published Saturday, December 14th, 2013

The Condition

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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nucanuck said...

The latest drone strike in Yemen, killing many in a wedding party, illustrates clearly that US policy for dispute resolution is one of death and destruction. For the last twelve years American media has been full of acts of US government terrorism on peoples who pose no real threat to the US.

With this kind of national attitude toward others, why should home grown young shooters be surprising? America has become a culture of guns and death. The evidence is everywhere.

December 14, 2013 at 2:21 a.m.
joneses said...

When Socialist Liar in Chief, hussein obama was in the Senate he and his Socialist pals in government were incredibly critical of President Bush for using Water Boarding on three, repeat three Terrorists, involved in the 9/11 attack. Now, President Obama not only wants that power, he wants the power to kill Americans, without any due process of law, suspected of Terrorists activities, presumably using drones even in the United States. Forget about the Constitution, not unusual for Obama, but where are the left wing, lame stream media and other Socialists in Congress that would be screaming bloody murder if this was a Republican President. We are not hearing a word from them. What hypocrites!!

December 14, 2013 at 6:08 a.m.
limric said...

He he, pretty good Clay. And on 'target' as usual.

A worthy addition to the panel would be a predator UAV flying in the background (high & behind the annotation) -- and a nonchalant president on left side of the panel looking up and away and whistling.

"What? Me worry?"

December 14, 2013 at 6:52 a.m.
jackson1961 said...

Funny how the Democratic Party of America is all for killing of the the USA (1.3 million/yr.), the unborn in China (13.6 million/yr.), the unborn world wide (over 50 million/yr.)...and the killing of the just born, up to 3 years old...and the killing of the disabled and the elderly (just take "the pill" grandma)...and the too costly (i.e. little girls needing a lung transplant and those like her in need of healthcare). They also support killing via assassinations of political opponents. They also worship the ground Mao Zedung walked on (responsible for killing 78 million Chinese). What killing is the Democratic Party of America against? People on Death Row (43 people last year). So, let's get this straight. The Democrats support, encourage, financially promote all killings, except for those on Death Row - violent criminals who have killed "illegally."

December 14, 2013 at 6:53 a.m.
conservative said...

Well said Jackson 1961.

December 14, 2013 at 7:05 a.m.
jesse said...

Hey, drones don't KILL, they cause "collateral damage"!

And besides it's OK because now Barrak is "THE MAN" and he says so!!If ya don't believe it just ask Clay Bennett!!

December 14, 2013 at 7:20 a.m.
limric said...

Uh Jackson1961,

You left out the part about Democrats all being Prius driving bible burning atheist devil worshipping fags, that despise hot dogs, apple pie and Chevrolet.

December 14, 2013 at 7:35 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

And vegans. Don't forget vegans.

Save the Whales!


December 14, 2013 at 7:42 a.m.
flyfishooltewah said...

"Officials here, believing they are free of the latest round of challenges to Tennessee’s death penalty, recently asked the state Supreme Court for execution dates for 10 death row inmates. "

"One of those 10, Billy Ray Irick, is scheduled to die Jan. 15 for raping and killing a 7-year-old Knoxville girl he had been baby-sitting in 1985."..

I wonder if Mr. Bennett would like to do a funny-feel good cartoon about saving this Bill Ray from having a needle strapped to his arm?

December 14, 2013 at 8:16 a.m.
jesse said...

UH Limric"Devil worshiping atheists"?? Is that an oxymoron??

December 14, 2013 at 8:19 a.m.
SeaSmokie59er said...

Thou shall not kill.....unless.....

all your arguments are invalid, but isn't it fun to highlight somene else's sins to distract from yours?

December 14, 2013 at 8:19 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

The total and utter hypocrisy of the left on display here.

December 14, 2013 at 8:21 a.m.
limric said...

Why yes Jesse, it most certainly is.

PlainTruth alleged, ”The total and utter hypocrisy of the left on display here.”

Oh? How?

December 14, 2013 at 8:42 a.m.
rick1 said...

Obama is the wedding crasher. He has bragged about how he likes killing people and proved it in Yemen.

December 14, 2013 at 8:49 a.m.
fairmon said...

We are vulnerable on each end of the life cycle now that the patient protection panel will decide what treatment will be available to senior citizens that were not aborted by choice before they were born.

December 14, 2013 at 9 a.m.
fairmon said...

How many human lives have been sacrificed, American and others, on the premise that it is to protect the U.S. from an invasion that other countries are not capable of? Why would they want to invade or attack America if there was no presence or interference in their affairs. Could it be all about oil, money, ego and power?

December 14, 2013 at 9:06 a.m.
limric said...

No no no Rick1,

Obama did not brag that he "likes killing people". He bragged that he’s ”really good at killing people".

That being said, Obama isn’t just ‘really good at killing people’ (as he supposedly said) he's effing great at killing people. As far as Nobel Peace Laureates go, we haven’t seen anything like him since Henry (p’tui) Kissinger. The man should take a bow.

December 14, 2013 at 9:13 a.m.
GaussianInteger said...

Maybe "ego and power". Definitely not "money", though. We spend 100 x's what we can expect to recoup from our international nation building and attacks on the Axis of Evil.

Now that I think about it, money may be thrown in there. Think of all the contractors that prosper from our bloated defense budget hidden in the guise of supporting the troops.

December 14, 2013 at 9:21 a.m.
joepulitzer said...


"You left out the part about Democrats all being Prius driving bible burning atheist devil worshipping fags, that despise hot dogs, apple pie and Chevrolet."


December 14, 2013 at 9:25 a.m.

Liberals – still unable to distinguish innocent human life from lumber, livestock, and those convicted of capital crimes.

December 14, 2013 at 9:31 a.m.

Then Herod, when he saw that he had been tricked by the wise men, became furious, and he sent and killed all the male children in Bethlehem and in all that region who were two years old or under, according to the time that he had ascertained from the wise men. Then was fulfilled what was spoken by the prophet Jeremiah:

“A voice was heard in Ramah,
    weeping and loud lamentation,
Rachel weeping for her children;
    she refused to be comforted, because they are no more.”

But when Herod died, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared in a dream to Joseph in Egypt, saying, “Rise, take the child and his mother and go to the land of Israel, for those who sought the child's life are dead.” And he rose and took the child and his mother and went to the land of Israel. But when he heard that Archelaus was reigning over Judea in place of his father Herod, he was afraid to go there, and being warned in a dream he withdrew to the district of Galilee. And he went and lived in a city called Nazareth, so that what was spoken by the prophets might be fulfilled, that he would be called a Nazarene.

December 14, 2013 at 9:36 a.m.
librul said...

The Republican party meltdown is wholly, hilariously and obviously represented by the fevered ranting of these righties who will soon be left as people without a functional party. The teabaggers are irrelevant and their billionaire puppeteers are exposed as the hateful, greed merchants that they are; their radical little squirrels in the Congress cannot avoid spouting illogical craziness ; and the "traditional conservatives" who have now had enough of them have got their knives out. Let the games begin!

Those of us on the far left have the best seats in the place because there might soon scarcely be anything left of their fascist arses.

December 14, 2013 at 9:42 a.m.
rick1 said...

limric, I'm sorry you are correct I missed spoke on his alleged statement and I agree with your post.

Can someone explain how waterboarding is torture and must be banned as Obama is on record stating but killing an innocent 16 year old American is permissible.

Remember what former White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said when questioned about the killing of the 16 year old American son of Anwar al-Awlaki:

"I would suggest that you should have a far more responsible father if they are truly concerned about the well being of their children. I don't think becoming an al Qaeda jihadist terrorist is the best way to go about doing your business."

December 14, 2013 at 9:43 a.m.
rick1 said...

The following fits Obama. Narcissistic leaders are nefarious and their effects pernicious. They are subtle, refined, socially-adept, manipulative, possessed of thespian skills, and convincing. Both types equally lack empathy and are ruthless and relentless or driven.

