published Friday, August 23rd, 2013

The land of faith police: On mercy, love and homosexuality

Faith is a wonderful thing. Religion is all too often more divisive than inclusive. And churches can be decisively hypocritical, especially when church leaders decide that "giving ground" on the acceptance of members who are gay — or even just a family member of a person who is gay — is not to be tolerated.

No wonder religion is at the root of most wars. Watching the drama play out this week after Ridgedale Church of Christ told the mother of a gay Collegedale detective that she, the mother, must repent of her sin or leave the church, has shown the pinnacle of hypocrisy.

The mother's sin was merely in loving her daughter and publicly standing beside her as the young woman sought and received Collegedale city benefits for her partner in a same-sex marriage. The family, which had a decades-long and multigenerational relationship with the church, chose to leave.

Where is mercy? Where is love? Where is anything in this church's cruel demand even remotely God-like? Even remotely inviting enough to bring fellowship to believers and would-be believers?

This newspaper's letters to the editor and online comments are constantly sprinkled with Bible verses, thrown willy-nilly from one writer to the other until the issue at hand is completely lost in ping-pong word attacks. What's religious about that? Rather than showing love of God, more often than not they show contempt.

For all of the literal Bible verse thumpers out there who want to point to Leviticus 18:22 as your excuse for not being truly faithful to God's doctrine of love and mercy, consider this "art imitates life" segment from the wonderful television series "West Wing." In it, the character, President Josiah Bartlett, takes on a television Bible show host, Jenna Jacobs, who has called homosexuality an abomination.

Bartlett tells her, bitingly, "I like how you call homosexuality an abomination," and Jacobs replies that she doesn't: the Bible does in Leviticus. The president finishes her sentence: Leviticus 18:22.

"I wanted to ask you a couple of questions while I had you here," Bartlett continues. "I'm interested in selling my youngest daughter into slavery as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. She's a Georgetown sophomore, speaks fluent Italian, always cleared the table when it was her turn. What would a good price for her be?

"While thinking about that, can I ask another?" Bartlett continues. "My Chief of Staff Leo McGarry insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly says he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or is it OK to call the police?"

Then the TV president invokes sports.

"Touching the skin of a dead pig makes one unclean. Leviticus 11:7. If they promise to wear gloves, can the Washington Redskins still play football? Can Notre Dame? Can West Point?"

And finally, two Bartlett questions turn the woman pale.

"Does the whole town really have to be together for me to stone my brother John for planting different crops side by side? Can I burn my mother in a small family gathering for wearing garments made from two different threads?"

Well, now back to reality -- but those are all real Bible verses by the way, from the same Bible that Ridgedale Church of Christ teaches.

Of course, not all churches want to pin scarlet letters on every easy target.

The new Pope Francis, the head of the largest Christian church in the world, reminded us of that recently as he talked with reporters about faith and gay priests: "If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?" the pope replied to a reporter's question.

Exactly. It's not for us to judge. Nor is it up to the pope. It's not up to the Ridgedale Church of Christ either.

One more thing: 1 Corinthians 13:13 -- And now abideth faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.

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ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

I did An Exhaustive, In-Depth University Study Of All Of The World's Great Religions and How They View Homosexuality. Without Exception, They All Forbid Homosexual Behavior and Consider This Lifestyle Choice An Aberration (Disorder In One's Mental State). Also, It Is Indicated Within The World's Great Religions That The Homosexual Lifestyle Is Against The Laws Of Nature. Be Advised That There Are Very Good Reasons For The Nations and Their Respective Religions to View The Homosexual Preference With This Wisdom.

August 23, 2013 at 2:06 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

While CDC estimates that ONLY 4% of men in the United States are Men Having Sex With Men, the rate of new HIV diagnoses among Men Having Sex With Men in the United States is MORE THAN 44 (fourty-four) TIMES that of other men (range: 522 –989 per 100,000 MSM vs. 12 per 100,000 other men). CREDIT: CENTER FOR DISEASE CONTROL [CDC] (CDC.GOV URL) Anyone Can Choose To Leave This Lifestyle Before They Become A Part of These Statistics! (I Speak This With The Love of Christ Jesus).......Ken Orr The federal budget request for fiscal year (FY) 2011 includes a total of $20.4 BILLION DOLLARS for domestic HIV and AIDS, a 4% increase from the FY 2010 funding, which totaled $19.6 BILLION DOLLARS.34 Federal funding for AIDS programs falls into five basic categories: care and treatment, financial and housing assistance, prevention, research, and global spending (most of which goes out through the US PEPFAR program). Of these five budgets, care spending is by far the largest - just over half of the FY 2010 budget was for care and treatment programs. THE MAJORITY of AIDS CARE FUNDING goes out through the federal MEDICARE and MEDICAID PROGRAMS for people who do not have adequate private health insurance. (Innocent American Tax Payers Forced to Pay For Those Who Choose This Lifestyle of Homosexual Behavior). I Do Not Blame Innocent Victims Such As Children and Blood Transfusion Patients. credit: Avert.Org International HIV & AIDS charity.

August 23, 2013 at 2:09 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Men Having Sex With Men Accounted For 61% Of All New HIV Infections In The U.S. In 2009. That Number May Be Much Greater Now. Please Flee This Lifestyle Before It Is Eternally Too Late.

Lesbian Suicide is at least 4 (four) times the rate of heterosexual females. Lesbian 'suicide attempts'=22% (twenty-two) compared to 4% (four) heterosexual.<

It's not just in the U.S.

Jesus Christ is no respecter of countries/continents. Sin is sin.

Among young black women -- nationwide -- AIDS is the leading cause of death. At the end of 2010, an estimated 25% of adults and adolescents aged 13 years or older living with a diagnosis of HIV in the United States were women!!!

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/gender/women/facts/index.html

Lesbians DO NOT know if their partner is unfaithful and having sex on the side with an AIDS INFECTED MAN!

Homosexual means Homosexual...Women! Get Understanding! No Carte Blanche for Lesbians who call themselves scorning Jesus Christ!!!

August 23, 2013 at 2:13 a.m.
conservative said...

"Faith is a wonderful thing"

Only the right kind of faith is a wonderful thing.

If you have faith that you can practice Homosexuality and be a Christian and inherit the kingdom of God then you have been deceived:

Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.1 Corinthians 6:9-10 NAS

August 23, 2013 at 6:37 a.m.
librul said...

Nor blabbermouth religious bigots....

"The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason: The Morning Daylight appears plainer when you put out your Candle." -- Benjamin Franklin, the incompatibility of faith and reason, Poor Richard's Almanack (1758)

August 23, 2013 at 6:44 a.m.
conservative said...

