published Tuesday, April 30th, 2013

Jason Collins' bravery is an inspiration

In a self-authored Sports Illustrated article released online Monday, NBA player Jason Collins became the first openly gay active player in the history of major American team sports.

Collins, a 7-foot-tall, hard-nosed pro basketball journeyman known for his aggressive defense and tough fouls, breaks every preconceived, narrow-minded notion of what it is to be a gay man -- and that's what makes his announcement so important.

Americans have grown increasingly comfortable with gay men. That is, so long as they're where we expect them to be. Gay men don't garner a second glance in the arts or in fashion. Gay actors, singers, authors and newscasters are a dime a dozen, causing alarm for only the most homophobic of Americans.

However, gay men are nearly nonexistent in what, as Americans, we consider the "manly" arenas of professional sports -- impossibly so, given that about one out of every 25 males in the U.S. self-identifies as homosexual. There are no openly gay NASCAR drivers, defensive tackles or hockey goalies. Sure, a few NBA and Major League Baseball veterans have come out of the closet years after their playing days ended, but that did nothing to force Americans to consider what it would be like to watch, and root for, a player they knew was gay.

That all changed yesterday.

Writing in Sports Illustrated, Collins admitted the great lengths he went to in order to hide his sexuality. "It takes an enormous amount of energy to guard such a big secret," he wrote. "I've endured years of misery and gone to enormous lengths to live a lie. I was certain that my world would fall apart if anyone knew."

The fact that Collins waited until age 34 to make his announcement, when his best playing days are behind him and he has earned more than $30 million as a pro basketball player, indicates that he thought coming out might end his career.

But it turns out, Collins' fears were unfounded.

As word spread of Collins' Sports Illustrated article and his nerve-racking decision to come out of the closet, something encouraging happened. Rather than being shunned, or being showered with homophobic epithets on social media, Americans embraced Collins.

As of Monday afternoon, Jason Collins was the most-searched term on the Internet. His article on Sports Illustrated's website, SI.com, was well on its way to exceeding 100,000 Facebook "likes."

Bill Clinton and the White House both issued statements of respect for Collins' decision to go public.

Dozens of current and former NBA players Tweeted powerful messages of encouragement. Kobe Bryant said that he was proud of Collins, Dwayne Wade wrote that he respected Collins decision to "[take] a stand and live in his truth" and Kevin Love called him a "class act." The NBA and many of the league's teams joined together to release statements in support and solidarity.

Rather than becoming a pariah, Collins became beloved. He is now a role model.

So where does Collins' story leave us? Certainly his brave decision to come out is not the end of gay Americans' battle for equality and civil rights. But Collins decision to go public about his sexuality can be a turning point, especially for young gay male athletes.

Somewhere in America a teenage boy is shooting basketball in a rec center or a driveway or a church gymnasium who, on Monday morning, thought that his sexuality might prevent him from living his dreams. A day later, thanks to Collins' bravery, he now believes he can live his life openly, limited not by his sexuality, but only by how far his talent can take him.

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AndrewLohr said...

He has the same chance to repent and be saved as you, I, or any other sinner.

Care to celebrate Tim Tebow's courage for being out of the closet as a Christian?

Care to celebrate the courage of people who get persecuted for refusing to photoshoot 'gay' mirages or refusing to do special wedding cakes for such?

April 30, 2013 at 1:55 a.m.
AndrewLohr said...

1 in 25 calls themselves 'gay,' hmmm, but didn't I read that only 1 in 300 Canadian marriages features a 'gay' couple?

April 30, 2013 at 1:57 a.m.
Easy123 said...

AndrewLohr,

"Care to celebrate Tim Tebow's heroism for being out of the closet about his Christianity"

Because Christians are such a persecuted group in the United States of America... Get real. Tim Tebow has millions of fans and is lauded by the entire sports world. The man had a documentary made about his college career up to the draft and already has a several books, including an autobiography. This all before the age of 25.

There is no heroism involved in being a Christian in a country where nearly 80% of the population shares your beliefs.

"Care to celebrate the courage of people who get persecuted for refusing to photoshoot 'gay' mirages or refusing to do special wedding cakes for such?"

If you want to celebrate bigotry, go right ahead. But I bet you can't point to one example of such things happening.

What courage does it take to refuse someone service because of their sexuality? I'd refuse service to a stuttering hermit like yourself. You're creepy looking. Should that be celebrated? Were you one of those celebrating the "courage" it took to segregate drinking fountains and bathrooms in the 60's or refusing service to African-Americans?

There is no difference. Hide behind your religion all you want, but your bigotry and homophobia is here for everyone to see. And you and others will continue to be chastised for said bigotry.

April 30, 2013 at 2:43 a.m.
joneses said...

I find it amazing that with everything going on in the world and the threats the United States is facing from obama that anyone would focus on one persons sex life. The news media in America has really hit bottom. I am so glad I am not paying for this crap as a subscriber to the Times Free Press and do not have cable TV. Why would anyone pay to read or hear this crap?

