published Wednesday, January 16th, 2013

For sane gun-control rules

President Obama is expected this week, possibly today, to make good on his promise to pursue saner gun-control policy in the wake of the Sandy Hook massacre of 20 young school children and six educators. Reports suggest he will unveil the most comprehensive set of new gun-control proposals in decades. This long-awaited initiative merits vigorous support.

Unfortunately, Obama's attempt to seize this rare moment of opportunity for building a safer society will necessarily trigger a political battle with one of the strongest, most brazen political lobbies in Washington. In this case, it's a battle worth having, precisely because the issue of sensible gun control has become so needlessly polarized.

The NRA and its supporters wrongly contend, or pretend, that more sensible gun rules requiring a universal background check for gun purchases, and a usable, practical data bank to track criminal and mental health records, amounts to government over-reach. Such criticism is itself an over-reach, and that is the problem.

The proposed rule changes -- both those that would require congressional approval, and those that the president can implement by executive orders -- would be entirely sensible in their approach. They would do nothing to undermine 2nd Amendment rights as established by the conservative bloc of the U.S. Supreme in its pivotal 2010 ruling upholding a personal right to possess guns. That ruling explicitly upheld reasonable government rules on gun purchases and exclusions of gun-carry rights in sensitive places, such as schools, government offices and certain public venues.

The new rules would only make orderly and much-needed improvements in public safety through a reliable background check system for purchases of guns and ammunition, improved reporting requirements by gun vendors and state and local governments, and establishment of a comprehensive database to quickly link law enforcement agencies to criminals, weapons-related crimes and gun trafficking operations.

Obama's proposed reinstatement of the expired ban on assault rifles and high-capacity magazines is a practical proposal. Sportsmen, gun enthusiasts and homeowners have no real need for the sort of military-grade, rapid-fire capacity that deranged shooters obviously prefer for massacres in schools, theaters, shopping malls and places of worship. But while a new ban is important, it's not as important as a universal background check. Without it, an estimated 40 percent of gun purchases -- those between private sellers and buyers, mostly at public gun shows -- are made without background or mental health checks, thus creating the sewer of guns to criminals.

Equally important is building a better and more accessible database related to gun-records and related crimes. State governments, for example, are not now required to participate in the federal system for gun purchases, and many do not report their background check findings to federal agencies. More than two-thirds of the states fail to report most of their mental health checks, if they bother to check them at all. That must change.

Due to congressional restrictions on gun-related records and uncooperative state governments, current rules fall short in many other ways. Records of background checks, if they are reported by states, must be quickly disposed of, and not entered into a database. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives is not allowed to make an unannounced check of a gun-store owner's inventory and sales data more than once year -- a clause that easily boosts illegal gun-trafficking.

The ATF&E is also forbidden, thanks again to Congress, to keep records in its database that quickly link gun serial numbers to purchasers. Congressional mandates have also made falsification of gun-sales records a misdemeanor. They have muddled up the legal language of allowable gun-trade business without a dealer's license. They have restricted the bureau's ability to share gun sales records with local and state law enforcement agencies. They have prohibited sharing of anything but aggregate data to the public. They have prevented use of tracing data in some cases involving gun dealers licenses. They have barred the Centers for Disease Control from compiling and studying the number of gun-related wounds and deaths as a public health issue. They have barred proposals to require trigger locks, ammunition-related technology, and various crime tracing techniques.

And to further muddle sane gun-related policy, Congress has barred appointment of a chief administrator to the ATF&E for six years.

All this must change to prevent guns from getting into the hands of criminals and the mentally ill, and to improve public safety. Most Americans, polls show, now agree with the president's agenda for sane gun control. But they will have to visibly support this cause to bring it about.

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jesse said...

New gun laws don't bother me at all BUT if you think more laws will have any effect on criminals and crime then you are delusional and have not been paying attn.! A good start would be to enforce the laws on the books now and quit putting repeat violent offenders back on the street !

Have one of your reporters monitor Judge R.Sterns court for a month and you will get a good idea what a major portion of the prob.is!

January 16, 2013 at 4:21 a.m.
joneses said...

The proposed new gun laws are only a dog and pony show and it is pathetic hussein obama is using the Sandy Hook incident to pursue more of his liberal agenda. Today he is stooping to new lows by having himself surrounded by little children when he announces his violations of the second amendment. That is really pathetic and shows a lack of leadership from a fool who depends on guns for his own protection.

