published Friday, December 6th, 2013

Mandela

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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PlainTruth said...

Good one, Toon-Boy.

December 6, 2013 at 12:13 a.m.
nucanuck said...

Like Gandhi, Mandela chose a nonviolent path to resolve injustice for the oppressed, the mark of a truly great man.

December 6, 2013 at 12:26 a.m.
carlB said...

Clay, Couldn't have been more appropriate and meaningful.

December 6, 2013 at 1:37 a.m.
degage said...

Nucanuck, Mandela started out non violent then turned terrorist . He was the head of the terrorist side of the ANC. He was also part of the communist party of South Africa. He plead guilty to 156 terrorist acts in the 80's. Women and children were killed in those acts.

December 6, 2013 at 6:04 a.m.
WhitesCreek said...

degage is regurgitating false propaganda against a great man. Let's remember that Mandela was arrested by the white apartheid government in 1962 and only released from prison in 1990. Pleading guilty to terrorist acts in the 80'2 would be very difficult for him to have done. The list of atrocities committed by the South African Republic overwhelms everything committed in the struggle against them. Mandela's writings on why he turned to armed struggle are very interesting reading for those who have an open mind.

"This conclusion was not easily arrived at. It was only when all else had failed, when all channels of peaceful protest had been barred to us, that the decision was made to embark on violent forms of political struggle, and to form Umkhonto we Sizwe. We did so not because we desired such a course, but solely because the government had left us with no other choice"

December 6, 2013 at 7:10 a.m.
degage said...

I am well aware Mandela was in prison in the 80's but the group he was head of was responsible for the acts of the 80's. Mandela also refused to condemn the violence. I do not deny he was a great man, but a stretch to compare him to Gandhi or for that matter Dr Martin Luther King.

December 6, 2013 at 7:29 a.m.
ibshame said...

"degage said... I am well aware Mandela was in prison in the 80's but the group he was head of was responsible for the acts of the 80's. Mandela also refused to condemn the violence. I do not deny he was a great man, but a stretch to compare him to Gandhi or for that matter Dr Martin Luther King"

And yet someone like you seems to forget there was VIOLENCE all around Dr. King. His home was bombed, his life was threatened, those who marched with him were beaten and the children of Birmingham, Alabama were bitten by dogs unleashed on them (by the very people who were suppose to protect them) and sprayed with water hoses. The difference between Mandela and Dr. King was that when Mandela saw that his government was not going to protect the people (who should have been protected) he decided it was time to meet force with force. There was no need for him to condemn the violence. He was from a country where the MAJORITY had no say whatsoever in what was done to them. Yet he rose above it all and in the end he did bring peace to his country.

People like you are quick to call someone like Mandiba a terrorist yet you forget IN THIS VERY COUNTRY WE LIVE IN TODAY AND REVERE IT WAS FOUNDED FROM THE ROOTS OF VIOLENCE. DID YOU BELIEVE THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION WAS FOUGHT ONLY WITH WORDS? The Declaration of Independence is a beautifully worded document but make no mistake it was also a DECLARATION OF WAR. The colonists believed they were being oppressed by the British Government and when their requests for fair treatment went ignored they ROSE UP IN A VIOLENT REVOLUTION to OVERTHROW the British. So the next time you talk of someone promoting VIOLENCE you should think of how this country began. It certainly was not at some negotiating table.

December 6, 2013 at 7:53 a.m.
limric said...

Poignant and moving Mr. Bennett. A better tribute will be hard to find. Well done.

In equating Nelson Mandela with terrorists, I think there is a need for perspective. When one reflects on history and historical figures, one man’s freedom fighter is always another’s terrorist. This truism is touched on by Ibshame.

Degage believes it a stretch to compare him to Gandhi - or for that matter Dr. Martin Luther King. I disagree, but time hasn’t finished writing his legacy yet.

December 6, 2013 at 8:50 a.m.
caddy said...

http://www.censorbugbear.org/black-racism/terrorism/nelson-mandela-the-bombing-record

I understand this type of thing coming from a sheepal Progressive like Clay, but when Conservatives can't see through the media, It is concerning:

The Passing of Mandela will give a good reflection on how very little Conservative thinking exists even among the so called conservative outlets. Already I'm hearing how great Mandela was from all kinds of so called conservative sources.

