published Wednesday, February 13th, 2013

The Address

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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AndrewLohr said...

Ha.

February 13, 2013 at 12:07 a.m.
Salsa said...

Probably code words for a drone strike.

February 13, 2013 at 12:29 a.m.
carlB said...

Do any of the anti OBAMA people find any disagreements with Rubio's speech? Do they think he was speaking the truth in his criticism of President Obama?

February 13, 2013 at 1 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

SNIP-SNIP, SLICE-SLICE

Thank you Miss Thing for your predictable cry for attention through creative implementation of the old snip-snip, slice-slice.

Like anyone has time to read your drivel.

Ted Nugent deserves to be mocked. His on-stage threat against the President was just lunatic enough to draw the attenion of the Secret Service. And yet he didn't receive a fraction of the outrage and billious scourn heaped on the Dixie Chicks for a crack they made about "Texan" George W. Bush.

BTW, What are the odds that any of our tea bagger pals will post glowing reviews of Obama's SOTU?

Snip-snip, honey, slice-slice.

February 13, 2013 at 1:01 a.m.
TKnTexas said...

I was visiting friends in Ft Hood when the event occurred. Not only that, but the friends I was staying with worked for the Temple VA (now retired). I have followed this, bemused and confused why Hasan is still not convicted and tried.

I have emailed Pres Obama asking about this. I know that in and of itself will not make him JUMP to do the right thing. But he needs to hear from all of us who are appalled by this treatment.

February 13, 2013 at 1:03 a.m.
fairmon said...

Did you ever notice: When you Put the 2 words 'The' and 'IRS' Together it spells 'Theirs'...... Is Irs an abbreviation for irresponsible?

SOTU...what a waste......I repeated myself, sorry about that.

It is hard but apparently not impossible, according to the applause meter, to make chicken liter smell like lavender.

Rebuttal....to replace a butt?

February 13, 2013 at 2:20 a.m.
fairmon said...

carlB said... Do any of the anti OBAMA people find any disagreements with Rubio's speech? Do they think he was speaking the truth in his criticism of President Obama?

CarlB...do you think either of them was speaking the truth?

February 13, 2013 at 2:25 a.m.
alprova said...

carlB wrote: "Do any of the anti OBAMA people find any disagreements with Rubio's speech? Do they think he was speaking the truth in his criticism of President Obama?"

I'm very intrigued by Florida Senator Marco Rubio. He's the first Republican in several years that has a chance to win my support, if I can be convinced that the man is not just another panderer.

I'm not convinced that he is leveling with the public, yet.

Regarding his speech last night, I do have a few of disagreements.

"And because Obamacare created expensive requirements for companies with more than 50 employees, now many of these businesses aren't hiring. Not only that; they're being forced to lay people off and switch from full-time employees to part-time workers."

No one is being forced to lay off anyone. Ignorance, fear, resistance to change, and even good old fashioned greed, is behind decisions to punish workers for what will be meaningful reforms to a for-profit health care system that leaves too many people in this country twisting in the wind.

"And tonight, he even criticized us for refusing to raise taxes to delay military cuts – cuts that were his idea in the first place."

The budget for this nation's military is absolutely over-the-top, and far too much is being spent to sustain a US military presence around the world. Military spending needs to be curtailed to prioritize the defense of THIS nation.

"Of course solar and wind energy should be a part of our energy portfolio. But God also blessed America with abundant coal, oil and natural gas. Instead of wasting more taxpayer money on so-called "clean energy" companies like Solyndra, let's open up more federal lands for safe and responsible exploration. And let's reform our energy regulations so that they're reasonable and based on common sense. If we can grow our energy industry, it will make us energy independent..."

Energy independence is a myth unless we're getting serious about exploring alternative sources of energy to replace that which is certain to be depleted in the future. Fossil fuels need to phased out, rather than new sources foraged. If this nation is not prepared to transform to new sources of energy when fossil fuels are depleted, the Great Depression will look like a one-day stock market dip.

(To be continued)

February 13, 2013 at 3:48 a.m.
alprova said...

(Continued)

"The President loves to blame the debt on President Bush. But President Obama created more debt in four years than his predecessor did in eight."

This complaint is getting rather old. I haven't heard or read the President blaming Bush for the debt in several years.

But let's be realistic. Since the day that Barack Obama took office, he has been dealing with the responsibility of winding down two very expensive wars, an extremely damaged economy, and persistently stubborn unemployment. In addition to that, GWB absolutely spearheaded tax cuts that were not only unrealistic, they further contributed to a trend of deficit spending at a time when this nation's military spending went through the roof.

Is GWB to blame for all of this? No, but he is responsible for spoiling upper income people with unrealistic lower taxes at a time when more taxes were needed to pay for the expenses that come with increased military excursions.

