have still selected evil. Both parties will try to convince you voting for anyone other than the two offered by the two parties is wasting your vote. It would be no more wasted than voting for either party. Enough people wasting their votes for someone not affiliated with either party would deliver a strong message. Too bad people are so afraid to take a risk they are willing to give up liberties and freedoms under the guise of being safer.

September 30, 2012 at 9:23 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Only in the propaganda filled world of the left is outrageous destructive behavior of a sitting president allowed to sit in the margins while all the attention is laser focused on every questionable comment of a challenger.

If Obama had been vetted with this level of energy he would have never gotten the nomination first time around. It is funny how the media is allowed to pick the outcome for us. They are trying to win this election for Obama. Will they succeed?

September 30, 2012 at 9:26 a.m.
alprova said...

GreenKepi wrote: "This is puzzling...Bennett and the 'faithful' will 'label' Romney in a heartbeat; however, you and “the Administration” will not 'label' the terrorists. Obama has continuously refused to label current events terrorism. Could one of you 'guru's'...please explain?"

Yeah, I'll be happy to explain. You're wrong.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2012/09/obama-talked-of-libya-attack-as-terror-weeks-ago-136812.html

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/09/12/remarks-president-deaths-us-embassy-staff-libya

September 30, 2012 at 9:26 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

BRP: Any objective citizen can see that the MSM is doing a disservice to our country. Any Objective citizen, that is.

September 30, 2012 at 9:34 a.m.
fairmon said...

This election is called a war by some. This cartoon shows one of the opponents as being dragged to the ring and indicates it will be no contest. We are a warring nation, we have been in some kind of war the entire life of most living today. Two world wars, the cold war, a conflict, the war on drugs, the war on poverty was even called guns and butter. It appears our economy may be dependent on being involved in some kind of war. We are either engaged in one or preparing for one to sustain those dependent on that work or we are spending fortunes to rebuild that which we destroyed in the war.

There is an option on the ballot other than Romney or Obama.

September 30, 2012 at 9:35 a.m.
GreenKepi said...

Alprova...Sure I am...Obama appears to be the only member of his administration still sticking to the original lie that the Benghazi attack was prompted by a video. The head of Obama’s National Counterterrorism Center, Jay Carney, and even Hillary Clinton have all admitted that the Benghazi attack was terrorism. But there was Obama Tuesday in the United Nations, still blaming the attack on the anti-Islam video posted on YouTube.

September 30, 2012 at 9:38 a.m.
MTJohn said...

BigRidgePatriot said..."Only in the propaganda filled world of the left is outrageous destructive behavior of a sitting president allowed to sit in the margins while all the attention is laser focused on every questionable comment of a challenger."

Only in the propaganda filled world of the right is President Obama's behavior considered destructive; were Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush considered to be great presidents; and, is Mitt Romney considered to be the champion and savior of the lower and middle classes.

September 30, 2012 at 9:42 a.m.
MTJohn said...

harp3339 said..."There is an option on the ballot other than Romney or Obama."

Yes, there is. Jill Stein.

September 30, 2012 at 9:44 a.m.
miraweb said...

I just hope Mitt remembers not to set his tanning booth to "pumpkin".

September 30, 2012 at 9:45 a.m.
MTJohn said...

Jack_Dennis said..."BRP: Any objective citizen can see that the MSM is doing a disservice to our country. Any Objective citizen, that is."

Jack - any objective citizen would understand that Fox News, Clear Channel, the Washington Times and the New York Post are MSM.

September 30, 2012 at 9:46 a.m.
EaTn said...

degage said...."One thing about Clay is he makes a good point for democrats to stay home and not vote, Why vote if Obama already won. Makes republicans want to get out and vote."

My guess is far more of the republicans will sit this election out. They'd rather have Obama four more years than to eat Romney crow for the next thirty years or so.

September 30, 2012 at 10:02 a.m.
ricardo said...

miraweb said..."I just hope Mitt remembers not to set his tanning booth to "pumpkin"." September 30, 2012 at 9:45 a.m.

If he wants to get the minority votes, he needs to set it between "Boehner" and "Oompa-Loompa".

September 30, 2012 at 10:06 a.m.
miraweb said...

Nice one, ricardo. Well said, Sir!

September 30, 2012 at 10:08 a.m.
MTJohn said...

conservative said..."Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil. 1 John 3:8

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." "

True, enough, Conservative. And, two corollaries to your post:

1) God's kingdom comes without our prayer or asking. As we pray for the kingdom to come among us, we also know that it will not happen as a consequence of national elections and it will not result in the annointing of the USA as the new Israel. 2) Christians have a duty to be responsible citizens. When we vote, we ought to be motivated by the law of love, with greater concern for the needs of our neighbors, especially those less fortunate than ourselves and we should set aside our own selfish desires.

September 30, 2012 at 10:12 a.m.
mymy said...

37 Days to Go!

It is still the economy/jobs/foreign policy/direction of country/National Security here/abroad and the growing debt.

Tick, Tock, Tick, Tock

Will be very telling how the lefties handle the debates:

As CBS News political director John Dickerson said Friday on "CBS This Morning," President Obama may have momentum on his side, but Mitt Romney has a shot at changing the dynamic of the race in the upcoming presidential debates.

Here's a look at what you need to know about the three presidential debates and the vice presidential debate:

October 3, 9 p.m. ET: Domestic Policy Moderator: PBS News Hour host and executive editor Jim Lehrer Location: University of Denver in Denver, Colorado Format: The 90-minute debate will be divided into six 15-minute segments on domestic policy topics selected by the moderator. Lehrer announced that there will be three segments on the economy, a discussion on health care, and a segment on the role of government and governing. Lehrer noted the subjects could change based on news developments.

October 11 Vice Presidential Debate, 9 p.m. ET: Foreign and Domestic Policy Moderator: ABC News chief foreign correspondent Martha Raddatz Location: Centre College in Danville, Kentucky Format: The 90-minute debate will be divided into nine 10-minute segments covering both foreign and domestic policy.

October 16, 9 p.m. ET: Foreign and Domestic Policy Moderator: CNN chief political correspondent Candy Crowley Location: Hofstra University in Hempstead, New York Format: This debate will be formatted as a town hall meeting. Undecided voters, selected by Gallup, will ask the candidates domestic and foreign policy questions.

October 22, 9 p.m. ET: Foreign Policy Moderator: CBS News chief Washington correspondent and host of "Face the Nation" Bob Schieffer Location: Lynn University in Boca Raton, Florida Format: The 90-minute debate will be divided into six 15-minute segments on foreign policy topics selected by the moderator.

September 30, 2012 at 10:20 a.m.
dude_abides said...

miraweb said... "I just hope Mitt remembers not to set his tanning booth to "pumpkin"."

HA! I think maybe Ann does it in his sleep, so that he has plausible deniability.

September 30, 2012 at 10:23 a.m.
ricardo said...

Debate prediction: Obama wins by a knockout in the first round. It's really not a fair fight, considering the month that Romney has had.

September 30, 2012 at 10:24 a.m.
miraweb said...

Amazingly bad political quote of the day:

I’ve expressed this to Todd as my client for a while now, I’ve expressed it to him directly . . . The first day or two where it was like the Waco with the David Koresh situation where they’re trying to smoke him out with the SWAT teams and the helicopters and the bad Nancy Sinatra records. Then here comes day two and you realize the guy’s not coming out of the bunker. Listen, Todd has shown his principle to the voters.

Missouri Senate Candidate Todd Akin's political consultant KellyAnne Conway in an interview with the Family Research Council

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/kevin-mcdermott/akin-consultant-compares-his-fortitude-to-cult-leader-david-koresh/article_42658a4a-0996-11e2-990d-0019bb30f31a.html

September 30, 2012 at 10:26 a.m.
dude_abides said...

lol, ricardo. Hey it looks like Obama may have taken the gloves off.

BHO-TKO, Jack_!

September 30, 2012 at 10:32 a.m.
tderng said...

ricardo said... Yes, all Repubes are racists.

must mean that all demonrats are lazy,gimme yours cause I won't try to get my own,liars and Obama cultists.

September 30, 2012 at 10:34 a.m.
ricardo said...
September 30, 2012 at 10:36 a.m.
ricardo said...

tderng said..."must mean that all demonrats are lazy,gimme yours cause I won't try to get my own,liars and Obama cultists." September 30, 2012 at 10:34 a.m.

Nah, terdng. I work hard and have a job and pay my taxes. I'm actually paying lower taxes since Obama has been president.

September 30, 2012 at 10:41 a.m.
ricardo said...

More bad news for Romney and conservatards:

http://www.newsday.com/elections/mitt-romney-s-path-to-victory-narrows-ap-analysis-shows-1.4057279

Bend over and grab your ankles, all of you narrow minded right wingnut idiots. You just got 4 more years of Obama. Enjoy. :)

September 30, 2012 at 10:46 a.m.
fairmon said...

The debates will probably be a draw with the main stream networks and CNN proclaiming Obama a unanimous winner with FOX declaring Romney an overshelming winner delivering a knock out punch. It is all part of the two parties conspirancy. Would you like to see congress seated in alpha order instead of separted by party by an aisle?

September 30, 2012 at 10:55 a.m.
fairmon said...

George Washington, John Adams and Jefferson were not supporters of a two party system. It has evolved to what they feared which amounts to a bribery system. Donations to candidates, lobbyist, and voting for the candidate will give me more from the public treasury? How do I get the best favored treatment and what will it cost? Bribery in the public sector is illegal, not so in politics if done by the rules.

September 30, 2012 at 11 a.m.
miraweb said...

PA Judge Reviewing ID Delays

In court on Thursday, Doris Clark, 68, who uses a cane and doesn't drive, testified about her confusing and frustrating quest for ID. She recalled hours-long waits and government mistakes that forced her to make three trips to PennDOT, the state agency that issues the IDs, and two trips to the U.S. Social Security Administration, one source of the necessary documents to secure the ID.

On her third visit a PennDOT worker turned her down because her maiden name is on her birth certificate but her married name is on her Social Security documents.

"I'm handicapped. I've done all that I can do and I can't vote," she testified about her reaction to the rejection.

Eventually, she got her card.

Frustration and resentment was evident on Thursday across the state at a Philadelphia PennDOT office that was packed with about 200 people seeking voter ID cards, most of them African American.

"It's discriminatory," said Antwoine McCoy, 34, who is on disability and was running out of patience after waiting more than an hour. "I have to get a new ID or they won't let me vote."

Raquel McCall, 43, stopped by to get ID on a break from her college financial counseling job but, seeing the slow progress inside the crowded office, turned around after 15 minutes and left empty-handed.

"I never saw anything like it," she said, noting she'd likely have to try again at another time.

http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/09/27/us-usa-campaign-pennsylvania-idINBRE88Q0Q820120927

September 30, 2012 at 11:02 a.m.
alprova said...

GreenKepi wrote: "Alprova...Sure I am...Obama appears to be the only member of his administration still sticking to the original lie that the Benghazi attack was prompted by a video."

No he isn't.

It was not a lie. Fox News has even backed off the claim that the White House was given any information to the contrary. That dispicable video most certainly played a part in what happened. How much is yet to be determined.

"The head of Obama’s National Counterterrorism Center, Jay Carney, and even Hillary Clinton have all admitted that the Benghazi attack was terrorism."

What difference does it make if the President doesn't use the word "terrorism" fifteen times during a press conference on the matter? Of course it was an act of terror and the President said so within 24 hours, as my links prove.

Four Americans are just as dead regadless of who or what led to the events leading up to the attack.

"But there was Obama Tuesday in the United Nations, still blaming the attack on the anti-Islam video posted on YouTube."

It was not until late Friday that Director of National Intelligence James Clapper put out a statement that he was the person who related to the Obama administration officials that the initial claim that the attack was spontaneous was based on intelligence officials' guidance.

Friday. The matter is still under investigation.

September 30, 2012 at 11:10 a.m.
miraweb said...