April 30, 2013 at 7:47 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

joneses, why do you even come to this site? Why not stick with those sources that you agree with?

April 30, 2013 at 7:51 a.m.
magenta said...

Is the right side conservative TFP trying to reinvent itself and clean up its image? This side has bashed the gay/lesbian lifestyle the most. Is this part of their new strategy to clean up their image after spewing all that hate against minorities, muslims, and particuarly gays and lesbians? If so, can they be trusted to not go back to their old hating habits. It's always been the belief that the way someone presents themselves to you the first time, that's who that individual truly is. They may attempt to change strategies, but their primary goals remain the same.

April 30, 2013 at 7:54 a.m.
conservative said...

EVERY practicing homosexual will spend eternity in hell:

Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God 1Corinthians 6:9-10

Can you think of a better reason to not be a homosexual?

April 30, 2013 at 8:02 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

I assure you, conservative, no one WANTS to be gay when there are people like you out there ready to hate them for it.

April 30, 2013 at 8:06 a.m.
magenta said...

conservative said... EVERY practicing homosexual will spend eternity in hell: Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God 1Corinthians 6:9-10 Can you think of a better reason to not be a homosexual?

conserv. isn't it a *SIN of the highest order with God to misquote the bible and mislead his flock?

Here's what 1. Corinthians 6:9-10 really say:

9. Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingodom of God? Be not deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10. Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God

Those two verses cover a wide range of sinners. Particuarly a lot of YOU finger pointing bible thumpers.

April 30, 2013 at 8:21 a.m.
Leaf said...

There are still a few openly racist people who lived through the civil rights era, but those people are rapidly dying out. Most people realized their racism was wrong and changed their viewpoint. People can change if they want to. Now (or a few years from now in the South), homophobes will be trying to get themselves on the right side of history.

I must admit I was on the wrong side of history in my youth along with all my peers. We thought nothing of using the term "fag" as an insult. Now we have grown up, we have gay friends and family, and most of us realize we were wrong. But there are a few homophobes still out there. They will wonder why more and more people shun them and why their family avoids them. They will not be much missed when they finally kick the bucket and make way for a more open-minded generation.

April 30, 2013 at 9:47 a.m.
librul said...

In answer to your query Con-man:

Yep, not being born one.

Like they say, gays are born that way, you Xtians have to be taught to hate.

"The heathen prays to a stone and calls it a god, the Xtian prays to a ghost and calls it a spirit. And the prayers of boith are equally useful." ~ R.G. Ingersoll

Crosspostng - the new normal in online opinion warfare.

Oh, and don't forget, kids, May 2nd is the NATIONAL DAY OF REASON.

http://nationaldayofreason.org/

April 30, 2013 at 10:14 a.m.
timbo said...

Does anybody even watch television? Gays are always depicted positively. This idea that "coming out" is "brave" is ridiculous. According to the media, Gays know everything about anything. The only people constantly made fun of are conservative white males. I guess if that is OK, then it is OK to make fun of Gays.

This idea that they are discriminated against is BS. The marriage thing maybe but civil unions are legal in a bunch of states. Marriage is defined as a union between a man and a woman. If Gays want to do whatever, call it something else. A dog is not a cat no matter how much you want it to be.

Personally, I don't care who people have sex with but I have the right to disagree if I want to disapprove of someone's behavior. Just like you libs are judging the behavior of people who don't agree with you. What is good for the goose is good for the gander...or what is good for the gander is good for the gander...you know what I mean.

This is just a dumb article.

April 30, 2013 at 12:23 p.m.
Easy123 said...

The most copious amount of bullsh!t just flowed from your post, timboner. Complete and utter garbage.

April 30, 2013 at 1:50 p.m.
Easy123 said...

JonRoss,

Everything you say is asinine.

April 30, 2013 at 7:55 p.m.
Easy123 said...

JonRoss,

"But then again, I could declare my self "gay", and start suing every SOB who dares defy my will."

More bullsh!t. You are being purposefully deceitful and ignorant. Throw a little homophobia in there and you have a big ol' pile of JonRoss.

"I do declare, I believe Mr. Obama has finally come out of the closet with his support of pedophilia and child rape as a Civil Right with his approval of the morning after pill for 15 year olds."

More bullsh!t. President Obama had nothing to do with it. The FDA approved it, moron.

What is your obsession with pedophilia and child rape? Nobody talks about pedophilia or child rape more than you. Projecting much?

"Without prescription or anyone's approval. Just over the counter."

Sounds like a great idea. Fewer unplanned teen pregnancies and fewer abortions will soon follow.

"This reflects the pure corruption of you filthy Progressive's."

You aren't a piece of fecal matter. You are every piece of fecal matter from the beginning of time until the end. You are the sum total of all excrement personified. You are a loathsome, hollow- hearted mound of bile and puss masquerading as a human being. You are an emotionally tone-deaf, abominable travesty whose every post is as rotten as it is disingenuous. If there is one molecule of human decency in your entire body, I feel extreme pity for it.

