published Friday, August 30th, 2013

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about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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PlainTruth said...

Seems to me that both parties are asking the same questions.

August 30, 2013 at 12:28 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

ibshame said...

It is Bush's fault to a great degree. Neo-cons and Bush sheeple don't get to slither their way out of the mess they created when they decided to invade Iraq. A country that had zilch to do with the attack on 9/11 but left over 4000 U.S. soldiers to come home in body bags and maimed thousands of others for life. Not to mention the hundreds of thousands of civilians that were killed and maimed in Iraq due to the treachery of Bush and his neo-con scumbags.

Syria “had zilch to do with the attack on 9/11” so how does Obama have anymore justification to attack them than Bush had to attack Iraq. ... WMD’s? .... Really? .... Humanitarian mission due to the country’s leaders gassing their citizens? ... Really?

If President Obama didn't do anything with regards to Syria, he would be criticized by the neo-cons, teabaggers, and right wing nut jobs and if he does do something he will be criticized, so as the saying goes "he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't."

Poor victimized .. "socialist" .. "fleabagging" .. "left wing nut job" ..“red-lining” .. "scumbag" ... If you can’t stand the heat then get out of the kitchen.

August 30, 2013 at 1:18 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

The current President is taking the time to make a careful and measured decision before ordering our military to take action without all the facts being carefully established FIRST.

No ... A lot of people are going to die so he won’t lose face due to his gigantically incompetent handling of this situation.

August 30, 2013 at 1:22 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

So, by that, I assume that in your mind, the better course of action would have been for the President to have said nothing when the accusations came up months ago to the deployment of chemical weapons by the Government of Syria?

Obama stood by for two years while 100,000 people were being killed in the Syrian civil war and now it’s time to act? Only because he shot his mouth off about some red line that he had not serious thought about to prepare this country and an international coalition to deal with. The man nears some serious adult supervision.

August 30, 2013 at 1:35 a.m.
alprova said...

The buildup of 16 Russian warships into the region and the lack of International support, are going to dictate that the President may well opt to sit this one out, at least for now.

And the reaction is going to be very much like Mr. Bennett has it depicted above. Some are going to find themselves in rare agreement with the President. Some will be more incensed than ever with the President.

Given the resistance by Russia and others, who are poised to disallow any action against Syria to move forward, whatever decisions are made, they will definitely have consequences.

If the President is not extremely careful, this could very well end up becoming a Déjà vu of the 61 year old Cuban Missile Crisis.

As much as it bothers me that women and children have died as a result of intentional targeting, the United States does not need to become entrenched in another standoff with Russia and quite possibly, China as well.

No matter what the President does, he certainly stands to please more people if he stands down and eats a little crow.

He's being used as a pawn and is being coerced into rushing in by many on the right, and being tugged by an equal force back to the left by many on both sides of the aisle.

If he consults Congress, as he is being urged to do, I tend to doubt that he would get approval by a majority for military action in Syria.

August 30, 2013 at 1:44 a.m.
alprova said...

JT wrote: "No ... A lot of people are going to die so he won’t lose face due to his gigantically incompetent handling of this situation."

But of course. Everything that happens in the world is his fault.

How the hell you can pin this one on him is beyond all comprehension.

But I'm sure you will lay out your case, nonetheless.

August 30, 2013 at 1:46 a.m.
alprova said...

JT wrote: "Obama stood by for two years while 100,000 people were being killed in the Syrian civil war and now it’s time to act? Only because he shot his mouth off about some red line that he had not serious thought about to prepare this country and an international coalition to deal with."

Touché!! You've got that armchair quarterbacking routine down to an art.

Ordinarily, amassing an International coalition to deal with any nation that would dare use chemical weapons against their citizens would not be much trouble, but there is a fly in the ointment this time.

It's called Russia.

Russia has one naval base in the region. It is on the coast of Syria. Syria has purchased more than $5 billion in arms from Russian enterprises.

Vladamir Putin is still pissed because another one of his buddies, Moammar Gadhafi, was removed from power by a NATO led mission.

The powder keg was lit in that nation all the way back in 1982.

Former President, Hafez al-Assad died in 2000, when his son, Bashar al-Assad assumed the presidency. The Assads are Shiites. The vast majority of Syrians are Sunnis. Governmental positions of power have been repeatedly awarded to Shiites.

Uprisings occurred in 2000 and 2004.

Now you can sit there and blame President Obama all you wish, which I am quite sure you will continue to do, but you do it quite ignorantly.

Building International support to move against the Assad regime is not going to be easy, so long as Vladimir Putin stands in the way.

And contrary to your silly and baseless assessments, the President is not stupid. He knows the implications of engaging with Russia and the problems they have presented from day one of this drama.

Now all you arm chair quarterbacks take a deep breath and try to focus on the fact that it is not your call, nor are your opinions going to sway anyone, least of all the President.

He knows what he is doing.

August 30, 2013 at 2:59 a.m.
joneses said...

There is one sign missing. "Obama is a fool".

August 30, 2013 at 6:03 a.m.
joneses said...

Here is how this will play out. Obama's ego and narcissist ways will not allow him to go to congress because that will show that he acknowledges the existence of congress and force him to abide by the U.S. Constitution. Putin looks at obama as the fool obama is and is not intimidated by obama. Obama has to avoid another war where he will be responsible for more American soldiers deaths. Already of the 3000 plus Soldiers killed in Afghanistan all but 600 have been killed while obama has occupied the White House (Where is Cindy Shehan and the other war protesters. Oh, I forgot, it is okay for obama to have American soldiers killed). Obama has already made himself a bigger fool by letting his intended targets be known according to the liberal Dennis Kucinich. I love it when a liberal calls obama stupid. The only thing left for obama to do is ask Putin and Assad to give him permission fire a few cruise missiles into some obscure place in the Syrian dessert whee nothing will be damaged and no one will be hurt. The liberal media, cnn, abc, cbs, nbc, msnbc, npr and others will propagandize this and try to make obama look less of a pussy than he actually is. The dummycrats and Republicans will argue for a few weeks about obama not going to congress and the liberal media and the dummycrats will start talking about one of their fall back positions like the lie there is a war on women or lay the abortion issue out there. Obama might even find some white guy that defended himself against some murderous black thugs to persecute as being racist to again take attention away from another of his failures. It will all end and obama will continue to lie and make the people that support him continue to look like the fools they are.

August 30, 2013 at 6:20 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

ALPO: The ultimate BHO apologist.

August 30, 2013 at 8:30 a.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said....

Now all you arm chair quarterbacks take a deep breath and try to focus on the fact that it is not your call, nor are your opinions going to sway anyone, least of all the President.

alprova then added as a closing....

He knows what he is doing.

I was in agreement with you until the closing statement. I see no supporting evidence for your conclusion.

August 30, 2013 at 8:37 a.m.
Walden said...

Oh wait! Clay! There's a third option! Obama's an idiot and doesn't have a clue what he's doing.

August 30, 2013 at 8:53 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

The Community Organizer is making Dubya look like the champion coalition builder.

August 30, 2013 at 9:23 a.m.
tbs1015 said...

The President could end world hunger, stop all wars, and cure all the world's problems, and you people would still find a way to complain and moan about him. Don't your mouths (or fingers) get tired? Give it a rest.

August 30, 2013 at 9:24 a.m.
alprova said...

joneses wrote: "Already of the 3000 plus Soldiers killed in Afghanistan all but 600 have been killed while obama has occupied the White House"

How many have been killed? You ignoramus.

As of August 16, 2013, 575 US soldiers were killed since Obama has been in office, and 575 were killed while Bush was President.

3,000? You need a calculator.

http://www.truth-out.org/archive/item/91299:by-us-deaths-as-of-today-afghanistan-is-obamas-war#13778690303491&action=collapse_widget&id=3429864

August 30, 2013 at 9:33 a.m.
alprova said...

jonesie, you stuck your neck out by posing a prediction as to how this will all play out.

Let's see if one plank of your multi-faceted, crap infested, scenario comes to pass.

August 30, 2013 at 9:36 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

tbs1015: Problem is, he's not doing any of that. Matter of fact, he's doing very little. Excepting golf, of course.

August 30, 2013 at 9:38 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said... joneses wrote: "Already of the 3000 plus Soldiers killed in Afghanistan all but 600 have been killed while obama has occupied the White House"

How many have been killed? You ignoramus.

As of August 16, 2013, 575 US soldiers were killed since Obama has been in office, and 575 were killed while Bush was President.

How typical of you to call someone an ignoramus as you post a link to a 3 year old article.

August 30, 2013 at 9:45 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said ...

It seems to me that careful plans have been being drawn up by not only the United States, but the world as well, in response to the probable use of chemical weapons against innocent life in Syria.

It’s beginning to look like the rest of the world is telling Obama to pound sand and some are prepared to see that we fail and suffer considerable harm.

August 30, 2013 at 9:47 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said ...

I would be totally satisfied if we would not involve ourselves in anything having to do with Syria, but I understand why that may not be possible.