Backlash developing in Ohio over voter suppression

On a hip-hop radio station in northeast Ohio, a swing state where turnout among black voters may decide the presidential election, listeners are being exhorted to vote this year — not just for a candidate, but to send a message.

. . . some Democratic strategists fretted that blacks, troubled by continued economic woes or President Obama’s support for gay marriage, might turn out at lower rates than in 2008.

Those fears have eased.

A September poll by the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press found that black voters are as enthusiastic now as they were at this point in 2008. And the sense that voting rights are under siege may be a contributing factor.

http://articles.boston.com/2012-09-29/nation/34149198_1_black-voters-voter-identification-requirements-minority-voters

September 30, 2012 at 11:20 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Gravy train alpo! the biggest fuc#wad racist liar on the forum! Typical liberal/socialist/Marxist,aszwipe! Fuc#ing racist punk.

September 30, 2012 at 11:23 a.m.
mymy said...

Something both sides should hear: neither escapes his critique. (speech and Q&A)

Pat Caddell: Media Have Become An 'Enemy Of The American People

In recent remarks to an AIM (Accuracy in Media) conference, "ObamaNation: A Day of Truth," former Democratic pollster and analyst Pat Caddell said, "I think we're at the most dangerous time in our political history in terms of the balance of power in the role that the media plays in whether or not we maintain a free democracy."

Caddell noted that while First Amendment protections were originally provided to the press so they would protect the liberty and freedom of the public from "organized governmental power," they had clearly relinquished the role of impartial news providers.

Nowhere was this more evident than during the tragic death of a U.S. ambassador in Libya that was lied about for nine days, because the press and the administration did not want to admit it was a terrorist attack.

"We've had nine days of lies over what happened because they can't dare say it's a terrorist attack, and the press won't push this," said Caddell. "Yesterday there was not a single piece in The New York Times over the question of Libya. Twenty American embassies, yesterday, are under attack. None of that is on the national news. None of it is being pressed in the papers."

Caddell added that it is one thing for the news to have a biased view, but "It is another thing to specifically decide that you will not tell the American people information they have a right to know."

http://nation.foxnews.com/pat-cadell/2012/09/29/pat-caddell-media-have-become-enemy-american-people

September 30, 2012 at 11:25 a.m.
ricardo said...

This guy is a total buffoon:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoAL4c7uneE

September 30, 2012 at 11:25 a.m.
ricardo said...

This guy is a total buffoon:

September 30, 2012 at 11:31 a.m.
ricardo said...

Corporations are people my friend:

September 30, 2012 at 11:34 a.m.
alprova said...

TOES02800 wrote: "Gravy train alpo! the biggest fuc#wad racist liar on the forum! Typical liberal/socialist/Marxist,aszwipe! Fuc#ing racist punk."

Is something bothering you today?

Were you one of those Facebook posters?

I noticed something very familiar in one of them.

And I am the racist?

That's very funny.

September 30, 2012 at 11:34 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Ask these people if Obama is the job creator in chief.

Real Unemployment Reaches 20% In 7 Colorado Counties

http://thecoloradoobserver.com/2012/09/real-unemployment-reaches-20-in-7-colorado-counties/

September 30, 2012 at 11:36 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

You are a racist. If congress ever passed a CRA that only helped whites get help with obtaining mortgages, you would say that was racism. Admit it.

September 30, 2012 at 11:39 a.m.
mymy said...

Obama trying to pull the wool over your eyes----again.

The Obama campaign doesn't want thousands of defense workers to REALIZE they are about to be laid-off until the election is over.

Obama administration tells contractors again: Don’t issue layoff notices.

Issues another guidance:

“The guidance said that if plant closings or mass layoffs occur under sequestration, then “employee compensation costs for [Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification] WARN act liability as determined by a court” would be paid for covered by the contracting federal agency.” (our tax dollars he loves to spend to win an election)

“Senate Republicans, who accused the White House of trying to hide job losses after the first guidance, said Friday that the new OMB statement “puts politics ahead of American workers.”

“The Obama Administration is cynically trying to skirt the WARN Act to keep the American people in the dark about this looming national security and fiscal crisis,” Sens. John McCain (R-Ariz.), Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) and Kelly Ayotte (R-N.H.) said in a statement. “The president should insist that companies act in accordance with the clearly stated law and move forward with the layoff notices.”

The fight over WARN Act notices began in June when Lockheed Martin CEO Bob Stevens said his company might send the notices to all 123,000 of its employees.

Some companies were hesitant to follow Lockheed, but several others told McCain in letters earlier this month they might send the notices, too, despite the Labor Department guidance.

http://thehill.com/blogs/defcon-hill/industry/259305-omb-tells-contractors-once-again-dont-issue-layoff-notices

September 30, 2012 at 11:51 a.m.
stanleyyelnats said...

Give Willard his SOLIDS of 191.....

Then Willard must win Florida. -29

... and Virginia. -13

... and North Carolina. -15

... and Iowa. -6

... and Wisconsin. -10

... and Colorado. -9

If Willard misses even one state then Willard is toast.

OK, I gotta go... I smell toast burning in the kitchen.

September 30, 2012 at 11:58 a.m.
miraweb said...

Toes - we are all aware that the world is a dangerous place right now and has been for more than a decade.

The question will always be: is Mitt Romney really up to the job?

So far, his foreign policy chops just don't seem to measure up.

September 30, 2012 at 11:59 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

"Everybody in Cleveland, all the minorities got a phone. Keep Obama president, you know, he gave us a phone, he'll give us more."

Typical Obama voter. AKA the Obamaphone lady.

"he'll give us more". So much for, "Ask NOT what your country can do......"

September 30, 2012 at 12:01 p.m.
ricardo said...

If Romney becomes president:

September 30, 2012 at 12:01 p.m.
stanleyyelnats said...

President up in Ohio by 10 points.... NO Republican, let me repeat NO Republican has ever won without OHIO! NONE.

The election is underway. Voting is taking place even as I clickety click on my keyboard....

Willard is toast. 4 more years... Enjoy. I KNOW I will..... !

September 30, 2012 at 12:03 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

HAHA. How's Obama's foreign policy working for you? He refuses to meet with ANY leader, sweeps foreign affairs under the rug and blames everybody else for his failures. Does that sound presidential to you? If it does, you should have your voter registration revoked.

September 30, 2012 at 12:07 p.m.
alprova said...

TOES02800 wrote: "You are a racist."

Calling me a racist only proves that you do not know the definition of the word.

Racism is defined as someone holding the inherant belief that one race of people is intellectually or physically superior to all other races of people.

Have you ever seen me express anything that would define me as a racist?

"If congress ever passed a CRA that only helped whites get help with obtaining mortgages, you would say that was racism. Admit it."

White people have never experienced mortgage discimination in this nation, so what you propose is totally unrealistic, so why even offer it as an argument?

Black people all across this nation have indeed experienced discrimination when availing themselves of our financial institutions, especially when it comes to obtaining approval for mortgages.

The CRA was passed to force banks to play fair. Of course, that didn't happen, because black people in high numbers had loans shoved under their noses containing teaser rates with balloon payments on the end of them, or fixed rate loans with much higher interest rates, or even worse, adjustable rate mortgages that were not explained thoroughly to them, thus increasing the chance that these people would not be able to pay for their homes.

People like yourself would just love to convince others that they hold no harm against people of color, but every single time an issue crops up that exposes the rampant discrimination and abuse of minorities, here you'all come a' runnin' with rhetoric that only proves what pathetic people you truly are.

Th fact remains that the CRA *DID assist people of color to gain ground in getting approval for mortgages that have allowed more of them to purchase homes that they own.

Therefore, if those block of mortgages are being blamed for the collapse of the housing market, why not admit the simple fact that one who does blame the CRA for the housing mess is blaming black people, who only desired to own their humble abodes, for the killing of the housing market?

September 30, 2012 at 12:08 p.m.
ricardo said...

TOES02800 said..."Everybody in Cleveland, all the minorities got a phone. Keep Obama president, you know, he gave us a phone, he'll give us more."

Typical Obama voter. AKA the Obamaphone lady.

"he'll give us more". So much for, "Ask NOT what your country can do......" September 30, 2012 at 12:01 p.m.

Ignorant Repubes:

September 30, 2012 at 12:08 p.m.
ricardo said...

TOECHEESE said..."Does that sound presidential to you? If it does, you should have your voter registration revoked." September 30, 2012 at 12:07 p.m.

Don't worry, your Repube agents in Florida are working on it.

September 30, 2012 at 12:11 p.m.
miraweb said...

A Word From Romney's Friends - OR - When Republicans Eat Their Young:

President Obama and his comrades are beating Romney with baseball bats and Mitt seems to be waiting for some nonexistent referee to come in and enforce the Marquis of Queensbury rules.

This is a street fight, not a waltz. How you convey information is just as important as the information you convey.

I am a huge advocate of using Saul Alinsky’s tactics, mostly because they work. In his “Rules for Radicals,” Rule No.5 deals with the power of ridicule. Republicans and the Romney campaign need to – forgive the language—grow some balls and use them. A sense of humor wouldn’t hurt either.

http://townhall.com/columnists/derekhunter/2012/09/30/some_free_advice_for_mitt_romney_and_his_campaign

September 30, 2012 at 12:12 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

rachel madcow??? haha!! I wouldn't waste a good mouse click on that lying lesbo!

September 30, 2012 at 12:17 p.m.
stanleyyelnats said...

hey Toes.... 4 more years. Enjoy Dude. I know I will.

September 30, 2012 at 12:23 p.m.
stanleyyelnats said...

If ever you required motivation to vote for President Obama, read some of the comments above my comment.

Comments like some of the comments in this thread motivated me to contribute a $1,000 to the reelection of President Obama.

The comments are scary enough with President Obama in the White House. How scary would the comments seem if Willard were in the White House?

Nothing can ever silence these voices but for a total epiphany (a usually sudden manifestation or perception of the essential nature or meaning of something). All we can hope to do is minimize the impact of these voices.

A vote for President Obama is a start.

September 30, 2012 at 12:42 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Gravytrain "says: White people have never experienced mortgage discimination in this nation, so what you propose is totally unrealistic, so why even offer it as an argument"?

Is that so? So then you can prove that any white person who wanted a home loan could get one?

It's NOT discrimination when a lender calculates whether or not someone can afford to pay back a loan. According to you, just because of skin color, blacks should get loans whether or not they can afford them or not. THAT'S racism! what about Asians? What about Latinos? What about the guy from Kazakhstan? They could cry "racism" as well because the CRA only selected blacks to help. Where's the "fairness in that?

I'm from a place where blacks owned their own homes for generations. How did they do it? They worked hard, saved for a down payment and went to the bank where they were gladly given the mortgage because they showed the bank that they were responsible people that would pay back the loan. If you can't afford a loan, you shouldn't get one, no matter what color your skin is.

I also know plenty of white people that couldn't get loans as well. Why couldn't they get the loans alpo? Was it because they were being discriminated against, or just because they couldn't afford it? I'm as white as bleached rice and I was turned down four times in my life for loans before I became financially stable enough to finally get one. And in hindsight, I'm glad they did turn me down then, it made me work harder to become more responsible with my finances. Had they given me the loan when I first wanted one, I would be no better off today than I was then. Your charge of racism at every turn is way off base.

September 30, 2012 at 12:45 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

stanleyyellownuts is gonna want that $1000 back when Obamacare taxes start kicking in next year.

September 30, 2012 at 12:47 p.m.
mymy said...

For those who would not listen to the full version, here are some highlights:

September 30, 2012 at 12:51 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

MTjohn: You knew exactly what I meant. Why play word games? MSM = NBC, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, NPR, and about 75% of all newspapers. So John, you think this group is non-partisan? Huh?

September 30, 2012 at 12:54 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Hmmmm. . . I believe there is a misprint on the shirt of one of those trainers propping up Mitt Romney. Yes, I think so. The shirt of the trainer in the far right of Clay's cartoon for today should read – $$$ America's Greediest 1%'ers $$$.