  • Feels grandiose and self-important (e.g., exaggerates accomplishments, talents, skills, contacts, and personality traits to the point of lying, demands to be recognised as superior without commensurate achievements);

  • Is obsessed with fantasies of unlimited success, fame, fearsome power or omnipotence, unequalled brilliance (the cerebral narcissist), bodily beauty or sexual performance (the somatic narcissist), or ideal, everlasting, all-conquering love or passion;

  • Firmly convinced that he or she is unique and, being special, can only be understood by, should only be treated by, or associate with, other special or unique, or high-status people (or institutions);

  • Requires excessive admiration, adulation, attention and affirmation – or, failing that, wishes to be feared and to be notorious (Narcissistic Supply);

  • Feels entitled. Demands automatic and full compliance with his or her unreasonable expectations for special and favourable priority treatment;

  • Is "interpersonally exploitative", i.e., uses others to achieve his or her own ends;

  • Devoid of empathy. Is unable or unwilling to identify with, acknowledge, or accept the feelings, needs, preferences, priorities, and choices of others;

  • Constantly envious of others and seeks to hurt or destroy the objects of his or her frustration. Suffers from persecutory (paranoid) delusions as he or she believes that they feel the same about him or her and are likely to act similarly;

  • Behaves arrogantly and haughtily. Feels superior, omnipotent, omniscient, invincible, immune, "above the law", and omnipresent (magical thinking). Rages when frustrated, contradicted, or confronted by people he or she considers inferior to him or her and unworthy.

Narcissism is a defense mechanism whose role is to deflect hurt and trauma from the victim's "True Self" into a "False Self" which is omnipotent, invulnerable, and omniscient. This False Self is then used by the narcissist to garner narcissistic supply from his human environment. Narcissistic supply is any form of attention, both positive and negative and it is instrumental in the regulation of the narcissist's labile sense of self-worth.

Perhaps the most immediately evident trait of patients with Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) is their vulnerability to criticism and disagreement. Subject to negative input, real or imagined, even to a mild rebuke, a constructive suggestion, or an offer to help, they feel injured, humiliated and empty and they react with disdain (devaluation), rage, and defiance.

December 14, 2013 at 9:57 a.m.
jesse said...

Librul, The entire system is in melt down and IMO is beyond the point of salvage short of a major revolution and in today's world that won't even flap it's wings!!100 years from now life in the USA is gonna be very close to what it was in the 1850's!Folks of my generation are the lucky one's, we had it the best it ever was or will be,it's gonna be all downhill from here!

December 14, 2013 at 10:01 a.m.
inquiringmind said...

Put your helmets on! Head for the bomb shelter. Clay is going to roust the NRA, gun-crazed righties with this one.

I already hear them circling in panic proclaiming, "after all what is the life of one 16 year old kid compared to my narcissistic right to pump up my testosterone by going out in my back yard and take potshots at a disabled elderly man, or at kids looking to paper my yard or pilfer copper? Who needs civilization? This is all Obama's fault anyway..."

(Rick1 read up on "false self" in a good text book, what did you see when you looked in the mirror this AM?)

December 14, 2013 at 10:11 a.m.
limric said...

Mmm I don't know Jesse. The country very near came apart at the seams during the Johnson & Nixon period but managed to keep it together.

The biggest difference today is the radical shift of our production (self reliance)to other countries accompanied by the absolute corruption/integration of a corporate/government state.

I do agree however that sort of demonstrations on a massive scale, general tax strike or an insurrection, serfdom may be in the offing.

December 14, 2013 at 10:18 a.m.
caddy said...

Well said, Jackson1961

December 14, 2013 at 10:24 a.m.
GaussianInteger said...

Rick1, your rant about narcissism applies to any politician. There is no other reason to become a politician. You can never do any "real" good, you have already been bought and sold to the highest bidder(s), who generally only worry about their best interest, not ours.

December 14, 2013 at 10:26 a.m.
GaussianInteger said...

Conservative says:

"Well said Jackson 1961"

Caddy says:

"Well said, Jackson1961"

I guess great minds think alike.

December 14, 2013 at 10:29 a.m.
rick1 said...

inquiringmind, your comment about the NRA, gun crazed righties and myself is a classic response from Alinsky's Rules For Radicals.

"Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.”

Only thing you are capable of doing since you can not defend Obama.

December 14, 2013 at 10:39 a.m.
jesse said...

Well Gassious lets hear some "Wisdom " from your upper level brain!Ya got "BETTER ANSWERS"? Let's hearum!!So far all i have heard from you is "Hey everybody look how smart i am!"!!

December 14, 2013 at 10:40 a.m.
dude_abides said...

Take me to your leader.

December 14, 2013 at 10:52 a.m.
jesse said...

Dude,ya just had to get back on here ?? WHY??

December 14, 2013 at 11:09 a.m.
soakya said...

whats_wrong_ with_ the_ world, good video. I think I saw clay, rickyroo, tifosi, and limric in that video hugging one of those trees in the background.

December 14, 2013 at 11:09 a.m.
jesse said...

P.T.? Who Do ya trust? Now ME? i can't thinkj of ONE pol i would trust in a sh!t house w/a muzzle on!!IMO the first step in resolving the prob. in the nation is to put every office holder in the country up against the WALL! Start over from scratch!!

December 14, 2013 at 11:15 a.m.

WWWTH, great vid. Insanity. They should all be institutionalized asap. There has to be something wrong with someone who would behave like that. Get thee to psychiatrist.

Anyone who would cry over trees, but not be sick to their stomach at the 60 million or so abortions in this country since RvW, has something missing. Whether you believe a mother has a right to choose or not, that figure deserves to be slapped with the label of genocide. That's madness. It has nothing to do with a mother's life being in danger, or rape or anything else like that.

Stupid cartoon. There is less and less difference between the GOP and the Democrat Party. The GOP has no balls. They're both part of the Washington establishment, they both want the same thing, which is to become wealthy and gain more power for D.C. That's it. Obagger is good at killing people, and thinking of new and exotic ways to control our lives. Outsiders, like Cruz, or someone like Kucinich, who really want this madness to stop, will never get anywhere. The establishment GOP and Democrats will never allow Washington to relinquish power.

December 14, 2013 at 11:18 a.m.
Maximus said...

The new Pope, 2013 Time Magazine Man Of The Year, is very, very, very anti-abortion. That is one of the few things that I agree with him on. Clay check the TFP and other archives, crime has been around since the beginning of time and although there have been thousands of laws passed to stop it the laws have not been able to stop the evil doers from completing their mission. If anything, we need to stop taking so long to fry, inject, or hang the criminals on death row and return to a justice system that executes on the penalties for crimes faster especially for school shooters. Another thing, Adam Lanza the Sandy Hook school shooter, according to a new book out soon, had demonstrated to his now dead Mom, school officials, and mental health officials that he was violently I'll and obsessed with kill, kill, kill, video games which by the way are so realistic it's easy to see how they could thrill, train and motivate someone with a mental illness to commit a horrendous crime. Finally, Lanza was 18 and legally chose NOT to take his schizo medications. His Mother is actually the one to blame for the Sandy Hook shootings along with the mental health system. Pass all the gun laws you want, they may make you feel good Clay Boy, but they will have little impact in stopping school shootings.

December 14, 2013 at 11:21 a.m.
jesse said...

Max? Now that dude abide is back your life is gonna take a turn toward the outhouse!!He is the left wing answer to all your B/S!Neither one of ya got walkin around sense BUT have B/S down to an art!!LMAO!!

December 14, 2013 at 11:27 a.m.
facyspacy said...

Inquiring mind.... You believe everything you hear on the radio, watch on the news, or see on facebook. You obviously dont know what happened in Georgia with the shooting of the man with Alzheimer's. But feel free to mold it around what you want your politic agenda to be. Or get your ideas from your two mommies

December 14, 2013 at 11:29 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

We live in a sick society that glamorizes and practically worships guns and the sense of individualism and power that they represent. Most sane people see guns for what they are: weapons of destruction that are dangerous and at the very least need heavily regulating and ideally don't even have a place in civilized society. But the gun nuts don't give a damn for civilized, they just want their "freedom" to hunt (even with rapid-fire weapons if they so choose), to kill at will, to pack heat wherever they go, to transform every gun-free zone into a kill zone. They idolize the second amendment, that obscure piece of antiquated, poorly written mumbo-jumbo in the Constitution that can be interpreted practically any way the reader wants to interpret it (it needs changing!) and think that it somehow makes America unique, but all it does is make us friggin' bash!t crazy and the most violent nation on earth as we blow each others' brains out day after day, year after year.

You gun nuts have won. Guns are too entrenched in this society for us to ever have a sane policy that sensibly regulates them. The NRA is too powerful, guns are overly romanticized in movies and the media, and there are too many people who'd rather have the "freedom" to play cowboy or backwoods militia-man or urban gangbanger or to spray bullets at some target range just because it's fun. And this craziness is learned at a very early age without any hope of there being a different mindset in future generations. So, you gun nuts have indeed won. The game is over. Enjoy your "freedom." Now, why don't you celebrate and go shoot some bullets into the air just because you can. And if one or two of those bullets hits an innocent bystander, well, so what? Such is the price of freedom, right? Ain't Amerika great?

