published Tuesday, February 5th, 2013

Boy Scouts must end its ban on gays

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    Boy Scouts carry U.S. flags up Congress Avenue towards the Texas Capitol during the annual Boy Scouts Parade and Report to State, in Austin, Texas. President Barack Obama said Sunday that gays should be allowed in the Boy Scouts and women should be allowed in military combat roles.
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Should the Boy Scouts of America end its long-standing ban on gay membership?

That is the question that the Boy Scouts of America board of directors is debating this week. An answer is expected tomorrow.

As a private organization, the Boy Scouts is able to decide whom to allow into its ranks — and whom to exclude. In fact, a 2000 Supreme Court ruling rightly upheld the Boy Scouts' ban on gays as a constitutional matter of freedom of association.

But just because the Boys Scouts can ban gay boys and young men from its ranks doesn't mean it should. The Boy Scouts' ban on gays harms both the organization itself, and the people it professes to serve.

It seems most Americans agree the Boy Scouts' anti-gay stance reeks of anachronistic intolerance. A national poll conducted by YouGov and the Huffington Post found that just 32 percent of Americans believe the Boy Scouts should continue its ban of gay members. Even poll respondents who were former Boy Scouts themselves favored allowing gay members into the organization by a 44 percent to 39 percent margin.

Last year, when the Scouts failed to act on an opportunity to reverse its ban on gay members, it cost the organization millions of dollars. Merck, UPS, the United Way, the Intel Foundation and other large donors pledged to stop donating to the Boy Scouts until its discriminatory policies were overturned.

So far, the loss of money hasn't been enough to change the anti-gay stance. But maybe the loss of members — and the organizations' growing irrelevancy — will.

According to Reuters, "Youth membership in the Boy Scouts has dropped 21 percent since 2000 to nearly 2.7 million. Adult leader membership has fallen 14 percent to just over 1 million, and the number of units has declined 12.6 percent to 108,971." Undoubtedly, part of the reason for the decline of the Scouts' membership numbers is related to some parents' unwillingness to allow their boys to be involved with an organization that is viewed by a growing number of people as bigoted and narrow-minded.

But this issue isn't about polls or popularity. It's not about what will make the Boy Scouts more appealing to donors or more enticing to new members and their families.

This issue is about right and wrong.

By banning gays, the Boy Scouts of America is doing both gay youth and our society an extraordinary disservice.

The Boy Scouts, with its ability to provide skills, support and positive influence, is in a position to help gay boys and young men build self-esteem and confidence — something that is, all too often, in short supply in the lives of gay youth. Rather than reaching out to potential gay scouts, however, the Boy Scouts prefers to rebuff them. Regrettably, the young men who realize they are gay after joining the organization are forced to remain closeted, silenced and ashamed -- often despite being loyal, exemplary members of the Boy Scouts for years.

Unfortunately, if the Boy Scouts' board members overturn their ban on gay scouts Wednesday, it would be just the first step in a long journey to make all boys and young men welcome in the organization. That's because the Boy Scouts' would still permit local chapters to exclude gay members.

While the Boy Scouts continue its outrageous practice of rejecting potential members based on their sexuality, the Girl Scouts are a beacon of reason. For more than 20 years, the Girl Scouts have accepted all girls and young women, and maintains "no membership policies on sexual preference." That's one page the Boy Scouts should steal from the Girl Scouts' handbook.

As the majority of Americans has grown more welcoming of gay individuals in all aspects of life, the Boys Scouts' ban on gay members has become a shameful blemish on an otherwise great organization. The Boy Scouts should universally overturn its ban on gay membership -- not just because it's in the best interest of the organization, but because it's the right thing to do.

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AndrewLohr said...

God created Adam and Eve. If He hadn't, our esteemed editor and I wouldn't be here. Jesus used the creation arrangement as evidence that somewhere around every divorce was sin. The same applies to 'gay' conduct. What's new this generation that changes that? Sin is sin. Pure 'gay' can't breed (until artificial fertilization and articifial wombs come around); breeding requires the cooperation of both sexes. So 'gay' always has some wiggle room, some degree of choice. Likewise other sexual tendencies, some of which can be worse sins sometimes. (Brothers, straight fornication and divorce also involve sins, and are more popular than 'gay' sins.) Some accommodation or toleration, fine--Christians and churches need to be holy, and to preach repentance, but need not worry too much about what unbelievers do. But forcing accommodation on those who'd rather not? How bigoted. How phobic. How timebound. How vile.

February 5, 2013 at 1:10 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

How bigoted. How phobic. How timebound. How vile

Describes your comments about gays, actually.

February 5, 2013 at 7:32 a.m.
conservative said...

So,IKe what specifically was untrue about what he said that you deem vile?

"Surely only an evil person could be so vile as to have made you so angry. Vile is something or someone so morally wrong or offensive as to be thoroughly disgusting."

