published Thursday, August 15th, 2013

Crosses worth price if they save souls and other letters to the editors

Crosses worth price if they save souls

I have been reading the letters for the past several days and am amazed at the subjects which have been discussed by the many writers of said letters. I can't help but wonder what Jesus would say, and or do in the many instances that have made history here recently.

I just simply would like to ask one question of those who have been so critical of the crosses which have just been put up by the Crossings Church near Interstate 75.

That question would be: Is the $700,000 too much to spend if those crosses were to win just one soul? Would Jesus think that was to much to spend or would he spend $7 million and maybe more for the one soul that avoids eternity in Hell?

God Bless the souls that are bless by these crosses.

JIM GANOE


Newspaper's liberal leanings too much

Although the Chattanooga Times Free Press stated that Drew Johnson was fired because he changed the headline of his editorial, we are persuaded that he was fired because he criticized Obama once too often.

My parents witnessed Hitler's propaganda machine systematically destroying free speech. Fast forward to present time America and the persistent violation of the First Amendment. People are silenced on Benghazi, while the perpetrators are running free. I read Karl Marx and saw the economic devastation caused by this philosophy in the Third World and in Europe. Does anyone understand that Obama's agenda is a socialist agenda bent on destroying our freedom?

Having subscribed to the Chattanooga Times Free Press for many years and noted with distress its move from conservative to liberal left, we decided to take a stand and cancel our subscription.

JOSEPH & ELIZABETH KING, Signal Mountain


Firing raises concerns among paper's readers

I, as were many of my friends,associates and colleagues, was very disturbed when I read in your paper about the termination of Drew Johnson. Although it is certainly your right, it appeared to be done without forethought. Your share holder's surely found it difficult to understand such action taken that would likely disturb conservative business owners and advertisers. The news of Mr. Johnson's termination is a detriment to Chattanooga and the surrounding area. We feel in terminating this man you have become a part of the "problem" rather than the resolution to move forward with a fair and balanced approach Americans of both parties may appreciate, just as we have for the past two centuries. This action serves to increase concerns of what America is undergoing. Mr. Johnson's headline selection stated an evident truth. Truth isn't as valuable as it once was to media and elected officials. Newspapers are losing subscribers to social media. We're witnessing an implosion due to anti-American politicians and radical Islamist.

PAUL A. TIPTON, Dalton, Ga.


Protesting scripture shows confusion

Some often protest whenever someone quotes Bible scriptures. As a matter of fact, some are not scared of such scriptures as Revelation 22:18-19. They want to change the scriptures to please themselves. Even through Hebrews 13:8 says Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever. Could it be some who protest Bible quotes are apprehensive about Christianity, but they do not want to admit it? Might they perhaps seeking to find out what the cross of Jesus is all about?

JENNIFER BRADFORD

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anniebelle said...

Maybe people who don't believe a word of that fantasy book of yours are confused by the contradictions offered up by those who profess to be Christian. It's cafeteria style believing -- I'll take this chapter, but not that one, but I'll go along with this verse when it suits my needs, but I'll disregard what Jesus says about the poor, the needy, etc. If you really read the entire bible cover to cover (with an open mind), you'll see the utter and preposterous claims and contradictions. But no, it's not up to me for you to be reasonable and use your brain for logic instead of condemning others for not believing in your book of hate, anger, temper tantrums, lust, blood, incestuous testimonies, getting even, non-thought provoking craziness. As long as there are all these hate-filled 'religions' on this earth who despise each other above all else, there will never be peace.

August 15, 2013 at 6:09 a.m.
librul said...

Joe and Elizabeth King:

You must have slept through the Bush years. Talk about free speech being destroyed and war criminals running free! Of course, they are all hiding in their gated enclaves now, afraid to travel because of threats of citizen arrest and being sent to the Hague where they should have gone years ago.

As someone who laments the current sad state of paralysis of the "liberal left" in the face of the craziness that is Corporate Amerika, you should be praising Mr. Obama for continuing and even expanding policies and programs conceived and put in effect by Bush and his devlish minions. Mr. Obama abandoned the left in the early weeks of his first term and became a beggar at the feet of the corporate fascist state that is destroying our country yet you think HE is the problem. Amerika is a dead country walking.

And as for your lamentations about the Free Press "moving to the liberal left." ROTFLMAO!!!!!! You can get your granchildren to translate that for you.