Mandela was a flaming Marxists, who sang songs that supported the killing of white people and was jailed for years for terrorist activity.

December 6, 2013 at 9:21 a.m.

I can completely understand why a black from South Africa, or "a colored" person, like Ghandi, would hate the whites who ruled South Africa. I think Mandela's suffering is more than most could endure, but I don't think he's comparable to Ghandi. Mandela was a great man, and had many lives. He does deserve scrutiny and criticism for some of his actions, but his life was very remarkable.

What's coming now is the attempt by the left in this country to raise Obama to Mandela's level.

That, of course, is ludicrous, but it will happen. Obama is about Obama, and a hang nail on one the fingers on his basketball shooting hand is about all he's suffered.

December 6, 2013 at 9:48 a.m.
librul said...

As the world mourns a leader victorious over African apartheid, there are those seeking to establish the same evil system today right here in America, likely to Caddy's delight:

Shackles and Chains: Detroit as a Template for Democracy's Destruction

Written by Chris Floyd
www.chris-floyd.com Monday, 18 November 2013

PART ONE

Glen Ford brings the heat:

http://blackagendareport.com/content/democracy-going-down-count-detroit

and the truth, about one of the most important -- and unreported -- stories of our day: the shackling of Detroit. Over the past year, we have seen the citizens of a major American city openly, 'legally' stripped of the right to govern themselves and forced into a form of indentured servitude in order to enrich a small predatory elite whose own machinations had driven the city to ruin.

It is an extraordinary -- and sickening -- spectacle. Detroit is now under the control of an unelected "Emergency Financial Manager," Kevyn Jones, forcibly imposed by the state governor, with all real power -- the power of the purse -- placed in his hands. And Jones is wielding this power with ruthless efficiency.

As Ford notes, Detroit is being looted and disenfranchised without the slightest peep from the great compassionate progressive community organizer in the White House. And 'white' is the operative word here; Detroit's population is more than 80 percent black, but the first African-American president will not lift a finger to help the city -- although he was more than happy to lavish trillions of dollars in bailouts on Wall Street (whose population is, shall we say, somewhat less than 80 percent black).

But Ford makes the salient point that Detroit's plight goes far beyond race. The city is in fact a test case, a template, a dry run for the extinguishing of any kind of genuine democracy across the land, and its replacement by overt corporate control. You should read the whole piece, but here are a few telling excerpts:

The “restructuring” of Detroit through bankruptcy is the model for drastically downsizing what’s left of democracy in all of urban America. Already, Black voting rights have been rendered null and void “on a scale not seen since the death of Reconstruction.” However, the legal precedents that are being established in mostly Black Detroit will obtain throughout the nation…

The post-Civil Rights era vision to consolidate Black Power through purely electoral means in the major cities of the United States has all but evaporated. Wherever possible, capital has reclaimed the urban centers for upscale white habitation, most often with the active collaboration of a venal Black political class concerned primarily with its own upward mobility …

Even Chattanooga is thusly infected <

December 6, 2013 at 9:51 a.m.
librul said...

Chris Floyd - PART TWO:

"Some cities, including New Orleans and Detroit, were, in the words of Public Enemy, “too Black, too strong,” with African American majorities of 67 and 80-plus percent, respectively. Hurricane Katrina brought those numbers down to manageable size, creating the conditions for near-instantaneous Disaster Capitalist renaissance, in 2005. That same year, in Detroit, the so-called “Hip Hop Mayor,” Kwame Kilpatrick – actually the spoiled, morally degenerate spawn of the historical Black Misleadership Class – strapped the Black metropolis into a suicide vest wired with interest rate swap derivatives. Similar devices are embedded in the fiscal structures of cities around the country, ready to bring down what’s left of home rule so that capital can feast on the public space, unconstrained. …

