published Thursday, January 3rd, 2013

Whew!

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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betamax said...

Of course you filthy tree hugging Liberals would cut the red wire. Us God-Fearing American Saviors would cut the green.

January 3, 2013 at 12:11 a.m.
hambone said...

Wrong, betamax. The TEA PARTY would throw the cutters away and put their fingers in their ears!

January 3, 2013 at 12:20 a.m.
Easy123 said...

betamaxipad,

"Us God-Fearing American Saviors would cut the green."

You Bible-thumping, Christian dominionists would try to "pray the problem away".

January 3, 2013 at 12:40 a.m.
betamax said...

^^^ FINALLY SOMEONE AROUND HERE HAS SOME SENSE

January 3, 2013 at 12:58 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

CUTTING AND PASTING HER WAY TO NOTORIETY

TQ, lacking original ideas, common sense, or logic, keeps trying to make her points by providing content lifted from someone else. Not sure which point she or the author were trying to make, exactly, but bless their little hearts for filling space.

Congressional tea baggers have, up until now, relied on creating a false crisis and/or imaginary deadline to force the White House to cave to their looney demands. It's worked well so far, but the GOP painted itself into a corner this time and now seemed baffled at how they got there. Lots of finger pointing and denial and rationalization. With Republican Leadership now clearly defined as an oxymoron, will House republicans split into tribes?

Can't wait to see how tea baggers handle raising the debt ceiling. What is the over/under on how many will stand before cameras and microphones and gush, 'I think we should LOWER the debt ceiling!'

It would be ROTF funny if it weren't insane.

January 3, 2013 at 3:07 a.m.
fairmon said...

Would it be too complicated to increase the debt limit but freeze current budgets with no spending increases for several years like many households have to do? All the talk about reducing spending is referring to a slower rate of increased spending, not reducing current spending.

January 3, 2013 at 4:50 a.m.
Cactus said...

It's time for all Americans (Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians) to stop fighting with each other and throw all the bums (U.S. Senators and Congressmen) out of office. They are nothing but corrupt charlatans who serve as paid representatives of special interests.

January 3, 2013 at 6 a.m.
WHS1970 said...

Cactus, you make too much sense to be on this board.

January 3, 2013 at 6:06 a.m.
patriot1 said...

This was an issue created by Congress whereby the results of all these tax increases and spending cuts were so egregious that finally something would have to be done. It didn't happen. The can got kicked down the road again ...and we're running out of street.

January 3, 2013 at 6:18 a.m.
MTJohn said...

Cactus said...It's time for all Americans (Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians) to stop fighting with each other and throw all the bums (U.S. Senators and Congressmen) out of office. They are nothing but corrupt charlatans who serve as paid representatives of special interests.

Case in point: did anyone else notice how much face time with had with Grover Norquist as this issue played out? He has been a critical player in issues related to the fiscal cliff for a long time. He has zero authority but way too much influence. As an alternative to throwing out all the bums, I'd suggest that we pass legislation to tax all of the Grover Norquists and a rate of about 100% of their net worth and ear mark the proceeds to pay off some of the IOUs held in the social security trust fund.

January 3, 2013 at 6:26 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Betamax said: "Of course you filthy tree hugging Liberals would cut the red wire. Us God-Fearing American Saviors would cut the green."

I believe you speak with a forked and polluted tongue here. Indeed, it seems to me that a real God fearing person would be more humble and acknowledge that trees are part of God’s creation and recognize that tree hugging and efforts to develop clean power and more efficient energy are vital ways of demonstrating one’s respect and appreciation for what God created.

January 3, 2013 at 7:30 a.m.
eeeeeek said...

The comment space religion is the only TRUE religion, as it says so in this comment space.

Commentspacians v1:21 for this comment space contains all information that is true

January 3, 2013 at 7:39 a.m.
librul said...

... and they pee away $633 Billion to the Pentagon and nobody says a word.

January 3, 2013 at 7:40 a.m.
jesse said...

Actually the bomb has not been defused ,they just put 2 more months on the timer!

January 3, 2013 at 7:41 a.m.
fairmon said...

MTJohn said...

Case in point: did anyone else notice how much face time with had with Grover Norquist as this issue played out? He has been a critical player in issues related to the fiscal cliff for a long time. He has zero authority but way too much influence. As an alternative to throwing out all the bums, I'd suggest that we pass legislation to tax all of the Grover Norquists and a rate of about 100% of their net worth and ear mark the proceeds to pay off some of the IOUs held in the social security trust fund.

Excellent point and plan. Who would provide all the funding they now have without lobbyist and PAC money? Who would provide their talking points?

January 3, 2013 at 7:50 a.m.
fairmon said...

We just think the cliff was avoided....we are now in the opinon of some economist on a slippery slope that gradually gets steeper as we approach the real cliff.

I think If the republicans weren't so stupid and actually wanted to do what is best for the country they would raise the debt ceiling now to the level projected by Obama and his team. They would not object to any Obama proposal made and see what happens. If it works then they did not stand in the way. If it doesn't then a change in four years with a capable candidate is a possibility. A third party may even be considered.

January 3, 2013 at 8:02 a.m.
joneses said...

tu_quoque

Stop bothering these liberals like blackwater with facts. If you noticed blackwater attacked you for copying and pasting but said nothing about the contents of your post. Liberals do this very often. it is their way of admitting what you posted was accurate. I cannot figure out why liberals think a massive 16 trillion dollars in debt and growing and a 1.5 trillion dollar deficit and growing is a good thing. It is as if they have no concept of what a trillion dollars actually is.

