published Monday, January 7th, 2013

Smith: Let the record show ...

By Robin Smith
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    Robin Smith, former Chairman of the Tennessee Republican Party and congressional candidate.
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In your favorite episode of "Matlock" or "Perry Mason," the "ah-hah" moments were frequently preceded by the phrase, "Let the record show."

After the 2011-2012 Tennessee General Assembly, the Legislative Record, published on Nov. 5, 2012, shows some pretty revealing information that disproves the criticism from many.

You remember the labels of "crazy" and the "worst legislature in the country" awarded by those clarions of intellect at Mother Jones magazine, who screeched about Tennessee's effort to address sex education.

In reality, teaching high-school students in Nashville how to put a condom in their mouths and then place them on an anatomical model triggered the legislation. Maybe that's how some want our education dollars spent. But I'd bet most people oppose that.

Then you have the "Don't Say Gay" bill that gained headlines from the Huffington Post, the Daily Kos and the Los Angeles Times, just to name a few. The actual Senate Bill 49 and accompanying House Bill 229 simply stated, "The general assembly recognizes the sensitivity of particular subjects that are best explained and discussed in the home. Human sexuality is a complex subject with societal, scientific, psychological and historical implications; those implications are best understood by children with sufficient maturity to grasp their complexity. Notwithstanding any other law to the contrary, no public elementary or middle school shall provide any instruction or material that discusses sexual orientation other than heterosexuality."

Whew! We have to be relieved that such radical thinking of our state legislature noting the best place to teach about sexuality for those in kindergarten through the eighth grade to be in the home was exposed and ridiculed. Who's really the laughing stock?

Let the 2012 Tennessee Legislative Record show that a handful of bills were given outrageous titles and labels by the press and opponents. (Sometimes, I wonder if they're not one in the same.) These bills that numbered fewer than a dozen over the two-year session grabbed the headlines while our elected state legislators actually balanced the state's budget, protected Tennessee taxpayers from higher taxes and cultivated a growing business community with:

• 139 Senate resolutions

• 932 Senate joint resolutions

• 3,817 Senate bills

• 307 House resolutions

• 1,181 House joint resolutions

• 3,887 House bills

So, while it may serve the purpose of those who want homosexuality taught to kindergartners and your 10th-grader to have the life experience of placing a condom on a mannequin with their mouth as "sex education," the outlandish labels placed on legitimate legislation do not serve the people of our state as we deserve.

The opponents of these few pieces of legislation certainly own the criticism leveled by a far-left national media and should enjoy their success in having Tennessee's General Assembly painted as hillbillies. I do have to question why an active citizen is left to dig out this information and formulate the truth.

Granted, not every piece of legislation can be defended as an effective use of time. However, Tennessee has a part-time legislature that actually does a great deal of work in just a few months. Tennessee is identified in countless business and financial publications as a state favorable for business and a historically low unemployment rate.

Sadly, there's such glee in the insults around the titles awarded legislation that, if honestly examined, is not radical.

As Tennessee's 108th General Assembly convenes tomorrow, let's watch what the record shows, not what elicits electrifying headlines. Let's hope, too, that when such deliberate acts of confusion and distortion are used our elected officials will make a strong effort to clarify and, indeed, set the record straight.

Robin Smith is a wife and mother living in Hixson. She served as chairwoman of the Tennessee Republican Party from 2007 to 2009.

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lkeithlu said...

Sorry, Robin-the "Don't say gay" bill is a problem. Schools need to be safe areas where gay teens can talk honestly to adults, and where bullies are confronted for their behavior against gays. If you cannot talk to students about sexual orientation, this means you must stay silent. It takes adults being open and honest about this issue to help gay teens through the most difficult years of realizing their sexual orientation, something that their families may not be equipped to handle.

Schools should have marked safe zones, rooms in which the adult is open to discuss this issue with the teen and where bullying is not tolerated. Schools need Gay-Straight Alliance clubs to help raise awareness among the students. Being gay is not a disease, nor is it a sin. Homosexuality is a natural variation in the human population. It is time to leave the dark ages of fear, judgment and silence, for the sake of gay students.

Funny-you did not mention HB368, which put TN back decades in the area of science education.

January 7, 2013 at 7:06 a.m.
Stewwie said...

[Being gay is not a disease, nor is it a sin.]