The scheme is general, part of the worldwide offensive by Wall Street and its global annexes to absorb the public sphere wherever it exists, reducing humanity to total dependence on the dictatorship of money. In the United States, the finance bourgeoisie’s bacchanal is, like all American politics, organized along racial lines – the perfect, crowd-pleasing cover for the destruction of Black voting rights on a scale not seen since the death of Reconstruction. In place of an already straitjacketed, comprador-dominated home rule, Michigan’s Republican Gov. Rick Snyder imposed his own regent in the noxious form of Emergency Financial Manager Kevyn Orr, who was until this year a bankruptcy attorney from the multinational firm Jones Day, which is the mercenary legal arm for much of the Fortune 500, including most of the banks that have conspired to destroy Detroit’s tax base. …

Earlier in the week, Judge Rhodes rejected the NAACP’s challenge to Kevyn Orr’s Emergency Financial Manager powers on the grounds that they unconstitutionally disenfranchise a majority of Michigan’s African American citizens. The judge said the public has a more “substantial interest in the speedy and efficient resolution of a municipal bankruptcy case that affects as many people and institutions, and as much of the local, regional and national economy, as this case does.” He said the NAACP could continue its suit after the bankruptcy is done.

In other words, the people’s right to vote is secondary to working out the financial claims brought by derivatives-wielding bankers. If the people’s franchise stands in the way of the Lords of Capital’s right to “restructure” Detroit to their liking, then the franchise must be rendered inoperative, at least until the spoils have been divvyed up – that is, until all the issues that matter have been made moot.

A great deal has been mooted in Detroit, whose fate will become the model, the legal precedent, for the rest of the country. We are witnessing the death of, not just dreams of urban Black power, but of previous notions of American democracy, itself."

December 6, 2013 at 9:55 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Obama's name should not be mentioned in the same sentence with Mandela.

December 6, 2013 at 9:59 a.m.
MickeyRat said...

Zableedofisterix,

”What's coming now is the attempt by the left in this country to raise Obama to Mandela's level. That, of course, is ludicrous, but it will happen.” No, the ‘left’ isn’t attempting that (which I agree would be absolutely ludicrous) and no, it won’t happen.

Contrariwise; the right has been attempting for years to raise Ronald Reagan to Mt. Rushmore status, which is equally as ludicrous. Don’t ya think?

”Obama's name should not be mentioned in the same sentence with Mandela.” Nor should yours with anything resembling objectivity or reasoned debate.

December 6, 2013 at 10:04 a.m.
schizka said...

degage said... I am well aware Mandela was in prison in the 80's but the group he was head of was responsible for the acts of the 80's. Mandela also refused to condemn the violence. I do not deny he was a great man, but a stretch to compare him to Gandhi or for that matter Dr Martin Luther King

degage would say the same thing about Gandhi and Dr. King he's now saying about Mandela if they were the ones in the national news. In fact, some of his right wingnut buddies have already described both Gandhi and Dr. King as terrorists.

All one has to do is read or have listened to the South African Reconciliation confessions and hearings to learn just how evil, brutal and hideous things were under apartheid. The things they admitted to carrying out against primarily Black South Africans would shock Satan.

As for Mandela joining the African Communist Party: The Communist were far more humane, generous and civilized than then present white African-Apartheid. Therefore it's only natural Mandela and those with him would embrace Communism over white south-African apartheid rule.

China once was on the verge of embracing American democracy, but under the brutal reign of the Koomingtang, led by American advisors, they instead embraced and accepted communism. Where the Koomingtang entered villages and carried out rape, torture and murder and confiscating property and food the people grew themselves. The communist entered the villages and brought in food to a starving people, because the Koomingtang had confiscated all their food supplies and equipment used to plant and harvest food. Under American advisors, The Koomingtang forced them from their land, homes and villages. So that's why to many oppressed people around the world Communism was the better choice.

American's are especially isolated and naive when it comes to what goes on around the world and who the terrorists can really be at times. One nation's terrorist is just another's freedom fighter. It all boils down to which side you're cheering on.

December 6, 2013 at 10:14 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

So Rat, what did you find offensive about what I said?

December 6, 2013 at 10:14 a.m.
MickeyRat said...

Your avatar is offensive (the cross as the shadow of the flag!!) for starters.

December 6, 2013 at 10:27 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Really? Problably not offensive to many. Sort of an exercise in freedom of speech, Rat. I'm sure you're down with that, right?

