published Thursday, January 10th, 2013

The Bottle Opener

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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blackwater48 said...

WHO’S COUNTING?

I don't know all the details of the proposed reforms kicking around the Senate right now, but one idea really jump out at me.

Instead of needing 60 votes to kill a filibuster, the new rule would switch it around. You would now need 41 votes to SUSTAIN a filibuster. Not sure how that would play out exactly but it’s an interesting approach. Still pondering the macro impact.

A filibuster once only delayed a vote so an individual Senator could make his case against it. He had to stand for as long as he could to make his legislative points. Today, the filibuster is both silent and anonymous. It has devolved into a cottage industry where lobbyists make big bucks and the Senate passes about 2% of the Bills passed by the House.

Let's cite a couple of hypothetical examples as to why that may be.

Let's say FedEx wanted to stop workers from unionizing. Let's also assume that they are a leading campaign contributor to Senator Corker (R-TN) It would be easy for Corker to filibuster an FAA reauthorization bill until it included a provision that prevented FedEx workers from unionizing.

Here's another hypothetical: Let’s say that following the BP oil disaster, the oil and gas industry was eager to get the White House to allow more oil drilling in the Gulf. Senator Mary Landrieu (D-LA), recipient of generous oil and gas campaign contributions, could theoretically block Obama's nominee for the Office of Management and Budget until she, and the industry she religiously serves, got their new hypothetical drilling permits.

Steven Duffield, former aide to Senator John Kyl, wrote recently in an op-ed column for the Washington Examiner about the importance of maintaining the status quo with regard to the Senate filibuster. No surprise. Duffield has a lobbying firm called Endgame Strategies. Their website, since taken down, was once quite blunt in pitching potential corporate clients.

"Your organization has an interest in a bill that has proven controversial and you require advocacy before those legislators — often backbench Senate republicans — who may exercise their prerogatives to delay or obstruct. Endgame Strategies will give you new ways to manage your interests in a legislative environment that gives great power to individual senators."

For a price, remember, always for a price.

So I hope the Senate can get the filibuster back to its original place in senate rules. Maybe the Senate will once again be an institution where the majority rules.

But don't count on it.

January 10, 2013 at 1:49 a.m.
fairmon said...

A filibuster typically slows the legislative process down which is usually not a bad thing. In a country where we correctly insist no minority be mistreated by a majority although it still happens why would we insist on a majority ruling in the senate of a republic form of government without an opportunity for challenge by the minority? Those wanting to change things to their way like to label the change as reform, any change should not simply be more convenient for some but truly meet the definition of reform.

January 10, 2013 at 3:31 a.m.
fairmon said...

nooga....they rarely get what they want and can only get what they want if the majority allows it. Hypothetical is not proven and is a guess so the examples are extreme. The point is whatever the change is needs to avoid allowing a majority to run rough shod over the minority. Those doing the "FIX" need to do so keeping in mind the possibility of a shift in majority to the other party or an increase in the majority. Congress is known better for unintended consequences than any thing accomplished. An approval rating of 11% may be too high.

January 10, 2013 at 7:10 a.m.
Maximus said...

Blackwater...Your hypotheticals are looney. Why would any one even think about ruining one of the best and most efficient companies in the United States, FedX, by bringing in an obsolete and very unnecessary thug run union? Do you want to turn FedX into a complete bankrupt mess like the "snail mail" U.S. Postal Service? As for oil, do you like to travel? Airliners burn more wonderful fossil fuel each day than you can ever believe. You must be one of those Al Jeseera Gore enviro freaks. Breaking news...global warming is a liberal money making hoax. Just ask Algore, he made over $600 million with his non-evidence based, make it up as you go, climate change powerpoint presentation. By the way, Al flew around the world in his private, gas guzzling jet while presenting his power point carnival show. In closing, have ya'll ever noticed how Clay looks like the uni-bomber? Hmmmm. They let any loon out on parole these days.

January 10, 2013 at 8:45 a.m.
jesse said...

I could go for going back to the way it was when ,IF you filibustered you had to be up on the podium ORATING !

And you could only have 3 speakers appear once only!

That way a filibuster would prob.only last maybe 72 hours!

January 10, 2013 at 8:48 a.m.
degage said...

Nooga, you mean like the 14% atheist getting what they want and screw the 86% christians?

January 10, 2013 at 9:04 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Maxmiusty,

"Why would any one even think about ruining one of the best and most efficient companies in the United States, FedX, by bringing in an obsolete and very unnecessary thug run union?"

FedEx had to drastically downsize this year due to the economy. FedEx isn't as good or as efficient as UPS. Guess who does have union rules? UPS!

"Breaking news...global warming is a liberal money making hoax."

False.

:Just ask Algore, he made over $600 million with his non-evidence based, make it up as you go, climate change powerpoint presentation."

The evidence is overwhelming in favor of global warming.

"In closing, have ya'll ever noticed how Clay looks like the uni-bomber? Hmmmm. They let any loon out on parole these days."

Clay Bennett jokes/insults never get old...

January 10, 2013 at 9:05 a.m.
Easy123 said...

degage,

"Nooga, you mean like the 14% atheist getting what they want and screw the 86% christians?"

What is it the "atheists" are "wanting" exactly? Wait! I know! Constitutionality!

I guess only the 2nd Amendment matters to Conservatives...

January 10, 2013 at 9:07 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Thank God for the fillibuster. The last thing we need is to make it more efficient for those idiots in Congress to skrew up this country.

