published Sunday, December 29th, 2013

Rant

Are the people who believe in God the only ones with no rights?

Shonda Mason serves Shonda Mason only. How self-serving can a person be? The laws don't apply to her until she wants them to.

Richard Manning too sick to be in jail? No. Terminal illness (if true) is not a get-out-of-jail-free card.

Senior Tea Partiers: Ask the federal government to triple your Medicare Social Security withholding to pay for your subsidized entitlement or continue as hypocrites.

According to the Democratic leadership, their strategy to win political offices in the South is to hope more white people die.

Who says that health care is a right? When will people begin again to be responsible for themselves and their finances?

Referendums should require signatures from a broad area so solicitors don't cherry-pick the signers. All men are created equal. What don't they get?

Which is worse: Driving in heavy rain with no lights or always turning with no blinkers? Did any local drivers take a driving test?

Now that the registration for Obamacare is fixed, what will happen when a claim is filed or payments sent to doctors? Another $600-million fix?

The language of left community organizers: Don't agree with the president, you are a racist. Don't agree with gay marriage, you are a bigot.

I hope Santa brings Mark Wiedmer a dictionary so he can learn the meaning of integrity. Don't blame Heisman's vague voting guidelines for your vote.

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moon4kat said...

What rights are being denied to those who believe in God? You can believe whatever you want; however, you do not have the right to force others to believe your folklore and mythology.

December 29, 2013 at 8:22 a.m.
yddem said...

This sounds as stupid as something the conman would say: Are the people who believe in God the only ones with no rights?

Does anyone want to claim it?

December 29, 2013 at 9:01 a.m.
LibDem said...

Democratic strategy is to hope more white people die. I'm a Democrat and I'm sorry, but this struck my funny bone.

December 29, 2013 at 10:34 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

"Who says that health care is a right? When will people begin again to be responsible for themselves and their finances?"

I'm guessing that you yourself have never been denied treatment or did not have access to treatment for a life-threatening illness or accident on account of not being able to afford health insurance? Or that you have never lost a loved one on account of not being able to afford the high cost of health insurance? Go through that experience just once and then let us hear you make an arrogant, idiotic rant like that.

December 29, 2013 at 2:16 p.m.
degage said...

Rickaroo, three years ago in Feb my son was hurt on the job, workmans comp took care of the injuries and my sons employer did not continue his health ins during this time, after several months and he didn't seem to be getting any better they did a Mri and found he had stage 4 cancer. the doctors and hospitals did not refuse to treat him, he got excellent care. workman comp stopped paying for his care. He passed away 4 weeks after being diagnosed.

My sister in law was diagnosed with stage 4 cancer, no insurance, but received excellent care. So your assumption that you won't get care if you don't have insurance is a crock.

December 29, 2013 at 3:47 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

I'm truly sorry about your son, but if he and your sister-in-law got the kind of care you say they did they were VERY fortunate. I have personally known two people who have lost loved ones on account of no health insurance. One of them received immediate treatment in an emergency room for his life-threatening injuries but was treated only enough to save his life and when he was out of immediate danger he was sent home. He needed constant follow-up treatment but he wasn't able to pay the bills from his initial ER visit and he was denied the extra, attentive care that he needed. He lived a few months longer but died as a direct result of his injuries.

There are over 45,000 people who die every year from a lack of health insurance. That is a FACT that you can, and most likely will, deny, but it is a FACT nonetheless. The number is probably much higher but that is the number of known cases.

Either you or your family members knew someone who was willing to provide the treatment they needed free of charge or something was going on that you are not telling me about, because if a hospital does not get paid out of pocket for initial treatment they will NOT admit anyone without insurance and most certainly will not perform expensive treatments like MRIs or CAT scans without being assured of being paid for them. You and your sister-in-law either had the money to pay for their treatment out of pocket or you are outright lying. NO hospital is going to treat somebody free of charge, without insurance, except for giving immediate life-saving treatment in an ER.

December 29, 2013 at 4:36 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Furthermore...even if what you are saying is entirely true, if you did not pay for your son's treatment, or your sister-in-law did not pay for hers, it got passed on to the tax payers down the road, in the form of increased premiums. One of the greatest losses that hospitals incur are those due to lack of payment from uninsured people. That is one of the biggest reasons that health insurance premiums rise every year. Our country spends far more on health care than any other country, yet we still have over 45 million people with no health insurance. We might have the most technologically advanced health care in the world but it doesn't matter when so many people are denied access to it. We obviously have a flawed, inadequate system for providing it.

