published Tuesday, April 16th, 2013

'Robin Smith's column indifferent to truth' and more letters to the editors

Robin Smith's column indifferent to truth

Robin Smith's editorial last Monday (April 8) was deeply wrong from a moral perspective, and deceitfully wrong on the facts.

Rep. Alcee Hastings never said that pedophilia should be protected under the law, nor any of the other things Mrs. Smith claims that he did. In fact, the very right-wing website that made the whole thing up (Rethink Society) has published a retraction and an apology.

Later in the piece she nonsensically framed a quote from Dr. Martin Luther King as a comparison between idolatry and God's law. In fact the quote related specifically to segregation statutes. Mrs. Smith conveniently omits King's explication: "Any law that uplifts human personality is just. Any law that degrades human personality is unjust. All segregation statutes are unjust because segregation distorts the soul and damages the personality."

There is no more eloquent defense of the proud gay men and women who no longer accept second-class citizenry.

Finally, Mrs. Smith said gay marriage supporters are "cherry-picking" scripture. But the Bible also condones slavery, polygamy, torture, murder of women and children and human sacrifice. Surely it's not cherry picking to ignore those moral imperatives?

Indifference to the truth is a defining feature of Mrs. Smith's output, but I am beyond disappointed to see that indifference mirrored in our paper.

WES GIGLIO


Bradley sheriff taking stand against meth

I agree with and applaud Bradley County Sheriff Jim Ruth concerning his stance against meth, his assessment of the enormous public costs due to meth production, and his "strange bedfellows" quote. I also agree with the sheriff that the attempt to stifle the meth bill "all shakes out to money."

None of Sheriff Ruth's comments said, or implied, that any state legislator was accepting money for their votes. To paraphrase the words of William Shakespeare: I think the legislators protest too much.

A "bedfellow" is defined as a companion or close associate. The money issue deals directly with the bonuses, profits, pay or sales revenue that goes to a successful lobby effort, pharmaceutical companies, smurfs or meth manufacturers and dealers, respectively.

Sheriff Ruth is simply an advocate of no underlying efforts to curtail the Tennessee meth problems. And he is astonished, as am I, at those that would curtail legislation that would help.

RICHARD HUGHES, Cleveland, Tenn.

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ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Jesus Christ>>>John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, "I am The Way, The Truth, and The Life..."

A Sovereign Nation Has the Right to Discourage Supporting Individuals Who Cost Their Innocent Tax Payers Over $20,000,000,000 [Twenty Billion Dollars] Per Year. The Average Cost to Treat One Case of HIV/AIDS is Over $400,000 [Four Hundred Thousand Dollars Per Lifetime. (Source: Center for Disease Control {CDC} HIV Surveillance Report 2009, Vol 21). So, My Question to You: Shall We Change The Definition of Husband to Mean Woman, Or, The Definition of Wife to Mean Man? Shall We Do This Even Though These Unions Go Against The Wisdom and Needs of a Sovereign United States of America? This Chosen Lifestyle is Not to be Forced Upon a Sovereign Nation. Men Having Sex With Men Accounts For Approximately Three-Quaters of HIV/AIDS Diagnoses. The Cases of HIV diagnoses among Men Having Sex With Men is more than 44 times that of Heterosexual men. According to one study published by the CDC in 2010, one in five Men Having Sex With Men in the 21 cities surveyed has HIV and almost half are unaware of their status.

April 16, 2013 at 12:33 a.m.
Easy123 said...

You are a closet homosexual, Ken Orr. Come out of the closet.

April 16, 2013 at 1:21 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

I don't know how Ken Orr got back on this site, and would have let it go except he is posting the crap that got him blocked in the first place. I have flagged the above comment and encourage others to do so.

April 16, 2013 at 7:21 a.m.
rumrunr said...

ken orr... Get over it.

April 16, 2013 at 9:42 a.m.
Easy123 said...

JonRoss,

The numbers are not truthful in the context Ken Orr is presenting them.

I'm flagging you for being ignorant and an abject liar. Your filth, intolerance, bigotry, ignorance and lies are exposed every time you post. You are the lowest of human excrement. You are the smegma from the perineum of the WingNut Party.

April 16, 2013 at 2:05 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

JonRoss, ken orr has been coming here for months bashing gays using incorrect and misleading information. I and others flagged him; it appears that the editorial staff might have agreed, as he disappeared for quite awhile. You of course are free to flag me as much as you like.