January 10, 2013 at 9:11 a.m.
Easy123 said...

U.S. Congress: They never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

January 10, 2013 at 9:12 a.m.
MickeyRat said...

Maximus Padus,

You don't understand today's cartoon at all and understand Backwaters post less so.

Proof that you, like JonRoss, don't have to be able to tell the difference between your a$$ and a hole in the ground to spout bullsh!t and as pass it off as truth...or something.

January 10, 2013 at 9:35 a.m.
Rebus said...

The fillibuster cuts both ways. Dems should be reminded that the worm will turn. It always does.

January 10, 2013 at 9:36 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

A LITTLE REALITY CHECK

The reforms (which is to say, an attempt to return to a closer Constitutional definition of filibuster) DO NOT AFFECT SUPREME COURT NOMINATIONS.

BTW, my use of the words 'hypothetical,' and 'theoretical,' were meant to be sarcastic. Corker and Landrieu actually benefitted personally from their use of the filibuster. And there are plenty more examples out there that are not that hard to find. You could look it up.

Republicans have become reactionaries. Whatever Obama proposes, republicans react negatively. Even when he wants the same thing they want.

The filibuster is just one more club with which to hammer the President, regardless of the issue. The Farm Bill, Veterans job bills, it doesn't matter. Their problem is, while their actions do not hurt this President, they often hurt America.

And they seem okay with that.

January 10, 2013 at 9:42 a.m.
Maximus said...

Easy do you have a job? I'm charging out the door to go make some money. It must be nice to be the K.O.C.D....King Of Clays Doodles! And oh yes, keep on believin in global warming, climate change, give polar bears a chance, hope and change for the salamanders, or whatever they are branding AlGores money maker now a days. Easy you are definitely Easy...a very predictable, easy mark for the loser liberals. I guess you never got any dates in high school and are now taking it out on the winners. IMMEDIATELY SHOW PROOF THAT YOU HAD ONE DATE WITH ONE HOT GIRL OR MAYBE WITH YOU MAN IN HIGH SCHOOL. SHOW PROOF! VERIFY! GIVE THE LOGICAL ONLINE 10 YEARS IN THE MAKING LAW DEGREE PROOF! PROVE IT NOW O KING OF CLAYS DOODLES! UPS is no competitor to FedX when it comes to next day delivery. UPS is also an evil private sector corporation whose brown trucks pollute the enviro contributing to the global warming party. I like the brown trucks though, they remind me of the excrement that EAsy is full of!

January 10, 2013 at 9:56 a.m.
Maximus said...

M.Rat...no I understand Clay's doodle perfectly. Boring. It is much more fun to go after the looney libs. Cheers! Clay in a hoody with aviators...UNIBOMBER.........i hear that Clay lives with his Mom and still has his Star Wars and Obama posters on the wall!

January 10, 2013 at 9:59 a.m.
patriot1 said...

Rebus is correct, the worm turns. The filibuster only worked for the democrats for a little while when Robert Byrd, et al, used it to try and hold up Civil Rights legislation.

January 10, 2013 at 10:21 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Maximusty,

"Easy do you have a job?

Indeed."

"I'm charging out the door to go make some money."

Keep telling yourself that.

"It must be nice to be the K.O.C.D....King Of Clays Doodles!"

I wouldn't know.

"And oh yes, keep on believin in global warming, climate change, give polar bears a chance, hope and change for the salamanders, or whatever they are branding AlGores money maker now a days."

I'll keep believing the facts.

"Easy you are definitely Easy...a very predictable, easy mark for the loser liberals."

No, you are though. You spout the same misinformation and lies that every other person on this site with the same political leanings as you. You folks actually have a name. You're called WingNuts. I just call you out on all your B.S.

"I guess you never got any dates in high school and are now taking it out on the winners."

Does your mom count?

"IMMEDIATELY SHOW PROOF THAT YOU HAD ONE DATE WITH ONE HOT GIRL OR MAYBE WITH YOU MAN IN HIGH SCHOOL."

I will after you show proof of your Vanderbilt degree, beach house, classic cars, new AR-15...the list goes on.

"SHOW PROOF! VERIFY! GIVE THE LOGICAL ONLINE 10 YEARS IN THE MAKING LAW DEGREE PROOF! PROVE IT NOW O KING OF CLAYS DOODLES!"

I can't give proof of a law degree that I never claimed to and do not have.

"UPS is no competitor to FedX when it comes to next day delivery."

You're moving the goalposts.

"UPS is also an evil private sector corporation whose brown trucks pollute the enviro contributing to the global warming party."

Talking out of your ass again.

"I like the brown trucks though, they remind me of the excrement that EAsy is full of!'

The only one full of sh!t in this dialogue is you.

Would you like to keep going?

January 10, 2013 at 10:33 a.m.
Rebus said...

Don't ruffle easywiki. He's preparing to be a para-legal.

January 10, 2013 at 10:43 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Rebus_Troll,

No, I'm not.

January 10, 2013 at 10:44 a.m.
jesse said...

Hey Rebus,

Easy is in training for the "Diplomatic Corp."

Gonna be the Ambassador to N. Korea!!

January 10, 2013 at 11 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Jesse_Troll,

"Easy is in training for the "Diplomatic Corp.""

Nope.

"Gonna be the Ambassador to N. Korea!!"

Wrong again.

Keep trying.

January 10, 2013 at 11:11 a.m.
Rebus said...

jesse: He would probably defect and stay. His ilk.