Cutting taxes, a popular strategy for Republicans as a means to create jobs, has not worked AT ALL, since the Bush tax cuts have been in effect. Job growth since they were instituted twelve and a half years ago has not supported any assertion that lower taxes creates jobs.

"We must effectively deal with the rise of violence in our country. But unconstitutionally undermining the 2nd Amendment rights of law-abiding Americans is not the way to do it."

No one, and I do mean no one with the power to do so, is proposing or has proposed to unconstitutionally undermine the 2nd Amendment rights of anyone. This is one statement I find patently false.

The rest of his speech was a bit flowery. His vision of a new parent looking into the eyes of their newborn and envisioning great things for them would have been more realistic had he had them wondering if they were capable of providing the basics to this child for the next eighteen years.

February 13, 2013 at 3:49 a.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "CarlB...do you think either of them was speaking the truth?"

What is your version of the truth and who speaks it?

You spend a great deal of time trashing both parties, so who is the man or woman you feel not only speaks the truth 100% of the time, but who you feel would wave their magic wand and save us all?

February 13, 2013 at 3:57 a.m.
hambone said...

Nugent is a waste of SKIN!

February 13, 2013 at 5:34 a.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said... Fairmon wrote: "CarlB...do you think either of them was speaking the truth?"

What is your version of the truth and who speaks it?

You spend a great deal of time trashing both parties, so who is the man or woman you feel not only speaks the truth 100% of the time, but who you feel would wave their magic wand and save us all?

The truth is the actual state of the union, the conditions that exist. The person most likely to lead us effectively is not in politics now and probably not willing to become involved in the world of double speak and delusions therefore not electable.

February 13, 2013 at 6:33 a.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said...

Energy independence is a myth unless we're getting serious about exploring alternative sources of energy to replace that which is certain to be depleted in the future. Fossil fuels need to phased out, rather than new sources foraged. If this nation is not prepared to transform to new sources of energy when fossil fuels are depleted, the Great Depression will look like a one-day stock market dip.

It is not a myth but a real possibility with the right leadership. It will retain the wealth being transferred to other countries here enabliing identifying and utilizing alternative sources. I do agree with Obama's proposed reduced consumption by 50% over the next 20 years. Energy cost is a cruel tax on lower incomes.

February 13, 2013 at 6:51 a.m.
dude_abides said...

Broken promises? Ted Nugent said he would be dead or in prison by now. To "Journey to the Center of his Mind" you'd have to go in through his a$$.

February 13, 2013 at 7:36 a.m.
dude_abides said...

OMG I didn't know rum came in 'funsize' bottles!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-V-So1NSXw

February 13, 2013 at 7:42 a.m.
Easy123 said...

dude,

Do you think there is a central office where Republicans and Teabaggers get together to compile their propaganda/lies/talking points to fax/email/homing pigeon/Facebook post to their constituents? It really does seem like they all get the same memo everyday about what lies, propaganda, talking points to use. It seems Rubio was just reading from that list.

February 13, 2013 at 7:59 a.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "The truth is the actual state of the union, the conditions that exist. The person most likely to lead us effectively is not in politics now and probably not willing to become involved in the world of double speak and delusions therefore not electable."

So when are you going to announce your candidacy to try?

February 13, 2013 at 8:52 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Bennett sucks more every day. You would think that someone who does this for a living could be more creative, put more thought into his work.

If it was not for the people who post on the TFP site Bennett's page would be a complete waste of time.

February 13, 2013 at 8:56 a.m.
prairie_dog said...

What, me worry?

By raising the minimum wage to $9.00 an hour, only two workers out of nine have to be laid off to give the raise to the other seven. People on welfare won't worry about job loss. People already on social security won't worry about it. And with less money to spend because of the tax hikes, the public is not going to be spending the extra money it would take to raise everybody to nine bucks.

And hey . . . what about that rogue cop out in California? How come they've got the whole state mobilized to catch the guy, and can't manage to do it? He had to go on another rampage so they could track him and kill him by following the noise. How are the cops supposed to protect me when they cannot protect themselves?

And, alprova, Senator Rubio was in fact correct about businesses not hiring because of the expense of Obamacare. A decent family medical insurance policy costs around $14,000 per year. I know that, because I just got my statement of benefits. My employer pays almost $10,000 of it. You tell ME what business with 50 people is going to take on a new expense of $510,000.00 by hiring that 51st worker.

February 13, 2013 at 8:56 a.m.
alprova said...

It's been interesting to notice a senses of yawning to Senator Rand Paul's Tea Party response to the State of the Union speech. The press has added a small paragraph at the end of every story following a rather extensive digest of Marco Rubio's rebuttal.

