published Sunday, January 6th, 2013

Moving Day

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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blackwater48 said...

MEET THE NEW BOSS

Same as the old Speaker of the House, Boss Boehner, the guy who made the term Republican Leadership an oxymoron. First order of business for the 113th? A bill to outlaw Obamacare!

Bet nobody saw that coming.

Did Boehner ever get around to bringing the Farm Bill up for a vote? How about emergency aid for victims of Sandy? Is he really going to once again jeopardize the full faith and credit of America by taking the debt ceiling hostage? Will Wall Street republican money guys let him do it again?

But with Weeping John still Speaker, and tea baggers still hell-bent on blowing up Congress, yeah, it's beginning to look like deju vu all over again.

How quickly before one of our tea bagging wing nuts blame Obama?

January 6, 2013 at 12:47 a.m.
LumFan said...

Too bad that too many of the crazy parts of the 112th Congress are still around. Bachmann is still around, and my district sent a person who is only slightly less crazy than your run of the mill Tea Partier. Sigh

blackwater48, if you are going to start a pool on your question of how long until the wing nuts blame Obama, I'll take 3 weeks. Of course, I may be overly optimistic.

January 6, 2013 at 1:56 a.m.
jesse said...

Out w/the old ,In w/the same old crap!!

January 6, 2013 at 6:01 a.m.
DJHBRAINERD said...

Didn't the folks here in this region just send back all the same representatives? Can't think of any that got the boot so they must be doing something right......

January 6, 2013 at 6:33 a.m.
EaTn said...

I see Clay left off the revolving door of the Capitol--the one that leads next door to the lobby big-money bunch who actually run the country.

January 6, 2013 at 6:45 a.m.
fairmon said...

DJHBRAINERD said... Didn't the folks here in this region just send back all the same representatives? Can't think of any that got the boot so they must be doing something right......

Good point DJHBrainerd. A do nothing congress may be the best of all worlds with the check and balance process working as designed. Members of congress in most cases think they represent the views of their constituents.

The same folks that get out of joint over any future adjustments to social security are often the same people criticizing the end of the 2% temporary social security tax reduction. The 2% was just another way of borrowing money by reducing the time before social security becomes insolvent. The adjustments will become more drastic if congress doesn't act now, which is very likely since the right thing to do will damage their future electability.

Borrowing money to pay claims around 43% greater than revenue is not a good or sustainable thing to have happening with medicare. The corrections will be painful therefore not likely to happen until there is a last minute crisis at some point in the future.

January 6, 2013 at 7:26 a.m.
patriot1 said...

The two largest items of spending is Medicare/Medicaid and Social Security as can be seen here http://www.usdebtclock.org/

It's clear that while other countries are investing in their future, we're investing in our past.

January 6, 2013 at 7:58 a.m.
rick1 said...

patriot1, do not know if you are familiar with what they did in Galveston, TX. but it hs been successful. Of course Washington would never go for this because they do not want to give up the power and control.

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-viewpoint/010413-639421-galveston-private-pension-accounts-meaningful-entitlement-reform.htm?p=full

January 6, 2013 at 8:59 a.m.
moonpie said...

While there are examples of this on both sides, the re-election of Scott Des Jarlais shows that people care more about the team than the players.

Partisanship has become more important than having ethical and reasonable people. (I know some would say that he has repented for his ways and has moved on; however, I would have given Des Jarlais more of a pass if he had come clean during the election than afterwards.)

Gerrymandering and the 24 hours news cycle where we give voices to the most extreme only fuel the partisanship.

We need thoughtful people who will work together to solve the complex problems in the US.

patriot1 is right about Medicare and social security. He's right about other countries investing in the future. When social security began, life expectancy in the US was < 65 years old.

We are going to have to make some changes in these programs and it will not be easy. We also need people to work responsibly, not in a partisan way toward tax reform, improved education, immigration and in the promotion alternative energy.

Republicans have become irrationally opposed to science and taxes.

Democrats have become irrationally opposed to changing entitlements.

Hopefully the nation as a whole is not really as divided as Congress or as the talking heads, or the people who post here. But we need to move beyond the team concept of politics. We can't elect partisans despite their poor character.

January 6, 2013 at 9:15 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Fairmon said: “A do nothing congress may be the best of all worlds with the check and balance process working as designed. Members of congress in most cases think they represent the views of their constituents.”

Since most Americans supported raising taxes on the rich by a two to one margin as a means to help the economy and to make the tax system fairer and since the Republicans pretty much ignored this and fought to maintain the Bush era tax cuts for the wealthy, I don’t see how they can possibly think they are doing what the public wants in regard to the budget, especially the House Republicans. If anything, they are completely ignoring what most of the citizens want.

The same is true in other areas of the budget as well. The polls show that an overwhelming majority of U.S. citizens feel we need to decrease the Pentagon’s budget, but as you know the Republicans ignored this. Indeed, the Republicans not only ignored it, but they proposed to add billions of dollars to the Pentagon’s budget. They also appear to be ignoring pubic opinion when it comes to Social Security. A majority of Republicans continue to push cutting Social Security, but public opinion polls show that this is not what most citizens want to do.

January 6, 2013 at 9:27 a.m.
Rebus said...

MsLaurel: What about the polls that show most opposed obamacare? Or do you just go with the polls you like?

January 6, 2013 at 9:29 a.m.
limric said...

Patriot1 and other Tea Party Patriots,

The amount of disinformation on the subject of Social Security is truly staggering. Orwellian even. The ignorant, the con men in Washington and a complicit media speak about this subject and twist language that makes it hard to see the truth that's right there in front of everybody.

You’re welcome to your opinions (but not facts) and all, but Jesus Christ, if you’re going to pontificate about Social Security and the budget, the least you guys can do is figure out how the damn thing works. Let me be clear: Social Security is entirely off-budget, solely paid for through a dedicated payroll tax.