"Are you appalled by someone’s sordid, despicable, ugly and just generally awful behavior? Then it’s probably vile, too."

<p>Vocabulary.com

February 5, 2013 at 8:34 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Surely both you and Lohr have a great fear of people who differ from you. Name ONE REASON why gays are so scary. Name ONE RISK gays pose to the rest of us. Name ONE REASON why gays should be treated differently than the rest of us. Name ONE REASON why you are so obsessed with the private behavior of consenting adults. Before you answer, remember in the US you may NOT impose your narrow sectarian religious views on the rest of us.

February 5, 2013 at 9:32 a.m.
conservative said...

Aids,Aids,Aids,Aids are the secular reasons, do want God's reasons?

We are making headway with you. You actually used the word vile.

February 5, 2013 at 9:43 a.m.
conservative said...

So,IKe what specifically was untrue about what he said that you deem vile?

February 5, 2013 at 9:45 a.m.
jesse said...

Why do we separate the "boy scouts" from the Girl scouts"?

How about a "Gay scouts of America"?

Do we have men leading Girl scout troops or visa versa?

February 5, 2013 at 9:50 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

There is a very interestingly/disturbingly high correlation within the following fact: 'Organizations with more homosexual individuals = produces highest number of Child Sexual Abuse Cases'. Go Figure? This is one of the most cogent arguments for barring all homosexual individuals from the Boy Scouts of America. This,to be done at all costs.

The 'Great Religions of the World' prohibit homosexuality. Any 'Johnny Come Lately Sect' can support anything they choose. They can even support the NORTH AMERICAN MAN Boy LOVE ASSOCIATION [N.A.M.B.L.A], or, Bestiality, etc. They are a 'renegade sect'...Not a core Great Religion of the World! kwo

February 5, 2013 at 10:10 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

The Boy Scouts of America has been a glowing example of Americanism. They have produced some of the greatest leaders throughout the whole earth. Patriotism in it's grandest, most noble form, is found among those in the Scouts. This also applies to those who have been affiliated with the Scouts in the past. Now...the logic. "The Boy Scouts of America has produced a well reasoned association of ideas. There is a definite correlation founded upon semantic and analytic factual information. Powerful, distinguished, well educated, morally upright, patriotic individuals have drawn certain definite conclusions." (My original statement is in quotations). (I am not trying to speak for the Boy Scouts of America, these are solely my opinions).

1.Homosexual individuals are banned from the Boy Scouts of America.

2.This ban is to protect Youth from vicious sexual abuse.

3.The association/correlation presumed is: Homosexual individuals are possible/probable Child Sexual Abusers.

The man who viciously sexually abused me as a Toddler had, earlier in life, been a Life Scout (level of achievement within Scouting). Later on I became a Tenderfoot, Second Class, then First Class Scout. As a Cub Scout Master in TN , I determined to be the highest level of an honorable example to my Cubs. I would sing silly songs to them, and, act like a clown just to get them to smile. We also had many serious, character-building events. I cannot stand the thought that predators would ever, ever, even get close to any of these Children. The 'Bug Chasers' within the homosexual community would have no problem in infecting one of our Toddlers with HIV/AIDS which is mutating continuously creating new strains of AIDS.

Ken ORR

February 5, 2013 at 10:18 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Orr is a demented and proven liar. Over and over Orr spouts his religious BS, but never has proof, never offers proof, just a Dark Ages anti-science, anti-intellectual misanthropic warped old man.

if Orr's logic is correct "Homosexual individuals are possible/probable Child Sexual Abusers," then the following is also correct, "Christian fanatic individuals are possible/probable Child Sexual Abusers."

Keep Orr away from your children, pets, and farm animals.

February 5, 2013 at 10:30 a.m.
conservative said...

Wow! powerful Ken ORR. I understand now why you are so vocal about sexual perverts and their wicked and vile behavior.

I share your convictions about the wickedness of homsexuality and am glad I have not had a experience or attack such as yours.

God is using you and I thank you both.

February 5, 2013 at 10:31 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

That Conservative thinks he and Orr are the mouthpieces of Jehovah shows how deep their delusions run.

I'm sure they have matching uniforms with swastikas, jackboots, and a crown of thorns.

The Three Stooges of Christian fanaticism, Orr, Conservative, and Lohr, have worked for their merit badges in bigotry, ignorance, and intolerance.

They can proudly wear the badge of fascism; they've earned it.

February 5, 2013 at 10:50 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Aids,Aids,Aids,Aids

Lesbians are at the LOWEST risk of contracting HIV. Try again. HIV/AIDS is NOT a risk to you, unless you have multiple partners or use injected drugs. Gays cannot give you HIV/AIDS by simply being a part of society. Not all gays are infected (see first sentence) so I pose my questions to you again, conservative and Andrew Lohr.

Religious beliefs and an unhealthy interest in the sex lives of others are NOT reasons to deny full rights to those whose orientation is different than yours.