January 10, 2013 at 12:12 p.m.
Rebus said...

Bill Clinton elected Father of the year!!! Now that's a hoot. His daughter is only 32 yrs. of age. Way to go, Willy. You were a great role model for her. Goodgawdamighty.

January 10, 2013 at 12:15 p.m.
Rebus said...

Never been a member of NRA. May give it a go.

January 10, 2013 at 12:18 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Rebus_Troll,

"jesse: He would probably defect and stay. His ilk."

Do you ever talk about reality? You know, things that are true and not stories made up in your own head?

"His daughter is only 32 yrs. of age."

Why should that matter? He's still her father.

"You were a great role model for her. Goodgawdamighty."

Pretty solid role model as of late.

"In a press release highlighting Clinton's philanthropy through the Clinton Foundation and the Clinton Global Initiative -- and as the U.N. Special Envoy for Haiti -- National Father’s Day Committee chairman Dan Orwig commended the politician and philanthropist for his "profound generosity, leadership and tireless dedication to both his public office and many philanthropic organizations."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/10/bill-clinton-father-of-the-year_n_2447453.html

January 10, 2013 at 12:30 p.m.
fairmon said...

When Bill Clinton was ask about Hilary's head his reply was "she ain't no Monica".

January 10, 2013 at 4:33 p.m.
jesse said...

Why Easy you would be perfect for the job!After two weeks of tellum what morons,trolls ,idiots and how they all talk out their ass they would go bat sh!t crazy ,have a bad case of apoplexy and die of unmitigated pissed off!

You could come home and tell Barry "well i took care of that prob,what else ya got for me!!"

January 10, 2013 at 4:40 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Jesse said: “I could go for going back to the way it was when ,IF you filibustered you had to be up on the podium ORATING !”

I agree with what you say here, Jesse. But I suspect that many of these representatives may not be capable of conducting an old fashion “talking kind” of filibuster. Unfortunately, the reality is that most of lawmakers are nothing more than "middlemen" who only stamp and approve “ready made” legislation that was created and issued by corporate lobbyists and/or corporate funded organizations like ALEC. Indeed, I doubt the average lawmaker has even fully read or understands the legislation they’re proposing, which makes it almost impossible for them to stand up and conduct an old fashion “talking kind” of filibuster.

January 10, 2013 at 4:42 p.m.
Easy123 said...

jesse_troll,

If you say something moronic, I'll call you a moron. If you do something trollish, I'll call you a troll. If you say something idiotic, I'll call you can idiot. If you start talking out of your ass, I'll tell you.

Are you mad, bro? Or maybe just fragile?

January 10, 2013 at 4:45 p.m.
jesse said...

I don't get mad at ya easy,your just fun to watch when your trigger gets tripped!!actually your trigger STAYS tripped and as you get older it's gonna have your b/p right out the roof!

January 10, 2013 at 5:07 p.m.
Easy123 said...

jesse,

My trigger doesn't get tripped nor does it stay tripped. You're confusing honesty for anger or you're projecting, I'm not sure which one. I don't even rant so I'm not sure how you could surmise that my "trigger" is flipped. Refer to joneses or Maximus if you're looking for a tripped trigger.

January 10, 2013 at 5:10 p.m.
Rebus said...

^^^^wow not one moron, idiot, conjecture, wanna try again......amazing.

January 10, 2013 at 6:07 p.m.
patriot1 said...

You're right mtnlaurel, you have to pass it to find out what's in it

January 10, 2013 at 6:17 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Rebus_Troll,

You must not have gotten my last memo.

January 10, 2013 at 6:18 p.m.
GratefulDawg said...

"But I suspect that many of these representatives may not be capable of conducting an old fashion "talking kind" of filibuster. --mountainlaurel"

Well, to be fair, many of them have not yet been told by the boys on K Street what they believe. Anyone looking for a Jefferson Smith type stand on the floor of the U.S. Senate will need to go to Netflix. C-Span is showing re-runs again...and again, and again.

January 10, 2013 at 6:28 p.m.
dude_abides said...

fairmon said... When Bill Clinton was ask(sic) about Hilary's(sic) head his reply was "she ain't no Monica".

Good one harp! I see what you did there. When someone asks about Hillary's head injury and blood clot, you posit that her husband mistakenly thinks that he's being asked about her ability to perform fellatio on his penis! Such irreverence, you old dog, you. Can we, oh please, expect more? Perhaps a little Sandy Hook humor? Voulez vous schadenfreude, senor?

January 10, 2013 at 7:24 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Patriot1 said: "You're right mtnlaurel, you have to pass it to find out what's in it."

My favorite is the incident involving Florida’s Republican Rep. Rachel Burgin.

She introduced a bill calling on the federal government to reduce taxes for corporations (HM 685). I guess she had received the bill from the corporate-funded ALEC organization, which is a group founded by the billionaire Koch brothers and funded by a number of corporations.

Anyway, all of these ALEC model bills contain a boilerplate paragraph, describing ALEC’s adherence to free market principles and limited government etc. Usually, when politicians introduce an ALEC bill they remove this particular paragraph - for obvious reasons. But Florida’s Representative forgot to do this and introduce the bill “as is” so to speak.

