published Thursday, April 25th, 2013

The Question

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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AndrewLohr said...

And why does Mr Bennett hate people who like production and balanced budgets? Wake up and drink your tea!

I've lived in Pakistan before A.D. 1979. They make good tea (chai.) They declared Ahmaddiyyas a non-Muslim minority, showing less than love toward a non-threat (hatred of the less powerful, not just the more powerful). They routinely and perfunctorily showed less than love toward Israel, at a distance, and toward India, a more powerful neighbor. Their attitude toward the US had ups and downs.

Why? Contrast Mohammed with Jesus. Mohammed had his nice moments--they say he cut off his sleeve on which a cat was sleeping so he could go to prayers without disturbing the cat--but he did make wars and order executions, and Muslims don't ascribe miracles of healing to him. Jesus did heal people, showing compassion and power in ways Mohammed did not. Jesus Christ taught radical love, and showed it at His own expense "in that while we were still sinners Christ died for us" (Romans 5:8). So following Jesus brings love and compassion to the fore in a way lacking to Islam and atheism. Even if (as I believe) executions and just wars and politics can fall within the scope and approval of Jesus the King of kings, they weren't on His to-do list the way they were on Mohammed's; they're not what He was about, just as health rather than surgery is the aim of medicine yet surgery has its place. Also, since Mohammed stayed dead but Jesus rose up alive, trusting God rather than reacting to situations can be more part of Christianity. So follow Jesus, the Prince of peace.

April 25, 2013 at 12:30 a.m.
John_Proctor said...

Andrew, with all of those little voices in your head talking at the same time, how do you chose which ones to listen to? Your continual choruses of "My god's better than your god, my god's better than yours" are tiresome.

April 25, 2013 at 12:51 a.m.
Easy123 said...

AndrewLohr,

You're delusional. You're maladapted. You're illogical. You're psychotic.

Anyone that can type stuff like this: "just as health rather than surgery is the aim of medicine yet surgery has its place." and act like that's completely logical or not ignorant in so many ways can and should be described using the adjectives I mentioned above. And I haven't even mentioned the religious mumbo-jumbo.

"So following Jesus brings love and compassion to the fore in a way lacking to Islam and atheism."

As an atheist, I beg to differ. Every atheist on this site has shown much more love and compassion than any Christian here. Want proof? Read anything written by conservative (a "Christian"), then read anything written by Ikeithlu (an atheist).

Also, I think it's egregiously short sighted to call the guy that condemns people to eternal agony in perpetual flames "loving" or "compassionate". The character of Jesus had some good moral teachings (that were not exclusive to him, by the way), but that fact doesn't exactly make up for the "eternal damnation" part.

April 25, 2013 at 12:52 a.m.
nucanuck said...

The Tsarnaev brother, when asked why they set off bombs at the Boston Marathon, responded, because we were angry about Afghanistan and Iraq. Why we in the US don't see the connection between our foreign policy and our Number One rating as the world's most despised country is hard to fathom.

While we can't know the ulterior motives of our government, we have to wonder why we supported al Qaeda elements in Libya and now in Syria unless it was to destabilize and weaken those countries. Neither government posed a threat to the US, so why did we intervene?

We have just resumed drone operations in Yemen. Is there no end to our trouble-making? We know full well why most of Islam hates us and yet we persist as though it is our right.

My America has lost her way!

April 25, 2013 at 12:53 a.m.
nucanuck said...

Andrew, should your Jesus return I suspect that he might drone the rampaging money-changers in the Temple. I'd give him a high-five for that.

April 25, 2013 at 12:59 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

RELIGION RUINS EVERYTHING

How many wars have been fought over religion? How many people have died over the idea that their god was best'? Thousands? Millions?

To all you arrogantly naive fundamentalists - both Muslim and Christian - I say this:

What you do in your own home on your own time is your own business.

Same goes for what I do in my home on my time.

You find comfort in fairy tales? Good for you, glad you found something that works. Clay's cartoon is about our drone program and the reign of terror perpetrated on villains and victims alike. Too often collateral damage includes woman and children and it's being done in the name of the United States of America. There seems to be little oversight and no clear operational parameters.

I know that war doesn't feel close any more. It has fallen out of favor with the media, but the beat goes on. Most of the 1.5 Billion muslims on earth heard President Pinhead announced back in 2002 that invading Afghanistan was a 'CRUSADE.' Because, you know, he was so stupid he didn't know what a Crusade was. He also didn't know that muslims would understand its historical context and react negatively.

Rumsfeld once pondered: are we creating more terrorists than we're killing?

Religion ruins everything.

April 25, 2013 at 1:09 a.m.
joepulitzer said...

Seeing all the atheists, agnostics, Christian bashers etc. on the Times Free Press comments page speaks volumes about why the newspaper is going down the toilet drain. If these humanistic fools ever completely take over our nation, it will go down the drain as well. They are an albatross around the neck of the Statue of Liberty. Blackwater, if you really knew the message of Christianity, you would know that it teaches "love thy neighbor" not destroy him, as you claim. Christianity is a fairy tale? Remain an atheist until the end, and it will become your worst nightmare. Until then, spit and blow fire out your nostrils all you want.

April 25, 2013 at 4:58 a.m.
delmar said...

Astonishing how some people only see what they want to see in other people's comments. (walking away shaking head in disbelief)

April 25, 2013 at 6:44 a.m.
conservative said...

Good question!

Why do Liberals hate the U.S.?

April 25, 2013 at 6:57 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

I am a liberal atheist and I love the US, conservative. So much for your stereotype. Conservatives do not have a monopoly on patriotism.

I could do the same with you: why do Christians hate everyone who is not Christian?

April 25, 2013 at 7:07 a.m.
fairmon said...

Why is it a U.S. issue what happens in another country any where on earth unless they attack us? Should they attack us react by destroying that country without regard for collateral damage. Close the 105 bases around the world, bring troops home, build a military capable of defending America and able to react to any attack. This administration has no foreign policy or principles, it just keeps picking at a sore and making it worse. The repubs offer nothing better, they advocate more meddling. Libertarians offer the best plan.

April 25, 2013 at 7:23 a.m.
fairmon said...

The FAA is playing games with sequestration. It is time to add a FAA charge to each airline ticket and have the 20% that do 80% of the flying pay for the service.

April 25, 2013 at 7:26 a.m.
dude_abides said...

Maximus Writ Large! Replete with F-Bombs. Don't bomb Andrew's old mosque, Captain Keyboard.

April 25, 2013 at 7:33 a.m.
conservative said...

How blessed is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked, Nor stand in the path of sinners, Nor sit in the seat of scoffers! But his delight is in the law of the Lord, And in His law he meditates day and night. He will be like a tree firmly planted by streams of water, Which yields its fruit in its season And its leaf does not wither; And in whatever he does, he prospers. The wicked are not so, But they are like chaff which the wind drives away. Therefore the wicked will not stand in the judgment, Nor sinners in the assembly of the righteous. For the Lord knows the way of the righteous, But the way of the wicked will perish. Psalm 1

April 25, 2013 at 7:38 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

AMEN CLAY BENNETT.

We would not be having our civil liberties taken away nor be having our country turned into a police state if our government were not pissing people off all over the world with their self righteous national interests and total lack of respect for national sovereignty.

April 25, 2013 at 7:39 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Don't you have your own words to use, conservative? Since you did not address my stereotype of Christians it must be true.

I agree, BRP. Although history has many examples where our help was needed and requested, I wonder about our motivations in the Middle East. Our interference (and that of the UK) has generated a tense and unstable environment. I think if there had been no oil there we would have lost interest long ago. (unless of course there were communists)

April 25, 2013 at 7:39 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

lkeithlu said... "I think if there had been no oil there we would have lost interest long ago."

I think you are exactly correct. I have gotten to the point that I think we should be fully funding the military on oil import duties. Then you would get the right people paying for what they use.

April 25, 2013 at 7:49 a.m.
jesse said...

Why do the Shiites HATE the Sunni's? Ain't neither one o them got any drones!

If the Islamist didn't have us handy they would be killing each other!!(well actually they are ,but there ya go!)

April 25, 2013 at 8:15 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Jesse, you have hit on something really important. The Middle East countries are mostly artificial, tribal territories and historic conflicts not fully understood, with a "leader" selected by western nations that represents only one ethnic or tribal group. Add to that our tendency to help overthrow regimes that are not friendly to western interests and replace them with ones that are, some of which then rack up horrible records of crimes against their own citizens. (Funny, we did this in Central America, and then wondered why the communists made such progress there.)

April 25, 2013 at 8:23 a.m.
limric said...

Great cartoon Clay with a ‘hidden in plain sight’ message that needs to be drilled into the collective psyche of Americans like a Hellfire through the roof of some ”Mother's dirt hut in Afghanistan.”