If you cannot answer with real, legitimate concerns, you reveal yourselves as bigots who would use your own narrow views (and seemingly odd and sick obsessions with the sex lives of others) to punish those that you don't like.

Ken Orr, your continuing to equate homosexuality with pedophilia in spite of being corrected only reveals the horrific damage that some molester did to you. It is not a legitimate argument.

February 5, 2013 at 12:03 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

With all the lies Orr has told about himself, I question if anything happened to him. Orr has time and again made up stories in his efforts to demonize everyone except him and his brand of religious bigotry.

February 5, 2013 at 12:35 p.m.
conservative said...

Who pays for aids Ike?

How are you going to stop aids carrying sexual perverts from infecting children in the Boy Scouts Ike?

Why are you throwing male sexual perverts under the bus Ike?

You even admit Lesbians carry aids Ike.

It is not unhealthy to have an interest in protecting people from unhealthy aids carriers Ike.

Unhealthy habits carry a tremendous cost to societies Ike.

HIV patients will spend $600K for lifetime care Those diagnosed with AIDS expected to live average of 24 years, study says

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/15655257/ns/health-aids/t/hiv-patients-will-spend-k-lifetime-care/

February 5, 2013 at 12:40 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

HIV is carried by both gay and straights, conservative, so let that first lie go.

Gay does not equal pedophile. Lie #2 HIV patients cost the same medically whether they are gay or straight, conservative. Lie #3 Unhealthy habits cost, regardless of who has them. Do you ban people from the boy scouts for speeding? Smoking? Not wearing seatbelts? Obesity? or only those bad habits YOU disapprove of?

Lesbians rate of HIV/Aids is lower than any other group, including straights. So what is your concern about them?

Now, lets try to answer those questions honorably, or admit you are a Liar for Jesus, and that everyone in the US should hate gays because YOU say so.

AND admit that what consenting adults do in private really does interest you. A lot.

BTW, there are already lots of gays in the Boy Scouts. And in the military. Just because they keep it a secret doesn't change what they are.

February 5, 2013 at 1:41 p.m.
conservative said...

Ike:

"HIV is carried by both gay and straights, conservative, so let that first lie go"

FACT: No couple will get aids or has got aids within marriage in obedience to the word of God.

There have been some who have contracted aids by rape and transfusions. The occurrence by rape will surely increase if open sexual perverts are openly allowed in the Boy Scouts.

I told no lie, the lie is on you for saying I lied.

Do you see how much correction is needed in most everything you write? That was just the first sentence of yours.

February 5, 2013 at 2:32 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

You lied. HIV IS carried by gays and straights. Couples have transmitted HIV to their partners earlier in the history of the HIV epidemic because they were infected by some other transmission method such as blood transfusion or infected health workers. But few couples live their marriages faithfully, and HIV and other STD's are transmitted all the time in straight couples. It has NOTHING to do with sexual orientation. If you want to stop HIV in straight couples you will have to contend with unfaithfulness, not gays. You are a liar.

Fully 95% of the past three generations have admitted to sex outside of marriage. Young adults often carry STD's that they are unaware of, get married and infect their spouses. No gays here. Another lie.

Gays are no more rapists than straights. The VAST majority of rapes are male perpetrators on female victims. Straights. Keeping gays out of the scouts does ZERO for this problem. Lying again.

Gays are only sexual perverts in your own mind. Most gays have relationships with consenting adults of their own gender. They DO NOT PREY UPON CHILDREN. Another lie.

What would Jesus think? You are a disgrace.

February 5, 2013 at 2:51 p.m.
conservative said...

Ike:

No, you lied when you said I lied.

"FACT: No couple will get aids or has got aids within marriage in obedience to the word of God."

"There have been some who have contracted aids by rape and transfusions. The occurrence by rape will surely increase if open sexual perverts are openly allowed in the Boy Scouts."

There is no lie here

February 5, 2013 at 3:01 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

"There have been some who have contracted aids by rape and transfusions.

The bulk have gotten STDs by consensual straight sex. So it is a lie by omission. Still a lie.

The occurrence by rape will surely increase if open sexual perverts are openly allowed in the Boy Scouts."

You have ZERO evidence that this will ever happen. Therefore, it's a lie. And pretty much everything else in your posts were lies. I am astounded that you call yourself a Christian; in fact, according to you, you are the only TROO (TM) Christian in the area. Disgraceful. If there really is a god I am sure he/she/it is fully aware of your lying and will deal with you.

February 5, 2013 at 3:05 p.m.
conservative said...

Where is my lie Ike?

No, you lied when you said I lied.

"FACT: No couple will get aids or has got aids within marriage in obedience to the word of God."

"There have been some who have contracted aids by rape and transfusions. The occurrence by rape will surely increase if open sexual perverts are openly allowed in the Boy Scouts."