August 15, 2013 at 7:06 a.m.
jesse said...

Those crosses are motivated by the same warped thinking that drives a 70 year old man to buy a corvette!

"MY CROSS IS BIGGER THAN YOUR CROSS"!

$700,000? Insanity running rampant in the world!

August 15, 2013 at 7:12 a.m.
librul said...

Right on, Jesse! Heck, for that they could have bought a top-o-the-line Corvette for ten old farts...and brought more delight to humanity than they will ever know.

August 15, 2013 at 8:35 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

It appears to be Bible Thumping day in the letters section.

"I can't help but wonder what Jesus would say, and or do in the many instances that have made history here recently."

Jesus would say nothing. If he ever lived, he's been dead for nearly 2000 years. Dead men don't talk. Jesus Sanchez down the street talks a lot, but he hasn't seen the supercrosses. Since he was molested by a priest wearing a cross I have an idea what he would say. You wouldn't like it.

"That question would be: Is the $700,000 too much to spend if those crosses were to win just one soul? Would Jesus think that was to much to spend or would he spend $7 million and maybe more for the one soul that avoids eternity in Hell? "

There's no souls to win, Jesus is still dead and isn't thinking, and there's no literal Hell though living next to illiterate Bible Thumpers would be close.

"Even through Hebrews 13:8 says Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever."

Yes he is. He's still dead, but the cult of Jesus lives. Kind of like Jim Jones and Charles Manson.

"Could it be some who protest Bible quotes are apprehensive about Christianity, but they do not want to admit it? "

I am concerned about Christian fundamentalism being taught as science, history, and morality in public schools and used as a chess piece in government. That kind of BS belongs in private homes and churchs, not in public affairs.

"Might they perhaps seeking to find out what the cross of Jesus is all about?"

I know what the cross is about. It was an instrument of punishment and execution. Why not have giant electric chairs, guillotines, and gallows to celebrate the deaths of Sacco and Vanzetti, Sophie Scholl, and Nathan Hale? Much better stories with real people instead of make-believe deities with non-existent super powers.

August 15, 2013 at 9:01 a.m.
klifnotes said...

The name, Sophie Sholl, jumped out at me. Mainly because out of all the reading I'd done on Nazi Germany I can't recall hearing of her. I just did a search on her, and must say THANK YOU! My other curiosity is, why in today's America it's beginning to eerily feel more and more like Nazi Germany?

This is what I was able to find on Sophie Scholl:

At her trial Sophie Scholl explained, “Somebody had to make a start. What we wrote and said is also believed by many others.” Her last words were, “How can we expect righteousness to prevail when there is hardly anyone willing to give himself up individually to a righteous cause? Such a fine sunny day, and I have to go, but what does my death matter, if through us thousands of people are awakened and stirred to action?” She was aged 21. Today hundreds of German schools are called after her and she and her brother have been jointly voted the fourth greatest Germans of all time.

The anniversary of this exceptionally courageous young woman’s execution matters because it shows the human spirit at its finest during Germany’s darkest period.

August 15, 2013 at 10:58 a.m.
Plato said...

JIM GANOE: "I have been reading the letters for the past several days and am amazed at the subjects which have been discussed by the many writers of said letters. I can't help but wonder what Jesus would say, and or do in the many instances that have made history here recently."

I know what Jesus would have said: "Gigantic, expensive metal crosses, why the heck didn't I think of that!"

August 15, 2013 at 11:41 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

I think that deep down, at some gut-level, many Christians know that their faith is based on shaky ground. There is no substance to it because all of Christianity is built upon primitive myths, mistaken as literal history, and lies perpetrated by the early church fathers. Science and a deeper knowledge and understanding of history are slowly but surely dissolving those lies and the blind faith of Christians is getting harder and harder to justify to themselves. They are left with magnifying their outward symbols to such enormous proportions as a way of compensating for what they know they lack within their hearts and minds.

It's rather amusing to see them floundering in such desperation as they try to convince themselves of the merits of their folly in spending such an obscene amount of money on something so useless and tacky as those crosses.

August 15, 2013 at 12:28 p.m.
una61 said...

Marx was wrong on Economics but was spot-on when he said that religion was the "Opiate of the masses".