January 3, 2013 at 8:39 a.m.
jesse said...

I took note of that also Joneses, Kinda a "shoot the messenger" type reaction!

January 3, 2013 at 8:52 a.m.
delmar said...

librul said... "and they pee away $633 Billion to the Pentagon and nobody says a word."

My thoughts to the letter. This is insane and when is it going to stop? Time for these two parties to be gone, we need FRESH blood in there. We have to stop being, quoting Gore Vidal, "The United States of Amnesia". Stop forgetting what they've done every election cycle. We keep hoping for change but never get it. This insanity has to stop.

January 3, 2013 at 8:59 a.m.
librul said...

Sure we do, Jonesy (8:39), it's the cost of an unnecessary war of choice that killed or maimed 35,000 Americans, destroyed America's respect in the world, showed our flawed political structure for the sham that it is, allowed corporate theft of tens of billions of taxpayer's dollars, negated huge chunks of our constitution and civil rights guarantees and made a war criminal of every American who spoke in favor of it.

January 3, 2013 at 9 a.m.
alprova said...

Librul wrote:"... and they pee away $633 Billion to the Pentagon and nobody says a word."

That right there proves that any talk of reducing spending by our representatives in Congress, all of them, are farts in the wind.

January 3, 2013 at 9:07 a.m.
delmar said...

Some more good news for the $$plutocratic party$$.

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/01/big-oil-tax-subsidy-fiscal-cliff

January 3, 2013 at 9:15 a.m.
eym_sirius said...

Of course the GOP would try to cut the green! They've tried to cut the green (revenue) out of the budget and they try to cut all green initiatives when it comes to preserving our environment.

January 3, 2013 at 9:36 a.m.
librul said...

Chris Hedges - product of seminary education and decades of facing the reality of man's inhumanity to man - an unmatched journalist and author who pulls no punches and advances no agenda, speaks truth to power - the last clip should bring tears to any American with any consideration for justice...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiyEne9sZIY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFr9XmSJpRE

January 3, 2013 at 9:38 a.m.
Rebus said...

Rebus thinks it's becoming more and more clear that BHO didn't come into the presidency wanting to cut any spending. Zero, zip, nada.

January 3, 2013 at 10:13 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

NEW PAINT, SAME CORNER

For all you tea baggers out there here’s a pop quiz:

Name the last U.S. President to reduce the federal deficit. Easy, right?

In the mean time, let’s see where the “fiscally responsible republicans” (hope you weren’t taking a sip of coffee right there) find themselves today. They still have to vote on the Fiscal Cliff spending and said they are willing to hold the debt-ceiling hostage. Again. The spending cuts legislation was put off in order to pass the Fiscal Cliff tax bill. The President has said repeatedly that he won’t negotiate on the debt ceiling.

The Spending Cuts Bill, however, is another matter. This should be a snap. Republicans stand for shrinking the size of government. Grover Norquist said he would like government to be small enough to drown in a bathtub. Here’s their opportunity to cut spending and shrink the size of government.

Here’s another pop quiz: What will they cut?

Will they cut the Pentagon Budget? Social Security? Medicare? Food Stamps? Corporate welfare? No matter where they slice voters will feel the pain, but here’s a chance for republicans to stand on principle and put their political capital where their political mouth has been for decades.

Cut away, boys and girls. Whatever they propose will cost them, and Republican approval ratings continue to plummet. My guess? In a desperate attempt to shore up their toxic political image they’ll fold on spending cuts the same way they folded on raising taxes on the wealthy and capital gains.

New paint, same corner, and the same fractured republican party.

January 3, 2013 at 10:17 a.m.
Maximus said...

Clay, boring doodle. Aren't you embarrassed with how you make a living? I guess your life partner wears the pants in the family.

January 3, 2013 at 10:51 a.m.
limric said...

librul said at 9 a.m. “Corporate theft of tens of billions of taxpayer's dollars.”

WRONG. Its trillions - and counting. Just ask Donald Rumsfeld. And that’s not including corporate welfare, to which $2 is spent for spent for every $1 of social welfare. ‘Socialism for the rich and capitalism for the rest!’

Great avatar by the way.
The Revolution WILL be televised.

January 3, 2013 at 11:08 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Librul notes: “and they pee away $633 Billion to the Pentagon and nobody says a word.”

This reflects the twisted ideology of many of our crazed leaders, especially House Republicans. Money is no object when it comes to defending the populace against foreign enemies wearing turbans. But in any and all others areas where a defense system might be needed - such as a defense system against disease, starvation, unemployment, corruption, violence, pollution, and natural disasters - they’re mostly AWOL. In such cases as these, they strongly believe the populace should be abandoned and left defenseless.

January 3, 2013 at 11:14 a.m.
MickeyRat said...

Geeze Mountainlaurel. You’re such a socialist whiner.

This is empire – corporate empire. We need Orwellian wars and the proletariat needs to be put back into its place. Otherwise the ‘job creators’ can’t well – you know.

Sigh…If we had only elected Newt Gingrich President we would not be having this debate on the budget and our country would be respected worldwide as the American ass kickers we used to be.

January 3, 2013 at 11:47 a.m.
librul said...

We need a Eugene V. Debs for the 21st Century.