This writer believes ( wrongly) that it is hypocritical for a church to not accept sexual perverts/Homosexuals as members!

What next, child molesters, drunkards, murderers, thieves, drug addicts?

Liberals seem to have no shame in their hypocritical demands.

August 23, 2013 at 7:39 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

conservative said...

"What next, child molesters, drunkards, murderers, thieves, drug addicts?"

How about perverted, nutty, ignorant, religious fundamentalist wankers? Good morning, Conservative. Are you and Orr still discussing homosexual activities? Exploring your sexuality issues again? You boys!

Have you ever had straight sex, or any sex? Have you tried therapy beside self-flagellation?

August 23, 2013 at 8:39 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

In her article Pam Sohn points out the numerous instances of verses in the Old Testament that list other sins besides just homosexuality that are detestable in the eyes of God. I have mentioned several of these myself in past posts and I have seen daytonsdarwin and several others mention them. But I have never once seen a Christian respond as to why they completely ignore those sins, to the point of, if not freely indulging in them personally, as many or most of you do, then at least excusing them and not bothering to bring them to the attention of those who commit those sins - such as eating pork or shellfish or having tattoos or working on the Sabbath or not stoning your kids when they disobey and dishonor you. C'mon, you good Christians. Stop ducking the question! Step up to the plate and enlighten us as to how homosexuality gets such scant mention in the OT and no mention at all from Jesus, yet you make it out to be a sin so heinous that it is deserving of eternal damnation. We're waiting.

August 23, 2013 at 9:37 a.m.
robwoodfin said...

The sin of loving your children. Oh that we all might be found guilty.

August 23, 2013 at 9:59 a.m.
caddy said...

Interesting how so many of these crazy articles start with "Religion is too divisive." Of course division is the essence of religion. "Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword." Matt 10:34

Matthew 10:34-42 (ASV) Mt 10:34 (ASV) Think not that I came to send peace on the earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. 35 For I came to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law: 36 and a man's foes shall be they of his own household. 37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38 And he that doth not take his cross and follow after me, is not worthy of me. 39 He that findeth his life shall lose it; and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it. 40 He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me. 41 He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward: and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward. 42 And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a cup of cold water only, in the name of a disciple, verily I say unto you he shall in no wise lose his reward.

August 23, 2013 at 10:13 a.m.
conservative said...

The mother's sin was merely in loving her daughter and publicly standing beside her..."

Oh really? Now who believes that?

August 23, 2013 at 10:15 a.m.
conservative said...

caddy.

You beat me to it and thanks.

August 23, 2013 at 10:16 a.m.
caddy said...

The problem with this article is that the standard and starting place is man--what he thinks, what he feels.

God would say: I don't care what you think, what you feel. You need to care about what I think, what I say. Period.

There is no Mercy to the man ( or woman ) who deems they need none. For those who continue in the Sin of Homosexuality, God would give many their leave of the freedom of guilt. I contend -- as Scripture contends -- that it is a very bad place to be: When you can excuse yourself of your own sin because you'd rather stand somewhere else.

Good source of information on the subject:

http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/09b/Redeeming_rainbow/

August 23, 2013 at 10:16 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

caddy said...

God would say: I don't care what you think, what you feel. You need to care about what I think, what I say. Period.

That's called borderline personality disorder with psychosis. God's got plenty of that.

I no more care for what your god thinks than I care what Leghorn Foghorn or Porky Pig thinks. Imaginary characters don't think. Your imaginary god isn't real, never existed, and didn't create squat.

It's always funny when religious fundamentalists talk about how bizarre Scientology is as if that whole God and Bible thing makes more sense. It's like two lunatics calling the other one crazy.

August 23, 2013 at 10:38 a.m.
caddy said...

D-to-D

No, it's not. There are universals or there are NO universals. Man is the standard and measure of all things .. or what God says is the standard and measure of all things. If you start with man and truly think morality is man - made, then morality can change.

It does not bother me in the least that you care--or don't care. God nowhere states that all people will believe in Him. God has two hands: one of Mercy, one of Justice. The starting place with God is that ALL men are deserving of Death and Hell.

The fact that he has allowed you to seer your consious is ample proof that Depravity is still in full effect. Men ( all men ) are born depraved, dead in sin, wanting nothing of God. They want their own way. To some He gives no over-arching desire to know Him. While I find that sad, Christian theology fully understand people like you D-to-D.

People like you really have no concept of Depravity. You can't even look at the history of man and honestly say: I think all people are born blank slates are that all people are born good. After all: What does good and evil really mean to a godless man ?

Answer: Nothing.

When bad things happen to Darwinians such as you, when Murder happens, when rapes happens, when you mother is raped and murdered. You have no recourse to say in YOUR universe: That was an evil thing.

All you can say is: Matter acted on matter. One piece of matter got ecactly what he wanted, while the other: Not so much.

Fools: The whole lot of you. And you don't even know how Big a fool you really are....

August 23, 2013 at 10:54 a.m.
caddy said...

Like most atheists: I suspect the ad-homimen attacks will begin. After all: All an agnostic or atheist really have in the way of argument IS AD HOMENIM !

August 23, 2013 at 10:58 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

Caddy, that so-called holy book of yours which states that "God" is saying those things, as some sort of absolute authority, was written by men in the first place. Every word in that book that you claim comes from God on high originated from the writing hand of a man, and then another man and then another and another. Every description of God or declaration that supposedly sprang from him personally came strictly from the imagination of primitive man, period.

You need to study the actual origin of the Bible and open your eyes as to how it came into being. It was during the Dark Ages, when the masses of people could not read or write, that the Bible was strictly in the hands of the Church fathers and they had all the time in the world to interpolate, forge, and insert whatever they wished to suit their purposes. You honestly think that all of them were divinely inspired? You need not do much in-depth studying of that time period to see how corrupt and politically motivated the Church was. It was interested only in its own power and authority.

"Holy lying" was a common practice then, attested to and encouraged by many, such as Eusebius and even Martin Luther, who claimed that it was acceptable to lie for the sake of spreading God's kingdom and assuring the authority of the Church.

The Bible as the inerrant word of God? Hogwash! It is nothing but a book of lies pieced together by self-interested, power-hungry men who were interested only in asserting their continued authority over the masses. And you deaf and dumb blind faith believers today are as clueless as the illiterate masses were back then.

August 23, 2013 at 11:16 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Caddy wrote: "Fools: The whole lot of you. And you don't even know how Big a fool you really are...."

I'm not the one believing in your invisible Sky Daddy, just one of thousands of man-created Sky Daddies and Mommies. I don't believe in talking serpents and donkeys, burning bushes, walking on water, the dead and buried being resurrected, flying holy ghosts, and creation myths as reality.