January 16, 2013 at 7:38 a.m.
conservative said...

From Comedy Central in New York:

"New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo is signing a tough and sweeping new gun control bill into law late Tuesday."

Really!

"The bill limits magazines to seven bullets "

Wow, that ought to stop the mentally ill! But wait, according to the Connecticut state police the Sandy Hook shooter had several 30 round clips and changed them frequently firing HUNDREDS of rounds. He changed them frequently when they were still half full, video game style! I wonder where he got that idea? He shot many of the children 3 times!

"and bans semi-automatic rifles and handguns that have a "military-style feature," such as a bayonet lug."

How draconian! I guess LOOKS really can kill! At least that will stop all of those who prefer to kill at close range with a bayonet ( that is a knife attached to a rife, for close range killing when you are out of bullets for you Liberals who don't have a clue) because that has happened sooo many times.

"People who already own such guns are grandfathered in but must register them with the state."

Awesome!, that is sure to stop the mentally ill and criminals from stealing them from family members, break ins etc.

Let's see if Biden and Owebama can top that. The criminals are rolling with laughter while the mentally ill and the Liberals don't have a clue.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/ny-gov-cuomo-prepares-sign-tough-gun-bill-214040530.html

January 16, 2013 at 7:43 a.m.
joneses said...

Conservative,

A headline read "White House to unveil gun proposals", when a more accurate headline would be "White House to unveil gun control proposals".

I find it amazing how stupid these liberals are by thinking that these criminals are going to register their guns. The most expensive gun on the black market is a gun that cannot be traced to anyone. Man these liberals including hussein obama are stupid.

And then there is the proposal if one does not report his/her gun stolen within 24 hours then the gun owner automatically becomes the criminal and will suffer penalties. Knowing this why would anyone report their guns stolen and risk going to jail and having to spend more than the guns are worth on an attorney? Man these liberals including hussein obama are stupid.

January 16, 2013 at 7:56 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Speaking of stupid, JonRoss and conservative are.

January 16, 2013 at 8:08 a.m.
joneses said...

The prescription drug companies lobbyist must sure be working hard. I remember when you liberals were rallying against the prescription drug companies. Where are you now? And you stupid liberals think it is a gun problem. It is amazing how hussein obama has convinced you it is a gun problem to keep your focus off the greedy drug companies. Again hussein obama is making you liberals look like fools.

Eric Harris age 17 (first on Zoloft then Luvox) and Dylan Klebold aged 18 (Columbine school shooting in Littleton, Colorado), killed 12 students and 1 teacher, and wounded 23 others, before killing themselves. Klebold's medical records have never been made available to the public.



Jeff Weise, age 16, had been prescribed 60 mg/day of Prozac (three times the average starting dose for adults!) when he shot his grandfather, his grandfather's girlfriend and many fellow students at Red Lake, Minnesota. He then shot himself. 10 dead, 12 wounded.



Cory Baadsgaard, age 16, Wahluke (Washington state) High School, was on Paxil (which caused him to have hallucinations) when he took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates hostage. He has no memory of the event.

Chris Fetters, age 13, killed his favorite aunt while taking Prozac.

Christopher Pittman, age 12, murdered both his grandparents while taking Zoloft.

Mathew Miller, age 13, hung himself in his bedroom closet after taking Zoloft for 6 days.



Kip Kinkel, age 15, (on Prozac and Ritalin) shot his parents while they slept then went to school and opened fire killing 2 classmates and injuring 22 shortly after beginning Prozac treatment.



Luke Woodham, age 16 (Prozac) killed his mother and then killed two students, wounding six others.



January 16, 2013 at 8:24 a.m.
joneses said...

A boy in Pocatello, ID (Zoloft) in 1998 had a Zoloft-induced seizure that caused an armed stand off at his school.



Michael Carneal (Ritalin), age 14, opened fire on students at a high school prayer meeting in West Paducah, Kentucky. Three teenagers were killed, five others were wounded..



A young man in Huntsville, Alabama (Ritalin) went psychotic chopping up his parents with an ax and also killing one sibling and almost murdering another.

Andrew Golden, age 11, (Ritalin) and Mitchell Johnson, aged 14, (Ritalin) shot 15 people, killing four students, one teacher, and wounding 10 others.



TJ Solomon, age 15, (Ritalin) high school student in Conyers, Georgia opened fire on and wounded six of his class mates.