December 14, 2013 at 11:36 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

So Jesse. Who is the pol you trust?

December 14, 2013 at 11:36 a.m.
Maximus said...

New Call To Duty Black Ops video game by Infinity Ward and Activision for SONY Playstation, if you call it play, sold over $500 worth of the games on the FIRST DAY of the launch. Say what you want about the pharma industry folks but $500 million in sales for the first YEAR of a drug is good but $500 million on the first day WOW!

SONY stock is up 54% for the year and YES I am an investor in the carnage that is Call To Duty and other SONY backed extremely violent and bloody video games played by both conservatives and liberals the world over. Only in America can you cash in on war without investing in defense stocks! Lol! Come on Clay how about laws against violent gangster rap and video games? Oh the humanity!

December 14, 2013 at 11:43 a.m.
rick1 said...

"guns are overly romanticized in movies and the media"

Gotta love the hypcrosiy of the Hollywood liberals. They are front and center calling for tougher gun control but have no problem making millions of dollars by doing what roo stated.

Liberals believe banning abortions won't stop them from happening, but believes banning all guns will end gun violence.

December 14, 2013 at 11:44 a.m.
carlB said...

Clay, I'm sure that you meant for this cartoon to have multiple messages under the circumstances/ conditions.
There are people who are not for SEX education for preventing unwanted pregnancies and then are against having SEX unless it is for increasing the population. Then as we follow up with the

increasing wage gap, with more people forced into poverty, these same people want to prevent the Government to help or to interfere

with helping create jobs, food supplies or housing. NOT TO mention their preventing helping him with having HEALTHCARE INSURANCE. ALL of which have an effect on these people's health.

December 14, 2013 at 11:46 a.m.
Maximus said...

I was shopping at Bass Pro Shop recently and the Bushmaster AR-15's were selling like hot cakes! Gives you a warm holiday feeling inside. :). MERRY CHRISTMAS Y'ALL!

December 14, 2013 at 11:50 a.m.
limric said...


How – in any rational sense, does the video you offered (which is pretty funny by the way) substantiate your contention that, ”Liberals – still unable to distinguish innocent human life from lumber, livestock, and those convicted of capital crimes.”


How Joepulitzer did ‘LEFT-WING TREEHUGGERs’ get backed into a corner?

Speaking of slinging, could the ”donkey dung slinging treehugger” description be construed as your very own pot calling the kettle black? Hmmm -- Indubitably!

So it is true. RWNJ’s (such as it is) are mullet head wife beating Busch Ice swilling gas sucking hoof hunting Bambi shelling raw meat masticating Suburban driving Luddites.

December 14, 2013 at 11:59 a.m.
prairie_dog said...

Most violent criminals and ALL of the recent school shooters have been LIBERAL DEMOCRATS. It's the LIBERAL DEMOCRATS who have devalued human life by allowing wholesale slaughter of unborn children for the sake of contraception.

So, the solution seems obvious. All Democrats should turn in their weapons. Problem solved.

December 14, 2013 at 11:59 a.m.
limric said...

Smith & Wesson M&P15 is a better rifle.

December 14, 2013 at noon
limric said...

"So, the solution seems obvious. All Democrats should turn in their weapons."

Or be exterminated? Y'now - like all of Germany's problems leading to National Socialism was the fault of the Jews. Right?

That's what you REALLY wanted to say. Isn't it!

December 14, 2013 at 12:05 p.m.
tifosi said...

Another toddler is dead from a gunshot injury that occurred when he found his parents' gun on a counter and shot and killed himself. From an article:

Police responded to the scene after 6 p.m. where they found the boy inside the home suffering from a gun shot wound to the head. The child was then rushed to Riley Hospital for Children in critical condition and later died of his injuries.

Investigators have indicated that they believe the child accidentally shot himself in the head after he pulled the gun off a kitchen counter.

A neighbor to the family said "I've known they had guns; they've carried them in public on their side, they've got permits for them and I just thought they always were a little bit more responsible than that," The child lived in Indiana.

Every gun in the hands of a child must first pass through the hands of an adult.

December 14, 2013 at 12:08 p.m.
tifosi said...

Prairie Dog said: "ALL of the recent school shooters have been LIBERAL DEMOCRATS."

Bull shyte! Prove it liar.

The Newtown killer was the son of a member of the NRA. Who by the way, stupidly left her firearms unsecured. How many unsecured guns lying around your house PD? Stupid is as stupid does.

December 14, 2013 at 12:12 p.m.
prairie_dog said...

Limric, what I really wanted to say is that all those Democrats who are shooting each other downtown should become responsible, self-supporting and honest people.

I've handled guns since I was six years old (under adult supervision) and owned them since I was 15 years old, and I never shot a person yet, or allowed anyone else to shoot themselves or anyone else with my guns. That's not a coincidence.

It looks like the Liberal Democrats are doing a fine job of exterminating each other, and that's a choice. We live in a democracy, right?

December 14, 2013 at 12:17 p.m.
prairie_dog said...

Oh, okay, yes Adam Lanza was not a liberal democrat.

That is my mistake.

He was a certified nut case, crazy, loon, violent criminally insane stain on humanity. So was his mother, to have guns around a kid like that.

Liberal Democrats made it impossible to lock up people like him before they committed crimes. Back at you.

December 14, 2013 at 12:25 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Joneses, I think you're a raving lunatic 99.99% of the time but I must say that I agree with your last post, at least that part about Obama and his reprehensible record regarding foreign policy and his insistence on continuing to fan the flames of this mostly fabricated "war on terror." But you are dead-wrong when you say that no libs dare to call him out for it. I have seen many lefties speak out against him and I myself have done so. I hate his abhorrent anything-goes drone policy, his support for the NDAA and continued strengthening of Homeland Security, his weak stance on torture or rather his apparent acceptance of its continuation as one of the tools in our arsenal against terrorism, his refusal to shut down Gitmo like he promised he would, his dragging out the war in Afghanistan instead of bringing it to an immediate halt like he should have and could have if he really wanted to. I believe that he either lied outright in his campaign promises, or he is so afraid of the military and corporate powers-that-be that he would rather err on the side of brute hawkishness than appear to be a true peace-maker.

I find it interesting that you and so many righties are speaking out against him on these things, though. Normally you can't be too hawkish for you guys and if it were Bush and Cheney still in office you'd be backing them all the way for torturing, droning, staying in Afghanistan, spying on the average American, and doing anything and everything in the "war on terror." But it's obvious that because it's Obama doing these things now, it's somehow inexcusable. Who is the real hypocrite, jonesie?

December 14, 2013 at 12:27 p.m.
soakya said...

the only entity with too much power is the government. all other entities get their power or right to exist from the government.

December 14, 2013 at 12:29 p.m.
prairie_dog said...

Governments get their right to exist from the people they govern. Nobody can stay at the top without help from the bottom.

December 14, 2013 at 12:44 p.m.
Maximus said...

Rickapoo so it is back to Bush again........boring. Tifosi, are you a video gamer and the shootings you referred to are very, very, isolated incidences. No bottom line, you and many on this forum including Clay for some reason, want more centralized control of the lives of Americans. Whether its the bogus global warming/climate change lie, which by the way is just another tax and control play by the social justice Democrats, or gun control that my friends is the key word, CONTROL.

As for me and my house we prefer freedom, Browning, Smith and Wesson, and of course the All-Americans.....Winchester and Colt. For fancy over under and double barrel shotguns....Beretta ain't bad.

December 14, 2013 at 12:48 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

WWWTW, if that video of tree-hugging hippies is for real, then even most libs are squeamish over such hyper-sensitivity. And if those whiners are for real they represent only a miniscule faction of the utter-utter-uttermost extreme of environmentalists. That is the problem with you RWNJs - you are portray ALL liberals as the uttermost extremists in all things, when in reality very few liberals are that way. Most liberals are not Marxists or Communists or tree-hugging whiners but just average folks who happen to recognize the fact that the free market cannot regulate itself and there's nothing wrong with sensible regulation.

I could show countless videos of the goons from the Westboro Baptist Church and try to portray all Christians as being like that but I know that's not so. Or I could show the video of that tea-party woman stupidly screaming for the government to "keep its hands off my Medicare" and try to portray all conservatives as stupid as that (oh wait...most of them ARE like that!), but I don't do that. You, on the other hand, think that you are accomplishing something by showing a small band of lunatic hippies crying over some trees. Hope that makes you feel better. We'll never get at the truth of anything if you keep clinging to your stereotypes and caricatures.

December 14, 2013 at 12:55 p.m.
MickeyRat said...