I'm sure that there are still a bunch of Tea Party hopefuls running around the country, including right here in Chattanooga, but the movement seems to have peaked and orgasmed in November, 2010.

Any re-branding attempts by the Republican Party, if current indications hold, is going to leave ultra-right wingers out in the cold.

February 13, 2013 at 9:08 a.m.
carlB said...

REPUBLIC vs. DEMOCRACY http://www.1215.org/lawnotes/lawnotes/repvsdem.htm


I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

SUMMARY

In the Pledge of Allegiance we all pledge allegiance to our Republic, not to a democracy. "Republic" is the proper description of our government, not "democracy." I invite you to join me in raising public awareness regarding that distinction. A republic and a democracy are identical in every aspect except one. In a republic the sovereignty is in each individual person. In a democracy the sovereignty is in the group.

February 13, 2013 at 9:11 a.m.
carlB said...

What ARE The True OBJECTIVES of the ANTI OBAMA AND ANTI GOVERNMENT "GROUPS"? We Need to Think About Why There are people so violently against President Obama getting elected and reelected? We know that "bias" and "religion" are two reasons the voters, are against the President and other Democratic candidates. But why would the voters continue to vote for the political party that was bent on the destruction of this Republic

February 13, 2013 at 9:11 a.m.
carlB said...

You have probably noticed, the continuation of the Republican party leaders setting up their negative attacks on the Democratic party, getting their points in the record books, in preparing to try their same tactics to win the 2014 and the 2016 elections. There is not any doubt, there are plenty of issues that we Need to talk and think About. The correct questions have to be asked for discussing and understanding why the voters and our "leaders" are divided in their thinking about the best ways of solving our economic crisis conditions instead of making them worse. The voters decided on November 6, 2012 on which direction they wanted this country taken and whom they wanted to be the leader for the next four years.

Apparently we still have some of the same enemies of President Obama that wanted to cause his failure during his first term? The realistic and the sensible voters got wise to His "enemies" and their use of negative strategies/tactics, with their bashing, lying, obstructionism and their deliberately causing gridlock.

February 13, 2013 at 9:14 a.m.
Easy123 said...

prairie_dog,

"only two workers out of nine have to be laid off to give the raise to the other seven."

Why not just take a little out of the CEO's salary that makes 20 times what the average worker makes?

"And with less money to spend because of the tax hikes, the public is not going to be spending the extra money it would take to raise everybody to nine bucks."

The public will absolutely spend their money. That's what people do. They earn money to spend it. That stimulates the economy.

"How are the cops supposed to protect me when they cannot protect themselves?"

I didn't know it was so easy to find one, well-armed, specially trained individual in a 100 square miles area. But I guess this will just devolve into another one of your cases for AR-15's. Maybe we should just eliminate cops and give everyone guns.

"And, alprova, Senator Rubio was in fact correct about businesses not hiring because of the expense of Obamacare."

What Alprova said was more accurate. Obamacare hasn't even been fully implemented yet. Any layoffs are due to speculation.

"You tell ME what business with 50 people is going to take on a new expense of $510,000.00 by hiring that 51st worker."

They can always just pay the penalty. If the demand is high enough, businesses will hire however many people they need. Most good businesses would do the moral thing and afford their employees good healthcare benefits regardless.

February 13, 2013 at 9:15 a.m.
conservative said...

alprova,

my quote:

"JESUS CAN NOT AND WILL NOT DECEIVE OR LIE!"

your blasphemy :

"Was Jesus a perfect man while on Earth? Although few and far between, there is scripture that suggests that Jesus was not perfect. Is he perfect now? The Bible does not make that clear. Would it be a sin for him to come to Earth as we have suggested? Why would you think that?"

=========================================

"WHO DID NO SIN, NEITHER WAS GUILE FOUND IN HIS MOUTH" 1Peter 2:22

"WHO DID NO SIN, NEITHER WAS GUILE FOUND IN HIS MOUTH" 1Peter 2:22

"WHO DID NO SIN, NEITHER WAS GUILE FOUND IN HIS MOUTH" 1Peter 2:22

What a blasphemous liar you are!

You don't know God from a hole in the ground.

I have known it all along.

Now, will you definitely state whether you profess to be a Christian or not?

Just state "I am a Christian" or "I am not a Christian"

February 13, 2013 at 9:25 a.m.
Easy123 said...

LMFAO! Conservative is going on 3 or 4 days now.

