published Tuesday, April 30th, 2013

The MVP

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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alprova said...

Oh me oh my

Why Jason why?

Some will call him insane

Con-man's gonna pop a vein.

April 30, 2013 at 12:35 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Bigger story to the MSM than Benghazi ever was.

April 30, 2013 at 12:42 a.m.
AndrewLohr said...

Care to celebrate Tim Tebow's heroism for being out of the closet about his Christianity (and by all acounts living up to it?) Incidentally, Tebow led a team to the playoffs when given the chance, and won a playoff game. Never heard of Mr Collins (tho I pay little attention to basketball.)

April 30, 2013 at 1:50 a.m.
Easy123 said...

AndrewLohr,

"Care to celebrate Tim Tebow's heroism for being out of the closet about his Christianity (and by all acounts living up to it?)"

Because Christians are such a persecuted group in the United States of America... Get real. Tim Tebow has millions of fans and is lauded by the entire sports world. The man had a documentary made about his college career up to the draft and already has a several books, including an autobiography. This all before the age of 25.

There is no heroism involved in being a Christian in a country where nearly 80% of the population shares your beliefs.

"Incidentally, Tebow led a team to the playoffs when given the chance, and won a playoff game."

The Broncos squeaked into the playoffs behind the statistically worst quarterback in the NFL. Yep, that's right, Tim Tebow wasn't and still isn't a serviceable NFL quarterback. Tim Tebow played for a decent Denver Bronco team with a very good defense in 2011. Guess what happened after that one game playoff run? The Broncos traded him. So much for all that praying...

"Never heard of Mr Collins (tho I pay little attention to basketball.)"

Jason Collins broke the California career rebounding record in high school. He played basketball at Stanford where is he was first-team All-Pac 10 in 2001. He was also voted to the All-American team the same year. Drafted in the first round of the 2001 NBA Draft. Collins has played for 6 NBA teams during his 13 year career.


Collins is an average professional basketball player at best. However, I know he is a much more successful, athletic, well-rounded, better educated human being than you ever dreamed of being, AndrewLohr. Collins is a true hero. He's come out in the face of overt hatred, bigotry, and homphobia.

To imply, as you have, that Tim Tebow is "successful" because of his faith is asinine. The man is 6'3", 230 lbs. and extremely athletic. It would be more surprising if Tebow wasn't successful in college given his size and speed. To imply, as you have, that Jason Collins isn't "well known" because of his sexuality is also asinine. The man is a professional basketball player with a Stanford education. He's doing pretty well for himself.

While the stuttering hermit known as Andrew Lohr might not know who Jason Collins is, the majority of Americans know his name now. A man with the courage of Jason Collins should be praised for that courage. Equality is coming and people like Jason Collins are paving the way.

April 30, 2013 at 2:28 a.m.
joepulitzer said...

MVP or not, I bet ol' Bennett wouldn't bend over and pick up a pencil in front of him. On second thought ....

April 30, 2013 at 5:37 a.m.
degage said...

I do believe Clay is obsessed with gay.

April 30, 2013 at 6:03 a.m.
delmar said...

degage said... I do believe Clay is obsessed with gay.

Or, perhaps, he is impressed by the courage of someone willing to stand in front of all the homophobic bible thumping judgmental religious fanatics that will invariably spout off about his character.

April 30, 2013 at 6:49 a.m.
anniebelle said...

degage, spoken with all the hatefilled rhetoric promoted on the right by your leaders and I might add most so-called X-tians.

April 30, 2013 at 7:16 a.m.
joneses said...

I find it odd that you liberals are so focused on peoples sex life. I have never heard of Jason Collins and I really couldn't care less about who he has sex with. What is really pathetic is we have North Korea threatening to shoot missiles at us, and o'bastard is even more concerned about this guys sex life than he is the North Korean threat. More proof you liberals elected a failure to occupy the White House.

April 30, 2013 at 7:22 a.m.
dude_abides said...

joepulitzer said... "MVP or not, I bet ol' Bennett wouldn't bend over and pick up a pencil in front of him. On second thought ...."

homofauxbia is what I suspect on your part. I bet you're not as afraid of it as you act.

April 30, 2013 at 7:23 a.m.
Maximus said...

Typical, in Clays world everyone gets a trophy. Putting aside how the guy gets off, which I could care less about, Collins was an NBA second teamer at best. More than anything, a 36 year old player at the end of his career wanting to cash in. It's about the money, that's all. Good for him. Meanwhile, Special Forces Operators wanting to come forward as whistle blowers regarding Obama's mishandling of Benghazi are being threatened and stonewalled by the corrupt regime. DO YOUR JOB CLAY!

April 30, 2013 at 7:25 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Special Forces Operators wanting to come forward as whistle blowers regarding Obama's mishandling of Benghazi are being threatened and stonewalled by the corrupt regime.

evidence, please

April 30, 2013 at 7:31 a.m.
Maximus said...

Did Obama or his press guy Jay Carney make a comment on the passing of one America's iconic and most beloved country artists, George Jones? Silence. Obama falls all over himself about the death of hack movie critic Roger Ebert. Of course Ebert was from thug Chicago, the murder capital of the U. S. and Possum was a good ole boy from the South.

April 30, 2013 at 7:32 a.m.
conservative said...

Man said: the MVP

God said:

Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. Leviticus 18:22 KJV

April 30, 2013 at 7:39 a.m.
degage said...

Annie, What is so hateful about getting tired of the constant toons about gay. Who cares about another persons sex life? I know you do! You believe he is so brave to come out of the closet, where I believe he just wanted attention. His sex life should be between him and his partners not the whole world.

Do all you libs go around telling the world about what you do in your bedroom? What I or you or anyone else does in the bedroom is and should be private.

April 30, 2013 at 7:41 a.m.
magenta said...

miniMaxi said... Did Obama or his press guy Jay Carney make a comment on the passing of one America's iconic and most beloved country artists, George Jones?

I'll have to be honest, Mixmax. I'd never heard of George Jones before his death. I've listened to all kinds of music throughout the years. Folk, country, blue-grass, hip-hop, jazz, pop, you name it. Jones may have been well known and iconic to some Americans, but surely not ALL?

April 30, 2013 at 7:47 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Do all you libs go around telling the world about what you do in your bedroom?

No

And being gay is WAY more than what happens in a bedroom.

April 30, 2013 at 7:49 a.m.
Maximus said...

Ike as usual you are behind, you must be an MSNBC or CNN Obama network fan. Wake up! Story was uncovered by FOX News the most fair and balanced by the way and several other media outlets. Special forces operator has come forward in a tape interview with face blurred and voice garbled in order to protect himself and career from Obama reprisals and threats. Get wit it will ya! I guess u r too busy with all the gay stuff. Obama gayest administration ever while also being the most corrupt.

April 30, 2013 at 7:50 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Funny that you don't provide any links, Maxie

I found it on Fox-it is a lawyer claiming something. Not exactly a strong story yet. That Obama's administration screwed up on this is true. But I will wait and see how this develops before I accept a cover-up.

April 30, 2013 at 7:56 a.m.
librul said...

Hardly twenty posts and the wingnut whackjobs have already turned this thread into a toilet bowl of literary turpetude.

April 30, 2013 at 8:02 a.m.
John_Proctor said...

The truth well said, librul, extremely well said.

April 30, 2013 at 8:09 a.m.
Maximus said...

Mag u know nothing about music if you don't know George Jones. Are u an illegal? Link for Benghazi coverup....foxnews.com.....I know comments will be made but even your boy Obama recognizes FoxNews as a reliable news source. How about this Boston Bomber family receives over $100 K a year in guvment support. And Rome fell from within.......... I gotta get to work see ya losers.

April 30, 2013 at 8:17 a.m.
limric said...

gays, GAYS, GAYS they're everywhere!

Republicans (job creators) & good Christians beware! They are among you, waiting to take -YOU- the virtuous & innocent, back to their garages and darkened cellars to initiate you into a secret society of subversives. The perversion is powerful, it is invisible; anyone may be a hidden homo. The shopkeeper, the sports star, your sister, or even 'gasp'...the soldier. And the most subversive and perverted of all -- the Democrat, EWWW!!

What can be done about this satirical, yet humorously satanical, scourge and flush such literary turpitude? ;-) Mr Bennett it's time for you to---Consult the scriptures!!

Or stock up on Budweiser. Fox News reported late last night that gays hate it.

April 30, 2013 at 8:28 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Gaydom, immigrationdom, abortiondom, etc. Anything to stir the pot and keep eyes off the failing administration. Benghazidom, obamacaredom, gunregistrationdom...all losers for this inept regime. But let's talk about the basketball playa.

April 30, 2013 at 8:40 a.m.
magenta said...

Maxine said... Special forces operator has come forward in a tape interview with face blurred and voice garbled in order to protect himself and career from Obama reprisals and threats

If the individual is blurred and voice garbled, how can anyone be sure it's real special forces and not a hoax? In the remote possibility the individual is real special forces, it's more like than not he's protecting himself from fellow special forces than the president. I've had a couple of relatives who were special force (first Gulf Invasion) and military intelligence (Vietnam). One of their strict codes they abide by is the CODE OF SILENCE. No one dare break that code.

April 30, 2013 at 8:45 a.m.
magenta said...

Maximus said... Mag u know nothing about music if you don't know George Jones. Are u an illegal?

LOL! LOL! Maxine, you're likely more illegal than I could ever be. LMAOAU!!

April 30, 2013 at 8:49 a.m.
alprova said...

joneses wrote: "What is really pathetic is we have North Korea threatening to shoot missiles at us, and o'bastard is even more concerned about this guys sex life than he is the North Korean threat."

That was so....last month. North Korea is no longer issuing any threats.

"More proof you liberals elected a failure to occupy the White House."

Not that your assessment matters one iota, you had better get used to being disappointed.

You're going to be out-voted for quite some time.

April 30, 2013 at 8:50 a.m.
conservative said...

EVERY practicing homosexual will spend eternity in hell:

Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God 1Corinthians 6:9-10NAS

Can you think of a better reason to not be a homosexual?

April 30, 2013 at 9:02 a.m.
alprova said...

Maximus wrote: "Meanwhile, Special Forces Operators wanting to come forward as whistle blowers regarding Obama's mishandling of Benghazi are being threatened and stonewalled by the corrupt regime."

On January 22, 2002 in Calcutta, India, Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami gunmen attacked the US Consulate, killing 5.

On June 14, 2002 in Karachi, Pakistan, an al-Qaeda truck bomb detonated outside the US Consulate, killing 12.

On February 28, 2003 in Islamabad, Pakistan, unknown gunmen attacked the US Embassy, killing 2.

On June 04, 2004 in Tashkent, Uzbekistan, a Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan suicide bomber attacks the US Embassy, killing 2.

On December 6, 2004 in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, an al-Qaeda gunmen raid a US diplomatic compound, killing 9.

On March 2, 2006 in Karachi, Pakistan, a car bomb exploded outside the US Consulate, killing 2.

On September 12, 2006 in Damascus, Syria, Gunmen raidws the US Embassy, killing 4.

On March 8. 2008 in Sana'a, Yemen, there was a mortar attack against the US Embassy, killing 2.

On July 8, 2008 in Istanbul, Turkey, an armed attack against a US Consulate was carried out, killing 6.

On September 17, 2008 in Sana'a, Yemen, two car bombs exploded outside the US embassy in Yemeni capital, killing 16.