Well, you got the first sentence right. But...

“Liberal Democrats made it impossible to lock up people like him before they committed crimes.”


”He was a certified nut case, crazy, loon, violent criminally insane stain on humanity.”

Not before the crime. Your accusation/conflation is a red herring. BOGUS.

Adam Lanza was diagnosed in with Asperger syndrome, an autism-like disorder that is not usually associated with violence. There was NO evidence Adam Lanza voiced or gave any indication to others that he intended to commit such a crime himself.

Thus there was no need for institutionalization.

December 14, 2013 at 1:01 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Like it or not, Maxie, Bush has earned a spot (more like a huge blemish actually) in the history of this nation. Consequently he is going to be talked about for as long as people talk about politics and American history. So get used to the fact that his name will never cease to be uttered. Now, 'nuff said. Don't want to waste any more of my time today on fools like you. Enjoy your toys that go boom. Ride 'em, cowboy.

December 14, 2013 at 1:18 p.m.
conservative said...

nucanuck inspired me with this thought:

Living in a society without Liberals should be an aspiration for all humans. In the meantime, sit back and accept the carnage.

December 14, 2013 at 1:26 p.m.
tifosi said...

So... Prairie Dog. Looks like MickeyRat caught you another lie. Oh yeah another mistake. You seem to do that a lot.

Are all your guns locked in a safe, or at least with a gun lock on it?

Before you go claiming I am an "ignorant liberal" that doesn't know about gun safety, I have probably sent more rounds downrange than you ever will.

Prairie Dog also said: "Governments get their right to exist from the people they govern. Nobody can stay at the top without help from the bottom."

Then you accept the American people's decision to elect and re-elect President Obama.

December 14, 2013 at 1:36 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

"Well Gassious lets hear some "Wisdom " from your upper level brain!Ya got "BETTER ANSWERS"? Let's hearum!!So far all i have heard from you is "Hey everybody look how smart i am!"!!"

Yeah I have better answers. Quit looking towards a particular political party to be the savior of the country. It makes good TV ratings, but does nothing to further us as a country. Of course, only about 10% of the country pays attention to what is going on and looks at things with an open, non-politically-unbiased eye, so maybe we are screwed. But the fact we are screwed has nothing to do with who occupies, or who occupied the White House.

December 14, 2013 at 1:40 p.m.
tifosi said...

A 5 year old New Hampshire boy was "playing with a gun" at 2:30 a.m. and shot himself in the lower extremity. From an article:

The couple told officers the child was playing with a handgun, which belongs to Bishop.

The child was treated for non-life-threatening injuries at the Elliot Hospital after the shooting was reported at 2:30 a.m. at 420 Spruce St., police said.

Police said the injuries were to the child's lower extremity.

Manchester police seized the .22-caliber handgun and said the incident is under investigation.

And further, the owner of the gun has issued an unusual public statement criticizing people who have made comments about the incident, stating that the incident was an "ACCIDENT".

Every gun in the hands of a child must first pass through the hands of an adult.

December 14, 2013 at 1:41 p.m.
tifosi said...

Two 3 year old children found an unsecured gun in a North Carolina home. One of them shot and injured the other. From an article:

A 3-year-old girl was taken to the hospital after apparently being accidentally shot by another 3-year-old child Tuesday afternoon, Randolph County deputies said.

The incident was reported around 12:45 p.m. at a home on Cameron Circle in Asheboro. The condition of the child wasn't immediately known.

An adult woman told deputies she was cleaning when she heard a shot fired from another room. The woman entered the other room, where children were playing, and found the girl shot.

December 14, 2013 at 1:42 p.m.
tifosi said...

A 10 year old Arkansas boy was shot in the stomach by his sibling. From an article:

Cross County Sheriff J. R. Smith says the 10 year old was shot with a .22-caliber pistol in the stomach area at a home east of Wynne, off Hwy. 64. The child was flown to Le Bonheur Children's Hospital while his injuries do not appear to be life-threatening.

December 14, 2013 at 1:43 p.m.
tifosi said...

A 4 year old North Carolina boy found a gun at his home and shot and killed himself:

Fayetteville police said officers responded to 1608 Stanford Court around 10:45 a.m. in reference to a child being shot. Upon arrival, emergency responders performed life-saving techniques on Killian Perez but the he was pronounced dead at the scene.

An investigation revealed the boy located and retrieved a loaded handgun that was stored on the top of a refrigerator. Police said the child then was able to manipulate the gun and shot himself.

December 14, 2013 at 1:43 p.m.
Maximus said...

Tifosi...laws would have not prevented any of the stupidity you are reporting. As America's poet Ron White can't fix stupid including you Tiffany.l

And Rickaroo, your homey, and I have to type this at least once a day folks, Barry The Welfare Pimp, will go down in history for his Crappy healthcare scheme Obamacare. In the years ahead the phrase will be used like....."Wow I'm stuffed. I need to go take a big Obamacare! Honey, did you buy some toilet paper. I'm gonna need a LOT for this Obamacare. Whew and I just let a nasty smelling Bengazi!"

December 14, 2013 at 2:21 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Regarding WWWTW's reference to King Herod: Most of the characters in the Bible are fictional. King Herod, however, was the real deal. There really was a King Herod and the writings of the historians of that era support that fact. But there is no mention whatsoever from any historian about Herod slaughtering male children, or any children at all for that matter. Funny how it's ONLY in the Bible - so that "what was spoken by the prophet Jeremiah" could be "fulfilled." That, like Noah and the flood or Moses and the parting of the Red Sea or Jesus dying on a cross and rising from the dead, is baloney. Pure myth.

December 14, 2013 at 2:31 p.m.
tifosi said...

Who the hell said anything about "laws" Maxi-Coward? Haven't you learned how to read??? Or is it just selective reading??? Children are dying needlessly or do you just not care?

Lock the damn guns up!!! Just like any soldier is taught in basic training. If it is not within arms reach, it is under lock and key. A gun in the bedside drawer or on "top of the refrigerator" does you absolutely no good when you are sitting in the easy chair with the remote control.

If Mrs. Lanza had just locked up her guns, we would not be having this conversation at this time.

This is what Clay Bennett was referring to. Republicans bemoaning about the unborn... yet once they are born it is open-season.

December 14, 2013 at 2:38 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Tifosi says " I have probably sent more rounds downrange than you ever will." Did they make a big ol' pink splash, Tiffy? Or Lavender? Don't forget your goggles, sonny.

December 14, 2013 at 2:49 p.m.
tifosi said...

Yeah a big ol' pink splash is what these toys will do. You can even see that pretty red tracer when it is coming at you.

December 14, 2013 at 3:17 p.m.
prairie_dog said...

The one thing I don't need to do is lie to prove a point. I admitted I made a mistake. That doesn't change the fact that the kids who did the Denver shootings were all from liberal families.

People have guns in their homes because they are afraid of intruders. When was the last time you found a gang of right-wing criminals going house to house, robbing and brutalizing the occupants?

I've sent thousands of rounds "downrange" during my service in the military, and I'm sure that practice will serve me well if I have a need to use force.

Rat, Adam Lanza should have been institutionalized for his own welfare and safety before his killing spree. Read up on him and his case history. At the very least, leaving him alone to play violent video games for weeks at a time should have been a warning to SOMEONE. His mother had no choice but to keep him at home. Oh, and she was basically a nut case herself.

I never owned anything except a shotgun, used for hunting, in my whole life until my life was threatened by a criminal. The law enforcement agency involved in the case advised me to obtain a hand gun and keep it handy because of my circumstances at the time (working in an isolated area). I was 30 minutes from help by 911, at the soonest.

Parents who fail to lock up guns should go to jail. Allowing a gun to be accessed by a minor, resulting in death or injury, should be punished as 2nd Degree Murder, or attempted 2nd Degree Murder.

If all you guys can agree to let the National Guard go house to house through town, checking every home, every car, and every hiding place, and confiscate all the guns that are not legally possessed and properly locked up, then you can have mine too. Deal?

December 14, 2013 at 3:34 p.m.
Maximus said...

Uhhhhhh it's only Republicans who can't seem to practice gun safety? Have you taken your meds today? I think Clay's feminine as usual dig was at our 2nd Ammendment rights and not your gun safety rants. I hope your Mommie keeps you away from guns.

Can you imagine Clay Bennett being your Dad? Talk about a kid filled with weakness and guilt for being an American! Come to think of it the kid would be just like.....wait for it......Barry The Welfare Pimp Make The Economy Work For Everyone Genie. :)))))))

December 14, 2013 at 3:40 p.m.
tifosi said...