February 13, 2013 at 9:33 a.m.
carlB said...

alprova, thank you for showing the sensible and good judgment in using/taking a comprehensive approach to moving this Republic foward while having to "rebutt" all of the people who appear to have lost their direction and their good judgment in trying to force the destruction of this USA on the rest of us. There are situations/conditions/events occurring, being caused by the anti government people, with 2nd Amendment people wanting the government to not pass any more "gun" restrictions. which could possibly prevent them from having weapons for protecting themselves if the government over stepped their authority or if there was another great depression. Another great depression could create the circumstances of having "Anarchy" to occur in the USA and even to occur world wide. From all of the indications, there are many people who would prefer to live in an "Anarchy Rule" than to live in a balanced "Republic" with laws and a government strong enough to keep the needed balanced conditions.

February 13, 2013 at 9:34 a.m.
carlB said...

The loss of US workers' jobs have been caused from the effects of the global economy, with a trade deficit of more than $48 Billion dollars PER MONTH. Now they are against helping the private sectors in re-creating the needed manufacturing/production jobs here? Is this the "free enterprise system" conditions that Rubio was talking about in his speech last night?

February 13, 2013 at 9:47 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Just state "I am a Christian" or "I am not a Christian"

The more you post the more people are being turned off to the idea of being a Christian, conservative. It appears to make one hateful, soft in the brain and obsessive, if your experience is any measure.

February 13, 2013 at 10:08 a.m.
timbo said...

The joke here is Obama. He is the most unqualified, lying, socialist, average, piece of crap that has ever been in the office. I don't listen to him, watch him, give him any respect whatsoever. As far as I am concerned he is so different from conservatives as amoebas are to mammals. We are the mammals.

So whatever you liberals, Bennett, socialist cheer-leading media, or President Piss Ant says doesn't mean a whole lot.

Republicans need to make sure nothing happens until the elections in 2 years. Obstruct, obstruct, obstruct.... To keep bantering with you liberal fools is beneath conservatives. Talking to liberals is like explaining the Theory of Relativity to a monkey.

Is that clear enough for you liberal idiots?

February 13, 2013 at 10:12 a.m.
carlB said...

tu_quoque said... CBO: Government to Spend $47.2 Trillion Over Next 10 Years ================= Reply: tu_quoque, why do you not follow up and explain why the US Government would have to be spending that amount of money? Unless we did the right things for the good of this Republic for getting more REVENUE FROM re-creating the mmiddle class and more jobs here in the USA and stop the US consumers causinbg a $40 - $50 Billions dollars PER MONTH from buying the imported goods of the global corporations. Do the math!

February 13, 2013 at 10:13 a.m.
caddy said...

Good one Clay !

February 13, 2013 at 10:16 a.m.
conservative said...

"Gallup: Americans Disapprove of Obama on Nearly Every Issue"

"According to a Gallup poll, 42% of Americans approve of Obama’s gun policies while 54% disapprove."

"On taxes, 41% approve and 57% disapprove."

"On the economy, 39% approve and 60% disapprove."

"On “the situation in the Middle East between the Israelis and the Palestinians,” 36% approve and 55% disapprove."

"And on the federal budget deficit, 31% approve and 65% disapprove."

http://visiontoamerica.com/13962/gallup-americans-disapprove-of-obama-on-nearly-every-issue/

February 13, 2013 at 10:17 a.m.
prairie_dog said...

The reason the voters are bringing down the Republic through their choices is that they are ignorant and have the naive belief that somebody bigger, better and smarter than them (Daddy?) will come along and make it all better. Somebody else can study science and math. I'm going to sit here and compose songs, waiting for my big break, and let everybody else decide how to pay my social security and pension benefits.

All of the speculation about how we're going to grow businesses and pay for Obamacare and all that stuff is based on an assumption that human beings are good and responsible. What world are you living in to think that is true?

By the way, a long gun is a stupid choice for home defense unless it's a shotgun. Most people are not going to hit anything they aim at. A pistol for close in defense -- not much past arm's length -- is what a homeowner needs. If pointing it at a bad guy won't work, then shoot him when he closes in on you.

And by the way, the big magazines for automatic pistols are wishful thinking. You'd better hit your assailant with the first shot, because an automatic is very likely to jam if you load it and let it sit around for four or five years without firing it. A double-action revolver is the best bet . . . even if one chamber misfires, you move on to the next in the time it takes to pull the trigger.

And, if you decide to merely "pay the fine" for failing to insure your workers, hiring number 51 still means that you have to come up with over $100,000 to do so. Big corporations with "CEO" types at the top can certainly cough up the money. They should. It should be a done deal. The guy who can't handle it is the local construction company, or the trash collection company, or the restaurant owner who isn't making much more than $100,000 after expenses anyway. Those are the guys who create most of the new jobs, especially for the unskilled or marginally skilled workers who NEED healthcare from an employer.

Screw the Democrats.

Screw the Republicans.

Screw the Tea Party.

Our system has failed because people vote themselves an easy choice based on their individual, selfish needs, instead of what is good for the whole country.