April 16, 2013 at 2:08 p.m.
Easy123 said...

JonRoss,

"Bashing gays ? What in his post above is bashing gays ? And incorrect and misleading information?"

You must be stupid AND illiterate. The misleading information itself is a smear on homosexuals. The bolded portion of the post and the sentence that follows it is blatant homophobia, propaganda, bigotry, and "bashing".

"You only have to look to the President of the United States, Barack Obama, to receive a constant stream of incorrect and misleading information."

You mean Fox News, the Drudge Report, Alex Jones, etc. Everything, and I mean EVERYTHING, you post is factually incorrect, misleading, or an outright lie.

"From Obama's lies about Obamacare to his lies and cover-up of the Benghazi killings. Etc. Etc."

Considering nothing you just said is true, I'll just go ahead and call bullsh!t on the whole post. But I wouldn't expect anything less from a proven psychotic liar.

April 16, 2013 at 4:54 p.m.
Easy123 said...

JonRoss,

"What misleading information ?"

"A Sovereign Nation Has the Right to Discourage Supporting Individuals Who Cost Their Innocent Tax Payers Over $20,000,000,000 [Twenty Billion Dollars] Per Year."

"Shall We Do This Even Though These Unions Go Against The Wisdom and Needs of a Sovereign United States of America? This Chosen Lifestyle is Not to be Forced Upon a Sovereign Nation."

All of that is either misleading or false.

"You lefties are under the impression that if facts are not pleasant then they are misleading."

You WingNuts are under the impression that if you agree with what someone else says, then those beliefs must be "facts". It just so happens that you and Ken Orr rarely, if ever, say anything factual.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Nothing you say is true. Nothing you believe is congruent with reality. You're a proven liar. You're psychosis is apparent to any sane, reasonable, logical human being.

April 16, 2013 at 5:13 p.m.
Easy123 said...

You're wrong, JonnyRoss. But I expected nothing less from an ignorant liar.

April 16, 2013 at 6:46 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

As the HIV/AIDS Virus Mutates all known treatments become impotent/useless. The group responsible for the greatest transmission of this scourge is more dangerous to innocent individuals than before the first reported case of this infectious disease.

One may choose to play chess with Jesus Christ, but the HIV/AIDS Mutations are proclaiming: "You cannot win!"

Men Having Sex With Men Accounts For Approximately Three-Quaters of HIV/AIDS Diagnoses. The Cases of HIV diagnoses among Men Having Sex With Men is more than 44 times that of Heterosexual men. According to one study published by the CDC in 2010, one in five Men Having Sex With Men in the 21 cities surveyed has HIV and almost half are unaware of their status. The federal budget request for fiscal year 2011 included a total of $20.4 billion for domestic HIV and AIDS, a 4% increase from the fiscal year 2010 funding, which totaled $19.6 billion. Of this, 69 percent is for treatment, 13 percent for cash and housing assistance, and 4 percent for prevention. Lifestyle Choice. I Am Commanded by My Lord, God, and, Saviour, Jesus Christ, to Love Homosexual Individuals With The Love of God...And I Do! (For The Record). Kindest Regards, Ken Orr

One may choose to play chess with Jesus Christ, but the HIV/AIDS Mutations are proclaiming: "You cannot win!"

April 16, 2013 at 7:08 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Flagged, Ken, for the same reasons I and many others have stated here over and over.

April 16, 2013 at 7:22 p.m.
May said...

I don't think I understand your point of view, Orr. You're claiming that because there is such a thing as HIV/AIDS that it is proof homosexuality is bad? Well taking that into retrospect your argument is:

-If there is a disease that kills off people then whatever they're doing is bad.

-If the government is spending too much money on helping people with said disease then it is bad.

So I'm guessing you're against all disease research and anyone who has a disease shouldn't be helped because it costs people money? So you'd be against people who have cancer, mononucleosis, etc?

Also, I see a lot of Bible thumping in your post. Can you make a solid argument hold water without mentioning anything about the Bible or religion? If you can't, then why don't you follow other laws in the Old Testament?

April 16, 2013 at 7:28 p.m.
Easy123 said...

May,

Don't mind Ken Orr. He is a closet homosexual. He also meets the criteria for multiple personality disorders. When you see Ken Orr post, just think "Ted Haggard".