You are an ignorant liar and that is all you ever will be, JonRoss.

April 30, 2013 at 8:11 p.m.
Easy123 said...

JonRoss,

You are as ignorant as you are deceitful. Absolutely and utterly unbelievable that someone could be as patently ignorant and blatantly deceitful as you are.

Nothing you just said is true, logical or sensical in any sense. You are an imbecile.

April 30, 2013 at 8:39 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Fifteen year old girls who need the pill have been raped

This is in your experience, right? Makes sense. All the teens I know who got preggers were done by their teen boyfriends. You must run with a pretty twisted crowd.

April 30, 2013 at 8:51 p.m.
Easy123 said...

JonRoss,

""preggers"? - shows the disrepect you have for young girls in trouble."

You are a moron. "Preggers", "prego" and any other form of the word "pregnant" is simply slang. No disrespect whatsoever.

"I have no doubt at all that your career as an educator did a vast amount of damage to many young people."

I would pay good money to have Ikeithlu teach my child. You are a lying, ignorant piece of sh!t. You do more damage to yourself, your party, and your ilk on here than anyone ever could.

April 30, 2013 at 9:26 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Ikeithlu,

It seems like you've hit a nerve, Ikeithlu. Maybe JonRoss really does hang out with the nefarious characters you mentioned above. Or maybe he's the criminal!

I'll bet old JonRoss has been to prison a time or two.

April 30, 2013 at 9:27 p.m.
Easy123 said...

JonRoss,

"An underage girl becomes pregnant and ike thinks it is funny."

LIAR. Ikeithlu never said one word about anything being funny.

"But you have always exhibited the foul odor of Progressive/Obamist crap, so I am not shocked in the least bit."

You aren't a piece of fecal matter. You are every piece of fecal matter from the beginning of time until the end. You are the sum total of all excrement personified. You are a loathsome, hollow- hearted mound of bile and puss masquerading as a human being. You are an emotionally tone-deaf, abominable travesty whose every post is as rotten as it is disingenuous. If there is one molecule of human decency in your entire body, I feel extreme pity for it.

You are an ignorant liar and that is all you ever will be, JonRoss.

April 30, 2013 at 9:30 p.m.
Easy123 said...

JonRoss,

"preggers is a "haha" term bandied about by men who rape girls. ike thinks it funny."

You are liar and, possibly, a rapist given your vast knowledge of rapist jargon. Ikeithlu didn't mention one word about anything being funny.

April 30, 2013 at 9:31 p.m.
Easy123 said...

JonRoss,

"back at ya easy"

Good one, dumbass. Got any more zingers?

Keep going. I'll be here to flush you back down the toilet.

April 30, 2013 at 9:35 p.m.
Easy123 said...

JonRoss,

"you people blow you azzholes if someone dares to be mean to a homosexual"

You're a moron. All you ever do is "blow you (sic) azzhole" here. That's the real-life equivalent to your posts.

"but it is FUNNY that underage girls become pregnant. Disgusting."

It's still a lie no matter how many times you say it. You're a lying piece of sh!t and an ignoramus to boot.

April 30, 2013 at 9:36 p.m.
Easy123 said...

JonRoss,

"flush you back down the toilet" makes you sound like Dr.Gosnell. Which makes sense."

It actually makes no sense, moron. But keep trying. Maybe you'll come up with something.

"What is it about flushing babies down toilets that excites you Progressives ?"

I wasn't referring to babies. I was referring to fecal matter.

See how ridiculously ignorant and deceitful you are?

What is it about rape that excites you WingNutter mouth-breathers? That's all you knuckle-dragging psychos talk about.

April 30, 2013 at 9:41 p.m.
Easy123 said...

JonRoss,

"as easy quickly googles Dr. Gosnell."

You're winding down slowly but surely.

April 30, 2013 at 9:47 p.m.
Easy123 said...

JonRoss,

"What is is about rape that makes Progressives/Obamists yawn ?"

You mean WingNuts. Those are the only morons that seem to think rape is ok. See comments by Paul Ryan, Todd Akin, Richard Mourdock, Steve King, Tom Smith, Joe Walsh, etc.

Keep going, dumbass. I get a kick out of this.

April 30, 2013 at 9:49 p.m.
tcrashfx said...

Why are we even talking about this? Have any LPGA folks 'come out' by declaring themselves as heterosexual, for the last 20 years?

Why does this even matter, in the great scheme of things?

Dude is pretty good at basketball. Seems to be a stand-up, eloquent and educated fellow.

What does his private (Until he gave it to the media) sexual preference have to do with anything related to his chosen career at which he is evidently good at?

Good grief.

May 1, 2013 at 12:16 a.m.
timbo said...

Easy123..... do you have some book of liberal insults? All you do is call people names. I'm going to write a letter to the editor, using my old name by the way, telling everyone what's happening on these comment pages. It is just become an insult page for Liberals and some of the conservatives. In order for this to make sense people have to use their real names. If you're too afraid to do that keep your nasty comments to yourself.