August 15, 2013 at 8:53 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Now, just look at this! One of the tiniest numbered little fringe elements (Atheists) calling Christians 'stupid'! The Earth's Greatest Numbered Religion IS Christianity. [ I purposely used one of the 'mildest' names they use in their name-calling]
kwo

???????

August 16, 2013 at 10:30 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Orr, of all those xians you site, few of them would fall into your category of true xians. Fortunately most of those xians do not share your bigotry.

You're a perfect example of religious ignorance, but your mind-numbing stupidity always brings a laugh.

August 16, 2013 at 10:41 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

Ken Orr, as far as truth is concerned, it is not determined by a majority status. In fact, historically truth has always germinated in the minds of an infinitesimally small number of thinkers who dared do defy the common thinking of the time. Christianity has become a religion for the dumbed-down masses to take refuge in. It is not required of them to think (in fact, thinking is strongly discouraged), only that they "believe." And the more blind their belief, the more highly they/you are regarded as Christians. If we atheists and other non-believers are often guilty of calling Christians stupid, it's only because you guys seem to take such pleasure in reveling in your stupidity.

One need not have an inordinately high IQ to see that the Bible is not meant to be taken literally, that it is not factually historical, neither the Old nor the New Testament. Anyone of junior high school level who's capable of being objective can see that. It behooves me how adults who are otherwise intelligent and logical in every other facet of their lives simply throw that logic and intelligence out the window when it comes to the Bible and their Christian beliefs, all for the sake of wrapping themselves in their security blankets of "salvation" and the hope of living forever in a fairy tale paradise of perfection.

August 16, 2013 at 11:53 a.m.
hotdiggity said...

JIM GANOE -The debate has been about spending $700,000 on those crosses instead of using the money for charity.

What would Jesus say, or what does the Bible say regarding graven images, prideful behavior, or charity.

Read your Bible and get back to us.

August 16, 2013 at 2:56 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Rickaroo, The numbers in Christianity began small, but did not stay small for very long. This in direct contrast to atheism which keeps getting smaller in comparison to believers in a Higher Power. Then, Christianity has skyrocketed past any of those who believe in a Higher Power, which they do not identify as Jesus/ Christianity.

Also, hotdiggity, on Your issue: The Graven image issue is only dealt with in the Bible as far as 'image worship' goes. Please think of all of the things that were built during Jesus Christ's days on earth. These thousands of things built were sanctioned by Jesus because people were not worshiping them. All of them classified as images. Please, the operative word is...'worship'.

August 17, 2013 at 7:01 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Orr, non-believers are growing in number. That is helped along by those who lie to expand their particular sectarian beliefs or cling to bronze age myths in the light of scientific understanding.

August 17, 2013 at 7:20 a.m.
conservative said...

I often you pray for Ike.

Good morning Ken.

August 17, 2013 at 7:46 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

No you don't.

August 17, 2013 at 7:52 a.m.
conservative said...

Yes I do Ike.

I don't want to see you or anyone else go to hell and I certainly don't want you to influence anyone else to go there either.

My words to you and your perception of me would be much different in a private conversation.

This is a public forum, so I don't want you to influence anyone.

I don't bother with most of the other Atheists simply because they immediately identify/reveal themselves as Atheists and do themselves much harm on their own. They don't need my help.

I only bother with alprova because he claims to be a Christian. He couldn't possibly be so stupid to really believe that. Although he is not a professing Atheist he is a practicing Atheist so full of hate for God and the things of God that he wants to take others to hell with him.

He has realized he can't succeed in his charade any longer so he is just lashing out.

All I have to do now is paste his own words that he has abundantly provided for me in order to discredit his profession.

August 17, 2013 at 9:31 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

It's nice to see Conservative out of his closet this morning enjoying fresh air. If only the poor guy could air out his teeny-tiny fundamentalist brain.

I don't hate god anymore than I hate Bugs Bunny and Harry Potter. They're all imaginary characters.

Neither do I hate you Conservative. I find you very humorous and entertaining. Not since the Dark Ages have there been as many religious loonies as you, Orr, and Lohr gathered in one place (without the attendants in white coats) - The Three Stooges of Christendom.

Please keep up the rants and occasionally wipe the spittle from your keyboard so your fingers don't stick. I pass your posts on to others who also enjoy the insanity of religious wacko fundamentalists.