"One theory is that homosexual urges, when repressed out of shame or fear, can be expressed as homophobia. Freud famously called this process a “reaction formation” — the angry battle against the outward symbol of feelings that are inwardly being stifled."

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/opinion/sunday/homophobic-maybe-youre-gay.html?_r=0

April 16, 2013 at 8:39 p.m.
Easy123 said...

JonRoss,

That post is proof of your idiocy.

April 17, 2013 at 11:33 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Bring it on, JonRoss.

April 17, 2013 at 11:55 a.m.
Easy123 said...

JonRoss,

"easy and ike have flagged kenorr for simply stating facts and opinions"

False. Bigotry, homophobia, and misleading/false statistics are not "facts" or "opinions" that should be tolerated.

"The facts are indisputable and the opinions are simply opinions."

The facts have been disputed by everyone here and by Ken Orr himself. The opinions are homophobic and illogical.

"The hate these two have for anyone who dares to disagree with them is evident in most of their posts at the TFP."

Your ignorant, bigotry, racism, etc. is evident every time you click the 'post comment' button. You cannot point to one instance of hate from ikeithlu or myself.

"All they have been able to do in response to kenoor is squeal “homophobe” or “gay hater”."

Verifiably and demonstrably false. Do you realize that people can actually read what was said and know that you're not telling the whole story? Are you that stupid? Nevermind, I know you are.

"The epithets hurled at kenorr is bigotry in its worst form but very much in step with the filth of Progressive thuggery."

Again, proof of your deceit, idiocy, and blatant ignorance of the meaning of words. You fall in lock-step with your ignorant, homophobic, racist, Bible-thumping, WingNut brethren.

Keep going, JonRosshole. I'll keep putting you in your place.

April 17, 2013 at 1:18 p.m.
Lr103 said...

When I read many of these anti-gay rants I'm reminded of westboro church members who have plans to picket the victims and their families of the Boston Bombing at their funerals. The same westboro church that planned to picket victims of Sandy Hook and military members returning home in coffins from the conflict zones.

from newser:

"(Newser) – We'd call this a new low for Westboro Baptist Church, but these are the people who threatened to picket Sandy Hook. Now they say they'll picket the funerals of the Boston Marathon victims, the Raw Story reports. The church's reasoning, per a press release: "GOD SENT THE BOMBS! How many more terrifying ways will you have the LORD injure and kill your fellow countrymen because you insist on nation-dooming filthy [gay slur] marriage?! ... Massachusetts invited this special wrath from God Almighty when it was the FIRST STATE to pass same-sex marriage."*

@newser dot com

btw

Did Glen Beck inadvertantley provide a clue when he made a tongue-in-cheek remark about if a particular rightwing group were involved there would be no hesitation in labeling the Boston bombing a terroristic act? He was bashing President Obama by saying it was reprehensible the president didn't immediately refer to the bombing as a terrorist act.

To which a Bostonian who lives in Boston responded with a sensible, logical and intellectual reply: "I'm from Boston. My city was attacked. My wife's friend was standing next to the VIP seats when the bomb went off. 3 people died, dozens lost limbs, over a hundred casualties of an inhumane and cowardly act. What is reprehensible is that we are fighting with each other over language.. over words used to describe this act. What is reprehensible is that in our outrage we lash out at each other instead of uniting in common compassion for the victims and common defiance against those who would harm our neighbors and our peace. I realize most of the lashing out comes out of anger. I get that, I really do but there is a time and place for political debate and chastising the opposition. THIS is not one of those times"

April 17, 2013 at 2:42 p.m.
acerigger said...

JonRoss said... "Most of us are reasonable in our belief that Barack Obama hates the U.S. so much that he chokes on any words that would suggest that someone other than White domestic groups are involved."

No jon,there is nothing "reasonable" in your belief.

April 17, 2013 at 3:36 p.m.
Easy123 said...

I second what acerigger said.

April 17, 2013 at 4:39 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Men Having Sex With Men Accounts For Approximately Three-Quaters of HIV/AIDS Diagnoses. The Cases of HIV diagnoses among Men Having Sex With Men is more than 44 times that of Heterosexual men. According to one study published by the CDC in 2010, one in five Men Having Sex With Men in the 21 cities surveyed has HIV and almost half are unaware of their status.