There is no lie here

February 5, 2013 at 3:09 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

It is all lies. And the other things too. Why can't you just admit you hate gays for your own religious reasons? Using lies to support your case is far worse.

Anyhow, anyone who reads this thread sees your lies for what they are. You are the kind of person who destroyed any possible belief I had years ago, and I am sure others reading this thread would not want to be associated with any belief system that you adhere to, one where dishonesty is acceptable and self-righteous judgement of others is lauded.

Signing out.

February 5, 2013 at 3:16 p.m.
conservative said...

Ike:

Somewhere you got the notion that people will cower to you when you call people liars. But when you call someone a liar when they have not lied, then you are the liar.

Where is the lie Ike?

"FACT: No couple will get aids or has got aids within marriage in obedience to the word of God."

"There have been some who have contracted aids by rape and transfusions. The occurrence by rape will surely increase if open sexual perverts are openly allowed in the Boy Scouts."

There is no lie here

February 5, 2013 at 3:34 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Conservative,

"Somewhere you got the notion that people will cower to you when you call people liars."

Somehow you got the notion that if you repeat something over and over then it will make it true or more correct; it usually never does. However, it does make you look like a pedantic nitwit but that's about it.

"No couple will get aids or has got aids within marriage in obedience to the word of God"

Probably false. You have no way of proving that statement anyway.

"There have been some who have contracted aids by rape and transfusions."

Or anal sex, vaginal sex with an infected person, intravenous drugs use, etc.

"The occurrence by rape will surely increase if open sexual perverts are openly allowed in the Boy Scouts."

That statement is just dishonest. The gay ban is about the scouts, not pedophiles. Homosexuality and pedophilia are no the same no matter how much you think they are.

"There is no lie here"

Deceit and ignorance would be better terms.

February 5, 2013 at 3:49 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Well, folks, although most do not label HIV/AIDS the 'homosexual disease', or 'GRID - Gay Related Immune Disorder', the facts/numbers still talk for themselves.

Even one woman infected is too many. While the number of HIV-positive lesbian and bisexual women is far smaller than those of straight women, the infection rate is significantly higher. In Los Angeles an infection rate of 4.2 percent was reported for lesbians and bisexuals versus 1.2 percent of exclusively heterosexual women. In Kings County, Washington, HIV infection was found to be FIVE TIMES more common among women identified by counselors as "lesbian or bisexual."

Following is a dialogue i came across:

“I am a Black HIV+ lesbian looking to meet/chat with other HIV+ lesbians. I feel alone. I want to connect with other lesbians that understand what I am going through. I also want to tell others that....YES, A WOMAN CAN CONTRACT HIV FROM ANOTHER WOMAN(if that woman is HIV of course). My name on this site is "PozLez". My email is rose_b1835@hotmail.com Hope to hear from someone.....ANYONE! May everybody be healthy ,safe, happy and POSITIVE MINDED.

Someone else on the site responded:

"I think she got three stars because lesbians are one of the smallest populations to contract HIV. Trying to find another positive lesbian is going to be challenging for her. But she's made up her mind to only date poz women. I commend her for her bravery, and her desire to keep the virus 'in the family,' so to speak. Just my humble opinion."

kwo

February 5, 2013 at 4:06 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Orr,

"Well, folks, although most do not label HIV/AIDS the 'homosexual disease', or 'GRID - Gay Related Immune Disorder', the facts/numbers still talk for themselves."

And those facts aren't in your favor.

"While the number of HIV-positive lesbian and bisexual women is far smaller than those of straight women, the infection rate is significantly higher."

And you're basing that off statistics from two cities. It doesn't work that way, moron.

February 5, 2013 at 4:09 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

While CDC estimates that ONLY 4% of men in the United States are Men Having Sex With Men, the rate of new HIV diagnoses among Men Having Sex With Men in the United States is MORE THAN 44 (fourty-four) TIMES that of other men (range: 522 –989 per 100,000 MSM vs. 12 per 100,000 other men). CREDIT: CENTER FOR DISEASE CONTROL [CDC] (CDC.GOV URL) Anyone Can Choose To Leave This Lifestyle Before They Become A Part of These Statistics! (I Speak This With The Love of Christ Jesus).

The federal budget request for fiscal year (FY) 2011 includes a total of $20.4 BILLION DOLLARS for domestic HIV and AIDS, a 4% increase from the FY 2010 funding, which totaled $19.6 BILLION DOLLARS.34 Federal funding for AIDS programs falls into five basic categories: care and treatment, financial and housing assistance, prevention, research, and global spending (most of which goes out through the US PEPFAR program). Of these five budgets, care spending is by far the largest - just over half of the FY 2010 budget was for care and treatment programs. THE MAJORITY of AIDS CARE FUNDING goes out through the federal MEDICARE and MEDICAID PROGRAMS for people who do not have adequate private health insurance. (Innocent American Tax Payers Forced to Pay For Those Who Choose This Lifestyle of Homosexual Behavior). I Do Not Blame Innocent Victims Such As Children and Blood Transfusion Patients. credit: Avert.Org International HIV & AIDS charity. Ken Orr

February 5, 2013 at 4:14 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Orr, did you only associate with other homophobic Christian liars like yourself, or just homophobic liars?