Rod Mathews, age 14, (Ritalin) beat a classmate to death with a bat.

James Wilson, age 19, (various psychiatric drugs) from Breenwood, South Carolina, took a .22 caliber revolver into an elementary school killing two young girls, and wounding seven other children and two teachers.

Elizabeth Bush, age 13, (Paxil) was responsible for a school shooting in Pennsylvania

Jason Hoffman (Effexor and Celexa) – school shooting in El Cajon, California



Jarred Viktor, age 15, (Paxil), after five days on Paxil he stabbed his grandmother 61 times.



Chris Shanahan, age 15 (Paxil) in Rigby, ID who out of the blue killed a woman.



Jeff Franklin (Prozac and Ritalin), Huntsville, AL, killed his parents as they came home from work using a sledge hammer, hatchet, butcher knife and mechanic's file, then attacked his younger brothers and sister.


January 16, 2013 at 8:29 a.m.
joneses said...

Neal Furrow (Prozac) in LA Jewish school shooting reported to have been court-ordered to be on Prozac along with several other medications.



Kevin Rider, age 14, was withdrawing from Prozac when he died from a gunshot wound to his head. Initially it was ruled a suicide, but two years later, the investigation into his death was opened as a possible homicide. The prime suspect, also age 14, had been taking Zoloft and other SSRI antidepressants.

Alex Kim, age 13, hung himself shortly after his Lexapro prescription had been doubled.



Diane Routhier was prescribed Welbutrin for gallstone problems. Six days later, after suffering many adverse effects of the drug, she shot herself.

Billy Willkomm, an accomplished wrestler and a University of Florida student, was prescribed Prozac at the age of 17. His family found him dead of suicide – hanging from a tall ladder at the family's Gulf Shore Boulevard home in July 2002.



Kara Jaye Anne Fuller-Otter, age 12, was on Paxil when she hung herself from a hook in her closet. Kara's parents said ".... the damn doctor wouldn't take her off it and I asked him to when we went in on the second visit. I told him I thought she was having some sort of reaction to Paxil...")

Gareth Christian, Vancouver, age 18, was on Paxil when he committed suicide in 2002, (Gareth's father could not accept his son's death and killed himself.)



Julie Woodward, age 17, was on Zoloft when she hung herself in her family's detached garage.



Matthew Miller was 13 when he saw a psychiatrist because he was having difficulty at school. The psychiatrist gave him samples of Zoloft. Seven days later his mother found him dead, hanging by a belt from a laundry hook in his closet.



Kurt Danysh, age 18, and on Prozac, killed his father with a shotgun. He is now behind prison bars, and writes letters, trying to warn the world that SSRI drugs can kill.



January 16, 2013 at 8:33 a.m.
joneses said...

Woody __, age 37, committed suicide while in his 5th week of taking Zoloft. Shortly before his death his physician suggested doubling the dose of the drug. He had seen his physician only for insomnia. He had never been depressed, nor did he have any history of any mental illness symptoms.

A boy from Houston, age 10, shot and killed his father after his Prozac dosage was increased.



Hammad Memon, age 15, shot and killed a fellow middle school student. He had been diagnosed with ADHD and depression and was taking Zoloft and "other drugs for the conditions.

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Matti Saari, a 22-year-old culinary student, shot and killed 9 students and a teacher, and wounded another student, before killing himself. Saari was taking an SSRI and a benzodiazapine.

Steven Kazmierczak, age 27, shot and killed five people and wounded 21 others before killing himself in a Northern Illinois University auditorium. According to his girlfriend, he had recently been taking Prozac, Xanax and Ambien. Toxicology results showed that he still had trace amounts of Xanax in his system.



Finnish gunman Pekka-Eric Auvinen, age 18, had been taking antidepressants before he killed eight people and wounded a dozen more at Jokela High School – then he committed suicide.

Asa Coon from Cleveland, age 14, shot and wounded four before taking his own life. Court records show Coon was on Trazodone.

Jon Romano, age 16, on medication for depression, fired a shotgun at a teacher in his New York high school.


January 16, 2013 at 8:37 a.m.
conservative said...

joneses:

Easy123 called JonRoss "stupid" when he meant you.

I can hardly type this because of my laughter

January 16, 2013 at 8:48 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Conservative,

They are one and the same. I can't stop laughing at your WingNut hypocrisy and ignorance. The funny thing about it is I'm being serious. You, on the other hand, are just trying to use it for effect.