You mean it may not be possible to avoid war because Obama s#!& the bed and now more people are going to be required to die so he can cover his @%%?

August 30, 2013 at 9:49 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

I'm betting Pres. BHO is glad Sen. BHO is not still in office. -Ari Fleisher

August 30, 2013 at 9:50 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "We don't have a duty, Godly or otherwise, to get involved in a civil war in another country."

You're just a wee bit too hard hearted for me, my friend. I draw a line in the sand myself when women and children are being targeted for extinction.

Where have you and your “red line” drawing president been for the last two years?

August 30, 2013 at 9:50 a.m.
tbs1015 said...

My point proven PT. The President has done a number of good things in office, which all the nut job, right wingers want to ignore or avoid.

August 30, 2013 at 9:50 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

point proven, tbs? really?

August 30, 2013 at 9:56 a.m.
tbs1015 said...

really

August 30, 2013 at 9:56 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Rickaroo said...

Under Bush's watch - from his ineptness in allowing 9/11 to happen in the first place (or even worse if it was indeed a false flag operation, as many believe)

Truther ... enough said

August 30, 2013 at 9:57 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Rickaroo said...

Without a doubt they will slam him, regardless. Send in bombers or troops? He's a thoughtless, war-mongering chickenhawk!. Show patience and restraint? He's a spineless liberal wuss! The very purpose of their existence is to hate, slam, deride, tar and feather, and send Obama packing, on the next flight to Kenya. He can't even draw a breath or shake hands in a way that is acceptable to them.

Our poor abused and victimized president ... I mean it’s not like he asked for the job ... did he? He falls flat on his face and we should cut him some slack for his incompetence? ... I don’t think so.

August 30, 2013 at 10:02 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Ricky: I knew you were deep into the Kool-Aid. But false flag 911? Come on, man.

August 30, 2013 at 10:09 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

tbs1015 said "The President could end world hunger, stop all wars, and cure all the world's problems, and you people would still find a way to complain and moan about him."

Right you are, tbs. I'll blame the jackwagons that voted him in. twice.

August 30, 2013 at 10:16 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Sec of State Heinz to give statement on Syria at noonish. Will be giving BHO plenty of waffle room. Wait and see.

August 30, 2013 at 10:21 a.m.
alprova said...

JT wrote: "How typical of you to call someone an ignoramus as you post a link to a 3 year old article."

Can't defend myself on that one. I could have sworn that the year was 2013 when I pulled it up.

According to a more updated source, the US soldier count stands today at 2,268, whih is still short of 3,000.

August 30, 2013 at 10:49 a.m.
librul said...

Paul Craig Roberts - August 26th:

"Washington and its British and French puppet governments are poised to yet again reveal their criminality. The image of the West as War Criminal is not a propaganda image created by the West’s enemies, but the portrait that the West has painted of itself.

The UK Independent reports that over this past week-end Obama, Cameron, and Hollande agreed to launch cruise missile attacks against the Syrian government within two weeks despite the lack of any authorization from the UN and despite the absence of any evidence in behalf of Washington’s claim that the Syrian government has used chemical weapons against the Washington-backed “rebels”, largely US supported external forces, seeking to overthrow the Syrian government.

Indeed, one reason for the rush to war is to prevent the UN inspection that Washington knows would disprove its claim and possibly implicate Washington in the false flag attack by the “rebels,” who assembled a large number of children into one area to be chemically murdered with the blame pinned by Washington on the Syrian government.

Another reason for the rush to war is that Cameron, the UK prime minister, wants to get the war going before the British parliament can block him for providing cover for Obama’s war crimes the way that Tony Blair provided cover for George W. Bush, for which Blair was duly rewarded. What does Cameron care about Syrian lives when he can leave office into the waiting arms of a $50 million fortune."

Paul Craig Roberts August 29th:

"The British Parliament has rejected British military intervention in Syria. The US puppet, Cameron, who serves as Prime Minister was forced to admit that he had no evidence that Assad had used chemical weapons, and Parliament said, no evidence, no war.

It is unlikely the French will go along without the British, so this leaves Obama all alone with Israel. If Washington goes ahead with the strike, Obama will be branded with the War Criminal moniker.

The decisive action by Parliament shames the cowardly US Congress."

Gotta love James Galloway's statement:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Han5fgzy4KU

Are English Muffins now to be called "freedom muffins"?

And then there is Gen. Wesley Clark's revelation on the zionist neocon war plans ...

Israel is the dog, Amerika is the tail ... wag, wag.

August 30, 2013 at 11:15 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Paul Craig Roberts speaks some truths. I have always wondered if we were working on a Gulf of Tonkin deal with the gas attacks.

August 30, 2013 at 11:33 a.m.
soakya said...

this is what you get when uninformed, ignorant, lap dog voters elect a man who's greatest accomplishment is being a community organizer for president.

August 30, 2013 at 11:35 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

soakya said...

"this is what you get when uninformed, ignorant, lap dog voters elect a man who's greatest accomplishment is being a community organizer for president."

Particularly following that great war hero, GW Bush, whose military jet fighter skills were evident in Vietnam. GWB's great foreign policies that restored America's standing in the world.

Not to be forgotten is GWB's fiscal policies that lead us into prosperity. His educational success with "No Child Left Behind" and the lower medical insurance costs with his Prescription Plan. GWB kept America out of unnecessary wars.

And with Rick Perry has again proved that Texas elects genius governors.

Fairy-tales and myths aren't only in the Bible.

August 30, 2013 at 11:49 a.m.
soakya said...

yeah dayton point to another failure particularly in his last term to justify even worse leadership. that makes perfect sense.

August 30, 2013 at 11:55 a.m.
librul said...

This is what you get when people base their world view on the propaganda spewed by talk radio millionaires paid by corporocratic billionaires who are stealing the sovereignty of our country out from under our feet and making "democracy" an ephemeral dream. Sending our people's sons and daughters into an illegal war is no more significant to them than moving a pawn on a chessboard which is exactly how they view the presidency - no matter who is sitting in the Oval Office. The shadow government is calling the shots and all of you blabbermouths yakking about Obama, pro or con, are nothing more to them than mongrel dogs fighting over roadkill.

August 30, 2013 at 11:55 a.m.
tbs1015 said...

"uniformed and ignorant voters"...? oh the irony soakya

August 30, 2013 at 12:03 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

tbs, so you're the informed and erudite voter? Hmmm?

August 30, 2013 at 12:11 p.m.
soakya said...

my bad,uninformed, thanks for the spelling lesson tbs

August 30, 2013 at 12:18 p.m.
conservative said...

soakya,

I don't get it, where did you misspell uninformed as uniformed?

And where is the phrase "uniformed and ignorant voters?"

August 30, 2013 at 12:31 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

librul said...

Israel is the dog, Amerika is the tail ... wag, wag.

And they control all the banks and even Hollywood too ... It’s just disgusting ... isn’t it?

August 30, 2013 at 12:49 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

The Syrian government is stealing American essence, therefore must be bombed. Col Ripper was right! Notice the uncanny resemblance between Col. Ripper and Crazy John McCain both pysically and mentally.

Perhaps one of the few things that GW Bush got right was the 2000 primary questioning of McCain's mental stability.

John McCain - proof that severe mental illness is not a barrier to Congress.

August 30, 2013 at 1:01 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

daytonsdarwin said...

Particularly following that great war hero, GW Bush

It’s pitiful when you reach that stage in life where you can’t get around without a “crutch” ... don’t you “feel” that as well? Btw ... good work wedging in your ubiquitous and favorite subject matter. You “feel” better now don’t you?

August 30, 2013 at 1:03 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

I always feel good without the need for crutches either religious or military/corporate government.

Whether killed by the government or killed by Jehovah, you're still dead. I'm not dying for either.

Screw 'em both and their precious bodily fluids.

August 30, 2013 at 1:06 p.m.
limric said...

Maybe it’s time somebody explained to you Barack, the American people grasp the con, we know we’re being setup. And guess what, most of us know you’re been played – big time. Instead of * "I shoots de rockets massa! May I gets mah cornbread now”*? How about saying no, Just once.


I wonder, have the Syrians taken possession of Russian S-300 AA missiles yet? From what I’ve read in ‘Aviation Week’ the Russians said they would/are supplying them to Assad. They have a range of 125 +- miles; its radars are very sophisticated and can track and strike multiple targets simultaneously. If so, the Syrians could counter standoff strikes, such as cruise missiles or the JSOW launched from the Mediterranean. Ooh, now that would be interesting.

Syrian refugee Um Ahmad: “Isn’t it enough, all the violence and fighting that we already have in the country, now America wants to bomb us, too”?

What more needs to be said?

I’m going to go out on a limb and say that when push comes to shove, we won’t strike Syria.

August 30, 2013 at 1:17 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

daytonsdarwin said...

The Syrian government is stealing American essence, therefore must be bombed. Col Ripper was right! Notice the uncanny resemblance between Col. Ripper and Crazy John McCain both pysically and mentally.