As some point, I guess Florida's Rep. Burgin realized what she hand done. The following day she quickly removed the bill. Approximately, 24-hours later she then re-introduced it with a new bill number (HM 717), but without the "ALEC" problematic paragraph.

http://www.commonblog.com/2012/01/31/alec-exposed-for-24-hours/

January 10, 2013 at 8:02 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Only 40 comments. This has got to be an all-time low for a Claytoon. Obviously the filibuster is not exactly a hot-button issue, like guns, gays, or God. Personally I'm not exactly passionate about it one way or the other. It's used way too often, though, and it has definitely contributed to the gridlock. It seems that whatever party is in the minority is all for it and whatever party is in the majority is against it. I agree with mountainlaurel and jesse - if they're going to keep it, I think they ought to at least have to do something to earn the right to stall the proceedings, like actually standing at the podium, orating. If they were required to do that, it most likely would not be used nearly as much.

January 10, 2013 at 8:06 p.m.
raygunz said...

dude_abides,Re.post to "fair-harp" January 10, 2013 at 7:24 p.m. Good one man! His ilk ain't got nothin' else! Sore losers.

January 10, 2013 at 8:10 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

"...global warming is a liberal money making hoax." - MaxiMouse

98% of all climate scientists world-wide no longer debate whether anthropogenic global warming is taking place; there has been a consensus among them for a long time. The only thing they debate among themselves now is how soon we will reach the point of no return and how devastating the consequences of our failure to act will be.

There are no actual climate scientists calling global warming a "hoax." The only ones doing that are the pseudo-scientists and the shills who are being paid by the corporations to lie for them and the wing-nut pundits who refuse to acknowledge the findings of science or to face reality. If you choose to put your stupidity on display for all to see, believing the shills and denying the findings of the actual scientists who have studied global warming for years, then so be it. But then, you have already displayed not only your stupidity bur your arrogance and obtuseness a hundred times over in so many of your other posts.

January 10, 2013 at 8:24 p.m.
GratefulDawg said...

"There are no actual climate scientists calling global warming a "hoax." --Rickaroo"

Pfft! Yeah, if you believe in the existence of "climate scientists." Science is a scam perpetuated by ivory tower elitists. Stuff just happens. The tide comes in and the tide goes out. Sun comes up, sun goes down. If Bill O'Reilly, in his infinite wisdom, cannot wrap his head around it what chance does some egghead from MIT or Cal Tech have of making sense of it all?

January 10, 2013 at 9:17 p.m.
fairmon said...

mountainlaurel said... Jesse said: “I could go for going back to the way it was when ,IF you filibustered you had to be up on the podium ORATING !”

I agree with what you say here, Jesse. But I suspect that many of these representatives may not be capable of conducting an old fashion “talking kind” of filibuster. Unfortunately, the reality is that most of lawmakers are nothing more than "middlemen" who only stamp and approve “ready made” legislation that was created and issued by corporate lobbyists and/or corporate funded organizations like ALEC. Indeed, I doubt the average lawmaker has even fully read or understands the legislation they’re proposing, which makes it almost impossible for them to stand up and conduct an old fashion “talking kind” of filibuster.

ML...Your malice may be misplaced since filibustering is normally to impede or prevent a bill from progressing. Are you a union member or an AARP member? They lobby for their members. Do you think we need to get rid of all those corporations since they are undermining our legislatures and keep the legislatures from doing our work? Big Pharma spent $75 million supporting the AHCA, insurers spent a similar amount and congress had to pass it to know what was in it....should they not have accepted the help?

January 11, 2013 at 1:28 a.m.
JerryFrey said...

This is reality:

http://napoleonlive.info/did-you-know/fiscal-cliff-chronology/

and this:

http://napoleonlive.info/politics/obama-affect-on-america/

Changing the filibuster won't change the paramount condition of serving in Congress - get re-elected at all costs.

January 11, 2013 at 1:34 a.m.
fairmon said...

What do you think would happen if the federal government were to resturcture like some companies have done to stay in business. The problem is governments can't accept that some departments and some functions are not essential.

It is time to eliminate social security and medicare for those age 50 and under. There are better guaranteed income insured investments that were not available when social security was implimented. Return to them any contributions to date and require an employer matched savings of 6% per year in addition to any 401K or other employer sponsored programs. Anyone with the sense of a goose would jump at such an opportunity.

January 11, 2013 at 8:38 a.m.
joneses said...

Why do liberals continue to blame Bush for our economic woes when the facts are obvious? Fact: Bush inherited a recession from Clinton as the stock markets started falling substantially the last year of Clinton's presidency. Fact: 9-11 was an attack on our economy. Fact: A lot of financial institutions were holding toxic assets generated by the sub prime mortgages that the Democrats insisted upon. Fact: Bush warned Congress twice that there was trouble with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and the Democrats blocked bills which would rein them in. Barney Frank said that we were not headed for a economic crises. Fact: The housing market crash was the first domino to fall and triggered the collapse. So, as you can see everything points to the Democrats yet they continue to blame Bush for our economic problems.

It is my guess, "Its Bush's fault" is all they have and the liberal's response to the economic collapse is right out of Saul Alinsky's rules for radicals. They lie and lie and lie and pretty soon they actually believe it and even persuade weak minded people to join in on their lies. And the funny thing is they think they are so intellectually enlightened they know what is best for all of us. another fine example of the lies the liberals live.

January 11, 2013 at 8:53 a.m.
Rebus said...

The REAL War on Women. Seems to me that someone needs to give the Anointed One a binder full of women. Hypocritical jerk.