PD: Since you are a veteran, then you know proper security of a firearm is instinct. The NRA will not do anything to promote this simple act of safety. It is in their manual. If they would spend one-tenth of the money they spend on lobbyists fighting gun control, it would go a long way to neutralizing many of those that are demanding gun control.

Time to change your bleeding Maxipad pussy.

December 14, 2013 at 3:44 p.m.
Maximus said...

M1 Abrams tank kickin ass In Iraq video kind of gave me a stiffie. Reminded me of when we had a President with balls that knew how to win wars instead of the coward we have now that knows how to retreat, take selfies, and go on tax payer financed vacations.

December 14, 2013 at 3:49 p.m.
tifosi said...

Maxipad would piss in his pants with the first round from a 120mm smoothbore.

December 14, 2013 at 3:51 p.m.
Maximus said...

Tifosi...your NRA rant makes you a complete idiot. NRA is all about gun safety.

December 14, 2013 at 3:53 p.m.
tifosi said...

BULL SHYTE. Show me one ad about properly securing your firearms paid for by the NRA.

December 14, 2013 at 3:56 p.m.
tifosi said...

A 5 year old Texas boy has died of gunshot injuries after finding a gun in his home and shooting himself. From an article:

A 5-year-old boy was found killed by a single-shot wound to the head in Vidor at approximately 2:45 p.m. Monday.

According to Chief Deputy Clint Hodgkinson with the Orange County Sheriff's Office, they received a call to the at approximately 2:45 p.m. on a call of an unresponsive child on Scott Drive in North Vidor.

Investigators say the shooting happened in the 1200 block of Roberts Road. The child was being watched by a babysitter at his parent's home when the shooting occurred.

December 14, 2013 at 4:01 p.m.
tifosi said...

2 year old North Carolina toddler shoots herself with gun found in home

A 2 year old North Carolina girl found a gun in her home and shot herself. She died from the injuries. From an article:

A 2-year-old girl is dead after accidentally shooting herself with a handgun inside a North Carolina home, according to multiple reports.

Police said the girl, who was nicknamed "Coco," found a loaded handgun and that it discharged, local NBC affiliate WNCN-TV reported. She was at the home with her aunt and grandmother at the time.

December 14, 2013 at 4:02 p.m.
tifosi said...

A 3-year-old boy from Kansas City, Missouri found a loaded, unlocked handgun on his father's bed. According to reports:

Police say the 3-year-old boy accidentally shot himself in the stomach, after the boy's father left a loaded handgun lying on his bed. Just before 7 p.m. Monday night, the boy's father, Nate Steward, 34, said he returned home from the store with his 3-year-old son and 10-year-old daughter.

As Steward walked into his home with his children, he told police the handgun he was carrying inside his pants started to fall down his leg. Steward says he got into his house quickly so the gun would not fall out of his pants. Once inside, he says he placed the loaded handgun on his bed in the bedroom while his kids were in the living room and kitchen. The father then went to the back door to let one of his dogs out. While outside with the dog, Steward told police he heard a gunshot inside the home. He went back in to find his 3-year-old son bleeding and holding his stomach. The boy fell to the floor and Steward picked him up and rushed him to Children's Mercy Hospital in his own car.

The boy had surgery and should recover.

Police said when they arrived at the hospital they saw Steward's gun in plain view on the passenger seat of his car. The doors were unlocked and the windows rolled down. Anyone could have grabbed the gun.

December 14, 2013 at 4:03 p.m.
tifosi said...

I have yet to hear the NRA even suggest what Prairie Dog (and I) feels should happen to stupid gun owners that result in senseless deaths of children. Too any time law enforcement says "They have been punished enough by their loss". Put the stupid SOB behind bars for 30 years.

December 14, 2013 at 4:06 p.m.
tifosi said...

A 4-year-old boy from La Plata, Maryland was playing outside his home. His grandmother was watching him. According to the police report:

The grandmother reported that the boy got into a car which was parked in the driveway and suddenly she heard a gunshot. The child ran to her and she noticed he had an injury to his head.

The child was flown to a hospital where it was learned he had a graze wound.

A computer check revealed the gun - a 9mm semi-automatic handgun - is registered to a member of the child's family. At this point, it is not clear why the gun was in the car and the investigation is continuing.

It should be noted that Maryland is one of the few states that requires registration of handguns. In the majority of states the police would not have been able to run a computer check on the gun to determine ownership.

December 14, 2013 at 4:07 p.m.
tifosi said...

A 3 year old found a loaded gun on the kitchen table in his home and shot himself in the chest. From an article:

A Horseshoe Bay boy is in critical condition after he accidentally shot himself in the chest Thursday, Horseshoe Bay Police said.

He was transported by ambulance to Dell Children's Hospital where he had his right lung removed. HSBPD say the 3-year-old boy's parents and a neighbor drove him to meet the ambulance on Thanksgiving Mountain.

Police went back to the victim's home with his parents where they found a loaded handgun on the kitchen table. The parents told police their son picked up the gun and it went off. They declined investigators' initial attempt to search the home.

After obtaining a search warrant, investigators learned the handgun they found was not the weapon involved in the shooting. They also uncovered more conflicting information.

One account said the victim's father hid the weapon in brush away from his house, but a search of the area didn't yield any results.

The suspected weapon was later found in a neighbor's home. Police say they found three handguns and a rifle that were taken there after the shooting.

Every gun in the hands of a child must first pass through the hands of an adult.

December 14, 2013 at 4:09 p.m.
tifosi said...

6 year old Wisconsin boy shoots 3 year old sister in face; father tells boy to lie about shooting

A 6 year old Wisconsin boy who had access to a loaded gun, shot his 3 year old sister in the face on August 30 of this year. His father told him to change his story about how the little girl was shot. From an article:

A Wisconsin dad is under fire for allegedly telling his 6-year-old son to lie about shooting his 4-year-old sister in the face.

The incident happened Aug. 30 in Alma, Wis., when the boy allegedly found a loaded shotgun and pointed it at the girl. The gun discharged, striking the girl in the right side of her head, WKBT reported.

The girl's injuries were deemed non-life-threatening, but on Monday investigators charged the father, Fred Maphis, with leaving a loaded firearm near a child and obstructing an officer by telling the son to lie about the shooting, the LaCrosse Tribune reported. Further in the article:

The boy's mother told investigators that her son had been trained to use firearms since he was 3 and even had his own .22 caliber rifle that he was allowed to shoot with adult supervision, reported.

Maphis insisted that he had just forgotten to unload and secure the shotgun.

December 14, 2013 at 4:10 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

"When was the last time you found a gang of right-wing criminals going house to house, robbing and brutalizing the occupants?"

Prairie Dog, I honestly can't recall any news source providing the political party of any criminal.

December 14, 2013 at 4:10 p.m.
tifosi said...

I don't give a d@amn whether it is a Republican, Democrat, Socialist or Communist. The senseless and often reckless handling of firearms by legal gun owners is beyond reprehensible. It is murder, plain and simple.

December 14, 2013 at 4:12 p.m.
MickeyRat said...

”That doesn't change the fact that the kids who did the Denver shootings were all from liberal families.”

Irrelevant. A red herring.

December 14, 2013 at 4:18 p.m.
tifosi said...
December 14, 2013 at 4:36 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

^^^^^^. Irrelevant. A red herring.

December 14, 2013 at 4:49 p.m.
tifosi said...

The snipe is back. Never has the courage to post anything of substance. Must be afraid someone else might snipe him/her.

Critics hide in the hills while the battle rages. Then descend on the wounded.

December 14, 2013 at 5 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Snipe away, Tiffy. And btw, what makes you think your posts are " of substance"? Anyone can post links.

December 14, 2013 at 5:11 p.m.
tifosi said...

Charlotte Bacon, 6

Charlotte Bacon, who would have turned 7 in February, was anything but shy.

She was smart, outgoing, precocious and persistent, said her uncle, John Hagen, of Minneapolis.

“She had a big personality. She could carry on a conversation with any adult. She challenged my sister every day. She knew how to get what she wanted.”

Case in point: Charlotte’s mother, Joann, bought her a pink dress and white boots for the holidays. Charlotte had been begging to wear her new outfit early. On the last day of Charlotte’s life, her mom finally gave in.

Another story that stands out in Hagen’s mind: the time the Bacons were vacationing with extended family at a lake. Charlotte was 4 or 5. “I watched her jump off a pontoon into the water without any hesitation,” Hagen said. “She just did it.”