Where's your proof your god being the one and only? Last I remember the one and only was Groucho. He's certainly funnier than your god.

August 23, 2013 at 11:21 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Please gain a knowledge and understanding of DISPENSATIONS within the time-table of Jesus Christ. There is no way an intelligent conversation regarding Old Testament and New Testament focused admonishments can be applied to human conduct otherwise. For instance: Most Journalists I have ever read do not have even the faintest idea of what Sabbath means! Please, Journalists! Educate Yourselves regarding dispensations. This I do not say to be condescending. I just happen to know, thank God. Breaking The Sabbath of the Old Testament is in no way the same as breaking the Sabbath of the New Testament. They (Old Testament) were in 'school' and had yet to learn of Jesus Christ.

Ken ORR

August 23, 2013 at 12:26 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Sabbath does not mean 'Saturday' and has never meant Saturday and never will mean Saturday. Sabbath means REST. (Its a Hebrew Word...'Shabot'= REST.

Sabbath does not mean 'Seven' (7) and never has meant 7 and never will mean seven. Sabbath means REST.

Sabbath does not mean 'Worship' or 'Praise' and has never meant 'Worship' or 'Praise', and never will mean worship or praise. Sabbath means REST.

There is even a 'Dirty Sabbath' in Leviticus 25:

"And the Lord spake unto Moses in mount Sinai, saying, 2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye come into the land which I give you, then shall the land keep a sabbath unto the Lord. 3 Six years thou shalt sow thy field, and six years thou shalt prune thy vineyard, and gather in the fruit thereof; 4 but in the seventh year shall be a sabbath of rest unto the land, a sabbath for the Lord: thou shalt neither sow thy field, nor prune thy vineyard. ... for it is a year of rest unto the land. 6 And the sabbath of the land shall...and for thy stranger that sojourneth with thee, 7 and for thy cattle, and for the beast that are in thy land..." (A Sabbath for cattle and beasts).

August 23, 2013 at 12:30 p.m.
chet123 said...

I HAVE SAID IT NUMEOUS TIME ON TFP......THESE SO CALL CHRISTIAN DONT CARE ABOUT THE TEACHING OF CHRIST.....

ITS TIME THE DECENT PEOPLE RECONIZE THIS...THESE FOLKS ARE HATERS..HIDING BEHIND THE NEW TESTAMENT CHURCH....

August 23, 2013 at 12:47 p.m.
caddy said...

D-To-D: All I hear is Cabon atoms clanging around MAD that someone believes God is Sovereign. It's quite commical.

... the vision of naturalism that arises from modern "science" is not itself obtained by an experiment or a measurement. It is philosophy.

August 23, 2013 at 12:58 p.m.
caddy said...

Reminds me a story of the "Strong Man":

"The natural man, man just as "human nature" originally and naturally is in this world, is what the N.T. calls a "strong man" ( cf. 1 Cor 1:27 ). Basically, he feels he has the answer to all of life's problems; hence his "strength." Life is simply a matter of applying this answer to the various problems as they arise. And since the answer that all men originally take for granted is never the answer of Christianity, Christianity knows that this false faith we originate with must first fall us before we stand any chance of accepting Christianity's answer. One must first come around to asking a basic question before there can ever be a change in basic answers. But far too often the Church cheapens its answer by making it aggressively available for "strong men" before they are even aware that they need it. This tendency of the church to "answer before it is asked" is what the N.T calls "feeding your pearls to pigs: they will only trample on them, and turn and tear you to pieces ( Matthew 7:6 ).

There is an apocryphal Peanuts cartoon that I have seen on several college campuses in which the 1st panel shows Schroeder holding a sign that says "Christ is the Answer." In the final panel, Snoopy is holding a sign that says, "What is the question?" This rather stupid Schroeder--like lack of tact on the part of the Church is no small problem, because, as Kierkegaard could say, 'A direct attack only strengthens a person in his illusion, and at the same time embitters him.' There is nothing that requires such gentle handling as an illusion, if one wishes to dispel it." Robert Short

August 23, 2013 at 12:58 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

It's safe to add Caddy to the list of "Wankers for the Word Club."

Tell me Caddy, is ignorance, sexual repression, paranoid delusions, hearing voices, spit drooling, speaking in tongues, and illiteracy still a requirement to join your group?

"Wankers for the Word Club " - Nature's way of giving everyone else a belly laugh.

August 23, 2013 at 12:59 p.m.
caddy said...

To "Conservative":

It is true, there is a light of reason, which is imparted to every man by nature, but this light is darkness compared with the saints', as the night is dark to the day, even when the moon is in its full glory. This night-light of reason may save a person from some ditch or pond--great and broad sins--but it will never help him to escape the more secret corruptions, which the saint sees like atoms in the beams of spiritual knowledge. There is such curious work the creature is to do, which cannot be wrought by candle-light of natural knowledge. William Gurnall, p. 47. The Christian in Complete Armor.

August 23, 2013 at 1:01 p.m.
caddy said...

D-to-D: Ad hominem attack. Creative. Powerful. Convincing ! LOL. Like all clanging carbon atoms, he can't figure out why HIS carbon meat computer -- for after all that's all he IS in HIS worldview -- should be better than MY Meat computer, given that we are ALL JUST Clanging meat computers, here for nothing, created by no one, going nowhere but to be snuffed out at death -- and with some succeding generation, itself to be snuffed out by the cold cruel universe.

Lovely view. Hopeful view. Cling to it, D-to-D ! It's all you got my man.

August 23, 2013 at 1:05 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Caddy said : "we are ALL JUST Clanging meat computers."

Is that what you do at your Wankers for the Word Club, clang your meat computers together?

So your homophobic personalities are just a ruse? I've got it now. That explains your club's OCD about men, underwear, and restrooms.

Does Mrs. Caddy know about your meat computer clanging? I've heard that sometimes wives are the last to know.

August 23, 2013 at 1:11 p.m.
caddy said...

Clang. Clang. Clang.

August 23, 2013 at 1:12 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

caddy said...

Clang. Clang. Clang. as he pulled out a cigarette, took a long drag, and smiled at Conservative.

August 23, 2013 at 1:14 p.m.
caddy said...

I have some thoughts on homosexuality, seeing that I have one in my "extending family". I sought to discover a few things.

Some Notes:

As for being tolerant of the homosexual and the homosexual agenda, I would reply: Let's be honest with each other. We both know gays are the ones who reject what is different from themselves. They reject the challenge of the other sex, God's natural order & choose to disorder themselves. Absolutely, they may be born with certain feminine characteristics and it may very well be they fight an uphill battle due to it. I agree with them being born with "tendencies too". Here's the reasoning, however: Homosexuals ask you to accept them for who they are. They say they were born that way. Ok, and what of the person who is born with the tendency to lie and steal--or worse ? Should we "accept them for who they are ? As I state below: the most loving thing we can do is tell them the truth. God calls it a Sin. They should turn from it the same as I should turn from heterosexual lust--which only serves to strengthen my marriage and honors my wife and God above. Thing is: homosexuals are not interested in honoring any one save their urges. Their whole life revolves around a disordered sexual urge. We were meant to be much more than sexual beings--both on this earth and beyond it.