"The issue is Socialism versus Capitalism. I am for Socialism because I am for humanity. We have been cursed with the reign of gold long enough. Money constitutes no proper basis of civilization. The time has come to regenerate society — we are on the eve of universal change." - Open letter to the American Railway Union, Chicago Railway Times (1 January 1897)

"I am not a Labor Leader; I do not want you to follow me or anyone else; if you are looking for a Moses to lead you out of this capitalist wilderness, you will stay right where you are. I would not lead you into the promised land if I could, because if I led you in, some one else would lead you out. You must use your heads as well as your hands, and get yourself out of your present condition; as it is now the capitalists use your heads and your hands." - As quoted in "Life of Eugene V. Debs" by Stephen Marion Reynolds, in Debs : His Life, Writings and Speeches (1908) edited by Bruce Rogers and Stephen Marion Reynolds, p. 71

"Wherever capitalism appears, in pursuit of its mission of exploitation, there will Socialism, fertilized by misery, watered by tears, and vitalized by agitation be also found, unfurling its class-struggle banner and proclaiming its mission of emancipation." - "The American Movement" (written 1898, first published 1908)

"Ten thousand times has the labor movement stumbled and fallen and bruised itself, and risen again; been seized by the throat and choked and clubbed into insensibility; enjoined by courts, assaulted by thugs, charged by the militia, shot down by regulars, traduced by the press, frowned upon by public opinion, deceived by politicians, threatened by priests, repudiated by renegades, preyed upon by grafters, infested by spies, deserted by cowards, betrayed by traitors, bled by leeches, and sold out by leaders, but notwithstanding all this, and all these, it is today the most vital and potential power this planet has ever known, and its historic mission of emancipating the workers of the world from the thraldom of the ages is as certain of ultimate realization as is the setting of the sun." - "An Ideal Labor Press," The Metal Worker (May 1904)

"The most heroic word in all languages is REVOLUTION." - "Revolution" in New York Worker (27 April 1907)

January 3, 2013 at 12:09 p.m.
whatsnottaken said...

Tooney's relieved his party of choice Dem (read Socialist) found a way to buy votes through the next election. Those who feast at the teet of the Socialist government will always vote to keep momma and her teets alive to feast again.

January 3, 2013 at 12:17 p.m.
Handleit said...

When you read this board one can see just how polarized our city, state, country is. That plays right into the hands of the people behind the scenes that control this coumtry. Until the citizens start standing together there will not be any type of change. If they are in office I am for voting them out of office. We need to quite whining and stand together and run these people out of the town, state, and country. Otherwise, quite whining and learn to live as a mule for someone else's wagon.

January 3, 2013 at 12:38 p.m.
delmar said...

Those who fawn and grovel at their masters feet will soon enough have their necks broken for being apathetic and impassive not only to their equals plights but to their own blindly fettered existence by their very same master.

Excellent post Handleit

January 3, 2013 at 12:45 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

MickeyRat said: “If we had only elected Newt Gingrich President we would not be having this debate on the budget and our country would be respected worldwide as the American ass kickers we used to be.”

Since costly designer drones are now used to specifically seek out foreign enemies wearing turbans – either real or imaginary it doesn't seem to make any difference to most of our politicians – I seriously doubt that any U.S. leader could gain the kind of respect that you reference, especially someone like Newt Gingrich who declined the opportunity to serve and place his own chubby cheeks in harm’s way.

January 3, 2013 at 1:29 p.m.
Rebus said...

For the record, Rebus thinks librul is not well.

January 3, 2013 at 1:42 p.m.
MickeyRat said...

Mountainlaurel,

My tongue was firmly in my cheek. The Gingrich reference was a plagiarized (there ya go tu_quoque) Maximus post.

January 3, 2013 at 2:35 p.m.
jesse said...

Danged if Librul don't sound kinda "SUBVERSIVE"!

I wonder if he means "revolution" w/guns and stuff???

January 3, 2013 at 3:06 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

MickeyRat said: "My tongue was firmly in my cheek. The Gingrich reference was a plagiarized (there ya go tu_quoque) Maximus post."

I figured your tongue was in your cheek, but I was out of the loop as to the source of the quote. I’ve grown weary of reading these erratic posts supporting the crazed “do nothing” group.

Speaking of which, I note that in addition to abandoning the victims of Hurricane Sandy, our “do nothing” House Republicans also abandoned the victims of rape, incest, and domestic violence:

"In Washington, the new year isn't necessarily a fresh start—this January, it's a nagging reminder that time has run out for the 112th Congress, the most "do-nothing" group of legislators in decades, to accomplish some of their most important legislative priorities."

"In the last days of 2012 and the first hours of 2013, lawmakers rushed to find short-term solutions to scale the "cliffs" they created for themselves, and the rest of their unfinished to-do list remained undone. That's where the landmark Violence Against Women Act went to die."

http://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2013/01/violence-against-women-act-debacle-why-congress-should-be-more-diverse/266784/

January 3, 2013 at 3:55 p.m.
DJHBRAINERD said...

I enjoyed hearing that tax rates for 98% of Americans would not increase. Yeah! oops we forgot to externd the payroll tax....sorry about that, it was never on the table, always was a temporary thing..... I hope you don't mind the 2% less you get for working.... Glad both parties are looking out for the middle class...Doubleyspoken with precision even orwell must be smiling.

January 3, 2013 at 4:24 p.m.
DJHBRAINERD said...