Charlotte had curly, dark red hair. She loved the color pink and going to school. She was so smart, Hagen said, that her parents were thinking about putting her in a special private school because they worried she wasn’t being challenged enough. “This girl was definitely going places,” her uncle said.

Charlotte was born in the Chicago area, a couple of years before Joann and husband Joel relocated to Connecticut. Joann is a stay-at-home mom. Joel, who holds a doctorate, works in New York. Their 9-year-old son, Guy, also was at Sandy Hook on Friday but wasn’t harmed.

Despite having only one sibling, Charlotte had a big family. Joel is one of three brothers. His parents are retired missionaries who now live close to him. Joann, who grew up in Minnesota, is the youngest of six children.

Charlotte also loved being a girl scout, and her mom was her troop leader.

“There were 10 girls in the group,” Hagen said. “Only five are left.”

December 14, 2013 at 5:33 p.m.
tifosi said...

Daniel Barden, 7

Daniel Barden was an active first-grader and the beloved youngest son of his doting mother and father, Mark and Jackie. “Daniel was fearless in his pursuit of happiness and life,” his family wrote in a statement released to the media. “He earned his ripped jeans and missing two front teeth.”

“He embodied everything that is wholesome and innocent in the world,” the statement said. “Our hearts break over losing him and for the many other families suffering loss.”

The Bardens are often shuttling their children from one activity to the next, said friends, colleagues and neighbors who admired their ability to keep up with their children’s active schedule. This summer, Daniel scored the final goal in the last game of the soccer season. He loved to swim, and his mother’s Facebook page featured a photo of her three children smiling at the beach. On Sunday morning, she posted a public note on Facebook saying, “Thank you for all your thoughts and prayers.”

Jackie Barden is a second-grade teacher at Pawling Elementary School in Pawling, N.Y. She is one of the school district’s reading specialists.

“She is a wonderful mom,” said Lynn Maloney, who teaches second grade in the classroom next to Barden’s. “She was extremely close to her children. She’s a teacher and I’m a teacher, and children are really the centers of our world. She adored her family, and I am sure she must be devastated, like any mom.”

It was around 9:30 a.m. when Barden learned there was a tragedy at her son’s elementary school, colleagues said. A guidance counselor drove a shaken Barden back to Connecticut, where she learned about the loss of her 7-year-old son.

Jackie’s husband, Mark Barden, is a rock guitarist who plays at places such as Proud Mary’s, a local bar, according to Javier Mendizabal, who works there.A forum was set up on a message board called to offer condolences. One man referred to Mark Barden as a “kind, gentle and humble man, as well as one of the most talented guitarists I know.”

On Saturday, friends and family members gathered in the Sandy Hook section of Newtown to visit the Bardens. A local pastor prayed with them.

Daniel’s brother, James, and sister, Natalie, are listed as ages 12 and 10 on a bio on Jackie Barden’s school Web page.The bio says the family has a pet ball python named Todd and a tortoise named Queenie.

A private wake will be held for Daniel on Tuesday, with the funeral on the following day.

Even for neighbors who did not know them intimately, such as Peter Bernson, there is an image they would see each morning they are sure they will miss — a smiling, laughing boy with a reddish-brown mop top and missing two front teeth, hoisted on his father’s shoulders, headed to the school bus stop.

December 14, 2013 at 5:33 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

tifosi said...

Every gun in the hands of a child must first pass through the hands of an adult.

Children are dying needlessly or do you just not care?

should happen to stupid gun owners that result in senseless deaths of children. Too any time law enforcement says "They have been punished enough by their loss". Put the stupid SOB behind bars for 30 years.

It is murder, plain and simple.

Children are dying needlessly at a much much greater rate and total from causes other than by accidental gun deaths or do you just not care? Would you apply the same penalties for the other accidental deaths as you would to gun owners? By your own definition they are also murder plain and simple ... Right? I guess in your case it’s “Stupid is as stupid does”.

Every death of a child is a terrible tragedy but they are a reality of the human condition. You seem to be inordinately fixated only on accidental gun deaths which is last on the list of causes. I don’t know if it’s ego stroking on your part are only a lack of perspective.

From the National Center for Health Statistics - 2007

Causes of Death, Ages 0-19 (For the age group you reference the totals would be about one half the listed totals)

Natural = 36,272

Unintentional Injury = 11,560

Homicide = 3,345

Suicide = 1,665

Accidental firearm deaths fall under the Unintentional Injury group with a total of 138 for a mortality rate of 0.2 / 100,000.

Motor Vehicle = 6,683

Drowning = 1,056

Fire/Burn = 544

Poisoning = 972

Firearm = 138

Maybe a post, every now and then, on safe driving, seat belts, and fenced-in pools would be a greater aid to prevent unnecessary childhood deaths ... don’t you think so? But they're not sexy enough ... are they?

December 14, 2013 at 5:47 p.m.
conservative said...

It has been reported that Owebama has surpassed Bill Clinton in generating gun sales.

I believe no individual has generated more gun sales than Owebama.

December 14, 2013 at 5:55 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Pretty sure Tiffy is off his meds.

December 14, 2013 at 6:01 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

tifosi said...

I have probably sent more rounds downrange than you ever will.

Yeah a big ol' pink splash is what these toys will do. You can even see that pretty red tracer when it is coming at you. (Accompanied by photo of a very big mean looking tank)

Maxipad would piss in his pants with the first round from a 120mm smoothbore.

Looks like someone is suffering from the “Big Gun Compensation Complex”

December 14, 2013 at 6:01 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

You’ve got to be as low as whale sh!t to exploit the death of children to score debating points .... don’t the rest of you think so?

December 14, 2013 at 6:04 p.m.
dude_abides said...

I think tifosi was just sticking to the subject of the preponderance of the thread. I don't think tifosi has to post on anything else in this big ole world "now and then" to make a more salient point. Do drownings count against the gun related body count?

December 14, 2013 at 6:10 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

nucanuck said...

The latest drone strike in Yemen, killing many in a wedding party, illustrates clearly that US policy for dispute resolution is one of death and destruction. For the last twelve years American media has been full of acts of US government terrorism on peoples who pose no real threat to the US. With this kind of national attitude toward others, why should home grown young shooters be surprising? America has become a culture of guns and death. The evidence is everywhere.

What I can’t understand is that with all of that widely known evidence; the U.S.’s very close neighbor, the saintly and pure Canada and her self-righteous citizens, is also complicit in these activities. Obviously aware of the U.S. crimes against humanity they have made no serious attempt to aid in bringing the evil U.S. to justice in any international court of justice. I guess when you get to the bottom line “enablers” are just as guilty and evil.... don’t you agree? Maybe your move really didn't cleanse you of your native sins after all.

December 14, 2013 at 6:25 p.m.
rick1 said...

Jt6gR3hM, I agree tifosi is exploiting the deaths of the children look at the comment he posted earlier.

tifosi posted "If Mrs. Lanza had just locked up her guns, we would not be having this conversation at this time."

tifosi, what proof do you have that Adam Lanza would not have killed those children if his mother had locked up her guns? He could have broken into the safe or broken off the trigger locks, he could have barricaded the children in the room and set the room on fire, he could have set off a bomb.

So please show the proof the tragedy at Sandy Hook would not have happened if she had locked up her guns.

Whenever there is a bombing people blame the bomber, but whenever there is a shooting people blame the gun.

December 14, 2013 at 6:26 p.m.
tifosi said...

Olivia Engel, 6

In nearly every Facebook photograph of Olivia Rose Engel, the 6-year-old girl is smiling.

In one photo, she is wearing a ladybug costume, her cheeks flushed and scrunched up in a grin. In another, she is standing in front of a Christmas tree, stopping mid-decoration to pose for the camera. In yet another, she is dressed in white, light streaming through a window behind her.

“Beautiful little angel,” commented a Facebook friend.

Olivia was one of 20 students who died in Friday’s mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown. She is survived by her parents, Brian and Shannon Engel, and her 3-year-old brother, Brayden.

Her parents and other family members declined requests for interviews over the weekend, but Brian Engel released a statement about his daughter.

Olivia’s favorite colors were pink and purple, he said. Her favorite stuffed animal was a lamb. She loved school and did well in math and reading. She liked to draw and took art classes. She played tennis and soccer, and liked musical theater.

Olivia was a Daisy Girl Scout, enjoyed swimming, and took dance lessons in ballet and hip hop

She was an active member of her family’s church, St. Rose of Lima Catholic Church in Newtown, where she was supposed to appear in a Nativity play Saturday night; she was supposed to play the part of an angel. Every night, she led grace at her family’s dinner table.