McCain as Col. Ripper and Obama as “Buck” Turgidson. One is insane and the other a bumbling fool. You just can’t tell which one has his arm, up to the elbow, in the other one’s rear while issuing marching orders from the “bible” (see how easy that was?) and all the while drinking a glass of “pure grain alcohol”. It’s a “not to miss” summer blockbuster.

August 30, 2013 at 1:25 p.m.
soakya said...

conservative,

I posted it at 11:35 and I thought tbs was pointing out I misspelled it by quoting it but I guess tbs just misspelled it. I guess I should have checked how I spelled it.

August 30, 2013 at 1:28 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Wow, I was way wrong. Seems we are committed to lobbing missiles. Bad bidness.

August 30, 2013 at 1:28 p.m.
joneses said...

Alpos

Here are the exact casualties in Afghanistan for American and the Coalition Forces. Notice how many have been killed while your Mesiah obama has been in office. Why are you not protesting this or at least pissing and moaning about it? Where is your little b!tch friend Cindy Shehan? 2/3rds of Afghanistan casualties have occurred while obama has occupied the White House. You still will not call obama out on this. That is what a chickensh!t you are. You are nothing but a coward like that fool you worship in the White House.

Year US UK Other Total 2001 12 0 0 12 2002 49 3 18 70 2003 48 0 10 58 2004 52 1 7 60 2005 99 1 31 131 2006 98 39 54 191 2007 117 42 73 232 2008 155 51 89 295 2009 317 108 96 521 2010 499 103 109 711 2011 418 46 102 566 2012 310 44 48 402 2013 94 6 21 121 Total 2268 444 658 3370

Facts do not lie you POS.

August 30, 2013 at 1:34 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Why didn't the Pres give that speech?

August 30, 2013 at 1:38 p.m.
conservative said...

soakya,

So you didn't misspell it but tbs did when he wrote:

""uniformed and ignorant voters"...? oh the irony soakya" as he alluded to uninformed and ignorant.

He also put in quotes a phrase that did not exist.

I see irony here.

August 30, 2013 at 1:41 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

conservative said...

"I see irony here."

Praise Jebus, it's a miracle! Before you could only see homosexuals.

So now you have both an ironydar and gaydar! I told you coming out of your closet might help your Onanistic blindness.

Always Look on the Bright Side of Life! Here's your Friday Fundamentalist Funnies

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uyIt__v_60

Why are most of these jokers ultra-conservative Republicans?

August 30, 2013 at 2:09 p.m.
soakya said...

conservative,

I did originally say it I just didn't misspell it. I just thought he copy and pasted it so I must have spelled it wrong. I see the irony also.

August 30, 2013 at 2:10 p.m.
TheCommander said...

liberal's are legislators. You cannot put one in the position of executive as we did with BHO. This is what you get. Now we have "Long face" Kerry with all of his good "ideeears". Since I can't afford cable, let me know if he gave his speech from his yacht that he earned from his years of public "service"?

August 30, 2013 at 2:13 p.m.
tipper said...

We're looking at the definition of insanity-Doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results. We are dealing with countries and a region that looks at life completely differently than we in the U.S. Killing in the Middle East using religious extremism as an excuse is a way of life there. We have never and still do not understand the culture that often provokes the violence. Several countries in the Middle East--Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Qutar, Turkey, Lebanon, Israel etc.--need to take the lead on the Syrian war. U.S.citizens do not now have the appetite nor do we have the financial wherewithal to enter into another war. "Surgical strike?" Once we start, we are in it. Once again, the U.S. will fan the flames of hatred in the Middle East against us. "We have a moral obligation?" We have moral obligations to many issues within our nation. Do we approach those obligations with the same fervor we seem to be mustering for Syria? No. The atrocities that occurred and continue to occur in Syria are despicable, but as we have learned before in Iraq an Afghanistan, our intervention changes nothing.

August 30, 2013 at 2:17 p.m.
tifosi said...

Republicans: "No" vs. "NO"

August 30, 2013 at 2:19 p.m.
limric said...

To good not to share.

~After several top-level meetings with key cabinet members, including Secretary of State John Kerry, President Obama has decided that sending Miley Cyrus to Syria is the best present course of action. The president himself was so distracted by the pop star’s racy VMA performance that he hasn’t slept a wink since it aired on Sunday.

“After much contemplation and thoughtful consideration, I have decided the only way to get Americans interested in Syria is by sending Miley Cyrus to the country.” said President Obama. Secretary of State John Kerry stated that while he still believes bombing Middle Eastern countries is still the best way to get Americans to learn geography, he can’t help but agree that Miley’s presence in the troubled Middle Eastern country beset by civil war is indeed the best course of action.

”The president and I have spent hours watching cable news the past few days and we feel that the biggest issue facing America at the moment is Miley Cyrus’s choice of underwear,” said Secretary of State Kerry. Adding, ”What better way to draw American interest than sending the pop star there herself.”

President Obama and Secretary of State Kerry are also debating if they should send Robin Thicke attached to Miley’s rear end as well, but it hasn’t been confirmed.

~ Michael Hayne

August 30, 2013 at 2:28 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

daytonsdarwin said...

I always feel good without the need for crutches either religious or military/corporate government.

Odd that you didn’t mention “ideological”.

Whether killed by the government or killed by Jehovah, you're still dead. I'm not dying for either.

Some Famous Liberal Apparatchik: “Now I want you to remember that no bastard ever got ahead in life by dying for his country. You get ahead by letting some other poor bastard die for his country in your place.” - apologies to Patton.

August 30, 2013 at 3:09 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said ...

That's utter B.S. and you know it. The Pentagon is always monitoring world events and stands ready to react to anything that the military will be required to do.

Benghazi?

August 30, 2013 at 3:10 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said ...,

The President is weighing his decisions very carefully, rather than going off half-cocked and ordering a full blown military excursion into another nation, which could result in an expensive, years long venture.

No ... He’s waiting until the MSM diverts our attention, from what he’s about to do, by showing us many pictures of dead babies, their mothers, and old people from every possible angle.

August 30, 2013 at 3:10 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Still not going to die for Jehovah, Jesus, Ra or McCain.

Anyone foolish enough to join a military in empire building, invasions of non-hostile countries, support of Wall Street and retired generals and admirals on corporate boards, foreign civil wars, politicians, and killing of innocents in Jesus' name, deserves what they get. They joined, they serve, they die. For what? It doesn't make them heroes. I wouldn't cross the street to piss on a flaming Congressman's guts, nor leap to plant the flag in Syria, Iraq or Afghanistan, nor rescue some Bible-Thumping missionary who went where he wasn't wanted. Let the cannibals eat them and get indigestion and posthumously give them the Darwin Award.

There's a difference between government and country. You're welcome to die for your government anytime. I've got better things to do.

August 30, 2013 at 3:22 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

So Dayton, what better things have you to do? Asking for a friend.

August 30, 2013 at 3:33 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Laugh at fundamentalists first. Then read Twain for more laughs.

August 30, 2013 at 3:51 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Remember WW2? Remember what it took to finally goad us into action? As massive and wide-scale as Hitler's atrocities had been up to the point of our entry into the war (and Americans were well aware of the extent of them) we chose to simply ignore him and hope for the best. It took the bombing or our own soldiers at Pearl Harbor to finally push us into action. It used to be that we looked for every reason NOT to go to war. Today we look for any and all reasons TO go to war.

August 30, 2013 at 4:16 p.m.
tifosi said...

Jt6gR3hM said... "Benghazi?"

September 11th???

August 30, 2013 at 4:18 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

I fear that it's racist not to support a war BHO wants.

August 30, 2013 at 4:18 p.m.
tifosi said...

Or hypocritical?

August 30, 2013 at 4:19 p.m.
prairie_dog said...

Isn't this how Jimmy Carter got into trouble? And John Kennedy? And Lyndon Johnson?

We need Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson to weigh in on this one before anything else is done.

August 30, 2013 at 6:06 p.m.
tifosi said...

A crystal ball would be better. Hope and pray.

August 30, 2013 at 6:31 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

I'm sick and tired of America claiming the moral high ground and accusing yet another country of committing atrocities, especially when we are the world's #1 atrocity committer! What about those hundred thousand+ innocent Iraqis who've lost their lives as we occupy (and still occupy) their country? What about those 2 million+ Iraqis whom we have made homeless and whose infrastructure we have completely decimated without any mention of helping to rebuild it? What about Abu Ghraib? What about the hundreds of innocent women, men, and children we have blown to smithereens with our repeated drone strikes?

Anybody who enlists in the military today is not just a fool but a damn fool, allowing themselves to be pawns in the political chess game played by the Pentagon, defense contractors, politicians, and others who comprise the MIC. War for profit is what it's all about and if you love this country and want to take it back for us the people you will stop, think for yourself, and refuse to lay down your life for those slimy, greedy, soul-less dogs of war.