Did you get your religious disease from someone else or are you just mentally deranged on your own?

Have you always made up things, or is this a consequence of your religious delusions?

What proof do you have of your supposed 'toddler' molestation or is that another one of your lies of your homophobic/sexual infantile psychosis?

What makes you an authority on sexual practices? Are you a closeted homosexual struggling against your 'sinful' desires?

You've lied about yourself so much Orr, when are you telling the truth?

February 5, 2013 at 4:21 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Heterosexual Parents Give Birth to Offspring Who Have Choice, Preference, Free Will, Liberty of Free Agency. This Includes Freedom to Become a Drain on Our Health Care System When They Choose Sexual Behaviors Which Cost Innocent American Citizen Taxpayers Hundreds of Millions of Hard Earned Dollars. Just Take a Look at This Comment: Just a Question: "Should The United States Government (We, The People) Promote a Chosen Behavior That Is costing Innocent Citizen Tax Payers $400,000.00 to $600,000 Per Lifetime, Per Indigent HIV/AIDS Patient?" To Promote Homosexual Marriage is to Promote The Behavior. This is Not to be Mean. This Is 'Center For Disease Control' (CDC) Fact. Please be Aware That the General Public May be Put at Risk by the Homosexual Population From Something as Common as Movie Theater Seats. This is Due to the Loss of Anatomical Control Caused by the Kind of Behavior Homosexual Individuals Often Prefer. (Especially Homosexual Men With Men.)

February 5, 2013 at 4:24 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Orr,

"Anyone Can Choose To Leave This Lifestyle Before They Become A Part of These Statistics!"

Can you choose to leave the heterosexual lifestyle?

"(Innocent American Tax Payers Forced to Pay For Those Who Choose This Lifestyle of Homosexual Behavior)"

False.

"I Do Not Blame Innocent Victims Such As Children and Blood Transfusion Patients."

No one cares who you blame. You're an ignorant, bigoted homophobe.

February 5, 2013 at 4:25 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Male homosexual and lesbian activists only allow AIDS information that does not deal in any way with male homosexual anal sex, rimming, fisting, feces eating and coccidian GUT PARASITES they pass off as OPPORTUNISTIC INFECTIONS. Our Boy Scout (Toddlers & Otherwise...Do Not Need Any of These:

Below is a Partial List of Diseases Caused by Certain Homosexual Behaviors: Traumatic proctitis, Rectal gonorrhea, Anal warts, HIV/AIDS, Nonspecific procitis (from chlamydia and other STDs), Anorectal herpes, Anorectal syphilis, Hepatitis B, Rectal trichomoniasis, Lymphogranuloma venereum, Anorectal granuloma inguinale, Anorectal chancroid, Cytomegalovirus, Anorectal candidiasis, many more.

Ken ORR

February 5, 2013 at 4:26 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Orr,

"Heterosexual Parents Give Birth to Offspring Who Have Choice, Preference, Free Will, Liberty of Free Agency."

Not when it comes to sexuality.

"This Includes Freedom to Become a Drain on Our Health Care System When They Choose Sexual Behaviors Which Cost Innocent American Citizen Taxpayers Hundreds of Millions of Hard Earned Dollars."

Utterly false.

"To Promote Homosexual Marriage is to Promote The Behavior."

Promoting homosexual marriage is promoting equal rights. A lot of people do a lot of things that are detrimental to their health but I don't hear you bitching about all the money that goes to people with diabetes or other preventable diseases.

"Please be Aware That the General Public May be Put at Risk by the Homosexual Population From Something as Common as Movie Theater Seats."

False.

"This is Due to the Loss of Anatomical Control Caused by the Kind of Behavior Homosexual Individuals Often Prefer."

False.

February 5, 2013 at 4:29 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Below is a Partial List of Diseases Caused by Certain Heterosexual Behaviors: Traumatic proctitis, gonorrhea, genital warts, HIV/AIDS, Nonspecific procitis (from chlamydia and other STDs), herpes, syphilis, Hepatitis B, trichomoniasis, Lymphogranuloma venereum, granuloma inguinale, chancroid, Cytomegalovirus, candidiasis and any other STD you can think of.

Your ignorance will be pointed out for all to see.

February 5, 2013 at 4:31 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Will you answer my questions, Orr? They ask pertinent questions about your mental state of being.

February 5, 2013 at 4:50 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Orr wrote ; "Please be Aware That the General Public May be Put at Risk by the Homosexual Population From Something as Common as Movie Theater Seats."