How many people were aware of all these attacks and deaths?

Benghazi was one of many such attacks resulting in deaths.

Ten such attacks occurred, resulting in death happened while GWB was President. Three more occurred that did not result in a loss of life.

Where was all the outrage when the above lives were lost by all you Republican cheerleaders?

Where was Fox News? Did Fox News even report any of the above and print story after story about the lives lost as a result of terrorist attacks on our consulate locations?

Benghazi is all about an attempt to demean the President and Hillary Clinton, and it will go NOWHERE, just as it has done for the last six months.

I've got pimples on my posterior that are more fair and balanced than Fox News will ever be.

April 30, 2013 at 9:20 a.m.
librul said...

In answer to your query, Con-man:

Yep, not being born one.

Like they say, gays are born that way - you Xtians have to be taught to hate.

"The heathen prays to a stone and calls it a god, the Xtian prays to a ghost and calls it a spirit, and the prayers of both are equally useful."


Col. R.G. Ingersoll

April 30, 2013 at 9:22 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Jason Collins says “ being genuine and honest” has made him happier. . . I wonder if honesty could help bigots feel happier and more genuine. . . They seem to be such a hateful, unhappy, miserable lot.

April 30, 2013 at 9:32 a.m.
alprova said...

Ikeithlu wrote: "That Obama's administration screwed up on this is true. But I will wait and see how this develops before I accept a cover-up."

The screw-up came from the intelligence community. Fox News was the one source who printed that fact, early on, then they went back to reporting conspiracy crap.

A top intelligence official was the one feeding the talking points to the White House and Fox News reported him taking full responsibility for the misinformation.

There was no cover-up then and there is not one now.

9/11 occurred for the same reason. Intelligence dropped the ball.

Homeland Security was created to provide an agency through which all intelligence is supposed to flow. It might be working well to keep us safer here in the States, but it has done nothing to keep our consulate and Embassy employees from being targets of attack.

Beghazi made the news for one reason, and one reason only. It occurred on a September 11th anniversary. Outside of that one factor, it was no more or less noteworthy than any other attack on consulate locations scattered around the world.

April 30, 2013 at 9:48 a.m.
Maximus said...

Damn Alprova, too much time on your hands to look up other peoples stuff and put it on the net. Get a job so that you can contribute to Barry's Welfare World you down low pedophile.

April 30, 2013 at 9:49 a.m.
prairie_dog said...

Conservative,

Have you ever noticed how it seems we were created with all these human weaknesses, and then were told not to do all that stuff we were created with the desire to do? One of the most terrible forms of child abuse is to set up a goal for your children which they cannot accomplish, and then to punish them terribly when they fail.

Hint. Hint. Think about it. It will come to you.

You may be right, according to scripture. Doesn't it say in there somewhere that not everyone will be saved? You know, that part about, "I never knew you."

Is that the Holy Spirit speaking through you, or maybe someone else? Might want to do a gut check on it.

It's not my job to condemn people to Hell. It's my job to reveal the love of Christ to them, and then it's up to them to do the rest.

Jesus loved the sinners, and he died for them. It was the Pharisees (hit-men of the Hebrew faith, who enforced the laws set down by God) who put Jesus to death for working (healing people) on the Sabbath. Do you really feel called to be one of those who condemn people by so turning them away from Christ that they never have a chance to know Him? How many lost souls will be on your head for placing a stumbling block before them?

I'm just sayin . . . .

April 30, 2013 at 10 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Looking forward to the president's presser. Interested in how he will spin his first 100 days of nothing.

April 30, 2013 at 10:02 a.m.
whatsnottaken said...

Why does coming out make him a Most Valuable Player? Average talent, seems like good guy. May you meant Playa.

April 30, 2013 at 10:11 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

The Immigration bill (before Senate) would allow 11 million to become eligible almost immediately (once granted green cards) to state and local welfare benefits. Would that overwhelm our resources?...or does the Left care? Does anyone care?

April 30, 2013 at 10:11 a.m.
Leaf said...

degage said... "Do all you libs go around telling the world about what you do in your bedroom?"

Man, I wish we could. Maybe that's why they are so cranky? Those right-wingers never get any.

April 30, 2013 at 10:30 a.m.
alprova said...

Maximus wrote: "Damn Alprova, too much time on your hands to look up other peoples stuff and put it on the net."

You should try doing a little research before YOU post. That way, you wouldn't look like a complete idiot all the time.

"Get a job so that you can contribute to Barry's Welfare World you down low pedophile."

Sir, unlike yourself, I am most willing to prove to you that I am everything I have ever claimed.

I've still got that five grand to give you for proof that ONE thing you have offered in regard to your life, is factual.

It sure takes a lot of bravado to hide behind a computer screen and call someone a pedophile. You're a spineless wimp and there isn't a participant in this forum who does not know that to be a fact.

April 30, 2013 at 10:44 a.m.
alprova said...

Leaf wrote: " Maybe that's why they are so cranky? Those right-wingers never get any."

Now THAT was funny!!!

April 30, 2013 at 10:46 a.m.
patriot1 said...

Alpo the "registered repbulican" says....."Beghazi(sic) made the news for one reason, and one reason only. It occurred on a September 11th anniversary. Outside of that one factor, it was no more or less noteworthy than any other attack on consulate locations scattered around the world."

Alpo, wrong as usual. This was significant because it was the first Us Ambassador killed since Ambassador Dubs was killed in 1979. Surely you remember 1979, that's when that other democrat icon Jimmy (Jimmuh)Carter was president.

April 30, 2013 at 10:50 a.m.
prairie_dog said...

. . . and how come the figure on the trophy is not covered with tattoos and wearing long, sloppy clothes? This one seems way out of date.

April 30, 2013 at 11:18 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

Alprova, your list of all the attacks on American embassies/consulates that occurred under the Bush regime is ample reason for any reasonable person to shut up once for all about Benghazi. So little attention was paid to them at the time they happened that most people have either forgotten about them entirely or they never knew about them in the first place. As unfortunate as Benghazi was, it was just another in a long list of attacks that happen in these volatile and tension-filled trouble spots in the world. But the Repubs and various wingnuts keep beating this dead horse because the only way they know to gain the upper hand is to criticize and tear down. They so lack vision and intelligence for moving forward that they have to fabricate things out of thin air or magnify mole hills into mountains in order to make the Dems look corrupt or inept; and all the while it is they who are so corrupt and inept, not to mention disgusting, as to waste time and effort in beating these dead horses.

Here's another good reason for the wingnuts to shut up once for all about Benghazi: Between 2011 and 2012 House Republicans cut embassy security funding by over 4 million dollars. Hillary Clinton warned them at the time that that those cuts would be detrimental to national security. If the Repubs want to point fingers and lay blame, they have no one to point their crooked little fingers at but themselves. You wingnuts, just STFU about Benghazi already. You are only exposing yourselves for how mind-bogglingly asinine you really are.

April 30, 2013 at 11:23 a.m.
timbo said...

Rickaroo.. It is never the act of what happened it is always the cover-up that get's you. The cover-up here is obvious and this is going to be a pain in the Obama posterior for quite a while. Get used to it and practice your excuses.

P.S I was wondering when someone would blame Bush for Benghazi.

April 30, 2013 at 12:27 p.m.
timbo said...

timbo...As far as the subject goes.....Does anybody even watch television? Gays are always depicted positively. This idea that "coming out" is "brave" is ridiculous. According to the media, Gays know everything about anything. The only people constantly made fun of are conservative white males. I guess if that is OK, then it is OK to make fun of Gays.

This idea that they are discriminated against is BS. The marriage thing maybe but civil unions are legal in a bunch of states. Marriage is defined as a union between a man and a woman. If Gays want to do whatever, call it something else. A dog is not a cat no matter how much you want it to be.

Personally, I don't care who people have sex with but I have the right to disagree if I want to disapprove of someone's behavior. Just like you libs are judging the behavior of people who don't agree with you. What is good for the goose is good for the gander...or what is good for the gander is good for the gander...you know what I mean.

This is just a dumb cartoon.

April 30, 2013 at 12:28 p.m.
Leaf said...

Well, you know. The people who are afraid of gay people or minorities or whoever getting equal rights are almost always the same people who are insecure with themselves. I know a few middle-class crotchety old white guys who think the they are discriminated against. They don't have a clue what discrimination really is.

None of them are very successful with women or work or life in general. They find it difficult to blame their lack of success on their own miserable personalities or laziness, so they have to blame everyone else, even if it means making up ridiculous conspiracy theories. Sound like anyone you know?

April 30, 2013 at 12:58 p.m.
Leaf said...

But if you have some self-awareness it's not too late to grow into a more complete human being. Let go of your prejudices, try to look at the world through another person's eyes, and maybe put down that tub of Walmart icecream and hit the gym.

April 30, 2013 at 1:02 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Timbo and you other effin' wingnuts...

Cover-up, shmover-up. If there was any "cover-up," it was Obama's reluctance/failure to call it a calculated terrorist attack from the get-go. What would it have changed, even if he had referred to it as a terrorist attack from the very beginning? It wouldn't have the changed the FACT that Republicans still voted to cut funding for embassy security in 2011 and 2012. And there is still the egregious lying of Bush/Cheney on making their case for the Iraq war that far outweighs any "cover-up" relating to Benghazi. If there is anything Obama should be held accountable for and accused of covering up, it's for covering the guilt of those disgusting pigs Bush and Cheney. He should have had them prosecuted for war crimes immediately after taking office. To nit-pick about Benghazi with all the blood on Bush's and Cheney's hands is the ultimate lunacy.

April 30, 2013 at 1:05 p.m.
MTJohn said...

conservative said...EVERY practicing homosexual will spend eternity in hell...

Conservative - even if your rigid and unloving interpretation of Scripture, it is not your place to judge.

Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things. We know that the judgment of God rightly falls on those who practice such things. Do you suppose, O man—you who judge those who practice such things and yet do them yourself—that you will escape the judgment of God? Or do you presume on the riches of his kindness and forbearance and patience, not knowing that God's kindness is meant to lead you to repentance? But because of your hard and impenitent heart you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath when God's righteous judgment will be revealed.

April 30, 2013 at 1:13 p.m.
timbo said...

Leaf...You came in and took the bait like a big old bass. You said," I know a few middle-class crotchety old white guys who think the they are discriminated against. They don't have a clue what discrimination really is" So as I said, it is OK to insult us old white guys but we need to walk on egg shells with minorities. If you want to be treated with respect, why don't you try giving a little respect.

I didn't say white guys were discriminated against. I said that they were made fun of all the time and gays are glorified by popular culture and the media.

You always use the standard liberal playbook. It's because of "white guys" or "conspriacy theories" or we just don't "get it." blah, blah, blah..

You are the most narrow-minded, incomplete person I could think of. You are so mired in this liberal/socialist mantra that you wouldn't know the truth if it bit you.

ONE MORE TIME....I DON'T CARE ABOUT GAYS ONE WAY OF THE OTHER. THE CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO. ALL I SAID WAS THE YOU MIND CONTROL FREAKS SHOULDN'T EXPECT EVERYONE TO THINK LIKE YOU DO. YOU AREN'T INTERESTED IN DISCRIMINATION YOU AND GAYS IN GENERAL WANT ONE THING...ACCEPTANCE.. DISCRIMINATION IS ILLEGAL. ACCEPTANCE IS PERSONAL CHOICE. MOST PEOPLE AGREE THAT GAYS SHOULDN'T BE DISCRIMINATED AGAINST BUT PEOPLE CAN'T BE FORCED TO ACCEPT THEM AS NORMAL.