December 29, 2013 at 4:56 p.m.
schizka said...

degage said...

Rickaroo, three years ago in Feb my son was hurt on the job, workmans comp took care of the injuries and my sons employer did not continue his health ins during this time, after several months and he didn't seem to be getting any better they did a Mri and found he had stage 4 cancer. the doctors and hospitals did not refuse to treat him, he got excellent care. workman comp stopped paying for his care. He passed away 4 weeks after being diagnosed.

My sister in law was diagnosed with stage 4 cancer, no insurance, but received excellent care. So your assumption that you won't get care if you don't have insurance is a crock.

Your brother and sister were 2 of the lucky few. Guess you've never heard of, been subjected to or had someone you know become a victim of hospitals dumping patients? It happens more frequent than realized. Even patients with insurance, but not enough or the hospital and insurance coming come into conflict over a patients' days as inpatient have been dismissed only to end right back up in the hospital from some serious new ailment related to the original reason they were admitted to the hospital.

December 29, 2013 at 5:14 p.m.
moon4kat said...

degage, you don't say anything about who DID pay for the "excellent care" received by your uninsured son and uninsured sister-in-law. Please tell us who paid their medical bills.

December 30, 2013 at 8:48 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

Moon4kat, degage is lying or at the very least stretching the truth. It might be true that they had no health insurance but somebody somewhere had the money to pay for their treatment. There is NO WAY that doctors or hospitals are going to provide intensive ongoing treatment to anyone without being assured of getting paid for it, either through insurance or from somebody writing a check for services rendered. Once in a blue moon some doctor, under extraordinary circumstances, might perform surgery or treat someone free of charge, as a personal favor to someone or as an act of benevolence for whatever reason, but that is an extremely rare occurrence.

December 30, 2013 at 2:56 p.m.
degage said...

Roo and moony, No I am not lying and I resent you saying so. My sons family made arrangements with the hospital and the doctor wrote it off because he is the one that didn't catch the problem in time. Maybe he thought he would be sued but that was never an option. The hospital helped my sister in law get help. Yes it was Medicaid. They both were never refused help even before money was discussed. Next time you want to call someone a liar remember you aren't always believed but never have I called you a liar.

BTW, according to liberals and conservatives help was designed to be for people that really need it. I guess that doesn't include those that have worked all their lives then find themselves in need.

December 30, 2013 at 8:10 p.m.
moon4kat said...

degage, I did not call you a liar; I simply asked you a question. You've answered it, illuminating why your uninsured son got "excellent care" for 4 weeks, and admitting that your sister-in-law was covered by Medicaid. Thanks for clarifying your original post with those highly relevant facts, which substantially undermine your original argument. I'm sorry about the deaths that have impacted your family. I also think you should not try to spin those tragedies into an argument against universal health care. It doesn't really work.

December 30, 2013 at 8:42 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Help me out here, degage. I'm having a bit of a hard time making sense of where you're coming from. Here is the way I see it: You tried to make the case in your original post that my post about people suffering and dying from a lack of health insurance was a "crock," because, according to what you said, your son and daughter-in-law received "excellent care" and neither of them had insurance. In the case of your son, you neglected to note that other arrangements had been made, and in the case of your daughter-in-law, she had Medicaid (which is INSURANCE!).

Now, the definition of a lie is a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive, an intentional untruth, a falsehood. It seems to me that that is exactly what you did - you lied. You were trying to make a case for your argument against me by using an example that was disingenuous at best and an outright lie at worst. Or are you so screwed up in your understanding of Medicaid that you don't even realize that Medicaid is in fact INSURANCE? It is insurance that the government pays for. Most people are very thankful to have it. But maybe you are like some teabagging rednecks I know who constantly complain about the government but they gladly take food stamps, disability insurance, and Medicaid.

You resent being called a liar? Well, here's a tip for you: DON'T LIE! I will gladly offer an apology where an apology is due, but this is not one of those times. I retract nothing and apologize for nothing. In fact, YOU should be the one apologizing for lying and using deceptive tactics to try to make a point that you could not make legitimately.

December 31, 2013 at 2:30 a.m.
degage said...

Roo, maybe you have a problem understanding. Both got excellent care before any arrangements for payment was made. They were not turned away and the hospitals went out of there way to help. My sons family got a reduced bill and are paying it.

Roo, believe what you may, its no skin off my teeth. You liberals have a problem believing anything that doesn't fit with your agenda. That must be the atheist in you, mean spirited. I do admit not all atheist are like you but most of your post come across like that. BTW I don't need to apologize since everything I said was true, both before and now.