Saint Ronnie, who by today’s standards would be too liberal to even qualify as a Republican, has spoken. Is he right? Or have the rights selective memories magically scrubbed these quotes (and truths) from the memory of their hero.

P.S. Great cartoon today Clay!

January 6, 2013 at 9:33 a.m.
fairmon said...

rick1..your 8;59 is on target. If only people could see and seek the advantage provided with the Galveston program, congress would go beserk with the lost borrowing source of social security. The best thing to happen for those under age 55 would be to have all contributions returned and handled like the Galveston approach.

Limrick is correct, social security currently is not a deficit or debt source. The problem with social security is a decade plus in the future.

January 6, 2013 at 9:48 a.m.
d2edwards said...

Not a perfect plan, but this may be a good start: Spending cut pecking order should be most expensive to least. Defense represents more than half the overall budget and contributed most to the deficit. It seems prudent to start by cutting the defense budget, then moving on to the next most expensive and so on.

Congressional reform would cut spending and is overdue. Serving in Congress is supposed to be an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, so ours should serve their term(s), then go home and back to work. I agree with the folks who want 12 year term limits (combined House and Senate), Congressional pensions eliminated, and Representatives and Senators to participate in Social Security. All funds in the Congressional retirement fund should move to the Social Security system immediately. Congress should be made to purchase their own retirement plan, participate in the same health care system as the American people, and no longer be able to vote themselves a pay raise. Congressional pay should rise by the lower of CPI or 3%. I also believe Congress should equally abide by all laws they impose on the American people including drug testing. Contracts with past and present Congressmen should be voided.

Social Security and Medicare are self funded and should be left alone. Government should remove contribution caps and restore rates.

January 6, 2013 at 9:53 a.m.
fairmon said...

mountainlaurel said...

Since most Americans supported raising taxes on the rich by a two to one margin as a means to help the economy and to make the tax system fairer.

Surprise, surprise people are receptive to not taxing me but tax that man behind the tree (Huey P. Long). More fair in whose opinion since they already pay a high percent of all income tax collected? Why not simplify the system, adjust the rates and take away "all" deductions to make it really fair? How will the piddling amount that will be realized help the economy? Do you personally think that and see how it will help the economy or is that something you read.

ML said...

They also appear to be ignoring pubic opinion when it comes to Social Security. A majority of Republicans continue to push cutting Social Security, but public opinion polls show that this is not what most citizens want to do.

Of course not, I would like everything to stay as is and get more when the time comes. But, most have no idea or refuse to believe that the current system becomes insolvent in about 15 years but like you they don't want to change anything. There is no proposal to reduce current participants benefit although some democrats suggest there is. I don't care how much those over 250K are taxed or what it does to the investments markets, I will make six figures but less than 250K regardless of the direction of the market.

Actually there are enough safe alternatives that social security should be abolished and those under age 55 allowed to opt out of the current system. I know that won't happen because most people like you are afraid to get away from their nanny government.

January 6, 2013 at 10:08 a.m.
raygunz said...

d2edwards (January 6, 2013 at 9:53 a.m),one of the most common-sense, coherent posts I've ever seen on this board! Thanks

January 6, 2013 at 10:11 a.m.
patriot1 said...

ray...while d2's post may be the most common-sense and coherent post ever, it's not true. As can be seen from my link to the debt clock, defense/war spending is third when it comes to spending and budget items. Medicare/Medicaid and Social Security far exceed defense.

January 6, 2013 at 10:35 a.m.
rick1 said...

Tu, let's not forget Alvin Greene democract nominee in 2010 for U.S. Senate from S.C. Like Clayton his name was first on the ballot that is why he was elected.

January 6, 2013 at 10:54 a.m.
alprova said...

patriot1 wrote: "ray...while d2's post may be the most common-sense and coherent post ever, it's not true."

It most certainly is true.

"As can be seen from my link to the debt clock, defense/war spending is third when it comes to spending and budget items."

And that is complete and utter bunk. Total defense spending for this just expired year, for both domestic and foreign defense was $1.4 trillion.

Social Security and Medicare are not even items that are budgeted. They each have their own trust funds and are strictly supported by contributions collected from workers and employers.

The US Debt clock is disingenuous and quite false in it's representation.

That does not mean that both programs do not need to be shored up for the future, because it is a certainty that both programs will begin paying out more than they take in if not addressed, but as it currently stands, neither program uses borrowed funds and neither program draws funds from budgeted spending.

"Medicare/Medicaid and Social Security far exceed defense."

Whatever amount either program pays out in benefits`on this day, January 6, 2013, does not come out of any budgeted spending category that Congress appropriates.

Each program has it's own trust fund. As it stands today, Medicare is estimated to be self-supporting through at least 2016, and Social Security is estimated to be self- supporting through 2033.

January 6, 2013 at 11:10 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Rebus said: "What about the polls that show most opposed obamacare? Or do you just go with the polls you like?"

Needless to say, you are going to rant at me about this, but to some degree, I think the Republicans are even ignoring what most Republicans - along with the rest of the public - want to see in regard to this issue as well. Granted, there are hard core folks who feel as you do, but the last poll that I saw on this showed that a record low number of voters wanted to see the Affordable Care Act repealed. Most people seem to feel that politicians needed to move on and start addressing other important issues like unemployment.

January 6, 2013 at 11:17 a.m.
rick1 said...

This is a good article on the basics of social security.

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2002/09/social-security-basics#1

January 6, 2013 at 11:21 a.m.
patriot1 said...

alpo...(registered republican) I suppose since since the debt clock is "disingenous and quite false" means the 16.4 trillion debt is not real either, huh? Why don't you go buy some Hobby Lobby stock since it has dropped in value so much lately, you might be able to make some money.

January 6, 2013 at 11:25 a.m.
raygunz said...

Rebus said: "What about the polls that show most opposed obamacare?