Orr, are you still trying to sit naked in the theater again? Maybe if you would eat your popcorn out of the box rather than off the theater seat you might not have butter-butt.

Orr skipped science classes (along with history, ethics, biology, astronomy, geology) but was a proud member of the Lunatic Fringe Club.

Does that mean church pews make normal people speak in tongues, drink poisons without effect, writhe like snakes in the aisle, and make them homophobic?

Orr, you're a sad, uneducated fool. But I do enjoy laughing at your self-imposed idiocy.

February 5, 2013 at 4:50 p.m.
Ozzy87 said...

Orr and Cons are perfect examples of how being an extremist Christian and the Taliban are the two sides of the same coin.They both subscribe to the June Griffin alter of anyone disagreeing with their twisted religious beliefs and resists their attempts to force their warped religious views into our secular laws should be burned on a stake. The only reason the Boy Scouts are reviewing their ban is money. They have lost major contributors such as UPS, Intel, BOA, and U.S.Bank. If they want to be a PRIVATE organization, fine. Then suck it up, buttercup, and shell out money out of THEIR OWN WALLETS, instead of sniveling around for corporate donations that dry up when they run afoul of a donor's nondiscrimination policies.

February 5, 2013 at 5:35 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Does anyone else find it strange that Ken Orr has these posts at the ready, most likely in a Word document, to copy and paste here? Every single one of the posts he has used here today has been recycled multiple times. I suspect Ken has much deeper problems than any of us truly know or can surmise from his posts here.

February 5, 2013 at 6:51 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Is there something wrong when i want fellow humans to be delivered from cruel bondages? Only Jesus Christ, through His sorrowful sufferings and cruel crucification on Calvary's Cross can deliver them. Jesus Christ shed great drops of blood so that we all might have life, and life more abundantly. Please tell me, what is wrong with that? What else could He do through His great love for us all? Was this not enough?

Ken ORR

February 5, 2013 at 9:06 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Ken Orr,

"Is there something wrong when i want fellow humans to be delivered from cruel bondages?"

The only one here in bondage is you. Bondage of your deluded mind.

"Only Jesus Christ, through His sorrowful sufferings and cruel crucification on Calvary's Cross can deliver them."

Prove it. Prove your Bible is infallible. Prove your god is real.

"Jesus Christ shed great drops of blood so that we all might have life, and life more abundantly."

Bullsh!t. That's just what you read in a book. You wouldn't believe me if I said Mufasa from the Lion King shed great drops of blood so that we all might have life. Why should I believe your ancient tale?

"Please tell me, what is wrong with that?"

It's a myth. People have been telling you that for a while now.

"What else could He do through His great love for us all? Was this not enough?"

"He" can do nothing nor has "he" done anything. "He" isn't real. Just another mythical god.

February 5, 2013 at 9:15 p.m.
GratefulDawg said...

"Please be Aware That the General Public May be put at Risk by the Homosexual Population From Something as Common as Movie Theatre Seats. --ORRMEANSLIGHT"

The only bodily fluids that have been recorded to transmit the HIV virus are blood, semen, and breast milk. What kind of theatre are you frequenting Orr?

February 5, 2013 at 9:24 p.m.
Easy123 said...

GratefulDawg,

To add to your point, those fluids must come in contact with mucous membranes and, even then, your chances are not 100% to contract the disease. Basically, you can't contract HIV from sitting on it.

February 5, 2013 at 9:26 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Orr wrote: "What else could He do through His great love for us all?"

Made sure that some of His followers wouldn't be such ignorant, intolerant, anti-intellectual fools.

February 5, 2013 at 9:37 p.m.
GratefulDawg said...

Easy,

Thanks for the addendum. The odds of being struck by lightning and attacked by a polar bear on the same day are greater than that of catching HIV from a theatre seat. I guess good old fashioned fear mongering and reasoned thought just can't coincide with one another.

Keep fighting the good fight.

February 5, 2013 at 9:47 p.m.
eholmes2 said...

Curious, where in the Bible exactly does it say to turn your back on sinners. Never read that part. Judgement is in the hands of God himself and him alone.

Luke 6:37 “Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven;

Matthew 7:1-5 “Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.

Romans 14:1-23 As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand. One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. ...

1 Corinthians 4:1-21 This is how one should regard us, as servants of Christ and stewards of the mysteries of God. Moreover, it is required of stewards that they be found trustworthy. But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged by you or by any human court. In fact, I do not even judge myself. For I am not aware of anything against myself, but I am not thereby acquitted. It is the Lord who judges me. Therefore do not pronounce judgment before the time, before the Lord comes, who will bring to light the things now hidden in darkness and will disclose the purposes of the heart. Then each one will receive his commendation from God. ...

Just came back from cub scouts with my son, and I find this nonsense. Why is it so many you use Christianity and faith as a weapon. I have always assumed my home state of Georgia was the capital of ignorant rants but tonight Tennessee is sure giving us a run for our money. Actually try reading a Bible before you seek to condemn someone with it.