Do I get flagged for this post? Ken ORR

April 17, 2013 at 9:52 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

An Exhaustive, In-Depth University Study Of All Of The World's Great Religions and How They View Homosexuality. Without Exception, They All Forbid Homosexual Behavior and Consider This Lifestyle Choice An Aberration (Disorder In One's Mental State). Also, It Is Indicated Within The World's Great Religions That The Homosexual Lifestyle Is Against The Laws Of Nature.

Do I get flagged for this post? Ken ORR

April 17, 2013 at 10:03 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

While CDC estimates that ONLY 4% of men in the United States are Men Having Sex With Men, the rate of new HIV diagnoses among Men Having Sex With Men in the United States is MORE THAN 44 (forty-four) TIMES that of other men (range: 522 –989 per 100,000 MSM vs. 12 per 100,000 other men). CREDIT: CENTER FOR DISEASE CONTROL [CDC] (CDC.GOV URL)

Do I get flagged for this post? Ken ORR

April 17, 2013 at 10:06 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

The federal budget request for fiscal year (FY) 2011 includes a total of $20.4 BILLION DOLLARS for domestic HIV and AIDS, a 4% increase from the FY 2010 funding, which totaled $19.6 BILLION DOLLARS.34 Federal funding for AIDS programs falls into five basic categories: care and treatment, financial and housing assistance, prevention, research, and global spending (most of which goes out through the US PEPFAR program). Of these five budgets, care spending is by far the largest - just over half of the FY 2010 budget was for care and treatment programs. THE MAJORITY of AIDS CARE FUNDING goes out through the federal MEDICARE and MEDICAID PROGRAMS for people who do not have adequate private health insurance. (Innocent American Tax Payers Forced to Pay For Those Who Choose This Lifestyle of Homosexual Behavior). I Do Not Blame Innocent Victims Such As Children and Blood Transfusion Patients (a near statistically insignificant percentage). credit: Avert.Org International HIV & AIDS charity.

Do I get flagged for this post? Ken ORR

April 17, 2013 at 10:09 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Where are the Censors? Where are the anti-First Amendment Rights Purveyors? Show us Your face of Censorship.

kwo

April 17, 2013 at 10:17 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Dear May, re: Your above post question to me:

Do You believe these two individuals belong in distinctly different categories? As Follows:

Individual #1...Contracts HIV/AIDS through no fault of their own.

Individual #2...Willfully engages in dangerous behavior which leads to HIV/AIDS.

New Testament confirms Old Testament regarding Homosexuality:

ROMANS 1:22-

"Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness,..."

Ken ORR

April 17, 2013 at 10:29 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Come out of the closet, Ken. We all know you are a homosexual.

I have also flagged your homophobic posts.

April 17, 2013 at 10:41 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Hi Easy123,

No, Easy, i am not homosexual, not even to the greatest negative numerical nano percentage. I am, though, a blood bought, blood washed, sanctified, Holy Ghost filled, supernatural tongues-talking, devil stomping, Holy Ghost and Fire Baptized, Truth proclaiming, Light possessing, Holy Bible toting, Word of God speaking, Jesus Christ Worshiping, Holy Trinity Praising, Overcoming, Faith Built, Resurrection Believing, Jesus Christ Follower. Yes, I'm gonna hold out because I'm sold out to the One who has said, "I Am The Way, The Truth, and The Life." He is none other than the One who walks on water, heals the crippled, sick, blind, and otherwise infirm. He delivers from bondages, addictions, promiscuity, evils of every kind, creates, performs miracles and wonders. He raises the dead and does this all with the giving of forgiveness for sins. His Holy Name is Jesus Christ. He is The Great I Am, The Alpha and Omega, The Bright and Morning Star, The Rose of Sharon, The Light of the world, The Giver of Every Good and Perfect Gift, and He is every description of Perfection, Glorious, Righteous, Just and True. His Name is Jesus Christ. He is my Lord, God, Redeemer and Saviour. Yes, His Name is above all names...He is Jesus Christ!

April 17, 2013 at 11:05 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Ken Orr,

"No, Easy, i am not homosexual, not even to the greatest negative numerical nano percentage."

You are, in fact, a closet homosexual. I liken you to Ted Haggard. Come out of the closet, Ken. You cannot hide behind your religion anymore. You have been found out.