I'm going to go drive around in rush hour traffic until I'm rear-ended by a Mercedes, or a BMW, or a Cadillac, and then call me one of them "supersize" TV lawyers to get the settlement I deserve . . . .

February 13, 2013 at 10:17 a.m.
Easy123 said...

conservative,

"According to a Gallup poll, 42% of Americans approve of Obama’s gun policies while 54% disapprove."

They actually do approve of the President's gun policies and overwhelmingly so. Republicans just don't approve of President Obama. Republicans won't support things they actually support if Obama proposes it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/01/15/president-obamas-fine-line-on-guns/

February 13, 2013 at 10:28 a.m.
just_wondering said...

conservtive...you do know that OCD is a treatable mental disorder don't you? You should let it go and move on to a different subject. You sound like the leader of the Westboro Baptist Church. You have absolutely NO chance of convincing anyone to convert to Christianity. Your ravings about inconsequential things merely serves to push people away from any possibility of following your beliefs. You drone on and on about the same stupid crap day after day,what the hell is your problem. I can't for the life of me figure out why alprova even responds to your lunacy. You are obviously a religious zealot and can't be taken seriously by someone who has a differing opinion of Christianity. You remind me of a mentally disturbed lunatic who stands on a street corner shouting "the end is near". If I were looking into Christianity as a philosophy and belief system you would have me running as far and fast into the hills as I could go.

February 13, 2013 at 11:31 a.m.
conservative said...

Avowed atheist ( The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Psalm 14.1) and "proud heathen" IKEITHLU wrote:

"The more you post the more people are being turned off to the idea of being a Christian, conservative. It appears to make one hateful, soft in the brain and obsessive, if your experience is any measure."

February 13, 2013 at 1:09 p.m.
fairmon said...

A successful value investor recently opined:

The short-term palliatives we are currently pursuing go against everything a long-term-oriented society should aspire to achieve. Today's policies encourage spending over savings, reward the profligate over the prudent, and support the failing at the expense of the successful. The antidote now being dispensed puts us squarely in uncharted territory in which the risks are outside the range of historical experience…

Edward Gibbon, the great British historian who chronicled the rise and fall of the first great Western civilization:

In the end, more than freedom, they wanted security. They wanted a comfortable life and they lost it all – security, comfort, and freedom. When the Athenians finally wanted not to give to society but for society to give to them, when the freedom they wished for most was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free and was never free again.

Are we there yet? All the yap from both parties is how much to slow down the rate of debt growth. Their squabble appears to be whether to have 26+ trillion debt in ten years or only 25 trillion. No more do you hear give me liberty or give me death..instead you hear is well since it is free I will another piece of chicken.

February 13, 2013 at 1:24 p.m.
fairmon said...

Taking more from the wealthy works well until they are no longer among the wealthy. How many would be willing and think it a good idea for local, state and federal governments to confiscate all income over $250,000 in a year? Over $500,000? Over $1 million?

February 13, 2013 at 1:31 p.m.
conservative said...

Speaking of Ted Nugent about Owebama:

"I believe his agenda is to bring a bastardized version of fairness," Nugent said. "I'm just a guitar player, so bear with me. So, those that pay all the taxes, in order to be fair, have to pay more... but those who don't pay any, get to keep paying nothing?"

February 13, 2013 at 1:36 p.m.
jesse said...

"The past is prologue"! Good luck convincing anyone here of that Fairmon!!

February 13, 2013 at 1:47 p.m.
alprova said...

Timbo wrote: "The joke here is Obama. He is the most unqualified, lying, socialist, average, piece of crap that has ever been in the office."

Opinion noted. No facts here.

"I don't listen to him, watch him, give him any respect whatsoever."

Then if you never listen or watch him, how is it that you know him to be the most "unqualified, lying, socialist, average, piece of crap that has ever been in the office?"

"As far as I am concerned he is so different from conservatives as amoebas are to mammals. We are the mammals."

No...he is very much a mammal, just as you are. He just cares about more of his fellow mammals than perhaps you and many of your fellow conservatives do.

"So whatever you liberals, Bennett, socialist cheer-leading media, or President Piss Ant says doesn't mean a whole lot."

You seem to forget that what you say does not mean a whole lot as well. You're as much a peon as all the rest of us.

"Republicans need to make sure nothing happens until the elections in 2 years. Obstruct, obstruct, obstruct...."

If that is the tact taken, they will suffer the consequences...not the Democrats. Like it is in a football game, it is the President and his teammates who are in control of the football.

Obama, the team star, ran it in for a touchdown.

"To keep bantering with you liberal fools is beneath conservatives. Talking to liberals is like explaining the Theory of Relativity to a monkey."

What's the matter? Can't handle the fact that your beliefs, agendas, or concern for others are just not popular with most people any longer?