You can alleviate the anger and name calling that my diatribe will cause, and the derision sure to sprout like Dandelions on a golf green by reading BRP’s 7:39 a.m. post. It says the same thing albeit more succinctly.

BLOWBACK

The majority of Americans are idiots that believe evil terrorists (all of the Middle East save Israel) hate our freedom and are out to crush democracy and the American way of life. The same America that has supported numerous dictators throughout the world, and has initiated and perpetuated non-stop conflicts over much the last century for the benefit of corporations, DHS goons and military contractors that create(yes I said creates) ‘evil doers’ so that the never-ending story continues. Call it Disaster Capitalism or Ouroboros Economics… aka the ‘Enemy Industrial Complex’.

Thus when ‘our’ representative democracy is led by representatives that promote a foreign policy based on resource theft by indiscriminate bombing, murder, torture, rendition(secret) and indefinite detention of their friends & neighbors; the victims, relatives and friends of said indiscriminate theft, bombing, murder, torture, rendition(secret) and indefinite detention have every reason to believe that the public that fully & freely elected these representatives are every bit as responsible for all the indiscriminate bombing, murder, torture, rendition(secret) and indefinite detention ---- for which the victims have every right to try and stop.

At least G.W. Bush didn’t pretend he wasn’t a warmongering corporate lackey and Republicans should be bitch slapped for their obtuse support. Obama does (pretend) and continues/expands a profoundly anti-democratic contempt for openness, due process and international law, to the eternal shame of the far left and his apologists.

April 25, 2013 at 8:33 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Cancer, Aids, bird-flu, heart disease, psoriasis, skin-tags. all the fault of the U.S.

April 25, 2013 at 8:51 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Plain Truth, that was pointless. Think before you post.

Of course, if you don't mind looking foolish, carry on. No skin off my rear.

April 25, 2013 at 8:54 a.m.
Leaf said...

Excellent cartoon. Surely this is something we can all agree on. Surely. . .

April 25, 2013 at 8:54 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Hey if you and I are agreeing with BRP and jesse, that's a good start!

April 25, 2013 at 8:56 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

JonRoss doesn't get the cartoon. Big surprise. By the way, flagged your post. Have a great day!

Gotta go. Let the expletives fly in my absence.

April 25, 2013 at 9 a.m.
alprova said...

BRP wriote: "AMEN CLAY BENNETT. We would not be having our civil liberties taken away nor be having our country turned into a police state if our government were not pissing people off all over the world with their self righteous national interests and total lack of respect for national sovereignty."

Do my eyes deceive me? BRP actually supporting a Clay Bennett cartoon?

Hell just froze over.

April 25, 2013 at 9:02 a.m.
Oz said...

lkeithlu....Why do Christians hate everyone who is not Christian?

Congratulations on the most asinine statement you have ever written. Half of my friends are non-believers, a couple are dogmatic liberals, and one aquaintance is gay. They are all people I like, we don't agree on everything, and agree to disagree on a lot of things but hate has never entered the picture.

April 25, 2013 at 9:04 a.m.
ibshame said...

"limiric said: At least G.W. Bush didn’t pretend he wasn’t a warmongering corporate lackey and Republicans should be bitch slapped for their obtuse support. Obama does (pretend) and continues/expands a profoundly anti-democratic contempt for openness, due process and international law, to the eternal shame of the far left and his apologists."

I had hoped once President Obama was elected in 2008, having been a Constitutional Law Professor, he would dial back on the broad range of authority and powers that were granted to Bush but he didn't. I hold President Obama as accountable as I did Bush, maybe even more so since I voted for him not once but twice, but it's as if once those powers have been granted no President wants to give them up.

April 25, 2013 at 9:07 a.m.
patriot1 said...

Jesse....every politican or tin-pot dictator needs a good boogeyman.

April 25, 2013 at 9:11 a.m.
Leaf said...

"What part of fascist do you Obamabastards not undestand ?"

JonRoss, made my day. You're so funny!

April 25, 2013 at 9:12 a.m.
alprova said...

PlainTruth wrote: "Cancer, Aids, bird-flu, heart disease, psoriasis, skin-tags. all the fault of the U.S."

JonRoss wrote: "Plain Truth speaks the truth. It is just as logical as the illogical crap spewed by the lefty thugs populating this site."

If you think the above is "logical" in any sense of the word, JonRoss, maybe if someone thinks really hard about it, they can will you to have a heart attack.

April 25, 2013 at 9:13 a.m.
conservative said...

For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. 1John5:3

April 25, 2013 at 9:16 a.m.

In isolationsist fairyland, the U.S. economy can survive outside the scope of globalism, and the countries that hate the U.S. are benign, objective, and rational, interested only in managing their own affairs - their actions do not affect U.S. interests. The Intern's Cairo speech and the bowing to King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia were big hits among Islamists. Among citizens of our primary ally in the region, however, regard for the U.S. was set back decades. The only way to improve our image in many of the countries that hate us is to become anti-Semitic. Early on in his Internship, Obama, along with NPR, hinted that he’s open to the idea, but since backing away, Islamist hatred toward the U.S. has continued apace.

I love how the God-haters deflect the world’s hatred of its secularism by blaming it on “religion.” Professor William Cavanaugh recently published some excellent scholarship about the unspoken political agenda behind associating political violence with religious radicalism. He points out that even the term "religion" is a western contrivance used to marginalize the political targets of western state violence. "The Myth of Religious Violence" is the title.

April 25, 2013 at 9:19 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

PlainTruth said... "Cancer, Aids, bird-flu, heart disease, psoriasis, skin-tags. all the fault of the U.S."

Not to say that those particular things are the fault of the US, but when you stick your nose in EVERYBODY'S business and try to force your world view on them you create many enemies.

(hint to liberals, this applies within our own borders as well)

April 25, 2013 at 9:26 a.m.
jesse said...

Hate,war, bloodshed and Bigotry are part of the Human Genome!

I would suggest that you read a book "African Genisis"! ( i'm sure Limric has allready been there!) I't will tell you all you need to know about why we are like we are! We are just what we are and it ain't never gonna change! A good microcosm of this takes place every day right here on this forum!

April 25, 2013 at 9:27 a.m.
alprova said...

lkeithlu posed the question: "Why do Christians hate everyone who is not Christian?"

Oz responded with "Congratulations on the most asinine statement you have ever written. Half of my friends are non-believers, a couple are dogmatic liberals, and one aquaintance is gay. They are all people I like, we don't agree on everything, and agree to disagree on a lot of things but hate has never entered the picture."

You Sir, are a very tolerant Christian. I applaud you for being so.

Ikeithlu made a mistake in not including the words "some or most" in her question, but you cannot deny that there are not people out there who routinely express hate towards those who are not entirely on board with their beliefs, can you?

Would you consider Eric Robert Rudolph to be an example of a loving, peaceful Christian? Extremists exist on all fronts, and there are varying degrees of hate and discontent among us all.

For instance, I detest dishonesty with a passion. I have a friend that I like on a personal level, but the man cannot be trusted to tell the truth. I have never witnessed a more pathological liar in my life. Maximus runs a close second to my friend.

conservative, our resident Christian spokesman, spews his own examples of hate and condemnation just about on a daily basis.

There are many Christians who are avid racists, and they base their hate on that which can be read in the Bible. And yes, the KKK does still exist, although I am not sure that the new, head shaving dudes of the KKK base their beliefs on Biblical scripture.

It may just be a white thang...

April 25, 2013 at 9:27 a.m.
jesse said...

IKE!!! When you understand that for humans EVERTHING is about TRIBES at the basic level !THEN what is going on in the world starts to make some sense!

From the time we came down out of the tree it's been all about #1 family,then clan,then tribe ,now it's about Nations,Or race or religion or politics! And if all of that went away,We would find a NEW reason to sloughter each other!

April 25, 2013 at 9:40 a.m.
alprova said...

We came down out of trees? WTF?

April 25, 2013 at 9:43 a.m.
jesse said...

AL, some where in your ancestry one of your ancestors climed down out of a tree and thought"Time to start eatin the good stuff"BELIEVE it!

Shortly after that they discoverd FIRE ! THEN BAR B QUE! Then all the animals was on the MENU! BAR B QUE was probly the time we quit being animals and started becoming civilized!

Limric won't be able to get a grip on this, he tries to b-b-q on a weber grill!exactly!

April 25, 2013 at 9:51 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

"Congress is looking at ways to escape the coils of the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) by making itself and its employees exempt from the provisions of the act. This show of confidence in its own handiwork – the major legislative accomplishment of the Obama administration – is pretty much what the public has come to expect of the political class,"

April 25, 2013 at 10:02 a.m.
Leaf said...

whats_wrong typed. . .