Not a sin? By what standard? Scripture clearly teaches that being gay is a choice and it is a sin. Also in regard to choice, there is nothing scientific that conclusively disproves it. Besides, you wouldn't see folks switching from straight to gay (and vice versa) if they were born with a certain orientation.

[Funny-you did not mention HB368, which put TN back decades in the area of science education.]

If you think that allowing a discussion on the weaknesses in the theory of evolution and global warming is setting us back "decades", then you must not see the value in examining both sides of the issues and encouraging critical thinking.

January 7, 2013 at 1:56 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Fairy-tales of the universe's creation by gods belongs in a study of mythology, not in science class.

Creationism, Intelligent Design, and "God Did It" belongs in comic books, not school books.

They are not alternative theories in scientific thought. They are religious myths presented as imaginative stories by tribes ignorant of science and the process of science.

That people still believe in such madness illustrates the scientific ignorance of much of the population, not the truth of such stories.

January 7, 2013 at 2:06 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Robin Smith wrote: "In your favorite episode of "Matlock" or "Perry Mason," the "ah-hah" moments were frequently preceded by the phrase, "Let the record show."

My favorite episodes are when the crooked, lying, hypocritical politicians are carted off to jail for long sentences, without parole, and are fined large amounts, and must pay back with interest all the money they stole from taxpayers.

Ah-ha! I like it better when it's in real life.

January 7, 2013 at 5:44 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Stewie, people don't "switch" their orientation.

And, no, there is no scientific explanation for the diversity of life other than evolution. None. Teaching kids otherwise is dishonest.

January 7, 2013 at 7:23 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Stewwie,

You're patently ignorant. Nothing you said is factual other than your Biblical rhetoric.

Unbelievable!

January 7, 2013 at 8:23 p.m.
rumrunr said...

Stewwie, stewwie, stewwie... your belief that "scripture" supports your view and condemns mine is why the world will pass you by.(as all non-useful things, in nature, are)

January 7, 2013 at 8:27 p.m.
conservative said...

Thank you Robin Smith!

I do not and have not read Mother Jones magazine but I thank you for revealing their evil. Whenever I read Liberals spouting evil I am always mindful of Isaiah 5:20 :

Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

And Isaiah 5:21:

Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!

January 8, 2013 at 10:23 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Whenever I read religious fanatics spouting 'scripture' I am always mindful of the wisdom of Robert Ingersoll.

"The inspiration of the Bible depends upon the ignorance of the gentleman who reads it." Robert Green Ingersoll

And this:

"There can be but little liberty on earth while men worship a tyrant in heaven." Robert Green Ingersoll

January 8, 2013 at 10:49 a.m.
Stewwie said...

[Stewie, people don't "switch" their orientation.]

People who have indeed switched their orientation would disagree with your statement.

[And, no, there is no scientific explanation for the diversity of life other than evolution. None. Teaching kids otherwise is dishonest.]

There is no definitive scientific explanation for the diversity of life. It's still just a guess. But that's part of the problem...the limitation of science. In a biology class, the study of life cannot and should not begin and end with the limited knowledge that science gives us. To do so limits ideas/possibilities and hinders critical thinking.

There are three basic explanations for the beginning of the universe: 1) a godless Big Bang, 2) a God-caused Big Bang, and 3) a God-designed creation. The main problem with the pure scientific theory of evolution is that it cannot explain possibility #1. Abiogenesis (life from non-life) is impossible, so science alone looks silly trying to explain how we got here. Some folks subscribe to possibility #2, but possibility #3 is most realistic and it follows what Scripture teaches. There are no missing links in the Biblical account of creation.

January 8, 2013 at 3:38 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Your ignorance is showing, Stewie

a) No one "switches" their orientation. They are what they are. Supported by the science, dude.

b) speaking of science, evolution does not address the start of the universe or even the earth, nor does it address the start of life. Wrong theory. As for creation? Genesis has two versions. Which one is correct?

PS: advice to you, Stewie. Learn some science before you post. You will avoid looking silly.

January 8, 2013 at 3:47 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Stewwie,

Take notes:

"People who have indeed switched their orientation would disagree with your statement."

People DO NOT switch their sexual orientation. Many people are confused about their sexual orientation. Many individuals feel pressure from society to be a certain way but never was their orientation switched. Homosexual individuals were always homosexual and vice versa.