Easy, you are a prime example of why people should use their own names. You're nasty stuff would never get on the editorial page of the printed version. They will not print a letter to the editor without a name and they shouldn't use any of these comments on these pages without names.

I am going to call the powers that be at the TFP and discuss this.

May 1, 2013 at 8:53 a.m.
Easy123 said...

timboner,

"All you do is call people names."

False. I characterize you accurately and you can't stand it.

'I'm going to write a letter to the editor, using my old name by the way, telling everyone what's happening on these comment pages."

I'll do the same thing from my perspective. I'll include your real name, your insults, your racist remarks, your ignorant remarks, etc. How about it?

"It is just become an insult page for Liberals and some of the conservatives."

Keep whining. You're just mad that you can't get away with the same lies and misinformation as you have in the past.

"In order for this to make sense people have to use their real names. If you're too afraid to do that keep your nasty comments to yourself."

You're spinning your wheels. My real name has nothing to do with the facts. My "nasty" comments aren't going anywhere.

"Easy, you are a prime example of why people should use their own names."

Keep telling yourself that.

"You're nasty stuff would never get on the editorial page of the printed version."

Wrong again. I've had my Letter to the Editor published three times in the last few years.

"They will not print a letter to the editor without a name and they shouldn't use any of these comments on these pages without names."

You're spinning your wheels, timboner.

"I am going to call the powers that be at the TFP and discuss this."

You do that. I'll be here doing my thing when you want to show yourself.

May 1, 2013 at 9:38 a.m.
timbo said...

Easy.,.. Threaten me one more time and I'm going to get in the car drive down to the Times Free Press And find out if they approve of your methods.

Your way out of hand. You said, "You do that. I'll be here doing my thing when you decide to show yourself."

My name is Tim Price. Ask around, I'm not hard to find.

I can't believe that the TFP condones this kind of thing.

I will no longer answer any of your posts. The best thing to do to you is to ignore you.

May 1, 2013 at 9:50 a.m.
Easy123 said...

timboner,

"Threaten me one more time and I'm going to get in the car drive down to the Times Free Press And find out if they approve of your methods."

I didn't threaten you, you psychotic liar. But drive your ass down there if it makes you feel good. I'll still be here to put you back in your place.

"Your way out of hand. You said, "You do that. I'll be here doing my thing when you decide to show yourself."

That isn't a threat, you psychotic liar.

"My name is Tim Price. Ask around, I'm not hard to find."

I don't give a damn who you are. And I have no interest in finding you.

"I can't believe that the TFP condones this kind of thing. "

Cry me a freaking river. I can't believe the TFP condones your ignorance, racism, name-calling, lies, etc.

"I will no longer answer any of your posts. The best thing to do to you is to ignore you."

Who's the coward now? LMFAO!

Rest assured, I'll continue to rebut your posts.

May 1, 2013 at 10:01 a.m.

How heroic! What a hero! He strung along his GF for 8 years while at the same time doing men on the side, and don't say he didn't. What so heroic about a man who lets the world know he likes sticking his you know what in another man's you know what.

May 1, 2013 at 10:57 a.m.

The standard for bravery and heroism have really been lowered!

May 1, 2013 at 11 a.m.

He's just trying to squeeze whatever publicity he can out of this because he's mostly a bench player and he knows his days are numbered. He's nothing but a "down low" fraud and probably exposed his former GF to all kinds of foul diseases.

May 1, 2013 at 11:14 a.m.

And the President of the United States said "he couldn't be more proud" of him! You gotta be kidding! This country is going to pot if POTUS takes time to praise this jerk.

May 1, 2013 at 11:16 a.m.
Easy123 said...

zableedo,

"while at the same time doing men on the side, and don't say he didn't."

Baseless claim that you cannot even begin to prove.

"What so heroic about a man who lets the world know he likes sticking his you know what in another man's you know what."

Who called him a hero? The words "courageous" and "brave" are words that have been used, but not "hero".

"The standard for bravery and heroism have really been lowered!"

There is no "standard". But think what you will, Mr. Homophobe.

May 1, 2013 at 11:16 a.m.

No. homophobe mr. easy. He can do what he wants, but he's not brave or courageous. Actually he was with Carolyn Moos, an ex WNBA player, for 8 years. He was engaged to her. If i were her I would go get checked out by a doctor asap.

May 1, 2013 at 11:18 a.m.
Easy123 said...

zab,

"He's just trying to squeeze whatever publicity he can out of this because he's mostly a bench player and he knows his days are numbered."

He's made over $30 million dollars. What could he possibly get out of this that he doesn't already have? Everything you're saying is baseless conjecture.

"He's nothing but a "down low" fraud and probably exposed his former GF to all kinds of foul diseases."

More baseless conjecture. Wouldn't he be the opposite of a fraud considering he came out instead of lied about it? I'll bet a billion dollars his former girlfriend doesn't have one STD. Prove me wrong.