February 5, 2013 at 10:05 p.m.
fairmon said...

Allowing or not allowing gays in Boy Scouts should not be an issue as long as participation is not mandatory. Parents have the option of not having their kid participate in the scouts.

February 6, 2013 at 4:49 a.m.
fairmon said...

Allowing or not allowing gays in Boy Scouts should not be an issue as long as participation is not mandatory. Parents have the option of not having their kid participate in the scouts.

February 6, 2013 at 4:49 a.m.
conservative said...

eholmes2:

"Curious, where in the Bible exactly does it say to turn your back on sinners. Never read that part. Judgement is in the hands of God himself and him alone."

Nowhere in the Bible does it ''exactly" "say to turn your back on sinners" that is correct.

However, in order keep the church pure in its doctrine and practice, unrepentant sinners are to be put out of fellowship with true believers. If they act like they are lost the church is to treat them as lost.

Matthew 18:15-17.

15 “If your brother sins against you, go and rebuke him in private. If he listens to you, you have won your brother. 16 But if he won’t listen, take one or two more with you, so that by the testimony of two or three witnesses every fact may be established. 17 If he pays no attention to them, tell the church. But if he doesn’t pay attention even to the church, let him be like an unbeliever and a tax collector to you.

one more which is germane to the topic at hand:

1 Corinthians 5:1-5, and 5:9-11 5:1 It is widely reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and the kind of sexual immorality that is not even condoned among the Gentiles —a man is living with his father’s wife. 2 And you are inflated with pride, instead of filled with grief so that he who has committed this act might be removed from among you. 3 For though absent in body but present in spirit, I have already decided about him who has done this thing as though I were present. 4 In the name of our Lord Jesus, when you are assembled, along with my spirit and with the power of our Lord Jesus, 5 turn that one over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the Day of the Lord.

I wrote to you in a letter not to associate with sexually immoral people — 10 by no means referring to this world’s immoral people, or to the greedy and swindlers, or to idolaters; otherwise you would have to leave the world. 11 But now I am writing you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother who is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a reviler, a drunkard or a swindler. Do not even eat with such a person.

February 6, 2013 at 7:50 a.m.
dao1980 said...

Yes Conny, you're absolutely right. Shut and lock those doors so no one who doesn't fit your mold can enter. Banish all who disagree with your rigid self serving interpretations of "the word".

The sooner you can get the heathens out of church, the sooner you'll have to pay the light bill all by yourself.

February 6, 2013 at 8:32 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

I do not understand why it is so important for gays to be welcomed into any and every organisation. Why can't everyone just let the Boy Scouts be? If you don't like their policies, don't take your kid there. If you are gay and want to do things like the Boy Scouts do no one is stopping you.

The ones that demand the Boy Scouts fit their social template are the ones that look intolerant here.

February 6, 2013 at 9:40 a.m.
Easy123 said...

BRP,

"I do not understand why it is so important for gays to be welcomed into any and every organisation."

The same reason it's important for heterosexuals, African-Americans, women, Hispanics, etc. to be welcomed into any and every organization, you bigot.

"Why can't everyone just let the Boy Scouts be? If you don't like their policies, don't take your kid there."

Why didn't everyone just let Jim Crow laws be? If you don't like them, move!

See how dumb that sounds? You might not grasp this but you're advocating discrimination.

"If you are gay and want to do things like the Boy Scouts do no one is stopping you."

What about gay's that want to be Boy Scouts? People are actually stopping them from being Boy Scouts.

"The ones that demand the Boy Scouts fit their social template are the ones that look intolerant here."

Are you aware how moronic you sound? You're saying the people that want everyone to be able to be a Boy Scout are being intolerant while the Boy Scouts discriminating based on sexuality isn't?

I guess we should all just accept discrimination and bigotry, right? Doing or thinking otherwise would be intolerant, correct? No serious, logical person can honestly think like that.

February 6, 2013 at 10:15 a.m.
conservative said...

And some people call this guy conservative!

February 6, 2013 at 12:15 p.m.
fairmon said...

Parents should make it a point to know who the scout master is who the other scouts are and ages. Parents with objections a scout group should not allow their kid to go. There is nothing scouts do that cannot be done without being a part of the scout organization except the tokens and titles.

February 6, 2013 at 6:36 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

And again the Lord said, “Behold there is a place near me, and thou shalt stand upon the rock. And when my glory shall pass by, I will set thee in a hole of the rock, and protect thee with my right hand, till I pass. And I will take away my hand, and thou shalt see my back parts, but my face thou canst not see.” —Exodus 33:20-23

God couldn't be a Scout Leader either. Teasing and showing his holy ass. He certainly can't go camping with the boys again wearing butt-less chaps.

