published Thursday, August 1st, 2013

Obama targeted wrong crowd during his visit and other letter to the editors

Obama targeted wrong crowd during his visit

Couldn’t the president have made his visit to Chattanooga memorable?

Grand memories would have lingered if he had delivered his speech to teenagers and gangs in East Lake, Howard and other areas and given them lofty ideas and goals. He failed to meet Chattanooga’s real needs.

JONQUIL LANIER, Collegedale, Tenn.


Hispanics arrested only for breaking law

I read David Cook’s article about “Fishing while brown.” It appears that Mr. Cook is saying that the Tennessee Wildlife Resources officer is a racist for arresting four Hispanic men for fishing without a license and having no documentation for being in this country. They were breaking the law — they got arrested. How is this racist? Some time ago, my husband and some friends were fishing without a license and were arrested. The spent the night in jail until someone could pay their fines the next morning. My husband and his friends are white. They didn’t think it was racist — they thought they were arrested for breaking the law.

I’m sorry these men were arrested and spent the night in jail. The officer arrested them not because they were brown, but because they broke the law.

Mr. Cook, a license that is “two days expired” is still an expired license. We need to stop looking for racism behind everything. Yes, there are racists in America of every color. But most of us are not racists, and people are arrested for breaking a law, not because of their color.

JOY STURTEVANT, Monteagle, Tenn.


Article on agnostics would be interesting

The article in today’s paper “World of Atheism Diverse,” was intriguing. Atheism is an interesting subject as are many atheists. One thing absolutely defines an atheist — an unshakeable belief that there is no God! No partial beliefs included. It would be nice to see an article on just atheists, and why they hold this belief.

The other people alluded to are not atheists, but are better defined as agnostics —someone that has no absolute belief system. They often say “I’m not sure”. You might say agnostics can’t pin down what they truly believe. They sit on a wobbly fence, not sure which side they are going to fall on, and what they will fall into.

Evangelical Christians call agnostics lost and in need of finding or being found. There is hope for them to be saved from their foundering. Atheists are lost but don’t think so, which makes rescue quite difficult.

All too many folks suddenly believe in God when something calamitous besets them — like having the wings fall off their airplane, sinking under water for the last time or losing someone precious. A much more interesting article would be one that explored the world vision of the agnostics, whether in or out of some church or affinity group.

CHARLES STORY, Spring City, Tenn.


Cook’s column making something of nothing

What a bunch bologna, what a cheap way to shake up the pot.

This country will always be divided as long as there are people like David Cook using race to make news out of an injustice that does not exist.

CHARLES CROUSER, Spring City, Tenn.

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riverman said...

Great letter Jonquil. As I posted a few days ago he should visit the hood where all his supporters are.

August 1, 2013 at 9:56 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Charles Story wrote: "Evangelical Christians call agnostics lost and in need of finding or being found. There is hope for them to be saved from their foundering. Atheists are lost but don’t think so, which makes rescue quite difficult."

The entirety of Christianity is based on the Bible. Without the Bible there would be no Christianity. To believe in the literal truth, divinity, historical, and scientific accuracy of the Bible is required for evangelicals and other Christian fundamentalists.

To refute the Bible, even a tiny bit, is to refute the entirety of it.

Robert G. Ingersoll said it best. "There are many millions of people who believe the Bible to be the inspired word of God . . . They forget its ignorance and savagery, its hatred of liberty, its religious persecution; they remember heaven, but they forget the dungeon of eternal pain. They forget that it imprisons the brain and corrupts the heart. They forget that it is the enemy of intellectual freedom. Liberty is my religion. Liberty of hand and brain—of thought and labor, liberty is a word hated by kings—loathed by popes. It is a word that shatters thrones and altars—that leaves the crowned without subjects, and the outstretched hand of superstition without alms. Liberty is the blossom and fruit of justice—the perfume of mercy. Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."

http://tinyurl.com/fryq

Agnostics and atheists do not need a biblical god. They are not lost; they are not bound for hell as no hell exists. We seek reason, not belief in myths and fairy-tales as literal truth.

Evangelicals choose to live in fear of death and a hereafter. Agnostics and atheists choose to live in the hear-and-now without fear of death. We seek evidence, not faith. We understand that science explains; fundamentalism seeks superstition and magic for explanations.

There is no need of imaginary gods to enjoy life and experience the wonders of the universe and existence.

Don't pity us or try your incantations and voodoo to take us back into the dark ages. Let us lead you to rational and free thought without the need to bow down to imaginary gods and the practitioners of religious ignorance.

Life is too short to live in your fear.

August 1, 2013 at 11:48 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Fringe Element Philosophy Is Impotent

Atheism, Belonging to a Minuscule Group, a samll Minority, Barks Loudly, But, The Jesus Follower End Time Army Moves On

Question

Why would the majority of all humanity of all time believe in a deity...a higher power than themselves?>>Why would the greatest number of these individuals (of the entire world) who believe in a higher power claim to believe The Higher Power Is Jesus Christ of Nazareth?>>Question: Why would any rational, sane, intelligent, common-sense thinking human being ever give up the fact of their LIFE CHANGING CONVERSION EXPERIENCE to a Fringe-element, super minority, Miniscule Group of Angry Rebels?<<<

Be it far from any but the Fringe Element that We would ever risk the certainty of Eternal Hell, Fire and Brimstone, and, the Forfeiture of Eternal Heavenly Joy, Goodness and Peace in Heaven with Jesus Christ, Our Blessed Saviour, just because an atheist says, "there is no God. " The Holy Bible has something to say about someone saying "There is no God"!