Or maybe now that the job creators get to keep that 8500$ on the first 500k they can hire me so I can work enough to make the 800$ I just lost next year. Good thing I paid Brainerd golf course 892 for a year of golf b4 I knew I didn't have it!

January 3, 2013 at 4:32 p.m.
GratefulDawg said...

"When you read this board one can see just how polarized our city, state, country is. That plays right into the hands of the people behind the scenes that control this coumtry. --Handleit"

I have no interest in defending political polarization. However, the idealist and people with an interest in looking behind the curtain to see how the government and the corporate interests that control it are conducting business represent a small percentage of the citizenry. Most folks just don't give a tinker's damn. Apathy and intellectual laziness are the primary culprits in the ease by which the American Dream is being chisled away for most. While the rancor of a forum such as this can be over-the-top at times, at least it indicates that there are still a few people with interests beyond watching Honey Boo Boo guzzle Mountain Dew.

January 3, 2013 at 4:36 p.m.
fairmon said...

mountainlaurel said....

"In Washington, the new year isn't necessarily a fresh start—this January, it's a nagging reminder that time has run out for the 112th Congress, the most "do-nothing" group of legislators in decades.

THose sorry SOBs just didn't spend enough did they ML? They spent a ton of money but could have spent more. I hope at some point you will combine your entusiasm for spending with everyone paying more in taxes so interest on the debt doesn't swallow a lot of the budget. Did you ever notice the wealthy are paid interest while the poor and poor money managers pay interest. Any idea how much the government is already paying in interest annually even at the extremely low current rates? We were wealthy once and the worlds largest lender, like China and others now, but we are not the world's largest interest paying debtor. I assume you have several credit cards and pay interest only on those maxed out then open another account and do the same? At some point you either have to increase your income or you have nothing left after paying the interest and can't get another card.

January 3, 2013 at 4:45 p.m.
DJHBRAINERD said...

I created a job today called the plumber to unclog my sink, Paid the kid down the road to rake some leaves ( im sure no labor laws were infringed) and tipped the waitress after lunch. Why doesn't the spending power of the middle class create those jobs again? Seems like when more people have a job there are more help wanted signs because we all get to pass the money around.

January 3, 2013 at 4:49 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Rebus says: “Rebus thinks it's becoming more and more clear that BHO didn't come into the presidency wanting to cut any spending. Zero, zip, nada.”

I don’t believe Rebus really thinks. In fact, I’m convinced Rebus is just a robot that simply replays an anti-government and anti-Obama disk over and over again. Indeed, if Rebus were really human and really concerned about “do nothing” politicians, he would have taken note of the 112th Congress, the most "do-nothing" group of legislators in decades.

For example, there is a slew of tea party backed politicians whose campaigns were focused on the excesses of Wall Street and the big bankers, but they’ve have done absolutely nothing since they were elected except oppose a financial regulatory overhaul and collect thousands of dollars for their re-election campaigns from the same people they initially criticized.

January 3, 2013 at 4:50 p.m.
librul said...

... and all DJHBrainless is worried about is having funds to pay his golfing bill.

http://www.presstv.com/detail/2013/01/03/281502/warrantless-wiretapping-law-signed-by-obama/

Notice how jovial they all are while they sign your privacy rights away. REVOLUTION anyone ?????

January 3, 2013 at 5:09 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Blackwater48 said: "For all you tea baggers out there here’s a pop quiz:"

May I submit another question for your pop quiz, Blackwater48? My question is: If “corporations are people too” as Libertarian and Republican politicians like Mitt Romney claim, why is it that these “people” just receive the equivalent of traffic tickets when they commit crimes like laundering money for drug cartels?

“LAST month, HSBC admitted in court pleadings that it had allowed big Mexican and Colombian drug cartels to launder at least $881 million. The bank also admitted to using various schemes to move hundreds of millions of dollars to nations subject to trade sanctions, including Iran, Cuba and Sudan, in violation of the Trading With the Enemy Act. “On at least one occasion,” according to a statement by Assistant Attorney General Lanny A. Breuer, “HSBC instructed a bank in Iran on how to format payment messages so that the transactions would not be blocked or rejected by the United States.”

Those were some of the transgressions uncovered during a two-year investigation led by the Justice and Treasury Departments and acknowledged by HSBC in a settlement, known as a deferred prosecution agreement, that was filed in a federal court in December. Not a single executive was charged with a crime. Instead, the bank paid $1.9 billion in fines and forfeitures — or roughly 10 percent of the pretax profits it earned in just 2010, one of the more than five years during which it admitted to criminal conduct.

HSBC is hardly alone. Court filings show that, since 2006, more than a dozen banks have reached settlements with the Justice Department regarding violations related to money laundering. ING Bank paid a $619 million fine for altering records and secretly transferring more than $2 billion for entities trading with Iran and other nations under sanctions. American Express Bank International acknowledged that more than $55 million in drug proceeds may have been laundered through offshore shell accounts it maintained.

The Justice Department has signed similar agreements, withholding prosecution in exchange for bank promises to tighten oversight, with Wachovia, Union Bank of California, Lloyds, Credit Suisse, ABN Amro Holding (now owned by Royal Bank of Scotland), Barclays and Standard Chartered. All admitted to criminal offenses; all were handed the equivalent of traffic tickets — pay a fine on your way out the door."

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/03/opinion/how-bankers-help-drug-traffickers-and-terrorists.html

January 3, 2013 at 5:32 p.m.
patriot1 said...

There are things worse than a do nothing Congress, it's a do everything Congress. That's where we are now.