If you bothered to check into it,a very large portion of poll respondents opposed "obamacare" because it did not go far enough or did not include single-payer provisions. NOT because they do not want universal healthcare.

January 6, 2013 at 11:54 a.m.
alprova said...

Tennessee's 6th District win for Senator Mark Clayton can only be explained by one simple and undeniable fact;

He was listed first on the ballot alphabetically and it is a fact that in the absence of a known and well respected incumbent on a ballot, a candidate who is listed first on an election ballot, will win most of the time.

Many people go to the polls to vote for one or two candidates that they know they want to vote for, and simply check boxes in races that they have no knowledge of or interest in.

And of course, it will be stated by the usual suspects that only Democrat voters are guilty of this...right? Sure they are.

Scott DeJarlais appeared at the top of the ballot over and above both challengers during the primary and general election over Shannon Kelley and Eric Stewart, respectfully.

Republicans have fought for years to be listed first on ballots nationwide. They know the advantages that exist in being listed at the top of a ballot category.

Remember the 2010 South Carolina Senate race, when Alvin Green, a virtual unknown and totally unqualified candidate won the primary race against Vic Rawl?

Yep...he was listed first on the ballot.

Most states list incumbents at the top of each ballot categories, which goes a long way to explaining why it is that people keep re-voting the bums back in election after election.

January 6, 2013 at 11:55 a.m.
Rebus said...

raygunz: That's bogus.

January 6, 2013 at noon
rick1 said...

Al, you just made an excellent case as to why states should pass a law requiring people to pass a test before they can vote in a federal election. There are to many ignorant voters in this country.

January 6, 2013 at 12:04 p.m.
alprova said...

patriot1 wrote: "alpo...I suppose since since the debt clock is "disingenous and quite false" means the 16.4 trillion debt is not real either, huh?"

Did I make any such statement? No I did not.

"Why don't you go buy some Hobby Lobby stock since it has dropped in value so much lately, you might be able to make some money."

If you will go back and look, I retracted my assertion that Hobby Lobby was a publicly traded company.

When I did a quick look to see if they were a public company, Google directed me to a Yahoo link that had a page that at first glance, appeared to list their current stock value.

Upon a second look after you challenged me, I discovered in small print "No Such Ticker Symbol" and the stock quote was for IBM stock.

I made a mistake, plain and simple. That's what I get for trusting a Yahoo Finance page which I was very unfamiliar with.

Here: have a look at it;

http://finance.yahoo.com/quotes/Hobby-Lobby,IBM

BTW...are you ready to admit your mistakes in depicting Social Security and Medicare as items affecting the budget?

January 6, 2013 at 12:05 p.m.
tderng said...

Let them eat cake!!! Raise the taxes on anyone making over $150,000 to 52%. Double corporate income taxes,increase welfare spending for the poor to a point that they receive as much money as the rest of the middle class.Double the amount that is given out for food stamps so that these poor folks can eat better meals.Increase Social Security every year by twice the rate of inflation. If this breaks the nation,so what! I won't be here to worry about it and I no longer give a damn about the young and yet to be born in this country. As I said earlier I have capitulated and now fight for the other side.We need to gut the Military-Industrial complex and spend that money on our roads and infrastructure. We should bring all of our troops home from everywhere in the world and put them on the borders and forget about the outside world. After all that is what China did and look at how that turned out for them.

January 6, 2013 at 12:07 p.m.
dude_abides said...

the 'autist' formerly known as Jack_Dennis should know bogus.

January 6, 2013 at 12:08 p.m.
alprova said...

rick1 wrote: "Al, you just made an excellent case as to why states should pass a law requiring people to pass a test before they can vote in a federal election. There are to many ignorant voters in this country."

I will not deny that at all, but despite a growing sentiment by some people that an "ignorance test" should be offered, it will never come to pass.

You see...even the most stupid, ignorant, or careless citizens in this nation, have every right to vote any way they so desire.

All anyone can do is to simply...(sigh...)

January 6, 2013 at 12:11 p.m.
patriot1 said...

alpo...(registered republican) I realize you are a "registered republican", but that may be in Georgia. Allow me to enlighten you on the Tennessee ballot. Since the days of Ray Blanton and when democrats held huge majorities in both houses democrats have insisted that which ever party controlled the legislature that party could list their party's candidate first on the ballot in the general election. In a primary election they are listed alphabetically. It is not surprising that since the GOP has won control of both houses in Nashville, folks like you would now take issue with that.

January 6, 2013 at 12:15 p.m.
dude_abides said...

alprova, don't waste your time being conscientious. You'll never see these jokes explain themselves. Hell, they can't even keep the same names! LOL If you feel you need to hold yourself to a higher standard, then fine. Just don't expect the same from these hyenas.

January 6, 2013 at 12:21 p.m.
limric said...

Quote, “There are enough safe alternatives that social security should be abolished and those under age 55 allowed to opt out of the current system.”

It never ceases to amaze me. Assertions repeated often enough, even demonstrably false statements are taken as serious and therefore must be considered valid. The claim that Social Security faces enormous problems, is part of the deficit equation thus requiring benefit adjustments or tax increases is a perfect example. It is bogus. People posting here touting themselves as well-informed have repeated this so often that, to me anyway, they lose all credibility with their erroneous and fictitious allegations.

Privatization or opting out is a terrible idea. It puts huge risks on individuals that are not able to, nor should be expected to shoulder what Social Security spreads broadly and is hugely unfair to those that funded it all their lives.

I can certainly understand however why Wall Street keeps spending to fund studies of the merits of privatization and continue to stoke, through the use of false and misleading propaganda, the public's fear that Social Security is ‘going bankrupt’ and privatization is it’s only salvation. Their gain (Wall Streets) would be Titanic (sinking ship metaphor is accurate), but the rest of us would lose... most likely everything. If you think the crash of 2008 was bad, you ain’t seen nothing if Social Security is privatized.