January 16, 2013 at 9:02 a.m.
nucanuck said...

The embrace of the bullet boy culture by such a wide swath of society is a marker of who we are...and unfortunately...where we are headed. Guns will not, and can not, make us a better nation...or even a safer nation.

Group delusion is still delusion.

January 16, 2013 at 9:05 a.m.
conservative said...

nucanuck:

You say you are consuming 2.3 earths!

Owebama is protected by guns, his life is safer.

My home is safer from harm by criminals because I am armed.

We have a safer nation because of our military.

Armed police and guards are in many places making citizens safer.

You are the one who is delusional.

January 16, 2013 at 9:24 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Conservative,

More votes have been cast in favor of you being delusional than vice versa.

January 16, 2013 at 9:36 a.m.
AndrewLohr said...

And these new rules are to be enforced by a President who chooses what laws to 'make sure are carefully executed,' and by an attorney general who deliberately sent masses of assault rifles to known murderous criminals? The Times doesn't know exactly what they are, but they merit serious support?

He who says to his brother You fool shall be in danger of judgment, and he who calls his brother an idiot shall be in danger of Hell fire. Cool it, people. (Matthew 5:22)

January 16, 2013 at 9:37 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

joneses aremchair psychiatrist: you forgot to mention that these represent the tiny minority who respond badly to medication. You forgot the vast majority that meds help. Oops.

conservative: no one is suggesting that we take away guns. The proposal is about specific weapon types. A lie is still a lie.

BTW: cause: I drive a gas powered car. remedy: it's a small one and I lived 3 miles from work. Your turn. How old is the earth, and what evidence do you have to support the accepted age?

January 16, 2013 at 9:38 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Another excellent commentary, TFP. . . And very informative.

I know the NRA has lobbied our politicians to essentially hide information about gun-related violence from the general public, but why would any responsible member of Congress oblige the NRA, and bar the Centers for Disease Control from compiling the number of gun-related wounds and deaths? Is Congress working for the NRA or the public?

Congress must know that illegal gun trafficking is a major problem in the U.S. so why would any elected official who has taken an oath to serve their country limit the ability of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to check a gun-store owner's inventory and sales data to once year? Why would they forbid the ATF& E to keep records in its database that link gun serial numbers to purchasers? And why would Congress muddled up the legal language of the gun-trade business to help unlicensed gun sellers? It should be obvious the only people to gain by these actions are those involved in illegal gun- trafficking.

January 16, 2013 at 9:41 a.m.
conservative said...

Ike,

Why are you addressing me ?:

"conservative: no one is suggesting that we take away guns. The proposal is about specific weapon types. A lie is still a lie.

January 16, 2013 at 9:59 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

You have a different opinion? Love to hear it. Tell also what about my link from the warming thread you disagree with.

January 16, 2013 at 10:02 a.m.
Leaf said...

joneses sure does know a lot about murderers, like a baseball fan knows their favorite players' stats.

January 16, 2013 at 10:13 a.m.
conservative said...

Ike,

Why are you addressing me ?:

"conservative: no one is suggesting that we take away guns. The proposal is about specific weapon types. A lie is still a lie.

January 16, 2013 at 10:20 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Why don't you answer the question conservative? Or is it beneath you to answer a woman's question? Or perhaps it's because I don't believe in your god?

January 16, 2013 at 10:22 a.m.
conservative said...

Ike,

you have huge problems.

You make no sense. One last try.

Why are you addressing me ?:

"conservative: no one is suggesting that we take away guns. The proposal is about specific weapon types. A lie is still a lie.

January 16, 2013 at 10:34 a.m.
Easy123 said...

LMFAO!

January 16, 2013 at 10:35 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Well, I always knew you were a coward, conservative. This just confirms it, not to mention makes it clear to everyone else.

January 16, 2013 at 10:42 a.m.
dao1980 said...

Goot lard, no joke, conny has got to be the most spineless ideologically perverse sissy I've ever encountered in a public forum.

I can't help but get a snicker at his embarrassingly weak attempt to play the controlling bully with "Why are you addressing me?", and his declaration of "you make no sense".

I can't imagine that a stone age mono-theist would ever get to validly declare anyone to be without sense regarding a modern topic.

Hey conny, we had an earthquake this morning... was it your deity feeling angry about something? Did you scream at the ground till it went away?