January 3, 2013 at 5:38 p.m.
Rebus said...

Rebus notes that he has always poo-poo'ed the 112 Congress. Both sides, both aisles.

January 3, 2013 at 6:13 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

"For the record, Rebus thinks librul is not well." - rebus

For the record, people who refer to themselves in the third person are not well. It is a clear indication of mental imbalance.

"Danged if Librul don't sound kinda "SUBVERSIVE"! I wonder if he means "revolution" w/guns and stuff???" - jesse

We are so polarized today, with two completely opposite visions of what sort of country we think America ought to be, that no amount of debating is going to change anybody's mind. There are only two things that I see happening that are going to put us on the road to real change and that is either an all-out revolution or a full-blown depression. Whether librul is actually advocating revolution or not, I don't know, but it seems obvious that it's going to come about sooner or later. Either that or a depression so wide-scale and severe, where money loses practically all of its value, that it will be a game changer, like the Great Depression of '29.

January 3, 2013 at 6:26 p.m.
Rebus said...

Rebus think Rickaroo funny. In one paragraph he gives Rebus a mental evaluation. In another he predicts world collapse. Rickaroo multi-talented.

January 3, 2013 at 7:49 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Rebus_Dennis,

You just gave librul a "mental evaluation".

Rickaroo didn't predict world collapse. American economic collapse at most. Take your head out of your ass before you read and comment.

You must have had a stroke or something. Talking in the third person, changing your "handle", acting "moderate", and talking out of your ass even more than usual. You're always a hoot, senior citizen!

January 3, 2013 at 8:15 p.m.
MTJohn said...

Easy123 said...Rebus_Dennis, Take your head out of your ass before you read.

Or, at least please polish your glass navel.

January 3, 2013 at 8:18 p.m.
tderng said...

mountainlaurel...re your 5:32pm post.I am sure you blame those dang Republicans for that even though the Attorney General is a way left Democrat. The ones in the positions to put these guys in jail (where I believe they should be) are Democrats.But I am sure in your mind it is the fault of those dirty Republicans some how.

January 3, 2013 at 10:10 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Rebus said... "Rebus notes that he has always poo-poo'ed the 112 Congress. Both sides, both aisles."

ReJack_ sounds like he's trying to morph into harp3339! Further, the buffoon doesn't recall that several people here have made comments in the 3rd person for comic effect, but stopped because it's been done! I bet your hair fell out before you got rid of your mullet. Are you one of those people that thought every party you ever went to sucked because you stayed and stayed until the hosts were casting silent glances at each other and yawning?

January 3, 2013 at 10:21 p.m.
Easy123 said...

tderng,

"I am sure you blame those dang Republicans for that*

Everyone in Washington should be blamed for how big corporations are treated in this country.

"even though the Attorney General is a way left Democrat."

And Yogi is a bear. And Scooby is a dog. Who cares?

"The ones in the positions to put these guys in jail (where I believe they should be) are Democrats."

Where you making these complaints when the guys in those positions were appointed by Republicans? I doubt it.

"But I am sure in your mind it is the fault of those dirty Republicans some how."

Blame should fall on both sides for big corporations and banks. You act like having a Democrat as President means Democrats run the whole country. That's not how it works, sweetheart. It's important to note that WingNuts only wanted to keep the runaway train that is banking fraud and corporate greed going.

January 3, 2013 at 10:26 p.m.
Rebus said...

Rebus stumbled onto the following paragraph. It made Rebus think of several of the posters here.

"Leftism has devolved into a kind of scam run not only on others but also on the self. Leftists are brilliant at convincing themselves of their own altruism and then broadcasting it to the public, thus providing cover for the most conventionally greedy and selfish behaviors. We see that in our society all the time: the quondam Marxists of Hollywood, the media, and the academy blathering on about economic equality while living lives the Medici could not have dreamed of." -Roger L. Simon.

January 3, 2013 at 10:42 p.m.
Rebus said...

Rebus thrilled at how easy it is to push buttons here. har har had

January 3, 2013 at 10:47 p.m.
GratefulDawg said...

"Notice how jovial they all are while they sign your privacy rights away. --librul"

The Fourth Amendment is the government mule of the Bill of Rights. Any threat, real or perceived, to the Second Amendment and we have a national debate and emotions run high. Meanwhile, the Fouth Amendment is taking an unholy battering and few so much as bat an eye. The "War on Drugs" softened the Fouth up with jabs and body punches. The "War on Terror" is throwing haymakers trying to put it down once and for all.

January 3, 2013 at 10:59 p.m.
tderng said...

Easy123 said...sweetheart.

I am not nor would I ever be your sweetheart.

You act like having a Democrat as President means Democrats run the whole country.

Wrong. But they are in the best position to file and prosecute these traitorous bastards

It's important to note that WingNuts only wanted to keep the runaway train that is banking fraud and corporate greed going.

And those wingnuts are on both sides of the aisle

January 3, 2013 at 11:11 p.m.
tderng said...

GratefulDawg... I totally agree! The war on drugs is an absolute scam. Serving merely to place users in prison and perpetuate the jobs involved in keeping up this drain on our society. The drug abusers need to be treated for the illness instead of imprisoned. I say the same thing about the war on terrorism as I do the war on guns. "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety,deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." Thomas Jefferson

January 3, 2013 at 11:22 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Rebus_Dennis,

Right back at you, Jackie.