You Decide!!!\

Ken ORR

August 1, 2013 at 9:30 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

The CIA's World Factbook gives the world population as 7,021,836,029 (July 2012 est.) and the distribution of religions as Christian 31.59% , Muslim 23.2%, Hindu 15.0%, Buddhist 7.1%, Sikh 0.35%, Jewish 0.22%, Baha'i 0.11%, other religions 10.95%, non-religious 9.66%, atheists 2.01%. (2010 est.).[1]

http://www.pewforum.org/global-religious-landscape-exec.aspx

Cite: wikipedia.org

NOTE: Atheist-2.01%...I don't think so!!!

Number of World Atheists: 2.01%...FACT!

August 1, 2013 at 9:35 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Orr wrote; "NOTE: Atheist-2.01%...I don't think so!!!"

That's your problem Orr. You don't think.

The majority once believed the world was flat, that witches flew on brooms, that disease was caused by demons, that black people had tails, that Jews had horns, that germs didn't exist, that the sun rotated around the earth, the stars were fixed in a dome, that man would never reach the moon, that Adam and Eve were the first humans, that the earth was 6,000 years old, that Zeus gave birth to Athena, serpents talked, and Popes were infallible.

The majority was wrong.

Here's what you would have rational people believe. As someone else said in summing up Christian beliefs: God said, "I'm going to create man and woman with original sin. Then I'm going to impregnate a woman with myself as her child, so that I can be born. Once alive, I will kill myself as a sacrifice to myself. To save you from the sin I originally condemned you to. Ta-dah!!!"

That's your god. That's what you believe. That's why, when people read all the Bible, not just the Sunday morning bits, it all falls into place that the Bible, Jehovah and all that supernatural stuff is BS.

That's why neither you, the Bible, nor your Jehovah are to be believed. It's simply Looney Tunes.

That's All Folks!

http://tinyurl.com/lsy7fuq

August 1, 2013 at 10:10 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

The CIA's World Factbook gives the world population as 7,021,836,029 (July 2012 est.) and the distribution of religions as Christian 31.59% , Muslim 23.2%, Hindu 15.0%, Buddhist 7.1%, Sikh 0.35%, Jewish 0.22%, Baha'i 0.11%, other religions 10.95%, non-religious 9.66%, atheists 2.01%. (2010 est.).[1]

http://www.pewforum.org/global-religious-landscape-exec.aspx

Cite: wikipedia.org

NOTE: Atheist-2.01%...I don't think so!!! (Meaning, as an example: If one hundred people in the congregation affirm they witnessed a miracle healing, and, only two of these one hundred people stated it did not happen, then, with whom do You think I would align myself? (Believe).)

Number of World Atheists: 2.01%...FACT!

August 2, 2013 at 5:41 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

So what miracles have you witnessed and have evidence of? Not anecdotal (because we know that religious zealots don't make good witnesses; just read the Bible for that kind of bs).

And why doesn't god heal amputees? It's easy enough to claim god healed a headache, acid indigestion, and removed demons from the delusional and actors. But let's see god heal an amputee, on stage, live on TV.

Or does god have a hatred of amputees? Maybe god can separate Siamese twins, raise a decaying dead person, catch an airplane in his giant mitt before it crashes. Surely god can do these things, can't he?

Why doesn't god show once and for all he's the Big Ike, Master of His Domain, the Kingfisher, the Big Kahuna? Instead of slaughtering innocent people with his wars, floods, famines, disease, and pestilence, what if Jehovah did something good for all to see instead of his invisible tricks for religious cliques big dog and little pony show?

The world is waiting, waiting, and waiting. And still nothing.

August 2, 2013 at 6:03 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Questions:

Does the proverbial tree that falls in the woods without anyone hearing it, make a sound?

What if only 100 people out of 7 billion plus people on earth heard the tree fall? Should the other 6 billion plus people say that it did not happen since they didn't hear it?

Should every Christian and Non-Believer on earth now 'deny' that an amputee did indeed re-grow a limb through faith in Jesus Christ because an atheist says they (atheist) didn't witness the miracle? (Another way of asking this question: When an amputee regrows a limb through faith in Jesus Christ should all humanity now 'not' believe it, simply because an atheist said it did not happen because he/she (atheist) did not see it happen?

Does The Lord God of Host have to allow an atheist to see any/all miracle(s) He performs? Or, if not, then God does not exist? "I don't know it might be a law!" Or...Something.

Ken ORR

August 3, 2013 at 7:54 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Orr, I'm surpised you didn't break your neck with the mental gymnastics it took to arrive at your last post.

Evidence is evidence. You have none. But if you have a video of god growing a limb, be sure and tell me I can watch it.

Maybe it's on that documentary where Bigfoot and Nessie take a spaceship ride with the Tooth Fairy and Thor and they pick up Jesus (He's got free tickets) to watch Tim Tebow play football and John Calvin selling hotdogs in the stands.

Is it on that tape?

August 3, 2013 at 2:45 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

daytonsdarwin

Will You, for just one single solitary moment, presume that i desire for You and All Your Loved Ones to be absolutely, abundantly Blessed?

Because i do!

Now, do You truly desire for me to risk losing Heaven to gain, and entering a certain eternal tormenting hell? This because You think that Jesus Christ does not exist. Shall i risk losing out for eternity because of what You believe?

I'm in the Ark of Safety. Do You want me to step out because You think that i may not actually be in That Ark of Safety...Jesus?

Breathing Freely,

Ken ORR

August 3, 2013 at 3:29 p.m.
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