August 30, 2013 at 6:40 p.m.
tifosi said...

Proud member of the 2nd Armored Cavalry and all they have stood for. They have fought with incredible bravery in Iraq, Fallujah and now in Afghanistan. The oldest active unit in the U.S. Army. Godspeed and Toujours Pret!!!

Infantry may be the queen of the battlefield, but the cavalry keeps that bitch from getting raped.

Proud to have protected Rickaroo and his right to safely complain. Sleep soundly tonight Rickaroo. There is a brave soldier up tonight manning a machinegun to insure you do. :)

August 30, 2013 at 6:49 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Here's another value that America has shown the world.

A US Army Major, a Muslim, murders 13 soldiers in America and gets the death penalty.

A US Staff Sgt. murders 16 Afghan civilians over two days, and gets life without parole.

Wonder why the world sees American justice as hypocrisy?

August 30, 2013 at 6:55 p.m.
tifosi said...

No one hates war more than a soldier.

Daytonsdarwin: You share in the responsibility for sending that soldier to Afghanistan. In order to relieve yourself of that responsibility, there is really only one solution.

August 30, 2013 at 7:01 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Who’s the “Cowboy” now?

August 30, 2013 at 7:01 p.m.
tifosi said...

Not you.

August 30, 2013 at 7:04 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

tifosi said...

No one hates war more than a soldier.

Daytonsdarwin: You share in the responsibility for sending that soldier to Afghanistan. In order to relieve yourself of that responsibility, there is really only one solution.

Nope, didn't send him, you or anybody else. No one called to ask me, nor did I cheer them on. Didn't wave a flag, didn't attend a military parade, didn't support the invasions of Iraq or Afghanistan.

Never saw an Iraqi or Afghani marching through St. Elmo. Didn't feel threatened by them either until Bush sent invaders and occupiers over there to kill.

No guilt here. I don't sleep any safer because there's a soldier with a machine gun occupying a foreign country where he doesn't belong. But I still sleep.

In the 1960s it was "Kill a Commie for Christ." Now it's "Kill a Raghead for Exxon, Halliburton, Dow, Lockheed, Neo-cons, and the NSA."

August 30, 2013 at 7:10 p.m.
tifosi said...

They called you when you took advantage of our democracy and entered a voting booth.

"Never saw an Iraqi or Afghani marching through St. Elmo." Ever wonder why???

August 30, 2013 at 7:13 p.m.
alprova said...

joneses wrote: "Alpos, Here are the exact casualties in Afghanistan for American and the Coalition Forces."

Sorry...I don't read numerical code. 2,268 American forces have been killed, which is still far short of 3,000.

"Notice how many have been killed while your Mesiah obama has been in office."

And as you should know, the United States signed a SOFA agreement in 2003 that provides troops in Afghanistan.

"Why are you not protesting this or at least pissing and moaning about it?"

Wouldn't do a lick of good. I've also got more personal issues pressing at the moment, and I've got a business to run.

"Where is your little b!tch friend Cindy Shehan?"

I don't know the woman. Where is your little b!tch wife? Is she as much of a whiner as you are?

She lost a son in Iraq. What have you lost that gives you any reason to call her a b!tch?

"2/3rds of Afghanistan casualties have occurred while obama has occupied the White House.

So? War is hell, and it was not President Obama who started it. As President, he is duty bound to honor the current SOFA agreement that was signed by GWB in 2003.

The U.S.–Afghanistan Strategic Partnership Agreement was signed by both Hamid Karzai and President Obama in 2012, which calls for the withdrawal of troops by the end of 2014, but an agreement of support for ten years following the withdrawal.

"You still will not call obama out on this."

No I won't. It would be highly illegal for him to just pull the troops, as much as he might like to.

"That is what a chickensh!t you are."

Like I give a damn what you think. You're a blooming idiot.

"You are nothing but a coward like that fool you worship in the White House."

You're the one popping veins all over the place. I merely laugh at the things you write anymore.

Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me, nor will they ever hurt the President of the United States of America.

He's where he is at in charge of an entire nation, and you are where you are at, which is nowhere at all.

August 30, 2013 at 7:16 p.m.
tifosi said...

daytonsdarwin: Using your rationale, we should have just let Hitler murder another 6 million Jews.

August 30, 2013 at 7:17 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

I don't let what others think influence my conscience, least of all a so-called democracy.

August 30, 2013 at 7:19 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

I don't let what others think influence my conscience, least of all a so-called democracy who would vote to determine my enemies.

August 30, 2013 at 7:20 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

tifosi said...

Or hypocritical?

I know what you mean ... calling Bush a scumbag war criminal while giving cover to Obama for doing essentially the same thing ... However anyone that would stand near a “declared” terrorist and within the kill radius of a drone delivered bomb deserves what they get ... Don’t you agree?

August 30, 2013 at 7:21 p.m.
tifosi said...

That is the price you pay for living in a democracy. Only one way not to participate.

August 30, 2013 at 7:21 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

tifosi, you can make believe that you and the other soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan are protecting our freedoms but it just shows what a simple minded moron you are. The argument that "we are fighting them over there so that we don't have to fight them over here," as I've heard so many dimwitted Americans say, is pure BS and doesn't even make any sense. As much of a bad ass as Saddam Hussein was, that country would have been much better off with him still in power than what we have turned that country into, one without a stable government or even an infrastructure. Moreover, Hussein actually made the Mideast more stable than what it is now. Our presence in both Iraq and Afghanistan has only created more enemies and future terrorists. You want me to thank you for what?? Just because you were stupid enough to think that you are/were over there "protecting" our freedom? Use your brain for something other than a helmet holder.

August 30, 2013 at 7:23 p.m.
tifosi said...

Jt6gR3hM: I have never said anything derogatory of President Bush. I understand the responsibility of participating in a democracy. I also respect our President. He/She represents the American people.

August 30, 2013 at 7:24 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

“Barack Obama, as you know better than I do, was one of the leading Democratic politicians against the Iraq War. So if he says that this is different, that the evidence is there, that no one's disputing that chemicals were used, and that they have the evidence linking it to the Assad regime, does that persuade you since he has always come at this from a very cautious anti-war perspective?”

  • Andrea Mitchell

So Obama is going to blow some people to bits in Syria but he will do it in a “very cautious and anti-war perspective". It may piss them off (well for a microsecond) but their families will be comforted by the manner it was carried out.

You just can’t make up things that funny.

August 30, 2013 at 7:25 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

tifosi said...

"Never saw an Iraqi or Afghani marching through St. Elmo." "Ever wonder why???"

I suspect they wanted to stay at home and live their lives much like most people in this country. I don't remember Iraqi or Afghani children threatening St. Elmo, bombing Missionary Ridge, or sending drones to shoot civilians in Red Bank. Did I miss that on TV?

August 30, 2013 at 7:26 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

tbs1015 said...

My point proven PT. The President has done a number of good things in office, which all the nut job, right wingers want to ignore or avoid.

I haven’t notice but has he got the trains to run on time?

August 30, 2013 at 7:27 p.m.
tifosi said...

Rickaroo: There is something about looking across a fence and seeing someone whose sole purpose for being there is to kill you and destroy everything you represent. I too used to be a dope smoking, happy-go-lucky, peace loving hippie. Then I saw reality. Enjoy your warm bed tonight.

August 30, 2013 at 7:29 p.m.
tifosi said...

"I suspect they wanted to stay at home and live their lives much like most people in this country." Yeah!!! That is why some of them jumped on a bunch of airplanes on 9/11. Enjoy that doobie tonight.

August 30, 2013 at 7:30 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

tifosi said...

"Rickaroo: There is something about looking across a fence and seeing someone whose sole purpose for being there is to kill you and destroy everything you represent."

I'm sure that what the Iraqis and Afghanis are saying tonight as they look at the occupying forces.

You may find it necessary to believe that "Warrior for America" stuff to make your conscience feel better, but I'm not falling for the patriotism trap.

"Be All that You Can Be" usually means "Believe All the BS We Tell You to Believe."

August 30, 2013 at 7:31 p.m.
tifosi said...

Rickaroo: I guess America was at fault for this.

"Estimates of deaths during that time range from 20,000 to 100,000 for Kurds, and 60,000 to 130,000 for Shi'ites."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Saddam_Hussein's_Iraq

August 30, 2013 at 7:34 p.m.
tifosi said...

Rickaroo: Are you okay with this???

http://www.ekurd.net/mismas/articles/misc2012/12/state6673b.jpg

http://www.ekurd.net/mismas/articles/misc2012/12/state6673c.jpg

Sleep well tonight... without a gas mask. Someone paid the price so you could do so.

Daytonsdarwin: I have seen the real world. Much more than you ever will. Sleep well tonight. Someone paid the price to make sure you can.

August 30, 2013 at 7:37 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

joneses wrote: "Alpos, Here are the exact casualties in Afghanistan for American and the Coalition Forces."

Sorry...I don't read numerical code. 2,268 American forces have been killed, which is still far short of 3,000.