"Is that clear enough for you liberal idiots?"

Geez...I'm sorry. By the time I reached the end of your post, I forgot most of your points. Would you mind repeating yourself?

February 13, 2013 at 2:25 p.m.
chatt_man said...

It's indeed a true statement fairmon, and I agree with jesse. There's just no overlooking it, and the ones that act as if they've never heard it, have no rebuttal to it. Taking more and more money is a half-baked plan, and part of the reason we haven't had a Senate budget in the last 4 years.

Isn't there something about that in the Constitution? Oh, that's right, it's out of date and we're not supposed to consider it anymore...

February 13, 2013 at 2:30 p.m.
whatsnottaken said...

If we can just ban assault rifles, we can knock 4% off the homicide rate for firearm deaths in this country. You just keepa da hands off da handguns.

February 13, 2013 at 2:30 p.m.
alprova said...

prarie_dog wrote: "And, alprova, Senator Rubio was in fact correct about businesses not hiring because of the expense of Obamacare."

You and I know that there are many people out there claiming all kinds of things, but the simple fact is that any requirements that have been imposed on so much as one employer as a result of ObamaCare hasn't kicked in yet.

"A decent family medical insurance policy costs around $14,000 per year. I know that, because I just got my statement of benefits. My employer pays almost $10,000 of it."

Then you have a very good health care plan. A quick check reveals that the AVERAGE employer across the country, including any HSA contributions that they offer per employee, a PPO plan runs just over $10,000 per year, an HMO plan runs about $160 more, and a consumer-directed health plan, which prioritizes most medical costs be paid from an HSA, runs about $8,000 a year.

I'm quite sure that there are employers out there offering some rather expensive health care plans, which causes that $14,000 figure you quoted to come into the picture. It is not the average however.

And because we are still being issued health care plans that are not a part of what ObamaCare has yet to offer everyone yet, any recent rises in costs for them are due to the old system.

"You tell ME what business with 50 people is going to take on a new expense of $510,000.00 by hiring that 51st worker."

Any business that has the need to hire additional employees, based on any increase in sales for whatever product or service it offers to its customers.

Goodness knows that there are potentially as many stupid people running businesses as there are working for them. If they are content to limit their potential to earn money, basing all their business decisions to refrain from expanding their businesses due to as yet a requirement to provide health care to their employees, which they are probably doing currently, then let them go out of business.

Let businesses thrive that DO see the sense in providing the best compensation packages to earn not only more money, but that attract the people who work for them that make that a probability.

Any employer who is planning to make part-time employees out of all their staff, deserves the headaches that will come with hiring and maintaining a full staff of good workers at all times.

It's a novel idea, but I am quite convinced that it is a trend that will not last for very long at all, if they value the reputation of their businesses.

February 13, 2013 at 2:56 p.m.
LaughingBoy said...

There were much worse things said about President Bush by musicians and actors, and many times they were ignored or even applauded by the media-or other celebrities.

The comparison to the Dixie Chicks is off-base. Most of the criticism came from the general public, especially country music fans. The media for the most part backed them.

February 13, 2013 at 3 p.m.
alprova said...

conservative wrote: "Gallup: Americans Disapprove of Obama on Nearly Every Issue"

Wasn't it Gallup that was predicting an easy win for Mitt Romney, right up to the last minute?

They are as accurate in seeking the opinions of all Americans, as Fox News is, whenever they take a poll.

February 13, 2013 at 3:04 p.m.
conservative said...

Was this the biggest lie Owebama told last night?

"Let me repeat: Nothing I'm proposing tonight should increase our deficit by a single dime."

February 13, 2013 at 3:40 p.m.
chatt_man said...

I hope so, conservative. At least we all know that lie. The same statement was said by him about OwebamaCare. We already owe more than all the "rich" can pay.

February 13, 2013 at 3:54 p.m.
jesse said...

According to the cartoon the more you lie the bigger your EARS get!

February 13, 2013 at 4:27 p.m.
alprova said...

chatt_man wrote: "Isn't there something about that in the Constitution? Oh, that's right, it's out of date and we're not supposed to consider it anymore..."

There is no requirement in the Constitution requiring Congress to pass budgets. Spending must be approved by Congress, but budgets have only been around since 1974.

February 13, 2013 at 4:49 p.m.
alprova said...

Mr. Bennett, you captured John Boehner perfectly. I watched last night and not only did the man never crack a smile, it almost appeared at times that he was going to offer a retort several times.

His reactions were hilarious!!

February 13, 2013 at 5:10 p.m.
conservative said...

Owebama last night :

"Let me repeat: Nothing I'm proposing tonight should increase our deficit by a single dime."

"Let me repeat: Nothing I'm proposing tonight should increase our deficit by a single dime."