September 30, 2012 at 1:08 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

mymy: Pat Caddell hit the nail on the head. The "news" sources Jack listed above are nothing more than liberal candidate endorsers. All they do is preach to the choir because nobody watches them but the starry-eyed liberals themselves. And it shows in their ratings.

September 30, 2012 at 1:14 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

mountainoyster: How many homeless people have you let sleep in your house lately? How many meals have you bought for the hungry people lately? Not greedy now are you?

September 30, 2012 at 1:17 p.m.
patriot1 said...

Alpo has minority dinner guests....right Alpo?

September 30, 2012 at 1:40 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Ricardo quotes Romney: "Corporations are people my friend.”

What Romney meant to say is:

Corporations are MY friend – and none of us care about you worthless people of the 47%.

September 30, 2012 at 2:11 p.m.
ricardo said...

Ann Coulter will vote for Romney, not:

September 30, 2012 at 2:14 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

mountainoyster wants to go back to the feudal system. Those darn evil corporations. How dare they employ all those people and pay all those taxes that pave all those roads the rat bastards!

September 30, 2012 at 2:29 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Miraweb notes: A Word From Romney's Friends - OR - When Republicans Eat Their Young.”

And I expect this will be soon, Miraweb. . . The Republicans have been feasting on and sacrificing the young of America’s poverty and middle class families for sometime now.

September 30, 2012 at 2:36 p.m.
MTJohn said...

TOES02800 said..."Gravy train alpo! the biggest fuc#wad racist liar on the forum! Typical liberal/socialist/Marxist,aszwipe! Fuc#ing racist punk."

And, once again, TOE demonstrates that he is the best informed, most rational, most thoughtful and most intelligent poster on this board .... NOT!

September 30, 2012 at 2:43 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Yuck! Everybody knows they taste like chicken.

September 30, 2012 at 2:43 p.m.
rick1 said...

Hey Al, in your business would you lend credit to anyone(Balck, Hispanic, Asian, White) who had poor credit and did not me your requirments?

September 30, 2012 at 2:44 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

What's the matter emptyhead? Nothing to talk about?

September 30, 2012 at 2:45 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

I don't know rick1, all I get from alpo is that he would only lend to poor BLACKS who don't have the ability to pay back a loan. He says nothing about helping Hispanics, Asians or Kazahkstanians..Kasahkstanis....Kazahkstanites..........PEOPLE FROM KAZAHKSTAN!!

September 30, 2012 at 2:49 p.m.
rick1 said...

Toes, Al believes Banks should lend to anyone who has poor credit but he would never lend his own money to someone that has poor credit.

I provided this link yesterday don't know if you saw it.

http://www.nytimes.com/1999/09/30/business/fannie-mae-eases-credit-to-aid-mortgage-lending.html

September 30, 2012 at 3:12 p.m.
rick1 said...

Toes, this is an excellent article that details Fannie and Freddie and Clinton's involvement. Of course Al will say it is all a lie because the democrats are not at fault with anything.

http://tjhancock.wordpress.com/housing-bubble-financial-crisis-detailed-comprehensive-assessment/

September 30, 2012 at 3:18 p.m.
ricardo said...

I don't have a problem with banks lending to folks who can't afford their homes. If a bank wants to make a high risk loan like that, that's their business. But when they dump that risk onto some unsuspecting "investor" without full disclosure, then a crime of fraud has been committed. Even worse, when those "investments" come crashing down and threaten to take down the entire economy, then it borders on high treason. This is where the repeal of Glass-Steagall was a huge mistake by Republicans.

September 30, 2012 at 3:26 p.m.
alprova said...

TOES02800 wrote: "I don't know rick1, all I get from alpo is that he would only lend to poor BLACKS who don't have the ability to pay back a loan."

You just exposed your rampant bigotry with that one sentence, and reinforced the fact that your pathological liar status isn't in any danger of ebbing any time soon.

I have never stated that I only finance "poor black" people, nor have any issues been raised by myself regarding the credit records of any black person in conjunction with mortgages.

But now that this issue is on the table, the CRA most definitely did address the issue of loan discrimination, for it is a fact that many otherwise qualified people were/are denied mortgages because of their skin color.

I have competitors that I know very well, right here in the Chattanooga area, who refuse to finance African-Americans on sight. They are careful not to reveal their bias of course, but not one of them makes it onto their books.

The fact that two people are making the assumption that the problem black people have in obtaining mortgages, by default, must only be due to their inability to repay.

That mindset shows that not much has changed over the years. Bigots are still around in high numbers.

"He says nothing about helping Hispanics, Asians or Kazahkstanians..Kasahkstanis....Kazahkstanites..........PEOPLE FROM KAZAHKSTAN (sic)!!"

You missed my post a few weeks ago, discussing the racial makeup of my customers. I do have several Hispanics and African-Americans on the books. So far, I have not seen an Asian even grace the doors of my business, and unfortunately I have not been given opportunity to meet anyone who hails from Kazakhstan.

If the opportunity ever arises, each will be welcomed as are all people are when they open the door to enter my business.

September 30, 2012 at 3:41 p.m.
conservative said...

A whip for the horse, a bridle for the ass, and a rod for the fool's back Proverbs 26:3

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

September 30, 2012 at 3:48 p.m.
rick1 said...

ricardo said "I don't have a problem with banks lending to folks who can't afford their homes."

The banks did not want to make loans to people who had poor credit the government forced them to make these loans.

This article does an excellent job of explaining how the financial crisis occurred. Our government was the cause of course they will never admit that so they blamed the banks.

http://tjhancock.wordpress.com/housing-bubble-financial-crisis-detailed-comprehensive-assessment/

September 30, 2012 at 4:02 p.m.
alprova said...

rick1 wrote: "Toes, this is an excellent article that details Fannie and Freddie and Clinton's involvement. Of course Al will say it is all a lie because the democrats are not at fault with anything."

I have never made any statement close to that. Gramm-Leach-Blilely, which was passed with a veto-proof majority in Congress had to be signed by Bill Clinton. The man has been quoted several times offering that it was a bad piece of legisislation.

Democrats were wooed into voting for GLB in return for Republican votes to amend the CRA to boost home ownership for minorities. When GLB opened up a can of worms that should never have been opened, Republicans began pointing fingers at the CRA, and in the minds of the gullible, it has stuck.

When put under a microscope, it all falls apart, as I illustrated yesterday. You just go on believing that black people who could not afford to pay for their homes, collapsed our economy. They make easy targets, don't they?

Look...enough of this crap. I know many people like you, TOES, Patriot, etc.. I don't know your names but I do know your games.

Whenever the issue of welfare comes up, you think of black people. Whenever the issue of crime comes up, you think of black people. Whenever the issue of voting fraud comes up, what comes up most often by the racially motivated bigots? ACORN.

Oh, and let's not forget that concidentally, you and a few other people hold a deep and divided discontentment for our President, who also happens to be black, whom none of you people ever had one positive thing to say about the man.

How many times have videos been posted that shed a negative light on people of color, that you folks find hilarious, that are most often posted for their ties to the President?

I'll not represent anyone else, but you are not fooling me for one second. I know what seethes in your souls. It's shameful, and there are times when I wish I didn't share the same DNA as some people.

With each generation, race relations improve. I have hope that one day, racism and bigotry will be a thing of the past. If percentages hold true, as are witnessed in this forum, about a third of the people in this country practice bigotry on a daily basis. Thirty years ago, the percentages were much higher.

Keep up the good job of convincing me that my current status as a Liberal, most definitely is not misplaced. I like who I am. None of you are ever going to make me ashamed for being a Liberal.

September 30, 2012 at 4:32 p.m.
patriot1 said...

The type of "democracy" that democrats like and has Obama so far ahead in the polls.

September 30, 2012 at 4:38 p.m.
alprova said...

tu_quoque, darling, just because the President didn't use the word "terrorist" nine times the day following the attack in Libya, it in no manner changes a stinking thing.

For the umpteenth time, the information that the White House had been given by intelligence gathering agencies did not indicate that it was related to any group known for committing acts of terror. The White House had in fact, been given every indication that the attack was spontaneous.

That was confirmed late Friday. FRIDAY, September 28, 2012. Fox News, who was the most critical of the President, posted and aired that simple fact yesterday.

Why you Obama bashers are hung up on the issue of the absence of a simple word until the proof came to light that it was indeed an act of terror, is the most outlandish load of crap witnessed to date.

Believe whatever makes you warm and fuzzy. Fox News has backed off of the issue after hammering the Administration for two weeks.

Do any of you people think that your refusal to accept the facts surrounding it, are going to convince anyone who is aware of the facts, that the issue is still alive?

Oh...I forgot, there are still people who believe that the President wasn't born in Honolulu, Hawaii on August 4, 1961

September 30, 2012 at 4:55 p.m.
ricardo said...

John Dingell (D-MI): "Too big to fail":

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/clip/41620

September 30, 2012 at 5:05 p.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said.....

Do any of you people think that your refusal to accept the facts surrounding it, are going to convince anyone who is aware of the facts, that the issue is still alive?

Oh...I forgot, there are still people who believe that the President wasn't born in Honolulu, Hawaii on August 4, 1961

I agree...It is amazing how so many non-issues and misleading articles distract people from the real issues. I am sick of abort or not to abort, is he a this or that.....But, it plays well for Obama and it is probably his strategy.

Alprova, I know you think Obama is a water walker and I am glad you got health care. In my opinion the man is useless and does not have a clue what to do. But, I admit Romney is not offering much either. Consistent with todays 'toon it would take a Rocky type scenario with major turnover in congress and the administration to do any good, which will not happen. Too many people asking what can you do for me with no regard for the impossibility of their promises before deciding how to vote.

I will probably vote for Gary Johnson to avoid selecting between the evils offered by the two power parties partnering against the people.

September 30, 2012 at 5:23 p.m.
rick1 said...

Al has to resort to playing the race card when there is ample proof the finacial crisis started under the Clinton Admin. well before the Gramm-Leach-Blilely legislation.

Al,you have said in the past that you do your research and only seek to speak the truth. You only speak what you want to believe is the truth even when their is evidence to disprove what you are saying. When this happens you will question the source saying it is a blog, or the source is from a conservative website, yet you use blogs and liberal websites as your sources. You will also call those you disagree with bigots, and racists.

You are a fraud and a hypocrite.

September 30, 2012 at 5:54 p.m.
alprova said...

"Alprova, I know you think Obama is a water walker and I am glad you got health care."

That is an over-estimation, but I do tend to root for any underdog who is unfairly maligned, as the President has been on a daily basis, so I'm sure that is the perception that many people have of my support of the President.

Do I feel that the man has been an exceptional President? No, but I do feel that the potential exists that he will establish a favorable and quite successful legacy if elected to a second term.

"In my opinion the man is useless and does not have a clue what to do."

I understand why many people feel that way. I also feel that had John McCain been elected in 2008, that he too would be in the hot seat at the moment, for he would have likely followed very much the same path that Obama has.

Despite a very slow economic recovery that has marked the Obama Presidency thus far, I absolutely feel that he has done as well as could have been expected of any person in his shoes.

"But, I admit Romney is not offering much either. Consistent with todays 'toon it would take a Rocky type scenario with major turnover in congress and the administration to do any good, which will not happen."

The alternative to an Obama second term is not one that I am very eager to see happen. I see too much danger in that proposition.

"Too many people asking what can you do for me with no regard for the impossibility of their promises before deciding how to vote."

Campaign promises have always been a part of any election. Some are kept and some are broken. You'd think that all the American people would yawn whenever any candidate offers one.

I'm sure that you know that Obama has taken a lot of heat for creating that magical 47%, when the fact is that he has had nothing to do with their current existence.

"I will probably vote for Gary Johnson to avoid selecting between the evils offered by the two power parties partnering against the people."

Believe it or not, I absolutely hold many of the Libertarian principles near and dear, and I have in my past voted for Libertarian candidates, but this time around, every vote will count, and in my humble opinion, Obama deserves a second term.