January 11, 2013 at 9:15 a.m.
jesse said...
January 11, 2013 at 9:29 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

Fairmon...someone would have to have the sense of a goose to think that what you propose would be any kind of "opportunity." First off, by eliminating SS for those age 50 and under you would in effect be killing it for the upper ages as well, because they would need what the younger workers pay into it to derive their payouts. If the younger people stop having that portion of their paychecks funneled into SS but opt to invest it into private investments instead, the surplus that presently exists in SS would be drained in no time, leaving those older folks with no source of funds to pay them for their remaining years. In addition, if the government returns the funds thus far paid-in to those who are opting out, as you suggest, that would even further and more quickly drain the coffer for those who still depend on SS for their income.

Second, while there are definitely more opportunities and avenues of investments to be made today than there were when SS was first implemented, there still are no "guaranteed" income-insured investments. Individual investments are still a huge risk, even for the savvy investor - and the vast majority of the public is not shrewd enough to know how best to invest their money. Furthermore, if left up to the individual, most people would not have the due diligence, wisdom, and perseverance to start investing at an early enough age to accumulate sufficient wealth to retire on. Even if someone starts investing early, the first time they hit upon hard times, most people would draw from their savings to see them through the rough patches and then they would have to start all over again. It's only human nature.

The reason that SS has been such a success is that it took all of the risk factors out of the equation and guaranteed that retired folks would have a means of income throughout their entire life. Yes, there is more money to be made sometimes by investing privately, but one has to be both shrewd and lucky to make such sound investments. Not only that but look how many people lost all of their private investments in the Recession of '08. And most of the ones who want to phase out and abolish SS are the same ones who don't want any kind of banking regulations that would prevent the same sort of debacle from happening again.

Social Security has worked swimmingly for decades and can continue to do so with just a little tweaking. It does not need a major overhaul and it especially does not need dismantling. You have to have the sense of a goose to propose something as half-baked and lame as you just proposed.

January 11, 2013 at 10:27 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

Continued...

As for Medicare, not only do we NOT need to dismantle it but instead go to a basic Medicare-for-all plan. We would spend far less administratively than the private insurance companies spend, it would remove from employers the onus of having to provide health care for their employees, it would be more uniform in nature and thus eliminate much of the red tape, it would provide primary care for everybody and completely eliminate the billions of dollars of losses that hospitals incur each year when they treat the uninsured in the ERs, and it would mean, finally, true health care for ALL. Our health care needs to be taken completely out of the private sector. Some things - especially those things relative to the overall health and well-being of our nation - should not be sold like widgets on the free market, where private profit is the driving force.

January 11, 2013 at 10:28 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Fairmon says: “Your malice may be misplaced since filibustering is normally to impede or prevent a bill from progressing.”

My malice? I believe you’re getting a little carried away with your slant on things, “Fairmon.”

Since when did it become a display of malice to question how the filibuster is currently being used in the Senate? At one time, the filibuster was an important tool that gave the minority a voice in the Senate, but now an obstructionist minority is using it to block almost all bills, all solutions, and all nominations. Indeed, when it comes to acts of malice against one’s country I doubt that any citizen could compete with the Senate Republicans. In the past four years, they have used the filibuster over 380 times in an effort to block just about everything – jobs, judges, disaster relief, health care, the Dream Act. At times, they’ve even filibustered *their own bills."

January 11, 2013 at 10:39 a.m.
Maximus said...

Since, like a lot of socialists, Clay The Doodler can't work two days in a row and his bottle has run out of steam, I thought I'd make a very, as usual, astute comment......Wow, did we ever dodge a bullit when George W. Bush kicked AlJazeera Gores ass in the 2000 election. As you may recall, what made the 2000 Bush victory soooo sweet was the fun fact that Gore did not carry his home state of Tennessee. Actually, losing Tennessee is what lost the election for Gore, the fatty enviro huckster. Tennessee Red State Pride Represent!!! It has been said that ones true character is revealed over time. That has certainly been the case with Gore. Selling his loser lefty network with no viewers to the Bin Laden loving,Petro Gihadists, stay classy Al! I can't wait to see how Barry Citera Barrack Hussein Obama "evolves" after the next four years of implementing his make everything fair, utopian, we just want to help you, big sloppy government program. Obama is young and will have a long journey as his true character is revealed. I would bet on Barry going in the Jay Z direction with a lot of hos and crack involved. As for Michelle, Barry will kick that amazon woman to the curb and yes, wait for it, gitz hisself a white girl! Very funny! Now you liberals have to access what is left of your sense of humor. Oh, I forgot, libs only laugh when Republicans are abused. Oh well, snap!

January 11, 2013 at 11:03 a.m.
Maximus said...

Now Easy123, this does not mean you can start your cyber bullying again. I know you are waiting to pounce as you have little else to do at the quick stop.

January 11, 2013 at 11:07 a.m.
Rebus said...

Yeah, I could see the Community Organizer unloading the big gal.

January 11, 2013 at 11:13 a.m.
Rebus said...

No one enjoys this camera time as much as Plugs Biden. Man in heaven with this much attention.

January 11, 2013 at 11:24 a.m.
Maximus said...