December 6, 2013 at 10:36 a.m.
ibshame said...

"schizka said... American's are especially isolated and naive when it comes to what goes on around the world and who the terrorists can really be at times. One nation's terrorist is just another's freedom fighter. It all boils down to which side you're cheering on."

So true. It would explain why we have a hard time understanding when others hate us. We only see ourselves as the good guys when to some others we are just the opposite because of the people we have supported who oppressed their own people.

December 6, 2013 at 10:57 a.m.
wallyworld said...

Ronald Reagan was angry. It was October 1986, and his veto against the Comprehensive Anti-Apartheid Act had just been overridden — and by a Republican-controlled Senate, at that…

Conservatives believed the U.S. had no business hectoring the South African government over apartheid. Senator Jesse Helms (R–N.C.), the Senate’s leading race-baiter, took the Senate floor to filibuster on behalf of the apartheid government of South Africa. Helms was an old pro at using the filibuster: he had launched a similar one three years earlier against establishing a national holiday to honor Martin Luther King, Jr. He was joined by like-minded conservatives including noted segregationist Strom Thurmond (R–S.C.) and future presidential hopeful Phil Gramm (R–Texas) in voting against the bill’s final passage. Over in the House, Representative Dick Cheney (R–Wyo.) joined the minority in opposing the Anti-Apartheid Act. In earlier battles over South Africa, Cheney had denounced Nelson Mandela as a terrorist and argued against his release…

Reagan took his case directly to the people on a live TV broadcast. He echoed Crocker in urging Americans to be patient with South Africa’s apartheid government. Reagan argued that sanctions would disproportionately hurt black South Africans without significantly undermining apartheid, and blamed black extremists for contributing to the violence. Change, if it were to come at all, would happen incrementally. He believed he had sold his case effectively, and considered the matter closed…

Under considerable pressure, Republican moderates rallied. Thirty-seven (37) out of 53 Republican senators joined their Democratic colleagues to pass the Comprehensive Anti-Apartheid Act over Reagan’s veto. Conservatives fumed, but they were powerless to stop the law from passing. It was the first time in the 20th century that a presidential veto on a foreign policy issue had been overturned…

http://www.policymic.com/articles/52029/the-surprising-republican-civil-war-that-erupted-over-nelson-mandela-and-apartheid

December 6, 2013 at 11:11 a.m.

Micky, are you a moron? What does Reagan have to do with what I said?

Mandela invited his jailers, at the prison he was locked up in for 27 years, to his inauguration. "civil rights leaders" in this country capitalize on race to make money, and blame white Americans now for what happened 250 years ago.

I heard that the White House sent out a tweet with Obama in the jail cell where Mandela was held. Unbelievable. Obama, the preening and narcissistic fool that he is, wouldn't last 5 minutes in the conditions Mandela lived under.

Reagan never compared himself to Washington, or Lincoln, or anyone else. Obama actually said he had a lot in common with Lincoln, as he stood under a portrait of Lincoln while he campaigned in 2008. Obama is a clown, a spoiled baby, and thinks everything revoloves around him. Deal with it.

December 6, 2013 at 12:29 p.m.
jesse said...

The ONLY historical figure that Obama has anything in common with is Neville Chamberlain!Gonna have to start wearing knee pads soon!

His natural posture is "bent at the waist" get your lips as close to their arz as possible!

December 6, 2013 at 12:58 p.m.

Ibshame, you're a leftist twit. We're so "hated" around the world that everyone in the world would love to come here. I would say that since the Obagger presidency much of the world has lost some respect for us. It's a myth that we're "hated' around the world. You lefties repeat that all the time until it becomes fact. Which is a common tactic you use. Radical Islam hates us, as they hate everyone who isn't like them. Who else hates us? Give me a list? China? China is laughing at us because of Obumble. Who else besides all the haters hate us?

December 6, 2013 at 2:06 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Zablee: Most of the hate US shizz comes from within thel US.

December 6, 2013 at 2:27 p.m.
tifosi said...

Plain Truth's name should not be mentioned in the same sentence as truth.

December 6, 2013 at 2:28 p.m.
MickeyRat said...