"I love how the God-haters deflect the world’s hatred of its secularism by blaming it on “religion.” Professor William Cavanaugh recently published some excellent scholarship about the unspoken political agenda behind associating political violence with religious radicalism. He points out that even the term "religion" is a western contrivance used to marginalize the political targets of western state violence. "The Myth of Religious Violence" is the title."

OK, this is just so out there. First of all, there is this whole misapprehension among many of the faithful that atheists are god-haters or devil-worshippers or hate religion or whatever. That's just not true.

Atheism is a religion like not collecting stamps is a hobby.

The vast majority of us don't hate religion, WE JUST DON'T CARE ABOUT IT. We don't need it. We don't all meet once a week and chant in unison about the nonexistence of a diety or dieties. We don't have ceremonies and talk incessantly about our lack of faith. We don't have a secret handshake.

No matter how much you WANT to believe that atheists are somehow polar opposites to your particular brand of religion, it's not the case. We're not the enemy of religion. We just don't care about it.

April 25, 2013 at 10:02 a.m.
Leaf said...

jesse, you BLASPHEMER! Man did not "discover" fire or barbecue. It was bequeathed by the GODS!

April 25, 2013 at 10:05 a.m.
jesse said...

LEAF !! Man discoverd FIRE! GOD told him what to do with it!!

Like Lighting struck some timber and started a fire and GOD said "go grab that antelope and trow his arz IN the FIRE! Right after THAT man invinted "kansas city masterpiece and tabasco" and thats the rest of that story!!

BTW:I never met a LIBRUL that could B-B-Q worth a flip! NOR a what ever limic call hisself! I'm havin a HARD time puttin limric in a pidgion hole! He IS shifty as hell!!(b-b-Q in on a Weber grill??) Now THATS BLASPHAMY!!PERIOT!!

April 25, 2013 at 10:17 a.m.
Leaf said...

BigRidgePatriot said... PlainTruth said... "Cancer, Aids, bird-flu, heart disease, psoriasis, skin-tags. all the fault of the U.S."

Not to say that those particular things are the fault of the US, but when you stick your nose in EVERYBODY'S business and try to force your world view on them you create many enemies.

(hint to liberals, this applies within our own borders as well)

BigRidge, I agree that it applies within our own borders. But I really don't think most liberals are trying to mess in everyone's business. I think that's the way some conservative bloviators try to define them, but let's try to examine the evidence fairly and without bias.

People who want to mess in your business: - Pro-lifers. (Conservatives, by and large) - Gun backgrounders. (Most Americans, except the NRA and far right) - Department of Homeland Security (W's legacy) - Anti-gay folks (Conservatives, by and large) - Religious proseletysers sp? (Conservatives, mostly)

So, I would argue that conservatives hate change and they are the ones more prone to mess with people's personal business in an attempt to stop change. The word 'liberal' shares a root with liberty and libertarian. It's conservatives who are all about control.

April 25, 2013 at 10:21 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Dartmouth College cancelled classes on Wednesday in order to hold a public forum addressing some students’ concerns that the esteemed member of the Ivy League supports social ills such as sexism, racism and capitalism. ....you cannot make this stuff up

April 25, 2013 at 10:26 a.m.
limric said...

WOW Jesse,

I haven’t heard that title in long long time. Great reference! Another in the same vein was, ‘The Territorial Imperative.’ I might still have these somewhere in one of the dusty bookshelf’s somewhere.

These are from the 60’s if memory serves. Dang I’m aging myself aren’t I ?

April 25, 2013 at 10:29 a.m.
Leaf said...

Jesse, once again I must declare war on your faction. First you, then the Memphis vinegar barbecue heretics will fall to the forks of my legions. The Gods have commanded me that not one man or boy or pig of your tribe shall be spared, and all your women folk will be slaves in my harem.

Sorry about that, but it's the will of the Lords, ya know? What ya gonna do?

April 25, 2013 at 10:30 a.m.
jesse said...

Leaf!! First let me say vinegar has NO place in B-B-q sauce>periot!

2 I HAVE DRONES! Do you???

You start pickin on MY pigs i WILL send some drones to look up your arz!!

I eliminated "women folks" from my life after my 3rd.divorce so if you think you can git some traction there? GO FOR IT!!LMAO!

April 25, 2013 at 10:43 a.m.
Oz said...

alprova said...You Sir, are a very tolerant Christian. I applaud you for being so.

No al... I am a human. I like other humans or I don't. I prefer to associate with people based on their character. I try to live my life as a witness. Sometimes non-believers ask questions and it opens a door. Agreeing to disagree can be done without hate. The current political climate has turned it into hate, in my opinion. The right can disagree with the president and it is racism. The left can disagree with Allen West and it's not. What is the difference? Is it really skin color? No, it is ideology but some people cannot understand that.

Racism knows no boundaries and has nothing to do with religion but everything to do with ignorance.

April 25, 2013 at 10:49 a.m.
jesse said...

Limric! Audry was ahead of his time! He was some what discredited in the 80's BUT has been vindicated lately! While not an anthropoligist he was an insightful observer of what was going on in that area and I think his opinions hold up today!

April 25, 2013 at 10:54 a.m.
Leaf said...

jesse, if I knew how to make bold face or large type I would sooo do it at you right now. I don't need drones, I have the gods on my side. I know because they told me so. I heard them talking in my brain.

April 25, 2013 at 11:04 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Conservative asks: “Why do Liberals hate the U.S.?”

Please, Conservative. It’s rather obvious which group has been trying to undermine our Constitution and our way of governing - and it’s not the liberals.

Last week it was Republican Senators Graham and McCain demanding that President Obama toss the U.S. Constitution out the window. A few weeks ago, it was a couple of Republican Representatives in North Carolina sponsoring a bill to adopt an “official state religion.” Then we had those Republican politicians working to undermine the 14th Amendment in an effort to end birthright citizenship to children born in the U.S. And a short time before this, it was a couple of Republican lawmakers in the State of Mississippi trying to establish an elite committee that would decide which federal laws their state would and would not follow.

And, of course, no one can forget the calamities of George W. Bush and his brother’s neo-cons who put democracy at risk not only in the U.S. but also across the globe.

April 25, 2013 at 11:23 a.m.
jesse said...

leaf" i gotta be honest and say that bold faced shat jumps up and i don't have a clue why!

Some time my "Machine" has a mind of it's own!!

April 25, 2013 at 11:31 a.m.
prairie_dog said...

Oh, Clay, it's very simple. It's because their Prophet, Muhammad, better known as "the anti-Christ" to those who understand prophecy, TOLD THEM TO KILL US.

If the ECO-whacks in this country would let us produce our own oil, so we didn't even need to mess with that barbaric part of the world, we could accommodate them and never again set foot on "sacred" soil.

Clear?

April 25, 2013 at 11:37 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Oz, you missed the point of my statement. I was demonstrating the use of stereotypes. Of course all Christians don't hate non-Christians. But I am tired of people using stereotypes, or proclaiming that all (fill in the group of your choice) hates (whatever).

Anyone who says "all liberals XXX" or "all atheists YYY" need to hear someone claim in response "all Christians ZZZ". Understand now? Most of my family and friends are Christians, and to the best of my knowledge, they don't hate me. Some of them pray for me, because they "know" I'm going to hell, but most take me just as I am.

April 25, 2013 at 11:57 a.m.
limric said...

The Gospel- according to St. Jesse of Barbecue

Pig split,

fire lit,

slaw fixed,

sauce mixed.

Coals glow,

Roast slow

Now eat:

Pick meat

Hush pup

Drink up

Gut big

Gooooood pig.

~Bruce Tinall

Amen.........

April 25, 2013 at 12:03 p.m.
jesse said...

hEY dOG! yOU WANT TO SEE WHERE THE ANTI CHRIST RESIDES" Look in the mirror! Read con mans posts! Get up on alprovas posts And if he was a bit more sofisticated easy would be a good source! The Anti christ IS the human race! If you don't believe it just check out con mans posts!

April 25, 2013 at 12:07 p.m.
jesse said...

Limric! It's time for my nap right now so i will be back later to try to get you on the path to TRUE Enlightenment! You have prospects of being open to the true way,W/the proper guidence! We WILL see if you have the fortitude to indure the rigors required to reach the one true way!Right now i need a NAP! PERIOT!

April 25, 2013 at 12:20 p.m.
limric said...

West easy oh weawy geezer.

When you awake, the heavens will provide instructions for the transformation of poultry ( ON A WEBER) into somthing akin to the rapture. So get out the holy pope hat of man cooking and prepare.

April 25, 2013 at 12:32 p.m.
timbo said...

Would one of you liberals educate me on why we deserved to be attacked on 9/11?