People on this page do more damage to the liberal cause than any conservative every could. Some of you crap is BIZARRE.

April 30, 2013 at 1:17 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

"People on this page do more damage to the liberal cause than any conservative every could. Some of you crap is BIZARRE."

Funny - I often think that exact same thing about you wingnuts and the conservative cause. Your crap is as bizarre as anybody's, timbo.

April 30, 2013 at 1:26 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Is anyone else reading timboner's psychotic ramblings? And he is calling anyone else "bizarre"? I would totally refute his post as I always do, but I don't feel like rummaging through sh!t today.

And if anyone is wondering who the psychopath known as timboner really is. He's the plump little troll featured in this article.

http://www.chattanoogan.com/2008/4/24/126526/Local-Political-Activist-Tim-Price-Gets.aspx

April 30, 2013 at 1:31 p.m.
conservative said...

MTJohn,

I am astonished at your lack of understanding.

I simply quoted the word of God, the standard for all mankind, the standard every professing Christian should agree with and adhere to. Why don't you?

The judgment is contained in the Scripture I quoted. Those were not my words, I am not the author of those words, God is the author, He inspired the Apostle Paul to write those words. They are therefore authoritative and must be obeyed.

"and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work." 2Timothy3:15-17

You have no excuse for I have cited that Scripture (1 Corinthians 6:9-10) to you several times in the past.

Your problem is with the word of God. Why are you constantly opposed to His word on the matter of homosexuality?

My role as a Christian is to make God's word known to a lost and dying world. I am to warn others when I see them acting contrary to God's word. This is an act of kindness and love.

Why would you not warn others of destructive behavior, especially behavior with eternal consequences?

Your parents warned you of destructive behavior and it's consequences or you warned your children of destructive behavior and it's consequences. Surely they or you both did out of love, right?

April 30, 2013 at 1:53 p.m.
Stewwie said...

It's worth noting that Jason's identical twin brother is straight as an arrow. Yet another example that people are not born gay. It is nurture/choice, not nature that determines sexual preference. I'm interested to hear the rebuttal from the libs. Alprova/Easy/Ike, let's see it.

April 30, 2013 at 2 p.m.
Leaf said...

timbo, you seem a bit upset. Hitting a little too close to home for you? Do you feel marginalized? Feel like the world is passing you by? Well, it is. Keep up or get out of the way, you crotchety old dinosaur.

April 30, 2013 at 2:12 p.m.
degage said...

nooga, are you saying Collins is an animal because he is gay? that is not nice.

April 30, 2013 at 2:13 p.m.
Leaf said...

Stewwie, the science of genetics is very interesting. It is worth a lifetime of study and we still are in the beginning stages of our understanding. Obviously it is too big a subject to explain here even if I were able to do so, but I'll throw out a blurb for fun.

It's not just your gene sequence that determines what you are, but your environment and hormones. Identical twins share the same genome and amniotic fluid before birth, but their bodies are separate. Different chemicals in your body can activate and deactivate different portions of your genes. A relatively minute difference in environment can work huge changes over time if it trips the right trigger.

We probably all know identical twins who grow to be quite different. Sometimes one is smaller than the other. Sometimes one is smarter. I doubt you could say either is a choice.

April 30, 2013 at 2:28 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

Oh me oh my

Why Jason why?


Rated next to last in the forward/center category in the NBA?

A book deal and maybe a made for T.V. movie to at least reap some cash from a less than stellar sports career.

April 30, 2013 at 2:31 p.m.
Leaf said...

The article in the TFP said Jason Collins made $30 million in his career. Odds are that's more than you have, Jtwhatever. Hey, that makes him a one percenter too! I wonder if he hangs out with Mitt Romney? Maybe he has a dancing horse.

April 30, 2013 at 2:37 p.m.
conservative said...

MTJohn,

Now, another matter I want to address with you. You wrote: "Conservative - even if your rigid and unloving interpretation of Scripture, it is not your place to judge."

Did you mistakenly leave out the words "is correct" after the word Scripture?

If so, what is your interpretation? The passage is plain to me and besides why else would you and the Liberals/Atheists/unbelievers get so upset unless the meaning of 1Corinthians 6:9-11 was not plain to them as well.

Go ahead give me your interpretation of that passage.

April 30, 2013 at 2:37 p.m.
Leaf said...

There is nothing I find more tedious than a bible quoting contest. What a mind numbing activity that must be.

April 30, 2013 at 2:51 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Easy123 said...

Jason Collins broke the California career rebounding record in high school. He played basketball at Stanford where is he was first-team All-Pac 10 in 2001. He was also voted to the All-American team the same year. Drafted in the first round of the 2001 NBA Draft. Collins has played for 6 NBA teams during his 13 year career.


Tim Tebow:

2007 SEASON

Walter Camp Foundation National Offensive Player of the Week

Southeastern Conference Offensive Player of the Week, three times

Davey O'Brien Award winner

Heisman Trophy winner

Maxwell Award winner

Walter Camp Award finalist

Sporting News Player of the Year

Harley Award winner

Quarterback of the Year

First-team Academic All-American

Manning Award finalist

<p>Rivals.com National Offensive Player of the Year

<p>Rivals.com SEC Offensive Player of the Year

First-team All-SEC (Associated Press, Coaches, Rivals.co])

Associated Press SEC Offensive Player of the Year

Associated Press Player of the Year

First-team All-American by: Associated Press, Football Writers Association of America, Walter Camp Football Foundation, Sporting News, Sports Illustrated,ESPN, CBS Sports, College Football News, Rivals.com, and Scout.com

James E. Sullivan Award, awarded to the Nations top amateur athlete

Roy F. Kramer SEC Male Athlete of the Year. Third Florida Gator to win this award, Danny Wuerffel (won twice) and Ryan Lochte.

ESPY for Best Male College Athlete

2008 SEASON

First-team All-America by College Football News.

Disney Spirit Award

ESPY for Best Male College Athlete

Heisman Trophy finalist

Manning Award winner

Maxwell Award winner

Southeastern Conference Offensive Player of the Week

2008 SEC Championship Game Most Valuable Player

First-team All-SEC (AP, Coaches, Rivals.com)

Southeastern Conference Offensive Player of the Year

Southeastern Conference Scholar-Athlete of the Year

Wuerffel Trophy winner

First-team Academic All-American

2009 SEASON

William V. Campbell Trophy (formerly the Vincent dePaul Draddy Trophy, "The Academic Heisman") winner

First-team Academic All-American

Lowe's Senior CLASS Award

Heisman Trophy finalist

First-team All-SEC (AP, Coaches, Rivals.com)

Second-team All-America (Walter Camp Foundation)

Southeastern Conference Offensive Player of the Year

Sugar Bowl Most Outstanding Player

Sports Illustrated College football Player of the Decade


Just Saying.

April 30, 2013 at 2:59 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Timbo says: “This idea that they are discriminated against is BS. The marriage thing maybe...”

I believe you’re being less than sincere in your statement, Timbo. Examples of discrimination are plentiful. Shall we begin with one of the more recent attempts?

“Last week, Washington state Sen. Sharon Brown (R-Kennewick) introduced Senate Bill 5927, which would allow businesses in the state to deny services to individuals based on religious or philosophical differences. . .

Currently, Washington state law forbids businesses from refusing services or goods to customers because of sexual orientation.

On Friday, Jay Castro, a reader of Seattle-based blog The Stranger called up one of the bill's co-sponsors, state Senator Mike Hewitt's (R-Walla Walla), to ask why he was supporting the bill. Castro asked a staffer at Hewitt's office a simple question:

"What are rural gays supposed to do if the only gas station or grocery store for miles won't sell them gas and food?"

The staffer, who refused to identify himself, reportedly told Castro that if such a scenario were to unfold, "gay people can just grow their own food."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/29/washington-staffer-gay-people-grow-food-discrimination_n_3178872.html

April 30, 2013 at 3:06 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Media and left wing-nuts do not consider Libya whistleblowers to be whistleblowers -- they see traitors to Their Obama. Ignore if you can or whack-a-mole.

April 30, 2013 at 3:07 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Leaf said...

The article in the TFP said Jason Collins made $30 million in his career. Odds are that's more than you have, Jtwhatever. Hey, that makes him a one percenter too! I wonder if he hangs out with Mitt Romney? Maybe he has a dancing horse.


It was money well spent. Right?

Just think of how many extra seats were sold by the 6 different franchises he sit the bench for. That's why he played for so many different teams. The league wanted to "spread the wealth" among as many teams as possible.

April 30, 2013 at 3:11 p.m.
Leaf said...

jtwhatever, I don't think anyone but you is interested in comparing and contrasting the careers of a gay black NBA player and a religious white NFL player. What's the point? Neither one of them is as good as Ayrton Senna.

April 30, 2013 at 3:22 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

dude_abides said...

homofauxbia is what I suspect on your part. I bet you're not as afraid of it as you act.


Invariably when someone voices even the slightest disagreement with homosexuality someone on the left immediately identifies them as closet homosexuals. If that claim is true then it would appear to prove the point that homosexuals are the only ones intolerant of the homosexual lifestyle.

April 30, 2013 at 3:25 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Invariably when someone voices even the slightest disagreement with homosexuality...

But that is the point. Your or anyone's 'disagreement' with homosexuality does not matter. Your 'disagreement' is not a reason for denying rights to or discriminating against gays. Your diminishing this man's courage or comparing him to Tebow is an attempt to deny the reality of being gay in this country: gays are still discriminated against, are still hated, are still condemned by some Christians. I don't think you are a closeted gay, I think you are hateful and ugly towards someone who is no threat to you whatever.

April 30, 2013 at 3:33 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Our president can't bring himself to say “Jihadist,” “radical Islam,” “Islamic extremism,” “FBI failure” and any reference to the lackluster economy, the high number of unemployed and the rotten GDP number.

April 30, 2013 at 3:42 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Leaf said...

“jtwhatever, I don't think anyone but you is interested in comparing and contrasting the careers of a gay black NBA player and a religious white NFL player. What's the point? Neither one of them is as good as Ayrton Senna.”


I just thought since Easy was making comparisons between the two he may be interested in those details. You on the other hand seem to be overly interested in the race of the men in question.

Sorry but I don’t have any details that would shed any light on their worthiness exclusively as either black or white. On the other hand you seem to want to delve into that so have at it with my blessing.

By the way I heard that Senna was so adept at his sport that while performing he terminated himself. It seems that since 1994 he was the last one in his sport that was so skilled at it that he could accomplish that feat.

April 30, 2013 at 3:46 p.m.
Leaf said...

SimplisticTruthiness, all I can do is shake my head.

April 30, 2013 at 3:46 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Timbo says: “This idea that they are discriminated against is BS. The marriage thing maybe...”

And how about the State of Tennessee's anti Good Samaritan proposal - HB 1185 - as another example, Timbo? Clearly, this proposal not only discriminates but violates the American Psychological Association’s code of ethics.

“A bill proposed in Tennessee would let psychological counselors refuse to treat gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender clients. . .

. . . State Rep. John J. DeBerry Jr. (D-Memphis) brought the bill before the House. He earlier supported a “don’t say gay” bill, which would prohibit the discussion of so-called alternative lifestyles in state-run elementary schools.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/13/tennessee-counseling-bill_n_2867493.html

April 30, 2013 at 3:52 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

lkeithlu said...