"One theory is that homosexual urges, when repressed out of shame or fear, can be expressed as homophobia. Freud famously called this process a “reaction formation” — the angry battle against the outward symbol of feelings that are inwardly being stifled."

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/opinion/sunday/homophobic-maybe-youre-gay.html?_r=0

April 17, 2013 at 11:11 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Thank You JonRoss!

I truly wish they would just look a little closer at what You have been telling them for quite a while now. Surely it will finally sink in. This will be to their benefit. I think they need to look at what You are saying, and then, look again. They don't seem to truly process what You, in good conscience, desire them to know. kwo

April 18, 2013 at 8:28 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Ken Orr and JonRoss,

You're both abject morons.

April 18, 2013 at 8:40 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Easy123,

If You said that with a humanitarian love, then i will reconsider how I processed Your statement. You're alright with me, Easy. +(:>%[@=;

kwo

April 18, 2013 at 9:27 p.m.
Easy123 said...

You're literally too stupid to insult, Ken.

April 18, 2013 at 9:34 p.m.
May said...

Dear Orr, re:

Hi Orr, I don't want to come off as rude but you didn't answer anything that I asked. I was asking if you were against all diseases.

If you're only going after the diseases that involve STD's then why aren't you going after heterosexuals? The number of heterosexuals that have STD's are staggering in comparison to LGBT indiviuduals, which make up a small percentage of society.

Again you're throwing in Bible verses that doesn't contribute to your argument. Not everyone in America has the same religion you do; this is land of the free and a melting pot of cultures. You seem to be forcing your religion and religious beliefs on homosexuals. If this is the case, then why aren't you going after adulterers and the battle for drugs with the same passion you display toward your argument against homosexuals? Why aren't you arguing against divorce, or premarital sex?

And again, you're going by the old testament. If you were to fully follow the Bible why aren't you enforcing other Levitical laws? I respectfully look forward to your response without quoting the Bible, at all.

April 18, 2013 at 9:35 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Hi May,

I did try to respond to the 'gist' of Your questions when I posted the following above:

Do You believe these two individuals belong in distinctly different categories? As Follows:

Individual #1...Contracts HIV/AIDS through no fault of their own.

Individual #2...Willfully engages in dangerous behavior which leads to HIV/AIDS.

New Testament confirms Old Testament regarding Homosexuality: ROMANS 1:22-

"Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness,..."

Now, on my next post I will attempt to answer specifically the questions of Your most recent post. kwo

April 18, 2013 at 10:24 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

May asked: "If you're only going after the diseases that involve STD's then why aren't you going after heterosexuals? The number of heterosexuals that have STD's are staggering in comparison to LGBT individuals, which make up a small percentage of society."

My answer: The focus is on a per capita interpretation. Ten people may commit crimes. One of the ten commits 44 times more than the other nine. Who then is the most dangerous to society?

Real life example:

While CDC estimates that ONLY 4% of men in the United States are Men Having Sex With Men, the rate of new HIV diagnoses among Men Having Sex With Men in the United States is MORE THAN 44 (forty-four) TIMES that of other men (range: 522 –989 per 100,000 MSM vs. 12 per 100,000 other men). CREDIT: CENTER FOR DISEASE CONTROL [CDC] (CDC.GOV URL)

kwo

April 18, 2013 at 10:35 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Ken Orr is a closet homosexual. His homophobic, ignorant rhetoric is self-hatred due to his religion.

April 18, 2013 at 10:57 p.m.
May said...

Orr,

According to statistics, 1 in 5 gay men in America have an STD/HIV. (Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/23/AR2010092306828.html)

However, also according to statistics 1 in 5 people in general in America have an STD. (Source: hloving.com)

Taking into account that about 3.8% of Americans are homosexual (Source: http://gaylife.about.com/od/comingout/a/population.htm) That would mean that the fault of having the most STD's are heterosexuals since they consist of most of the population.

In other words, statistically speaking, if we round up the % of homosexuals in America to 5%, that would mean there are 20x more people in America who are heterosexual compared to homosexual. So for every 1 in 5 homosexuals who have an STD, there are 20 in 100 heterosexuals who have an STD. Meaning because the population of heterosexuals is so large they are at fault for most of the STD's in America.