"And the President of the United States said "he couldn't be more proud" of him! You gotta be kidding! This country is going to pot if POTUS takes time to praise this jerk."

This country is rising up despite the efforts of ignorant bigots like yourself, jerk.

May 1, 2013 at 11:20 a.m.
Easy123 said...

zab,

"No. homophobe mr. easy."

LMFAO! Do you really think people will believe that after everything you just said?

"He can do what he wants, but he's not brave or courageous."

Your opinion has been duly noted. However, the man has been called brave and courageous by more people than just myself. You're in the minority.

"Actually he was with Carolyn Moos, an ex WNBA player, for 8 years. He was engaged to her. If i were her I would go get checked out by a doctor asap."

And? There is no proof that he had any non-heterosexual relationships while he was dating or engaged to the woman. That's something you conjured up in your perverted little brain. The woman seems to be doing just fine. I'm sure the media would be all over it if she had obtained an STD from the man.

Try again.

May 1, 2013 at 11:23 a.m.

the only thing rising is mr. collins' weenie.

Rising? What a joke! Promoting devient behavior is a sign we're rising as a nation? Truly warped.

The fact is he strung his GF/fiance around for 8 years. Yeah, and sticking his weenie where it doesn't belong and never mentioning to her is something to be admired. This country is a sad state. He lied to her for 8 years.

May 1, 2013 at 11:28 a.m.

Yeah, dude, you expect me and everyone else to believe that Mr. Collins had no relations with any men in the 8 years he was with his GF? Sorry, I don't buy it.

May 1, 2013 at 11:33 a.m.
Easy123 said...

zab,

"the only thing rising is mr. collins' weenie."

I bet you'd like that, wouldn't you?

"Rising? What a joke! Promoting devient behavior is a sign we're rising as a nation? Truly warped."

There is nothing "devient" (sic) about homosexuality, you homophobe. You are truly an ignorant bigot.

"The fact is he strung his GF/fiance around for 8 years."

Kim Kardashian was married for 72 days. Get over it.

"Yeah, and sticking his weenie where it doesn't belong and never mentioning to her is something to be admired."

You've made that entire situation up in your perverted little brain. You cannot even begin to prove those baseless claims. You are a liar or an idiot. Which one is it?

"This country is a sad state. He lied to her for 8 years."

Pardon me while I roll on the floor and laugh my ass off. You are as ignorant as you are disingenuous and your homophobia is palpable.

May 1, 2013 at 11:33 a.m.
Easy123 said...

zab,

"Yeah, dude, you expect me and everyone else to believe that Mr. Collins had no relations with any men in the 8 years he was with his GF? Sorry, I don't buy it."

Believe whatever you want. That doesn't make it true. There are no facts to support such a claim. You could not even begin to prove that baseless claim anyway. Claims without proof cannot be affirmed. Your baseless claim can be dismissed just as easily as you have presented it.

May 1, 2013 at 11:36 a.m.

So not being ok with a man sticking his weenie in another man's you know what is something to be criticized for? The fact that I would be criticized for not accepting something as repulsive as that tells me how far we've fallen. It will never be ok. It may be accepted by many, and promoted by the media but it will never be ok. There's something wrong with a man who wants to do those things..they may born with it, or they may have fallen into it, whatever, but it's not ok.

You can call it "homophobia" if you want, to me it's just my gut reaction to something I find very offensive and degenerate.

May 1, 2013 at 11:47 a.m.
Easy123 said...

zab,

"So not being ok with a man sticking his weenie in another man's you know what is something to be criticized for?"

Absolutely. What does any of that have to do with you? If you don't like it, don't do it. Do you have the same feelings about heterosexual anal sex?

"The fact that I would be criticized for not accepting something as repulsive as that tells me how far we've fallen."

There is nothing repulsive about homosexuality. It's simply your bigoted, homophobic opinion and nothing else. Again, this country is rising up despite ignorant bigots like yourself. You and your ilk will surely be considered in a similar light to those against Civil Rights.

It will never be ok. It may be accepted by many, and promoted by the media but it will never be ok."

It's already becoming ok no matter how much you whine and stomp your feet. This country is progressing and you're being left behind.

"There's something wrong with a man who wants to do those things..they may born with it, or they may have fallen into it, whatever, but it's not ok."

There is nothing wrong with homosexuals. Homosexuality is ok whether you agree or not. I notice you don't mention lesbians. Why is that?

"You can call it "homophobia" if you want, to me it's just my gut reaction to something I find very offensive and degenerate."

To sane, objective, reasonable, tolerant people, you are ignorant, a bigot and a homophobe. See how that works?

May 1, 2013 at 11:56 a.m.

You, Mr. Easy, prove exactly my point about how far this country has fallen with every post you put up. This is America, and people can pretty much do what they want, and they do.

But you represent the bullies in this country who try anD label someone because they don't accept certain behavior as normal or ok. I accept that it exists, and that it's their right to do what they want, but I have a right to say it's devient and abnormal.