Rickaroo, medicare for all, gross. Please move to Canada or the U.K. immediately and get yourself on the waiting list for a brain transplant. Private sector, employer based healthcare, supported by the private sector, for profit health insurance industry, is a major motivator and driver for gaining useful employment in the United States. The utopian, rationed, healthcare for all will further expand our already disgraceful welfare state, (1 in 4 children in the U.S. on food stamps). The great American work ethic will continue to erode if the so-called free medicare for all system is implemented. As Crazy Cali Nancy Pelosi said..."No longer will our artists and others have to work at a soul crushing job in order to have healthcare." Also, no matter what UN or WORLD HEALTHCARE stat you show me, the for profit, American healthcare system has driven more new drug and med device discovery and development and more innovation over the past 60 years than any other system in the world. When was the last time you heard of a medical breakthrough from Cuba, China, Venezuela, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, Denmark, Sweden (these two have mostly white folks and small populations so med stats from these two mean nothing), Russia....even the U.K.? Without the profit motive that currently exists in the U.S. healthcare industry your healthcare would suffer. Ask Magic Johnson what he thinks about the U.S. for profit, private sector pharma industry. The for profit, private sector, American pharma industry, kicked AIDS ass. Don't start with me about the NIH and Government Funding being responsible for med device and pharma innovation. That is a lie. No, check the Wall Street Journal and review the pharma, health insurance, med device and the countless other healthcare related stocks. The risk reward experimentation/innovation, driven by the profit motive so unique to our free market, along with the investment of everyday Aemricans in the stock market is what drives our healthcare system and what makes the U.S. healthcare system the envy of the world. And finally, the uninsured at the ER story is sooooo tired and as usual, is motviated by the desire to destroy a great healthcare system for the majority of working Americans in order to accomodate a minority of patients that CAN gain access to healthcare at any federal or state public health facility.

January 11, 2013 at 11:38 a.m.
mtngrl said...

Max, it seems you need to learn the meaning of the term "astute"

January 11, 2013 at 11:46 a.m.
mtngrl said...

And how many of Mitt's home states did he win again?

January 11, 2013 at 11:47 a.m.
Maximus said...

mtngrl Mitt's character as a man, husband, father, successful business man and class act politician, kicks Al Jazeera Gore's and his drunk ex wife Tipper's ass all over Hamilton County and the world. Didn't AlGore's son set a land speed record driving a Toyo Prius while high on drugs a few years ago? Trashy. Mtngrl you should call Al and see if he wants a massage!

January 11, 2013 at 11:56 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

You libs may want to do something about this insanity.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Assault-Weapon-Cavemans-AR15-Assault-Rock-/160953713972?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item257996c534

Selling assault weapons on Ebay?

January 11, 2013 at 1:47 p.m.
ibshame said...

"Maximus said: Wow, did we ever dodge a bullit when George W. Bush kicked AlJazeera Gores ass in the 2000 election.

Strange how you consider a marginal vote in the Electoral College of 3 votes and 547 popular votes in the state of Florida as having "Kicked Ass." Gore's actual popular vote count was over 500,000 more votes than Bush.
As for dodging a bullet- Unfortunately the soldiers who were sent to Iraq and never able to return home alive didn't get to dodge the bullets that came their way because of Bush.

As you may recall, what made the 2000 Bush victory soooo sweet was the fun fact that Gore did not carry his home state of Tennessee. Actually, losing Tennessee is what lost the election for Gore, the fatty enviro huckster. Tennessee Red State Pride Represent!!!

Much to Tennessee's disgrace as well as the ending disaster Bush left the country with when he finally did check out. Your whole post is just another example of why the South is looked upon as being backwards and full of ignorant, illiterate, jerks.

Selling his loser lefty network with no viewers to the Bin Laden loving,Petro Gihadists, stay classy Al! ....Mitt's character as a man, husband, father, successful business man and class act politician, kicks Al Jazeera Gore's and his drunk ex wife Tipper's ass all over Hamilton County and the world.

Yeah that Mitt Romney is a real class act to follow. Al Gore is just following the playbook Romney wrote when he sold and outsourced plants and jobs to China. You didn't fault old Mittens for making a profit, instead you admire him. What's sauce for the Goose is good for the Gander.

January 11, 2013 at 1:58 p.m.
mtngrl said...

"...all over Hamilton County and the world."

Hamilton county was dumb enough to re-elect Chucky so that makes sense they would go for Mittens but the world?? You are delusional. Remember that "Mitt the Twit" world tour?

January 11, 2013 at 2:17 p.m.
Rebus said...

Libshame: So you would characterize the other 29 states that Bush carried as "backward, and full of ignorant, illiterate, jerks? You guys are good at name calling. And BTW, Romney is not in Gore's league when it comes to hypocrisy.

January 11, 2013 at 4:52 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

mtngrl said... "Hamilton county was dumb enough to re-elect Chucky...*

Chucky lost Hamilton County. Wasn't it Anderson County that got him reelected?

January 11, 2013 at 5:05 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Maximusty,

"Now Easy123, this does not mean you can start your cyber bullying again."

Don't be scared, sweetheart. Your paranoia has me tickled.

January 11, 2013 at 5:09 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Rebus_Jack_Troll,

"You guys are good at name calling."

You have no problem calling names either, Whiner-in-Chief. But if you'll read ibshame's post again, you will see that ibshame did not do any name calling. ibshame was talking about non-Southerners' view of the South, not his/her own view.

January 11, 2013 at 5:14 p.m.
Maximus said...

ibshame....leave Tennessee now. Bush and our brave warriors won the Iraq war. We now have a prez nominating a guy to be head of the CIA that stated Islam is a thing of beauty and jihad is a peaceful word. Oh yea, he also said that the war on terror does not exist. I know, i know....you love fatty hypocrite Gore and more than likely Slick "Loves The Interns" Willie Clinton. &^%$

January 11, 2013 at 5:22 p.m.
Maximus said...