I am opposed to any and all wars, with the exception of the direct defense of our sovereign nation.

I am opposed to the insane war on drugs.

I am and advocate for the Fair Tax and and am all for an abolishment of all but a slim and trim IRS.

I differ with anyone who thinks that the national debt can be paid off any time soon without serious consideration being given to raising taxes.

Trimming military spending is something that simply must be done to reign in spending, as it is the largest expense that the Gov't funds at the moment, and that issue is looming as the next and final issue that will largely be debated between the Presidential candidates.

September 30, 2012 at 6:26 p.m.
alprova said...

rick1 wrote: "Al has to resort to playing the race card when there is ample proof the finacial crisis started under the Clinton Admin. well before the Gramm-Leach-Blilely legislation."

I think if you will check into the matter, as I suggested you do yesterday, you will discover that Bill Clinton is the very President who signed GLB into law. Of course, he was forced to sign it, because the final version was passed in Congress by a veto-proof majority.

"Al,you have said in the past that you do your research and only seek to speak the truth. You only speak what you want to believe is the truth even when their is evidence to disprove what you are saying."

Look...the right-wing accusation that the CRA caused this mess has been around for several years now. I stand my ground in opposing it for every reason I have posted.

You, nor anyone else has refuted so much as one word that I have written, other than to post the same repetitive garbage that pokes fingers in the chests of black people, claiming that they did not pay their house payments, and the our financial institutions fell the wayside. It's stupid. It's baseless. And there isn't a shred of truth to it.

"When this happens you will question the source saying it is a blog, or the source is from a conservative website, yet you use blogs and liberal websites as your sources."

Sir, will you please point to any website that I have posted in regard to this issue? I haven't. I also challenge you to prove that I have ever pointed to any blog or known liberal leaning website, when backing up facts. I don't do that either.

"You will also call those you disagree with bigots, and racists."

There are many people who disagree with me on a consistent basis, whom have never been accused by me of being bogots or racists.

I call it like I see it. You and a couple of others have made that accusation a firm reality, and I owe not one of you an apology for pointing it out.

"You are a fraud and a hypocrite."

I'm sorry, but am I supposed to get upset by that? Clearly, I have touched a nerve with you. That's good. Perhaps you might rethink the next time you are tempted to jump on the bigot bandwagon.

September 30, 2012 at 6:45 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Now ALPO can intuit what people are thinking re race, etc. Amazin.

BTW, Europe holds on to Ryder Cup. I'm sure BHO is happy.

September 30, 2012 at 6:55 p.m.
miraweb said...

The two pre-debate rallies or how to party like a President

Superstar Mexican rock band Maná is set to perform during President Barack Obama's campaign stop in Las Vegas.

The event Sunday evening is part of a larger effort to woo a key Hispanic voting bloc that could sway the election in the swing state of Nevada. Both parties are investing heavily in Spanish-language TV and radio airtime.

http://www.kolotv.com/entertainment/headlines/Mexican-Superstar-Band-Mana-Playing-at-Obama-Event-172003131.html

Not all of Romney's hours have been devoted to studying and sparring with his debate partner, U.S. Senator Rob Portman.

On Saturday evening, Romney attended a party at the Wellesley, Massachusetts, home of his finance chair, Spencer Zwick.

With a stretched Hummer limousine blaring party music and several school buses parked outside the home, chants of "Mitt!" could be heard from within. Romney departs for Denver on Monday.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/30/usa-campaign-idUSL1E8KU1JY20120930?type=marketsNews

September 30, 2012 at 7:19 p.m.
degage said...

Mira, SO! you point is? Oh I know Obama can party with his hollywood buddies but Romney isn't allowed to do the same with his supporters. You are so brainwashed with the liberal crap. Its OK for a liberal but conservatives aren't allowed. Stuff it!

September 30, 2012 at 8:13 p.m.
rick1 said...

Al, Toes was spot on when he said you and Obama are both narcissists. Dr. Sam Vaknin wrote an article on Obama being a narcissist. Looking at the traits Dr. Vaknin identified with Obama these match ypu prefectly.

Al, you are a narcissist.

•Feels grandiose and self-important (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents to the point of lying, demands to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)

•Is obsessed with fantasies of unlimited success, fame, power or omnipotence, unequalled brilliance (the cerebral narcissist), bodily beauty or sexual performance (the somatic narcissist), or ideal, everlasting, all-conquering love or passion

•Is firmly convinced that he is unique and, being special, can only be understood by, should only be treated by, or associate with, other special, unique, or high-status people (or institutions)

•Requires excessive admiration, adulation, attention and affirmation, or failing that, wishes to be feared and notorious (narcissistic supply)

•Feels entitled. Expects unreasonable or special and favorable priority treatment. Demands automatic and full compliance with his expectations

•Is “interpersonally exploitative” i.e., uses others to achieve his or her own ends

•Is devoid of empathy. Is unable or unwilling to identify with or acknowledge the feelings and needs of others

•Is constantly envious of others or believes that they feel the same about him or her

•Is arrogant, has haughty behaviors or attitudes coupled with rage when frustrated, contradicted, or confronted

September 30, 2012 at 8:15 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

rick1: What rick1 said.

September 30, 2012 at 8:51 p.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said....

Bill Clinton is the very President who signed GLB into law. Of course, he was forced to sign it, because the final version was passed in Congress by a veto-proof majority.

Alprova.....He was not forced, no president is forced to sign any legislation. What is the legal position and penalty if not signed?

September 30, 2012 at 9:09 p.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said....

I am glad you listed those. As I thought, we agree often.

Obama deserves a second term. I DON'T AGREE BUT HE WILL HAVE IT.

I am opposed to any and all wars, with the exception of the direct defense of our sovereign nation. AGREE

I am opposed to the insane war on drugs. AGREE

I am and advocate for the Fair Tax and and am all for an abolishment of all but a slim and trim IRS. AGREE

I differ with anyone who thinks that the national debt can be paid off any time soon without serious consideration being given to raising taxes. AGREE

Trimming military spending is something that simply must be done to reign in spending, as it is the largest expense that the Gov't funds at the moment, and that issue is looming as the next and final issue that will largely be debated between the Presidential candidates. AGREE

I would add that the federal government is too large to manage and needs to be restructured. Restructuring is too complex to post but there is a serious need for it but no one willing to take such an unpopular step.

September 30, 2012 at 9:20 p.m.
dude_abides said...

I must say that today's right wing posts are the weakest, meanest and most bitter I've seen in some time. You're all shootin' blanks, and it occurs that this malaise is, in actuality, a microcosm of the Romney campaign! The shrewish nature and brittle disposition of your candidate has become an albatross trailing his would be ship of state. True, the only red meat he gives you is the pumpkin tan miraweb mentioned, but your campaign is dying on the vine, and it's probably people like you in the swing states that are turning fence sitters against Mitwit. I would encourage you all to take a deep breath, focus your thoughts, still your emotional pool, and prepare for the worst because we are going to beat you like a rented mule. God, I feel so much more righteous and cleaner of soul than you misanthropes. Not to worry, though. You'll all soon develop Romnesia and climb on board that Ryanocerous Railway to Ruin.

September 30, 2012 at 9:41 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

dude_: cute, but BS.

September 30, 2012 at 10:30 p.m.
ricardo said...

tu_cocques, is this the best you have? Allegations against a Democratic administration from a right-wing rag?

September 30, 2012 at 10:34 p.m.
raygunz said...

Man Feared Obama Re-Election, Killed Family and Self

http://news.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474981667297

certain commenters here-a-bouts should think long and hard about this! I won't name names,but a few of you wingers really need to get a grip!

September 30, 2012 at 10:39 p.m.
alprova said...

Harp3339 wrote "Alprova.....He was not forced, no president is forced to sign any legislation. What is the legal position and penalty if not signed?"

You're right. The fact that the legislation was passed by a two-thirds majority simply means that it becomes law with or without the President's signature.

He did sign it and for the same reasons that most of the Democrats in Congress voted for it, which was due to the amendments to the CRA that were a part of that bill.

My use of the word "forced" was reckless. Veto-proof simply means that he has no option to veto the bill.

Thank you for the correction Harp...

September 30, 2012 at 11:18 p.m.
dude_abides said...

NEWSFLASH!!! PRESIDENT IMPEACHED FOR NOT USING WORD FAST ENOUGH

Republican Grand Inquisitor reminds nation that there is no freedom of "nonspeech."

"There are words that we insist you use in a timely (to us) manner, and your lack of acquiescence to our demands leaves us no option save to spend millions of taxpayer dollars to bring you to our specific definition of justice. Furthermore, henceforth, we demand the following changes in the American Lexicon: All similarly named dogs will now be referred to as 'terroriors', the Earth we stand on will become 'terror firma", TV shows will become 'terrorcasts', dish towels will be made of 'terrorcloth', the old spiritual hymn will be renamed 'Go Terror It On The Mountain', the Fabulous Thunderbirds will now sing 'I'm In The Mood For Terroring It Up', and finally, when calling for medical assistance in a crowded public venue, one shall now ask "Terror doctor in the house?", His Majesty Rove said.

September 30, 2012 at 11:27 p.m.
alprova said...

rick1, See how many of these hit the mark in describing yourself and a couple of others that hang out in here. It is a list of signs that you are a racist;

1.) Reducing people of other races to racial stereotypes. This can often be done in very subtle ways. For example, confusing race with culture. Harboring a belief in differences in intelligence between the races.

2.) Extreme pride in one's own country or race. Patriotism can be laudable but when taken to extremes, this sentiment becomes the basis of all fascist regimes.

3.) Association. It is common for racists to associate with other racists. While not necessarily espousing racist opinions themselves it is common for them to personally defend other racists.

4.) Belittlement of members of other races. Racist will constantly criticize the opinions of other races or even ridicule them. Often they will do it without explicitly making mention of the race of the person or persons.

5.) Latent hate. An exaggerated reaction to any conduct or misconduct from a person of the other race.

6.) Denial. The racist will attempt to "objectively" show proof, usually in the form of insignificant details to contradict the obvious.

7.) Invisibility. An indifference to the plight of members of society who are of other races when they suffer injustices. It is typical of the racist to claim that the situation in question is somehow an "inevitable." When the great majority of members of the disadvantaged group are not of his race a pattern emerges.

8.) Presumption of racism in members of own race. Racists typically expect members of their own race to be similarly racist. This often results in expectations of preferential treatment and they expect members of their race to see the humor in negative depictions of people of a certain race, which would otherwise be offensive if shared with a racially mixed audience.

9.) Extreme reaction to word racist. Normally the worst insult which an extreme racist can receive is to be called a racist in public. For the extreme racist it is infuriating because there is no adequate response. On the one hand he does not really want to deny it but he knows that the implications of this word are generally negative. It is not like being called stupid or ignorant, because it is difficult for him to counterattack by simply reverting the accusation. If he attempts to ridicule the other person he will publicly prove the original accusation correct.

10.) No insight into own prejudice. It is common for racists to have no insight into their own prejudice. This is because they believe their prejudice to be based upon objective grounds.

11.) Failure to recognize impact of racism on the victim. For example, when racists examine apparent differences between members of different races or ethnic groups they completely ignore all differences in circumstances and history which could have affected the "inferior" race.

September 30, 2012 at 11:51 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

^^^^ Terrorible

September 30, 2012 at 11:55 p.m.
BobMKE said...

Polls don't vote.

October 1, 2012 at 12:02 a.m.
alprova said...

tu_quoque, clearly you are convinced that some conspiracy exists, and one of course that you have not one iota of personal insight into, that the White House intentionally misrepresented the events in Libya on September 11, 2012.

A man has stepped forward to admit that the intelligence that should have been communicated up the chain, was not in fact communicated. That man has a name, we now know it, and we know what his status is in intelligence.

All accusation to the contrary is based exclusively on the word of people who refuse to step forward, identify themselves, and to reveal their status as someone in the know, if these mystery people exist at all.