May 1, 2013 at 12:37 p.m.
Easy123 said...

zab,

"You, Mr. Easy, prove exactly my point about how far this country has fallen with every post you put up."

Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. You'll still be wrong, but whatever helps you rationalize it, right?

"This is America, and people can pretty much do what they want, and they do."

Within reason. There are laws, you know?

"But you represent the bullies in this country who try anD label someone because they don't accept certain behavior as normal or ok."

I'm not a bully. I'm labeling you accurately. You meet the definition of each word I have attributed to you. Just because you don't like those labels doesn't mean they aren't accurate or true. And just because you believe something to be "not ok" or "abnormal" doesn't mean those feelings are rational or correct.

"I accept that it exists, and that it's their right to do what they want, but I have a right to say it's devient and abnormal."

And I have the right, along with a lot of scientific facts, to say you're wrong. I also have the right to label you ignorant, a bigot, and homophobic because you meet the definition of each word, not because it's my opinion or how I feel about you.

Try again.

May 1, 2013 at 12:42 p.m.
aae1049 said...

Hello Tim, my name April Eidson, three people have "suggested removal" of Easy123's posted laced with regular profanity and continual attacks on other posters.

I have complained to the TFP administrator. If the TFP condones Easy123 threatening posts, then I think we should all discontinue posting here. He is so creepy stalking us electronically. We ignore him and he just follows us worse on our posts.

Two people, have openly complained. In fact,gjuster posted that he stays away from the TFP posting, because of Easy123.

May 1, 2013 at 1:17 p.m.
Easy123 said...

aae1049,

"Easy123's posted laced with regular profanity and continual attacks on other posters."

More deceit from you. You just can't tell the whole truth, can you?

"If the TFP condones Easy123 threatening posts, then I think we should all discontinue posting here."

I have not threatened anyone, liar.

"He is so creepy stalking us electronically. He stalks you in the same manner."

I am not "stalking" anyone "electronically". I simply call you and others out on your lies, ignorance, bigotry, etc. And you suckers hate being called out!

"We ignore him and he just follows us worse on our posts."

More lies! You're just a glutton for punishment, aren't you?

"Two people, have openly complained. In fact,gjuster posted that he stays away from the TFP posting, because of Easy123."

The truth hurts. Now, everyone knows what a lying, deceitful whiner you and others here truly are.

If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. I will not relent on anyone that uses deceit, lies, misinformation, bigotry, ignorance, etc. on these forums.

May 1, 2013 at 1:22 p.m.
dao1980 said...

I for one wouldn't miss aae1049's silly whiny nonsense if she sauntered off to a different wailing wall for her self-gratification sessions.

Though, judging from her post history, (it's public, and you don't have to be a stalker to quickly check it) she has a problem with the truth... so she's probably lying.. and isn't going anywhere.

May 1, 2013 at 1:35 p.m.
Easy123 said...

dao1980,

It's truly unbelievable to me that people would lie about things that can be easily observed and refuted by others. Psychosis at its finest.

But I agree, she's probably lying about leaving.

May 1, 2013 at 1:38 p.m.
aae1049 said...

See what I mean, posted for Tim Price and get a couple of cowards that hide behind user names. Fact is, if you cannot use your real name and hide behind childish names, then you are deceitful.

I bet Easy would have more mature dialogue with Tim, Greg, and others, if you used his real name. TFP uses facebook, as well.Easy does not post in a venue, he cannot hide his identify. What a coward.

May 1, 2013 at 4:04 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Good grief, aae1049. You don't understand what stalking is. Challenging your posts here for inaccuracies is not stalking. You have very thin skin indeed. If the TFP bans Easy it would reflect poorly on them. He's blunt and coarse, but he's usually right and only targets those that post stuff that is wrong. Other posters are far more obscene and rude, often with nothing whatever of value to say.

May 1, 2013 at 4:39 p.m.
Easy123 said...

aae1049,

"See what I mean, posted for Tim Price and get a couple of cowards that hide behind user names."

You're a liar that hides behind your real name. If you don't want to be address, then stop mentioning me. It's that simple. But you're just being disingenuous now.

"Fact is, if you cannot use your real name and hide behind childish names, then you are deceitful."

A little psychological projection, eh? It is not deceitful to not use your name when your name isn't required. You, madam, are the deceitful one. You are the liar.

"I bet Easy would have more mature dialogue with Tim, Greg, and others, if you used his real name."

I have mature dialogue now. Nothing would change if we were standing face to face. I would call you on your lies, deceit and ignorance regardless of the situation.

"TFP uses facebook, as well.Easy does not post in a venue, he cannot hide his identify. What a coward."

I've posted on the TFP Facebook page several times. Wrong again, crazy lady.

May 1, 2013 at 5:41 p.m.

RGII, the quarterback for the Washington Redskins is 100% correct when he said that we're under a tyranny of political correctness.

Guess we'd better get on board and be OK with the "gay" agenda, and every other stupid piece of garbage, like global warming, or else, huh?