“Invariably when someone voices even the slightest disagreement with homosexuality...”

But that is the point. Your or anyone's 'disagreement' with homosexuality does not matter. Your 'disagreement' is not a reason for denying rights to or discriminating against gays. Your diminishing this man's courage or comparing him to Tebow is an attempt to deny the reality of being gay in this country: gays are still discriminated against, are still hated, are still condemned by some Christians. I don't think you are a closeted gay, I think you are hateful and ugly towards someone who is no threat to you whatever.


Thanks for taking that statement out of context and presenting it as proof that I had somehow expressed a disagreement with homosexuality. I had absolutely no feelings toward this gentleman and had never heard of him but was only countering Easy’s praise of him while denigrating Mr. Tebow.

However don’t you think it odd that when someone does disagrees with that lifestyle that someone from the left usually identifies them as a closet homosexual. If they are then doesn’t it follow that homosexuals are the ones most likely to denigrate them and express self-hatred.

April 30, 2013 at 4 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Leaf said...

SimplisticTruthiness, all I can do is shake my head.


Most excellent retort.

April 30, 2013 at 4:02 p.m.
Leaf said...

PlainTruth, what's up with your picture there? I think I detect some photoshopping.

April 30, 2013 at 4:09 p.m.
anniebelle said...

degage - Why is your statement hateful? Let me count the ways. I have neighbors that are gay and they are the best neighbors on the block. Their house has been burned, they've been shot at, had their vehicles vandalized. You must have the attention span of a 1st grader. A couple of weeks ago, you said I was bringing up gun massacres too much, well some people in this country care about the well-being of all citizens, not just their self-centered selves. It's not about the bedroom activities -- they don't delve into mine nor me theirs. Get a life and think about someone besides yourself for a change.

April 30, 2013 at 4:12 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Timbo says: “This idea that they are discriminated against is BS. The marriage thing maybe...”

Well, Timbo, shall we fly to Kansas for another example that shows discrimination?

“Kansas lawmakers voted overwhelmingly today to pass a bill that opponents say legalizes discrimination against gays and lesbians.

. . .

. . . For example, an employer could fire someone if they discovered the employee was gay. Or a landlord could kick a renter out of their home. The religious exemption extends past places of business to universities, where students or instructors could opt out of a school's anti-discrimination policy.”

http://www.advocate.com/news/daily-news/2012/03/29/house-approves-kansas-law-legalize-discrimination

April 30, 2013 at 4:13 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

lkeithlu said...

And being gay is WAY more than what happens in a bedroom.


So true and like most sexually active couples or Ménage à whatever there is always the dining room table.

April 30, 2013 at 4:14 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

So true and like most sexually active couples or Ménage à whatever there is always the dining room table

Indeed. I don't want to know what couples do. ANY couples. Gay, straight, married, unmarried. It's none of my business as long as it is consensual, ie no victim. Even if money is exchanged (to mention another post regarding prostitution). Don't care. They are adults. Leave them alone.

April 30, 2013 at 4:23 p.m.
Leaf said...

jtwhatever said. . . "However don’t you think it odd that when someone does disagrees with that lifestyle that someone from the left usually identifies them as a closet homosexual. If they are then doesn’t it follow that homosexuals are the ones most likely to denigrate them and express self-hatred."

Wait, what? Hang on while I figure this out. . . . OK, I think I see the problem. Sometime way back somebody said homophobe and then that word was assumed to mean closeted homosexual. Homophobe just means someone who is afraid of homo. You know - our genus: homo sapiens, homo erectus, homo habilus, homo ergaster, etc. Damn dirty apes!

April 30, 2013 at 4:27 p.m.
timbo said...

Again, no facts just insults.

The problem here is you try to compare gays today to how blacks used to be treated. As far as I know, they can use the same water fountains as heterosexuals, they can go to the same restaurants, they can go in the same businesses, They are prominently talked about and shown on the television and media, They can virtually do anything that Heterosexual person can do. They even have civil unions which have the same legal rights as marriage. They might be made fun of a little bit but gosh you liberals spend about 99% your time making fun of "crotchety old white men."

The only thing, in your mind, that they don't get is acceptance. What I'm giving you is reality. Religious people will never accept homosexuality as a normal.

Yes, There are some archaic laws out there but they won't hold up to scrutiny. Why does it bother you so much that some people think differently than you do about marriage?

April 30, 2013 at 4:29 p.m.
limric said...

Dear Jason,

Obey the scriptures and know that Jesus (Gods empath for all mankind) has a wonderful plan for you -

HELL!!

April 30, 2013 at 4:49 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

timbo, although I won't equate gay rights with the Civil Rights movement, there are a couple of things: First, you can conceal your orientation if you have to (can't do this for race) Second, there are a lot of states where you can be denied housing, fired from your job or excluded from employment, or denied service in a business if you are gay.

April 30, 2013 at 4:55 p.m.
timbo said...

lkeithlu.... Which states municipalities or counties are you talking about?

April 30, 2013 at 5:01 p.m.
conservative said...

MTJohn,

Have you ever heard a sermon by an ordained minister? If you have then you are aware that he will often make a statement, interpretation, explanation, along with citing a particular passage of Scripture. He doesn't just read the word of God and then send his congregation on their way home without explanation and comment. What would be the point in having a pastor if he just did nothing but read the word of God?

Comment and explanation is the role of any pastor, or teacher or one who shares the Gospel or disciples another. This is common sense, this is basic.

April 30, 2013 at 5:09 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

magenta said...

I've had a couple of relatives who were special force (first Gulf Invasion) and military intelligence (Vietnam). One of their strict codes they abide by is the CODE OF SILENCE. No one dare break that code.


If your relatives had a CODE OF SILENCE then how is it that you know what they were or are they bad at keeping the code?

Maybe they were deceiving you so as to conceal their real identity and were actually keeping the CODE OF SILENCE.

If the latter you may want to be careful that they discover you suspect their double triplecross as they may have to terminate you with extreme prejudice. I’ve heard that those types are prone to conduct business that way and in fact you pointed that out in your post.

April 30, 2013 at 5:13 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Leaf said...

Damn dirty apes!


Surely you’re not one of those people that claim Aids came from having sexual intercourse with our brother hominoids?

April 30, 2013 at 5:26 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Timbo says: “Again, no facts. . . The problem here is you try to compare gays today to how blacks used to be treated. As far as I know, they can use the same water fountains as heterosexuals, they can go to the same restaurants, they can go in the same businesses.”

But you've been provided facts, Timbo. You’ve just opted to ignore the facts because you don’t want to admit that you’re wrong. Discrimination does exist.

When a group of Republican lawmakers in Washington try to establish a law saying it’s legal for businesses – including restraurants - to pick and choose their customers according to the sexual preference of their customers, it is called discrimination.

The same is true for all of those Republican lawmakers in State of Tennessee who want to create a law and make it legal for universities to deny counseling services to anyone whose beliefs and/or lifestyles are different from those of the counselor.

And like it or not those Republican lawmakers who are trying to establish a law saying it’s legal to discriminate anytime and anywhere in Kansas are guilty of discrimination.

April 30, 2013 at 5:51 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said …

How many people were aware of all these attacks and deaths?

Benghazi was one of many such attacks resulting in deaths.

Ten such attacks occurred, resulting in death happened while GWB was President. Three more occurred that did not result in a loss of life.

Where was all the outrage when the above lives were lost by all you Republican cheerleaders?

Where was Fox News? Did Fox News even report any of the above and print story after story about the lives lost as a result of terrorist attacks on our consulate locations?

Benghazi is all about an attempt to demean the President and Hillary Clinton, and it will go NOWHERE, just as it has done for the last six months.

I've got pimples on my posterior that are more fair and balanced than Fox News will ever be.


Maybe because no American citizens were killed in those attacks and especially not one of our ambassadors.

That none of the sites you referenced were denied the security measures that they begged for to keep them alive.

That while the attacks were underway they were not denied armed reinforcements to save their lives.

That in the aftermath of the attacks many lies were spread to deceive the public about what happened and who was responsible for the loss of life.

Other than that they were exactly the same.

Oh, I forgot we do have a filmmaker in jail so he won’t hurt the feelings of anybody that may have some sort of anger management problems.

Also very odd that you would proudly extoll the many virtues of skin eruptions on your posterior. However I guess everyone needs some personal attribute they can be proud of.

April 30, 2013 at 5:52 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Stewwie,

"It's worth noting that Jason's identical twin brother is straight as an arrow."

Good for him.

"Yet another example that people are not born gay."

That is not an example that proves that claim. Every twin study done on the subject of homosexuality mention nothing about choice. Each of those studies points to the role of genetics AND environment. Choice is never mentioned. All of the psychological studies done on the subject also rule out the idea of choice in being a homosexual. While you can believe what you wish, all of the scientific data and evidence is against you.

"It is nurture/choice, not nature that determines sexual preference."

First of all, nurture is not choice. Nurture is all of the external pressures placed on a human being that are outside of their own genetic code (DNA).

Secondly, all of the modern science and modern psychology rules out the idea of "choice" as a reason for sexuality. Again, all of the science is against you. Refer to the response by Leaf for a brief explanation of the subject.

"I'm interested to hear the rebuttal from the libs. Alprova/Easy/Ike, let's see it."

I'm interested to see how you reconcile your egregious ignorance on everything scientific. Nothing you've said coincides with the scientific and psychological studies, data, etc. done involving homosexuals. Homosexuality IS NOT a choice. Homosexuality comes about through a mixture of nature and nurture a.k.a DNA and environment. Heterosexuality arises the exact same way. It's science. Educate yourself before you further solidify your ignorance.

April 30, 2013 at 6:03 p.m.
Easy123 said...

jt6,

"Just Saying."

I was giving Andrew Lohr a brief introduction to Jason Collins because he said he had never heard of him.

Pay attention.

"I just thought since Easy was making comparisons between the two he may be interested in those details."

I didn't make one comparison between the two. I was actually exposing the false comparisons between the two made by AndrewLohr.

"I had absolutely no feelings toward this gentleman and had never heard of him but was only countering Easy’s praise of him while denigrating Mr. Tebow."

I didn't denigrate Tim Tebow one time. I praised his athletic ability multiple times and stated facts about the man's football career. And I only praised Jason Collins for his courage to come out of the closet amongst so much homophobia and bigotry. I also refuted the fact that it took any king of "courage" for Tim Tebow to be a Christian in a country full of Christians.

Reading comprehension is not your strong suit.

April 30, 2013 at 6:05 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

joneses wrote: "What is really pathetic is we have North Korea threatening to shoot missiles at us, and o'bastard is even more concerned about this guys sex life than he is the North Korean threat."

That was so....last month. North Korea is no longer issuing any threats.


Being reactive instead of proactive is the only way to go. Right?


"More proof you liberals elected a failure to occupy the White House."

Not that your assessment matters one iota, you had better get used to being disappointed.

You're going to be out-voted for quite some time.


The Republicans control the House.

The Senate is more likely than not to swing to the Republicans in 2014.

You and I both live in states that are almost if not entirely controlled by Republicans.

Also having control of the White House would be nice but we can live with the present configuration and work towards adding that later.

April 30, 2013 at 6:32 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

”In Uganda, gay people are being forced into exile.

If a new bill becomes law, homosexuality will be punishable by death – which means many people are choosing to leave and seek asylum elsewhere.”