"There is no definitive scientific explanation for the diversity of life. It's still just a guess."

That is demonstrably false. Evolution is a fact.

http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/faqs-evolution.html

"But that's part of the problem...the limitation of science."

The limitation only lies with human beings. Science is ALWAYS searching for the truth. The Bible claims to know the answers. Science remains skeptical until something is proven again and again with testable evidence. You believe a 2,000 year old book. I believe modern science books. I win.

"In a biology class, the study of life cannot and should not begin and end with the limited knowledge that science gives us."

Yes, it should. That's what biology is. The study of living things. We have no other knowledge of these living things outside of science. Evolution is the only explanation for our observable world.

"To do so limits ideas/possibilities and hinders critical thinking."

False. There are no limits to science. Science is critical thinking. Scientific inquiry is how we know what we know now. Religion is not critical thinking. Religion is myth. Religion is, by definition, unable to be proven with evidence i.e. faith. Religion is not and never will be science.

"The main problem with the pure scientific theory of evolution is that it cannot explain possibility #1."

Evolution has nothing to say about the origin of the universe. Evolution only describes the change among organisms over time.

"Abiogenesis (life from non-life) is impossible, so science alone looks silly trying to explain how we got here."

First of all, abiogenesis is possible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis

Secondly, science, more specifically, evolution, does explain how humans got here. We evolved from a common ancestor with chimps. If you're referring to the Big Bang. "Science" has a very in depth explanation for that too.

http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/universe/

"Some folks subscribe to possibility #2, but possibility #3 is most realistic and it follows what Scripture teaches."

Who created God? Why is that the most realistic? Because the Bible said so?! Define god. Show us the evidence of your god. Show us evidence that your god created ANYTHING.

"There are no missing links in the Biblical account of creation."

There are millions of missing links, inaccuracies, lies, etc. in the creation myth.

Take Ikeithlu's advice. Come back when you've actually studied science.

January 8, 2013 at 4:22 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

A great article by Robin, followed by a bunch of written vitriol from intolerant "progressives" that think their beliefs are all facts.

Face it guys, Washington could learn a lesson in good governance from the Tennessee Legislature. I know it hurts to see your heros outclassed like that but the sooner you learn to deal with it the sooner you can start healing.

January 8, 2013 at 4:45 p.m.
Easy123 said...

BRP,

"followed by a bunch of written vitriol from intolerant "progressives" that think their beliefs are all facts."

No vitriol. No "beliefs" either. Facts are facts. Some people just chose to ignore them. You've thrown your lot in with the ignorant. This isn't the first time but this occasion has been duly noted.

"I know it hurts to see your heros outclassed like that but the sooner you learn to deal with it the sooner you can start healing."

You should read this to yourself everyday!

January 8, 2013 at 5:08 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Stewwie wrote: "There are no missing links in the Biblical account of creation."

Just missing minds, science, and reason. If you're going to insist on a god, can't you do better than Jehovah? Why worship a blood-thirsty, paranoid, schizophrenic, impotent old geezer?

Reading the Bible thoroughly proves it is a myth of superstitious tribes.

Or do you believe Grimm's Fairy-tales as well? Certainly Grimm's is more entertaining and well-written than the Bible and without the religious douchebaggery of the Abrahamic legends.

You'd think that a real Jehovah could do better than have such spokesman as Billy Graham, Mike Huckabee, Jimmy Swaggert, Joel Osteen, Pope Pius 12th, Jim Jones, Oral Roberts, Ernest Angley, David Koresh, Joseph Smith and Brigham Young.

I always find it amusing when Christians talk about the ridiculous story the Scientologists present as if talking serpents, burning bushes, and walking on water is more sensical.

January 8, 2013 at 7:11 p.m.
Stewwie said...

[Many people are confused about their sexual orientation.]

Many? Wow. False.

[Homosexual individuals were always homosexual and vice versa.]

False. This statement contradicts the stories/testimonies of folks who lived one lifestyle and then completely switched to the other. Maybe these real-life occurrences aren't enough evidence?

[You believe a 2,000 year old book. I believe modern science books. I win.]

You're entitled to your belief, but it is foolish to dismiss the possibility of a God/Creator simply because science can't go there.

[First of all, abiogenesis is possible.]

