published Thursday, April 25th, 2013

Gun owners' mistrust reason for failed bill and other letters to the editors

Gun owners' mistrust reason for failed bill

A seemingly reasonable U.S. Senate gun control proposal failed last week. Those who favor further restrictions on gun ownership have themselves and government to fault, but not in the popular context.

Decades of encroachment into Second Amendment rights at all government levels have brought such deep mistrust among gun owners that reasonable gun control measures now are rejected. Gun control advocates and politicians groveling for their favor have created an enemy of law abiding gun owners and the NRA.

This conflict was not started by the NRA and those who choose to responsibly own firearms. Gun control advocates often masquerade as lone Samaritans around tragic acts of violence perpetrated by mad or criminal persons.

Elected officials should be the first to frown upon limiting a constitutional right, yet they are often among the first to propose restrictions upon those rights. When government authorities recognize their role is protecting constitutional rights -- and not to endlessly threaten those rights -- a chance of regaining a trust that was lost many years ago may begin to take form.

DAN C. JOHNSON


Politicians bend over backward for NRA

Congrats on a victory for the Second Amendment. So many say thank you, especially the next school shooter, theater massacre mastermind and domestic abusive husband with the criminal record.

It has been affirmed, a child's right to live has been superseded by anybody's right to own a gun, but rejoice because you senators really showed that minority, left-wing president how scared you are of the NRA.

The truth is, it is more difficult to rent a car or buy allergy medicine than it is to buy a gun. Politicians work for the people in their back pockets.

If anything, this should have proven to us that money and power talk, and the victims in Chicago, Sandy Hook and Aurora may as well have been poor and deaf because the NRA is almighty. It's cowardly that politicians would rather bend over backward for the NRA by not passing common sense legislation, rather than making the USA safer for the people they are suppose to be representing.

In true political fashion, they will hide behind closed doors rather than face the victims of Aurora, Sandy Hook, etc., and tell them why they simply don't care.

Hunter Taylor


Alexander, Corker share flawed logic

I think that senators, including Lamar Alexander and Bob Corker, who voted against the Toomey-Manchin gun control bill should be ashamed that they put the interests of the NRA ahead of innocent gun victims.

If their argument is that it will be somewhat harder to obtain a gun, that's a small price to pay to slow down the sales of guns to criminals and the mentally handicapped. If they are perpetuating the popular myth that the government will come for their guns, they are furthering the fear tactics of the NRA.

We register our cars, and no one is coming for them.

DAVID DYER

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John_Proctor said...

Hunter Taylor has it half way right. Politicians do bend over for the NRA but they bend forward, not backwards. Anything to keep those campaign coffers full and overflowing.

April 25, 2013 at 12:29 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Politicians bend over backward for NRA

No, the politicians did not bend over backwards for NRA. They bent, nearly to the point of breaking, for FREEDOM. Every war, every battle fought has it's horrible collateral damages.

The wars and battles of this United States of America have been fought to assure our FREEDOM. Our Second Amendment Rights to bear arms...this Freedom has also, indeed come with collateral damages. collateral damages.

A quote from the article Politicians bend over backward for NRA states, "If anything, this should have proven to us that money and power talk,..." I strongly believe the quote would have been more accurate if the wording was, "If anything, this should have proven to us that FREEDOM and power talks."

I am a 'card carrying' NRA member, not because I want to be associated with wealth, but because I want to be associated with FREEDOM. I want to be able to defend the elderly, children and those who would be harmed by criminal home invaders, robbers, muggers, and other evil perpetrators. I want to be able to answer those who would infringe upon our safety and FREEDOM (from harm) by lighting them up like a Christmas tree...if that's what it takes.

Even Jesus Christ of Nazareth said that there is, indeed, a time to take up the sword. I personally believe we are living in such a time. Saint Luke 22:36-38

36 Then said He unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in Me, And He was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning Me have an end.

38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And He said unto them, It is enough.

Ken ORR

April 25, 2013 at 2:16 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

I wonder if Ken could pass a background check...

April 25, 2013 at 7:03 a.m.
Leaf said...

Ken Orr is completely off his nut. This guy needs medication before he hurts himself or others.

April 25, 2013 at 9:16 a.m.
Plato said...

Corker and Alexander have exposed themselves to the fact that the opinions of 90% of the public do not matter to them, it's the opinion of gun manufacturers and the NRA that count. But there is going to be a political price for all those nay voters this time.