April 25, 2013 at 12:33 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Enjoyed Dubya's ceremony. Despite Iraq, he is a gentleman and a lover of this country. Unlike the fellow now in office.

April 25, 2013 at 12:36 p.m.
timbo said...

Would one of you liberals also tell me why we deserved to be bombed Pearl Harbor?

April 25, 2013 at 12:42 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

We didn't DESERVE either, timbo. But our behavior in the middle east served as a convenient excuse for 9/11. We have to understand that people who don't live in a free society don't think like us, and trying to understand their motivations is difficult.

As for the Japanese military in 1941? I think they had delusions of grandeur. AND the average Japanese had no way of placing the actions in a broader context, given the propaganda they were fed.

Plain Truth, the last president was probably a nice person, and indeed a lover of his country. I don't dispute that. But he also was an oilman, and a rich one at that, and knew that he and his cronies could make lots of money in the middle east.

Obama is also probably a nice person, and also loves his country. I don't think I would want anyone who has ego enough to run for office as a good friend, right or left. But Obama is no worse than Bush, not as good Clinton, and probably a lot better than Carter (not sure that says much).

April 25, 2013 at 12:50 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

If you can get arrested for hunting or fishing without a license, but not for being in the country illegally ...you might live in a country founded by geniuses, but run by idiots.

If you have to get your parents' permission to go on a field trip or take an aspirin in school, but not to get an abortion ... you might live in a country founded by geniuses, but run by idiots.

If the only school curriculum allowed to explain how we got here is evolution, but the government stops a $15 million construction project to keep a rare spider from evolving to extinction ... you might live in a country founded by geniuses, but run by idiots.

If you have to show identification to board an airplane, cash a check, buy liquor or check out a library book, but not to vote who runs the government ... you might live in a country founded by geniuses, but run by idiots.

April 25, 2013 at 12:58 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

If the government wants to ban stable, law-abiding citizens from owning gun magazines with more than ten rounds, but gives 20 F-16 fighter jets to the crazy new leaders in Egypt ... you might live in a country founded by geniuses, but run by idiots.

If, in the largest city, you can buy two 16-ounce sodas, but not a 24-ounce soda because 24-ounces of a sugary drink might make you fat ... you might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.

If an 80-year-old woman can be stripped searched by the TSA but a woman in a hijab is only subject to having her neck and head searched ... you might live in a country founded by geniuses, but run by idiots.

If the government believes that the best way to eradicate trillions of dollars of debt is to spend trillions more, you might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.

April 25, 2013 at 12:58 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

PS: for those of you, like OZ, who were offended by my generalization of Christians, I'm not surprised you were offended because what I said WAS offensive. My little lesson in "sauce for the gander" using generalizations and stereotypes went right over the head of the intended recipient, as usual.

April 25, 2013 at 12:59 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

If a seven year old boy can be thrown out of school for saying his teacher is "cute," but hosting a sexual exploration or diversity class in grade school is perfectly acceptable ... you might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.

If children are forcibly removed from parents who discipline them with spankings while children of addicts are left in filth and drug infested "homes"... you might live in a country founded by geniuses, but run by idiots.

If hard work and success are met with higher taxes and more government intrusion, but not working is rewarded with EBT cards, WIC checks, Medicaid, subsidized housing and free cell phones ... you might live in a country founded by geniuses, but run by idiots.

If the government's plan for getting people back to work is to incentivize NOT working with 99 weeks of unemployment checks and no requirement to prove they applied but can't find work ... you might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.

https://www.facebook.com/NashvilleTeaParty?hc_location=stream

April 25, 2013 at 12:59 p.m.
timbo said...

lkeithlu,,,,,, I think there were two reasons we were attacked. One is we are not Muslim. Two is we support Israel. Neither are in no way a reason for any kind of action against the United States. When we are attacked without provocation, whether the people attacking us think there's a reason or not, we have every ethical and moral right to retaliate.

Although I think some liberals hearts are in the right place, They are basically paralyzed by empathy. It is beyond me why liberals support a religion that is so antiliberal that you would basically have your head cut off and handed to you if you lived in one of these countries. Women are treated like animals. Punishment for crimes is Midevel. Christianity has its problems, but the Muslim religion is basically corrupt.

We need to quit ringing our hands over what we have done to THEM. We only need to concentrate on how to eliminate the threat.

April 25, 2013 at 1:05 p.m.
chatt_man said...

Honest question here... If we went to Iraq for oil, have we gotten any of it? Are we expected to get any of it? Has going to Iraq helped us toward getting any of it, or hurt us in that regard?

April 25, 2013 at 1:09 p.m.
caddy said...

Good Stuff, Andrew Lohr !

April 25, 2013 at 1:12 p.m.
limric said...

Here you go Jesse the napping princess,

Manna from the chicken coop (my sons recipe)

Chicken parts: quarters, thighs, legs. None of this ‘boneless skinless breasts’ crap.

McCormick’s Grill Mates Chicken rub.

Haitian Jerk seasoning

Williams Brothers BBQ sauce. No substitutions. Pataks Hot Lime Relish. You can find it in any ‘good’ Indian grocery store (NOT a quickie mart)

Rub the chicken parts the Grill Mates Chicken rub – not too much now! Take 3 fingers worth per piece (a smidgen?) of the Haitian Jerk seasoning and sprinkle over each side of each chicken part. Throw it on grill, skin side up using the ‘indirect’ method. NO coals directly underneath the meat and let it stay covered for 60 minutes.

Take the Williams Brothers BBQ sauce and mix (thoroughly!) in 3/4 tsp (no more) of the Hot Lime Relish into the whole bottle. The relish is really strong and that small amount adds just the right amount of pop that it brings forth the ‘DAMN’!!
At the 40-45 minutes start basting with the sauce.

You know the rest………………….

If you’re nice I’ll fill you in on a made for BBQ libation that’s sure to be pleasing to drink, and my method of mixology is sure to be pleasing to watch too.

April 25, 2013 at 1:20 p.m.
Leaf said...

chatt_man said... Honest question here... If we went to Iraq for oil, have we gotten any of it? Are we expected to get any of it? Has going to Iraq helped us toward getting any of it, or hurt us in that regard?

Some people got oil from Iraq. And some people got no-bid contracts to support the war in Iraq. And a lot of cash just kinda dissappeared. Enough to make some people even richer at the expense of the country at large.

April 25, 2013 at 1:41 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Limric says: “At least G.W. Bush didn’t pretend he wasn’t a warmongering corporate lackey and Republicans should be bitch slapped for their obtuse support.“

Well, Limric, I must say my recollections are quite different from your recollections. I recall George W. Bush making a wide variety of claims as to why he invaded Iraq, which usually varied from person to person, month to month, and week to week.

Yes, I vividly recall the claims Bush made about Iraq’s alleged WMDs, the claims he made about being on a mission from God when he launched the invasion of Iraq, the claims he made about a “connection” between Saddam and Al Queda, and the claims he made about establishing a democracy in the Middle East, but I can’t recall any occasion where Bush even slightly hinted at the truth - that he was a warmongering corporate lackey.

April 25, 2013 at 1:49 p.m.
chatt_man said...

Thanks Leaf, could you reference some articles to educate me on this?

April 25, 2013 at 1:58 p.m.
ibshame said...

Good ole boy Lindsay Graham has come through once again. It's just amazing it took him this long to start with his accusations. Evidently he thought enough time had passed given it's been over a week now.

"Graham: 'Ultimate blame' for Boston attacks on administration Posted by CNN Congressional Producer Alan Silverleib Washington (CNN) – Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham said Thursday the administration is to blame for not preventing last week's terror attack at the Boston Marathon finish line.

This marks the first time the attacks have been so politicized in the search for answers for how the two brothers suspected of the bombings slipped past government anti-terror detection measures.

Graham put it in the same category as the September 11, 2012 attack on the U.S. diplomatic post in Benghazi, Libya, in which four Americans were killed. Graham and other lawmakers, mostly Republicans, argue the Benghazi attack was a major security failure on the part of the Obama administration."

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/04/25/graham-ultimate-blame-for-boston-attacks-on-administration/

April 25, 2013 at 2:01 p.m.
whatsnottaken said...

Or Toon Time could've drawn a camel ridden by a turbaned dude reading the Koran pulling a dead American body asking: Why do you hate us.

April 25, 2013 at 2:05 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Ibshame notes: "Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham said Thursday the administration is to blame for not preventing last week's terror attack at the Boston Marathon finish line."

Why am I not surprised? This guy is a mental mess. I recently read about an interview where Senator Graham is quoted as saying that he didn’t think people on the Terrorist Watch List should lose their Second Amendment rights to carry guns – but he is in favor of stripping away their Fifth and Sixth Amendment rights to a fair trial in a court of law.