If I were to proclaim that I had a source that I refused to produce, who knew you personally, and who I claimed told me that you are nothing that you have ever purported yourself to be in this forum, what would be your reaction?

You'd of course, post a LMAO response, but in the back of your mind, you'd probably want to know if someone out there actually did have my ear, and you'd want to know who that person was.

Do you know the difference between something that is credible and that which is incredible? Sure you do.

A man who steps forward to take responsiblity for misinformation being related to the Executive Branch of our Gov't in the early days of the attack in Libya is someone whose claims should be taken as credible evidence that his statements are on the level.

Anonymous sources, quoted as having provided salatious and inflammitory details in a news article to keep an issue alive over a period of two weeks, is quite incredible evidence, but as can be witnessed by your posts on the subject, you're more inclined to believe incredible evidence, over that which is most credible.

Believe what you wish. After the release of the statement that Fox News published Saturday morning, the network immediately dropped its personal accusations that it had hammered for two weeks.

Republicans and their cheerleaders are pathetically attempting to string up that horse by its neck and whipping it some more.

The intelligence community dropped the ball in Libya. The White House relayed to the public what it had been told...period. Everything beyond those simple facts is purely speculation by the usual suspects who find anything and everything possible to bash the President with.

What possible reason could there be for the President to have lied to the public about what happened in Libya during the first 24 hours afterward, if he had been privy to any intelligence that it was indeed a planned attack?

Too many of you people need to really get a grip on reality.

October 1, 2012 at 12:33 a.m.
alprova said...

tu_quoque wrote: "The link didn't come from me … you Idiot !!"

"AlBaby provided the link as proof of the point he was humping and I simply turned it on the Dunce."

The link was indeed representative of a network with a right-wing leaning history, but that's neither here nor there. I posted that link because I knew that it would not be challenged as being from a liberal source.

The security, or lack thereof, of our Consulates is the responsibility of the Pentagon. As the investigation progresses, look forward to the flashlight to be aimed that way, to see who dropped that ball, if indeed it was dropped.

Accusations by anonymous sources, making claims that there was lax security after viewing a couple of videos are not proof of a thing.

I'm quite sure that nowhere in the Secretary of State's job description, appears any wording that makes him/her responsible for the security of Consulates scattered around the world. So your calling for Hillary Clinton to be brought up on charges of criminal neglect is rather hilarious.

You are, as always, a legend in your own mind.

October 1, 2012 at 12:53 a.m.
alprova said...

Harp3339 wrote: "I would add that the federal government is too large to manage and needs to be restructured. Restructuring is too complex to post but there is a serious need for it but no one willing to take such an unpopular step."

You'll get no argument from me on that one either.

October 1, 2012 at 1:02 a.m.
alprova said...

tu_quoque wrote: "AlBaby it is absolutely amazing how thick a blanket of mindless B.S. rhetoric you can wrap around a solid core of untruth and lies."

Is that so?

I was just reading up on that very issue as a matter of fact.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/congress/2002_hr/02-10-10williams.htm

October 1, 2012 at 1:30 a.m.
alprova said...

tu_quoque wrote: "It would have work better for you if you hadn't outright lied about Fox’s position on the intelligence statement."

I lied, eh? My God, you are obtuse.

Do you truly think that you have so much as a nub to stand on at this point?

Credible v. Incredible. In your court of opinion, only incredible evidence is considered to be true.

Back you go on the ignore shelf!!

October 1, 2012 at 1:42 a.m.
alprova said...

Okay, it would appear that neither one of us is correct.

The responsibility for securing each individual diplomatic outpost starts and ends with the Regional Security Officer assigned to the location.

So, based on the revelation that RSO's are in charge of "ensuring that the Marine Security Guards are provided appropriate levels of support by the Post and Department," I am all too eager to retract my previous statement that the Pentagon is responsible for securing our nation's embassies and consulate locations.

I wonder...will you retract your statement that Hillary Clinton deserves to be brought up on charges of criminal neglect for any security lapses that may be proven to be true?

October 1, 2012 at 2:07 a.m.
alprova said...

tu-quoque wrote: "It was just about the time for you to make such a declaration as you were getting your ass handed to you on a non stop basis anyway."

Ms. Forever Alone, the evidence you used to "hand me my ass" as you like to call it, provided the proof that you were equally incorrect in your assessment of who was responsible for securing that Libyan outpost.

I've never claimed to be perfect, nor am I immune from making a mistake. I knew that it was Marines who guarded our diplomatic posts around the world. I made the erroneous assumption that they were dispatched by the Pentagon.

Now we know the facts.

Are you still blaming Hillary? Can you dump your pathetic pride long enough to admit that you too were incorrect?

Tick tock, tick tock...

October 1, 2012 at 2:20 a.m.
fairmon said...

An interesting tid bit....The prime minister of Isreal and Romney worked for the Boston Consulting Group [BCG] at the same time along with hedge fund manager John Paulson and Sam Adams beer founder Jim Kock. Romney, Paulson and Kock were all Harvard grads.

It seems recent presidents have all been Harvard graduates? Recently it has been Bush sr., Bush jr., Clinton, Obama. Anyone know how many presidents have been Harvard graduates?

October 1, 2012 at 3:52 a.m.
ricardo said...

harp3339 said..."It seems recent presidents have all been Harvard graduates? Recently it has been Bush sr., Bush jr., Clinton, Obama. Anyone know how many presidents have been Harvard graduates?" October 1, 2012 at 3:52 a.m.

Correction: Bush Sr. graduated from Yale. It's not surprising that many world leaders went to Harvard, along with many CEO's. Some other notable grads: FDR and JFK.

October 1, 2012 at 5:30 a.m.
jesse said...

Seems to me that w/Hillery being the sec.of state the buck for embassy security stops at her desk! Kinda like the buck for fast and furious lands on Holders desk! It's their name on the door and their responsibility to know what needs to be done! I'm sure the staff in Libya communicated their concerns to the state dept.so SOMEONE dropped the ball there!

October 1, 2012 at 7:49 a.m.
degage said...

AL, this is what our racist president said in his books.

From Dreams From My Father.

I ceased to advertise my mothers race at age 12 or 13,When I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites.

I found solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mothers race.

There was something about her that made me wary, a little to sure of herself, maybe and white.

From Audacity of Hope

I will stand with the muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.

There were other statements like these but this is enough to prove to you of his hatred for the white race that he is part of.

October 1, 2012 at 8 a.m.
facyspacy said...

If you voted for Obama to prove you are not a racist, then vote for Romney to prove that you are not stupid.

October 1, 2012 at 8:06 a.m.
alprova said...

Jesse wrote: "I'm sure the staff in Libya communicated their concerns to the state dept.so SOMEONE dropped the ball there!"

What makes you so sure that the staff in Libya communicated any concerns for their safety to the State Department?

Everything related in the press, with the exception of what all these unnamed "sources" have stated, points to there being no one who relayed a word of concern up the chain.

Were you copied by email by everyone involved so that you are in some position to be sure that the State Dept. dropped the ball?

October 1, 2012 at 8:08 a.m.
fairmon said...

ricardo said....

It's not surprising that many world leaders went to Harvard, along with many CEO's. Some other notable grads: FDR and JFK.

The percentage in those positions seems statistically disproportionate considering the probabilities other than Harvard or Yale. Are you aware of the secret societies conspiracy theories? I don't buy that bunk but having connections certainly seems to have it's advantages.

October 1, 2012 at 8:08 a.m.
alprova said...

degage wrote: "AL, this is what our racist president said in his books."

I'm sure that you thought you had really stumbled onto something big when you read those quotes, but as usual you are guilty of passing on a set of total lies;

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/06/obamas-dreams-of-my-father/

"There were other statements like these but this is enough to prove to you of his hatred for the white race that he is part of."

The only thing that has been proven with your post is that there are people who will try to manufacture anything that they can to convince gullible and ignorant people that a lie is more believable than the truth.

October 1, 2012 at 8:17 a.m.
jesse said...

Well Al it's reasonable to assume that when someone is up to their azz in alligators they ask someone for help!

Maybe "sure" was the wrong word to use!Would "I ASSUME" suit better?(hope that helps git the kinks outta your pantyhose!) BTW:you would think that someone at state would have enough brains to anticipate the fact that there might be some probs.in libya on the anniversary of 9/11 after factoring in the ongoing situation there!

October 1, 2012 at 8:22 a.m.
fairmon said...

degage said....(referring to Obama's books)

There were other statements like these but this is enough to prove to you of his hatred for the white race that he is part of.

degage...I don't like his policies and things he has done that, in my opinion, has stalled and interfered with the economy recovering. His foreign policy, when stated, has not been impressive. I detest and resent his expansion of wealth redistribution beyond where it already was. I could not care less if he is not re-elected. But, I am not aware of any presidential behavior that indicates he hates white people, are you?

Keep in mind there are a heck of a lot more uninsured white people and more on food stamps and other government assistance than the total U.S. black population. A majority of blacks are not in need of or receiving assistance.

October 1, 2012 at 8:30 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

ricardo said... Corporations are people my friend:

Technically, they are. People incorporate to separate their business liabilities from their personal liabilities. A corporation can be one person or a large group of people. So, Romney was right and those that mock the statement look kind of silly, uninformed at best.

October 1, 2012 at 8:37 a.m.
degage said...

Al and Harp. I have nothing against blacks I was trying to point out to Al that even his god has some racism in his makeup.

I read your fact check, It seems they were trying to say Obama was confused about his heritage because he was of mixed blood. I read his book and I came away from it thinking he has animosity toward whites because of his mixed blood. It doesn't matter that a person is black or white in this country you are still an american and your blood still bleeds red.

October 1, 2012 at 8:45 a.m.
alprova said...

Jesse wrote: "Well Al it's reasonable to assume that when someone is up to their azz in alligators they ask someone for help!"

Everything I have read on Libya said that the Americans had nothing to fear at all from the Libyan people. They were very grateful to the U.S. for helping them rid themselves of Muammar Gaddafi, once and for all.

A week before 9/11/12, inquiries were made to assess whether or not that the local authorities were aware of any potential threats. It was related that it would probably be best for any Americans to "keep a low profile" because there were rumors going around that outsiders were in the area.

The Ambassador arrived at that outpost in an armored procession, that was definitely not low key. Somebody in charge in Libya failed to take the rumors serious, from what I have read.

"Maybe "sure" was the wrong word to use!Would "I ASSUME" suit better?(hope that helps git the kinks outta your pantyhose!)"

Why not wait for all the investigations to be completed before people call for the cutting off of the heads of the President, Hillary Clinton, or anyone else?

That particular outpost was not a bonafied consulate nor was it anything close to an embassy. It was a temporary location set up following the events that transpired last year.

Somebody definitely dropped the ball in securing the Ambassador. There seems to be little doubt about that. But what is known for a fact, is that the Ambassador himself may have been uneasy, given that the 9/11 date was upcoming, but he did not communicate that he felt any sense of danger to a soul.

The investigations are not complete, and information will likely change several times before it is all said and done, but this conspiratorial crap being spewed by the Republicans, is all being offered to hopefully influence the upcoming election, and it is truly getting out of hand.

October 1, 2012 at 8:48 a.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said....

The only thing that has been proven with your post is that there are people who will try to manufacture anything that they can to convince gullible and ignorant people that a lie is more believable than the truth.

alprova...I believe the statements are in the book. The conclusion reached by the reader, even if we don't agree, or quotes from the books are not a lie.

October 1, 2012 at 8:50 a.m.
fairmon said...

degage said... Al and Harp. I have nothing against blacks I was trying to point out to Al that even his god has some racism in his makeup.

I don't know about racism, he probably does since everyone does to some degree even if not spoken or so slight they are undetectable. I do think he has some serious prejudices that are not based on skin color.

October 1, 2012 at 9:02 a.m.
alprova said...

"I read your fact check, It seems they were trying to say Obama was confused about his heritage because he was of mixed blood."

The article categorically proved that the quotes you offered were in fact, complete garbage.

"I read his book and I came away from it thinking he has animosity toward whites because of his mixed blood."