I thought of you and your fellow stooges when watching this. Isn't it nice to be remembered?

http://tinyurl.com/om2f4b2

August 17, 2013 at 10:12 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

You don't pray for me, conservative, because you like the fact that you have someone to condemn, as a lesson to everyone else. I don't believe in hell; when I die, I'm dead. End of story, end of me. Any "immortality" that I may enjoy will come from those people whose lives I touched, and in my DNA that lives on in my offspring. If there is a hell, and I am wrong, I will be in good company.

August 17, 2013 at 10:26 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

Ken Orr, whether Christianity is growing in numbers or not I couldn't give a hoot. I mean, I do give a hoot, in the sense that it means that so many people are still falling prey to the lies and childish nonsense of Christianity, but it doesn't change anything for me personally and how I believe. I'm pretty sure that most atheists/agnostics would say the same thing. You see, we atheists have a certain faith in our belief, too. But our faith is an evidentiary one, based on reason and common sense, supported by the solid foundations of science and logic, not primitive myth and superstitious nonsense.

You Christians always like to claim that Christianity continues to spread like a wildfire, its flames being fanned and fed by the Holy Spirit or some such gibberish. But I find it extremely amusing that you are so caught up in the numbers and how the expansion of Christianity confirms the rightness of your faith, when your Bible states in no uncertain terms that only a few will enter into Heaven: “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."

So, if Christianity comprises, say, 32% of the world's population, as some statistical polls claim, that's a pretty large number. You think that all of those people are getting past those Pearly Gates, just because they profess to being Christian? Not friggin' likely! So the question is, who among you are the truly holy and righteous ones? Of course, each and every one of you - from the Pope and his pedophile bishops and priests to the members of the Westboro Baptist Church to those who murder abortion doctors to you yourself - thinks that you are truly on the right path and are bound for eternal glory. All I can say is...oops...some of you are screwed. Heh heh.

But I'm sure it's not you, or the con-man, is it? Goodness gracious, you both let us know with each and every post how righteous you are, saved by grace, washed in the blood and all that. God's perfect little soldiers, "marching as to war, with the cross of Jesus, going on before."

August 17, 2013 at 10:37 a.m.
conservative said...

No Ike. There is no company in hell. You are alone and in total darkness and everlasting torment.

August 17, 2013 at 10:54 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

conservative said...

"No Ike. There is no company in hell. You are alone and in total darkness and everlasting torment."

Which is preferable to having Conservative, Orr, and Lohr as hellmates. Now that would be torture.

August 17, 2013 at 11:05 a.m.
conservative said...

Ike,

"If there is a hell, and I am wrong, I will be in good company"

Where did you get the notion that there is something good about hell?

August 17, 2013 at 11:07 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

OMG! The con-man has put the fear into me and made me see the light once and for all. Please, Jeebus, save me from dat mean ol' debull and his dark, hot, and lonely hell. I don't wanna be alone and hot and in da dark. Come into my heart, sweet Jeebus and save me! I believe, I believe, I really, really believe! Is you there now? I feel somethin' there. I hope it's not just gas. Nope, that's not gas, it's definitely the Holy Spirit. I really thinks you's come into my heart. Praise God, I'm saved! I'm gonna be joinin' you and Saint Orr and Lohr on the other side of those Pearly Gates now, con-man. And good Christian folk like Pat Robertson and Kirk Cameron and... Oh wait...I WILL be joinin' you guys there, won't I? Never mind, sweet Jeebus. I changed my mind. I'll take my chances in da dark and alone. Hell sounds better afterall!

August 17, 2013 at 11:23 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

conservative said...

"No Ike. There is no company in hell. You are alone and in total darkness and everlasting torment."

A perfect description of Conservative's own life - how autobiographical!

August 17, 2013 at 11:23 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

"No Ike. There is no company in hell. You are alone and in total darkness and everlasting torment"

...and you know this because....

August 17, 2013 at 11:33 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

lkeithlu said...

"No Ike. There is no company in hell. You are alone and in total darkness and everlasting torment"

"...and you know this because...."

That the phrase the ex-Mrs. Conservative used in the divorce proceedings.

August 17, 2013 at 11:37 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

That the phrase the ex-Mrs. Conservative used in the divorce proceedings.

snort

August 17, 2013 at 11:47 a.m.
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