But it’s still funny as he!! that you called him an ignoramus for posting the 3000 total and then you posting a link to a three year old article to prove your point... Classic alprova.

August 30, 2013 at 7:40 p.m.
tifosi said...

Jt6gR3hM: I almost forgot... you think I am a liberal.

August 30, 2013 at 7:43 p.m.
tifosi said...

"I'm sure that what the Iraqis and Afghanis are saying tonight as they look at the occupying forces."

Daytonsdarwin: I guess you support the oppression of women.

http://www.dw.de/life-under-burqa-inspired-struggle-for-democracy/a-16229486

August 30, 2013 at 7:46 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

daytonsdarwin said...

I'm sure that what the Iraqis and Afghanis are saying tonight as they look at the occupying forces.

Did we just place some occupying forces back in Iraq or is DaytonsDarwin having a stroke?

August 30, 2013 at 7:50 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Jt, as impressive as you seem to think that the quote from Jack Nicholson's character in "A Few Good Men" might be, he was shown to be a psycho who had let his own authority and militaristic point of view go to his head. Yes, there was SOME truth to what he said, and there is much that goes on behind the scenes, and especially during war, that the public is not privy to, and some of it is sometimes necessary. But military leaders develop tunnel vision and seldom if ever take in the larger picture that extends beyond the immediate battle field(s).

During the Vietnam war the war-mongers constantly pleaded for the White House to just turn everything over to the commanding officers in 'Nam, claiming that if they did they would win the war handily. But the only way that war was "winnable" was to blow the living hell out of the country, which they practically did anyway, and destroy another few million more innocent people along with it. And in the end, what would we have been left with? Only the smug satisfaction of saying we won? Win or lose, we did not stop the spread of Communism, for it would not have spread beyond Vietnam anyway. All that country wanted was to decide its own government but our fear of "evil" Communism was so overblown, like our fear of terrorism today, that we became the victims of our own fear.

Sorry, but your quote, as eloquent as it was, falls completely flat.

August 30, 2013 at 7:52 p.m.
tifosi said...

I was my mother's last child and my mother was exhausted," Koofi says. "She didn't want another girl to suffer as much as she suffered."

Don't worry Fawzia... Rickaroo will take care of you. Just after this doobie.

August 30, 2013 at 7:54 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

tifosi said...

Jt6gR3hM: I almost forgot... you think I am a liberal.

No ... I thought we settled this several days ago ... You're a bad a$$ macho man moderate that studies all of the facts of a certain issue before stating your position as you listen to classical music ... Right?

August 30, 2013 at 7:57 p.m.
tifosi said...

Absolutely!!! Wanna arm wrestle?

Actually, I am a blues man.

August 30, 2013 at 7:58 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Did we just place some occupying forces back in Iraq or is DaytonsDarwin having a stroke?

No stroke, just wrong about Iraq. I was under the impression that there were still " an advising American military presence" there.

I accept my blunder and will say ten "Hail Bushes" as my penitence.

August 30, 2013 at 7:58 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

Perhaps we have a Godly DUTY to try and preserve the lives of innocent people who are being systematically exterminated.

In case you haven’t noticed our country is not supposed to perform Godly duties.

August 30, 2013 at 8 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

DD ain't right

August 30, 2013 at 8:02 p.m.
tifosi said...

For once PT, we agree.

August 30, 2013 at 8:03 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

tifosi....enjoy your delusions. Get goose bumps from Lee Greenwood singing "God Bless the USA" and salute your flag and believe all that crap about making us safe, but you, sir, are a complete fool. I sometimes feel sorry for those who don't know any better, lacking the intelligence to see through the BS of our war-mongering government, but you guys who see yourselves as some kind of hero are really disgusting.

August 30, 2013 at 8:07 p.m.
tifosi said...

Not a hero at all. I have just seen more of the world than you. Read more than you. And, understand history better than you. Time for you to do your homework.

Not a fan of Lee Greenwood. B.B. King is more my style.

August 30, 2013 at 8:10 p.m.
tifosi said...

Rickaroo: I guess America was at fault for this. You didn't respond the first time I posted.

"Estimates of deaths during that time range from 20,000 to 100,000 for Kurds, and 60,000 to 130,000 for Shi'ites."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Saddam_Hussein's_Iraq

I guess you support the oppression of women.

http://www.dw.de/life-under-burqa-inspired-struggle-for-democracy/a-16229486

August 30, 2013 at 8:12 p.m.
tifosi said...

I really like Ray Charles too... this is classical!

August 30, 2013 at 8:34 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

DD & Roo have a ton of anger, hate, and distrust. Sad, sorta.

August 30, 2013 at 8:45 p.m.
alprova said...

JT wrote: "But it’s still funny as he!! that you called him an ignoramus for posting the 3000 total and then you posting a link to a three year old article to prove your point... Classic alprova."

Sweetheart, I admit when I goof, unlike yourself.

Make fun all you want. You and I both know you're full of stuff.

joneses is still an ignoramus because he was STILL WRONG. 2,268 does not equal 3,000....on any calculator I have ever used. And I've worn out a bunch of 'em.

August 30, 2013 at 8:52 p.m.
tifosi said...

PT: They have a ton of ignorance. In the same league of extremism as conservative. Just the other end.

August 30, 2013 at 8:52 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Face it. Most everything Barry touches turns to dooky.

August 30, 2013 at 8:59 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

It takes a special kind of idiot to imagine that he is superior to someone whom he doesn't even know. I am not going to play your childish game of who is smarter or more well-traveled than whom. The fact that you say something like that only shows the extent of your immaturity. I have a pretty good knowledge of history and I've traveled a lot. But perhaps you really are smarter than I am in that field and perhaps you really have traveled more than I have. If so, congratulations. That is yet another way that you can pat yourself on the back. You are obviously very good at doing that.

As for the atrocities committed during Hussein's regime, everybody is well aware of them. But Muslims and the people of the Middle East are a tribal peoples who have always been at war with each other. If Saddam had not been in power it would have been some other ruthless dictator who would most likely have carried out the same sort of atrocities. Not one Iraqi asked us to come over there to save them from Saddam Hussein. Not one. And to use those atrocities he committed as an excuse for our presence there is lame indeed. It was not until it became clear that Bush was not going to uncover any WMDs that he started falling back on the reason for going over there was to "liberate" Iraq. Total BS.

As for Afghanistan, I was well aware of the oppression of women in that country long before we engaged in war there. And I thought that it was disgraceful. If we had gone over there strictly for that purpose, I might have been more understanding of our mission there, but again, we went over there under the pretense of capturing bin Laden and routing al-qaeda. That seemed noble enough, given what we knew, or thought we knew, at the time, but our mission there became quickly flawed and jumbled, too.

I don't know what the answer is for the liberation of women from primitive misogynistic customs practiced by ruthless Muslim men, but if you want to fight that war, good luck with that. We must occupy that country indefinitely, attempting to democratize them or change the mindset of people whose very DNA is antithetical to ours. Unless we are completely successful in converting them to our way of thinking, the minute we pull out our troops, they will revert to civil war or the same oppression as before, or probably worse. I'm sure that there is some good that we might do in order to help the oppressed there, but whatever it is it cannot be with an indefinite occupation of military troops on the ground.

August 30, 2013 at 9:12 p.m.
tifosi said...

Yeah. President Obama sure blew that raid on OBL. LMAO.

August 30, 2013 at 9:13 p.m.
tifosi said...

Rickaroo said: " But Muslims and the people of the Middle East are a tribal peoples who have always been at war with each other."

Europe had been at war for centuries too. Until democracy took root. It took decades of occupation too. Japan seems pretty peaceful too.

Sure glad another nation helped us get democracy started. There is always a risk.

August 30, 2013 at 9:15 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Yeah, Tiffy. He said "go", then won several hands of spades. Probably cheated.

August 30, 2013 at 9:22 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

"DD & Roo have a ton of anger, hate, and distrust. Sad, sorta." - PT

"They have a ton of ignorance. In the same league of extremism as conservative. Just the other end." - tifosi

Hmm....kinda hard for me to feel offended by the feeble insults of two pathetic fools.

August 30, 2013 at 9:23 p.m.
tifosi said...

PT: If it had failed, who would you blame?

Past your bedtime Rickaroo. Sweet dreams.

August 30, 2013 at 9:24 p.m.
stanleyyelnats said...

War does not determine who is right - only who is left.

Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.

August 30, 2013 at 9:27 p.m.
tifosi said...

Who was left at the end of the Revolutionary War?

I like pizza!!!

August 30, 2013 at 9:30 p.m.
stanleyyelnats said...

if regressive republicans posting comments had been around in 1774, America would still be a colony of England.....

enjoy!

August 30, 2013 at 9:32 p.m.
tifosi said...

You didn't answer the question. Geez, it's a simple one.

Now I have been labeled a Republican... I'M SO CONFUSED!!!