"Let me repeat: Nothing I'm proposing tonight should increase our deficit by a single dime."

"And I ask this Congress to help create a network of 15 of these hubs and guarantee that the next revolution in manufacturing is made right here in America. We can get that done."

And of course there will be no cost because he wants Congress to do it. And of course we all know that when Congress spends the deficit will not increase one dime.

February 13, 2013 at 5:12 p.m.
whatsnottaken said...

Tooney drew a portrait of the Three Stooges

February 13, 2013 at 5:29 p.m.
conservative said...

TFP :

"Tennessee House panel advances guns bill after 6 minutes"

Hmm, 6 shooter, 6 minutes.

February 13, 2013 at 5:31 p.m.
conservative said...

Need an idea for a bumper sticker?

"Nothing I'm proposing tonight should increase our deficit by a single dime."

February 13, 2013 at 6:39 p.m.
alprova said...

conservative wrote: "WHO DID NO SIN, NEITHER WAS GUILE FOUND IN HIS MOUTH" 1Peter 2:22"

Have you even read a thing about the history behind the books of the Bible, to begin to understand who authored the many works that are contained within it?

The books of the Bible were written by many men. Their testimonies are NOT GOD's word. They are their own. Once you begin to understand that, and learn the details of the lives of the many authors, grasping what is you are reading comes much easier.

Thus, 1st Peter, also known as Saint Peter, is credited with writing the New Testament book known as 1 Peter, although there are Biblical scholars who believe that it was written by someone else, after Saint Paul's death, who had a formal education in rhetoric/philosophy and an advanced knowledge of the Greek language, which Saint Paul did not.

1 Peter is a letter. It was written to several churches located in the Asia Minor at the time, members of which were suffering religious persecution.

Thus, the verse you offer up as proof that Jesus never committed sin or deceived anyone, is merely the author's opinion, and nothing more.

The assertion conveyed in that verse is disputed in several areas of the Bible, as are many other beliefs that you hold. The Bible is not perfect. It is filled with many conflicting accounts related by men, no more or no less human, than you and I.

As always, you are free to believe whatever you wish. If it gives you comfort to believe that the Bible is God's holy word, more power to you. Just don't think that you have any lock on the truth or knowledge, when it comes to the Bible.

It grieves me not for one minute that you consider yourself to be a better Christian than I.

And with all due respect, you can stuff that sanctimonious act that you have down pat, where the Sun doesn't shine for so much as one second.

February 13, 2013 at 6:49 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Easy123 said... dude, "Do you think there is a central office where Republicans and Teabaggers get together..."

By all means! Once you circle the wagons you don't need the Pony Express anymore! They're out there finishing each other's sentences, they're so well versed.

Rubio's facial expression made him look like he was watching two naked women play jai alai in Miami. I think I will watch it again with that in mind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-V-So1NSXw

February 13, 2013 at 7:08 p.m.
conservative said...

alprova :

"The books of the Bible were written by many men. Their testimonies are NOT GOD's word. They are their own. Once you begin to understand that, and learn the details of the lives of the many authors, grasping what is you are reading comes much easier."

That is a lie straight out of Hell!

What a blasphemous lie! What a blasphemous liar you are!

It is written :

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." 2 Timothy 3:16-17.

February 13, 2013 at 7:16 p.m.
carlB said...

fairmon said... Taking more from the wealthy works well until they are no longer among the wealthy. How many would be willing and think it a good idea for local, state and federal governments to confiscate all income over $250,000 in a year? Over $500,000? Over $1 million?

Reply: fairmon, you have setup a scenario that sympathizes with the 1% - 2% "rich" who are not patriotic in paying taxes and are using loop holes after "worming" their way into getting the global economy that started out as free trade agreements, but unfair because they were designed for creating trade deficits when the US consumers buy imported goods while the US exports and our manufacturing jobs have been decreasing. Why are you trying to leave the impression that there is a limit on how much money someone can make and if they make more, "all" of the money made above that value will be taken away by the government?
Now, it appears that you do not want to mention anything about who is getting rich and who is getting poorer. Under this global economy's 'race to the bottom" if the conditions were to exist to cause the "Rich" to lose all of their money, then what would be the conditions of the people who have been forced into poverty and are without jobs and money? What do you think the conditions of our US Government would be?

February 13, 2013 at 7:52 p.m.
chatt_man said...

alprova, you are correct, I stand corrected.

I do have two questions, though. Do we have a spending problem, or a revenue shortage problem, due to people not paying their "fair share?" And, if we were to close the most egregious tax loopholes for corporations, would that be enough to make pay off our debt in a reasonable time, given our current spending habits?

February 13, 2013 at 9:45 p.m.
patriot1 said...