When i hear: I have a committed gay relationship.

The reality: The committed gay relationship is a myth. Research shows that homosexuals with partners don't stop cruising, they just cruise less.

How often do we hear: You're demeaning my dignity.

I respect your dignity as a human being, but when you practice acts you'd be ashamed for heterosexuals to know about, you demean your own dignity. Again: that which God had ordered--homosexuals disorder, then ask that you accept them and be tolerant of that disorder.

The fallacy: There's nothing wrong with gay love.

The reality: Tell me what's loving about sex acts that cause bleeding, choking, disease, and pain. You might start by explaining the meaning of the medical term Gay Bowel Syndrome, or how people get herpes lesions on their tonsils. Working in the medical field, I can give first hand accounts: Disordered and unnatural sex--especially over long periods of time reeks havoc on the body.

August 23, 2013 at 1:14 p.m.
caddy said...

Part 2

Often you will hear: By what right do you tell me whom to love?

I would reply: I'm not telling you whom to love; I'm telling you that there is nothing loving about mutual self-destruction.

How often have we heard the argument: You're demeaning my love for my partner.

I respect friendship wherever I find it, but sex doesn't make every friendship better. It distorts the friendship of two men, just as it distorts the friendship of a father with his daughter.

Gay is just as natural for some people as straight is for other people they say.

The reality: Homosexual union is a kind of narcissism. You are trying to unite with yourself in a mirror.

They will say: You hate people like me.

I would reply: You seem to think that love for you requires not telling you the truth. I think love for you requires telling you the truth.

Militant Gays are quick to say: How dare you oppose hate crimes legislation?

Reality: Murder and beating are already illegal. It's hard to see how murdering for hate is worse than murdering for fun or for greed.

Homosexuals say: I believe in equal treatment for every sexual orientation.

Really ? All 23 + ? I thought you might, but sexual lust for kids, sexual lust for the dead, and sexual lust for animals are sexual orientations too. The North American Man-Boy Love Association has been marching in gay pride parades for years. ( You no doubt know about this too, but probably deny anything wrong with it ). You say there is no progression to this sort of thing. Obviously you are a fool, deaf, dumb & blind if you think so. We would not be having this conversation 40-50 years ago. While there is nothing new under the sun & this sin has been around from the beginning, no one in those societies sought normalization and validation. Why ? While they loved their sin, they knew it was debauchery and society should not & would not normalize it.

How often have we heard the past few years: I can't see why marriage should be restricted to a man and a woman, not two men or two women, other variations?

I would ask: Then where do you stop? How about a man and two women? Or a woman and two men? Or a man and a boy? Godless Fools do not see logical progression.

How often have we heard in the news: It's wrong to discriminate according to sexual orientation in employment.

Logic replies: It all depends on the job. If employment discrimination means not letting sodomy advocates near kids, you bet I'll discriminate. I think people should be left to make these decisions for themselves, don't you? You: Probably not.

August 23, 2013 at 1:15 p.m.
caddy said...

"In the late 1950's and early 1960's, I began to notice a drift of men into perversions, and now women also. The men, for example, found that not only marital sex but also adulteries were no longer capable of exciting them. As a result, they were experimenting with anal sex, homosexuality, child molestation, incest, and like perversions as a means of reviving their flagging sexuality. The drift was appearing in their forties, at an early age. The pleasure in sex was in violating God's law and in defiling another person. The mentality of the Marquis de Sade was becoming democratized, with ugly results. The pleasure was in sin, not in godliness. This is an ancient impulse, and we see it, certainly, in the behavior of the men of Sodom (Gen. 19:1-19). The attitude of all too many is that of Caligula; when confronted with God's law, their angry response is, "Who dares teach me?" After all, who can teach a god, and, since fallen man is his own god, who can qualify to teach him? Given this premise, the modern educational goal is to teach children that they have a right to create their own value systems, and also to refuse to be bound by them."~ RJR

August 23, 2013 at 1:16 p.m.
caddy said...

Working in the Medical field: I've seen first hand the havoc that Homosexual sex reeks on a Body over time. Want to forget the religious aspects ? Fine. Consider the pragmatic aspects.

Fools: The whole lot of you. Fools.

August 23, 2013 at 1:18 p.m.
caddy said...

The writer of the above piece is clueless on every piece of information God would have us to know. Every piece. Depravity does that to men.

I think the harshness of the O.T is lost on most evangelicals. We won't even discuss atheist agnostics. After all: they are only meat computers, clanging carbon units. The lights will go out in their unit soon enough. Good riddance.

As for the O.T Picture of Sin. Believers will get the jest: Day in day out, week after week, month after month, year after year--Bloody sacrifices were made. What PICTURE of Sin do you think the people had ? They understood the costs. Today: So many don't. To think Sin Cost God's Only Son is Mind-Boggling. We sit in our easy chairs and recline in our comforts, try not to think too much about all that harshness. Christ completed His work. Indeed. The cost was Great. Sin is no less sinful than it was in the O.T. We need to get a picture of what it Cost God--and what it costs US when we snuggle up next to it.

Sin is a taker. It gives nothing back. It takes and takes and takes until your life is Ugly and dark and shallow and empty. God help us to see how ugly Sin really is. I hope we NEVER lose sight of all of that ugliness of those daily sacrifices and in the once and for all completed sacrifice.

Thankful for ALL of God's Mercies to the Sinful Sons of Men. I am Chief of Sinners. But I have a Great God who forgives.

August 23, 2013 at 1:43 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

caddy said...

"Working in the Medical field"

Sorry, playing doctor with your cat when you were six doesn't make you a worker in the medical field but you did piss off the cat. Was that your one and only sexual experience? Wow - no wonder you're perverted.

Just when you think it couldn't get any wackier than Orr and Conservative, Caddy comes along with his meat computer.

I'm still laughing at that one. Praise Jebus!

August 23, 2013 at 1:44 p.m.
caddy said...

The Carbon unit goes, "Clang, Clang, Clang" ..makes clanging sounds because somewhere--another Carbon unit won't agree with his clanging ! Smiling Profusely

August 23, 2013 at 1:53 p.m.
caddy said...

Ah the Logic of one meat computer, here for nothing, created by no one, going no where. He gets upset. stomps his carbon feet. Just like a little child.