“She was insightful for her age and had a great sense of humor,” the family statement said. “She was a grateful child who was always appreciative and never greedy… She was a 6-year-old who had a lot to look forward to.”

On Saturday, family friends created a memorial page on Facebook in Olivia’s memory and set up a fund so people could make donations to the Engel family. Well wishes from friends and strangers, as well as numerous photographs made the rounds on the social networking site.

Family pictures were tradition for the Engel family, who at least twice this year met with photographer Tim Nosenzo for portraits. Over the summer they gathered at the Saugatuck Harbor Yacht Club in Westport, Conn., where the family posed for photos at the club, along the shore and on a boat.

“Always a nice way to spend a summer morning,” Nosenzo wrote on his professional Web site, where he posted the images last month.

In November, Nosenzo photographed the family again — this time for what Nosenzo described as “our annual Christmas card photo shoot” in Tarrywile Park in Danbury, Conn.

“This is a tragedy beyond understanding,” Nosenzo wrote on his Web site Saturday.

Olivia’s wake has been scheduled for 4 to 7 p.m. Thursday at Honan Funeral Home in Newtown. Her funeral Mass will take place at 1 p.m. Friday at St. Rose of Lima Catholic Church.

December 14, 2013 at 6:42 p.m.
tifosi said...

Josephine Gay, 7

In a photo taken not too long ago, Josephine Grace Gay was captured seemingly mid-giggle, with her glasses perched precariously on the tip of her nose, a smile spread across her face, and what appeared to be a lime-green traffic cone atop her head.

She had “playful spirit” and a “loving heart,” her family wrote in an obituary published in the Newtown Bee newspaper.

Josephine was killed just three days after celebrating her seventh birthday. Survivors include her parents, Bob and Michele Gay; her sisters, Sophia and Marie; and three grandparents.

Her family will gather Saturday for her memorial service at St. Rose of Lima Roman Catholic Church in Newtown, Conn. In her obituary, her family asked those attending to wear purple clothing. Purple was Josephine’s favorite color.

December 14, 2013 at 6:43 p.m.
fairmon said...

GaussianInteger said...

Maybe "ego and power". Definitely not "money",

It is always about money. Where to, to whom and how much may not be obvious but it is always about the money.

December 14, 2013 at 6:48 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

librul said...

The teabaggers are irrelevant and their billionaire puppeteers are exposed as the hateful, greed merchants that they are; their radical little squirrels in the Congress cannot avoid spouting illogical craziness ; and the "traditional conservatives" who have now had enough of them have got their knives out. Let the games begin!

Those of us on the far left have the best seats in the place because there might soon scarcely be anything left of their fascist arses.

You mentioning the supposedly irrelevance of the Tea Party got me to thinking about the relevance of you Fleabaggers on the “far” left. I was thinking of a comparable group to the Tea Party on your end of the political spectrum. Then it dawned on me I couldn’t remember the group’s title as they have had such a zero impact on the body politic. I had to Google to find their title ... Oh Yeah, it’s “Occupy Wall Street”. Man did they leave an indelible impact just before they completely evaporated in a cloud of rancid smog ... Right?

December 14, 2013 at 7:18 p.m.
tifosi said...

Dylan Hockley, 6

Dylan Hockley smiles online in a series of family photos. He’s Shrek, his mom writes. Or he’s “Super Dylan” — posed in a Superman outfit. In other images, he poses with his brother, Jake.

Dylan, 6, was one of the pupils at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., slain Friday in the second-deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history.

Dylan had lived across Yogananda Street from where the violence began. His neighbor, Nancy Lanza, was the mother of the suspected shooter — and apparently the first person killed Friday.

December 14, 2013 at 7:32 p.m.
tifosi said...

Madeleine Hsu, 6

Each afternoon when the school bus pulled up, Madeleine Hsu’s mother and little sister would be waiting for her. Mother and daughter always greeted each other with hugs, said Karen Dryer, a neighbor.

“They were clearly very close and loved each other very much,” said Dryer, who knew the 6-year-old as “Maddy.”

Maddy, Dryer said, was “a beautiful, gentle soul who was taken way too early.” Shy and sweet, the first-grader would light up when she got a chance to pet Eli, Dryer’s golden retriever, at the bus stop between their houses.

Attempts to reach Maddy’s family and other neighbors were unsuccessful. A state trooper in the family’s driveway told Dryer that the family wanted him there because they did not want to deal with the media.

Memorial Web pages appeared on Facebook and, but they did not appear to be connected to the Hsu family. The only publicly visible online comment that appeared to come from Maddy’s family came in the form of a hauntingly simple photograph.

A Facebook account belonging to Arline Arnold, believed to be related to Maddy, had its profile picture changed Friday night to show a young girl smiling brightly. In the picture, a pink bow in the young girl’s hair matched the pink sweater she wore. Several people commenting on the photo offered their condolences.

Maddy and her family had moved to the neighborhood only in the past year or two, so Dryer did not know them that well. She just knew what she saw at the bus stop.

Dryer’s son, Logan, rode the bus with Maddy; he was a kindergartner at Sandy Hook Elementary School but was out sick on the day of the massacre.

Maddy would play with Eli, and her mother would laugh and say that she loved dogs. And then Maddy would go into her mother’s arms, into the family’s minivan and down the long driveway to their home.

December 14, 2013 at 7:32 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

inquiringmind said...

(Rick1 read up on "false self" in a good text book, what did you see when you looked in the mirror this AM?)

So did you find “yourself” when Deepac and Oprah took you on a journey of discovery to see the Maharishi?

Talk about mindless irrational spirituality ... Right?

December 14, 2013 at 7:43 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

GaussianInteger said...

Rick1, your rant about narcissism applies to any politician. There is no other reason to become a politician. You can never do any "real" good, you have already been bought and sold to the highest bidder(s), who generally only worry about their best interest, not ours.

A very interesting take ... it almost screams limited governmental intrusion in our daily lives ... don’t you think so?

December 14, 2013 at 8:01 p.m.
tifosi said...

Arkansas 3 year old finds gun and shoots himself

There's been another accidental gun discharge, killing a 3 year old in Arkansas. From an article:

This morning a family is grieving the loss of a three-year-old little boy who accidentally shot and killed himself.

It happened Sunday afternoon on Kerr Station Road in Lonoke County.

Detectives say the boy was at a neighbor's house, when he followed a man into the bedroom.

As the man took out his contact lenses, investigators say the toddler grabbed a loaded gun off the nightstand and pulled the trigger.

Lt. Jim Kulsea said, "Any gun, doesn't matter if it has a safety or not, make sure it's not anywhere where a child can reach it or get to it."

Lonoke County Sheriff's detectives believe this was an accident but they're still investigating it.

After they're finished, the case will be turned over to the district attorney who will decide if any charges should be filed.

Every gun in the hands of a child must first pass through the hands of an adult.

December 14, 2013 at 8:18 p.m.
prairie_dog said...


It was my job to fly into the fight without weapons to shoot back. Try your luck in a helicopter instead of a tank, and then we'll talk about who bleeds, and how.

December 14, 2013 at 8:19 p.m.
tifosi said...

Catherine Hubbard, 6

Besides her red hair, Catherine Violet Hubbard’s most striking characteristic was her love of animals. She wanted to protect and care for them — an ambition the first-grader is fulfilling even in death.

In her memory, her parents, Jennifer and Matthew Hubbard, have asked people to donate money to the Animal Center, the Newtown animal rescue organization.

So far, the center has received about 20 donations ranging from $20 to hundreds of dollars, said Harmony Verna, the director of the center’s board. The center is pooling the donations submitted in Catherine’s name and plans a project that will honor her, although they have not decided what it will be.

Verna said friends of Catherine’s family had adopted animals from the shelter in the past.

“We are so touched and warmed that this family could reach through their grief to do something for us,” Verna said. “This little girl wanted to grow up to be a veterinarian, and these donors are helping make that dream come true in some way.”

Besides her love for animals, a death notice in the Newtown Bee said, Catherine’s family will remember her for her constant smile. She leaves behind an older brother, grandparents, a great-grandmother, and four uncles and four aunts. Family members declined to talk about Catherine, who was 6, but her parents released a statement saying they were “greatly saddened by the loss of our beautiful daughter.”

Her funeral is scheduled for Thursday.

December 14, 2013 at 8:31 p.m.
fairmon said...

tifosi...Are you proposing a total ban on guns? Do you think all guns should be confiscated and destroyed? What do you think needs to be done? Would you support the prosecution of any gun owner who owns a gun involved in a crime or accident regardless of who the perpetrator was?