No it's not. Maybe the source below will help:

http://www.studytoanswer.net/origins/abiogenesis.html

[We evolved from a common ancestor with chimps.]

You can speak for yourself, but I don't have any distant cousins living at the zoo.

[Show us evidence that your god created ANYTHING.]

Look around, dude.

[There are millions of missing links, inaccuracies, lies, etc. in the creation myth.]

Millions? Lol.

January 9, 2013 at 8:46 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Stewie, you have a lot to learn. Your ignorance is showing. Biogenesis is possible (without the supernatural). There are several good proposed mechanisms. Interesting enough, it may have happened several times right here on earth, getting wiped out each time until the conditions on the early earth became stable.

And yes, we are closely related to chimps. More closely related than they are to gorillas. Sorry if that offends you but it is true.

That you reference anything from Answers in Genesis is revealing. Ken Ham is a lying fraud. Funny that you have no answer to square the discrepancies between the two genesis versions of creation. Of course, don't look too closely to your creation story-it does not fit the physical evidence at all-neither version.

You are free to believe any mythology you choose. But you cannot call it science, nor can you honestly dismiss all of science just because you know nothing about it.(well, you can, but it just reveals your ignorance) Again, if you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch.

January 9, 2013 at 9:11 a.m.
conservative said...

"Notwithstanding any other law to the contrary, no public elementary or middle school shall provide any instruction or material that discusses sexual orientation other than heterosexuality."

How could anyone with a sense of decency be opposed to that? How could an adult teacher be so inclined to teach a child the evil of homosexuality?

I am certain there is great judgment awaiting those who would pervert the mind of an innocent child and teach homosexuality to that innocent child.

Jesus in Mathew 18:6-7 condemned those who would thrust such evil upon an innocent child:

The Amplified Bible - 6 But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in and [acknowledge and cleave to Me to stumble and sin [that is, who entices him or hinders him in right conduct or thought], it would be better more expedient and profitable or advantageous) for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be sunk in the depth of the sea.

7 Woe to the world for such temptations to sin and influences to do wrong! It is necessary that temptations come, but woe to the person on whose account or by whom the temptation comes!

January 9, 2013 at 9:19 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Stewwie,

"Many? Wow. False."

"9 million Americans identify as gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender (2011). Bisexuals make up 1.8% of the population, while 1.7% are gay or lesbian. Transgender adults make up 0.3% of the population."

http://gaylife.about.com/od/comingout/a/population.htm

I'd say many of those 9 million people have had some confusion over their sexual orientation given the stigma our society puts on it.

"False. This statement contradicts the stories/testimonies of folks who lived one lifestyle and then completely switched to the other. Maybe these real-life occurrences aren't enough evidence?"

Not false. Those real-life occurrences are few and far between and, despite what your narrow mind believes, anyone that does "switch" usually does so because they were shamed, forced, or received hormone therapy, etc. So no, those very few legitimate occurrences are not enough evidence at all

"You're entitled to your belief, but it is foolish to dismiss the possibility of a God/Creator simply because science can't go there."

Why don't you believe that a giant Octopus created everything then? You have just presented an argument from incredulity. Just because science doesn't have your answer (it does, you just choose to discount those answers), doesn't mean that any god/creator/intelligent designer exists.

"No it's not. Maybe the source below will help:"

Yes, it is. It's been scientifically proven.

You're too far gone for this source to help you:

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/list.html#CB0

"You can speak for yourself, but I don't have any distant cousins living at the zoo."

I speak for all homo sapiens. Yes, you do have many very, very, very distant cousins living at the zoo.

"Look around, dude."

And I'm seeing zero evidence of any god creating anything, dude.

"Millions? Lol."

MILLIONS.

January 9, 2013 at 9:25 a.m.
Easy123 said...

conservative,

"How could anyone with a sense of decency be opposed to that?"

Because homosexuals are people and have played various, important roles throughout history.

"How could an adult teacher be so inclined to teach a child the evil of homosexuality?"

No teacher is teaching children homosexuality. You're misrepresenting the situation. Mentioning homosexuality is not teaching someone to be homosexual. You must believe someone can be talked into being homosexual, correct? So we all start out asexual, correct?

"I am certain there is great judgment awaiting those who would pervert the mind of an innocent child and teach homosexuality to that innocent child."