It has more to do with your prediction: ”What's coming now is the attempt by the left in this country to raise Obama to Mandela's level." than your 12:29 post.

Stay with me here if you can. Contrariwise(key word); the right has been attempting for years to raise Ronald Reagan to Mt. Rushmore status.

Nowhere did I say, Reagan compared himself to Washington, or Lincoln, or anyone else.

Get it yet?

"It's a myth that we're "hated' around the world." Oh really? Walk around Fallujah, Kabul or any number of cities and countries we have 'brought democracy' to with a Dick Cheney T-shirt.

December 6, 2013 at 2:34 p.m.
MickeyRat said...

DING DING DING DING. Tifosi gets the prize.

December 6, 2013 at 2:35 p.m.
jesse said...

HEY tifosi? WHY is a big time developer from Oak Ridge ,Who at one time was trying to raise 40 million $$ to build a F_1 track in Oak ridge now working at V,W, in Chattanooga for peanuts??Like man IF you so smart WHY ya on here bustin balls??

HEY RATSO? No prize! same old shat!

December 6, 2013 at 2:36 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

"Mandela invited his jailers, at the prison he was locked up in for 27 years, to his inauguration. "civil rights leaders" in this country capitalize on race to make money, and blame white Americans now for what happened 250 years ago."

Zableedofisterix, if you honestly believe that it has been "250 years ago" since blacks' rights were violated, I suggest you open a history book. And when you make fecal claims such as this, most will ignore everything else you post, regardless of its validity.

December 6, 2013 at 3:12 p.m.
jesse said...

Zableeder along w/60% of the posters on here are Brain dead! Could not find their ass w/a pack of huntin dogs!All the rest are so caught up in showin how SMART they are that they don't count either!Got about 4 rational humans on here!That's all!!!

December 6, 2013 at 3:25 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Gassy said to Zablee: "And when you make fecal claims such as this, most will ignore everything else you post, regardless of its validity." not me, Gassy, Ol' PT (very rational) reads 'em all

December 6, 2013 at 4:05 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

Well, I did also mainly to see where the car wreck of his post would take me. And I can rarely ever finish all of Ken Orr's posts, but most others. Oh yeah, Maximus' also. Of course, I can usually finish his post by just reading the first few words.

December 6, 2013 at 4:15 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Tiffany: PT has never posted a lie.

December 6, 2013 at 4:35 p.m.
schizka said...

Re; * He was joined by like-minded conservatives including noted segregationist Strom Thurmond (R–S.C.) *

And who could possibly forget old boy strommie. Spewing all that racial hatred in the public, but couldn't stay out of young black girls' panties when no one was around? For sure, Essie Mae Washington wasn't the only black offspring his seed and other like minded produced back in the day. In fact, it was commonplace to spew and spittle segregation on the front end then sneak down and make babies in the bottom.

December 6, 2013 at 4:56 p.m.
schizka said...

wallyworld said... Ronald Reagan was angry. It was October 1986, and his veto against the Comprehensive Anti-Apartheid Act had just been overridden — and by a Republican-controlled Senate, at that...

Was that around about the same time AIDS organizations and other human rights groups accused American government, under Reagan and republican controlled, of shipping defective condoms to help fight the HIV AIDS epidemic in Africa? Republicans were even flippant about it, I recall?

December 6, 2013 at 5:03 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

So schizka, the Republican controlled senate overrode the veto, then wanted to help in the spread of HIV? Does that work for you?

December 6, 2013 at 5:22 p.m.
tifosi said...

Plain Truth has posted many lies.

December 6, 2013 at 6:04 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Name one

December 6, 2013 at 6:06 p.m.
tifosi said...

What is the point? You would just deny with more lies.

December 6, 2013 at 6:08 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

You're sick, Bunky.

December 6, 2013 at 6:28 p.m.
jesse said...

I would rather hear a lie than someones delusion!!

December 6, 2013 at 6:34 p.m.
tifosi said...

Nope. Just confronting a liar.

December 6, 2013 at 6:34 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

You made the charge. Back it up.

December 6, 2013 at 6:37 p.m.
tifosi said...

You would never admit it. Denial. True sign of a liar.