Since the only thing they listen to is those with the biggest mouths and biggest wallets, get behind the movement to shame these senators into changing their stance on a re-vote of the gun safety bill. Support these organizations:

Mayors Against Illegal Guns: http://www.demandaction.org/

Americans For Responsible Solutions (Gabby Giffords & Mark Kelly) http://americansforresponsiblesolutions.org/

Corker and Alexander and the other Nay voters are counting on the people forgetting about their vote over time. Don't let that happen. Keep reminding them every day of their cowardly, disgusting vote, and the blood that will be on their hands because of it.

April 25, 2013 at 10:02 a.m.
rumrunr said...

according to ken orr, jesus would have packed a 45. gotta protect that freedom to inflict that collateral damage

April 25, 2013 at 10:11 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

This quote is profound and exquisitely astute: "Let's see.....26 people killed in Newtown and it's the gun's fault while 3 people are killed and 150+ are wounded in Boston and it's the bomber's fault. Could one of you proggies please explain that logic to me?"

kwo

April 25, 2013 at 10:46 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Interesting that one deranged kid killed 26 people in just a few minutes when two people with two bombs managed only 3? Luck? Fate? Can you imagine what would have happened if these two men had semi-automatics with high capacity magazines?

April 25, 2013 at 12:24 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Orr,

"They bent, nearly to the point of breaking, for FREEDOM."

*The freedom for anyone and everyone to be able to gain access to a gun no matter what their background indicates, even criminals.

"The wars and battles of this United States of America have been fought to assure our FREEDOM."

I can name several wars that had nothing to do with our freedom. Try every war post-WWII.

"Our Second Amendment Rights to bear arms...this Freedom has also, indeed come with collateral damages. collateral damages."

You mean people use that Amendment to murder others, right? I guess that collateral damage is justified as long as people have loopholes to acquire guns.

" I want to be able to defend the elderly, children and those who would be harmed by criminal home invaders, robbers, muggers, and other evil perpetrators"

You aren't a superhero or an officer of the law, Ken Orr. You're deluded.

"I want to be able to answer those who would infringe upon our safety and FREEDOM (from harm) by lighting them up like a Christmas tree...if that's what it takes."

You do not have that right. You are not a vigilante or a police officer. You aren't in the military or Superman. You are psychotic.

"Even Jesus Christ of Nazareth said that there is, indeed, a time to take up the sword. I personally believe we are living in such a time. Saint Luke 22:36-38"

You misinterpret your own holy book. Jesus does not call for anyone to take up swords or guns to use against others.

In the story, Jesus told those that didn't have swords to buy them in order to fulfill the prophesy in Isaiah 53:12 that said, "and he was numbered with the transgressors". The verse is not a call to arms. It was a fulfillment of prophesy. The disciples were the "transgressors", but could only be considered such if they had weapons. Therefore, Jesus ordered them to buy swords. Only two were brought back and that was enough to fulfill the prophesy.

Here is what Jesus really said about vengeance and taking up arms:

Matthew 5:38-42:

“You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.' But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you."

Matthew 5:44:

"But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.."

Matthew 26:52:

Put your sword back in its place,” Jesus said to him, “for all who draw the sword will die by the sword."

Your beliefs are in direct opposition to the teachings of Jesus. Your interpretation of Luke 22:36-38 is wrong. You are a heretic.

Your psychosis has been duly noted, Orr. Want to try again?

April 25, 2013 at 1:42 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Easy, You do good work, and I want to congratulate You on the genuine time and energy investment You provide to others on this site.

Regarding the Chattanooga Times Free Press, are You a subscriber to the newsprint version? Do You have home delivery of the Chattanooga Times Free Press Newspaper? I think it only fair that those of us who utilize their venues and services should be paying customers. I don't work for the TFP, but, if someone can afford a full, or, partial weeks subscription, then I think they should subscribe. It is a very American thing to do.

Ken ORR

April 25, 2013 at 10:03 p.m.
dao1980 said...

Friggin weirdo. Watch out TFP people, he may want to "tickle" you..

April 25, 2013 at 11:09 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Hi dao1980

For some reason You seem like a kind-hearted person to me. Very level-headed too! Do You have a home delivery subscription? I do seriously hope that all of us who can afford the nominal fee will show appreciation by subscribing. Some of my worse days have been made significantly better by reading the posts and interacting with the commenters on this site. Some of the greatest laughs of my entire life have come from the premium wit and humor delivered on here. I truly mean it when i say 'Thank You'.