You read his book, eh? Isn't it funny that you chose to copy and paste material that has been circulating the web, word for word. But now you have the audacity to claim that you read his book?

Set that aside for a moment.

I will assume that you have two white parents. Your world is without any issues whatsoever regarding any struggle for racial identity.

You are in no position to judge or are expected to understand what it means to be the offspring of people of two differing races, or to find your place in a world that for the most part, ostracizes such people.

He has fought racial stigma his entire life, only to become inundated with it all over again as the first non-white President.

Had you read his book(s), you would have known that those particular quotes you offered were totally false. So pardon me if I find your claim to have read his books to be quite untruthful.

So which is it? Are you guilty of passing on someone else's lie, or are you guilty of posting a set of false quotes that you knew to be lies?

"It doesn't matter that a person is black or white in this country you are still an american and your blood still bleeds red."

And liberty and justice for all. Yeah, yeah, yeah...rhetoric is not the reality for all people.

October 1, 2012 at 9:21 a.m.
mymy said...

36 Days to Go!

It is still the economy/jobs/foreign policy/direction of country/National Security here/abroad and the growing debt.

Tick, Tock, Tick, Tock

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/09/30/Chris-Christie-to-Obama-Stop-lying-Mr-President

October 1, 2012 at 9:21 a.m.
alprova said...

Harp3339 wrote: "alprova...I believe the statements are in the book. The conclusion reached by the reader, even if we don't agree, or quotes from the books are not a lie."

Not the quotes that were posted by degage. Those are all completely false.

I suggest that you read the fact checking article to learn the truth.

October 1, 2012 at 9:24 a.m.
degage said...

Yes Al, I read his book. Are you calling me a liar? I resent that since you don't even know me. You are so obsessed with race that you have to be nasty to anyone that doesn't agree with you, and sees things in a different light. Obama is not a god and never will be.

October 1, 2012 at 9:30 a.m.
degage said...

Yes Al, quotes from the website but they are in the book and I used them to point out what I came away with when I read the book. Sometimes your fact checker needs to be fact checked. What I got from the book is entirely different than you would, thats a fact you can check if you want.

October 1, 2012 at 9:35 a.m.
alprova said...

degage wrote: "Al and Harp. I have nothing against blacks I was trying to point out to Al that even his god has some racism in his makeup."

A more truthful statement would be to say that the President is someone with many reasons to have pondered at length, racial issues over the years.

Is there any evidence that the man is a bigot or a racist? I've never seen an iota of evidence that would support such a charge. Has he chosen to identify himself more with the African-American race than that of the Caucasian race? Clearly he has.

So what? The fact that he made such a choice does not mean that they man is a racist, by any stretch of the imagination.

If the man had stood in front of the nation, procliming himself to be white, the nation would have laughed their heads off.

He is not a racist for choosing the most sensible racial identity, based on the color of his skin.

The racists or bigots are those who look that the man and refer to him as the first "n-word" to be elected as President.

October 1, 2012 at 9:40 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

ALPO: If ever they decide to do a remake of Cheers, you are da man to play Cliff Clavin. (can you even imagine the original Cliffie with access to Google?)

October 1, 2012 at 9:43 a.m.
alprova said...

"Yes Al, quotes from the website but they are in the book and I used them to point out what I came away with when I read the book."

Those quotes DO NOT appear in any of his books as you copy and pasted them.

"Sometimes your fact checker needs to be fact checked."

Now you are absolutely lying. I gave you the chance to come clean, and you are refusing to do so.

You never read any of his books, and you have been caught passing on material proven to be false.

"What I got from the book is entirely different than you would, thats a fact you can check if you want."

You're totally pathetic. I doubt that you could read a newspaper.

October 1, 2012 at 9:46 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

ALPO said "You're totally pathetic. I doubt that you could read a newspaper." That's pure conjecture, Alpy. You're getting more like Easy123 day by day.

October 1, 2012 at 9:49 a.m.
degage said...

Hey what happened to Happy and easy. Poor Al, His liberal buddies have deserted him. Jack, Al is tried and true Obama progressive, we need to overlook his nastiness.

Still calling me a liar? Get a life!

October 1, 2012 at 9:58 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

gage: ALPO is everything that is wrong with the left. Smug, cocky, verbose, bigoted, misinformed, arrogant, and hypocritical to the core. EASY123 is missing. I guess he's at an SEIU convention.

October 1, 2012 at 10:07 a.m.
dude_abides said...

DUBLIN, OH – Former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright said her impression after attending a recent Mitt Romney speech is that "there's just nothing going on" with the Republican presidential nominee. She said his understanding of foreign policy not only lacks depth but diminishes U.S. standing abroad. "He is so two-dimensional. I mean, up close and personal, there's just nothing going on," she said.

What a concise statement! It absolutely captures what isn't happening for Mitt. She is so damn cool. Brilliant, strong, liberal women just make me swoon. Coiffed, severe, conservative women make me want to go drunkfishing.

October 1, 2012 at 10:11 a.m.
ibshame said...

"Jack_Dennis said... gage: ALPO is everything that is wrong with the left. Smug, cocky, verbose, bigoted, misinformed, arrogant, and hypocritical to the core. EASY123 is missing. I guess he's at an SEIU convention."

And you and those like you epitomize everything that is wrong with right wing nuts - you don't like facts because they get in the way of the bullsh*t you like to spew as facts.

October 1, 2012 at 10:17 a.m.
dude_abides said...

Yeah, y'all beat up on Easy while he ain't here. I've seen Easy tear you guys so many 'new ones' that you could qualify as a new subgroup... the 'ass-wholes' ! lol

October 1, 2012 at 10:17 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

dude_ : Yeah, the lady of broaches is one cool role model. Clueless when SOS, clueless now. Hairdo, however, could stand up to Katrina.

October 1, 2012 at 10:19 a.m.
jesse said...

Bachman kinda makes me swoon,right up till she starts talkin!!

Albright kinda makes me want to hide under the bed!

October 1, 2012 at 10:22 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Dupe likes women? Now THAT'S a riot! I'd bet he's a rainbow brite butt buster of the highest order.

October 1, 2012 at 10:28 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

libshame: I guess it comes down to definition of facts. Facts as presented by: "huffington posts? Media Matters? NYT? WAPO? MSNBC? chicago thugs? Hollywood stars? Rachel Madow?, George Stephanoupous? Maxine Waters? The State Dept.? Those FACTS?

October 1, 2012 at 10:34 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

It looks like my prediction is coming true. I said in past posts on this board that the sole purpose of Obama giving amnesty to all those illegals was to eventually get them legal to vote.

STEP 1- get the illegals to stay in the country.

STEP 2- get them valid I.D.

STEP 3- get them to the polls on November 6th

STEP 4- add 3 million Obama voters to California. Setting precedent for all states to follow suit.

Brown acts on driver's license, deportation bills

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-brown-bills-20121001,0,4581699.story

It was easy to see THAT coming.

October 1, 2012 at 10:45 a.m.
dude_abides said...

Sounds to me like you boys couldn't handle a real woman. Sounds like you've been around stupid women your whole life. Your mothers, wives, daughters, etc. are all objects in your world, I guess.

Poor toes. I don't think I've ever even wondered about the sexuality of any of the posters here. toes has made a huge blunder by admitting that he has. Anybody else here ever wonder about whether each other is gay? Kinda stalky/icky there, toes. Maybe you should be more guarded about your inner demons.

October 1, 2012 at 10:49 a.m.
ibshame said...

"Jack_Dennis said... libshame: I guess it comes down to definition of facts. Facts as presented by: "huffington posts? Media Matters? NYT? WAPO? MSNBC? chicago thugs? Hollywood stars? Rachel Madow?, George Stephanoupous? Maxine Waters? The State Dept.? Those FACTS?"

Definition of fact: The quality of being actual; something that exists or occurs. You see in bizarro right wing nut world most of what wing nuts accept as fact only exists in their minds. Not the REAL WORLD. As stated before right wing nuts NEVER let the FACTS get in the way of their bullsh*t and you and those like you prove that everyday right here for everyone to see.

October 1, 2012 at 10:52 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

MEDICARE FINES OVER HOSPITALS' READMITTED PATIENTS

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_MEDICARE_PENALTIES?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-09-30-05-02-01

Here alpo! This should make you tingle all over! You're finally starting to get what you wanted all along.

October 1, 2012 at 10:55 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Dupe admits he's queer. You're all alike, tell anyone that'll listen. You're queer, we get it. But you should keep your slut mother out of it.

October 1, 2012 at 11:20 a.m.
dude_abides said...

What an idiot, seriously. No wonder they chased you out of Pennsylvania. Or, were you running from your overly affectionate father? Your avatars suggest you prefer African American men. Have a great day, daddy's boy.

October 1, 2012 at 11:26 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Republican female politicians look more feminine than Democrats, study finds

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2209635/Republican-female-politicians-feminine-Democrats-according-study.html#ixzz283snegsA Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

Democrat women are, in fact, ugly as hell.

October 1, 2012 at 11:31 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

You don't have a clue. I laugh at you.

October 1, 2012 at 11:35 a.m.
dude_abides said...

Let's dedicate one to TOES02800:

October 1, 2012 at 11:40 a.m.
fairmon said...

It is confusing when Obama changed from being against gay marriage to being for it he evolved. When Romney said he was not opposed to abortion due to rape or incest he was flip flopping. Why is one viewed by the media as evolving and the other flip flopping? Actually neither of the issues should be the determining factor in who to vote for. Gary Johnson has been consistent in his views on key issues.

October 1, 2012 at 12:09 p.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said to degage....

Those quotes DO NOT appear in any of his books as you copy and pasted them.

Alprova...I admit I have not read the books nor do I plan to buy or read them, have you? I have no interest in what he or someone wrote about his history. I prefer to watch what he does and not listen to or read what he says. The roar of the cannon means little when there is no hole in the target.

October 1, 2012 at 12:17 p.m.
miraweb said...

It's funny that the Republicans would spend three years stoking a bunch of completely crazy conspiracy theories, then wonder when some people start believing them:

"Guys, if you want to help Mitt Romney get elected, put down the Cheetos, get out of your mom’s basement and call your friends. And tell them why Mitt Romney should be president. Because these conspiracy theories aren’t helping Mitt, Paul [Ryan] or the Republican Party. And at the end of the day it makes them silly." - Joe Scarborough

http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/01/scarborough-rips-conservative-online-detractors-your-conspiracy-theories-are-getting-out-of-hand/

October 1, 2012 at 12:28 p.m.
miraweb said...

This was the GOP's official email from yesterday. I just can't imagine where people are getting all these crazy ideas. Can you?

The Problem: The Main Stream Media is corrosively silent on 'America's Fraud President' Barack Hussein Obama, many Patriots are asking, why?

Listen up, the Tea Party doesn't care what the Lame Stream Media's pathetic excuse may be, we don't answer to them! They should be answering to us!

Bottom line is, the Blame Stream Media has consistently protected 'America's Fraud President' and buried Obama Frauds such as:

Forged Birth certificate issued by the White House! Multiple Social Security numbers! Sealed College records! Surrendered license to practice law! Missing birth records in Hawaii! Selective Service records sealed! Foreign Passports! Association with known Communists and subversives! Sworn testimonies by credible witnesses proving Obama was not born in America. America's top Sherriff threatened if he continues investigating the Obama Frauds! ...and the list goes on!

(AND ON AND ON AND ON . . . )

Astonishing, isn't it? We witnessed how vile poison was spewed from the hateful mouths of the caustic biased media against Sarah Palin trying to break her will. Just as she stood strong against those despicable attacks, so shall we! We will follow her example.

The Maimed Stream media will ridicule and viciously attack anyone who defies their imperial power.

What this means is buckle your seat belts and be the heroes our Founding Fathers envisioned, or crawl under a rock like a yellow bellied coward. No more Mr. NiceGuy!