December 31, 2013 at 5:53 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

You're a real piece of work. You lie and spin a false narrative to make a point that you could not have made if you had been totally honest about it, and then you have the audacity to make me out to be the bad ass for calling you out on it. Look, the point is that your sister-in-law had Medicaid (insurance) and your son's family is now making payments. They did not receive free treatment. In your original story you made it appear that they had no insurance and the hospital and doctors were treating them free of charge and that anybody who went to a hospital is going to get the same excellent care and treatment, even if they are completely uninsured. But that is simply NOT true for the vast majority of uninsured people. Yes, it IS true that some hospitals initially will admit patients, at least if they are in need if emergency or critical care, before ascertaining whether they have insurance or not, but once they find out they are uninsured they will not receive continuous ongoing treatment if they need it UNLESS other arrangements for payment are made. If someone is so poor that they cannot make those payments they WILL NOT keep getting ongoing treatment. They WILL be refused, it is that simple.

You tell me that we libs "have a problem believing anything that doesn't fit with our agenda," but sister, I don't have an agenda other than seeking out the truth and telling it like it is. YOU are the one with an agenda, and that agenda is, like that of most conservatives today, to spread a false narrative in order to maintain the status quo and to keep putting the screws to the poor, the hungry, the jobless, and the uninsured. You call me "mean-spirited" for not being nicer to you liars as you engage in your campaign to smear all poor, uninsured, jobless people as "moochers and takers" and you lick the boots of the corporatists and super-rich fat cats and stand in lock-step with the Republicans who want to keep rigging the system to maintain our fascist-government status quo so that the rich can keep getting richer and the poor are just SOL. Am I mean-spirited? Well, if that's how you lying, arrogant jerks on the right see me, so be it. I'm good with that.

December 31, 2013 at 12:12 p.m.
moon4kat said...

Rick, don't forget the subsidies to Big Ag, refusing to label GMOs because Monsanto doesn't want to, and the corporations that gin up fast cheap crap stripped of real nutrients and filled with unhealthy sugar and additives. They've taught people to be stupid about food, and most Americans have forgotten how to really cook the healthy basics, like greens and beans, sweet potatoes (without marshmallows) and brown rice, venison chili and apple cake. That's some of the good food most Americans are missing because they've been sold on edible plastic (with pink slime). That's also part of our health care debate.

December 31, 2013 at 1:09 p.m.
degage said...

Roo, I didn't claim they got free care. I said they were not turned away for their lack of insurance. I said, even before payment was discussed they received excellent care. I guess I didn't spell out the meaning of the post so you could understand it.

In my opinion your agenda is to bring everyone down to one level even if it destroys all classes. Your agenda doesn't bring the poor up it brings the middle class and above down to the level of the poor. The poor should be helped to a point, then they need to take responsibility for themselves. people have times when they need help and they should get it but it should not be forever like some families with generations on welfare.

I stand by the fact you are the bad guy.

December 31, 2013 at 1:22 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

No, you did not say that they got free care, but your implication was that anybody, even those without insurance, could walk into a hospital and get excellent treatment. But somebody somewhere has to pay for that treatment. If a person has no insurance and is too poor to make payments on whatever initial upfront treatment they have received, they WILL be denied further treatment. That is the way it is and you know it. You conservatives keep spreading the myth (lie) that nobody really has to suffer or die from a lack of insurance because anybody can just walk into an ER or hospital and get treatment. But there are many illnesses and injuries that require ongoing, expensive treatment and people without insurance will not get such extensive treatment, unless they are rich enough to pay for it out of pocket.

The point is that we DO have a pitifully flawed health care system that is so expensive and unjust in the way that it is administered that it is out of the reach of tens of millions of Americans. Anybody who is sane and objective about it doesn't try to sugarcoat it or keep saying that we have the best health care in the world. In fact, we have one of the WORST health care systems in the world. Obamacare, as flawed as it is, is at least a step in the right direction and Obama doesn't need to be made out to be a socialistic tyrant for trying to address the long-standing problem of how to make insurance accessible to every American. Republicans/conservatives refuse to even acknowledge the problem, let alone get down to the nitty-gritty of doing something about it. They are content to just go along with the status quo. As long as they are covered, all warm and cozy in their blankets of financial security, everybody else can go to hell as far as they are concerned.

Now, I've wasted enough time with you, I have better things to do. We are never going to agree. If I'm the bad guy in your eyes, I can rest assured that my head must be screwed on straight.