April 25, 2013 at 2:36 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

I think there were two reasons we were attacked. One is we are not Muslim. Two is we support Israel. Neither are in no way a reason for any kind of action against the United States. When we are attacked without provocation, whether the people attacking us think there's a reason or not, we have every ethical and moral right to retaliate.

I say again: I don't excuse the actions of the 9/11 terrorists, or any other terrorists, foreign or domestic. But the conditions in the middle east are bad in part because of our meddling. And bad conditions breed extremists. And some extremist resort to violence. We did go to Afghanistan as a direct response to 9/11. Why again did we go to Iraq? Yes, people in Iraq were treated poorly by their government, and yes, some muslim countries have poor human rights records. But finally, we can't change everyone. Iraq presented no threat, and yet we felt "obligated" to go. I for one trusted the government to act honorably, and I guess that was naive on my part.

It is beyond me why liberals support a religion that is so antiliberal that you would basically have your head cut off and handed to you if you lived in one of these countries. Women are treated like animals. Punishment for crimes is Midevel. Christianity has its problems, but the Muslim religion is basically corrupt.

Liberals support religious freedom. Period. It is not for us to dictate how people worship. You cannot lay the blame for the violence at the feet of Islam; any religion or ideology can be used as an excuse for violence and oppression. AS a liberal I don't care how anyone else in this country worships or believes. I only care that their belief system not interfere with the rights of others. However, my preference stops at the US border. I cannot dictate this expectation on another country. It is not our business whether another country is a theocracy or not, whether it is based on Judaism, Islam, Christianity or the Flying Spaghetti Monster. If they don't threaten our sovereignty, it is not our say what form of government. Of course, if the UN members together want to pressure a country to respect human rights, I'm all for it. That becomes the decision of the world community, not the US.

April 25, 2013 at 2:46 p.m.
limric said...

Conversely Whatsnottaken,

A haggard, grey bearded man looking for all the world as though belonging in the 14th century aimlessly shuffles along a sun baked dusty road besides his donkey cart. The contents of which contain all that remains of his home. In with his pots, pans and beneath torn blankets are also the remains of his wife and daughter. The once loving and laughing girls looking now not so different than the blankets he used to cover them.

Teary eyed, he asks Allah why. With empty eyes he gazes to the heavens. For him Allah’s answer this day is substituted by a buzzing from the sky and banner flown aloft from men from the future.

Yes indeed. Why?

April 25, 2013 at 3:15 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

timbo said... "We need to quit ringing our hands over what we have done to THEM. We only need to concentrate on how to eliminate the threat."

The problem is not that we ever took the time to "wring our hands" about meddling in other nations. It is that we have been doing it wantonly for a century and seem to think there is no such thing as blowback. Sure, it is a tough crowd we are dealing with, but that only means that we can expect a response if we sh!t in their well.

April 25, 2013 at 3:32 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

I believe virtually nothing our government says.

April 25, 2013 at 4:19 p.m.
limric said...

In an earlier issue of The PlainTruth,

“Enjoyed Dubya's ceremony. Despite Iraq, he is a gentleman and a lover of this country.”

Well, considering that indolent oaf, with all the maturity and intellect of a barbarian, spread his cheeks and scraped across on our country and much of the Middle East like a dog with an itchy ass, would taking a dump in the middle of his new Lie-bury be considered a crime -- or an improvement?

Maybe the crayons are free?

Anyone know?

April 25, 2013 at 5:23 p.m.
Oz said...

lkeithlu... I reread your earlier post. I did jump the gun. Wait, that is politically incorrect. I missed the sarcasm. My apology.

April 25, 2013 at 5:45 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

No sweat, Oz. I have no real intention to hurt people's feelings or offend. Although, to be honest, just being liberal and atheist is offensive to some.

April 25, 2013 at 6:06 p.m.
alprova said...

JonRoss wrote: "We hate you because your president and congressional leaders were meeting yesterday to begin the process of exempting Congress from Obamacare. Apparently they feel it will create a "brain drain" in the Congressional staff."

Wrong as usual, Mr Liar...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/04/25/no-congress-isnt-trying-to-exempt-itself-from-obamacare/

April 25, 2013 at 6:32 p.m.
alprova said...

jesse wrote: "AL, some where in your ancestry one of your ancestors climed down out of a tree and thought"Time to start eatin the good stuff" BELIEVE it!"

YOU believe what you want. That does not mean that I am bound by any of your beliefs.

I assure you, no ancestor of mine ever lived in a tree.

April 25, 2013 at 6:36 p.m.
conservative said...

Caddy,

I liked what Mr. Zacharias said about sin and fallen man. Unfortunately it was pretty deep in the film and unlikely to be viewed by the people who comment here.

The hardest of the hard frequent here and I dare say not one of them would even admit to being a sinner or at least not one has yet. This of course is the first step to Salvation.

How do you talk to someone who does not believe or will not listen to the fact that he/she is a sinner? One huge disadvantage is the lack of space to address any issue. I myself will not read long comments.

Probably the best thing to do is to present the word and let God do the rest.

“There is none righteous, not even one;

There is none who understands,

There is none who seeks for God;

All have turned aside, together they have become useless; There is none who does good,

There is not even one.” Romans 3:10

for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, Romans 3:23

April 25, 2013 at 6:39 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

I assure you, no ancestor of mine ever lived in a tree.

Mine did, but that was so long ago I hardly think I must be held accountable. I'm pretty lousy at climbing, to be honest.

Conservative, the problem with your "word of god" is that is meaningless to those that don't believe gods exist.

April 25, 2013 at 6:40 p.m.
mosquito said...

Goood one Mr. Bennett!! I believe that it is becoming apparent to those who call themselves left AND right that things are not what they seem.

After every 'crisis' we seem to lose just a smidge more freedom, (Patriot Act, NDAA)but we really aren't any safer...Soooooooowho does this benefit??

Sure as Hades ain't us. And now we've even got little Randi Paul and his hairclub for men do, saying he would be for drone strikes --in this country---against Americans---what the PHUCK!!!!

Twilight zone music starts.........NOW

April 25, 2013 at 6:54 p.m.
patriot1 said...

Alpo says....."Wrong as usual, Mr Liar..."

Ezra Cline...really Alpo? So much for objectivity

April 25, 2013 at 9:52 p.m.
alprova said...

Patriot1, can you dispute what is written?

Correcting you people who believe every single hit piece that comes along anti-Obama is quite a chore these days.

Politico's credibility went into the toilet on this one.

"This whole Politico story is based on a ruling that hasn't even come down yet on how to fix the delay written in the law that prevents large employers from entering into the insurance pools prior to 2017."

The contradiction has existed since the ACA was passed. The law was passed with the following provision in it;

"The only health plans that the Federal Government may make available to Members of Congress and congressional staff with respect to their service as a Member of Congress or congressional staff shall be health plans that are — (I) created under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act); or (II) offered through an Exchange established under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act)."

There has not been so much as one proposal by anyone to exempt Congress or their staff from the ACA. The issue being resolved is to legalize it so that the Government is allowed to make contributions in the form of paying premiums on behalf of Congressional staffers, or change the date that they are mandated to enter the pool(s) to alleviate the conflict.

April 25, 2013 at 10:16 p.m.
Easy123 said...

patriot1,

You're going to take the word of JonRoss over Ezra Klein (a UCLA graduate, columnist for the Washington Post and Bloomberg, and a contributor to MSNBC)? And you dare question alprova's objectivity! LMFAO!

May I be the first to point out how cockamamie your thinking is.

Can you refute the article by Ezra Klein or not? Can you substantiate the claims made by JonRoss or not?

You WingNuts know nothing of objectivity.

April 25, 2013 at 10:21 p.m.
jesse said...

Al, if no ancestor of yours ever lived in a tree then you are unique among homo sapians!

I congratulate you,you are a spicies unknown to science untill this very moment!!

Of course i'm sure you allready were aware of this judging by your posts on here!

April 26, 2013 at 4:52 a.m.
jesse said...

Easy , i hate to be the one to tell you this,and i expect it to bounce off you like you are bullit proof BUT you are insane!Thats the bottom line! You need help dude and soon!

You got more hate in you than anybody i have ever ran into on the web and if you don't get help it's gonna eat you up!!

April 26, 2013 at 5:12 a.m.
dude_abides said...

jesse... you're posting exclamation points at 5:12 in the morning and you think someone else needs help? If you drive like you think, I doubt there's a mailbox left on your street. You should practice your "18 beers by the campfire" psychiatry on maximus, jonross, timbo, et al.

April 26, 2013 at 7:24 a.m.
patriot1 said...

Hagel: Evidence of chemical weapons use in Syria...

That drone could be used to draw imaginary "red lines"

April 26, 2013 at 8:38 a.m.
alprova said...

jesse wrote: "Al, if no ancestor of yours ever lived in a tree then you are unique among homo sapians! (sic)"

I happen to subscribe to the theory of Creation, thank you very much.