Those with an attention span higher than an ‘American Idol’ devotee might want to read the following:

http://michael-hudson.com/2012/12/americas-deceptive-2012-fiscal-cliff/

Whereas Marie Antoinette said, “Let them eat cake.” Wall Street’s motto will (is) be, “ Let them eat credit.”

January 6, 2013 at 12:28 p.m.
Maximus said...

To LumFan and the other looney libs like Clay the Doodler...Nancy Pelosi, thank God she is not Speaker Of The House any more, has earned over $50 million in insider trading deals since becoming the leading loon congresswoman from Cali. Pelosi is sooo out of touch with average Americans and the economy that she is now calling for even higher taxes on the so-called rich to solve all of our countries problems and make things fair so that no one, nobody, especially Big Lebowsky, dope head, lazy, low expectation, did I say lazy quasi intellectual looney libs will ever, ever, get their feelings hurt or be bullied on the school yard again. Yes, Pelosi, the plastic faced, wine and cheese crowd, ho bag that did not read the Obamacare Bill will go down in history as a typical example of a 21st. Century Democrat....like our President, they are only interested in staying in power by being a two bit, banana republic welfare pimp following the community organizer script of Chavez, Hitler, Stalin, Castro, and Mao. It is going to be an awful four years folks except of course for those self-reliant, responsible American's like myself who see government as only another customer and will utilize the free market system not only to make money in the U.S. but throughout the globe. As General Douglas Macarthur said..."In life, there is no security only opportunity." I truly feel sorry for those that buy into government for their security and become dependent on punks like Obama and stupid selfish biatches like Pelosi for their pitiful cradle to grave existence. Don't they realize that the Democrats have them right where they want you to be....."don't worry, Obama knows what is best for us. Don't even think about setting goals for your life and working hard to achieve them....have some more food stamp fritos....a beer or beers.... a cig (the government will take care of me when I get cancer or copd, enjoy a smoke)...how about some weed....get on the low expectations comfort zone bus...heah look....Jersey Shore is comin on at 8:00...dude...so glad we have a flat screen and....oh yea everything was Bush's fault man...................MINDLESS NO AMBITION LAZY OBESE TRAILER TRASH, INHERITED WEALTH LIMO LIB MATT DAMON SOCIALISTS GO TO HELL!

January 6, 2013 at 12:28 p.m.
dude_abides said...

patriot1 said... "Since the days of Ray Blanton and when democrats held huge majorities in both houses democrats have..."

Yes, and Lincoln was a Republican,

and Jack_Dennis is Rebus.

January 6, 2013 at 12:29 p.m.
dude_abides said...

LOL Maximus! Wipe your chin, man. It's dripping on your 'Just Busted' photo!

January 6, 2013 at 12:33 p.m.
EaTn said...

While Social Security and Medicare are about equal to Defense in the spending budget, the big difference is that on the income side Social Security and Medicare are a major contributor. That doesn't count the billions that have been stolen from the SS coffer in the past and never returned.

January 6, 2013 at 12:59 p.m.
patriot1 said...

Hey...EaTn may be on to something. Maybe we need a payroll tax to fund defense so it could be a major contributor on the income side.

January 6, 2013 at 1:19 p.m.
degage said...

Dude, are you still obsessing about Jack? You are the comic of the forum.

January 6, 2013 at 1:29 p.m.
jesse said...

Hey degage, dude ENJOYS his O.C.D.!

If it weren't for Jack he wouldn't have nuttin to talk about!

January 6, 2013 at 1:41 p.m.
Rebus said...

Obsession, like liberalism, is certifiable mental illness.

January 6, 2013 at 1:42 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Jack_Reacharound So proud of that one.

degage, you're neither trenchant nor funny.

jesse... I'm just glad you haven't forgotten who Rebus is, yet, 'cause I know they don't nothin' much mean diddly squat to you, noways.'

BTW THREE of you are obsessing about my 'obsession', so... make of that what you will.

January 6, 2013 at 2:01 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Now the Senate Republicans have a problem with Hagel? LOL They'd have a problem George Patton if Obama nominated him!

January 6, 2013 at 2:03 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

The two largest items of spending is Medicare/Medicaid and Social Security...It's clear that while other countries are investing in their future, we're investing in our past." - patriot1

And those other countries that are investing in their future also have nationalized health care for every citizen. Not to mention free public education. And they are investing in their futures through the funding of their GOVERNMENTS. Anyway, just how do you propose that we invest in our future? Investing = SPENDING MONEY, and spending money ranks right up there with any one of the 7 Deadly Sins as far as you wing-nut are concerned. You don't even want to invest in repairing and improving our crumbling, antiquated infrastructure, let alone invest in the future. Please, tell us how you want us to be investing in our future when you all you scream and holler about is spending cuts, lower taxes, and less government! If you're thinking that the private sector "job creators" are going to do it, well, good luck with that. They're not even creating any jobs for the here and now, let alone creating any jobs or making any long-range plans concerning the nation's future.

But please...go ahead and enlighten us all as to how you propose that we invest in our future, all the while cutting spending, maintaining the tax cuts, and shrinking government. Apparently you think that scrapping Medicare and Social Security (investing in our past, as you call it) should be a first step, but what then? Surely a mind as brilliant and original as yours has thought this through. Please, bless us with the vastness of your vision and wisdom.

January 6, 2013 at 2:11 p.m.
Rebus said...

Rebus notes that a couple of posters here are clinically negative.

January 6, 2013 at 2:13 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Jack_Rebus,

There is no such thing as "clinical negativity". You're talking out of your ass. However, the most negative folks on these threads are the WingNuts.

January 6, 2013 at 2:17 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

EaTn said: "While Social Security and Medicare are about equal to Defense in the spending budget, the big difference is that on the income side Social Security and Medicare are a major contributor."