The real picture however is: a disobedient creature sits in the lap of God and metaphorically slaps him in the face for foisting a worldview upon him that suggest this man--like ALL men--are sinners.

The Jest: People want to be their own god. Do their own thing...when they want to do it...with whom they want to do it..with; and they do not like it when someone tells them. Judgment day IS Coming.

The audacity of it all...

August 23, 2013 at 1:56 p.m.
caddy said...

D-to-D, please interact with the logic of the longer posts 1 & 2. Like I stated, I do not expect an agnostic to grasp ANY religious argument on why homosexuality is wrong. That does not negate that it can still be negated on a purely physical / pragmatic basis.

Interpretation: Just because you can stick your wanker in all sorts of holes doesn't mean you should probably do it. Long term denial of this can be readily discovered in ERs around the country.

Denial is a Bitch.

Then again: Maybe you are already someone's Bitch...and just don't want to be discovered.

August 23, 2013 at 2:05 p.m.
soakya said...

well spoken caddy.

August 23, 2013 at 2:10 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

I can't breathe . . . tightness in chest . . . God is striking me down . . . I see Jesus . . . the Holy Spook is circling . . . No wait, it's those Krystals I had for lunch.

Always Look on the Bright Side of Life — Everybody Whistle!

August 23, 2013 at 2:18 p.m.
caddy said...

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=631125430241267&set=a.122900324397116.15609.110962898924192&type=1

Picture of a Young David Cassidy and the OLD David, booked after Drunk Driving:

"“When 70’s actor/singer David Cassidy was booked recently for drunk driving, I was reminded why I believe in Genesis. Every time I look into the mirror and see the cruel and unstoppable aging process, or hear of someone dying--and remember that every living thing will die, I think of Genesis. Every time I see a glistening drop of sweat on a man’s brow, or see a stubborn weed pushing through the soil, or an animal kills and devours another animal, I think of Genesis. Each painful birth, every shattering earthquake, terrifying tornado, biting bug, dreadful disease, and each and every evil word and deed of man reminds me that God cursed the earth because of sin. Every moment on this earth testifies to the truth of Genesis, that it’s the opening book of God’s Word. Read the Bible and have light. Ignore it, mock it, hate it, and you live in darkness as to your origin, your purpose, and your terrifying eternal destiny if you die in your sins.” Ray Comfort (see EvolutionVsGod.com)"

Agnostics will continue to CLANG until their lights go out. Then, judgment.

August 23, 2013 at 2:50 p.m.
caddy said...

In D-to-D's worldview, however: Evil can't be define OR personified. There is no evil. Carbon just interacts with Carbon and some pieces of carbon don't like what's happening to them. Meh: Who cares. Carbon is Carbon. Some pieces of carbon just emote more than others--like D-to-D, as if his mocking really matters ? Nothing new under the Sun D-to-D. Noah was Mocked too. There will be no mocking on THAT DAY. In Noah's day they were clawing to get in. Apparently God did not intend for Joel Osteen's Best Life now for all but Noah's family.

Life's a Bitch, then you die. Agnostic pieces of Carbon will continue to clang about until their lights go out.

August 23, 2013 at 2:56 p.m.
caddy said...

D-to-D doesn't want to interact with the Pragmatic aspects of homosexuality. Why ? Because he'd rather clang about posting youtubes that he thinks will offend true believers.

It doesn't work that way D-to-D.

Try argumentation other than Ad Hominem, D-to-D. There are countless points in the post on Homosexuality. Address just one of them.

August 23, 2013 at 3 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Caddy a.k.a. Mr Meat computer wrote: "Because he'd rather clang about posting youtubes that he thinks will offend true believers. "

I have no interest in true believers. I want the young, impressionable people of the world to know that not everyone believes in your biblical BS and have a good laugh at your belief in fairy-tales and myths as reality. You foaming-at-the-mouth is just an added benefit.

So far, you received today's Ted Haggard Award for "meat computer." Jebus is beaming with pride!

August 23, 2013 at 3:08 p.m.
GratefulDawg said...

"In her article Pam Sohn points out the numerous instances of verses in the Old Testament that list other sins besides just homosexuality that are detestable in the eyes of God. I have mentioned several of these myself in past posts and I have seen daytonsdarwin and several others mention them. But I have never once seen a Christian respond as to why they completely ignore those sins..." --Rickaroo

I too have noticed the deafening silence from the raving fundamentalist in these forums when other sins from the bible are listed. Their silence speaks volumes. For all of the self-righteous aggrandizement these self-proclaimed speakers for God partake in, their real motivations are plainly evident and those motivations are not spiritual but rather selfish and earthly.

They cherry-pick those verses that support their platform and leave the rest. Then they piously mock those who "defy the word of God" while simultaneously defying and outright ignoring any "words of God" that they find inconvenient to their current lifestyle. Their reward is not some eternal heavenly bliss, but rather the instant gratification that comes with building oneself up by tearing others down. If they truly cared about spreading biblical truths, those other sins contained within would not be so easily dismissed. Hypocrites.

I don't expect that a single solitary word I have typed here today will register with any of the pious among us, but I do hope it at the very least provides some insight into why many of us have no regard for the continued ruminations of the holier-than-thou crowd that populates these forums. They have built a self-serving platform and love to congratulate themselves for hating all the right people. Big deal. A snake-oil salesman with a bible is not a holy man, just a con artist with a prop.

August 23, 2013 at 4:31 p.m.
conservative said...

Now, both this writer and Mr. Cook state that the family chose to leave. They both left out why they chose to leave. This from Kevin Hardy another Free Press writer in his piece:

"Hunt Cooper said his family rejects the notion that being gay is a lifestyle choice. And his wife, along with her brother and sister, believed repentance would be hypocritical. So the decision to leave, devastating as it was, was a simple one."

"There's no sin to repent for," he said. "And she's not going to turn her back on her daughter."

The whole family, especially the Homosexual daughter condoned the sin of Homosexuality contrary to the word of God and Christian doctrine and they are unrepentant about it.

The Church elders were justified in confronting them, they chose not to repent.THEY chose to leave. Kudos to that church.

August 23, 2013 at 4:51 p.m.
jjmez said...

I'm glad my parents stop forcing church on us by the age of 10. When they realized there were more sinners in church than out, and most everyone was fornicating with someone husband or wife. And that was only when they weren't chasing the young fresh female meat around in the church basement. Isn't fornication a sin in the eyes of the Christian bible?

August 23, 2013 at 5:17 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Conservative (also known as Mr. Happy), the expert on all things gay, semi-gay, or suspiciously gay, has spoken.

He will now return to his gay closet, don his gay apparel, and closely study gay reference material.