You aren't certain and no minds are being perverted but your own. As I mention before, no one is teaching homosexuality to children either. What does your Bible say about liars? You know all about that "bearing false witness" stuff. You're an old pro.

Religion poisons everything. -Christopher Hitchens

January 9, 2013 at 9:31 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

conservative, no one "teaches" homosexuality to children. No one "teaches" sexuality to children. Children are sexual beings, although at young ages their understanding of sexuality is minimal. However, a proportion of young teens becoming aware of their attraction to others sexually find that they are attracted to the same gender. This is normal and healthy, if not turned into some bizarre religious outrage by people who cannot understand the wonderful complexity of the human being and see only what their narrow religious teachings want them to see. The fact is that there are wonderful, sweet complex human beings out there that are gay, and some folks like you are determined to destroy them. Shame on you and your ilk. Being a teen is hard enough. Being a gay teen is much worse, especially when they are rejected and condemned by the adults who should love and protect them.

We would all like sex to be in the context of a loving, committed relationship. We know that it happens outside of that (the last three generations admit to sex outside of marriage at a rate of 95%). Gays and Lesbians live in committed monogamous relationships even though they may not be recognized by churches or government. Heterosexuals obviously do too, though given that prostitution is flourishing, extra marital sex is happening all the time.

January 9, 2013 at 9:40 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Ikeithlu,

I wish I could give you a "High-5".

January 9, 2013 at 9:43 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones. Psalm 137:9 , KJV

Some more of that great god love shining through. For a god that loves so much, the old goat sure likes his killing, murder, rape, and genocide.

January 9, 2013 at 9:48 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Easy, I am indebted to you for the energy you have expended on our mutual friend Ken Orr. The stupid is strong with that one, and requires some tag-team effort!

January 9, 2013 at 9:54 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

If You haven't read anything else on this thread, please read this.

Hi everyone! I have a question. What has changed/flip-flopped/back-tracked/reversed-geared/contradicted and disagreed with itself more often, so-called Science, or, The Holy Bible (Authorized King James Version?

I have already, on this site, in the past, resolutely, affirmatively, definitely, without exception, cogently, with finality, and, without contradiction, or, possibility of honest, and, serious scholarly disputation, debunked the notion that Jesus Christ's Holy inerrant Word contradicts itself. He is The Very Truth, and, ergo, His Holy Word is The Very Truth. (And my commas are still the superior application within English grammatical usage).

Who is this that darkens counsel 'without' knowledge? Read on...'Those who 'think' they have, uh, uh, knowledge'.

Somebody tell me a little bit about their first-hand knowledge of what happens after death. Tell me about what is happening, and why, (forgot the superior comma) (so i will place it here , ) Now i feel better! (:> Where was I? Oh yes...Tell me about what is happening, and why, in the distance between planet earth and The galaxy MACS0647-JD which is 13.3 Billion Light Years away. What laws of physics are governing these happenings?

'If' there are any Pseudo-Intellectuals to be found, look no further than the human race. We compare ourselves 'with' ourselves. Ha! What a joke. Read the Red Letters of the New Testament (Authorized King James Version). There You will find Emmanuel who declared He Is YHWH (Very God). How shall we escape if we neglect so great a Salvation? Deny Him, and He will most certainly deny You to The Father. There is no ('NONE') forgiveness for blasphemy of The Holy Spirit.

I invite You to enter the Arc of Safety, Jesus Christ, and Your eternal Soul will be Saved. I personally love You enough to invite You to receive Jesus Christ as Your Lord, God and Saviour. kwo

January 10, 2013 at 10:54 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Orr again proves why creationism and religion should not be taught in public schools, not allowed in government buildings and public properties, and not literally believed as any god's word.

Please read the Bible. It's full of myths, contradictions, fabrications, murder, genocide, hate, and cruelties. There's no reason, science or "brotherly love." Only poorly written stories of ancient tribes with most of those stories stolen from earlier tribes.

And Orr is still a religious lunatic unable, unwilling, or completely ignorant of science and the scientific process.

Orr is, however, a proven liar by his own words, time and time again.

January 11, 2013 at 9:10 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Orr,

"I have already, on this site, in the past, resolutely, affirmatively, definitely, without exception, cogently, with finality, and, without contradiction, or, possibility of honest, and, serious scholarly disputation, debunked the notion that Jesus Christ's Holy inerrant Word contradicts itself."