December 31, 2013 at 2:05 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Mpon4kat, I totally agree with you about the reprehensible state of our commercial food industry, both fast food and Big Ag. And there's no denying that poor eating habits based on over-consumption of high-fat, over-salted, over-sweetened processed foods and fast foods that contribute to diabetes, obesity, heart disease and a host of other illnesses are a huge part of the health care debate. And those problems must be addressed. If we all ate more healthfully and thus were healthier as a result of it, then that would go a long way towards reducing our overall health care costs.

But I believe that first and foremost something needs to be done about providing everyone access to comprehensive health insurance, and Obamacare, as flawed as I think it is, is at least a step in the right direction. Regardless of how healthy anyone is, there are still serious accidents and genetic diseases that occur which no amount of exercise and healthy eating are going to prevent. I have heard some arguments from those on the right to the effect that one's health care is entirel up to the individual and if people just ate better and exercised more, then that is all the "insurance" they wpuld need. Of course, that is absurd, and the ones making that argument meanwhile have a comprehensive health insurance plan in place for themselves. That argument is as ridiculous as the one that degage was trying to make - that anyone without insurance can still get "excellent care" in a hospital (which is true only if you're able to pay for it out of pocket!). Or that Bush and Romney each said at one time - that nobody is denied health care in America because all they have to do is... go to an emergency room!

January 1, 2014 at 3:59 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

I think that the problem with healthier eating, or rather the lack of it in this country, is not so much a matter of educating the public (however, that is of course a big part of it) but a matter of making it more affordable and more accessible to obtain organically grown, nutrient-rich foods. As it is, organically grown foods are mostly sold in the upscale suburban neighborhoods and are substantially more expensive. Poorer people, especially those living in the inner cities, not only do not have access to them, they could not afford them, even if they did. Add to that fact the ubiquity of fast-food joints on every corner where you can get a Happy Meal or taco or processed chicken strips off the value menu and feed the kids cheaply and quickly, it's hard for organically grown carrots or hormone-free chicken, which are harder to come by as well as much more expensive, to compete with that.

And then of course, there is MONSANTO, which has such a ruthless grip on Big Ag. I hate to say it but I honestly don't know how smaller organic farmers, which we desperately need more of, are going to be able prevail against them. Their monopoly is so pervasive that they have become the undisputed rulers of what has grown to be an evil empire of genetically modified food. And so many people are oblivious to the power that Monsanto wields or the prevalence of GE foods in the market or the dangers contained in them. Admittedly there are contradictory scientific findings as to the dangers or benefits of them, but it seems that most of the research performed thus far has been conducted by Monsanto's in-house scientists, and naturally they have nothing but stellar things to say about GMOs. The only thing that I think might wake more people is if/when the dangers of certain GE foods become more obvious, and that seems to be happening more and more.

January 1, 2014 at 4:22 p.m.
moon4kat said...

Rick, we agree.

January 1, 2014 at 4:26 p.m.
chet123 said...

LIBDEM...YOU SAID YOU ARE A DEMOCRAT....I AM TOO!...SO WHO TOLD YOU THAT LIE.

January 4, 2014 at 11:02 a.m.
chet123 said...

I ADMIRE GOOD DECENT WHITE PEOPLE.....I HATE GREEDY PEOPLE REGARDLESS OF RACE.....CLARENCE THOMAS IS BLACK(I DISLIKE HIM),,HERMAN CAIN IS BLACK(I DISLIKE HIM)

BILL CLINTON IS WHITE SOUTHERNER(I ADMIRE HIM)

AL GORE IS WHITE(I ADMIRE HIM)

MANCY PELOSI IS WHITE(I ADMIRE HER)

LIBDEM.....WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?????

WHY SAY SOMETHING SO DIVISIVE....THAT IS A LIE!!!!!

I DONT UNDERSTAND YOU BRO.......GIVE AN EXAMPLE!!!!!

?????

THIS MAKE NO SENSE AND ITS A LIE...............................

HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!

THIS IS A EXAMPLE WHERE SOME PEOPLE NEED TO REMAIN SILENCE IF THEY CANT BACK-UP WHAT THEY SAY..........

January 4, 2014 at 11:15 a.m.
wallyworld said...

Chet, if you read the rants, Rant #5, you'll see some cowardly republican sent that gem to this so-called "news"paper. According to the Democratic leadership, their strategy to win political offices in the South is to hope more white people die.

January 4, 2014 at 3 p.m.
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