May 1, 2013 at 6:11 p.m.
Easy123 said...

zab,

You might want to quit before you get that foot any further down your throat.

Your ignorance is palpable.

May 1, 2013 at 6:31 p.m.
timbo said...

lkeithlu...... Your commentary on easy 123 was pretty far off. He Is out-of-control and reflecting badly on the rest of you libs. Have you drank so much of the liberal Kool-Aid that you think that easy is right about anything. Most of his answers that he makes to quotes by other posters puts are basically just insults. Look, I'm a big boy and have been fighting you people for a lot of years. Although I know where April's coming from, I don't think you people are too scary, Especially Easy. Easy is just a scared little kitten who tries to roar like a lion.

The problem is if some moderation and politeness is not shown on these posts, believe me TFP will stop them. Why? Because of the liability. It is that simple.

Because you basically agree with easy 123 you have trouble being objective about his posts. My posts where getting out of hand and I had a friend, a conservative friend, that told me that they were going to far. I moderated to some degree and I think sometimes there's a mature discussion.

Requiring peoples real names would provide some of this moderation. There is a difference between free speech and anonymous name-calling and veiled threats.

There are some Conservatives on this page who believe in what they say enough to put their names by it I am waiting for just one, just one, liberal to do the same.

The problem is you're ashamed of your opinions and your tone or you just don't have the guts.

May 1, 2013 at 10:46 p.m.
aae1049 said...

lkeithlu

The complaints made by many conservative posters that are not cowards, and use their real names, regarding Easy123 are valid complaints. If you are OK with threats and profanity, that is your problem. Judge it how you wish, but use your real name doing it.

There are now 4 people who have publicly complained using their real name, are we all thin skinned, I think not.

Timbo is correct, "there are some Conservatives on this page who believe in what they say enough to use their real names."

I think that this site is dominated by out of control liberals, because of the harassing behavior of Easy. It is harrassing, threatening, laced with profanity posts.

May 1, 2013 at 11:10 p.m.
Easy123 said...

timboner,

"He Is out-of-control and reflecting badly on the rest of you libs."

Of course you would say that. That's how people that get called out and exposed all the time always react. However, I am totally in control of myself and my words. I type with concise clarity and always say what I mean. You, on the other hand, have shown time and time again that you seem to be out of control. I can point to post after post where you constantly use capital letters, as if to simulate yelling.

"Have you drank so much of the liberal Kool-Aid that you think that easy is right about anything?"

While I don't claim to speak for Ikeithlu, I know for a fact I am more right than you the majority of the time on any issue that is brought forth.

"Most of his answers to whatever "she puts on his most are just insult."

That's verifiably and demonstrably false. I have presented more factual content than you ever dreamed about presenting.

"Look, I'm a big boy and have been fighting you people for a lot of years. Although I know where April's coming from, I don't think you people are too scary, Especially Easy. Easy is just a scared little kitten who tries to roar like a lion."

Have you seen yourself lately, Tim? I assure you, if we were to meet face to face, you would find out really quick which one of us is the lion and which one is the scared kitten. You truly don't know who you're dealing with here. You shouldn't believe the mischaracterizations of your misguided mind.

"The problem is if some moderation and politeness is not shown on these posts, believe me TFP will stop them. Why? Because of the liability. It is that simple."

There is no liability on the TFP's part. They have the Terms and Conditions along with the Ethics Code posted. Profanity isn't allowed and posts have been taken down and posters have been banned on this site.

"Because you basically agree with easy 123 you have trouble being objective about his posts."

Ikeithlu and I have had disagreements before. You don't agree with me and that is why you cannot be objective about anything I say. You are brainwashed into believing the WingNut propaganda. You feed at that trough daily and you are eaten up with the ignorance it injects into your mind.

May 1, 2013 at 11:11 p.m.
Easy123 said...

timboner (cont.),

"My posts where getting out of hand and I had a friend, a conservative friend, that told me that they were going to far. I moderated to some degree and I think sometimes there's a mature discussion."

Good for you.

"Requiring peoples real names would provide some of this moderation. There is a difference between free speech and anonymous name-calling and veiled threats."

I'd call you an ignorant, lying, racist to your face. And I've never once threatened you. You're under this misconception that I would be more accepting of your blatant lies, ignorance, and racism if you knew my name. Let me assure you, that would not and will never occur. I'm all about one thing and that's the truth. I have no problem calling people like you out.

"There are some Conservatives on this page who believe in what they say enough to put their names by it I am waiting for just one, just one, liberal to do the same."

That's also a misconception. This is an online forum where names are not required. Believing in what you say, despite how incorrect or deceitful it might be, does not give you any moral high ground over people that wish to remain anonymous. I have no desire you have people like you or April Eidson invade my privacy and you two are just the people that would do such things.

"The problem is you're ashamed of your opinions and your tone or you just don't have the guts."

Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel like a big man. My opinions are absolute because they are grounded in facts. I never base anything I ascribe to personally to opinion, "belief", or faith.