December 14, 2013 at 9:16 p.m.
tifosi said...

Grace McDonnell, 7

When Grace Audrey McDonnell grew up, she wanted to be an artist and live on Martha’s Vineyard and perhaps paint seascape scenes from an easel on the beach.

“A beautiful and artistic soul,” her family said in an obituary, “Grace was truly a gift from God and represented all that is good in this world.”

With a cherubic face, dark blond hair and blue eyes, Grace was an outgoing girl often seen by neighbors playing in her family’s front yard.

The Werden family lives across the street from the McDonnell home in the Sandy Hook section of Newtown. The two families shared a school bus stop. On many mornings, the Werdens saw Grace’s father, Christopher McDonnell, a competitive runner, out for jog.

Todd Werden described Grace as a “real little doll” and called her death “heartbreaking.”

“It’s just unfathomable,” he said.

Tania Domingos, 21, who lives next door to the McDonnells, said they were well regarded in the wooded neighborhood.

“The family is very nice. They are very kind people,” Domingos said. “It’s obviously such a tragedy.”

Grace McDonnell is survived by her parents, Christopher and Lynn Zapf McDonnell, her brother, Jack Sheridan McDonnell, and her grandparents.

In lieu of flowers, the McDonnells requested that donations be made to the Grace McDonnell Memorial Fund at the Fairfield County Community Foundation in Norwalk, Conn.

In a statement, her family wrote: “We are overwhelmed by the outpouring of love and support from so many people. Our daughter Grace was the love and light of our family. Words cannot adequately express our sense of loss.”

Her funeral will be held Friday.

December 14, 2013 at 9:18 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

tifosi said...

The Newtown killer was the son of a member of the NRA.

”Bull shyte! Prove it liar.”

Who by the way, stupidly left her firearms unsecured.

”Bull shyte! Prove it liar.”

December 14, 2013 at 9:40 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Rickaroo said...

That is the problem with you RWNJs - you are portray ALL liberals as the uttermost extremists in all things, when in reality very few liberals are that way.

I could show the video of that tea-party woman stupidly screaming for the government to "keep its hands off my Medicare" and try to portray all conservatives as stupid as that (oh wait...most of them ARE like that!), but I don't do that.

As often as you shoot yourself in the foot, rhetorically, you definitely shouldn’t own or handle firearms.

December 14, 2013 at 9:55 p.m.
tifosi said...

Emily Parker, 6

Quick to cheer up those in need of a smile, Emily Parker never missed a chance to draw a picture or make a card.

Her father, Robbie Parker, fought back tears as he described the beautiful, blonde, always-smiling 6-year-old girl who loved to try new things, except food.

Parker, one of the first parents to publicly talk about his loss, expressed no animosity for the gunman, even as he struggled to explain the death to his other two children, ages 3 and 4. He's sustained by the fact that the world is better for having had Emily in it.

"I'm so blessed to be her dad," he said.

December 14, 2013 at 10:01 p.m.
tifosi said...

10-year old California boy shot and killed by 9-year old girl

Eric Klyaz, age 10 A 10-year old boy, Eric Klyaz, was playing with a 9-year old girl in a garage, which was made into a play area, in San Diego, California. No adults were present, but they were being supervised by the girl's 14-year old sister.

But the two younger kids got hold of a loaded .9mm handgun, and it was unintentionally discharged, hitting Eric in the chest. He died soon after.

December 14, 2013 at 10:08 p.m.
inquiringmind said...

facyspacy you are right the only information we have is what we see in the news reports or court proceedings but around here that is unlikely. The guy calls 911 and them goes outside with a gun in the dark, not too smart.

Also tifosi, any parent who lets their 2 year old play with a gun and did not send the child to a gun safety course first ought to be bawled out. It is an outrage.

December 14, 2013 at 10:09 p.m.
tifosi said...

Another tragic accidental shooting, this one in Texas: Emilee Bates was accidentally killed by her step-brother on her 13th birthday Tuesday. Police say Austin McCord, 19, was clearing his AK-47 at the time. He ejected two dummy rounds that were above the loaded magazine, then pulled the trigger in what he believed was a safe move, NBC 5 reports. The sheriff explains that "once you've emptied the weapon, it's always safer to get the pressure off of the trigger, and that's what he thought he was doing." But McCord forgot about the loaded magazine, and the gun went off, shooting Emilee in the stomach.

"He believed he was making the weapon safe by pulling the trigger to drop the bolt on an empty chamber," the sheriff's office said in a statement obtained by the Fort Worth Star-Telegram. Police were called to the home around 8:30pm, where the step-siblings were alone; Emilee had been studying. The seventh-grader died in a Fort Worth hospital around 10pm. The case is considered an accident, and police say no charges will be filed.

December 14, 2013 at 10:14 p.m.
alprova said...

A thread about abortion would not be complete without a reminder that abortion foes care deeply about seeing to it that a woman complete the delivery of every unborn child, but beyond that point, they feel their job is done and both the mother and child are on their own from that point on.

December 14, 2013 at 10:54 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Thus, Alpy, the alternative is back to abortion? Is that what you're saying?

December 14, 2013 at 11:20 p.m.

alprova said...A thread about abortion would not be complete without a reminder that abortion foes care deeply about seeing to it that a woman complete the delivery of every unborn child, but beyond that point, they feel their job is done and both the mother and child are on their own from that point on.

Liberals are phonies and demagogues when they squeal that pro-lifers only care about babies inside the womb. Your fairy tales about being more compassionate and caring may bring you great comfort and self-satisfaction, but they are merely fairy tales. You are, in fact, tight-fisting phonies.

The facts:

“Democrats Vs. Republicans: Who's The Most Greedy?” (Investor’s Business Daily, Mon, Jan 30 2012)

From Who Really Cares: America's Charity Divide -Who Gives, Who Doesn't, and Why It Matters by Arthur C. Brooks:

“Conservative households in America donate 30% more money to charity each year than liberal households, even in spite of lower average incomes

“Conservatives are also more generous in other ways, such as blood donations, and volunteer work. In fact, if liberals gave blood like conservatives do, the blood supply in the U.S. would jump by about 45%

“People who mistrust big government give more than those who rely on the government to take care of the poor. This includes giving and volunteering even to traditionally “progressive causes” such as the arts and the environment

“Conservative “red” states give away far more of their incomes than liberal “blue” states do

“Religious people give away four times more money each year than secularists. This is not just because of giving to churches – religious people are 10 percent more likely than secularists to give money to explicitly nonreligious charities

“Religious people are far more generous than secularists with their time. For instance, a religious person is 57% more likely than a secularist to help a homeless person

“Religious people are also more generous in informal ways, such as giving money to family members, and behaving honestly”

December 14, 2013 at 11:45 p.m.
fairmon said...


Answer the question and quit cutting and posting every tragedy in the country. Someone else could post where a life was saved each time you post where one is lost. The question is "what would you do"? Are you suggesting that no one outside the active military should be allowed to be in possession of a gun?

December 15, 2013 at 12:03 a.m.
fairmon said...

alprova, you know my opinion on abortion. I think it should be encouraged in those cases where the mother and father cannot be responsible for and provide for a kid. I also feel strongly about sterilization being included and if not the first abortion then by all means the second. I think not only should abortion be encouraged in those cases where the kid cannot be supported since is not there since it is evident taxpayers would be making a good ROI if they were willing to pay for the abortion & sterilization. No agreement to sterilization then pay for your own. The male should be included in the sterilization process when identified and verified. Those women entering the country illegally to give birth in the U.S. should be returned to their own country along with the new born. Some states are getting smarter and considering the sterilization option while others like Texas are ignorantly still trying to prevent abortions.

December 15, 2013 at 12:23 a.m.
fairmon said...

It appears some warped minds in Washington think it OK to attack and take lives in other countries and send thousands of our young and finest to be killed or crippled for life but jailed doctor Kevorkian that was willing to assist those of sound mind to end their own life with dignity instead of living as a vegetable with no quality of life and becoming a burden for family and friends.

December 15, 2013 at 12:35 a.m.
facyspacy said...

Another tragic post, this one again by Tifosi.

Australia bans assault rifles 8 to 10 yrs ago. Claimed they have stopped mass shootings. Well congrats. Donyou know how many more mass killings come from fire now. Yeh, it seems you can takenthe guns away from people people bu you cant take the crazy out of them.

When i was a kid, we shot fireworks, threw knives, played with fire, even went swimming. There are more deaths from swimming than fire arms when it comes to children.

Every swimming pool a child swims in must first be built by an adult.

December 18, 2013 at 6:53 a.m.
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