"I congratulate you,you are a spicies (sic) unknown to science untill (sic) this very moment!!"

I love science, but it does not explain everything, and you'll just have to forgive me for rejecting any notion that man evolved from apes.

Much of Science can be proven. That one is merely a theory and is not proven to everyone's satisfaction.

"Of course i'm sure you allready (sic) were aware of this judging by your posts on here!"

I truly don't go out of my way to insult people, and I'm not going to start doing so today, but it's very hard to take anyone serious or to be offended by someone who has difficulty spelling simple words like you do.

My advice? Learn to use a spell-checking program. Then you might be more effective when you attempt to put someone down.

April 26, 2013 at 9:22 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Ezra Klein = objectivity. Uh huh.

April 26, 2013 at 10:05 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

“BigRidgePatriot notes: “The problem is not that we ever took the time to "wring our hands" about meddling in other nations. It is that we have been doing it wantonly for a century and seem to think there is no such thing as blowback.”

I think the best-uncomplicated statement made about "blowback" came from those young kids that Tom Brokaw mentioned on “Meet the Press” last Sunday. Unfortunately, I suspect our politicians probably missed it because they were all touring that new twilight zone built to honor former President George W. Bush. . . Anyway, this is the news from Tom Brokaw’s appearance on “Meet the Press” last Sunday. Discussing revelations that the bombing suspects may be connected to Muslim fundamentalism, he said:

“We have got to look at the roots of all of this because it exists across the whole (Asian) subcontinent and the Islamic world around the world. I think we also have to examine (America’s) use of drones (because) there are a lot of civilians who are innocently killed in a drone attack in Pakistan, in Afghanistan and in Iraq.

And I can tell you having spent a lot of time over there, young people will come up to me on the streets and say, ‘We love America, but if you harm one hair on the head of my sister, I will fight you forever.’ And there is this enormous rage against what they see in that part of the world as a presumptuousness of the United States.”

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/a_cronkite_moment_for_the_blowback_era_20130426/

April 26, 2013 at 10:34 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Tuesday morning, a peculiar announcement trickled out of the White House press office: President Barack Obama would be holding a moment of silence for the victims of the Boston bombings. At the White House. By himself. No press or other intruders allowed. Except the White House photographer. ....never seen arrogance is a president like this....well, maybe Nixon.

April 26, 2013 at 10:45 a.m.
timbo said...

First of all, we meddle, the Russians meddle, the Chinese meddle,.... meddling didn't make us deserve 9/11. You say you don't condone 9/11 but then in two posts you go right into the fact that it was "our" fault.

As far as Iraq goes, you are dead right. We shouldn't have done that and I have letters to the Chattanoogan and the TFP where I said many times back in the day that it was wrong and we shouldn't do it.

Your statement that the civil rights abuses are in "some" Muslim countries and not most, is parsing words. The problem is that Christianity does not mix itself directly in government to the extent that Sharia law does in those Muslim countries. The separation of church and state is pretty stark compared to say Saudi Arabia. Religious law is the basis for ALL law in most Muslim countries. There is religious freedom in this country but there is none in most Muslim countries. That is the difference.

Christianity tolerates other religions and people without religion. If you lived in most Muslim countries you would find it would difficult if impossible to be a Christian, or atheist for that matter. You would probably be jailed, or executed.

You said, "If they don't threaten our sovereignty, it is not our say what form of government." A libertarian like me agrees with that statement but it is misplaced in this discussion. It is not if we care how they worship, it is that they are violently against the way we worship and our way of life.

They are not just threatening our sovereignty, they are threatening the world. How can you mention religious freedom in the same breath as you do Islam when it doesn't have the tolerance that you described.

All they have to do is stop attacking us.

April 26, 2013 at 11:01 a.m.
Leaf said...

Alprova, you're an evolution denier? I'm surprised. Why?

April 26, 2013 at 11:37 a.m.
Leaf said...

timbo. Jeez, give it a rest. Obviously you have a religious prejudice and no amount of logic or facts will every dislodge it. Why are you using words and sentences to try to convince others of your particular viewpoint when it's obvious that your opinion has nothing to do with logic and everything to do with your lizard hindbrain? You should be using grunts and screams and urinating on your territory.

April 26, 2013 at 11:44 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Last week the president says "if we can save just one child..." This week he bows to Planned Parenthood....mass murderers.

April 26, 2013 at 1:25 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Timbo said: “meddling didn't make us deserve 9/11. . . All they have to do is stop attacking us.”

You poor guy. . . You just don’t get it, do you, Timbo?

The innocent men, women, and children who died as a result of that bombing in Oklahoma City also didn’t deserve to die, but this didn’t stop Timothy McVeigh. Did it? The same is true in the case of the bombings that occurred on 9/11.

The bottomline is that terrorists do not represent any country or anyone else other than themselves. They don’t care if they put innocent lives at risk and/or about the number of innocent lives they take because they’re completely consumed with their own hatreds, anger and/or causes. Somehow they’ve convinced themselves that what they’re doing is just.

Our challenge is to figure out a way to deal with the terrorist issue more effectively. Clearly, it’s simply not just to continue taking and putting innocent lives at risk. It’s also not pragmatic since every time an innocent life is taken, we create more enemies.

April 26, 2013 at 1:26 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Easy123 said...

As an atheist, I beg to differ. Every atheist on this site has shown much more love and compassion than any Christian here. Want proof? Read anything written by conservative (a "Christian"), then read anything written by Ikeithlu (an atheist).


Excellent sample size

Wonder why you left out alprova and MTJohn and I also wonder why they didn’t defend themselves against your claim? It wouldn’t be that they are cowards to mix it up with their left wing brethren?

Would it?

April 26, 2013 at 2:07 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

nucanuck said...

“Why we in the US don't see the connection between our foreign policy and our Number One rating as the world's most despised country is hard to fathom.”


Didn’t president Obama promise to correct that situation?


“we have to wonder why we supported al Qaeda elements in Libya and now in Syria unless it was to destabilize and weaken those countries. Neither government posed a threat to the US, so why did we intervene?”


I guess you’ve never heard of the Arab Spring that the left claimed would bring blessings to the Middle East and Northern Africa.

April 26, 2013 at 2:12 p.m.
fairmon said...

ML said...

Our challenge is to figure out a way to deal with the terrorist issue more effectively.

Any suggestions? You are great at stating or repeating something from sources that describe the problem when solutions are what is needed. I don't think the government running in and Mirandizing an enemy combatant that is providing information was a good idea. Then, announcing they couldn't provide him a defense due to the sequestration furloughs. The S.O.B. does not deserve a defense and the parents should not be allowed to enter the country. This administration is beginning to have a bad odor. Guns to the Cartels, Diplomats deaths and now a soft approach to a terrorist with little to no validated facts provided to the public. The republicans can't say too much since they are just as dirty and have the same offensive odor.

April 26, 2013 at 2:21 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

lkeithlu said...

“So much for your stereotype.”

“I could do the same with you: why do Christians hate everyone who is not Christian?”

“Oz, you missed the point of my statement. I was demonstrating the use of stereotypes. Of course all Christians don't hate non-Christians. But I am tired of people using stereotypes, or proclaiming that all (fill in the group of your choice) hates (whatever).”

“PS: for those of you, like OZ, who were offended by my generalization of Christians, I'm not surprised you were offended because what I said WAS offensive. My little lesson in "sauce for the gander" using generalizations and stereotypes went right over the head of the intended recipient, as usual.”


”Since you did not address my stereotype of Christians it must be true.”


Well which is it?

Was it that you were demonstrating the use of stereotypes or was it a statement of your perception of truth since your stereotype was not countered?

April 26, 2013 at 2:27 p.m.
mozemoose said...

You mean that wasn't an Obama logo on the drone? Gee, I may have mis-read Mr. Bennett's intent.

April 26, 2013 at 3:05 p.m.
MickeyRat said...

Say umm PlainTruth(iness)

A) Planned Parenthood are not mass murderers.

B) The President attend did however attend a ceremony this week for a real mass murderer & war criminal.

I wonder how many handicapped parking spaces they allotted, 20-30,000! The sign over the main entrance reads: Crime Pays Kids!

Referencing limrick’s ‘dump’ description was the architectural style modern or traditional out house?

Geesh....

April 26, 2013 at 3:10 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

You are correct, Jt6gR3hM. I should have written: because you didn't respond YOU (conservative) must think it is true. My bad.

PS alprova and MTJohn are Christians. Not atheists. (snip) Just reread your post; this last sentence is not applicable. Sorry. Boy, I am not posting too well today, am I?

April 26, 2013 at 3:14 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

lkeithlu said...