December 6, 2013 at 6:44 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Make a charge, then run. Cowardly.

December 6, 2013 at 6:47 p.m.
tifosi said...

PT said: "I've followed Kerry since his Viet Nam days and have nothing for him. A lifetime gigolo..."

Either you do not know the definition of a gigolo... or you are a liar. Which is it???

Drum roll please... here comes the denial or excuse.

December 6, 2013 at 6:51 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Married 2 very women... Very gigoloish to me. Are you seriously calling that statement a lie? Weak sauce, Enzo.

December 6, 2013 at 6:56 p.m.
tifosi said...

Liar. That didn't take long.

December 6, 2013 at 6:57 p.m.
schizka said...

Just like the U.S. segregation and Jim Crow era, there's not really been any major changes from South Africa's apartheid period. There's still apartheid; only without the official name. There's institutionalized racism, segregation in the U.S. It's just not official.

bbc February 28, 2013:Caught on tape. South African police tie man to police truck bumper and drag him to death. The only difference today is, just like in America, there were black police involved in the brutality.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-21627554

Their massahs taught them well.

Oh, and did you know Britain created the Caste system in India that to this day divide dark skinned and light skinned natives of India?

December 6, 2013 at 7:23 p.m.
tifosi said...

I don't think PT likes being on the receiving end.

December 6, 2013 at 7:31 p.m.
jesse said...

Tifosi i hate to tell ya this BUT so far ya shootin blanks!!

MAGIES DRAWERS! so far!!

December 6, 2013 at 7:47 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Tiffy, you've yet to make a point; only a charge you can't back up. What lie?

December 6, 2013 at 8:14 p.m.
degage said...

schizka, You know nothing about me, I was raised in the north and was in my 20's in the 60's. I remember all that went on with Dr. King and his death. those of us in the north agreed with his actions because he was peaceful and truly believed change could come from peaceful means. So no I would not say the same about Dr. King. You assume and you know what that means.

December 6, 2013 at 8:27 p.m.
schizka said...

degage, what does being from the north have to do with anything? Blacks experienced just as much, even more racism, in the north (NY stop frisk policies** as the south. Even way out west, in California. Southwest Texas.

Madiba as Nelson Mandela was called, was very outspoken and didn't bite his tongue about U.S. and it's policies. Here's what he had to say:

On Iraq: (1) Mandela said that any military action against the Saddam Hussein regime without U.N. Security Council approval would be illegal. He also condemned Bush for undermining the United Nations, Huff Post reported. He also said, Bush was a small little man after Iraq's oil; who had no foresight, who cannot think right and, who is trying to plunge the world into a holocaust.

(2.)He also said (A): If there is a country that has committed unspeakable atrocities in the world, it is the United States of America. They don't care for human beings. Who are they now to pretend that they are the policemen of the world,

Madiba also denounced America as a **threat to world peace)

Although he initially supported the invasion of Afhanistan, he'd later criticize America for its actions:

Mandela would come to criticize* the United States for its actions:

“The United States has made serious mistakes in the conduct of its foreign affairs, which have had unfortunate repercussions long after the decisions were taken…If you look at those matters, you will come to the conclusion that the attitude of the United States of America is a threat to world peace,” he said.

Mandela also called out the U.S. for its hypocritical stance on Israel in an interview with Newsweek in 2002:

"Neither Bush nor Tony Blair has provided any evidence that such weapons exist [in Iraq]. But what we know is that Israel has weapons of mass destruction. Nobody talks about that. Why should there be one standard for one country, especially because it is black, and another one for another country, Israel, that is white."

see more @ alt org

December 6, 2013 at 9:05 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

schiza: Wow,with all that US bashing, Mandela would have fit right in on this forum.

December 6, 2013 at 9:14 p.m.
schizka said...

PT, Like the Pope before the last Pope attempted to warn Bush "God is not on our side in this war, prior to America invading Iraq and Bush, being bullheaded, wouldn't listen; I and others consider the advice coming from a loving friend or family member warning someone who continues to travel down a self-destructive, self-immolating path that will consume them; in this instance will consume an entire nation. Make no mistake about it. This is all about oil. Saudi Arabia's oil is said to be so contaminated it is virtually worthless. That's why Saddam Hussein had to be removed. To get at Iraq's massive virgin oil wells. Remember Bush warning Saddam: "Don't touch my (oops/those) oil wells?!"