No, you have not.

"He is The Very Truth, and, ergo, His Holy Word is The Very Truth. (And my commas are still the superior application within English grammatical usage)."

You have absolutely no clue how to use a coma.

"Somebody tell me a little bit about their first-hand knowledge of what happens after death."

That is called a loaded question. No one has "first-hand knowledge" of what happens after death. However, nothing happens after death. There is no proof of an afterlife therefore, any claim of one is only assumption.

"Tell me about what is happening, and why, in the distance between planet earth and The galaxy MACS0647-JD which is 13.3 Billion Light Years away."

Why?

"What laws of physics are governing these happenings?"

All of them.

"Deny Him, and He will most certainly deny You to The Father. There is no ('NONE') forgiveness for blasphemy of The Holy Spirit."

Who cares?

I shall quote daytonsdarwin:

And Orr is still a religious lunatic unable, unwilling, or completely ignorant of science and the scientific process.

Orr is, however, a proven liar by his own words, time and time again.

That sums you up very nicely.

January 11, 2013 at 9:42 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

"Pseudo-Intellectuals are just that because they hope to make themselves feel better about themselves"<<< kwo

January 11, 2013 at 10:51 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Don't worry Orr. No one will ever use your name and intellectual in the same sentence.

January 11, 2013 at 11:03 a.m.
Easy123 said...

It's interesting to note that Orr never actually gets into a debate. He spews his ignorance and leaves. Then the cycle starts over. I think he knows he is in way over his head. I don't think he ever anticipated opposition that was so scientifically literate.

I'd love to hear his answers to my questions but I know he will never answer them. He knows he does not want to get into that debate.

January 11, 2013 at 5:19 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

This, then is the epitome, the height of human arrogance: Any human who presumes to think they can know the veracity of another human's disclosed experience. Now, please understand! I have given the example of X who has a dream. X shares his/her dream to 'epitome of arrogance' who says to X, "I don't believe you, this cannot be verified by the scientific method. If I cannot have proof of your dream experience/content, then, it did not/does not exist."

There, you have it, the evil of arrogance. Or, is it the epitome/height of ignorance?

Ron Phillips, Senior Pastor of Abbas's House in Hixson, TN reports he had an encounter with an Angel from Heaven. The Angel's name is Noble. Millions of people, no doubt, believe Pastor Phillips. I certainly do, also.

Now, 'Epitome-Arrogance' does not possess the spiritual capacity to have such an experience. He does not meet the requirements. So, I dare anyone to go tell My Pastor that he is a 'nut case lunatic'. I dare anyone to go tell all the grieving parents of the Newtown, Connecticut deceased children that they are praying to the 'Tooth Fairy'. I dare anyone to go tell Pastor Ron Phillip's Son that his Dad is a 'delusional moron'.

But, Mr./Ms 'Epitome-Arrogance, if it can't be proven by the scientific method, then You 'KNOW' that others experience cannot be real...like yours is.......Huh!

Ken Orr

January 11, 2013 at 11:55 p.m.
Easy123 said...

The epitome of arrogance is to make extravagant claims like knowing there is a god and, not only that, but knowing that god's will as well. And when asked for proof, those same people can come up with none but expect the world to believe it simple because a book they read says so.

Ron Phillips is a "nut case lunactic" for making such claims. He is a "delusional moron" for preaching lies from a book of myths. Any grieving parents from Newtown, Connecticut that pray to your god are delusional as well. But most of all, Ken Orr, you are a "nut case lunatic" and a "delusional moron". You and your outrageous claims are the epitome of arrogance.

Your experiences mean nothing to me nor should they to anyone else. They are delusions from an already compromised brain. If it cannot be proven, explained or theorized by science then it is not worth discussing.

January 12, 2013 at 1:38 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Orr blathered again: "Ron Phillips, Senior Pastor of Abbas's House in Hixson, TN reports he had an encounter with an Angel from Heaven."

The only things encountered by Ron Phillips were doughnuts, Red Velvet cake, tons of fried chicken, mashed potatoes and gravy, and his out-stretched hand wanting money.

This is a magazine Ron Phillips writes for. Here's is one of their articles. Read it, understand it, and then you'll see the danger of wacko fundamentalists of all religions.