If I were you or April Eidson, I would be ashamed of myself. You're both habitual liars. You're both highly ignorant when it comes to certain facts. You both buy in to the propaganda of WingNut media. You, timbo, have voiced your racist opinions here many times. The only good part about the entire situation is that those of us that see you for what you really are actually know who you are and can tell others the truth about you.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it, timboner.

May 1, 2013 at 11:12 p.m.
Easy123 said...

aae1049,

"The complaints made by many conservative posters that are not cowards, and use their real names, regarding Easy123 are valid complaints."

No, they aren't. They are the cries of people that cannot stand to be called out and exposed.

"If you are OK with threats and profanity, that is your problem."

That entire statement is a lie. I use very little, if any, profanity and I have never once threatened anyone here. You are a liar.

"Judge it how you wish, but use your real name doing it."

You're spinning your wheels. Your campaign to find out everyones identity so you can investigate them is not going to work.

"There are now 4 people who have publicly complained using their real name, are we all thin skinned, I think not."

You are all thin skinned and you're all habitual liars as well.

"Timbo is correct, "there are some Conservatives on this page who believe in what they say enough to use their real names.""

That's a misconception. This is an online forum where names are not required. Believing in what you say, despite how incorrect or deceitful it might be, and providing your name does not give you any moral high ground over people that wish to remain anonymous. I have no desire to have people like you invade my privacy and you are just the person that would do such a thing. I don't trust habitual liars, psychopaths, racists, etc. with my personal information.

"I think that this site is dominated by out of control liberals, because of the harassing behavior of Easy. It is harrassing, threatening, laced with profanity posts."

More lies from you. The only people out of control are you and your ilk. You've been called out and exposed. And you cannot stand it that the garbage you spew doesn't go unopposed. I haven't harassed or threatened anyone here or "laced' any of my posts with profanity.

If I were you, I would be ashamed of myself. You are a habitual liar. You're highly ignorant when it comes to certain facts. You buy in to the propaganda of WingNut media. You have blatantly lied about people's words here. You have tried time after time to take posts out of context and twist peoples words along with your egregious strawman arguments in an attempt to attribute things that no one said to people you wish to libel and smear. The only good part about the entire situation is that those of us that see you for what you really are actually know who you are and can tell others the truth about you.

May 1, 2013 at 11:22 p.m.
aae1049 said...

We are all using our real names and so there is nothing to expose, and filed complaints using our real names.

EASY cannot use threats and profanity in this manner, and hide behind user names.

In good company with 4 people that are not cowards, and use their real name.

May 1, 2013 at 11:53 p.m.
Easy123 said...

aae1049,

"We are all using our real names and so there is nothing to expose, and filed complaints using our real names."

Your lies, deceit, ignorance, etc. are exposed daily and you just can't stand it.

File away. I'm in the process of filing complaints against you and timbo as we speak. I'm also in the initial stages of drafting a Letter-to-the-Editor regarding both of you.

"EASY cannot use threats and profanity in this manner, and hide behind user names."

You are a liar. I have not made a single threat and any profanity I use is allowed under the rules of this site. I am not hiding behind anything. I'm using the rights I've been given on this site.

"In good company with 4 people that are not cowards, and use their real name."

All four of you are cowards and liars. Let me assure you, your deceit, dishonesty, lies, and ignorance will continue to be exposed by myself and others.

How do you like them apples, you lying psychopath?

May 1, 2013 at 11:58 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

I'll say it again. I can find no threats issues in Easy's posts. It is not a matter of agreeing or disagreeing with what he says. They are simply not there. If I missed something please copy and paste in your comment and put the date and time. Calling you a liar or a racist is not a threat. If you have something of substance provide it. Otherwise I am going to think that you really are thin-skinned. As rough as Easy can be, he deals with evidence and fact, and will call out anyone (and has done it to me) if they post something inaccurate or presents opinion as fact. If they continue without correction, then he accuses them of dishonesty. Might not be my approach but it is perfectly valid and within the rules here.

May 2, 2013 at 6:57 a.m.
dao1980 said...

So... your "real name" is aae1049?? Your parents must have been true innovators!

I personally don't care what anybody's "real name" is. Would a whiny fool not seem as stupid by any other name?

Oh, and I do actually get a kick out of interjecting an even more sarcastic (self gratifying) comedy routine on the TFP's facebook page from time to time... all whilst using my "real name".

"What a maverick!" haha, oh, aae you're such an emotional, silly lady. Don't take yourself so seriously. None of us are important enough to "stalk".. with yourself likely being the least important of the entire group.

May 2, 2013 at 8:28 a.m.
toolsred77 said...

Why do they use the phrase ' force Americans to consider', what does that mean or indicate. Why would anyone have to be forced. Forcing someone to do or know something against their will is considered bullying in my book.

Also, why is it considered brave to openly state someone's sexual orientation.

May 3, 2013 at 8:32 a.m.
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