Saudi Arabia and Israel have formed an unholy alliance to draw America into a war with Iran.

Britain is contemplating placing military ships at sea to stem the flow of refugees now and in the future when all he/ll breaks loose.

Those large sea creatures washing up on the shores of Florida and other coastal area are because of military operations already taking place on the ocean floors.

Like I say, Americans are soooo in the dark when it comes to what goes on the rest of the world. They don't have a clue to what's driving the instability around the world and who's really behind it.

December 7, 2013 at 8:31 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Saudi Oil isn't contaminated or worthless. Where in the world did you hear that nonsense?

December 7, 2013 at 9:12 a.m.
schizka said...

Ike, it's true. It's been that way for a very long time. They've been stealing oil from Iraq for years. That's why Iraq and Kuwait went to war against one another. Kuwait, which really isn't Kuwait, but is or was once Iraqi territory before teh British carved out decades ago, and put down stakes.

Like I say, Americans don't have a clue.

Just put your thinking cap on: If Saudi Arabia has such a great oil supply there would have been no need to go after Iraq's virgin oil wells, or threaten Venezuela.

And we'll just leave it that. Some people think for themselves and research to truth, while others find it easier to allow others to do the thinking for them or they are too afraid to look at the truth.

December 7, 2013 at 9:25 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Sources please. I can't seem to find anything at all to support your claim.

December 7, 2013 at 10:18 a.m.
schizka said...

Ike, that's another tragic legacy of Americans. You all have become so spoiled with technology that you naively believe everything can be found with a few simple clicks of your mouse. So so sad :(

Just think if Snowden hadn't gotten hold to those files before goin public most of you would still be in denial and instead attacking him. And now the ones who are attacking, even the media, are throwing it all on President Obama. They've pulled out their claws. The truth is TSA is just an extension and followup of the patriot act under Bush. President Obama and Democrats tried to at least limit what was happening, but they were stopped at every angle. Everyone thought it was the other guy being spied on and never themselves. That's what happens when you give up freedom for a false sense of safety.

December 7, 2013 at 5:01 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Translation: you have no sources and you've made it all up?

December 7, 2013 at 6:58 p.m.
schizka said...

A few say we should all pity ignorance and denial. I, however, find both disgusting. Especially when others choose both over common sense. No wonder the rest of the world, even undeveloped nations, is so much more advanced than Americans on world issues. You people live in a bubbled/isolated society.

December 8, 2013 at 9:26 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Still no evidence/sources schizka? I declare MSU.

December 8, 2013 at 2:07 p.m.
schizka said...

Did what I say frighten you or something, Ikeland? Didn't intend to.

But straight from the front page of your own newspaper:

Officials Find 11 Dead Whales Off Florida Keys

And this isn't the first of its kind. You still wanna choose to remain in the dark? I know the truth can be scary, but ignoring the truth is worst.

December 8, 2013 at 11:48 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Whales beach themselves. It happens all over the world. I was specifically asking for evidence about Saudi oil contamination (nice dodge) but you are welcome to provide evidence that THIS is caused by underwater military exercises. You can speculate all you want but it is meaningless without evidence to back it up.

December 9, 2013 at 6:58 a.m.
schizka said...

No dodging on my part ikeland. I have time on my side. Time will prove me right. I have nothing whatsoever to prove to you.

Yes, Whales beach all the time, but this is not the same, and it's taking place on a near weekly or bi-weekly basis. The military has already calculated how much sea life they expect to be loss due to operations being carried out at sea in preparation for.... And yes, it all has ties to O.I.L. in the middle east. The fact that you don't get the connection is proof of how limited you are when it comes to worldview and what others in other countries have long been aware of what is taking place around the world and why. *Stay in the dark" if you feel safe there.

December 9, 2013 at 10:50 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Nice dodge again. No evidence, no sources. Let me know when you find anything. Until then your claims are as real as Bigfoot.

December 9, 2013 at 3:08 p.m.
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