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/04/gay-people-uganda-love-run

April 30, 2013 at 6:44 p.m.
conservative said...

MTJohn,

I am delighted that you chose to quote Romans Chapter 2 for it most surely condemns homosexuality.

You know that the Apostle Paul wrote the book of Romans. The main theme of the book is the gospel and how we justified by faith. Chapter one dealt mainly with the heathen world apart and outside of the covenant with Israel.

Out of a long list of sins mentioned in Chapter1, and the condemnation and judgment for them, homosexuality was the most prominent. The last verse of Chapter one reads:

"Though they know God's righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them." Romans1:32

Do you see that? Homosexuals were prominent in that list and they know they deserve to die! Now, I do believe the homosexual can get to the point where they don't see their eternal fate or even their behavior as sin because Romans 1:24 says "God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity" and verse 28, "God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.!" How sad, they seem to no longer have a conscience.

Paul in Chapter 2 moves on to the Jew, the chosen people of God who had the law and were enlightened to the mind and will of God. But many of course were uppity and disobedient just like the heathen. Many thought and were taught that the Jew would automatically go to heaven simply because they were chosen of God and obeyed to some degree the laws and commandments of God. They loathed the Gentiles. Paul, before Jesus saved him thought that as well

However, Paul dispelled the Jew in chapter 2 of that notion beginning with:

"Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things. We know that the judgment of God rightly falls on those who practice such things. Do you suppose, O man—you who judge those who practice such things and yet do them yourself—that you will escape the judgment of God? Or do you presume on the riches of his kindness and forbearance and patience, not knowing that God's kindness is meant to lead you to repentance? But because of your hard and impenitent heart you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath when God's righteous judgment will be revealed." Romans 2:1-5.

If you read this passage carefully after having read chapter 1, you will see that you have yourself provided/quoted Scripture that the "practicing" homosexual will come into judgment and as stated in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, will NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD!

April 30, 2013 at 6:50 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

The 55 Most Anti-Gay Countries At the UN

Afghanistan, Algeria, Azerbaijan

Bahrain, Bangladesh, Benin

Botswana, Brunei Dar-Sala, Burkina Faso, Burundi

China, Comoros, Congo

Democratic People’s Republic of Korea

Democratic Republic of Congo, Djibouti

Egypt, Gambia, Ghana

Indonesia, Iran, Iraq

Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kuwait

Lebanon, Libya

Malawi, Malaysia, Mauritania, Morocco

Namibia, Niger, Nigeria, Oman

Pakistan, Qatar, Russia

Saint Lucia, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Sierra Leone, Solomon Islands

Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Swaziland

Tajikistan, Tunisia

Uganda, United Arab Emirates, Tanzania

Yemen, Zambia, Zimbabwe

http://www.undispatch.com/the-55-most-anti-gay-countries-at-the-un

April 30, 2013 at 7:10 p.m.
magenta said...

*Jt6gR3hM said... magenta said... I've had a couple of relatives who were special force (first Gulf Invasion) and military intelligence (Vietnam). One of their strict codes they abide by is the CODE OF SILENCE. No one dare break that code.


If your relatives had a CODE OF SILENCE then how is it that you know what they were or are they bad at keeping the code?*

Are you grade school menatility or something? Of course, the family members know what positions they hold. They just don't know anything about operations, and certainly no real special forces or intelligence would go on live tv and speak the way the one you claim on faux news did.

It wasn't until over 40 years later we fully realized the dept of one relatives position serving in Vietnam and frequently crossing into and infiltrating North Vietnam, and several years after the 1ST Gulf invasion about involvement in special forces of the other. To this day, neither have ever gone into detail and discussed anything with family. So it's really odd that someone with such a position would go on faux and talk openly.

April 30, 2013 at 7:13 p.m.
alprova said...

conservative wrote: "I am delighted that you chose to quote Romans Chapter 2 for it most surely condemns homosexuality."

Paul was addressing Jews in the book of Romans, but let's use it against you for just a moment, since you want to cherry-pick scripture.

I'm using the English Standard Version, because I don't want there to be any mistake in understanding what is contained in the first five verses of Romans 2

"1 - Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things."

Proof positive!!, according to the word of God, that YOU conservative are a homosexual for condemning others for being so.

"2 - We know that the judgment of God rightly falls on those who practice such things."

YOU will be judged by God as a practicing homosexual.

"3 - Do you suppose, O man—you who judge those who practice such things and yet do them yourself—that you will escape the judgment of God?"

Do you truly believe YOU will escape judgment for being a practicing homosexual?

"4 - Or do you presume on the riches of his kindness and forbearance and patience, not knowing that God's kindness is meant to lead you to repentance?"

Do you see why it is that I do not fear a wrathful God?

"5 - But because of your hard and impenitent heart you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath when God's righteous judgment will be revealed."

Those who judge will suffer the wrath that they have stored in their hearts, much more so than those whom they condemn.

Repent, repent, repent...O man-you who judges.

April 30, 2013 at 8:18 p.m.
conservative said...

MTJohn,

Now, concerning the issue of judging and the meaning of "practice" in Romans chapter 1 and 2.

The verb translated "practice" in these 2 chapters is in the Greek "present active participle" meaning CONTINUOUS behavior or actions.

The passage that contains homosexual behavior as well as a host of others:

26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. 29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Though they know God's righteous decree that those who PRACTICE (present active participle) such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.

This is habitual, continuous, lifestyle behavior as opposed to occasional and confessed sin committed by a Christian. Surely you can see the difference can't you?

Beginning in chapter 2, the passage you yourself provided:

1"Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, PRACTICE (present active participle) the very same things. Lifestyle, continuous, habitual behavior, MTJohn.

verse 2: " We know that the judgment of God rightly falls on those who "PRACTICE" (present active participle) such things. Again, habitual, continuous, lifestyle behavior.

verse3: "Do you suppose, O man—you who judge those who "PRACTICE" (present active participle) such things and yet do them yourself—that you will escape the judgment of God?

Yes, yes, yes, those who judge others and practice (habitual, continuous, lifestyle) the same particular sins will not escape the judgment they might pronounce on others. Another word for this would be HYPOCRISY.

April 30, 2013 at 8:31 p.m.
alprova said...

Stewwie wrote: "It's worth noting that Jason's identical twin brother is straight as an arrow. Yet another example that people are not born gay."

Okay...let's say that you are right and that sexual preference is a choice. If one chooses their sexual preference, at some point following puberty, everyone has a sit down and they have a long and protracted conversation with themselves to arrive that their choice of gender preference. Right?

"Okay self...we've got this big decision to make. Do I like girls or guys?"

"I guess I'll like guys."

"No, no...wait a minute here...I think I'll like girls. If I choose to be gay, my guy friends might not like me anymore, so I'm definitely choosing to be straight."

Since we now have established that everyone makes a choice to be straight or gay, I have one simple question for you or anyone else who believes that homosexuality is a choice;

How old were you when you sat down and had that conversation with yourself and decided to be straight rather than gay?

April 30, 2013 at 8:31 p.m.
alprova said...

conservative wrote: "Yes, yes, yes, those who judge others and practice (habitual, continuous, lifestyle) the same particular sins will not escape the judgment they might pronounce on others. Another word for this would be HYPOCRISY."

You really need to go back and read Romans 2:1 and try to comprehend what is written.

*"Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things."

Did you catch it? Can you comprehend what is written in that simple sentence?

When you pass judgment on anyone for their particular sins, you are as guilty of the same "practice" as those whom you condemn.

There is no "if you practice" in that sentence. It clearly states that if you pass judgment, you are guilty of the very same sin that you condemn others of practicing.

So keep on spewing all your condemnations if you must. Every time you condemn someone for being a homosexual, you are condemning yourself for being the same doggone thing.

The Apostle Paul wrote it, and he was inspired by God to write it, and you are nothing short of a blooming hypocrite yourself.

How 'bout it con-man. Are you going to continue with your anti-homosexual rants in light of that which you maintain is God's word?

I'd love to see you wiggle out of this one, but I have not doubt that you will try to do so.

April 30, 2013 at 8:43 p.m.
Maximus said...

Wow Barry's press conference today was basically an admission that Obamacare is a train wreck and his second term will be a big ZERO. Thank you NRA and the Republican Congress. Job well done!

April 30, 2013 at 9:14 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Your psychosis has been duly noted, Maxipad.

April 30, 2013 at 9:16 p.m.
degage said...

Annie, I guess you have a problem understanding. I was making a statement that if a person is straight or gay it is none of anyone else's business. I know you don't like me because we have different political views, but it looks like we do agree that gays have rights. And the rest of us should stay out of it.

What ever made you such a bitter person?

April 30, 2013 at 9:23 p.m.
Maximus said...

Looks like Alprova's job is posting on The TFP. I jump in from time to time but some of you liberal freaks seem to live here. Alprova once again, it would have to be $50,000 for me to even consider meeting you. As far as doing research to post on Clays doodle board.......really? Your time must be worthless if you spend time doing research to post here. I do this for fun. This is not an academic exercise. I just love to tweak you liberal losers. Quick story.....Grandpa had a stroke and was rushed to the hospital. The doctor entered the waiting room to meet with the family to report on Grandpas condition. Doctor..."I have to report that his heart is still beating but his brain is dead." Grandma......"Oh my God we've never had a Democrat in the family!". Gang, I used my time well today. Closed two real estate deals. Life is good and like I said Dude, Rickaroo, Leaf, and Rickaroo get a freakin job and pay some of Barry's taxes otherwise u r just like the Tsarnrev brothers.......welfare weasels!

April 30, 2013 at 9:47 p.m.
alprova said...

Jt6gR3hM wrote in response to my question as to why Republican cheerleaders were not outraged over 13 attacks on our diplomatic entities prior to Benghazi:

"Maybe because no American citizens were killed in those attacks and especially not one of our ambassadors."

I see. I have no desire to verify American lives were involved or not in each of those attacks, so let's say you are correct.

If no American lives were involved, no harm, no foul? Because they may have been locals, perhaps even dedicated to protecting embassy staff, their lives are expendable?

"That none of the sites you referenced were denied the security measures that they begged for to keep them alive."

There is absolutely not an ounce of proof that anyone denied a request for security. In fact, Ambassador Chris Stevens was warned by local authorities who had reason to believe that something was amiss, to keep a very low profile when he arrived, but the man assembled a procession of vehicles to escort him to the compound.

He might as well have painted a target on his backside.

"That while the attacks were underway they were not denied armed reinforcements to save their lives."

There is absolutely no proof whatsoever that they were denied reinforcements either.

Director of National Intelligence James Clapper has repeatedly gone on record stating that there was no advanced warning about the Libya attack.

Defense Secretary, Leon Panetta, stated: "This is not 911. You cannot just simply call and expect within two minutes to have a team in place. It takes time. We deployed. We knew there were problems there. We moved forces into place where we could deploy them quickly if we had to. They were ready to go. [But] by the time officials got the information about the raids on the U.S. compound, which killed four Americans, the distance made it very difficult to respond quickly."

"That in the aftermath of the attacks many lies were spread to deceive the public about what happened and who was responsible for the loss of life."

There has been no evidence that any intentional lies were told to anyone. Fox News reported that James Clapper is the one who was feeding the talking points to the White House, following the attacks in Egypt and Libya.