Also, if you're targetting HIV/AIDS in specific, the only reason it is so common among homosexual men is because it is mainly transmitted through anal sex; however it can be transmitted through needles, vaginal intercourse, oral, and more. However, you will find that the percentage of homosexual women who have HIV/AIDS is much less.

I will also mention that obviously most people who have STD's and HIV/AIDS are sexually promiscuous. In which case your battle shouldn't be toward homosexuality, it should be against the sexual promiscuous. What do you have to say about homosexuals who don't have HIV/AIDS?

And you have yet to answer me about why you don't follow other things in Leviticus law that is talked about in the Old Testament.

April 18, 2013 at 11:05 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

May asked:

"If this is the case, then why aren't you going after adulterers and the battle for drugs with the same passion you display toward your argument against homosexuals? Why aren't you arguing against divorce, or premarital sex?"

My answer:

Jesus Christ labeled very few categories of people 'dogs'. I don't want anyone in existence being called a 'dog' by their Creator. I have Godly love and compassion for every single homosexual individual...no exceptions! Their very own Creator calls them (homosexuals, specifically, singled-out) 'dogs'. I am sorry, so sorry for this. I do know that God is perfection and has His reasons for this, which i do not understand. Every great religion of this world regards homosexuality as either, aberrant, unnatural, mentally deranged, or indeed, all of these.

Adultery, drug abuse, pre marital sex, divorce are all actively found within homosexuality, yet, homosexuality is not found in all of these categories as relates to heterosexuals.

kwo

April 18, 2013 at 11:08 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Ken Orr is a closet homosexual. His homophobic, ignorant rhetoric is self-hatred due to his religion. I liken him to Ted Haggard.

April 18, 2013 at 11:10 p.m.
May said...

What? Where in the Bible does Jesus Christ call anyone a dog? Jesus never mentioned a word about homosexuality. Provide sources and verses please.

Also, I'm not sure if you're even reading what you're posting. You just said that adultery, pre marital sex, and divorce are actively found within homosexuality? You do realize that these three things involve marriage right? Gay marriage is illegal for the most part. How can something actively be found in something else that isn't there?

And you're saying that adultery and drug abuse are homosexual exclusive? Do you have sources or facts to back your argument up?

April 18, 2013 at 11:27 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

I will show why the Washington Post statistics are flawed when compared to the Center for Disease Control stats. This especially in light of the following facts:

While CDC estimates that ONLY 4% of men in the United States are Men Having Sex With Men, the rate of new HIV diagnoses among Men Having Sex With Men in the United States is MORE THAN 44 (forty-four) TIMES that of other men (range: 522 –989 per 100,000 MSM vs. 12 per 100,000 other men). CREDIT: CENTER FOR DISEASE CONTROL [CDC] (CDC.GOV URL

I know that i must get some sleep to make tomorrow a 'better' work day (if that is a possibility/'better work day'). I look forward to more discussion with You on this subject. I sense fairness and honesty in Your comments. Thank You +(:>

If You have the time, please get more information on dispensations within Creation/The Scriptures of The Bible. If You don't want to invest time into this, then I will offer You some information on this tomorrow or shortly thereafter. I do not mean to condescend...You may already have forgotten more about dispensations than I have ever known!

Anyway, i have tried to point out to others that the New Testament will 'back up/confirm' what the Old Testament has stated if a given practice, or, idea was to continue for new generations. The case is that homosexuality prohibition has been one of these subjects which has been 'backed up/confirmed by the New Testament.

New Testament confirms Old Testament regarding Homosexuality: ROMANS 1:22-

"Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness,..."

April 18, 2013 at 11:28 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

I Corinthians 6:9-11 effeminate means: Greek-μαλακός malakos, mä-lä-ko's 1) of a catamite

2) of a boy kept for homosexual relations with a man

3) of a male who submits his body to unnatural lewdness

4) of a male prostitute

9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

***New Testament backs up/confirms Leviticus (Old Testament).

kwo

April 18, 2013 at 11:40 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

I see what You're saying May "You just said that adultery, pre marital sex, and divorce are actively found within homosexuality? You do realize that these three things involve marriage right? Gay marriage is illegal for the most part. How can something actively be found in something else that isn't there?"

My answer: What I am saying is that homosexual individuals who have, for some reason, married the opposite sex, can also commit all of the behaviors You mention, such as adultery/divorce. Just some innocent communication misunderstanding. kwo

April 18, 2013 at 11:47 p.m.
May said...