Also important in the defense budget discussion is the fact that “war costs” are budgeted separately from the military's “base” budget . . . Anyway, last month I read several informative articles on our defense spending budget, including this CNN “Generals: Get Real and Cut Pentagon Spending” opinion piece:

“America's power is more than a massive force structure and numbers of ships, tanks and planes. A national security strategy must be based on current and future threats, not past war doctrines.

In 2008, a National Intelligence Estimate declared the economic crisis, not terrorism, as the greatest threat to national security. Former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Adm. Mike Mullin, along with other senior military leaders, endorsed that assessment."

“Too often, the Pentagon spending debate is ensnared in the outmoded ideology of past wars and driven by legions of lobbyists for parochial interests in the military-industrial complex. . .”

"It is doubtful that future threats will call for many of the expensive weapon systems advocated by parochial interests and some political leaders -- a system such as the F-35 joint strike fighter. Developing this plane has cost more than was spent on veterans in the last 20 years.

Today, the use of manned aircraft is more and more limited. Our leaders must have a serious debate about priorities: America needs political resolve to kill unnecessary and expensive projects."

"Our nuclear weapons policy is based on Cold War conditions that no longer exist. The Pentagon is expected to spend more than $700 billion on nuclear weapons over the next 10 years, for little added security.

The former U.S. Strategic Command Chief Gen. James Cartwright has called for a drastic cut in nuclear weapons, saying the U.S. has a stockpile "beyond our needs. What is it we're really trying to deter? Our current arsenal does not address the threats of the 21st century." The program is based more on ideology than security."

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/12/opinion/gard-johns-military-spending/index.html

January 6, 2013 at 2:18 p.m.
GameOn said...

Everyone on this board got a tax hike and GE, Citigroup, Captain Morgan, Hollywood, etc. received tax breaks compliments of the Senate and president Obama. Thanks for helping out the middle class. http://washingtonexaminer.com/tim-carney-how-corporate-tax-credits-got-in-the-cliff-deal/article/2517397#.UOnPm3y9KSM

January 6, 2013 at 2:36 p.m.
degage said...

Dude, testy, testy! Did you ever stop to think Jack is loving your obsession?

January 6, 2013 at 3:44 p.m.
EaTn said...

patriot1 said... "Hey...EaTn may be on to something. Maybe we need a payroll tax to fund defense so it could be a major contributor on the income side."

You can bet we would have been out of Iraq in a few months once folks started getting "Iraq tax" as an item deduction on their payroll checks.

January 6, 2013 at 4:21 p.m.
Easy123 said...

degage,

"Did you ever stop to think Jack is loving your obsession?"

Did you ever stop to think that dude_ is loving your obsession with his obsession?

January 6, 2013 at 4:21 p.m.
jesse said...

Easy needs a "Hank Jr."laid on his self!

January 6, 2013 at 4:44 p.m.
dude_abides said...

jesse... Don't like the sound of that. Sounds like something that involves sheep or cattle.

degage... did you ever stop to think your post sounds like jealousy? I think of it as more of a permanent hobby. Lies and subterfuge may be your friends, but they make some of us sick.

January 6, 2013 at 4:59 p.m.
Rebus said...

Us? Rebus says one of them has worms.

January 6, 2013 at 5:06 p.m.
alprova said...

dude_abides wrote: "alprova, don't waste your time being conscientious. You'll never see these jokes explain themselves. Hell, they can't even keep the same names! LOL If you feel you need to hold yourself to a higher standard, then fine. Just don't expect the same from these hyenas."

Oh I gave up a long time ago in expecting people like a few that we have to deal with in here, to ever retract, apologize, or even acknowledge their own errors when exposed.

I will however, continue to hold myself to that higher standard and when I goof, and I'll be the first to fess up when it happens.

That way, no one will ever state that I have ever stood by anything that was incorrect, unlike the usual suspects we deal with all the time that never admit that they are wrong about a thing.

January 6, 2013 at 5:27 p.m.
Easy123 said...

jesse,

"Easy needs a "Hank Jr."laid on his self!"

A country boy can survive with a little family tradition. But there's a tear in my beer and all my rowdy friends O.D.'d in Denver because of that country state of mind. These old habits and outlaw women keep my cheatin' heart born to boogie. So if heaven ain't a lot like Dixie then I'll stay whiskey bent and hell-bound.

January 6, 2013 at 5:30 p.m.
Easy123 said...

"Rebus said..."

"Rebus says one of them has worms."

You're getting a litte bit redundant, Tarzan.

Jack need to give up on being pretentious ass hole. We all know it him talking. Third person for douchebags and morons. He still not funny. Go tell Jane get sponge bath ready!

January 6, 2013 at 5:34 p.m.
Rebus said...

LMAO

January 6, 2013 at 5:38 p.m.
jesse said...

Attitude Adjustment!!

January 6, 2013 at 5:41 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Jack_Rebus,

"LMAO"

You got it wrong. It's "LMOA", remember?

January 6, 2013 at 6:01 p.m.
Easy123 said...

jesse,

"Attitude Adjustment!!"

Is this a new self-talk, motivation method you're using? NAMASTE

January 6, 2013 at 6:03 p.m.
jesse said...

Salaam!!

January 6, 2013 at 6:19 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Jack_'s not the sharpest tool in the shed, but never let it be said that he's not a tool.

January 6, 2013 at 6:34 p.m.
Rebus said...

haters taking over

January 6, 2013 at 6:34 p.m.
degage said...

Dude, Jealousy? you get sillier and sillier all the time. I don't know why I would have any reason to be jealous, your statement seems stupid.

January 6, 2013 at 6:43 p.m.
dude_abides said...

My busting Jack_Dennis for being a liar is none of your business, moron. You jumping in the middle, to me, is the silly thing. Why don't you change your name or do something equally childish and maybe you'll get some attention.

January 6, 2013 at 7:13 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Degage,

Most of the things you post are stupid and/or irrelevant/trollish. You're a poor man's Jack_Dennis/Rebus. If you're not waxing indignant, you're usually trying to play moderator. It's the curse of your kind.