No one disputes that the demonstrations in Egypt were the result of that stupid film. It was thought that the same thing sparked the attack in Libya as well. When the dust settled and after investigators were able to get into Benghazi to speak with locals, the facts came out that it was not a protest, but rather a planned attack, and one that U.S. intelligence failed to take serious.

So...yes, for two weeks, the talking points provided the White House and the State Department were incorrect.

Should there have been an increase in security forces? It appears to be an obvious and resounding YES. Who dropped the ball? That is what needs to be discovered and corrected.

(cont.)

April 30, 2013 at 9:53 p.m.
alprova said...

(cont.)

Congressional Republicans severely cut funding for embassy security prior to the attacks, and so the ranks at many locations were thinned, some radically. So there's that.

Since the State Department had not been advised of any credible threat to embassies in that region of Libya, additional security was not dispatched. Resources were used in areas that were under threat.

"Other than that they were exactly the same."

Our intelligence gatherers are still failing to share the goods they have with others.

Had Chris Stevens not went into that open compound in a procession of vehicles that marched right on through the very town where radicals were waiting for them to arrive, and instead arrived in the middle of the night, things might well have turned out different.

Clearly, someone dropped the ball. But it was not the President nor was it Hillary Clinton. Every diplomatic entity has a man on staff that is supposed to be in constant control over security matters and is supposed to be in direct contact with the Department of Defense.

Who was that, and what role did he play in all of this?

April 30, 2013 at 9:54 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Again, your psychosis has been duly noted, Maximusty.

April 30, 2013 at 9:54 p.m.
Maximus said...

Al Gore, Obamer, Easy 123, Dude, Rickaroo, Leaf, and Alpro, took a Viagra. They all grew 2" taller!

I'm thinking Alprova is really Clay Bennett otherwise Alprova is a dunmbass to do all his research on his unbiased liberal nonsense websites for free. That Army brat childhood really really made Clay Alprova a weirdo.

April 30, 2013 at 10:04 p.m.
Maximus said...

Benghazi .........Congressional Republicans fault who knew I thought according to Hillary it was the anti Muslim video. One thing about Hillary like her husband, when their lips are moving the lies are flowing. Obama can call the gay basketball player but he can't acknowledge or assist the Benghazi whistle blowers. Where is the social justice when you need it?

April 30, 2013 at 10:09 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Maximusty,

"Al Gore, Obamer, Easy 123, Dude, Rickaroo, Leaf, and Alpro, took a Viagra. They all grew 2" taller!"

Did we all take one, single Viagra? That's a lot of pill splitting. I bet you know all about Viagra, don't you, "weak prick"?

"I'm thinking Alprova is really Clay Bennett otherwise Alprova is a dunmbass to do all his research on his unbiased liberal nonsense websites for free."

You'd think a Vanderbilt educated person could spell, wouldn't you? We can all tell that you are staunchly against research of any kind, Moronimus.

"That Army brat childhood really really made Clay Alprova a weirdo."

Irony, the epitome of the word.

April 30, 2013 at 10:10 p.m.
Maximus said...

Easy Psychosis is a good word for liberalism and I didn't even have to do any research!

April 30, 2013 at 10:11 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Maximoron,

"Easy Psychosis is a good word for liberalism and I didn't even have to do any research!"

Oh, how clever of you! You need to pay me royalties for using my material.

Keep going, Rube.

April 30, 2013 at 10:13 p.m.
Maximus said...

Definition of a loser......doing research to comment on a cartoon.:)))))))))))

April 30, 2013 at 10:14 p.m.
alprova said...

Maximus wrote: "Looks like Alprova's job is posting on The TFP."

Nope. I have a computer in my office complete with Comcast service and since sales are kinda slow this month, I have some time to kill every now and then.

"I jump in from time to time but some of you liberal freaks seem to live here."

According to your posting times, you have a part-time job, at best.

"Alprova once again, it would have to be $50,000 for me to even consider meeting you."

You're not worth five grand to meet, but I'd love to learn the truth about you. That's okay. I've got ways to put that money to use that will uncover that rock you are hiding under, just to satisfy my curiosity.

"As far as doing research to post on Clays doodle board.......really? Your time must be worthless if you spend time doing research to post here. I do this for fun."

That I have little doubt about. You're nothing but a pathetic troll, posting to see who you can tick off. Let me clue you into something; What you consider to be "fun" may backfire on you like the tailpipe of that imaginary '57 Chevy you claim to own.

"This is not an academic exercise. I just love to tweak you liberal losers."

How much will you love it when someone "tweaks" you back?

"Gang, I used my time well today. Closed two real estate deals."

Oh...so you were able to mow TWO lawns today?

April 30, 2013 at 10:14 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Maximoron,

"Definition of a loser......doing research to comment on a cartoon.:)))))))))))"

LMFAO! Definition of a "winner" = the person that does no research and constantly looks like a fool every single day.

April 30, 2013 at 10:16 p.m.
Stewwie said...

[Homosexuality comes about through a mixture of nature and nurture a.k.a DNA and environment.]

Easy, this statement contradicts the theory that people are born gay. Does it not? Besides, if nature had that much of a role in the process, I would expect much more than 3% of the population to be gay.

[How old were you when you sat down and had that conversation with yourself and decided to be straight rather than gay?]

Alprova, being straight is what is natural, but obviously, it's not necessarily permanent. A man and woman create a child and there is no gay gene. Thus, a child that grows up and chooses same-sex relations doesn't do so because they are wired or born that way. It is a choice of some form.

April 30, 2013 at 10:29 p.m.
Maximus said...

Alprova I feel a twinge of threat in your post. Don't go there. Not only am I a card carrying member of the NRA , I have security. No, owning several successful businesses is a full time job but I am the boss. I jump on the TFP several times a day for local news and stir the pot at Clay's doodle when I feel like it but RESEARCH come on man!

April 30, 2013 at 10:33 p.m.
Maximus said...

Easy you and Alprova really give my postings an extra boost. Thanks for copying and pasting my towering and inspiring rhetoric! Mimicry is the highest form of flattery. Did y'all see where BCBS made $221 million in 2012. They are a client of mine and always pay on time. Obama has partnered with the Blues across the country to sell all the so called uninsured health insurance policies since the guvment has no idea what they are doing. Cool!

April 30, 2013 at 10:42 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

“If no American lives were involved, no harm, no foul? Because they may have been locals, perhaps even dedicated to protecting embassy staff, their lives are expendable?”


Of course that was exactly what I meant and it had nothing to do an explanation of why the public and news media were less interested in the earlier attacks and more so the Benghazi attack. The fact that Americans were killed in the latter one had no bearing on the amount of attention paid to those events in this country.

How perceptive of you.

April 30, 2013 at 10:45 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

There is absolutely not an ounce of proof that anyone denied a request for security.


You’re so right as all of the requests sent to the State Department for more security were handled in an expedited manner and Ambassador Stevens had unlimited access to all sorts of security. Just like the local yokels hired to guard the compound and ran away at the first sign of trouble.


“In fact, Ambassador Chris Stevens was warned by local authorities who had reason to believe that something was amiss, to keep a very low profile when he arrived, but the man assembled a procession of vehicles to escort him to the compound.

He might as well have painted a target on his backside.”


So he was responsible for his own death and was complicit in the deaths of the others due to his security incompetence.

April 30, 2013 at 10:54 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

There is absolutely no proof whatsoever that they were denied reinforcements either.


Once the State Department dropped the ball on security there was no helping the Ambassador or his aid that was killed early in the attacks. However several hours passed between that occurrence and the death of the last two security members. There was more than ample time to have saved their lives but they were low level and expendable types so they were abandoned.

There were several armed response units within a 1 to 2 hour time frame but the excuse was that no one knew what was happening on the ground and they couldn’t send them in under those circumstances. However the State Department was monitoring the situation in real time with people that were on the ground. Why are we training and arming these groups if not to send them in harm’s way.

April 30, 2013 at 11:08 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Stewwie,

"Easy, this statement contradicts the theory that people are born gay. Does it not?"

Not really. When people make that statement, I don't think they literally mean people were homosexual as babies. It's a more correct statement than your "homosexuality is entirely a choice" theory.

"Besides, if nature had that much of a role in the process, I would expect much more than 3% of the population to be gay."

Why? Only 11% of the world is left-handed and that's a nature + nurture situation as well, not to mention that left-handedness is one of only two options; there are more than two sexualities in the animal kingdom. Personally, I don't give a damn what you think about any of it. You're wrong. All of the science and psychology is against you. Pardon me while I laugh at what you "expect" to happen.

"Alprova, being straight is what is natural, but obviously, it's not necessarily permanent."

That entire statement is false. If heterosexuality was "what is natural" then why do most cells/bacteria/algae/etc. produce asexually? Why does homosexuality occur in about the same instance in the animal kingdom? Riddle me that, Einstein.

Homosexuality is permanent. Just because someone doesn't have homosexual sex or "converts" out of shame or force, does not mean they are no longer homosexual. But, using you logic, heterosexuality isn't permanent either, correct?

"A man and woman create a child and there is no gay gene."

That remains to be seen. However, as I've stated before, homosexuality is arises due to a combination of genetic and outside (nurture) factors. That's the science.

"Thus, a child that grows up and chooses same-sex relations doesn't do so because they are wired or born that way. It is a choice of some form."

Once again, you are unequivocally and utterly wrong. There is no other way to put it. Your ignorance on the subject is evident to anyone here that has actually done any research on the subject. Your logic is not sound. You argument is debunked by study after study that prove "choice" plays no part in determining sexuality.

April 30, 2013 at 11:14 p.m.
alprova said...

Maximus wrote: "Alprova I feel a twinge of threat in your post."

Why would I threaten you? I might find you, in fact I will find you, but I wouldn't harm a hair on your head. I'm going to meet you, one way or the other, because your little games went a little too far this time.

"Don't go there. Not only am I a card carrying member of the NRA, I have security."

You've got me quaking in my little pink bunny slippers. A man who plays games like you do needs to have security.

"No, owning several successful businesses is a full time job but I am the boss."

I will know in short order what you own and what you don't, and I'll bet it won't cost me five grand to find it out either.

"I jump on the TFP several times a day for local news and stir the pot at Clay's doodle when I feel like it but RESEARCH come on man!"

I'm all about research and you're next on my list of subjects to research.

You like to get personal. So be it. You're a bravest man I know behind a computer monitor. I'm going to give you the opportunity to call me a pedophile six inches from my face.

That Sir, is no threat. That is a promise.

April 30, 2013 at 11:27 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

Congressional Republicans severely cut funding for embassy security prior to the attacks, and so the ranks at many locations were thinned, some radically. So there's that.


Charlene Lamb, Deputy Assistant Secretary in the Bureau of Diplomatic Security for the State Department testified before Congress that budget considerations played no part in considering additional security.

So there’s that.

April 30, 2013 at 11:34 p.m.
alprova said...

Jt6gR3hM wrote: "So he [Ambassador Chris Stevens] was responsible for his own death and was complicit in the deaths of the others due to his security incompetence."

He was warned to keep a low profile. He didn't. It has been suggested that he was aware that security was not up to par in the weeks leading up to the attacks.

One of two things happened. Either he had no reason to be concerned or he was indeed careless in disregarding whatever the rumors were that were related to him by the locals.

CNN discovered his diary. In it were words of concern that he had in the weeks before September 11, 2012. If he knew that full security was not in place, why did he come charging in anyway?

I do not blame him for his own death, but he did share some responsibility to attempt to avoid harm.