That's all perfectly normal for Conservative, the gayest guy in town.

If only everyone could be as gay as him.

August 23, 2013 at 5:17 p.m.
conservative said...

The writer used this disrespectful and pejoritive term to describle Christians who point to Scripture in confronting sin:

"Bible verse thumpers"

When that term has been directed toward me, it has always come from an Atheist.

I have NEVER heard Christians call anyone "Bible verse thumpers."

August 23, 2013 at 5:26 p.m.
conservative said...

jjmez,

Seems you were in a "church" that condoned sin.

Are you going to direct the Cooper family to that "church?"

August 23, 2013 at 5:31 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

You misunderstood, Mr.Happy. I didn't call you a Bible verse thumper.

I called you a mouth-breathing, ignorant, bigoted, homophobic wanker whose only sexual experience was humping a dog's leg, fundamentalist creeper.

But I can see how you got Bible-verse thumper out of that with your myopic gay vision.

August 23, 2013 at 5:33 p.m.
caddy said...

Clang, clang, Clang.

Interact with the Points I made. I sense I am in a tugging match with an want to be intellectual who is really the fool. Play the pragmatist. Play the evolutionary scientist. Play something that suggests being a Sodomite is good for society. Just try. Simply scroll up, look at the 2 posts I made where I posted my notes ( 23 & 24 Posts up to be exact ) on the illogic of putting ones wanker in another man's butthole. Address from an evolutionary perspective -- since I KNOW that is all you really can possibly do ( even though you probably won't )--on each point I made JUST HOW this is good for society. Forget Religion. I understand that you can't even began to go there--Spiritually, historically, even intellectually. What you can do oh clanger of carbon is to simply address the points and stop playing the ad hominem fool.

I won't address you again unless you have the Balls to step up and just put in the thinking time on this. I weary of wankers like you: One finger up his a** and the other sucking his thumb. So many out there with Mother issues !

August 23, 2013 at 7:11 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

caddy, you need to understand that adult private sexual behavior is none of your business. Adults engage in a lot of different behaviors that are not related to procreation. Being gay does not hurt others, having sex in private with another person, even of the same gender, does not hurt anyone. Finally in the end, you cannot condemn another person just because you find their behavior unpleasant to you. Until you can show that the actions of another causes harm, MYOB.

No, this is not about religion. The only "legitimate" arguments I have ever encountered against homosexuality are religious. And these arguments don't apply because you are imposing your religion on others.

August 23, 2013 at 7:20 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Caddy aka Meat Computer wrote: One finger up his a** and the other sucking his thumb. So many out there with Mother issues!"

Interestingly enough, that's what your Mother said about you last night. Your Mom says Hi and she's now in favor of abortion. She also said you got confused about your thumb and finger so she was constantly brushing your teeth, and this was just last week!

I've never seen so many religious wankers concerned with butts, fingers, thumbs, and men.

Remember the words of Jebus, "Wheverever two or more are gathered in my name, it's the perfect time for a circle jerk." 1st Fallopians 3:16

Caddy, I know you always obey Jebus.

August 23, 2013 at 7:23 p.m.
caddy said...

I do not give a Rats rear end what you do, Ikeithu, in the privacy of your own bed room to be honest with another adult male, sheep, goat, LLama, etc. You can mate with Cacti for all I care. What I am saying is: One day you will care what you did in the privacy of your own bedroom--when It is contrary to God's law. Now, that's from the "Religious" Perspective"--which I know neither you nor D-to-D care about. Fine.

Speak to the good of the species pragmatically, scientifically on ALL the reason why -- not just this ONE--Orientation, but the 22 others I suggest above.

and here: http://takebackcanada.com/22orientations.html

August 23, 2013 at 7:31 p.m.
caddy said...

Q To make proper use of something that has been designed, we have to know how it works. That means knowing how each feature contributes to the fulfillment of its functions. In the body, the heart is for pumping blood; each valve, nerve, chamber and vessel does its part to move the blood along. Every doctor understands this: no sensible surgeon tries to make the heart pump air instead of blood. The reason is simple: when you thwart a thing’s design, it no longer does what it is supposed to do. It either works badly, stops working, or breaks. Something goes terribly wrong. “These things can be observed, and so become another source of moral knowledge. Because every part of us has meaning, our very bodies have a language of their own; they say things by what we do with them. Bone speaks to bone, organ to organ, skin to skin. A smile means something friendly; you cannot give that meaning to a slap in the face. You can use a kiss to betray, but only because the kiss, in itself, means something else. Conjugal sex means self- giving, making one flesh out of two. By contrast, when a man puts the part of himself which represents new life into the cavity of another man which represents decay and expulsion, at the most basic of all possible levels he is saying ‘Life, be swallowed in death.’ We cannot overwrite such meanings with different ones just because we want to.

“Design is obvious not just in our bodies but across the whole range of human powers and capacities. The function of fear is to warn; of minds, to deliberate and know; of anger, to prepare for the protection of endangered goods. Everything in us has a purpose; everything is for something. A power is well-used when it is used for that purpose and according to that design. Thus the virtue of courage is not being fearless, but fearing rightly: For the right reasons, in the right way, and to the right degree, neither more nor differently. —J. Budziszewski, What We Can’t Not Know, p. 86, 7

August 23, 2013 at 7:33 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

caddy said...

"I do not give a Rats rear end what you do, Ikeithu, in the privacy of your own bed room to be honest with another adult male, sheep, goat, LLama, etc."

Careful Ike. Caddy is speaking from experience.

August 23, 2013 at 7:33 p.m.
caddy said...

Scientist worth their wait in Salt would call you and D-to-D absolute morons. Those who have been hammered by the Media elite and the powers on high will sit back in silence and say nothing. They want to keep their jobs. True pragmatist and scientist Know how things work. They understand design. Design can't be totally ignored. Oh, the Sodomite ignores it daily and there is nothing new under the sun. The Sin -- like every other Sin -- has been around from the beginning. The fact that it has does not bolster its case as being "good for society. Even the debauched Greeks & Romans understood that. They practiced it rampantly, but they did not normalize it.

August 23, 2013 at 7:38 p.m.
caddy said...

Clang Clang Clang. The challenge stands Dumb-to-Dumber. Interact with the points at hand. Be a man. Show us you can actually think on your web feet.

August 23, 2013 at 7:39 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Did I read that someone asked Caddy for some secular reasons that homosexual individuals hurt society? May I please give some help right here?