January 6, 2013 at 7:48 p.m.
Rebus said...

Degage is ok. Too bad a couple of punks can hijack a site.

January 6, 2013 at 8:29 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Jack_Dennis said... "Too bad a couple of punks can hijack a site."

Sorry, Jack_, should everyone just step aside so you can come here and trash the cartoonist daily? Hey, if it's unsatisfactory here you can always go out and kick the dog!

January 6, 2013 at 8:38 p.m.
degage said...

Rebus, Our lib friends don't liked being laughed at.

January 6, 2013 at 8:48 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Degage,

"Rebus, Our lib friends don't liked being laughed at."

You and your ilk aren't doing any laughing. You'll act like you are but deep down you know the truth. Your party and the ideas you espouse have been the punch line for jokes and ridicule for almost 20 years now.

Us "punks" will keep you whiny bitches reeling until you croak. LMFAO!

January 6, 2013 at 9:22 p.m.
dude_abides said...

degage said... "Rebus, Our lib friends don't liked(sic) being laughed at."

You, obviously, must.

January 6, 2013 at 9:32 p.m.
Rebus said...

Rebus says he will stick with a couple of punks hijacking a site. Rebus says these two so stupid, they're not even suspicious.

January 6, 2013 at 9:55 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Stick with us? You already had to change your "handle". Jack_Dennis couldn't take the heat! "Rebus" doesn't stand a chance.

Tarzan say Jack_Rebus a moron. Still talk in third-person like crazy man!

You become more and more idiotic and irrelevant with every post, Jack_Rebus.

January 6, 2013 at 10:06 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Erebus_, do a rewrite. You stuck with the 3rd person, clever for a third grader shtick, but fell off miserably on the Tarzan syntax. This lack of attention to detail is what has made you the not quite average being you see staring dully back at you in the mirror.

January 6, 2013 at 10:27 p.m.
fairmon said...

The 113th congress will likely be a repeat of the 112th. They will not acknowledge that the most stressful job of 2013 is considered being a soldier in the U.S. military. I keep wondering why I should give a twit what happens in another country and why the U.S. should borrow billions while over 16 trillion in debt to interfere in the affairs of other countries. Why are our leaders so willing to risk the lives of sons, daughters, husbands, wives, fathers and mothers to be, for the first time in our history, the aggressor nation. There is a difference in spending on defense and military spending. It is naive to think anyone in congress knows where the money goes.

January 7, 2013 at 5:35 a.m.
Maximus said...

Mtnlaurel....i lke nukes....they taste like chicken. Being prepared to irradiate a population when necessary at a moments notice is a good thing and money well spent. No matter what any one thinks or says the world will always be governed by the aggressive use of force. Somtimes you are the windshield, sometimes your the bug. It is better to be the windshield.

January 7, 2013 at 8:16 a.m.
alprova said...

Maximus, not that a thing you type has a shred of credibility, I bet you'd feel different about things had you lost a loved one in acts of war, not in defense of OUR nation.

I've lost two, and that's all I've got to say about that.

Carry on troll.

January 7, 2013 at 8:27 a.m.
fairmon said...

Bank of America settles with Fannie Mae for 10 billion...anyone know the rest of the story? Was BAC one of those receiving funds as part of the 12/31/12 cliff avoidance? WTF is going on here?

January 7, 2013 at 9:21 a.m.
patriot1 said...

Poor alpo (registered republican) always the victim.

January 7, 2013 at 10:04 a.m.
tderng said...

dude_abides said... Now the Senate Republicans have a problem with Hagel? LOL They'd have a problem George Patton if Obama nominated him!

As a new Democrat I need some guidance on this subject. I don't understand why we dislike Israel so much. The Jewish people in America always vote Democrat but we try to undermine Israel on a fairly regular basis. As I understand it this Hagel has opposed Israel and attempted to impose sanctions on them. I need to understand why President Obama would appoint someone who is so anti-semetic to a post that would have a lot of contact with our staunchest mid-east ally. I need direction here so that I can explain our point of view when I argue with my former conservative allies.

January 7, 2013 at 10:06 a.m.
Rebus said...

RIP Philip Perlmutter.

January 7, 2013 at 10:12 a.m.
jesse said...

Hagel IS NOT anti Semitic!!

He just callsum like he seesum!

January 7, 2013 at 10:52 a.m.
alprova said...

patriot1 wrote: "Poor alpo (registered republican) always the victim."

Poor patriot...always an ass.

January 7, 2013 at 11:43 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Maximus proclaims: "i lke nukes....they taste like chicken. Being prepared to irradiate a population when necessary at a moments notice is a good thing and money well spent."

Sounds like you have money to throw away. Personally, I tend to be more pragmatic when it comes to spending money, including taxpayer money. As such, I’ve learned that some things fall into the "essentials" category while other things fall into the "non-essentials" category.

What these U.S. Generals are telling us in the CNN “Get Real and Cut Pentagon Spending” opinion piece is that nuclear weapons are out dated and have become "non-essentials" when it comes to our national defense. In other words, it’s only a matter of time before such weapons appear in a segment of PBS’s Antiques Roadshow.

For Congress to continue buying such "non-essential" weapons is frivolous spending, especially since the Pentagon already has a huge stockpile of these "non-essential" nuclear weapons stored in their attic, their garage, their basement and countless storage units all over the planet.

January 7, 2013 at 11:55 a.m.
Rebus said...

Does a Hagel Nomination Mean a Giant Leap Forward for Iran’s Nuclear Program?

January 7, 2013 at 12:24 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

"i lke nukes....they taste like chicken. Being prepared to irradiate a population when necessary at a moments notice is a good thing and money well spent. No matter what any one thinks or says the world will always be governed by the aggressive use of force. Somtimes you are the windshield, sometimes your the bug. It is better to be the windshield." - MaxiMouse

What an arrogant pathetic little twit. He demonstrates over and over again that he has the intellect and perceptivity of a gnat. It's only a matter of time before he meets his "windshield" as he buzzes along in his self-absorbed complacency.