If so, thank you for saving us from our impending doom!

January 16, 2013 at 11:35 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Every public school in Chattanooga has an SRO. Many have two.

Again, you're a moron.

January 16, 2013 at 12:42 p.m.
Easy123 said...
January 16, 2013 at 12:47 p.m.
Easy123 said...

So does every public school in Chattanooga.

January 16, 2013 at 12:50 p.m.
Easy123 said...

I said every public school in Chattanooga, not most schools in Hamilton County.

Seriously, are you retarded?

January 16, 2013 at 12:54 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Name a public school in Chattanooga that isn't on the list.

Chattanooga is in Hamilton County. I didn't state otherwise or that Chattanooga had its own school system.

January 16, 2013 at 12:59 p.m.
Easy123 said...

The President's kids aren't in elementary school. I was referring to the equivalent of the school the President's children attend since that is what you referred to. Middle/High Schools if I need to spell it out further.

January 16, 2013 at 1:14 p.m.
Easy123 said...

There are many different types of schools actually. You were referring to the school Presodent Obama's children go to. I was referring to the equivalent. I guess you are having a hard time proving me wrong.

January 16, 2013 at 1:22 p.m.
conservative said...

If the info in this article is correct, Owebama's proposal is laughable.

Now, that I have said that many here will be forced to support and praise it. Problem solved no more school shootings. Right?

Obama unveils sweeping plan to battle gun violence

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/obama-unveils-sweeping-plan-battle-gun-violence-165956859--politics.html

January 16, 2013 at 1:26 p.m.
Easy123 said...

JonRoss,

Most public school equivalents in this city do have armed security. We just went over this, dumbass.

January 16, 2013 at 1:30 p.m.
conservative said...

Owebama in his proposal puts some blame on video games and wants to tax them.

I applaud the blame.

Let's hope he blames Hollywood next.

January 16, 2013 at 1:44 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

JonRoss said: "They want armed security for THEIR children but not mine."

Like the NRA, you’re speaking with a forked tongue on this issue, JonRoss.

As any involved parent with school age children knows, most school security measures are funded by local government agencies not President Obama. Some states provide special school safety grants to some school districts, but not to every school district in their state.

So if you really wanted armed security officers to protect your child's school, you would be talking to your local officials who are actually responsible and could actually make it happen.

January 16, 2013 at 1:47 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Also, please remember that unlike most children, Obama's children have received actual threats. Obama's family has been the recipient of tens of thousands of death threats since his first term began. In fact, Obama leads all presidents in the number of threats. Can't imagine race has anything to do with that, right? (sarcasm)

January 16, 2013 at 2:06 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Jon Ross, that was not the point and I think you know it. My children never received death threats therefore I did not need secret service protection.

January 16, 2013 at 3:03 p.m.
conservative said...

Harry Reid has better things to.

"Harry Reid: The Assault Weapons Ban Is Probably Doomed"

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/01/harry-reid-assault-weapons-ban.php#ixzz2IAg2hGJR

January 16, 2013 at 3:29 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

JonRoss claims: “I know more than you about public schools.”

Nice try, J.R., but you’ve already proven that you don’t know much of anything when comes to security in Tennessee's public schools. . . In fact, as I think about your posting history, I suspect that you don’t even have an interest in our public schools.

Indeed, since about 99.2% of your posts fall into the hate/President Obama category, I’d say you’re a single-issue one-track mind kind of guy. . . And I suspect the only reason we have the pleasure of your company today is because you didn’t want to miss the opportunity to parrot those that have been described as our bitterest enemy:

“The NRA must be desperate to break one of the fundamental laws of politics: you never involve the president's kids. Even Rush learned that lesson. But they just don't know when to quit.

The NRA has gone so far around the bend that it doesn't seem to occur to them anymore that stuff like this disgusts most normal Americans, and it's something that even their allies in Congress can't support.

The NRA is at once our bitterest enemy and our best friend when it comes to gun regulation. If they keep producing stuff like this, they just might lose this battle after all.”

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2013/01/nra-just-doesnt-know-when-quit

January 16, 2013 at 7:59 p.m.
FreedomJournal said...

The Fable Of All The Animals In The Forest Who Had Guns (12 January 2013)

The Old Wise Owl hooted, hollered loud but clear, he also moaned during the night and day and cried all night long. He stood all along the Watchtower. He knew that as far as he could see and beyond was the land that belonged to the Creator.