Ibshame...I forgot, Jeff Immelt, Obama's suck buddy CEO at GE has outsourced more jobs than God. The most disgusting thing about AlGore is that he is a liar. No wonder Tipper divorced the prick. Again, it will be interesting to watch as Obama's true character is revealed over the next 20 years.

January 11, 2013 at 5:27 p.m.
fairmon said...

mountainlaurel said....

they have used the filibuster over 380 times in an effort to block just about everything – jobs, judges, disaster relief, health care, the Dream Act. At times, they’ve even filibustered *their own bills."

Not everyone think bl;ocking those things was bad. The process works, with enough votes it can be stopped.

January 11, 2013 at 5:34 p.m.
fairmon said...

Rickaroo said...

Second, while there are definitely more opportunities and avenues of investments to be made today than there were when SS was first implemented, there still are no "guaranteed" income-insured investments. Individual investments are still a huge risk, even for the savvy investor - and the vast majority of the public is not shrewd enough to know how best to invest their money. Furthermore, if left up to the individual, most people would not have the due diligence, wisdom, and perseverance to start investing at an early enough age to accumulate sufficient wealth to retire on. Even if someone starts investing early, the first time they hit upon hard times, most people would draw from their savings to see them through the rough patches and then they would have to start all over again. It's only human nature.

The government knows there are insured and guaranteed investments that will pay handsomely for the rest of your life. They also know they could regulate and direct to the right investments and not allow withdrawals until an eligible age. Social security is a dinosaur that should become extinct. It is a good and logical thing to do but I can understand why people so dependent on the government are afraid to venture too far from the tit.

January 11, 2013 at 5:42 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Maximus is always funny until he tries to be, then he's just Pennsylvania stupid.

January 11, 2013 at 6:15 p.m.
Rebus said...

EASYtroll, If I need you, I'll call. Stick to your online Torts class, loser.

January 11, 2013 at 6:15 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Rebus_Troll_Dennis,

I don't meet the definition of troll. See your hypocrisy? "loser"... You get worse and worse at this.

Stick to your adult Depends, Cialis, Ensure and prunes, coffin dodger. You aren't good at this "logic" thing.

Don't worry, Rebus_Jack_Troll, I'll always be here to point out your bullsh!t. :-)

January 11, 2013 at 6:40 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

"The government knows there are insured and guaranteed investments that will pay handsomely for the rest of your life." - fairmon

Oh really? Why are they keeping it such a secret? Are they just waiting for the right time to spring it on us? Are they gonna one day say, "Hey, listen up, everybody...we know of some great private investments that are "guaranteed" to never go south on you and they will pay handsomely for the rest of your life." That's really funny. If there were really such a thing, the Repubs would be talking them up now, so as to better make their case for dismantling social security. There are some pretty idiotic things to say....and then there's some REALLY idiotic things to say. You take first prize.

January 11, 2013 at 6:43 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Everybody going to see Zero Dark Thirty? I plan on being there! If I can just wince my way past the embarrassment of the 'Bush Torture' scenes, I will thrill to the triumphant 'Obama Gets His Man' ending. I am buoyant with patriotic fervor! The President is the wind beneath all our wings, don't you agree? I think I will wear my flag pin and introduce myself to everyone as Jack_Dennis. I will try to perfect that 'disability check limp,' and sit combing the popcorn out of my lazy man's beard.

January 11, 2013 at 6:46 p.m.
Rebus said...

dude and easy: perhaps one and the same.....bring it tools. you guys got nothing but name calling and attempts at sophomoric humor. What a pair of turds. Couple of public trough feeders, I'd guess. (or is it one feeder?) whatever, you 2 losers are entertaining, though.

January 11, 2013 at 7:16 p.m.
GratefulDawg said...

Sounds like a plan dude_abides. Me, I'm going down to the World of Wheels show. I'm going to yell at Fonzie for being a high school dropout, renter, womanizer, and anti-establishment bad influence. It's my civic duty as a good red-state residin' American.

January 11, 2013 at 8:01 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Rebus_Jack_Troll,

"Rebus and Jack_Dennis: one and the same.....bring it tool. you got nothing but name calling and attempts at sophomoric humor. What a unified pair of turds. Public trough feeder, I'd guess. (it is one feeder) whatever, you loser(s) are entertaining, though."

I fixed it for you. You literally just described yourself and your forgotten alter ego in under 100 words. It's called psychological projection. You should Google it. It might give you some insight into your delicate psyche.

Troll on, Rebus_Jack_Troll_Dennis

January 11, 2013 at 8:49 p.m.
alprova said...

Maximus wrote: "Bush and our brave warriors won the Iraq war."

Well now...If you truly believe that we "won the Iraq war," then I urge you to hop a plane to Baghdad, disembark and announce yourself as an American.

See how long you live.

January 11, 2013 at 9:25 p.m.
Rebus said...

easyteenagetroll: "projection"...glad to see you've revived that one, little loser. My psyche is doing fine you barely post pubescent piss ant. Come back with a big boy post, tiny tool. No night classes at the YMCA law school?

January 11, 2013 at 9:33 p.m.
fairmon said...

rickaroo posted...

Oh really? Why are they keeping it such a secret? Are they just waiting for the right time to spring it on us? Are they gonna one day say, "Hey, listen up, everybody...we know of some great private investments that are "guaranteed" to never go south on you and they will pay handsomely for the rest of your life." That's really funny. If there were really such a thing, the Repubs would be talking them up now, so as to better make their case for dismantling social security. There are some pretty idiotic things to say....and then there's some REALLY idiotic things to say. You take first prize.