January 7, 2013 at 1:07 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Rebus asked: "Does a Hagel Nomination Mean a Giant Leap Forward for Iran’s Nuclear Program?"

Hmmm. . . I sense that you’re about to morph into another board persona. . . The TFP spirits tell me it's going to be a proud intellectual architect of the Iraq War - a neo-con. . . But which neo-con will it be? . . . Paul Wolfowitz? William Kristol? Elliot Abrams? Dick Cheney?

January 7, 2013 at 1:12 p.m.
Rebus said...

Laurel, FYI, Rebus opposed both Iraq and Afghanistan wars from the get-go. Perhaps Laurel should study differences between traditional conservative and neo-cons.

January 7, 2013 at 1:49 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

"Obsession, like liberalism, is certifiable mental illness." - rebus

A few things that have come down to us over the years that are liberal in concept:

  • Emancipation Proclamation (Lincoln was a Republican but most Republicans were more liberal minded once upon a time)

  • Interstate Highway system (funded by federal govt., but NOT sanctioned by the Constitution)

  • GI Bill

  • Marshall Plan

  • Labor laws

  • Workplace safety laws

  • Food safety laws

  • Environmental laws (the reason you're breathing cleaner air today is because of those "mentally ill" liberals who pushed for cleaner air back in the 70s.)

  • Space program/ putting a man on the moon(funded entirely by federal govt., but NOT sanctioned by Constitution)

  • Tennessee Valley Project

  • Civilian Conservation Corps (this depression-era program returned drought-ridden and barren farmlands to once again arable and productive farms; not to mention what it did for the state parks.)

  • Peace Corps

  • Civil Rights Act

  • Women's right to vote

  • Social Security (chances are, you are already benefiting from this. If not now, you soon you will be)

  • Medicare (again, if you are not benefiting from this already, you soon will be.)

  • Salk Polio vaccine (funded by government. Again...NOT sanctioned by Constitution)

I could go on and on and on. If you cannot acknowledge the good that has come from these liberal-based programs, policies, laws, and accomplishments, then YOU are the very definition of certifiable mental illness. I will take "mentally ill" liberalism over your do-nothing, sit-on-your-ass, wimpy, just-leave-things-as-they-are conservatism any day.

January 7, 2013 at 1:57 p.m.
Rebus said...

Wow that's quite a list. Are you Alpo? So all of those deals came from the minds of liberals, huh? When I say "liberal", I'm talking far left. (you seem to fit the mold)..Don't see many common sense libs these days...or maybe they just aren't as vocal as the left wing nuts on this forum. But alas, Rick, maybe I'm guilty of lumping all libs in one batch...much like you do the right. Eh?

January 7, 2013 at 2:09 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Rebus,

"Are you Alpo?"

Are you Jack_Dennis? LMFAO!

January 7, 2013 at 2:31 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Rebus...

We libs are no more liberal than we used to be. We're just trying like hell to maintain the common-sense policies and laws that have served us well over the decades, the ones that you radical righties are trying to scrap and take us back to the days of the robber barons and lawless Wild West. You wing-nut righties have gone so far off the radar with your tea-bagging extremism that you perceive anything even slightly to the left of you as radical.

Just do some reading or watching some documentaries of the Depression and FDR and take note of the names that his conservative enemies were calling him in his day. What Obama is trying to do today, by comparison, is so lame and moderate that you make fools out of yourselves when you call him a socialist/Marxist/communist. Obama is in reality a centrist. He could just as easily pass for a moderate Republican, or at least what a moderate Republican used to be. There's no such thing as a moderate Republican any more.

Most true liberals are much more liberal minded than Obama will ever be but even we more "extreme" liberals are not calling for anything so radical as a purely socialist state, like all the righties claim we are. We just don't see the government as an ineffectual, do-nothing entity that should be "shrunk down small enough to be drowned in a bathtub" (Norquist) but something that can be constructive and meaningful, acting for the good of the common people, not the puppet of the rich and the multi-national corporations, like it has become.

How come rebus not talking in third person now...or like Tarzan? Rebus finally realize how moronic that was?

January 7, 2013 at 2:44 p.m.
MickeyRat said...

tu_quoque, the puffed up plagiarizing pachyderm pustulates, Nyea nyea nyea LimpDic, Albaby, Mountainshrub et al.

BUT --

Limrick is correct (and nobody gives a Rat’s a$$ where the information comes from except you) saying Social Security has nothing to do with the federal budget per se. and is paid for through a dedicated payroll tax. It is also has, or is supposed to have, a $2 trillion or so trust fund.

The only validity to your claim that Social Security are most definitely “On-Budget” is to understand the 3 card Monty the feds have been playing by borrowing (stealing) all of the trust fund money and spending it. The only way to recoup these funds is if the federal government draws from the general revenues or borrows the money—which, of course, it can’t do because of the debt ceiling that will soon be held hostage by the miscreants in the Republican (corporate) Party.

A pretty lowlife (such as yourself) trick being played on everyone. So, in a real sense it can’t be (but is anyway) lumped in with the general funds. All those advocating benefit ‘reform’ should be dragged out to the pictured garbage truck by their ankles and thrown in with the rest of the trash.

You simply have no idea what the fark you are talking about.

Love, Micky

A video to educate those unfamiliar with your persona:

January 7, 2013 at 2:49 p.m.
Rebus said...

Rebus says he may have to throw RickyRoo in the punk category with the other 2 mopes.

January 7, 2013 at 2:54 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Rebus_Dennis,

You're such a bitch.

January 7, 2013 at 2:56 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Ouch! Rebus really put Rickaroo in his place! Rickaroo crawls away with tail tucked between legs. Not hardly.