"Conservatism is incompatible with democracy, prosperity, and civilization in general. It is a destructive system of inequality and prejudice that is founded on deception and has no place in the modern world." -Phil Agre

"Rebus thrilled at how easy it is to push buttons here. har har had"

You haven't pushed a button on here...ever. The last button you pushed was the 'End' button on your phone after your late night sexy talk session with your favorite phone sex vixen. Keep trying, Jack. At least you're a legend in your own mind.

January 3, 2013 at 11:26 p.m.
Easy123 said...

tderng,

"I am not nor would I ever be your sweetheart."

I never referred to you as "my" sweetheart. I just called you "sweetheart", sweetheart. Don't get all butt-hurt.

"Wrong. But they are in the best position to file and prosecute these traitorous bastards"

That's exactly how you're acting. Republicans are in the exact same positions to crack down harder on things like this. You're proving my point by acting like Democrats have this monopoly on power in Washington.

"And those wingnuts are on both sides of the aisle"

I've yet to encounter a WingNut that wasn't a Republican.

January 3, 2013 at 11:33 p.m.
tderng said...

easy123...The Attorney General is in the best position to prosecute these guys but has not done so. Wonder Why?

I've yet to encounter a WingNut that wasn't a Republican.

look in the mirror

January 3, 2013 at 11:41 p.m.
Easy123 said...

tderng,

"The Attorney General is in the best position to prosecute these guys but has not done so. Wonder Why?"

Probably because the $1.9 billion in fines and forfeitures went much further than actually prosecuting the CEO's.

"The Justice Department has signed similar agreements, withholding prosecution in exchange for bank promises to tighten oversight."

"look in the mirror"

And I'd see a person that doesn't fit the criteria. You, on the other hand, seem to fall in lock-step with those that do meet that criteria. You spout that TeaBagger/WingNut propaganda here daily.

January 3, 2013 at 11:52 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Tdemg said: "I am sure you blame those dang Republicans for that even though the Attorney General is a way left Democrat."

Get real, Tdemg. It doesn’t take much common sense to figure out that the only to catch the crooked bankers and stop of the flow of dirty money is to have a system of transparency and strong regulatory oversight in financial matters and we all know the Republicans have gone to great lengths in an effort to prevent this. Indeed, if the Republicans had their way, any transparency and regulatory oversight would cease to exist. They have consistently opposed regulations and are constantly screaming that Federal regulators are the “enemies” of business.

January 4, 2013 at 12:18 a.m.
GrouchyJohn said...

I didn't wade through all the BS above, I do not intend on reading a bunch of crap. I do have one solution suggestion, though....

Refuse to pay the twits in Congress until they get a done deal - a real budget - and it has to one with at least a chance of giving our kids and grandkids a glimmer of hope that they won't be paying back all this debt 50 years from now. One of the items in the bill is to cut the pay of the President to $0.00 each year that he fails to present a budget that will actually be passed by Congress. Then his pay can start back up, but no retroactive pay for anyone in Congress or the Prez. Until they do their job, don't pay them.

January 4, 2013 at 12:35 a.m.
tderng said...

Easy123 said...And I'd see a person that doesn't fit the criteria.

Better check to see if it's cloudy outside,wouldn't want you to get struck by lightning.

You spout that TeaBagger/WingNut propaganda here daily.

Wrong I don't even post on here daily. Everyone who disagrees with you is a Teabagger/Wingnut in your eyes.

January 4, 2013 at 12:35 a.m.
Easy123 said...

tderng,

"Better check to see if it's cloudy outside,wouldn't want you to get struck by lightning."

You're proving my point, WingNut. Notice your use of religious overtones.

"Wrong I don't even post on here daily."

Pardon me. You spout that TeaBagger/WingNut propaganda here every time you post."

"Everyone who disagrees with you is a Teabagger/Wingnut in your eyes."

That's entirely false. I disagree with many people here that are neither of those. You just happen to fit the criteria for both. Why are you ashamed of what you are?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wingnut_(politics)

January 4, 2013 at 12:45 a.m.
GratefulDawg said...

"I totally agree! The war on drugs is an absolute scam. --tderng"

Let's see, the "war on drugs" has led us to imprison hundreds of thousands of our fellow Americans. The Constitution has been trampled under foot. We have wasted billions of dollars. Law enforcement agencies have been corrupted. The courts can't handle the backlog. Organized crime syndicates have flourished. And let's take a look at the scoreboard...Addictive narcotics are as readily available today as they were forty-years ago.

Well, I say as readily available. Perhaps more readily available would be more apropos. Pain clinics pop-up overnight in some nearly abandoned strip mall. You walk in and tell them that you were born with a crack in your ass and a "doctor" with a license from an internet med school based in Belize City will write you a prescription for all the synthetic heroin you want. Hop aboard Captain Trips. Of course if the pain clinic is closed, Ol' Bubba Joe at the end of the gravel road can set you up with some homebrewed meth.

"Petty laws breed great crimes." --Ouida

January 4, 2013 at 1:16 a.m.
fairmon said...

mountainlaurel said.....

why is it that these “people” just receive the equivalent of traffic tickets when they commit crimes like laundering money for drug cartels?

“LAST month, HSBC admitted in court pleadings that it had allowed big Mexican and Colombian drug cartels to launder at least $881 million. The bank also admitted to using various schemes to move hundreds of millions of dollars to nations subject to trade sanctions, including Iran, Cuba and Sudan, in violation of the Trading With the Enemy Act. “On at least one occasion,” according to a statement by Assistant Attorney General Lanny A. Breuer, “HSBC instructed a bank in Iran on how to format payment messages so that the transactions would not be blocked or rejected by the United States.”