The snakes hid underneath rocks that were slippery and old but had always been their home. Many small rats and other animals that lived in holes carried well oiled 25 automatics tied to their furry bodies. But the big boys the bears, the deer carried rifles often used in warfare. But this was after the time when some monkeys and baboons in Africa invented gun powder around 1232.

The monkeys, baboons and gorillas along with the great elephant and the king of the jungle the lion and tiger had grown tired and weary of the subjects called man who was alleged to be human that came into their territory. They first came just to watch and gaze upon the greatness of the little and small people of the great forest called the jungle.

Cont.

Peace and Sweet Paradise, Brother Carl A. Patton writing for the FreedomJournal Press 16 January 2013 in the year of our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus.

January 16, 2013 at 9:40 p.m.
FreedomJournal said...

Cont. Animals That Had Guns

But these subjects eventually came with big and small sticks, clubs, spears, the bow and arrow and large knives. They wanted to kill many animals for sport and fun. Some also claimed that they ate meat and wanted to eat the peaceful animals after roasting their flesh over a hot fire.

Meanwhile, the most gifted gorilla told all the monkeys and baboons who told everyone in the great forest…. “We need to do something about these subjects said to be human who come to take not only our land but our hides.” “Gentleman Sam” the head of the clan continued to speak. He said…. “We must go into the chemistry laboratory and create or invent something that will help us sustain our lives.”

This was around the time of the 9th Century as the King Cobra Snake continues to narrate this story. Thus the effort to sustain life for the animals of the land resulted in the invention of something that was explosive.

King Cobra said…. “My friends and enemies who don’t have any guns this explosive device was called gun powder. It also changed the way we will be able to defend ourselves when man hunts for food.”

But “Gentle Sam” the mighty gorilla said….

“Instead of the subjects human hunting for meat in the forest why want they domesticate their own animals to eat? Will the subjects called humans raise some hogs, pigs, cows and chickens?”

“Wait a minute “Gentle Sam” said “King Cobra” do you mean this subject alleged to be human wants or has a desire to eat all if not most of the brethren in the field?” “Yes, that is right “King Cobra” I know because I have seen him hunting, stalking and lurking like a hump back fool throughout the jungle and the forest.”

Then said all the monkeys and baboons….

“We hope to get out this hot sun and go to America.”

“But what happened, why are you leaving said the Gorilla “Gentle Sam?”

“Well the native subjects of this land are at peace and have always been this way. However, some people came from up north to try and take them away from the land. But they defeated them with short spears in close in fighting. These people were very mighty with the sword.

The aggressors were very insistent on raping the land and its people. So Mr. “King Cobra” before we left these shores we came up with the idea of the gun made to perform with a black powder we called gun powder. When the subjects human come into the jungle the great forest trying to take us from our homes and kill us we fired back at him with these flintlock guns and he fled.”

All the monkeys and baboons once more than once said….

“We had to keep up with the times so since we had this knowledge and expertise to think we continued to develop the gun. The gun we developed in the forest changed the way the subjects human would hunt for food. It also gave us an edge whenever we had the few wars with the human subjects. Although outnumbered we were held in a superior status because we had invented the gun. Cont.

January 16, 2013 at 9:43 p.m.
FreedomJournal said...

Cont. Animals That Had Guns

In America we established a colony and began to till the land to sell mostly to the subjects called humans. Some of the poor who had been cast from the prisons across the great sea north from where we came worked the land for us. However, we paid them fair wages and made a pact to never make war on them as they had only metal weapons and no guns.

The land had been won by a great Revolution among the animals indigenous to the land and the invaders from across the great pond. We had been living in peace with the Native people. However, when the red and blue coats came they wanted everything. But they had no guns. Therefore we also worked some of them in our fields but we always paid them wages and treated them fair, although they were alleged to be human and could think.”

The Monkey and Baboon Nation joined forces with all of the animals in North, South and Central America. Thus throughout the Western Hemisphere there was a coalition and unified effort to protect all Snakes etc. from the subjects alleged to be humans. So as the nation began to take shape a Constitution was written with the 1st Amendment that first gives all the animals not lower of the field the right to Free Speech, growl, grunt, sing and cry out at any time. The 2nd Amendment came next and gives them all as the Monkeys and Baboons stood in the Red, Black, Green and Brown Big House the right to bear arms.