It's also hilarious.

http://www.charismamag.com/spirit/spiritual-warfare/15889-can-you-be-raped-by-the-devil

January 12, 2013 at 9:15 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Medical Doctor-Scientists for years prescribed cigarettes for the health of their patients. SCIENCE!

Coffee was demonized by the SCIENTIFIC community, now it is held in high esteem as a healthy choice.

If I desired to invest my time I could fill up several pages with flip-flops of science, 'so called. You seek after the fleeting and uncertain, vacillating faith of those who search for reasons to remain immoral. Faith in an uncertain science, 'so-called'.

Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. Hebrews 13:8

On Christ the Solid Rock I stand, all other ground is sinking sand!

It is still not too late. You are still alive/breathing. Accept Jesus Christ today as Your Lord God and Saviour.

Ken ORR

January 12, 2013 at 12:47 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Poor, deluded, lunatic Orr. In one simple paragraph I'll cast away your demons of ignorance about the scientific process.

Science is falsifiable; revealed religion is not. Science progresses; revealed religion does not. Science seeks truth; revealed religion seeks slaves.

Orr spouts: "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. Hebrews 13:8"

I yam what I yam. —Popeye

January 12, 2013 at 1:03 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Mind-numbing ignorance from Ken Orr. Absolutely unbelievable.

January 12, 2013 at 1:39 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

It's as you say, Easy. Orr never debates, just spouts more useless scripture.

I can even imagine the fictitious Jesus saying, "WTF, Orr? Are you really that stupid?"

January 12, 2013 at 1:44 p.m.
Easy123 said...

daytonsdarwin,

"It's as you say, Easy. Orr never debates, just spouts more useless scripture."

Or using phrases like "Medical Doctor-Scientists". Because everyone knows medical doctors are scientists, right? LMFAO! That's just ignorance about something very basic.

Or saying coffee was condemned by the "scientific" community. Because everyone knows all those physicists, biologists, chemists, neurologists, etc. were condemning coffee, right? LMFAO! Again, ignorance about something very basic and the intentional misuse of the word "scientific" in an attempt to further his argument.

Ken Orr has absolutely no clue what he is talking about. But he's also the same person that attempts to defend his improper use of coma's as "superior" to the actual way they are supposed to be used. So I'm not sure if he's just highly deluded or crazy. It's probably a mixture of both with a whole bunch of ignorance thrown in.

I've never come across anyone as delusional as Ken Orr. I've also never come across someone that claims so much knowledge but, in reality, is so utterly ignorant about everything he mentions here.

January 12, 2013 at 1:54 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Easy wrote; "I've never come across anyone as delusional as Ken Orr. I've also never come across someone that claims so much knowledge but, in reality, is so utterly ignorant about everything he mentions here."

When the stories you base your life on are unscientific, magical, mind-controlling, irrational, unreasonable, and are a collection of fairy-tales assembled by politicians and priests for political power, are 2000 year-old tales of an imaginary deity devised by ancient tribes, and the person reading these stories has no conception of science, logic, and the universe, you get Ken Orr and other religious evangelicals as the result whether Christian, Jewish, or Muslims.

January 12, 2013 at 4:33 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Hey Yall! Is it lunatic for me to genuinely want Yall to spend eternity in Heaven? Is it moronic for me to want Yall to miss out on a literal burning hell where the smoke of Your torment will ascend up for ever and ever? Is it delusional for me to believe Jesus Christ Is who He claims to be, The Lord God of Hosts? Yall cannot be associated with anyone more exalted/powerful than Jesus, Yall cannot climb higher than absolute Love, so, do not deny Yourselves. Please accept true love, and ask Jesus Christ to save Your eternal souls right now...before it is ever too late.

Ps

Also, please publicly ask Pastor Ron Phillips, his dear Wife and Family to forgive You for what You have said. Please request/suggest that the comment be removed from print. Thank You, kwo

January 12, 2013 at 5:53 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Yes, you are a lunatic. Yes, you are moronic. Yes, you are delusional. My dogs are more exalted, powerful, and loving than your pretend god because my dogs are real.

I won't ask an imaginary being to save me anymore than ask Humpty-Dumpty to make an omelet. Fairy-tale creatures can't do either.

I thought gluttony was a sin as well as running a religious Ponzi scheme so I won't ask for any of my comments to be removed.

Clear enough for you?

January 12, 2013 at 7:02 p.m.
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