Just answer me this: if FDR, who is obviously the most progressive, liberal minded president in our nation's history, and his Republican/conservative enemies all branded him a Communist in his day (but clearly he was not), then how can Obama's enemies today, who all call him a Communist/Marxist/socialist, rightfully call him that when in fact his policies are not nearly as liberal or progressive in scope as anything that FDR ever did?

See if you can do something besides spit out adolescent one-liners. Let us see your critical thinking skills at work, for a change.

January 7, 2013 at 3:15 p.m.
jesse said...

UHHH Mickey ,that video fits at least 4 or 5 on here BUT you are right it fits TU right down to the ground!

January 7, 2013 at 3:30 p.m.
Rebus said...

"....and his Republican/conservative enemies all branded him a Communist..."

You must be rewriting history there, Bunky. Btw, haven't seen too much critical thinking out of you 3 losers....just name-calling.

January 7, 2013 at 3:34 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

You must not be READING history. Calling him a communist was one of the milder epithets that were heaped upon him by his many enemies on the right. I'm through with you, little man. Go ahead and sit on your tired ass and waste your day here spewing out your childish rants. I have wasted enough time here. I have better things to do than to try to debate with bricks-for-brains.

January 7, 2013 at 3:42 p.m.
GratefulDawg said...

"Btw, haven't seen too much critical thinking out of you 3 losers....just name-calling. --Rebus"

I abhor ad hominem attacks. This guy over here though, the slack-jawed human paraquat that he is, he always resorts to name-calling. If you are not a fan of Socratic irony, this forum is no place for you.

January 7, 2013 at 4:03 p.m.
Easy123 said...

GratefulDawg,

"the slack-jawed human paraquat"

I'm standing to applaud you, sir. Tremendous use of vocabulary. Literary gold.

January 7, 2013 at 4:14 p.m.
Rebus said...

Only a juco grad would classify it as literary gold.

January 7, 2013 at 4:21 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Jack_Rebus,

"Only a juco grad would classify it as literary gold."

Is this the extent of your wit? Is this all your tiny brain can come up with? I'm challenging you to make an attempt to not look like a moron; to not talk out of your ass.

Your 6th grade joke book isn't funny. Say something novel. Hell, say something quasi-intelligent. Don't worry. I'll wait.

In the meantime, I'll be polishing my Bachelor's degree. LMFAO!

January 7, 2013 at 4:35 p.m.
Rebus said...

123: Bachelors degree? I had one before the best part of you was left in your mom's pants.

January 7, 2013 at 4:52 p.m.
alprova said...

Jack, there is no way under heaven that you have a college education of any degree.

January 7, 2013 at 5:07 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Jack_Rebus.

"123: Bachelors degree? I had one before the best part of you was left in your mom's pants."

No, you didn't. You still don't have one. That's why you demonize education. You also seem to have a difficult time understand how the reproductive system/fetal development works. It's not surprising but it's still sad.

I'm still waiting on that quasi-intelligent, witty and/or funny comment.

January 7, 2013 at 5:14 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Rebus says: “FYI, Rebus opposed both Iraq and Afghanistan wars from the get-go. Perhaps Laurel should study differences between traditional conservative and neo-cons.”

Since you appear to be posting the “talking points” issued by the neo-cons in regard to Hagel, I think you’ve given me an impossible task. . . And for the record, what exactly is a “traditional” conservative? Can you give us a few clues. . . at least a couple of distinguishing characteristics? Indeed, I must confess that I thought the “traditional” species was extinct.

January 7, 2013 at 5:44 p.m.
Rebus said...

laurel, why would I give you talking points. I don't even know any talking points re Hagel. You're right,the traditional conservative is a dying breed...think about semi-isolationists, limited govt., a tad of libertarianism...that's close.

January 7, 2013 at 6:05 p.m.
GratefulDawg said...

"Your 6th grade joke book isn't funny. --Easy123"

Q: Why did the chicken cross the road?

A: Well, it's complicated. The chicken had some sort of identity crisis and changed his screen name. You see, his side of the road was filled with chickens that clucked on about birth certificates and "obamaist." There was a chicken that kept threatening to fire all the other poultry and another that thrashed about making absurd claims of wealth and power. The chicken decided it was time to make the break for another coop. He only aimed for the middle of the road, but kept veering into the right lane putting him smack-dab in the way of oncoming traffic...

What's a chicken to do when the right side is the wrong side?

January 7, 2013 at 6:59 p.m.
hambone said...

tu quoque, you better douche and do a double enema in case your father and his freinds drop by.

Again!

January 7, 2013 at 8 p.m.
Easy123 said...

I'm sure you've had your fair share of gold showers, sTUpid.

January 7, 2013 at 8:11 p.m.
dude_abides said...

tderng said... "dude_..." "As a new Democrat I need some guidance on this subject... As I understand it this Hagel has opposed Israel and attempted to impose sanctions on them. I need direction here so that I can explain our point of view when I argue with my former conservative allies."

gerndt... Speaking as a freshly minted Republican, I'd say it's obvious that Obama has nominated a right of center maverick to get elected to a second term!

January 7, 2013 at 9:37 p.m.
Rebus said...

alpo says "Jack, there is no way under heaven that you have a college education of any degree"

alpo pissed he only has AA from Calhoun CC.

January 7, 2013 at 9:46 p.m.
GratefulDawg said...

Hey tu, at least you tried. And you did look up Socratic irony, so at least you learned something today. Of course that "Mind-Fu@k" you promised only served to prove that you are unable to understand any banter that rises above the level of dildos, enemas, and short penis jokes. Stick with the cut-and-paste posts, when left to your own devices all you offer are the psychotic ramblings of a sexually frustrated troll.

January 7, 2013 at 11:14 p.m.
Rebus said...

TROLL = anyone disagreeing with the leftists punks on this forum.

January 7, 2013 at 11:50 p.m.
Easy123 said...

MORON = Jack_Dennis a.k.a. Rebus

January 8, 2013 at 4:06 a.m.
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