Ordinarily I Do Not Care To Re-post Comments. Yet, For Those of You Who Have Requested, I Will Once Again Provide Non-Religious Reasons: ARTICLE: Same-sex union not an inalienable right: Response: Just One Secular Reason From The Center For Disease Control {CDC): That Reason: Health Issues, Including The Cost to Innocent Tax Payer Citizens Who Do Not Choose The Homosexual Lifestyle. Men Having Sex With Men Accounts For Approximately Three-Quaters of HIV/AIDS Diagnoses. The Cases of HIV diagnoses among Men Having Sex With Men is more than 44 times that of Heterosexual men. According to one study published by the CDC in 2010, one in five Men Having Sex With Men in the 21 cities surveyed has HIV and almost half are unaware of their status. The federal budget request for fiscal year 2011 included a total of $20.4 billion for domestic HIV and AIDS, a 4% increase from the fiscal year 2010 funding, which totaled $19.6 billion. Of this, 69 percent is for treatment, 13 percent for cash and housing assistance, and 4 percent for prevention. Lifestyle Choice. I Am Commanded by My Lord, God, and, Saviour, Jesus Christ, to Love Homosexual Individuals With The Love of God...And I Do! (For The Record).

While CDC estimates that ONLY 4% of men in the United States are Men Having Sex With Men, the rate of new HIV diagnoses among Men Having Sex With Men in the United States is MORE THAN 44 (fourty-four) TIMES that of other men (range: 522 –989 per 100,000 MSM vs. 12 per 100,000 other men). CREDIT: CENTER FOR DISEASE CONTROL [CDC] (CDC.GOV URL) Anyone Can Choose To Leave This Lifestyle Before They Become A Part of These Statistics! (I Speak This With The Love of Christ Jesus).......Ken Orr The federal budget request for fiscal year (FY) 2011 includes a total of $20.4 BILLION DOLLARS for domestic HIV and AIDS, a 4% increase from the FY 2010 funding, which totaled $19.6 BILLION DOLLARS.34 Federal funding for AIDS programs falls into five basic categories: care and treatment, financial and housing assistance, prevention, research, and global spending (most of which goes out through the US PEPFAR program). Of these five budgets, care spending is by far the largest - just over half of the FY 2010 budget was for care and treatment programs. THE MAJORITY of AIDS CARE FUNDING goes out through the federal MEDICARE and MEDICAID PROGRAMS for people who do not have adequate private health insurance. (Innocent American Tax Payers Forced to Pay For Those Who Choose This Lifestyle of Homosexual Behavior). I Do Not Blame Innocent Victims Such As Children and Blood Transfusion Patients. credit: Avert.Org International HIV & AIDS charity.

Ken Orr

August 23, 2013 at 7:39 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Again, you have not demonstrated how homosexual activity is harmful either to the individual or the society. It comes down to your personal distaste and your religion. To impose either of these on others is positively unAmerican.

Ken Orr, HIV is a sexually transmitted disease. Transmitted in all kinds of genital sexual behavior that is unprotected. Married people can transmit HIV and often do, one or both are unaware of infection. Your HIV argument is against multiple partners and unprotected sex, neither of which are exclusive to homosexual men. Therefore your argument comes back to a) personal distaste and b) religious objection.

August 23, 2013 at 7:39 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Also, also, a-l-s-o.......Men Having Sex With Men Accounted For 61% Of All New HIV Infections In The U.S. In 2009. That Number May Be Much Greater Now. Please Flee This Lifestyle Before It Is Eternally Too Late.

Lesbian Suicide is at least 4 (four) times the rate of heterosexual females. Lesbian 'suicide attempts'=22% (twenty-two) compared to 4% (four) heterosexual.<

It's not just in the U.S.

Jesus Christ is no respecter of countries/continents. Sin is sin.

Among young black women -- nationwide -- AIDS is the leading cause of death. At the end of 2010, an estimated 25% of adults and adolescents aged 13 years or older living with a diagnosis of HIV in the United States were women!!!

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/gender/women/facts/index.html

Lesbians DO NOT know if their partner is unfaithful and having sex on the side with an AIDS INFECTED MAN!

Homosexual means Homosexual...Women! Get Understanding! No Carte Blanche for Lesbians who call themselves scorning Jesus Christ!!!

August 23, 2013 at 7:40 p.m.
caddy said...

I find it telling when agnostics allude to there being a standard which Christianity does not acknowledge even though it is authoritative over Christians anyway, and that Christianity is in rebellion against this standard. I want to ask you and your web - footed friends to ask you for the source of this standard. Who has defined this standard ? You ? Your friends ? Is it published somewhere so I can read it ? You write as though it exists. Where is it ?

August 23, 2013 at 7:43 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Orr has arrived. It seems that two member of the Wankers for the Word Club are active. Where's Conservative to make it a threesome?

Is Caddy still the pivot man?

And Caddy, since you brought up web-footed friends, Daffy can't make the group meeting tonight, but said he's thinking of you.

http://tinyurl.com/laqv54v

August 23, 2013 at 7:46 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Among young black women -- nationwide -- AIDS is the leading cause of death.

Lie: Accidents, assault, heart disease and cancer each kill more black women yearly than HIV.

2010, an estimated 25% of adults and adolescents aged 13 years or older living with a diagnosis of HIV in the United States were women!!!

Which just tells you that 1 out of 4 HIV positive people are women. So?

August 23, 2013 at 7:48 p.m.
caddy said...

lkeithlu, I stated UP above very plainly-- EXACTLY how it is "BAD" for the Body. Working in an ER, you get to see what the repeated torment long-term Gay sex does to the body. Now, if you care to look, the post can be found easily enough. Just scroll up. You can also google this information on your own the simple words on what Long-Term Sodomite sex does to the anal sphincter, should you really care to explore the issues.

I do not expect you or D-to-D to do something so simple. Why ? Neither of you really want to consider the truth--or that you might be wrong. Common sense should tell you what repeated sex not according to design will do. Why ask when you really aren't looking for answers. You are looking for validation in your already tightly held convictions and presuppositions....

August 23, 2013 at 7:49 p.m.
caddy said...

Dumb to Dumber is still clanging but has not met the challenge. Shocking !

Clang Clang Clang

August 23, 2013 at 7:50 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Again: whose business is it? Not all gays are promiscuous, and you have not demonstrated that gay sex, in the absence of other factors, is bad. There are lots of things, both lawful and unlawful at are "bad for the body", Are you ready to condemn and make overeating illegal? Are you ready to show the stats that say that gay sex ALONE is responsible for health risks and not the other risk factors these patients have such as STDs, addictions and poor health?

Common sense tells me that people shouldn't have kids until they demonstrate that they are mentally and financially fit to do so. Am I ready to propose that all parents be licensed before having children?

Finally, if people being gay is not costing you money, robbing your house, destroying your environment, or taking away your rights, butt out. It is pretty clear that gays offend your religious sentiments and you find them icky. Fine. Don't have sex with someone your own gender. Free country. Leave others alone and stay out of their private life.