August 30, 2013 at 9:33 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

It wasn't "occupation" that democratized Europe. It evolved over time through various wars and revolutions in which the monarchy was finally brought to its knees. And America, especially, never occupied Europe, we helped to rebuild it after the war. And that war was not ongoing, it took us 4 years to win. We had a clear mission and a specific enemy, unlike today. We are engaged in a "war on terror" in which we have become afraid of our own shadow and we think that might makes right. What's more, we don't even have a true democracy in this country, yet we have the cajones to think that we can "spread it" to others.

August 30, 2013 at 9:37 p.m.
tifosi said...

I spent two years occupying Germany. Can you see Bamberg on the "occupation" map?

"The Allied powers who defeated Nazi Germany in World War II divided the country west of the Oder–Neisse line into four occupation zones for administrative purposes. This was formally approved at the Potsdam Conference (17 July to 2 August 1945)"

August 30, 2013 at 9:41 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

PlainTruth said...

"DD & Roo have a ton of anger, hate, and distrust. Sad, sorta."

I have no anger, no hate but much distrust of all governments, militaries, and fundamentalist religions.

I'm not sad. The absurdities of life greatly amuse me. I'm sure I laugh as much or more than anyone here.

I have no blood on my hands, never killed innocent people, didn't beat the patriotic war drums nor waved the flag as a Christian soldier.

The absolute thing I do know is that America in a century or less will be just another fallen nation, done in by greed, empire grasping, a mercenary military, and religious fundamentalism. We won't last as long as the Romans, Greeks, Persians, Chinese, and the other empires that have come and gone.

In the meantime, I'll continue to laugh and enjoy myself as long as I can. In 50 years all of you will be dead, rotting corpses, just like me. Then other players will get their chance, then they'll die.

Walk through a cemetery sometimes. I always chuckle when I see a tombstone that reads, "Gone, but not forgotten." Most untrue words ever written to mark a grave.

The government has no claim to me; no nation, no religion, can command my thoughts. I live by my own conscience, don't seek power over others nor a desire to command others. I have food to eat, clothes to wear, shelter overhead, and books to read, and a nice bathroom to sh1t, shave, and shower.

I'd rather laugh at the world and myself than cry with all the sob sisters of religion and the blind blue-sky patriots who insist that my allegiance must be to some State or God.

Human nature hasn't changed since mankind began. There's always been tyrants, patriots, zealots, plebeians and patricians. Gods and governments have come and gone and will continue to do so.

I'm just along for the ride until death. So are you.

Now it's time for a lemonade, late supper, some Beethoven, read more Twain (The Innocents Abroad), and a soothing sleep between freshly washed and pressed cool sheets. Tonight, my life is good.

August 30, 2013 at 9:41 p.m.
tifosi said...

"The absolute thing I do know is that America in a century or less will be just another fallen nation..."

Did Walmart sell you that crystal ball??? You been supporting evil capitalism?

August 30, 2013 at 9:46 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

"I'M SO CONFUSED!!!" -- tifosi

That's obvious.

Good night. I have wasted way too much time with you flag waving, God-bless-America dullards, dimwits, and nincompoops on this forum today. I will leave you to high-five each other and pat yourselves on your asses in typical manly fashion. Time for me to breathe the fresh air of reason. I don't smoke doobies, as you imagine, tifosi, but even marijuana smoke would be preferable to the fetid air of your ignorance and obnoxious self-importance. Don't forget to stand at attention and say the pledge of allegiance before you go to bed, and then kiss your General Patton poster and wish him a good night, too.

August 30, 2013 at 10:01 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Roo, I can just visualize you waving a foam finger at Tiffy.

August 30, 2013 at 10:15 p.m.
fairmon said...

Obama says weighing 'limited and narrow' action against Syria

See above headline in today's TFP. Why is the critical unanswered question? Limited and narrow action may yield limited and narrow results with none of them good. Or, such action could unleash a lot of pent up hate for America. What obligation do we have? How will America be better served and better off if the president decides to attack Syria? He did let his alligator mouth overload his chickadee ass with his "red line" comment but America should not suffer for that.

August 30, 2013 at 10:16 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

mon, it would be a major mistake.

August 30, 2013 at 10:25 p.m.
AndrewLohr said...

Put a donkey on the guy's shirt and replace "REPUBLICANS" with "LIBERALS" and the cartoon would be about as true. It's not clear to me we improved Libya or Egypt. I think we improved Iraq and Afghanistan a little, but was it worth it? We failed to insist on bills of rights for ordinary people, especially the right of Muslims to become Christians and live in peace. So doing nothing about Egypt now (MAYbe the military will govern sensibly without TOO much blood, as Pinochet did in Chile and Park and others in South Korea, bringing in prosperity and eventually political democracy) and even doing nothing about Syria (bad regime, rebels probably worse overall so bringing them in, at least without human rights, makes little sense) is better than a lot our President has done. If he wants to do something about Syria, let him say we'll use Syria for live-fire exercises when we fell like it, but not such parts of the country as are actually practicing the US bill of rights, including the freedom to leave Islam.

August 31, 2013 at 12:39 a.m.
jesse said...

Obama is looking more befuddled every day! At a total loss about what to do! Comes out looking like a twerp no matter what he winds up doing!

August 31, 2013 at 6:08 a.m.
fairmon said...

The British are out, France suggest the U.S. do something but will not participate, no other country seems willing to participate with most saying stay out. Why would the most broke in debt and disliked country in the world risk starting something that would cause the greatest devastation in history? Freedom in the region would not be advanced, lives would not be saved, regime change is not in the plan, the Muslim brotherhood has already played the U.S. twice to gain control. There is no conclusive evidence that Assad initiated the chemical attack. The majority of Americans don't think the U.S. should get involved.

Can anyone site one positive result that will surely come from any form of action by the U.S. military?

Does Obama have the fortitude to swallow some pride, eat crow or whatever stemming from the red line campaign statement he should not have made?

Will he risk the political fall out and criticism from those hawks that seem always willing to involve the U.S. military then criticize the way things are done if the results are not good?

August 31, 2013 at 6:56 a.m.
fairmon said...

Why does this administration and congress persist in saying to the American majority opinion; We know most of you don't agree but we know what is best for you and will do as we choose regardless of what most of you think. It is amazing how many are totally unaware of anything including who some key people are. However, they will agree with or support something based on who said or did it.

August 31, 2013 at 7:05 a.m.
jesse said...

Well fairmon, if he backs down now you know Putin is gonna put the pressure on every where!He's talked himself into a corner W/ no saving options!I don't know whether his arz is chickadee or humminbird BUT i gar on tee you it's puckerd up TIGHT right now!!

August 31, 2013 at 7:11 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Here is a good summary of the situation. It starts with an elementary question, but skip that and read on. It helped me see that strikes will not end the conflict there, and perhaps Syria is doomed the way Lebanon was, and this will take a couple of decades to resolve itself. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/08/29/9-questions-about-syria-you-were-too-embarrassed-to-ask/

August 31, 2013 at 7:55 a.m.
soakya said...

fairmon, they know what's best for us because they think they are smarter than us.

August 31, 2013 at 7:58 a.m.
joneses said...

I wonder if all the democrats in congress that vote to allow obama to bomb a deserted desert in Syria and all the liberals will turn their back on obama and our Naval Sailors for committing such an act. Remember obama, biden, kerry, clinton, pelosi, reid and the rest of the democrats did turn their backs on President Bush and their support for the brave military men and women who served courageously in Iraq and Afghanistan after voting for these actions. These democrats showed what true cowards they are. Remember kerry's words of wisdom? "I voted for the war before I voted against it".

August 31, 2013 at 8:32 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

I see no indication that anyone in Washington "turned their backs" on our fighting forces, joneses.

August 31, 2013 at 8:36 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

fairmon is on the right track. No up-side to bombing.

August 31, 2013 at 9:04 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Lu, 7:55 good link

August 31, 2013 at 9:33 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

BHO still contemplating using HIS military.

August 31, 2013 at 9:49 a.m.
jesse said...

Ike! If you believe no one has turned their backs on the troops i suggest you read "The Outpost" by Jake Tapper!!Might change you mind!!

August 31, 2013 at 11:03 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

I would certainly change my mind about the brass at the Pentagon. Lawmakers don't make the day to day decisions about how the military conducts its movements. Thanks for the suggestion; I'll see if I can get a copy.

August 31, 2013 at 11:24 a.m.
andystaab said...

Every time I check online news or turn on the radio or TV, I''m afraid I'll see live coverage of bombing. I think that'd be a huge mistake. Why is it that the older I get (I'm 53), the more doubtful I am that our government knows what it's doing, regardless of which party occupies the presidency? And I try my best not to be left or right-leaning, because both sides have good points. It is really difficult not to become cynical.

August 31, 2013 at 11:27 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

I think we squabble over social issues like abortion, homosexuality and race, and big corporations control the government, promote war for profit, and screw the middle class by paying them so little we taxpayers have to support them with medicaid and food stamps. We are missing the big picture because someone wants us to miss it. This potential strike (is it or is it not important to apply the Geneva Convention rules, England and France?) is a glimpse of where our problems really lie.