April 30, 2013 at 11:38 p.m.
MTJohn said...

conservative said...I am delighted that you chose to quote Romans Chapter 2 for it most surely condemns homosexuality.

So what? Scripture is very clear about the distinction between sin, which God hates and sinners, whom God loves. Romans chapter 2 is bracketed by words of promise. If, in your judgement, those words of promise are not for the homosexual, you are also judging that you aren't worthy of the promise, either.

For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew ffirst and also to gthe Greek. For in it hthe righteousness of God is revealed ifrom faith for faith,as it is written, “The righteous shall live by faith.”

But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it—the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction: for fall have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.

April 30, 2013 at 11:47 p.m.
Stewwie said...

[When people make that statement, I don't think they literally mean people were homosexual as babies.]

Yes, they do. Sound crazy? I agree.

[It's a more correct statement than your "homosexuality is entirely a choice" theory.]

False.

[Only 11% of the world is left-handed and that's a nature + nurture situation as well.]

That is nature, not nurture. I could work hard to improve my weak hand, but it wouldn't diminish how good my stronger hand is. This is a bad comparison to the gay/straight issue.

[If heterosexuality was "what is natural" then why do most cells/bacteria/algae/etc. produce asexually? Why does homosexuality occur in about the same instance in the animal kingdom? Riddle me that, Einstein.]

The issue is about man, not other animals or organisms. Obviously, you and I disagree about the formation of man. You believe in atheistic science that teaches that all organisms are literally related to each other. I believe that man is its own kind (not descended from other animals). Thus there are things unique to man such as being able to reason and choose in ways that other animals can't.

[Homosexuality is permanent. Just because someone doesn't have homosexual sex or "converts" out of shame or force, does not mean they are no longer homosexual.]

False. Try telling that to this woman:

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2013/january-february/my-train-wreck-conversion.html

[But, using you logic, heterosexuality isn't permanent either, correct?]

Isn't that what I already said?

[That remains to be seen. However, as I've stated before, homosexuality is arises due to a combination of genetic and outside (nurture) factors. That's the science.]

So you admit that there is no gay gene, yet you are still somehow convinced that nature has a role in this? Unbelievable.

April 30, 2013 at 11:58 p.m.
alprova said...

Jt6gR3hM wrote: "Once the State Department dropped the ball on security there was no helping the Ambassador or his aid that was killed early in the attacks. However several hours passed between that occurrence and the death of the last two security members. There was more than ample time to have saved their lives but they were low level and expendable types so they were abandoned."

Even if it were remotely true that they were simply abandoned, it was not the President or Hillary Clinton who did so. How anyone could believe that is beyond all comprehension.

The Department of Defense, and more specifically, a special unit of the US Marines is in charge of all diplomatic installments. As I stated earlier, every post has one man in charge of security. He is in direct contact with the DOD at all times.

What has been absent from all the chatter about Benghazi, is any reference to who was in charge of security and what role this person played in not securing that open compound.

I have always thought that it was rather stupid for an Ambassador to be anywhere near an open compound with no security walls to begin with on an important date like September 11th.

What was the man thinking? What were any of those diplomatic employees thinking?

"There were several armed response units within a 1 to 2 hour time frame but the excuse was that no one knew what was happening on the ground and they couldn’t send them in under those circumstances."

What is wrong with that? I'll admit readily that I have no idea what transpires in a combat situation, but it seems quite plausible to me that a certain amount of analysis needed to be performed before sending troops into a very volatile situation.

I mean it's not as if there were high definition cameras, covering every possible angle, that could be used to make a spot determination as to what was going on, number one and secondly, and what could be done about it.

"However the State Department was monitoring the situation in real time with people that were on the ground."

Really? and how was that so? By phone? By satellite? How is it during all this chaos that people right there in the midst of all that was occurring "in real time" were able to communicate so clearly what was happening?

"Why are we training and arming these groups if not to send them in harm’s way."

Unlike some people, I don't second-guess the decisions that military leaders make. My assumption, if you want one, is that they are careful not to send in one soldier into battle until they know what it is that they are up against.

It was an unfortunate set of circumstances that led to the deaths of those four Americans. What it was not was a conspiracy, there has been no effort to cover-up a damn thing, and any and all efforts to saddle President Obama with any responsibility for their deaths will continue to fail miserably.

May 1, 2013 at 12:13 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Stewwie,

"Yes, they do. Sound crazy? I agree."

No, they do not, crazy.

"False."

Wrong again. Choice isn't even an option, thus, that statement is more correct than yours considering it actually involves a factor that actually goes in to sexuality.

"That is nature, not nurture."

Wrong again, it's both.

"I could work hard to improve my weak hand, but it wouldn't diminish how good my stronger hand is."

You still wouldn't be left-handed and, if you neglected your dominant hand for long enough, you would lose some coordination.

"This is a bad comparison to the gay/straight issue."

It's perfectly comparable given that both are nature + nurture traits and both have a larger and smaller percentage i.e. heterosexual v. homosexual and right-handedness v. left-handedness.

"The issue is about man, not other animals or organisms."

Humans are animals. We are highly intelligent, hairless apes.

"You believe in atheistic science that teaches that all organisms are literally related to each other"

Science isn't "atheistic". Science has absolutely nothing to say about religion. Science has all the proof and evidence. All organisms are, in fact, related. That's a scientific fact disputed by no one in the scientific community.

"I believe that man is its own kind (not descended from other animals)."

And you're wrong, again. Home sapiens sapiens is descended from a common ancestor with chimpanzees (apes). That is a scientific fact.

"Thus there are things unique to man such as being able to reason and choose in ways that other animals can't."

Some intelligent animals like chimpanzees, gorillas, dolphins and other higher mammals have the ability the reason and show human emotion. Gorillas and chimps have even been taught sign language.

"False. Try telling that to this woman:"

Wrong again. You just don't get it. The things I say are not my opinion. They are facts based on modern science and modern psychology. Pardon me while I laugh at your christianitytoday link.

"Isn't that what I already said?"

So you believe that you could "turn" gay?

"So you admit that there is no gay gene, yet you are still somehow convinced that nature has a role in this? Unbelievable."

I'm truly baffled at your ignorance. A single "gay" gene has not been discovered. However, scientist have linked homosexuality to certain epigenetic markers in the DNA that cause the DNA to be expressed in different ways (think of them as switches) while the fetus is still in the wound along with the role of outside pressures i.e. nurture.

http://www.jstor.org/stable/10.1086/668167

All of the evidence and scientific data says that nature AND nurture play a role in determining sexuality and you're still, somehow, convinced that it doesn't despite ALL of the science proving otherwise? Highly believable considering your egregious ignorance.

May 1, 2013 at 12:17 a.m.
alprova said...

Stewwie wrote: "Alprova, being straight is what is natural, but obviously, it's not necessarily permanent."

You're dodging the question I put on the table. If everyone makes a choice, when did YOU choose to be straight?

Even among heterosexuals, there are variations as to what is pleasing to the eye. Some men are attracted to big boobs. Some like long legs. Others get excited when viewing a woman's posterior. Some like 'em skinny as a rail. Some like 'em fat as a cow. Let's not forget that for some men, it may be the color or the length of a woman's hair that trips their trigger.

Are these all conscience choices that men make, or do they just kinda develop as one becomes sexually aware?

"A man and woman create a child and there is no gay gene."

I seriously doubt that you are a Scientist who is studying what makes some people gay, but there are some rather swift Scientists out there who are attempting to prove that very thing.

"Thus, a child that grows up and chooses same-sex relations doesn't do so because they are wired or born that way. It is a choice of some form."

I've never met one gay person, and I do know several, who was completely thrilled with being gay. All of them, at one time or another, have tried to turn away from their desires. Many have tried several times to deny what they were, some for religious reasons, some because it made their lives difficult.

As a result of some very vivid conversations with them, I am firmly convinced, beyond any shadow of a doubt, that not one of them chose to be gay.

In fact, every one of them wishes that they could choose their way out of being gay, for it would make all of their lives a little easier.

No one expects everyone who is totally straight to understand a thing about being gay. But until you walk in their shoes, and feel what it is that they feel, you have no concept of what it is, how it happens, you cannot begin to understand that it is not a choice at all what it is that is pleasing to their eyes.

May 1, 2013 at 12:43 a.m.
anniebelle said...

Andrew says: Care to celebrate Tim Tebow's heroism for being out of the closet about his Christianity? Maybe when timmy goes to Iran and tries to convert those heathen Muslims, we'll talk about his bravery. You're sad but funny Andrew.

May 1, 2013 at 6:15 a.m.
conservative said...

MTJohn said...

conservative said...I am delighted that you chose to quote Romans Chapter 2 for it most surely condemns homosexuality.

So what? Scripture is very clear about the distinction between sin, which God hates and sinners, whom God loves. Romans chapter 2 is bracketed by words of promise. If, in your judgement, those words of promise are not for the homosexual, you are also judging that you aren't worthy of the promise, either.

=================

MTJohn,

I constantly marvel at your intransigence in refusing to believe the word of God on the sin of homosexuality, it is close to that of alprova.

I do thank you for not even attempting to refute anything I wrote to you yesterday.

I am not sure what you mean by "Scripture is very clear about the distinction between sin, which God hates and sinners, whom God loves" because one cannot separate sin from the sinner. Sin is not an inanimate object like a rock with no awareness of God and his requirements.

All of mankind has sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. God became man and died on the cross for all of mankind's sins. He paid the penalty for our sins, He of course had none of his own. But that does not mean all men automatically receive forgiveness and Salvation. Surely you must know that or do you? Please respond to that question.

Now, throwing out the word "promise" often as you have without clarification leaves much room for interpretation and I believe is deliberate on your part. Salvation is a promise for all but not an unconditional one. You lead me to believe that you believe in some kind of universal Salvation for all.

Please, be specific and clarify.

May 1, 2013 at 7:41 a.m.
MTJohn said...

conservative said...I do thank you for not even attempting to refute anything I wrote to you yesterday.

You are assuming that most of what you wrote yesterday was worth reading. I do not share that assumption and I din't read most of it.

I am not sure what you mean by "Scripture is very clear about the distinction between sin, which God hates and sinners, whom God loves" because one cannot separate sin from the sinner. Sin is not an inanimate object like a rock with no awareness of God and his requirements.

conservative said...I constantly marvel at your intransigence in refusing to believe the word of God on the sin of homosexuality... I am not sure what you mean by "Scripture is very clear about the distinction between sin, which God hates and sinners, whom God loves" because one cannot separate sin from the sinner.

The operative word is GRACE.

You insist on taking that one passage in Romans 2 regarding homosexuality out of context. I read Romans 1 - 3 as a unit. The list of sins in those chapters, although probably not complete, is pretty comprehensive. It is sufficient to condemn everyone - you included. But, the story doesn't end with God's hatred for sins. The list of sins is bookended with two promises - the passages that I posted above. God judges us on the basis of the promises (His love for sinners), not on the basis of our sins.

You keep insisting that God hates homosexuals because God hates homosexuality. If that is the way that you want God to judge the homosexual, that might well be the way that you will also be judged. If God's grace is not sufficient for the homosexual, it probably is not sufficient for you either.

Instead of putting your confidence in your own ability to know the mind of God and, acting on His behalf, to judge others, put your trust in the promise.

May 1, 2013 at 8:47 a.m.

Oh, look. A new graven image to worship. How chic! MVP, as in the latest cause celebre in a wildly successful, decades-long PR campaign. A tragic, tragic deception is afoot.