"PS alprova and MTJohn are Christians. Not atheists."


Exactly my point.

I guess it went over your head.


(snip) This still applies

April 26, 2013 at 3:29 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

nucanuck said...

Andrew, should your Jesus return I suspect that he might drone the rampaging money-changers in the Temple. I'd give him a high-five for that.


So you have a problem with drone attacks against against foreigners but would high five the killing of those that you disagree with over economic philosophy?

You know murdering capitalists.

April 26, 2013 at 3:33 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Exactly my point.

I guess it went over your head.

That is what I was acknowledging. I missed it on the first read because I was sloppy.

April 26, 2013 at 3:43 p.m.
Leaf said...

Hey, where's Maximus today? I could use a laugh.

April 26, 2013 at 3:44 p.m.
Leaf said...

Once again Ike shows her class and restraint.

Fortunately I have none. Jt6whatever, you are a wanker. You have a terrible handle and your mustache is crooked. Your car is rusty and your grass needs cutting. You have a narrow urethra. You prefer vinegar barbecue. Your favorite music is free jazz.

There. Consider yourself chastized. Go forth and sin no more.

April 26, 2013 at 4:21 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

lkeithlu said...

Conservatives do not have a monopoly on patriotism.


They are the market leaders.

April 26, 2013 at 4:23 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

PlainTruth said...

“Cancer, Aids, bird-flu, heart disease, psoriasis, skin-tags. all the fault of the U.S.”

lkeithlu said...

“Plain Truth, that was pointless. Think before you post.”

“Of course, if you don't mind looking foolish, carry on. No skin off my rear.”


It was a simple example of absurdist argument against the usual blame America first attitude of the left. It’s just willful ignorance on your part to not accept it’s purpose whether you agree with it or not so maybe it is you who should think first.

April 26, 2013 at 4:26 p.m.
Easy123 said...

jt6,

"It was a simple example of absurdist argument against the usual blame America first attitude of the left."

You're so right. Senseless wars are never America's fault. It's always their fault. Whoever their happens to be at any given moment for those so-called "patriots". That's called sarcasm. And you are what they call a "blind patriot". And I'm not talking about Helen Keller.

"It’s just willful ignorance on your part to not accept it’s purpose whether you agree with it or not so maybe it is you who should think first."

Truly an ironic statement coming from you. Get your head out of your red, white and blue ass.

April 26, 2013 at 4:35 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Leaf said...

“The vast majority of us don't hate religion, WE JUST DON'T CARE ABOUT IT. We don't need it.”

“We're not the enemy of religion. We just don't care about it.”


Of course you need and care about religion and if it didn’t exist you would have to create it. Every atheist I have ever come in contact with, physically or through press or speech that actively oppose religious thought, obsesses over it.

I’m agnostic about religion as I have no objective evidence that allows me to absolutely deny the existence of a supernatural entity such as atheists do.


"I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is a childlike one. You may call me an agnostic, but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth. I prefer an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our own being."

"In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what really makes me angry is that they quote me for the support of such views."

"The fanatical atheists...are like slaves who are still feeling the weight of their chains which they have thrown off after hard struggle. They are creatures who—in their grudge against the traditional 'opium of the people'—cannot bear the music of the spheres."

  • Albert Einstein
April 26, 2013 at 4:40 p.m.
Leaf said...

Jt6whatever, Why would presume to know what someone thinks? That's a pretty good indication of immaturity. How old are you, boy?

As far as quoting Albert Einstein on anything that doesn't have a number in it, he was a math genius but in most other respects was quite naive. But even he qualifies "atheist" with "fanatical." Most atheists are not fanatical, just as most Christians are not. I would think of all people an agnostic would recognize the shiftiness and inadequacy of such labels.

April 26, 2013 at 4:51 p.m.
timbo said...

Leaf...You seem to know a lot about lizard brains. I would say that lizards react by instinct. Liberals react on emotion. Both are knee jerk illogical reactions. Denying reality is also a sign of mental illness.

You and the rest of you obviously can't read very well. The people TODAY that are attacking us are Muslims. The people attacking us are Muslims. There was one Timothy McVeigh and what he did was terrible but there are thousands of jihadists. There is absolutely no comparison at all.

April 26, 2013 at 5:12 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

It's called inductive reasoning which suggests truth but does not ensure it.It's why I'm an agnostic and not an atheist as I leave some room for uncertainty which people like you seem not to be capable of.

Einstein did not classify all atheists as fanatical and if you reread his quote you will see that he was referring only to a sub-group.If not he would have phrased it as:

"The "atheists are fanatical" and are like slaves who are still feeling the weight of their chains which they have thrown off after hard struggle. They are creatures who—in their grudge against the traditional 'opium of the people'—cannot bear the music of the spheres."

April 26, 2013 at 5:32 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

Correcting you people who believe every single hit piece that comes along anti-Obama is quite a chore these days.

Politico's credibility went into the toilet on this one.

The law was passed with the following provision in it;

"The only health plans that the Federal Government may make available to Members of Congress and congressional staff with respect to their service as a Member of Congress or congressional staff shall be health plans that are — (I) created under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act); or (II) offered through an Exchange established under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act)."

There has not been so much as one proposal by anyone to exempt Congress or their staff from the ACA.


Easy123 said...

Can you refute the article by Ezra Klein or not?

You WingNuts know nothing of objectivity.


From the T.P.M.:

Congressional leaders and aides confirmed Thursday that they have been privately discussing ways to mitigate an Obamacare implementation problem that directly affects lawmakers and, in particular, their staffs.

“I don’t know what the motivation was in writing that piece to treat some members of Congress and some employees differently,” House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) said Thursday at her weekly press briefing. “You work for a committee or leadership you are treated differently than if you work for a member’s office. I think that whatever the outcome is, people have to be treated the same.”


It sure looks like Pelosi wants the people that work for the committees or leadership to be placed under the ACA or those that do not fall under those categories to be exempted. That is if they are to be “treated the same”.

Which one do you think she would prefer and has been trying to bring about and which one she will be forced pick for expediency now that it has been exposed? They’re most likely different.

April 26, 2013 at 6:26 p.m.
dude_abides said...

"There's nothing an agnostic can't do if he really doesn't know whether he believes in anything or not." -Graham Chapman

April 26, 2013 at 6:39 p.m.
patriot1 said...

Perhaps the drone in the toon is flying around looking for Obama's "red line." He's sounding as if he doesn't know where it is.

April 26, 2013 at 6:47 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Only in the conservative mind can the President be doing too much and not enough at the same time.

April 26, 2013 at 6:54 p.m.
alprova said...

PlainTruth wrote: "Tuesday morning, a peculiar announcement trickled out of the White House press office: President Barack Obama would be holding a moment of silence for the victims of the Boston bombings. At the White House. By himself. No press or other intruders allowed. Except the White House photographer. ....never seen arrogance is a president like this....well, maybe Nixon."

What is arrogant about it?

Arrogance is someone who stands up in front of a nation, on camera, and demands that everyone join him in a moment of silence.

I find nothing arrogant about him taking a moment, all by his lonesome, outside of the eyes of the press, to pay tribute to the victims.

Oh...I'll bet that you feel he is being arrogant because the White House photographer may have been the only other person to witness the event?

Well guess what? There was no photographer that recorded his moment of silence. Some Obama beater added that line, to anger those like yourself who would swallow it hook, line, and sinker.

April 26, 2013 at 8 p.m.
alprova said...

Leaf wrote: "Alprova, you're an evolution denier? I'm surprised. Why?"

I don't reject all theories of evolution. I do reject that human beings evolved from monkeys or apes.

Why? Because there are still monkeys and apes inhabiting this Earth, and to the best of my knowledge, not one monkey or ape in hundreds of years has evolved one iota, learning to hold an intelligent conversation using oral communication with a human being.

If we evolved from apes, then why are there still apes that have not evolved?

Science cannot explain that one.

April 26, 2013 at 8:09 p.m.
limric said...

Leaf,

I stated a short time ago said I will no longer enter into theological debates. I will not do that here. However, there are serious flaws coupled with Everest sized presumptions being used as arguments in an attempt to countervail your observations and conclusions. You were right to question the use of Einstein’s use as a theologian – much less a philosopher. He was neither.

Read carefully as needed. You have the high ground. Logic and reality is on your side; along with some of the great philosophers.

April 26, 2013 at 8:16 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

dude_abides said...

"There's nothing an agnostic can't do if he really doesn't know whether he believes in anything or not." -Graham Chapman

Oh Great!

A skit performed by a drunken comedian or the reasoned thoughts of Albert Einstein?

What to do?

From the Church Bells Skit:

Man: I wish those bloody bells would stop.

Wife: Oh, it's quite nice dear, it's Sunday, it's the church.