August 31, 2013 at 11:42 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

andystaab wrote: "Why is it that the older I get (I'm 53), the more doubtful I am that our government knows what it's doing, regardless of which party occupies the presidency?"

Andy, in fact the government knows exactly what's it's doing. The military/corporate government needs wars to continue to grow in power and money.

Congress, for the most part, is tied in to that machinery. Look how many are elected to congress and upon leaving are rich, become lobbyists, represent military defense contractors, retired generals and admirals sit on corporate boards, treasury secretaries become directors of financial institutions, and the machine cranks up another "necessary war" to fill their pockets with blood money bought by dead soldiers.

Being cynical and skeptical is just the beginning. Find your own ways to sabotage the system. Stop supporting the government, the military, the corporations that use your sons and daughters as cannon fodder for cash.

The government of the US has a propaganda machine that would be the envy of Joseph Goebbels. They count on your continued belief in their system. They depend on you thinking that "they" are really working on your behalf.

They count on your ignorance.

August 31, 2013 at 11:45 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Everbody ignernt but ol DD

August 31, 2013 at 11:59 a.m.
tifosi said...

Somethin' about the water in Dayton, whether it is daytonsdarwin or June Griffin - that water messes up their brain.

August 31, 2013 at 12:22 p.m.
limric said...

Oh Fine,

US Secretary of State John Ketchup has said that the United States will not wait for UN weapons inspectors to finish their work before deciding whether or not to launch military strikes against Syria. In other words, we’re gonna do whatever the f^*k we want!

Ok secretary horse-head, I’ve got a few other pertinent questions --- that you will undoubtedly answer by gyrating to the Bullsh!t Boogie.

1) Do you know where all the chemical weapons bunkers are? I could swear a short time ago one of your advisers said no. Hmm ok, but it would seem to me that if you don’t know where they are, then you don’t really know for certain if the Assad government, A) controls these weapons, or B) that they even used them? Do you?

2) The president said this was not to erode control of the chemical weapons. I don’t even understand that statement as it is, but saying that; how does a US strike make that more likely and not less?

3) The administration said (that'd be you) that US National Security is threatened by the possibility that the Assad regime will use chemical weapons on allies or US bases – is there any evidence to back up such a claim?

4) Barring a UN resolution, which at first the president said he needed, and now you say you don’t need to go to the UN, or need congressional approval. How is that not a violation of US Constitutional & international law?

And lastly: If, as it appears, the strategy is to launch strikes to send a message of Bad Bashar -Don’t do that again! and chemical weapons are used again – then whattaya gonna do?


Whether you two like it or not, Daytonsdarwin’s 11:45 a.m. post exposes a truth most do not want to see. And his, ”Andy, in fact the government knows exactly what's it's doing” is 100% correct.

Derision of the messenger doesn’t alter the facts.

August 31, 2013 at 1:28 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

BHO is all about political theater.

August 31, 2013 at 2:47 p.m.
fairmon said...

ndystaab said...

I try my best not to be left or right-leaning, because both sides have good points. It is really difficult not to become cynical

cynical.ndystaab...It is so difficult to not become cynical I have failed miserably. I for what I consider good reasons may be among the most cynical. Being elected to congress does not equate to intelligence which can be verified by observing and hearing them.

August 31, 2013 at 3:39 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

"Obama will seek congressional approval." Translation: "Obama will seek somebody else to blame for this disaster." -David Burge

August 31, 2013 at 4:02 p.m.
tifosi said...

PT - The quintessential critic.

Critics hide in the hills while the battle rages. Then descend on the battlefield to shoot the wounded.

August 31, 2013 at 4:14 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Well now, tiffy, that's just stupid.

August 31, 2013 at 4:36 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

"Ricky: I knew you were deep into the Kool-Aid. But false flag 911? Come on, man." - PT

Let me make sure I have this right:

You are sane and reasonable if you believe without question the government's official version of events surrounding 9/11, that a rag-tag team of scruffy Arabs wielding naught but box cutters were able to hijack 4 commercial jetliners, to the point of taking over the pilot's controls of all 4 of them, and then, with scant flight training (and NO first-hand experience whatsoever in actually flying such enormous and technologically advanced planes) were able to successfully fly three of those planes to their targeted destinations, all the while the country with the most advanced and sophisticated air defense system in the world, which could have easily intercepted any and all of those planes, just happened to be "out to lunch" while the hijackings took place; and then when the planes hit TWO of the WTC towers they managed to bring down THREE towers in a manner that was identical to controlled demolition explosions, leaving scarcely anything more than pulverized dust in their wake; and the plane that crashed to the ground (Pennsylvania) and the one that crashed into the Pentagon somehow managed to completely disintegrate, leaving no bodies whatsoever at the crash scenes and hardly any debris at all. And anyone who doubts even one aspect of that incredibly illogical version of events is considered a conspiracy theorist kook? Okaaaay then.

I find it strange that you wingnuts who constantly scream about the evils of the government always confine your rantings to the ways it tries to help the poor, but whenever that same government takes us to war, even when obviously unjustified, or gives corporations yet another tax break or subsidy or denies wrongdoing concerning any part of 9/11 (be it incompetence or a false flag operation) you stand by it as if it were your very mother.

There are so many gaping holes in the "official" version of events that you could drive a dozen bulldozers through them. And you people who passively believe that ridiculous story are the sane ones? Hell yes, I’m a “truther.” What's the opposite of a truther? Oh yeah... a liar. Or at the very least, a blind, deaf, and dumb denier. Liar, denier - one's just as bad as the other.

August 31, 2013 at 4:39 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Amateur hour at the White House. Or maybe The Gong Show.

August 31, 2013 at 4:41 p.m.
joneses said...

Well I stand corrected. Obama has asked for Congress to approve sending missiles into the deserted Syrian desert. I forgot. Obama has to get approval so when he fails at this he can blame Congress because he has never been held accountable for any of his failures which is about everything he has done. It does not matter if obama bombs Syria or not as obama has already disclosed his targets so obama will be blowing up a bunch of empty buildings. But that would take courage so I still think he will send the missiles into the empty Syrian desert and his liberal media and alpos will make him out to be a hero.

August 31, 2013 at 5:03 p.m.
whatsthefuss said...
                        News Flash

Oblamama makes a decision not to make a decision and a very rare TV appearance all in one day! How does this amazing man do all of this? Here are a few excerpts of his speech.

"If I had a son he would look like Assad."

"I have been followed in stores and profiled as a Muslim Terrorist too."

"After careful deliberation I have decided that I think I may be the president of the United States."

I know, the last one is scary but hey it is the good ole USA and free speech is allowed, well at least by some folks. Yeah like Clay. Great speech Mr. Prez!!

August 31, 2013 at 5:17 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

It would be funny if it wasn't so sad. What we get for electing an organizer.

August 31, 2013 at 5:24 p.m.
whatsthefuss said...

Everybody sing along!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Blame it on Bush

Blame it on Cheney

Blame it on the E E EEE Conomy!

Or you could blame the true Dumb A$$ES?

http://youtu.be/e_JJLLfTR8I

August 31, 2013 at 5:42 p.m.
limric said...

OH Yea, Well we got a whole Spittoon ‘o’ missiles out on them boats

”Hi John, how was your vacation”? Do anything cool?

”Nah not really Barack, played some golf, went to the tanning salon. As usual had lunch with the devil; he says high.”

”Oh yea….hi.”

”Hey look John, that Bashar guy acted like a real douche last month. Think you and your posse could see your way to letting me bomb the crap outta him”? ”Pleeeezze!”

”What’s in it for me”?

”Oh I dunno. How about if I cool it with the Obama Care talk for a while”?

”Mmm I don’t know. Maybe we should ask Cheney.”

”NO NO NO! Not that!!!”

”Well then…Whatta ya mean 'you dunno' John.? This is an important national security issue. I can’t let Bashar & Vladimir get away with making us look like fools can I”?

”Whatta ya mean US Barack”?

”Oh yea - Ok, What do you want John?”

”Mmm…how do tax cuts sound”?

”Again? Oh C’mon man. Oh alright. Better I cave in now than when I’m in a weaker position –y’know what I mean John.”

”Certainly do Mr. President - – he he he”

*”Hey Barack.

"Yea John."

"Light that fuse MoFo”

"Whoo Hoo. Thanks John. Wait'll Kerry hears the news." See ya later."*

"Yes....goodbye Barack." He he he...................

August 31, 2013 at 6:06 p.m.
tifosi said...

jonesees says: "he has never been held accountable for any of his failures which is about everything he has done"

Sure made the right decision to remove half of Bin Laden's head. I know, I know... President Obama didn't do that. He was playing cards. But, you hypocrites would have screamed bloody murder if it had failed. Which by the way, brings full credence to Bennett's cartoon. Dumbass RWNJ just want to blame everything on somebody else, but never give credit where it is due. BUNCH OF WHINERS!!!