May 1, 2013 at 9:02 a.m.
conservative said...

alprova,

Regarding your:

"When you pass judgment on anyone for their particular sins, you are as guilty of the same "practice" as those whom you condemn."

Now, I have to confess, I busted out laughing when I read that and I shouldn't have. Your ignorance of Scripture is appalling and shouldn't be laughed at.

I have no authority to pass judgment on anyone, that authority belongs to the Lord Jesus Christ alone. However, it is my duty to point out to unbelievers what God's word says on certain sins, such as the sin of homosexuality. You mistakenly grant me enormous power that I do not have.

Scores of Godly pastors have preach on the sin of homosexuality. You are saying they have committed the sin of homosexuality. You are absurd!

You obviously have a personal issue with homosexuality and are lashing out.

Your statement reveals a gross lack of knowledge about the book of Romans.

The Apostle Paul was primarily addressing the Jew in chapter 2. Many Jews mistakenly believed they had Salvation because of birthright and the law given to their nation. They hated the Gentile and were judgmental toward them. Beginning in chapter 2, Paul was telling them that Salvation was apart from a system of law and works and that the Jew needed Salvation by faith alone just like the Gentile.

Continuing in chapter 3, verse 9, Paul sums up the Jews plight:

"What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;"

Calling out and pointing out sin is NOT practicing sin, alprova, you greatly err!

May 1, 2013 at 9:11 a.m.
conservative said...

MTJohn,

Regarding your:

"You are assuming that most of what you wrote yesterday was worth reading. I do not share that assumption and I din't read most of it."

Why the contempt and the disrespect? What did you read and why do you differ?

Your:

"God judges us on the basis of the promises (His love for sinners), not on the basis of our sins."

What in the world is that? That my friend is pure gibberish. Again you will not clarify what you mean by those promises or even what those promises are. Would you pat a practicing homosexual on the back and tell him ""God judges us on the basis of the promises (His love for sinners), not on the basis of our sins.?"

Would this be an example and extent of your love for your fellow man, a sinner in need of Salvation?

Your:

"You keep insisting that God hates homosexuals because God hates homosexuality."

Not one word of that is true, that is a patently false accusation by you and you well know it. I defy you to back that false accusation up and paste my words proving your false accusation. I had thought you might be a cut above alprova.

Your:

"If that is the way that you want God to judge the homosexual, that might well be the way that you will also be judged."

Well, your "if" is not true and your false belief of what I "want" is not true either. God's standard of judgment is set and proclaimed in Scripture and any "want" by me, you or any other will not change that.

Your idea of a changeable God on his the standards of His judgment is a gross error or your part.

to be cont.

May 1, 2013 at 10:30 a.m.
conservative said...

MTJohn,

Regarding your:

"If God's grace is not sufficient for the homosexual, it probably is not sufficient for you either."

God's grace is sufficient for the homosexual but is not a cheap grace wherein a person is granted license to continue in a lifestyle of sin. This would obviously render the work of the cross useless and void:

"What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?"

"God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?" Romans 6:1-2

The rhetorical question has the meaning that we can't continue to "practice" a lifestyle of sin.

Your theology is woefully wrong!

You need to at least read carefully the 6th chapter of Romans, you have a serious misunderstanding of grace.

I will skip down to verses 14-16

14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Do you see the incompatibility of a Christian having a lifestyle of sin? It cannot be done! Please read over and over again until you understand the whole chapter, also the book of Romans but at least for now those last words - " whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?"

" whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?"

" whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?"

" whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Now, Scripture tells us and warns us about those who are NOT under grace and their final judgment:

9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. 1 Corinthians 6:9-11

May 1, 2013 at 11:21 a.m.
conservative said...

MTJohn.

Regarding your:

"Instead of putting your confidence in your own ability to know the mind of God and, acting on His behalf, to judge others, put your trust in the promise."

Now that is a judgment by you and a bad one at that. Don't you see your hypocrisy? Worse still YOU are the one who insists on defending homosexuality against the plainly written word of God! God's word is the mind of God. He gave it to us so that we may know the mind of God!

"God's word is the mind of God. He gave it to us so that we may know the mind of God!"

"God's word is the mind of God. He gave it to us so that we may know the mind of God!"

"God's word is the mind of God. He gave it to us so that we may know the mind of God!"

God's word, God's mind, God's will on the matter of homosexuality and it's consequences is plain but you refuse to accept it? Why is that?

You also said - "put your trust in the promise."

I have, the promise for the practicing homosexual is that he/she will not inherit the kingdom of God. Want you accept that promise? You can not practice homosexuality and inherit the kingdom of God MTJohn.

Again:

9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. 1 Corinthians 6:9-10

May 1, 2013 at 1:10 p.m.
conservative said...

MTJohn,

Surely sometime in your life you knew someone who became a Christian. You saw a change in that person didn't you? He may have been heavily into alcohol. When he became a Christian he quit drinking because God changed his life. You may have heard him say I use to drink and do such and such but God took those sins from me. Or you may have said that of him to another or at the least you saw a change that backed up his profession of faith as a Christian.

Now, why is that you defenders and practitioners of homosexuality can not see that there must be a change in their behavior as well?

May 1, 2013 at 1:47 p.m.
conservative said...

MTJohn said...

conservative said...EVERY practicing homosexual will spend eternity in hell...

Conservative - even if your rigid and unloving interpretation of Scripture, it is not your place to judge.

Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things. We know that the judgment of God rightly falls on those who practice such things. Do you suppose, O man—you who judge those who practice such things and yet do them yourself—that you will escape the judgment of God? Or do you presume on the riches of his kindness and forbearance and patience, not knowing that God's kindness is meant to lead you to repentance? But because of your hard and impenitent heart you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath when God's righteous judgment will be revealed.

==================

MTJohn,

Now why didn't you post the Scripture that supported my comment? Isn't it obvious you really know thr truth?

conservative said...

EVERY practicing homosexual will spend eternity in hell:

Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God 1Corinthians 6:9-10NAS

Can you think of a better reason to not be a homosexual?

April 30, 2013 at 9:02 a.m.

May 1, 2013 at 3:11 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Surely sometime in your life you knew someone who became a Christian. You saw a change in that person didn't you? He may have been heavily into alcohol. When he became a Christian he quit drinking because God changed his life. You may have heard him say I use to drink and do such and such but God took those sins from me. Or you may have said that of him to another or at the least you saw a change that backed up his profession of faith as a Christian.

Most people I saw "become christian" just became paranoid, arrogant or annoying. I have met some "good Christians" but they didn't talk about it much. Just lived it. Loving and accepting of everyone. So unlike conservative here. The very best person I ever met who personified Christ was Mormon. Curious.

May 1, 2013 at 7:25 p.m.
alprova said...

conservative wrote: "alprova, Now, I have to confess, I busted out laughing when I read that and I shouldn't have. Your ignorance of Scripture is appalling and shouldn't be laughed at."

Hey...I didn't write it. The Apostle Paul wrote it. You can laugh at it all you want, to your own detriment.

"I have no authority to pass judgment on anyone, that authority belongs to the Lord Jesus Christ alone. However, it is my duty to point out to unbelievers what God's word says on certain sins, such as the sin of homosexuality. You mistakenly grant me enormous power that I do not have."

It is your duty, eh? Who granted you that authority to condemn people to Hell?

I knew you would disregard what is written. I'm hardly surprised. It's your problem.

Any practicing homosexual, as you coin it, is just as free as you are to read the Bible and to act according to what they read. You are NOT granted authority by God or anyone else, to point out a damn thing.

You are JUDGING, plain and simple. And according to that particular scripture, you will be judged by God to be guilty of the same sin as you condemn others for.

Now that's what the scripture states as clear as a bell. Heed it...don't heed it. It's your soul you're going to have to defend.

"Scores of Godly pastors have preach on the sin of homosexuality. You are saying they have committed the sin of homosexuality. You are absurd!"

Well guess what? "Godly Pastors" are sinners too. If they judge and condemn, they will face judgment and condemnation too.

"You obviously have a personal issue with homosexuality and are lashing out."

Jeez Luueeez, you have the audacity to even charge that it is I who has a personal issue with homosexuality, given that every single time the subject comes up, you post the same quotations over and over and over?

"Your statement reveals a gross lack of knowledge about the book of Romans."

But of course. You're the authority on the Bible. What you truly know and understand would fill a thimble.

(snipped)

"Calling out and pointing out sin is NOT practicing sin, alprova, you greatly err!"

Look...I consider you to be batsh!t crazy, and I care not what it is that you believe. You're as Christian as every single one of those idiots that are known as The Westboro Baptist Church.

You make the same arguments. You quote the same stuff and I'm sure you cherry-pick the Bible just like they do.

Your problems are not my problems. Your beliefs are not shared by most Christians. You fashion yourself as some God ordained judge.

You're out there on a limb all by yourself. That's the way it's gonna be when you pass on from this life too, whether you believe it or not.

May 1, 2013 at 8:30 p.m.
conservative said...

alprova,

Mr. Bennett constantly brings it up, I comment on it and back my comments up with Scripture. He is not going to stop and neither will I.

Have you noticed, it is not working? Your efforts to silence me have continually failed and will continue to fail.

You obviously have issues with homosexuality and are greatly troubled by it.

Did you notice, your vulgar remarks did not work?

Did you notice, your statements about ignoring me and never again discussing homosexuality with me were constantly cast aside by you? You have repeatedly broke your own word.

Did you notice, your efforts to provoke me to anger and get down own your level have failed?

Did you notice, your efforts to silence me by telling me to come out of a closet have failed? I will give you a tip on that strategy, it doesn't work with Conservatives, just frail minded Liberals.

Did you notice, your efforts to silence me by playing the homophobic card have failed? I will give you a tip on that strategy, it doesn't work with Conservatives, just frail minded Liberals.

Did you notice, your efforts to silence me by insulting my intelligence have failed? I will give you a tip on that strategy, it doesn't work with Conservatives, just frail minded Liberals. Did you notice, your efforts to silence me with charges of judging have failed? I will give you a tip on that strategy, it doesn't work with Christians, just frail minded Liberals.

Did you notice, your efforts to silence me with charges of stalking, when you address me first, have failed? I will give you a tip on that strategy, it doesn't work with Conservatives, just frail minded Liberals.

Did you notice, your efforts to silence me by lying with Scripture have failed? You see, when you go to those homosexual websites and copy their blasphemous lies trying to justify the unjustifiable they only make you look very foolish. They don't care about you they just need a willing pawn and you are quite willing. I will give you a tip on that strategy, it doesn't work with Christians, just those who are woefully ignorant of God's word, the word that you say doesn't exist and the word that you hold in contempt. Just a sample of YOUR words:

"Thus, the verse you offer up as proof that Jesus never committed sin or deceived anyone, is merely the author's opinion, and nothing more."

"My belief that the Bible is not the word of God in no manner is equal to holding any contempt for it."

"If you believe the Bible to be 100% accurate in all regards, then you by default believe God to be a mass-murderer."

"I do not and never will hold the belief that the Bible is the word of God. You will not shame me into such a belief, no matter how many times you try."

May 2, 2013 at 8:28 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Again, conservative, WHY DO YOU CARE???? You are perfectly free to have your beliefs. Why does it matter that others disagree with you? If you are so sure of yourself, you would not care what others believe.

May 2, 2013 at 8:42 a.m.
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