August 23, 2013 at 7:56 p.m.
caddy said...

Prove that the majority of Gays are not promiscuous. I think that statement a total sham. Totally false. Evidence please. Solid evidence.

August 23, 2013 at 7:59 p.m.
caddy said...

http://takebackcanada.com/22orientations.html

Homosexuality is simply one of 22 orientations. If Sodomy is so good for society, then it stands to reason that others--if not all the "orientations" are good for society.

August 23, 2013 at 8:02 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Sodomy is neither "good" nor "bad" for society caddy. Beer is neither good nor bad. It is a non argument. You have not shown that it is specifically anal sex that is dangerous (which of course says nothing about men having anal sex with women, nor lesbian sex) and it is on you to demonstrate that anal sex ALONE is risky enough to warrant banning it for EVERYONE (not just gay men). Until you can demonstrate that sodomy ITSELF presents a significant risk, you must stay out of people's private lives. If you can demonstrate that sodomy ITSELF poses a significant risk to society, then you can justify regulating it FOR EVERYONE, including married couples. Of course, you must show that it poses more risk than other currently legal activities. Alcohol. Driving without seatbelts. obesity. smoking. Unless you can do this, it stays a private matter. In other words NOT YOUR BUSINESS.

What I don't understand it WHY DO YOU CARE???

August 23, 2013 at 8:11 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

caddy said...

"Homosexuality is simply one of 22 orientations. If Sodomy is so good for society, then it stands to reason that others--if not all the "orientations" are good for society."

Caddy, I've figured out your problem with sex - you've been doing it wrong.

Next time, try it with a person. Leave the ducks, horses, cats, dogs, sheep and llamas alone. Or at least use protection before Caddy has a little lamb.

August 23, 2013 at 8:12 p.m.

No one mentioned it, but just for the record, Ms. Sohn’s idiotic sweeping statement “No wonder religion is at the root of most wars” is without the support of any evidence. Though often parroted in pseudo-intellectual culture, it cannot be substantiated historically or with current events. It is simply bigoted slander used against the 99% of the world that doesn’t accept western secular values. Shame on Ms. Sogn for her religious bigotry.

August 24, 2013 at 8:13 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Greed is at the root of most wars. Religion is one of the more common excuses.

August 24, 2013 at 8:24 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

http://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/newsroom/docs/CDC_NBHAAD-FINAL%20508%20Comp.pdf

file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Owner/Desktop/AIDS%20Leading%20Cause%20of%20Death%20for%20Women.bmp

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/gender/women/facts/index.html

In 2010, HIV was among the top 10 leading causes of death for black/African American women aged 15 to 64 Of the total number of new HIV infections among women in the United States in 2010, 64% occurred in blacks/African Americans,

http://www.careresource.org/hivaids/statistics/

Women:

Nationwide, African American women account for the majority of new AIDS cases among women (64%). AIDS is growing among women. In 2008, 30.5% of AIDS cases in Miami-Dade were among women. In Broward County, women account for 35.6% of AIDS cases. 72% of AIDS cases among women in Miami-Dade are among African-Americans.

HIV/AIDS is the leading cause of death for black females between the ages 25 – 44 and the 3rd leading cause of death for black males ages 25 – 44.

http://www.siecus.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=Feature.showFeature&featureID=1877

The District of Columbia has an HIV/AIDS rate of three percent. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), any rate above one percent is considered a “severe epidemic.”[iii] Nationwide, HIV/AIDS infection is the leading cause of death among black women ages 25–34.

http://www.avert.org/women-hiv-aids.htm

At the end of 2011 it was estimated that out of the 34 million adults worldwide living with HIV and AIDS, half are women.2 The HIV/AIDS epidemic has had a unique impact on women, which has been exacerbated by their role within society and their biological vulnerability to HIV infection. Every minute one young woman becomes infected with HIV, with some countries reporting that more than 10 percent of young women aged 15-24 are living with HIV.3 4 In the USA, African American and Hispanic women account for 80 percent of AIDS cases, even though they represent less than one fourth of all women.

August 24, 2013 at 8:57 a.m.
Hunter_Bluff said...

I have seen no mention of why the many directives of the Old Testament aren't given equal weight i.e. eating shellfish, keeping the Sabbath, etc. Hating homosexuality appears to be getting priority.

August 24, 2013 at 9:08 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

One of the top 10 leading causes of death, not THE leading cause of death. Look at the stats; you'll see percentage wise HIV is way below EACH of the other causes. As far as a disease, HIV/AIDS is now considered chronic is wealthier nations. Other diseases are far more prevalent in the third world, and bigger killers. Your preoccupation with STDs, HIV in particular, is disturbing.

August 24, 2013 at 9:10 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Heterosexual activitiy accounts for 100% of wacko religious fundamentalists.

When will the scourge of heterosexuals be stopped?

August 24, 2013 at 9:12 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

Orr and caddy have established themselves as certifiable kooks. Anybody with a hang-up as serious as theirs on homosexuality and sodomy has some serious psychological issues. It's pathetic how they think themselves to be so righteous that they qualify for pointing out the sins of others, and they obviously obsess so much about the particular sin of homosexuality that their minds are incapable of entertaining thoughts or ideas on a grander and nobler scale. Sad, pathetic, twisted little men. Their self righteousness and their obsessive focus on the one particular "sin" of homosexuality make them much more perverse than any so-called perversions they think they perceive in others.

August 24, 2013 at 9:37 a.m.
Skeptic101 said...

Please don't confuse Bible worshipers with Christians. They are two distinct groups. Church leaders like those at Ridgedale Church of [Bible Worshipers] are who give Christians a bad name. I measure everything in the Bible by the yardstick of the four Gospels (latest translations). Conflicts there too? Of course; they were written by men. But it's clear what Jesus expects of his followers. See for yourself.

August 24, 2013 at 10:03 a.m.
hotdiggity said...

I guess none of our pious christian posters here are even going to attempt to address the other "sins" pointed out in the article and by other posters. Maybe because they are guilty of those "sins"?

Please tell us why you should judge others while disobeying your deities commands including...

-"Judge not, that ye be not judged."

-"Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye."

Oh, that's right, you christians only selectively follow the commands of your deity.

Helloooo. Can you say hypocrisy?

August 24, 2013 at 10:20 a.m.
saving1atatime said...

Wow, 90 some comments! Lots of heat here. I have a suggestion for all. Check out the originations of the Old Testament, takes a little effort, but if you have the interest and took the time to post here then you may find your investigations enlightening. Now check out the originations of the New Testament circa 322AD, requires much less time. After you really understand from whence these two books arrive us, then take a step back and see where you are.

August 25, 2013 at 2:06 p.m.
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