Ken ORR

April 25, 2013 at 11:38 p.m.
Easy123 said...

dao1980,

Ken Orr is hitting on us through the solicitation of newspaper subscriptions. The man is so far in the closet at this point that he's resorting to using the TFP comments section to interact with men. This is his avenue to get away from his wife. Orr has said many times that his wife tells him to get off the computer. Suspicious, wouldn't you say?

April 25, 2013 at 11:56 p.m.
dao1980 said...

Yep, I agree Easy. It's downright creepy when he points that deranged mind right at you... like looking into the void... and realizing that something twisted, terrifying, and hungry is looking right back.

I do find it kinda sad that no one at whatever church he attends seems to have the ability to recognize his frantic mental anguish and call for care or counselling.

Though, he may actually be posting from a dormitory style counselling center.. we'll never know.

It does seem as though he's truly lost his way.

I hope he's not violent or dangerous, or at least that those around him keep a high level of awareness.

Anyone possessing the veritable cornucopia of phsych issues that he exhibits with each post definitely has the potential for erratic behavior.

April 26, 2013 at 8:21 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Wow! This is classic!......."Ken Orr is hitting on us through the solicitation of newspaper subscriptions." A beautiful example of thinking 'out of the box' wit and humor which elicits laughter and lightheartedness. This is enough to get a person off of high blood pressure medicine. Even the Holy Bible states,

Proverbs 17:22

"A merry heart doeth good like a medicine: but a broken spirit drieth the bones.".

Also,Psalm 126:2
"Then was our mouth filled with laughter, and our tongue with singing: then said they among the heathen, The Lord hath done great things for them".

Did You know the men and women on this site could, through honor and mutual humanitarian respect, begin meeting at a local coffee house to discuss/debate current events/issues. We would have the valuable benefit of seeing real human facial expressions and hearing real human polite conversation. This would be one of the nation's first 'Newspaper Editorial Clubs'. Then, this would bring attention to the Chattanooga Times Free Press...generate more income for them (advertisement from our newsworthy club), also of great value, exonerate those cheapskates who utilize TFP venues, news reports, coupons, etc, yet refuse to, at least, pay the very nominal fee and become a bona fide subscriber of a 'Top Ten Nationally Awarded' home delivery Newspaper!

Shall we open these new horizons? Who will help begin this 'non profit' (to us) gregarious endeavor? Who will add a beautifully valuable dimension to the Chattanooga Times Free Press Editorial Comment experience? Who?

Ken ORR

April 26, 2013 at 11:53 a.m.
dao1980 said...

Ewwww, that's nasty.. please keep your booty-fingers to yourself kenny.

April 26, 2013 at 12:09 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Did You know the men and women on this site could, through honor and mutual humanitarian respect, begin meeting at a local coffee house to discuss/debate current events/issues. We would have the valuable benefit of seeing real human facial expressions and hearing real human polite conversation.

I have thought this from time to time, but there are posters here that are truly scary. Of course, their online personae may be completely different than their true selves. Nevertheless, I think I would probably not do it. Of course, I have moved away from SE TN.

Sad though, there are quite a few I'd love to meet over a beer. Or a glass of scotch.

April 26, 2013 at 3:47 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

lkeithlu, You are truly endued with Class... A high caliber individual. Those like You are not opposed to healthy, honest conviviality.

kwo

April 26, 2013 at 6:56 p.m.
conservative said...

Ken Orr,

You are correct, Jesus directed Peter and his disciples to arm themselves. Jesus had said to Peter and the other disciples:

35 And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing.

36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke22:35-36

Now, The "transgressors" specifically referred to the two thieves that were crucified alongside Jesus Mark 15:27-28:

27 And with him they crucify two thieves; the one on his right hand, and the other on his left.

28 And the scripture was fulfilled, which saith, And he was numbered with the transgressors.

Liberals/Atheists/unbelievers have tried every trick to get people to disarm themselves. Misleading others about the meaning of Scripture is just another attempt to fool people.

April 28, 2013 at 4:42 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Thank You conservative for the confirmation. Some of the Christ Haters truly introduce confusion/misinformation.

I continue to study and am grateful for confirmation of the conclusions i have drawn. Thank You.

Ken ORR

April 28, 2013 at 5:50 p.m.
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