I wonder if any of these were in the audience...they have the t-shirts

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/...

February 13, 2013 at 10:22 p.m.
fairmon said...

carlB,,,the question was prompted by the number of people that say the successful don't pay their fair share. Some states are now up to 70% local, state and federal taxes, what do those thinking all wealthy became that way in some unethical way would be a fair share. 12 states now have more people on welfare than they have people working with no improvement in sight. Keep buying those imports and talking about made in America although we may be past the tipping point.

February 13, 2013 at 10:40 p.m.
alprova said...

conservative wrote: "That is a lie straight out of Hell!"

Actually it is a fundamental truth, the proof of which exists here on Earth, you know...the same place the Bible originated as well.

"What a blasphemous lie! What a blasphemous liar you are!"

Oh me...oh my...you really are out there in outer space, aren't you?

"It is written :"

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness..." 1 Timothy 3:16

Wording written by the inspiration of God is nowhere near the same as wording written directly by God. Can you at least grasp that concept?

The Bible was written by mortal men, the same as you and I. Clearly, they had a deep and unrelenting faith that inspired them to write what they believed.

Many things "inspire" people to write. You are inspired to write that I am a 'blasphemous liar' based on your chosen beliefs. If your intention is to offend me, it's never going to hit the mark. I know exactly where you are coming from, but you have not the first clue what has led me to my beliefs.

Don't pop a vein or anything, but Christianity was born in the mid-first century, as a Jewish...yes Jewish sect, following a splintering of Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Churches.

Protestants came into the picture during the 16th century after another split from the Roman Catholic Church. The Catholics are responsible for the formation of many alternative religious platforms.

You certainly aren't aware that the Bible has been changed, radically, from its original existence, most recently by the Catholic Church during the 1600's. The Catholic Church also changed the Sabbath Day from Saturday to Sunday. Look at any calendar. Sunday is the first day of the week. Saturday is the seventh.

This exchange between you and I has been most interesting. I can't help but admit to a certain amount of humor that I have derived from it.

Every belief that you hold near and dear, has been taught to you by men no more or less human than I am.

I've attended many different churches myself, and have heard it all. But I balance that with constantly using the brain that God gave me to utilize and to learn, to discover all that I have come to believe.

Preachers on a pulpit are no closer to God than I am. You are no closer to God than I am. You simply believe that you are.

Cherry picked scriptural quotes are totally meaningless, unless you understand the context that they are presented in the Bible, and know a little about the MAN who is alleged to have written them.

The information is out there, thanks to this thing called the Internet. Of course, you're free as can be to ignore anything and everything that would allow you the opportunity to widen your view of the Bible, and to appreciate it as a work of literature.

February 13, 2013 at 10:54 p.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "alprova, you are correct, I stand corrected."

I am?

"I do have two questions, though. Do we have a spending problem, or a revenue shortage problem, due to people not paying their "fair share?"

Right now, as the situation is? Both. But, the revenue shortage problem would not be so bad if all people able and willing to work, were working and paying in taxes.

Harp...you know and it is easily verified that during the most prosperous of years this nation has seen, the top tier tax rates were astronomically higher than they are now. People who made more than $100,000 at one point, were only allowed to keep 15% of any money earned over the amount.

I am not advocating going back to tax rates that high for anyone. But the debt problem this nation is currently suffering from has most certainly resulted, in part, from artificially lower tax rates, on everyone.

"And, if we were to close the most egregious tax loopholes for corporations, would that be enough to make pay off our debt in a reasonable time, given our current spending habits?"

The debt we have has taken more than 40 years to amass. It will take an equal or more amount of time to pay down. It cannot be any other way.

Spending must be reduced, no question. Anything and everything must be on the chopping block if we are to get serious about reducing the debt and deficit spending.

But the debt and deficit problem is not going to be solved by cutting benefits to those in most need of them, and that is all I read that Republicans have to offer.

Military appropriations is the number one item of spending, that can be dramatically reduced by shutting down the war machine. Yes, jobs by many people employed with the war profiteers will be lost. As unfortunate as that may be, it is a far better option than telling people who have their eye on the finish line, that no Social Security checks are going to be coming their way when they complete the race, especially when they have been paying into the system for 34 years, on average.

February 13, 2013 at 11:19 p.m.
limric said...
February 14, 2013 at 11:25 a.m.
carlB said...

limric said... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1US-y8... ================

limric; In my opinion this video was more anti Obama than dealing with what Obama had to do and deal with in stabilizing the effects of the two wars and the 2007 deep recession. There were enough lies during the Bush W. 8 years. and then we had another surge of lies and misinformation during the 2012 election cycle from the Obama bashers. Now they continue!  Not funny!

February 15, 2013 at 12:52 a.m.
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