There are several problems here.

Problem one: In reference to Romans, the problem(s) of course is, what is “natural”? The word “natural” comes from two Greek words phusikos and phusis. These words literally mean that which is a persons "natural disposition" and something that comes "instinctively" to them. In other words, it is who you are naturally; without reprogramming, counseling, or any other form of behavioral modification that attempts to change your behavior to that which society has deemed acceptable.

Therefor, if homosexuality comes natural to a person just as heterosexuality comes naturally to someone else then there is no conflict.

Problem two: Paul is reciting what was said in the Old Testament. When Jesus came he spoke of 'Bringing a new covenant' and thus replacing the laws of the old. This takes care of the laws that were no longer deemed necessary, such as slavery, stoning women, and homosexuality among others(were homosexuality ever an issue). Jesus encouraged his disciples to talk about the old testament and to recite it to others, but to not enforce Leviticus law. In short, Paul is doing exactly what Jesus told him. He is reciting the old testament, but in no way does he want Leviticus law enforced in accordance to what Jesus said to him.

And problem three: Were you to disregard my other points the fact still stays; Jesus never said the verse in Romans, Paul did. Again, Jesus didn't utter a word about homosexuality.

(Sources: http://www.gaychurch.org/Gay_and_Christian_YES/calling_the_rainbow_nation_home/7d_gac_clobber_passages_what_is_natural.htm)

April 18, 2013 at 11:53 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

May asked ORR: "And you're saying that adultery and drug abuse are homosexual exclusive? Do you have sources or facts to back your argument up?"

My answer: No, I'm not saying there is this kind of exclusivity. I only mean that all of the 'vices' You name can be found among the homosexual population, yet, homosexuality cannot be found within/among the heterosexual population. It's in effect a tautological statement. I truly mean the statement, and am not trying to be coy, or, cute/disrespectful. kwo

April 18, 2013 at 11:55 p.m.
May said...

Corinthians is found in the old testament and does not pertain to the laws that Jesus set aside for people to follow. As I said in my other post, Jesus told us that he has brought a new covenant and that we are no longer bound by Leviticus law.

Not to mention the word that was translated from homosexual is arsenokoitais which translated into 'abusers of themselves and mankind'.

It is used in the phrase you are quoting in conjunction with idolaters, adulterers, thieves, etc. There is no comparison of a loving homosexual relationship with a thief or a person who 'abuses' themselves.

(Source: http://www.gaychurch.org/Gay_and_Christian_YES/calling_the_rainbow_nation_home/7c_gac_clobber_passages_arsenokoitais.htm)

April 19, 2013 at 12:06 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Jesus spoke to the true plan which is harmonious and righteous in nature: Definition of Wife: Greek: γυνή, gynē, gü-nā'. Part of Speech=feminine noun. 1) a woman of any age, whether a virgin, or married, or a widow

2) a wife

a) of a betrothed woman

Matthew: 19:3 The Pharisees also came unto Him, tempting Him, and saying unto Him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause? Mat 19:4 And He answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that He which made [them] at the beginning made them male and female, Mat 19:5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Mat 19:6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

Ken ORR

April 19, 2013 at 12:09 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

I am called to love all people. This i do. I have no hatred...none.

The Word of God says, (Philippians 2:12)

"Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling."

I truly believe, May, that You and I are trying to: "work out your (our) own salvation with fear and trembling."

Ken ORR

April 19, 2013 at 12:18 a.m.
dao1980 said...

Gross. Ken please don't mention your "trembling". It's bad enough that we all have to watch you rub your bible unto blowing your nonsense all over this public forum.

The worn out facade of bombastic non-sequitur style preaching that you employ, is so far beyond relevant it's shameful that you even think you're homosexuality is remotely hidden behind it.

It's bad enough that you've painted us such a terrible and creepy picture of yourself as the lurking uncle orr, slithering around looking for a child to tickle, a wallet to pilfer as "tithe", or a small domestic animal to get some "alone time" with.

Your posts are truly ridiculous. I can't help but picture your feeble mind, working in vain like an old man with no teeth trying ferociously to gum the skin off of a fresh apple.

I'm sure your church is very proud... or terribly horrified...

April 19, 2013 at 7:30 a.m.
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