Most republicans aren't wanting to replace social security. You obviously don't do much investing other than mutual funds which are risky. You know any licensed financial advisers? If you do and want to know what investments will do that you can. I am guessing, like most government dependent people, you would still want to cling to a government hand. An insured annuity paying 6% or more on the principle which never goes down but would increase with the market is available. Allowing them to compound 40 years would beat social security. You are right in that it would have to be mandatory and untouchable, most people don't have the self discipline to save or to not squander it if they have access.

Why not give people an option? Very few would but the smart ones would do it and do better than those that don't.

January 11, 2013 at 9:40 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Rebus_Philbin... why are you attacking me? I didn't say anything about you! I only referenced that pajama-clad-standing-at-the-mailbox-every-weekday Jack_Dennis. You act as though I said something to you personally. It would be beyond the pale if you were to accuse someone of being duplicitous, literally, on this page, if you, in fact, were doing that exact thing. I would be absolutely thrilled to find that you actually understood how cheap it is to do that. Cheap and weak. You have a knack for making me feel superior to you. Granted, that's like feeling superior to a cockroach, but still, stop it, you rabid llama.

January 11, 2013 at 9:41 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Rebus_Jack_Troll,

...you guys got nothing but name calling and attempts at sophomoric humor.

Examples A-D:

"little loser."

"you barely post pubescent piss ant."

"tiny tool."

"No night classes at the YMCA law school?"

See what I mean now, Grandfather Hypocrite? This is all you have. Projection, my dear hypocritical troll!

Would you like to keep proving my point? Come on, coffin dodger! You can't help but hang yourself with every post.

January 11, 2013 at 9:41 p.m.
Rebus said...

Hang myself? Get real, sonny. You offer nothing here but invectives. In a weird way, I hope you DO finish that chicken-shiz law school, because you will have ZERO chance of passing the bar. Zero. You're pitiful, Easytroll. Plain pitiful. But hey, I guess pitiful is better than being a natural a-hole, like your alter ego, Dudely_. Now there's a true piece of guano.

January 11, 2013 at 10:22 p.m.
alprova said...

Careful Jack or you'll be wiping the spit you emit while you type off of your monitor.

January 11, 2013 at 10:55 p.m.
Rebus said...

ALPO: That makes no sense, but glad you're interested. And my, what a short post.

January 11, 2013 at 11:02 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Rebus_Jack_Troll,

You offer nothing here but invectives.

Example A:

"In a weird way, I hope you DO finish that chicken-shiz law school, because you will have ZERO chance of passing the bar. Zero. You're pitiful, Easytroll. Plain pitiful. But hey, I guess pitiful is better than being a natural a-hole, like your alter ego, Dudely_. Now there's a true piece of guano."

See what I mean now, Grandfather Hypocrite? This is all you have. Projection, my dear hypocritical troll!

Would you like to keep proving my point? Come on, coffin dodger! You can't help but hang yourself with every post. You can't help but let your ignorance, hypocrisy, and trollish tendencies show.

You truly offer nothing here. You are the one full of invectives and, to quote you, "attempts at sophomoric humor". You're the only one here with an alter-ego and it kills you that you weren't able to keep your true identity hidden. It's the epitome of psychological projection and hypocrisy. Pitiful doesn't even begin to explain the moronic enigma that is Rebus_Jack_Dennis.

Maybe you're jealous or maybe you're just tired of being called out day after day. It doesn't really matter. You're a troll and you always will be. I will continue to point out your hypocrisy and ignorance as long as you continue to troll here. You have no chance, coffin dodger! You'll always be the lowly geriatric whiner/troll that you've always been. Nothing more, nothing less. Dude_abides said it best, one truly cannot help feeling superior to you. You make it so easy with every hypocritical, ignorant post.

Get used to me Rebus_Troll! I'm here for the long haul! Your patent ignorance and stunted attempts at wit and humor cannot escape my ridicule.

January 11, 2013 at 11:03 p.m.
Rebus said...

I'm quite used to you, Bunkie. And would you please get over the use of the work "projection"? You bore me with that. You seem to thrive on redundancy...like "coffin dodger" (cute). Yeah, Bunkie, I welcome your adolescent banter. It speaks volumes about the real Easy. I do, however, feel sorry for the other posters on here that have to endure your boring rejoinders. Keep at it son. And keep studying. You're obviously a slow learner. Night-night, loser.

January 11, 2013 at 11:13 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Rebus_Troll,

You'll never be used to me, Jack. That's why you can't help but address me. I'll stop using the word projection when you stop projecting. It only "bores" you because you know it's true. You've yet to realize that words have definitions and you abd the things you do meet the definition of certain words. Your ignorance bores me.

Redundancy? Pot meet kettle. How many more times could attempt a joke about online and/or community /YMCA college? How about saying "bunkie" or "punk" or "loser"?

The adolescent banter is yours. I just ridicule you for it. It's amazing that you don't even realize how big of a hypocrite you are.

Rejoinders? That's what we all do here. Welcome to the TFP comments section!

Slow learner? That describes you in full. You seem to be incapable of even the slightest bit of realization.

I'll be here when those old bones stumble out of bed and hobble over to you computer to get exposed by myself and ignored by others. Hurry back!

January 11, 2013 at 11:29 p.m.
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