Is the attorney general a republican or libertarian? Why did the white house insist on over 80 billion in tax breaks for banks and other businesses be included in the avoid the cliff agreement? I don't like the republicans behavior but your blanket condemnation and attack of anyone except those of a democrat is very revealing. Obama is an economics idiot.

Only in America could they have had the two people most responsible for the tax code, Timothy Geithner, the head of the Treasury Department and Charles Rangel who once ran the Ways and Means Committee, both turn out to be tax cheats who are in favor of higher taxes.

January 4, 2013 at 2:01 a.m.
fairmon said...

mountainlaurel said....

My question is: If “corporations are people too” as Libertarian and Republican politicians like Mitt Romney claim, why is it that these “people” just receive the equivalent of traffic tickets when they commit crimes like laundering money for drug cartels? “LAST month, HSBC admitted in court pleadings that it had allowed big Mexican and Colombian drug cartels to launder at least $881 million.

Show me one libertarian that stated corporations are people. You attack anything that is not democrat. How did this information become known but not prosecuted with someone going to jail if there is not sufficient transparency? You not knowing or having open access to business books and activity doesn't mean the government doesn't have all the information they need.

Why did the white house insist on billions of dollars of tax breaks for their favorite businesses, including banks, be included in the cliff avoidance bill? Must have been a republican on Obama's team.

January 4, 2013 at 6:29 a.m.
dude_abides said...

Could somebody please get Boehner some therapy or something? I appreciate his "passion," but this crying every month or so is getting embarrassing. Can you imagine Putin's opinion of our "Weeper of The House?" The majority whip needs to give him a bracing slap or spike his coffee with testosterone. Evokes the cowardly lion. "If I, if I, were a KING!"

January 4, 2013 at 7:35 a.m.
Maximus said...

Obama homey JayZ hera.....wut ups Climate Changess Liar Global Warmin Pimp AlGore sells hizin Current T.V. to oil kingdom Qatar based jihadist terrorist Bin Laden waz a hero network Al Jazeera! Yeeeeeeeee Yaaaaa....Al Gore beez in da club wit hiz hoes usin Ben Franklin's on da strippers and lightin up his cuban. Funniz howz a socialist likes Al Gore luvs dat green and wantz to tax all da "little peoples" to payz fora his n socialist utopia. Class warfare wurks ya'll. Al Gore drivn a Bentley and my dog beez flashin dat diamond bezel on his Rolex. Biatches dat do massage be all over my Dog Al Jazeera Gore. Wonda where dat ho Tipper be. AlGore's ex wife be hittin dat Jack Daniels hardz to kills dat depressions. Sorry Tipper your ex be pimpin wit da Arabs. Al Gore apparently don't carez for da Jews sellin his network all up in dem islamics terrorists.............Oi!

January 4, 2013 at 9:21 a.m.
Maximus said...

Oh yea Gore made $100 million on the $300 million sell of Current TV to oil kingdom Qatar based Al Jazeera. Apparently, Glen Beck and his GB TV was interested in making an offer for Current but Gore stated that they wanted to sell the network to someone or an organization that had similar values. The fake "Eco Warrior", fair share guy Gore also tried to close the Al Jazeera deal before Obama's new tax rates kicked in saving him $8,000,000 in federal taxes. The "let them eat cake" leftist Democrat elitist hypocrisy continues. Pelosi, Read, Gates, Buffet, Damon, Katzenberg, Michelle Obama...all the same. Heah, special interest groups especially the blacks...these people including Barry don't give a crap about you! Cheers!

January 4, 2013 at 9:32 a.m.
limric said...

Did anyone notice that Clay left the exposed metal of the wire cutters dangerously close to the newly cut hot wire? Could it be that he knows that very soon the spark of Republican extortion in the upcoming debt ceiling confrontation will arc across and send current to the primer?

The Republicans WILL hold the country hostage AGAIN – Obama and the Democrats (being the chicken $hit pussies they are) WILL cave. AGAIN

BOOM!

Paraphrased from ‘Cold Mountain’ “Every piece of this is bullsh!t. They call this fiscal mess a cliff or a cloud over the land. But they made the weather and then they stand in the rain and say '$hit, it's raining!”

And the media unquestioningly parrots it all.

January 4, 2013 at 10:57 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Limric,

The Cold Mountain quote sums up the situation nicely!

January 4, 2013 at 11:23 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Fairmon/Harp3339 said: “How did this information become known but not prosecuted with someone going to jail if there is not sufficient transparency?"

It sounds like you’ve conveniently forgotten that most of these banking and financial regulations are relatively recent, Fairmon/Harp3339. Indeed, even the infamous U-turn transaction loophole wasn’t closed until 2008. Prior to this date, the transfer of money involving even countries like Iran through the United States to another foreign entity was legal.

Fairmon/Harp3339 said: “You not knowing or having open access to business books and activity doesn't mean the government doesn't have all the information they need.”

Huh? Your comment doesn't make any sense. If there aren’t any laws and regulations defining what is legal and if banks are not required to disclose any information about their clients how would any government get the information they need to determine anything?

Fairmon/Harp3339 said: “Only in America could they have had the two people most responsible for the tax code, Timothy Geithner, the head of the Treasury Department and Charles Rangel who once ran the Ways and Means.”