M: What about us atheists? Why should we 'ave to listen to that sectarian turmoil?

W: You're a lapsed atheist, dear.

M: The principle's the same. The Mohmedans don't come 'round here wavin' bells at us! We don't get Buddhists playing bagpipes in our bathroom! Or Hindus harmonizing in the hall! The Shintus don't come here shattering sheet glass in the sh!thouse, shouting slogans-

W: All right, don't practice your alliteration on me. M: Anyway, when I membership card and blazer badge back from the League of Agnostics, I shall urge the executive to lodge a protest against that religious racket! Pass the butter knife!

W: WHAT??

M: PASS THE BUTTER KNIFE!! (pause) THANK YOU! IF ONLY WE HAD SOME KIND OF MISSILE!

W: 'OLD ON, I'LL CLOSE THE WINDOW.

M: WHAT?!

W: I SAID, I'LL CLOSE THE WINDOW! (Sound: Window closing, bells get faint, but are still there)

M: If only we had some kind of missile, we could take the steam out of those bells.

W: Well, you could always use the number 14-St. Joseph-the-somewhat- divine-on-the-hill ballistic missile. It's in the attic.

M: What ballistic missile would this be, then? (Sound: Bells begin to get increasingly louder)

W: I made it for you, it's your birthday present!

M: Just what I wanted, 'ow nice of you to remember, my pet. 'ERE!

W: WHAT?

M: THOSE BELLS ARE GETTING LOUDER!

W: WHAT?

M: THOSE BELLS ARE GETTING LOUDER!!

W: THE BELLS ARE GETTING LOUDER! OOOH, LOOK!

M: WHAT?

W: THE CHURCH, IT.. ITS COMING CLOSER! ITS COMING DOWN THE 'ILL!

M: WHAT A LIBERTY!

W: ITS TURNING INTO OUR LANE! WELL, YOU BETTER GO PUT IT OUT OF IT'S MISERY.

M: WHERE'S THIS MISSILE, THEN?

W: IT'S IN THE ATTIC. PRESS THE BUTTON MARKED CHURCH!

M: 'OW DO I AIM IT?

W: IT AUTOMATICALLY HOMES IN ON THE NEAREST PLACE OF WORSHIP!

M: BUT THAT'S ST. MARKS!

W: IT ISN'T NOW, LOOK!! OH, ITS OP'NING THE GATE.

M: WHAT? USE THE MEGAPHONE!

W: IT'S OP'NING THE GATE!! 'HURRY UP, ITS TRAMPLING OVER THE AZALIAS! (Sound: Missle launch, explosion, bells diminish)

M: Did I 'it it?

W: Yes, right up the aisle.

M: Well I've always said, There's nothing an agnostic can't do if he really doesn't know whether he believes in anything or not.

April 26, 2013 at 8:16 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Well, it's been fun, guys. I think I would have enjoyed hanging out here once in a while for years, but I'm not paying TFP for pages half obscured by advertisements. As is normal in these type situations, I feel a kinship with all of the regulars here, and I really mean that. All you folks that post here do so because you give a damn, and that is the most important thing in this world we're sharing. I hope I've brought some laughs (in lieu of depth and insight!) to the party. I have images in my mind of all you folks and none of them are bad images. Just Americans giving a damn. I wish all of you the blessings that lying Maximus claims!

There, I've said it. Now I'm gonna ride out this last few days of FREE free speech.

April 26, 2013 at 8:39 p.m.
patriot1 said...

Well said dude....I concur.

April 26, 2013 at 8:41 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Jt6guns... Glad you were moved to paste the whole skit.

April 26, 2013 at 8:45 p.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "I don't think the government running in and Mirandizing an enemy combatant that is providing information was a good idea."

Sir, it may not be a popular idea, or even a good one, but the man is a United States citizen, under our rule of law, and was and is entitled to any and all rights extended to any other United States citizen.

A 48 hour time clock was set the minute he was asked a first question by any law enforcement officer, before his rights must have been read to him.

Under our rule of law, a United States citizen is not allowed to be denied his legal rights. Had his brother survived, that would have been a totally different situation, as Tamerlan Tsarnaev did not achieve U.S. citizenship.

"The S.O.B. does not deserve a defense and the parents should not be allowed to enter the country."

Unfortunately, your feelings are not the law of this land. Every United States citizen, regardless of the crime they are accused of committing, deserves their day in court to defend themselves.

"This administration is beginning to have a bad odor. Guns to the Cartels, Diplomats deaths and now a soft approach to a terrorist with little to no validated facts provided to the public."

I hate to point out the obvious, but there are no less than three other active cases of mass murderers who are making their way through our system of justice, all three who are accused of taking more lives than that which Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is accused of ending.

Why the outrage over what this man did? Is his crime any more heinous than that of Jared Lee Loughner, James Eagan Holmes, or even perhaps Gary Ridgway?

What makes what Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is accused of any more heinous than what other United States citizens have done, and thus unworthy of benefiting from our system of justice?

Understand totally, that I am in no manner defending what this man is accused of doing, but it seems to me that there are way too many people who would string the man up to the nearest tree, before he is convicted in a court of law.

It seems to me that it is not just Liberals who over-react when emotions are high.

April 26, 2013 at 8:47 p.m.
patriot1 said...

Alpo says...."I do reject that human beings evolved from monkeys or apes."

Perhaps Alpo is the missing link.

April 26, 2013 at 8:51 p.m.
alprova said...

patriot1 wrote: "...Alpo says...."I do reject that human beings evolved from monkeys or apes." Perhaps Alpo is the missing link."

Not that I recall you ever wading in on any religious issue, I am a bit surprised that you would take up any cause that contradicts creation.

Perhaps it is that you are not that conservative as you like to portray yourself, after all.

Everyone is entitled to believe whatever they wish.

If people want to believe they are ancestors of tree-swingers, that's a-okay with me. I will never make fun of such people.

After all, while I noted that I do not believe in apes being able to orally communicate with humans, it is all too apparent that there are indeed some knuckle-draggers who do know how to type.

Touché

April 26, 2013 at 9:03 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Oh, alprova. Humans did not evolve from monkeys and apes. Humans, monkeys and apes evolved from a common ancestor. In hindsight, scientists realize that we should be in the same genus as chimps and bonobos (either they should be Genus Homo or we should be Genus Pan) We are closer to them than either they or we are to gorillas, the next closest relative. 99% of our DNA is identical to Chimpanzee DNA. Seems a odd thing for a creator to do.

April 26, 2013 at 9:06 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

It is true that Einstein was "not a theologian – much less a philosopher". He was a scientist and I will go with the truth of science over theology or philosophy.

Show me the science.

April 26, 2013 at 9:15 p.m.
alprova said...

Ikeithlu, I understand the scientific explanations, but I simply reject them. For if there is no God, then what is our life as humanity all about?

We are born, we live, then we die...and that's it?

I have to believe in something more.

The alternative is so cruel and if I were to believe it, I would not want to live anymore.

Because...what would be the point of doing so?

I'm a reincarnation kinda person. I have been fascinated with that theory for many years.

April 26, 2013 at 9:22 p.m.
patriot1 said...

Alpo says.....I'm a reincarnation kinda person. I have been fascinated with that theory for many years

I have heard of near death experiences where the person claims to be rising and being drawn toward a light.....perhaps that reincarnation is into a moth.

April 26, 2013 at 9:53 p.m.
mosquito said...

concerning the subject of the toon, well sorta:

and this quote from Woodrow Wilson, "Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of somebody, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it."

It is one thing to be bested by a superpower, quite another when you realize that the citizenry of said superpower , for the most part, has no idea what is done overseas in 'our name'.

When will we realize that --per Hermann Goring,

Göring: Why, of course, the people don't want war. Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship. Gilbert: There is one difference. In a democracy, the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States only Congress can declare wars. Göring: Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.

Let some of this sink in on how we've been fooled as a nation...

April 26, 2013 at 10:13 p.m.
patriot1 said...

alpo says....there are indeed some knuckle-draggers who do know how to type.

Would any of these knuckle draggers be "registered republicans?"

April 26, 2013 at 10:25 p.m.
fairmon said...

alprova ask....

What makes what Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is accused of any more heinous than what other United States citizens have done, and thus unworthy of benefiting from our system of justice?

There is none and when there is "no doubt" which is beyond reasonable doubt the long expensive normal process should not be the process. They deserve nothing less than a cruel but quick death.

April 27, 2013 at 3:12 a.m.
fairmon said...

Wealthy lawyers as they chase an ambulance a class action suit or political office are quick to say we have the finest legal system in the world. Does that mean it couldn't be better? More accessible and more efficient?

April 27, 2013 at 3:15 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Evolution of humans does not imply that there is no God. It just is. Science does not address the notion of a God.

April 27, 2013 at 5:35 p.m.
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