Fact is, if this doesn't interest you, nothing will! Let's not forget we must keep the call center locations and operator teams off the radar so the Obamites can't sabotage this grass-roots operation with their minion goons! Who can forget the threat of killing and beating Citizens in Philadelphia who just wanted to vote in the last election?

(They wrap it up by saying):

We're mad as hell and we are not going to take it anymore!

If they mean "mad" in the British sense of the word, I couldn't agree more. These actual GOP talking points coming soon from a Rush Limbaugh near you!

October 1, 2012 at 12:38 p.m.
ibshame said...

"miraweb said... It's funny that the Republicans would spend three years stoking a bunch of completely crazy conspiracy theories...

"Guys, if you want to help Mitt Romney get elected, put down the Cheetos, get out of your mom’s basement and call your friends. And tell them why Mitt Romney should be president. Because these conspiracy theories aren’t helping Mitt, Paul [Ryan] or the Republican Party. And at the end of the day it makes them silly. - Joe Scarborough"

There are times when Joe Scarborough really grates on my nerves but I will give him this: He's not a wing nut. People like Scarborough, George Will, David Brooks, and some others don't stand a chance with the wing nuts. It's highly unlikely even Ronald Reagan would stand a chance with today's bunch of repub wing nuts. It's really sad.

I would never vote for Mitt Romney because he's proven himself to be nothing more than another puppet for Neo-cons like W. Romney is listening to the same people who advised W. W's two terms left this country on life support, a Romney win will pull the plug. Romney will win by a landslide in Tennessee. Fortunately Tennessee won't be the determing factor in this race.

October 1, 2012 at 1:01 p.m.
dude_abides said...

tu_... What a sophomoric post that was, with all the places Obama could have inserted the word terror. You should have flagged that post yourself! (Self-flag-alation?) BTW, you mistakenly attributed some link to me earlier, which you supposedly "turned on me." I think you may be in one of those tangled webs.

Further... *Deep-seeded vs. deep-seated

Deep-seeded almost makes sense in a metaphorical way (though seeds sown too deeply won’t grow), but deep-seated is the term you’re looking for. The phrasal adjective (usually requiring a hyphen) simply indicates that something is seated (in the sense fixed firmly in place) deeply in something else. The OED defines it as having its seat far beneath the surface.* -grammar.com (?

October 1, 2012 at 1:02 p.m.
ibshame said...

"miraweb said... This was the GOP's official email from yesterday. I just can't imagine where people are getting all these crazy ideas. Can you? ....... 'The Maimed Stream media will ridicule and viciously attack anyone who defies their imperial power.

What this means is buckle your seat belts and be the heroes our Founding Fathers envisioned, or crawl under a rock like a yellow bellied coward. No more Mr. NiceGuy!

Fact is, if this doesn't interest you, nothing will! Let's not forget we must keep the call center locations and operator teams off the radar so the Obamites can't sabotage this grass-roots operation with their minion goons! Who can forget the threat of killing and beating Citizens in Philadelphia who just wanted to vote in the last election? (They wrap it up by saying): We're mad as hell and we are not going to take it anymore!'

Here's the danger in what they are saying and believe me there is DANGER here: They intend to try to intimidate people who show up at the polls to vote (particularly minorities because they think they will be voting for President Obama) the danger in that lies in the fact some people are NOT going to stand idly by and allow themselves to be intimidated - PHYSICALLY OR MENTALLY - so there will most likely be some violent confrontations. One suggestion would be to send in the National Guard if it appears there are going to be confrontations at the polls on election day. It's sad this election might end up looking like some THIRD WORLD election that has to be monitored by the UN but if that what it takes then that's what it takes.

Sooner rather than later these desperate wing nuts will realize it's not the 50's or the 60's. They've tried to suppress the vote in every way they could now they are making PRE-EMPTIVE threats. They should be careful of what they are wishing for because they just might get it.

October 1, 2012 at 1:23 p.m.
miraweb said...

Even FOX wants details from Romney:

Let me speak plainly here: Gov. Romney, you’re not selling right, now you're confusing. You state that you’re going to cut taxes, but then not really. You’re going to repeal ObamaCare, but not really. You says you're going to cut the government and eliminate agencies, but you're not sure where and will have to ask the Congress for suggestions.

Ironically, it’s not the negatives about Mr. Romney that the president’s team hammered him on all summer that is raising doubts about his electability. It is his own self-inflicted wounds and lack of clarity in his positions that has weakened him.

What I want and many others want to know is how Mitt Romney, the turnaround guru, the fixer of the broken Olympics, is going to fix the US economy . . .

You need to be bold! Tell me in the three debates ahead and the 5 weeks of campaign left, if you're elected what is your vision of what America will look like and what steps are needed to get us there. To paraphrase the famous “Nike’ slogan , just tell us how you’re going to do it!

FOX Contributor Edward J. Rollins is a Fox News contributor. He is a former assistant to President Reagan and he managed his reelection campaign.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/10/01/cut-to-chase-gov-romney-and-tell-us-how-youre-going-to-fix-america/

October 1, 2012 at 1:26 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

The 4th Estate in our country is corrupt. It's astounding that you lefties are too blind to see it. You think they're doing the country a favor by pushing BHO thru the finish line?

October 1, 2012 at 1:31 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Dude_ appears to have fetish about sexuality, jack-boots, and boys. Can whips be far-behind? It's ok, dude_. I know you guys are all inclusive.

October 1, 2012 at 1:37 p.m.
miraweb said...

Actually, I think it is fair to say that Romney isn't getting much love from the media - but that is a self-inflicted wound.

I haven't seen one positive Romney story in the British papers since the Olympics.

Romney has been pretty lousy with the press corp that is on the road with him as well. Not just making interviews difficult, but not announcing schedule changes, not getting to know the reporters, and dissing the press people who just have a job to do.

If you are on the road with the same people for months on end, occasionally sending back a pizza and a decent bottle of wine goes a long way.

Romney has had so many "emergency" press conferences that the reporters aren't getting much sleep, either.

The traveling campaign reporters are human beings. They do try to be objective, but Romney has not done much to charm a really important group of people.

If the press isn't in love with Romney, it may be because no one is in love with Romney. Except Ann and Rafalca, of course.

October 1, 2012 at 1:55 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Jack_ appears to have syntax of caveman. Jack_ appears to have inordinate amount interest in dude. dude disquieted by psoriasis covered lecher/leper attention.

October 1, 2012 at 1:58 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

So MIRA: Romney's problems with the press is lack of pizza? You've outdone yourself.

October 1, 2012 at 2:05 p.m.
miraweb said...

The problem is a lack of human connection - something that is often facilitated by breaking bread - or pizza.

A big part of leadership is understanding that people will do almost anything for you if:

1) You let them know what's ahead

2) You behave like a decent human being

3) You feed people.

I stand firmly behind that management technique.

October 1, 2012 at 2:07 p.m.
dude_abides said...

The press wants nothing more than for the race to tighten. They will gin up Romney momentum as soon as any exists. Hence the coverage of Christie's lame interview touting the "campaign turnaround" after the first debate. Blah, blah... stay tuned! A$$

October 1, 2012 at 2:09 p.m.
miraweb said...

I know TQQ, it is really spectacular. My humble skills are nowhere on that level.

It is the real deal.

October 1, 2012 at 2:09 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Mira: I'll forward your thoughts to Romney/Ryan...who knows, a few pizzas, a couple cases of brews, this election can be turned around.

October 1, 2012 at 2:18 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

A lawyer for a cameraman who was accompanying Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to the US for the United Nations General Assembly in New York says his client has defected.

this guy has quite a future in front of him at MSNBC.

October 1, 2012 at 2:27 p.m.
miraweb said...

TQQ - I have to give credit where credit is due. If you want to check my facts, click on the "Get Our Emails" link at the address below:

http://teaparty.org/AFPInfo.html

I actually didn't have to sign up for that. The GOP mailing list that I did sign up for started publishing these emails, too.

Magic!

Jack - to get things back on track with women, Latinos, blacks, the middle class, and seniors I might suggest the following:

60 million pepperoni; 30 million sausage, peppers, and garlic; 40 million thin crust with extra cheese - and an order of bread sticks

It, frankly, makes more sense than what they've been doing so far.

October 1, 2012 at 2:46 p.m.
miraweb said...

Right. The TeaParty isn't "Republican" - they just really, really, really want you to vote that way.

Got it.

October 1, 2012 at 3:04 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Sorry tu_ expose your inattention to detail, but that wasn't spelling or grammar or punctuation. It was a deeply seated misunderstanding of a phrase, which should cause one to reassess their flawless self image. Who knows how many other misconceptions are floating around in that stale stew between your ears?

BTW, I won't be going on any searches to prove your mistakes. I have a memory, so I know what I read.

October 1, 2012 at 3:09 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

This is pretty funny. Women, who are part of the GOP, and the more conservative the better, are more feminine than women of the democrat party.

http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/the-gop-has-a-feminine-face-finds-238867.aspx

This makes total sense, I always thought leftist women looked rather mutated and leftist men were limp wristed sissies! So the GOP is where women are women and men are men. The democrat party is where the women are men and the men are women. We all knew this to be true but now UCLA has proven so with science!

October 1, 2012 at 3:10 p.m.
dude_abides said...

tu_quoque said...

"Maybe if you extracted your nose from the Guardian’s ass."

And stick it where Murdoch's Sun shines?

October 1, 2012 at 3:15 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Yes, tu_ chalk it up to whatever makes you feel vital. Now, go back and prove to me how I lied, there's a good girl. LOL

October 1, 2012 at 3:17 p.m.
miraweb said...

BRP writes:

Women, who are part of the GOP, and the more conservative the better, are more feminine . . .

What - both of them?

:-)8

October 1, 2012 at 3:31 p.m.
dude_abides said...

tu_, did you see the question mark at the end of my sentence, per chance? That means I was addressing you. See? miraweb is too smart to take your bait. miraweb knows that Murdoch owns Fox and the Sun, and is a right wing crook, like Romney. See? Therefore, my question was inquiring of you as to where you would suggest someone find a positive story on Romney. You, it's now clear, think that the Sun shines out of Rupert's ass!

October 1, 2012 at 3:32 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

miraweb,

LOL, are those mammalian protuberances under your smile?

October 1, 2012 at 3:40 p.m.
miraweb said...

No worries, dude - TQQ is useful to me in her own way.

I can keep my point in front of the forum for as long as I like - and just stop answering when she gets too whiny.

Just wouldn't be the same without her.

BRP - I believe they are called "boobs" in the vernacular.

October 1, 2012 at 3:45 p.m.
alprova said...

tu_quoque, darling...

What? No retraction for your error last night?

That's what I thought.

You spin and spin and spin, attacking people all the time with your golden tiara on your head, and here you are refusing to admit your own error, when it is staring you in the face.

You are simply incredible, and I do mean that literally.

October 1, 2012 at 4:01 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Sen. Graham: Obama move on defense layoff notices 'patently illegal'

http://thehill.com/blogs/defcon-hill/industry/259517-graham-says-hell-block-reimbursements-in-layoff-notice-fight

More illegalities from the liar in chief

October 1, 2012 at 4:23 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

ALPO: the ultimatge spinner, talking about others spinning. Now that's rich right there.

October 1, 2012 at 4:25 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Dupe. Such the whining little pussy. "I love Obama"! "republicans are mean"! HAHAHA!! Whew!! Your mommy did a number on you!

October 1, 2012 at 4:31 p.m.
dude_abides said...

As of yet, the President has not called the event below an act of terrorism, tu_q. Could you please remind me how long he has before articles of impeachment are drawn up?

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2012/oct/01/2-dead-1-wounded-after-shooting-florida-vfw/?breakingnews

October 1, 2012 at 4:32 p.m.
miraweb said...

The advisory opinion on defense layoffs was exactly where it should be.

Obama didn't snatch the bait that the GOP wanted him to take.

The most likely outcome is after the election the Congress will pass a bill saving most, if not all, of the defense jobs. If not - well, welcome to fiscal cliff-land and it will really be time for a new Congress. Governing means working on what is most likely to happen, not what scores political brownie points.