He sure didn't fail to beat the losers you RWNJ's put up for a candidate. Seems like you are the LOSERS!!! Put the Big "L" on your foreheads now.

August 31, 2013 at 6:46 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

You know Tiffy, I'm not so convinced the right would have bitched if the OBL thing had gone awry. I think all would have received props for trying. I know that doesn't fit into your narrative, but I believe it to be true.

August 31, 2013 at 6:51 p.m.
whatsthefuss said...

I love the O'blamama faithful that give credit to the before mentioned for killing OBL. If I remember correctly it was a member of Seal Team 6 who pulled the trigger and look what a great job the president did protecting this group from any repercussions. Ultimate failure on the part of the Great President Obama!

August 31, 2013 at 7:10 p.m.
MickeyRat said...

Say Limrick,

I assume in your little ditty that ‘John’ is supposed to be John Boehner. And that he said, “Maybe we should ask Cheney.”

Didn’t he (John Boehner) just say he had lunch with him?

August 31, 2013 at 7:11 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Listen, Assad. You have a day, or a week, or a month, to stop the genocide. holy moly

August 31, 2013 at 7:35 p.m.
fairmon said...

The presidents military and foreign policy strategy may come up short but not his legal strategy. Take that John Kerry and quit running out in front of him. The pres says; I have the authority to attack Syria but I am going to ask congress this time. No rush congress take your time, finish your vacation and be ready to debate this issue and the debt ceiling when you reconvene. I will listen to you on this issue but I will not negotiate on the debt issue.

Rest easy, we will not attack which may embolden Iran and Assad and others. We will have an option later if it does. The thing American's can't handle is the collateral damage that would be necessary, the lack of political correctness etc. We wage war as if we think a little bit pregnant or only one half pregnant can be accomplished. How many countries can we rebuild? These will not be rebuilt like Japan and others.

August 31, 2013 at 7:57 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Actually, he threw Sec. Heinz into the ketchup.

August 31, 2013 at 8:03 p.m.
tifosi said...

PT says: "but I believe it to be true"

You are full of crap. You would have led the charge to burn the President at the stake. You don't fool anybody.

And the hypocrite whatsthefuss said...

"I love the O'blamama faithful that give credit to the before mentioned for killing OBL. If I remember correctly it was a member of Seal Team 6 who pulled the trigger and look what a great job the president did protecting this group from any repercussions."

Who made the command decision to send the trigger man and Seal Team 6 into a foreign nation, while violating their airspace? Who would you have blamed if it failed Loser?

August 31, 2013 at 8:23 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Not trying to fool anyone.

August 31, 2013 at 8:27 p.m.
jesse said...

Kerry is gonna wind up under the bus!count on it!!~

August 31, 2013 at 8:27 p.m.
tifosi said...

PlainTruth said... Not trying to fool anyone.

Apparently you are fooling yourself.

August 31, 2013 at 8:28 p.m.
limric said...

Whatsthefuss,

Your stunningly obtuse post at 7:10 p.m. is an example of an invalid and (sorry) unbelievable bogus assertion, much less a legitimate line of reasoning.

Thus by extension of your logic, President Harry Truman did not save hundreds of thousands of American lives by dropping atomic bombs on Hiroshima & Nagasaki, Thomas Ferebee of the Enola Gay and Charles Levy of Boxcar did. Consequently those two should be credited with ending WWII.

The link you provided at 7:24 p.m. validates the 2nd & 3rd words of my first paragraph.

Jesus Christ man................

August 31, 2013 at 8:32 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Kerry should resign after Barry hung him out to dry.

August 31, 2013 at 9:08 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

daytonsdarwin said...

The government knows exactly what's it's doing. The military/corporate government needs wars to continue to grow in power and money.

Congress, for the most part, is tied in to that machinery. Look how many are elected to congress and upon leaving are rich, become lobbyists, represent military defense contractors, retired generals and admirals sit on corporate boards, treasury secretaries become directors of financial institutions, and the machine cranks up another "necessary war" to fill their pockets with blood money bought by dead soldiers.

limric said...

Whether you two like it or not, Daytonsdarwin’s 11:45 a.m. post exposes a truth most do not want to see. And his, ”Andy, in fact the government knows exactly what's it's doing” is 100% correct.

From Scientific American:

Paranoia strikes deep. Into your life it will creep ... Buffalo Springfield

Why do people believe in highly improbable conspiracies? In previous columns I have provided partial answers, citing patternicity (the tendency to find meaningful patterns in random noise) and agenticity (the bent to believe the world is controlled by invisible intentional agents).

Conspiracy theories connect the dots of random events into meaningful patterns and then infuse those patterns with intentional agency. Add to those propensities the confirmation bias (which seeks and finds confirmatory evidence for what we already believe) and the hindsight bias (which tailors after-the-fact explanations to what we already know happened), and we have the foundation for conspiratorial cognition.

Examples of these processes can be found in journalist Arthur Goldwag’s book, Cults, Conspiracies, and Secret Societies, which covers everything from the Freemasons, the Illuminati and the Bilderberg Group to black helicopters and the New World Order.

“When something momentous happens, everything leading up to and away from the event seems momentous, too. Even the most trivial detail seems to glow with significance,” Goldwag explains.

Each odd excrescence, every random lump in the visual texture seems suspicious.” Add to these factors how compellingly a good narrative story can tie it all together—think of Oliver Stone’s JFK or Dan Brown’s Angels and Demons, both equally fictional.

What should we believe?

Transcendentalists tend to believe that everything is interconnected and that all events happen for a reason.

Empiricists tend to think that randomness and coincidence interact with the causal net of our world and that belief should depend on evidence for each individual claim.

The problem for skepticism is that transcendentalism is intuitive; empiricism is not.

The more firemen fighting a fire, the bigger the fire is observed to be. Therefore firemen cause an increase in the size of a fire .... Right?

August 31, 2013 at 10:19 p.m.
whatsthefuss said...

Limric,

Now you claim Obama is an FDR or Harry Truman? And Obtuse is a part of your vocabulary? Wonder how you learned that word. Please watch the attached video and listen to the comment made at 3:30. You will also hear the narrator state that the consideration of using the atomic bomb included countries fearing the United States.

Now we have this clown loved by so many residing on Pennsylvania Ave. making idle threats he cannot and will not backup and plays games of semantics for the world to laugh at and here at home racially dividing this country further instead of leading. Someone should advise him to shut up or put up! The world laughs and goes on its way doing as they please. I'm certain FDR and Truman would be appalled at the cavalier narcissistic manner this president conducts himself. Golf anyone?

Truman united the world helping to rebuild and organize against communism and the tyrannical leaders involved with the idea they could rule the world or a large part of it. And you wish to compare Oblamama and his decision to send in the Seals to Truman's accomplishments? That would be likening Malcolm Glazers only Super Bowl win giving all the praise to Chucky Gruden never mentioning Tony Dungy. Obama loves two words and uses them constantly. I & Me! Obamas buddy claims he was playing cards when the deed was done.

“Most people were like down in the Situation Room and [President Obama] was like, ‘I’m not going to be down there, I can’t watch this entire thing,’ So he, myself, Pete Souza the White House photographer, Marvin, we must have played 15 hands, 15 games of spades.”-Reggie Love -

So in your super intelligent mind you claim to possess, you think killing OBL and the dropping of atomic bombs on Japan to end WWII are equally significant events in history? Please get some help. While Truman was certain Japan would surrender and the war would come to an end, the killing of OBL was at best symbolic and if you have not noticed Al-Qaida is still alive and well along with all the other radical Muslim Fundamentalist groups across the globe. Col. Tom Ferebee went to his grave without any regret having played a direct part in dropping "Little Boy" on Hiroshima. The young man who shot OBL does not seem to share the same feelings concerning his accomplishment. Many of his team are not alive to share theirs. They should have never been identified.

As for your knowledge or lack of in this case concerning the bombing of Nagasaki, your incorrect name for the bomber, Bockscar, not Boxcar, involved with the bombing and mentioning the wrong bombardier that dropped the bomb, it was not Charles Levy but Capt. Kermit K. Beahan who dropped "Fat Man." You can go on with your name calling as many of the Oblablablama faithful do but it only reaffirms to me that you really are the "Man From Nantucket." ,,,,,,,,

Don't forget to watch the video! It might bring you some clarity?

http://youtu.be/dDhpxBiFLV0

September 1, 2013 at 8:48 a.m.
limric said...

Well, ya got me on the spelling of ‘Bockscar’ and the bombardiers name. DOH! That would be obtuseness on my part wouldn’t it?

However, the logic of your 7:10 p.m. post is still horribly flawed as is your effort to conflate revealing said flaws with specious claims and meaningless comparisons.

As far as the college junior’s video history assignment, it was pretty good.

Limric always wrong?

Are you the only one right?

Time to see a shrink.

September 1, 2013 at 10:43 a.m.
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