And what about those House Banking and Financial Service Committees? Indeed, what have all of those Republican Tea Party backed House Committee members been doing since they were elected? To date, the only thing that I’ve noted has been their ongoing attempts to reduce the power and the reach of government regulatory oversight in the banking and financial markets, either through easing or repealing pieces of the Dodd-Frank Act.

*Fairmon/Harp3339 said: "Show me one libertarian that stated corporations are people."

Ron Paul didn’t expressed it in the same way that Mitt Romney did, but his bottom-line comes out the same. He believes in Super Pacs and that corporations can spend as much money as they want in our elections: "Corporations don't have rights per se, but the individual who happens to own a corporation or belong to a union does have rights, and these rights are not lost by merely acting through another organization.”

Fairmon/Harp3339 said: You attack anything that is not democrat.”

Has it ever occurred to you that politics is all about the issues, Fairmon/Harp3339? In this case, I believe there is a need for strong laws, regulations, and regulatory oversight when it comes to banking and financial transactions. As you must know, the majority of Republicans don’t share this belief, but the majority of the Democrats do share this belief.

January 4, 2013 at 12:09 p.m.
jesse said...

Politics is about power,self serving,getting re elected, greed and one uping the other side! Issues are only relevant when they serve the ambitions of the politician!

Whats going on right now ,from the Potus on down is a prime example of this! Been this way as far back i i can remember and it ain't gonna change anytime soon!count on it!

January 4, 2013 at 4:01 p.m.
fairmon said...

mountainlaurel said...

It sounds like you’ve conveniently forgotten that most of these banking and financial regulations are relatively recent, Fairmon/Harp3339. Indeed, even the infamous U-turn transaction loophole wasn't closed until 2008.

I don't think they would have paid a fine and promised to do better if they had done nothing illegal. All banks aren't bad or involved. I agree some republicans don't know their rear from straight up regarding the banking business but neither do many democrats....thank god the two retards drafting the ridiculous regs called Dodd/Frank are retired. It sounds like you know something happened that shouldn't have and only laws can fix it. Do you recall Barney Franks and others insisting on banks making high risk loans to increase home ownership? Do you recall his outburst at secretary Snow for insisting Fanny and Freddie needed better over sight (Barney's job) and regulation? Do you know one big incentive to bail out the banks was that Fannie and Freddie with Brainy Barney and others encouragement had bought the bundled loans so the banks could keep making high risk loans? Too big to fail is a farce, The only people their failing would have hurt were some wealthy arses including many in congress. Why did Obama and team slip the billions in tax credits in the cliff avoidance bill? They were cut and pasted in at the last minute from a prior proposal. See the bill at Thomas library. I agree with your contention something is rotten in Washington but it is not party specific.

The banking fiasco was bad but it worked out fine for me. I sold Fannie and Freddie short after watching Barney and checking the financials on them. Every time Fannie or Freddie dropped a dollar from the share price I was making a nice profit. I bought and covered the short sell a little earlier than I had to but was very pleased with the profit. I could have lost but didn't. Should you and others been made to help me if I had lost? Do you also blame me for the financials bust?

Do you really think the government is obligated to protect people from their own ignorance? Any idiot that signs a contract they do not understand deserves what they get. Those taking risk with ARM loans and flipping condos and houses took a risk and should have lost but many many didn't. Those that lost their house because of job loss was not the problem and I have no issue with the government assisting them and requiring banks to work with them within reason.

January 4, 2013 at 5:14 p.m.
fairmon said...

"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left." Ecclesiastes 10:2 (NIV)

Can one of those referring to the bible and quoting it tell me if this is an accuate quote from the bible?

January 4, 2013 at 5:40 p.m.
Easy123 said...

patriot1,

This guy sure did...TWICE!

January 4, 2013 at 5:45 p.m.
Rebus said...

Rebus says not a bible quoter, but passage is correct. May Rebus suggest Google?

January 4, 2013 at 6:37 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Jack_Dennis said... Marley's Ghost potcat: "I never met a chick that didn't think she gave the greatest head in the world. You've got a long list of challengers, sweetie." December 13, 2012 at 3:14 p.m.

Jack_Dennis said... The Marriage "easy,etc Your immaturity is astounding." December 8, 2012 at 5:01 p.m.

Jack_Dennis said... The Cliff "Easy: Is your name little ricky? (on second thought, maybe it is, oh man of many handles)" December 7, 2012 at 2:28 p.m.

See what a POS you are, Jack_Rebus?

January 4, 2013 at 9:04 p.m.
hambone said...

Only 12 posts all day?

TGIF!.................(not meant to be a religous endorsement)

January 4, 2013 at 9:12 p.m.
Rebus said...

Rebus continues to notice how dud_ and Easy are infatuated with the Reeb.

January 4, 2013 at 9:25 p.m.
dude_abides said...

oh man of many handles is how you wrongly disparaged someone else, and then two weeks later, look at you! LMAO

...and you're astounded by the immaturity of another poster, then five days later you're throwing down that pornographic smut like some kind of wannabe Lothario. I remember your real photo, Jack, you're no ladies guy. LMAOagain

You have the least credibility of anyone here because of your being a snake, but you still yearn to come off as the thoughtful, sage conservative voice. Pathetic. Tell us some more of your wisdom about women and their proclivities, Jack_Dennis. Tell us what women like. Tell us what they're all like, what they're all after.

January 4, 2013 at 9:57 p.m.
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