I think the President can see that it would be rather cruel - and very hard on real families - to start playing political ping-pong with people's livelihoods.

There are some folks in Washington who don't really get that and would leave people in limbo until the last second.

Those people should be fired.

The administration is seeing this as an election shenanigan - and it is. The administration is, rightfully, advising companies based on the most likely outcome.

They are doing their job. I wish Senator Graham would do his.

October 1, 2012 at 4:39 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

According to the likes of alpo and the gang, Obama is the most pure of all people ever to grace the planet. You know they're full of it because they defend EVERYTHING he ever did. NOBODY'S that perfect. Obama's failures always seem to be the fault of someone else.

If I said Obama farted in class in 1970, alpo would say it was the kid next to him.

October 1, 2012 at 4:40 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

mira, do you have Obama posters in your room? I'll bet that you do.

October 1, 2012 at 4:47 p.m.

“In every year divisible by four, the dominant superstition of American politics — faith in the magic of presidential words and deeds — reaches an apogee that feeds national narcissism: Everything that happens anywhere is about us, is a response to something America did or did not do, and can be controlled by a president doing — even just saying — something.

“This self-absorption was evident as Mitt Romney and the Obama administration sparred about violence directed at U.S. facilities in the Middle East and elsewhere. Romney called this the fruit of administration weakness; the administration blamed it on a video. It would require exquisitely precise intellectual calipers to gauge which idea is sillier.

“In Egypt, Libya and elsewhere, the crumbling of old regimes and hierarchies has ignited complex sectarian and tribal power struggles, in which some participants find anti-Americanism useful. None of the people involved — some cunning, some deranged — take their cues from utterances by America’s president …

“Childlike credulity about presidents’ abilities to subdue turbulent portions of the world by projecting “strength,” or to “manage” the domestic economy, encourages political infantilism.

October 1, 2012 at 4:51 p.m.

I dare you to turn off your TV this Wednesday through Sunday and read the Federalist Papers. I dare you.

October 1, 2012 at 4:54 p.m.
miraweb said...

Already have. I did find it amusing that the issue that got the most consideration in the Federalist Papers was - fishing.

Yep, fishing.

October 1, 2012 at 4:57 p.m.
dude_abides said...

toes.. Posters? Really? You're living in the 70's, there, PennState.

October 1, 2012 at 4:57 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Always hated PennState. Go Mountaineers!

October 1, 2012 at 5:08 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

TOES said " If I said Obama farted in class in 1970, alpo would say it was the kid next to him." You are probably right, TOES, but there's no record of ANYONE going to school with the lad.

October 1, 2012 at 6:02 p.m.
ibshame said...

"tu_quoque said... OMG now I’ve missed a question mark. Dunce you are straining to hard and could cause physical as well as psychological damage to yourself. If your explanation is that convoluted you are shooting blanks so try midgets and monkeys as they are always comedy gold."

You really are the poster child for a legend in your own mind. Everyone should enjoy reading your psuedo-intellectual responses now because no doubt should Romney lose as predicted by those "phony polls" you will surely crawl back beneath the rock from which you slithered. LOL

October 1, 2012 at 6:09 p.m.
dude_abides said...

tu_ is so meticulous until she's on the run, then everything gets all octopus inky.

October 1, 2012 at 6:09 p.m.
ibshame said...

"Jack_Dennis said... TOES said " If I said Obama farted in class in 1970, alpo would say it was the kid next to him." You are probably right, TOES, but there's no record of ANYONE going to school with the lad"

It's statements like this that give the South such a bad name. Right wing nuts continue to spew this kind of ignorant bullsh*t. President Obama has been through a primary and a general election, if there was anything at all to any of this it would have been discovered lonnnng before now. Just like Romney's infamous "47%" video. He was live and in living color.

October 1, 2012 at 6:19 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Jesus, tu_, are you emptying your emotional closet there?

Jack_TOES... This article will help you in the first of your 12 steps.

http://bodyodd.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/28/14142490-why-some-of-us-refuse-to-face-facts-yes-birthers-that-includes-you?lite

October 1, 2012 at 6:36 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Kinda sounds like ashamed was referring to the new black panthers intimidating voters outside polling locations.

Racist New Black Panthers advocate killing whites & their babies

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSuiSIWRn7s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSuiSIWRn7s

Here's some voter intimidation for you . You should bAshamed.

October 1, 2012 at 6:38 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Libshame: There is nothing regional about wanting to see some past records of this guy. The press has never vetted him and you know it. Lay off with the regional slurs, Comrade.

October 1, 2012 at 6:44 p.m.
ibshame said...

"tu_quoque said... So you’re ready to rumble??

Spending much time cleaning, stockpiling and visiting the range?

Wishing for social unrest in hopes that it will benefit your side with gained political power sure sounds like desperation to me"

Let's be sure about something tu_dumba$$ my response was to what miraweb posted as coming from the GOP. But if you're asking would I stand idly by and let someone try to intimidate me and keep from voting the answer is he!! no!. Got it? Like I said this is not the 50's and 60's. Repubs have tried their best to suppress the vote of the elderly, the youth and minorities in this election with phony ID laws(for which they can find few if any actual cases of in-person voter fraud) and now in Florida and other battleground states some Republican hired firm has gone around and turned in fraudalent registration forms. Meaning some who thought they have legitimately registered to vote will be turned away at the polls.

Only the ignorant and stupid would continue to believe they can threaten and intimidate people at the polls for this election. The desperate at this point are the ones who are losing and everyday it looks more and more like that's the one you predicted will win.

October 1, 2012 at 6:45 p.m.
ibshame said...

"Jack_Dennis said... Libshame: There is nothing regional about wanting to see some past records of this guy. The press has never vetted him and you know it. Lay off with the regional slurs, Comrade."

Yeah it is more regional. Like I said before if there was ANYTHING at all in President Obama's records it would have been discovered lonnnng before now. It only took an internet search for Romney's video to be found. You think wing nuts have not tried for the last four years to find some legitimate link to their bullsh*t ignorance? You think that fish-mouth stupid looking Trump would not have spent millions just to keep from looking like the fool that he is over the birth certificate?

Yeah it's ignorance and it's in abundance here in the South more so than anywhere else.

October 1, 2012 at 6:52 p.m.
ibshame said...

"TOES02800 said... Kinda sounds like ashamed was referring to the new black panthers intimidating voters outside polling locations."

I would feel sorry for you but I don't. Your kind of ignorance is what keeps the South as being labled as backa$$wards.

October 1, 2012 at 6:55 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

"Finally, watch for the parade of straw men, the president's favorite rhetorical trick. He will set up arguments that have never been made in the service of Republican goals that have never existed, and then he will denounce both. If the appearance of a straw man serves as a trigger in a drinking game, many bottles will empty by the end of Debate No. 1".

A little paragraph from Jack's post.

October 1, 2012 at 7:02 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

ibashamed. How is posting an actual video of liberal black democrats intimidating voters being ignorant? Can you deny that these democrats were intending to intimidate white republican voters? Or even black republican voters?

You trying to deny this reality is what is most ignorant of all.

October 1, 2012 at 7:05 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

libshame: Nice. So you slur an entire region. I thought you libs were all inclusive and tolerant, no?

October 1, 2012 at 7:21 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Show me the video of republicans saying they want to kill black babies. Would they get the free pass and blind eye that you give the black panthers? You already know the answer to that question.

That's called hypocrisy.

October 1, 2012 at 7:29 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Meet the Depressed

October 1, 2012 at 7:59 p.m.
hotdiggity said...

Maybe Mitt will punch Obama with an uppercut zinger.

Hope Mitts corner has a good cut man.

October 1, 2012 at 8:26 p.m.
miraweb said...

Zinger - that's like a Twinkie with party-colored sprinkles and nothing in the middle, right?

October 1, 2012 at 8:34 p.m.
fairmon said...

Obama was against gay marriage until he was for it, his supporters say he evolved to his current postiion. Romney said he had accepted there may be justification for abortion if a preganancy resulted from rape or incest and his opponents say he is a flip flopper. Changing ones view is OK if it is evolved to but you better not change because you have given it more though or because you have additional information.

October 1, 2012 at 8:42 p.m.
dude_abides said...

harp... Isn't it neat how you can gently try to paint Obama as a Romney, and know that, simultaneously, some of your brethren will be attacking him as a Muslim, a terrorist, a foreigner, etc.? What additional info did Romney pick up, harp? That a few out of 100 rapes are "legitimate?"

"I'm sure Mitt is a great guy, it just scares me that he believes there are 12 living prophets in America. He seems patriotic, but this thing about multiple wives troubles me." -harp9993

October 1, 2012 at 9:01 p.m.
alprova said...

Harp3339 wrote: "Romney said he had accepted there may be justification for abortion if a preganancy resulted from rape or incest and his opponents say he is a flip flopper."

When Mitt Romney ran for Governor of Massachussets and for Ted Kennedy's Senate seat, he was pro-choice. He knew full and well that he could not be elected running in Massachussets as someone opposed to abortion.

As a Republican Presidential candidate, he can't garner enough votes if he declares himself to be pro-choice. Thus the flip-flop and the reason for it. Mitt Romney expects everyone to believe that he is opposed to abortion, when he probably isn't.

"Changing ones view is OK if it is evolved to but you better not change because you have given it more though or because you have additional information."

The only additional information Mitt Romney has ever considered when he has flip-flopped, is to consider which side of the issue will provide more votes for him.

Now, to be completely fair, there are many politicians who have done the same as Mitt, including the President. Most Americans are no longer opposed to gay marriage. Thus his 'evolvement' on the issue.

To suggest that Mitt's mind was changed in response to any new information is quite ludicrous. What new information has 'evolved' on the issue of abortion that Mitt may have reconsidered?

Mitt Romney is a very good example of a politician who licks his finger and then sticks it up in the air to see which way the wind blows, before adopting his current stance on controversial issues.

It is simply amazing that this man is the darling of the Republican party at the moment.

October 1, 2012 at 9:02 p.m.
dude_abides said...

That last video was something, ricardo. Especially the kid who wasn't "called" to actually put his ass where his mouth was.

October 1, 2012 at 9:48 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

No matter who the republican candidate was, alpo would say the same damn thing. Yaawwn.

October 1, 2012 at 11:06 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Last I heard, Palin isn't running.

October 1, 2012 at 11:07 p.m.
raygunz said...

Palin isn't running.Yeah but those very same "Real Amuricans" will vote for Rmoney 'cause Obama is a Muslim Kenyan Marxist who's gonna take our guns and give out free phones and birth control!(face palm)

October 1, 2012 at 11:27 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Last I heard, she was still running her mouth, daddy's boy.

October 1, 2012 at 11:34 p.m.
dude_abides said...

"People want to know who's going to win - who's going to score the punches and who's going to make the biggest difference in the arguments they make," Romney said. "You know, in my view, it's not so much winning and losing or even the people themselves - the president and myself - it's about something bigger than that. So, if I lose miserably tomorrow night, it just means I need more time to formulate my campaign platform. Like Ann said, this is hard. You try it some time. First our horse loses, then Ann's plane gets sabotaged by Muslo-Democrats, now I gotta get on stage with this guy and argue in front of everybody. I might invite Rick Perry and Herman Cain to join us, so I won't be the most vacuous empty shirt on the stage. I want my mommy, and I don't care who knows it!

October 1, 2012 at 11:47 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

"Romney decided to pursue a joint Juris Doctor/Master of Business Administration degree at Harvard. In 1975, he graduated cum laude from the school and was named a Baker Scholar for being in the top five percent of his class".

http://www.eduinreview.com/blog/2011/07/mitt-romneys-education-background/

Now, somebody show me Obama's great scholarly achievements.

October 2, 2012 at 8:25 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Ragu said: "Obama is a Muslim Kenyan Marxist who's gonna take our guns and give out free phones and birth control"!

I'm glad to see you finally coming around. The truth will set you free.

October 2, 2012 at 8:29 a.m.
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