"For Christ's sake God, put on some pants." Moses

February 6, 2013 at 7:28 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

daytonsdarwin,

Knock, Knock, Knock! The Lord God of Hosts has a message for You. Please read, recieve, and.......Selah. kwo

"For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath

counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God."

Amen ***Hebrews 10:26-31

February 7, 2013 at 8:18 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

daytonsdarwin,

Knock, Knock, Knock! The Lord God of Hosts has a message for You. Please read, recieve, and.......Selah. kwo

"Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.

But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;

And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness...cursed children: Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor...These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.

For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the Holy commandment delivered unto them.

But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts...The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Amen From I & II Peter

Jesus Christ Sees, Yes, He Sees!<<<

February 7, 2013 at 8:42 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Just reporting from the Bible, Orr. Just some more of the silly, fanciful stories from your book of fairy-tales.

But Jehovah certainly couldn't be a Scout Leader after showing his butt, could he?

Maybe he was showing that he's more open-minded than you thought. More of a Paul Lynde than Stalin.

What's wrong with a deity with a sense of humor? Maybe Jehovah thought it was a fancy-dress party. I'd certainly like a deity that laughed and not so grumpy, vengeful, and genocidal.

Not a lot of laughter in the Bible with all that Jehovah-inspired rape, pillage, disease, plagues, murder, slavery, and genocide.

Not the kind of people I want to be around; too serious with all that damnation, crying, weeping, wailing, and gnashing of teeth. Be hard to sleep with all that noise.

And for what? A crummy fairy-tale without a happy ending, stale popcorn, and an empty box of Goobers. No wonder Jehovah's not getting any repeat business these days.

Tell Jehovah to lighten up, put on a happy face, and lose all that blood, gloom and doom stuff.

February 7, 2013 at 8:47 p.m.
john3182 said...

I was a cub scout and boy scout, and am an Eagle Scout. On one hand, I can understand the BSA's side of things, protecting young boys from a possible harm. Before you hit reply, let me get one thing clear. I am not suggesting that gays hurt young boys. On the other hand, I see where the gay community is, considering the sexual aspect is rarely brought up within scouting. My opinion? If full background checks aren't already in place, then put them in place. Gay scout leaders should probably just leave that part of their lives out of scouting all together, as it doesn't pertain to any merit badges or anything. if a scoutmaster is homosexual, there is a time and place for that, and in my opinion sexual preference, or sex at all, is not appropriate for the boy scouts, scout leader or scouts themselves. So, what if there is a boy scout who has openly admitted he is gay to his troop? I only hope that the troop will accept him, but also let him know that there is a time and place for sexual preferences, and the Boy Scouts is not a place that should discuss sexual matters, that it should be talked about through the parents pr legal guardians. Also, we should all respect that the Boy Scouts is a time honored and an upstanding group that has held fast to its rules for over 100 years. It should be respected and given the diligence it has earned over more than a century. No one has had any problems with their rules for 100 years, society needs to pay respect to a program that has helped generations of young boys grow into strong and moral men. After all, Gerald Ford was an Eagle Scout.

February 7, 2013 at 10:07 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Why The Boy Scouts of America Should Ban Homosexual Individuals<<<

'COCCIDIAN' GUT PARASITES: Our Boy Scouts (Toddlers & Otherwise)...Do Not Need Any of These. These are parasitic sporozoans that form spores containing one or more INFECTIVE sporozoites.

Sleeping bags, blankets, handkerchiefs, camping gear can become contaminated.

Orgazinations like The North American Man-Boy Love Association (N.A.M.B.L.A.) most likely produces the most child/toddler sexual molesters. (This is what they advocate). These men have homosexual sex and want to have it with Boy Scouts.

Studies show that many homosexuals focus entirely on the rectums of Innocent Toddlers, and, Other Youth] What was meant to be discarded/expelled from the human body, many homosexuals eat and play in, and, smell as a way of life. This is precisely one of the reasons that our Creator, The Lord God of Hosts, Jesus Christ, calls homosexuals 'DOGS'. Dogs return to, and, eat their own vomit. Dogs are one of the few lower animals who eat their own, and, other Dogs F-E-C-E-S. ERGO, their Creator Calls Them, Rightfully So...DOGS. Homosexuals=DOGS, DOGS=Homosexuals...according to The God of all Creation, He said that, Not Me. SELAH!

February 7, 2013 at 11:10 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Orr,

You are a warped, deranged bigot.

February 8, 2013 at 2:28 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Get help, Ken Orr. TFP, this poster needs to be blocked. That last post was pretty disgusting.

February 8, 2013 at 10:49 a.m.
Ozzy87 said...

Easy123 and Ikeithlu, maybe he needs to talk to some great grandparents. Marriages between dottering old men and sweet young girls were commonplace then. Even now, it is legal in some states for a fourteen year old to get married with a parent's consent. So they shouldn't use the word "pervert" too loudly.

February 8, 2013 at 5:28 p.m.
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