So every household in the intelligent animal kingdom had possession of several firearms. The subjects called humans had to be constantly kept under strict surveillance as they might take up the meager arms at their disposal or steal a few guns and cause a Riot or Revolt.

King Cobra now said….

“Monkey Nation and Baboon Kingdom where are you going with this story? Well first of all Snake we want you to know for certain that we have a constitutional right to speak on this subject. We all have Freedom of Speech even you. We also want to go on record to announce to the entire world and you and the rest of the Snakes who often make it hard for us Monkeys and Baboons that we all have the right by way of the Constitution we established to bear arms.

But before we look at the contemporary land-scape and the great Revolts by the subjects called humans to steal our guns we will take you back a bit and continue with a Monkey version of what our more intelligent friends in the animal kingdom called the historical development of guns and gun powder.

“Mr. Monkey See” said….

“I first had a rifle that you placed gun powder down the barrel to get it to fire. But since then I have carried the Coat revolver (invented by Bru Rabbit with the Brown Coat).”

“Mr. Monkey Do” said….

“Yes we are pleased to also have the single and double barrel shot gun the repeating carbine and the time when the subjects really tired to get out of hand we used the Cacklin Gun invented by a large goose or duck that came over from Russia.

Cont.

January 16, 2013 at 9:46 p.m.
FreedomJournal said...

Cont. Animals That Had Guns

The Eagle brought us the first automatic rifle named after a human subject who stole chickens named Winchester. No doubt Snake Cobra that the invention of gun powder by the rulers of the land paved the way for the creation of a device that would fire a bullet. The bullet is much more deadly than the spear, bow and arrow, knife or sword.

Once again brethren as I (as the King Cobra Snake) continue this story…

“I remind you of the fact that the Native people of the land were always at peace. Well who stands in opposition to creative and necessary development of technology as the animals of the land continue to grow develop and prosper? The subjects once known as humans stood by smiling but winking in secret when they put one or more hands up to their face.

Since the animals of the field never used their weapons that were never described as weapons of mass destruction to unnecessarily harm other animals or people they rested in things good. But all things good are not always good. The human subjects often stole guns or were sold guns by Snakes and then made short lived attempts of war and revolt against the rulers of the land.

“Mr. Monkey See” said…. “Let us look through the looking glass that is in my house to the time when our Nation would become even more advanced.

Yes “Monkey See”….

“Let me do my thing since I am “Mr. Monkey Do.” For example the telephone has made a transition to cell phones that also include multi-faceted information and various gadgetry for information, games, and communication. However, very few of us mis-use this technology except a few Snakes and whenever one falls into the calloused hands of the subjects described as humans. But some of the Snakes and the Rebels called humans old and young have become obsessed with these devices and have no interest in real information but in fun games, pictures galore, texting and idle gossip. But the firearms for the animal kingdom have always had a vital purpose and use. These weapons were not invented to kill other animals nor the subjects called humans. But there has always been a historic conflict over land and water by subjects and the animals.

“Mr. Monkey See” said….

“King Cobra I know you are a good Snake. In fact you are one of our most honest Snakes. We also commend you for not being obsessed with greed and trade with the humans. But let me ask you this question? Did the firearms have an initial utility? Did greed regarding the land of other people pave the way for the invention and creation of the firearms? The land of the Monkeys and Baboons was invaded by the northern human subjects. They attempted to conquer, defeat and rape the land of its animals, other human subjects native to the land, resources and all the life that is not wild.

Cont.

January 16, 2013 at 9:47 p.m.
FreedomJournal said...

Cont. Animals That Had Guns

Although they came in great numbers we invented the gun and this is what chased them back to where they came from. However, a few settled among the native human subjects to work tending the fields of cotton especially that grown by the Natives in the South of the land of the Monkeys and Baboons.”

“Mr. Monkey Do” reports….

“Well King Cobra when the Monkey and Baboon Nation came to America we embraced our brethren here and the people native to the land. Once more than once they were at peace and we had no trouble. We never needed to bear arms against these human subjects. However, it was a different story among those from the small lands across the great sea that had very little resources or meat at home that came to our land.

For example we could have carried out a campaign of extinction of the people foreign to our land. But we did not. We tried to help them and allowed them to see our practice of love and compassion for all of the animal kingdom and for those foreign and indigenous to our land. Therefore we don’t hunt for food with our guns. We eat from the fields we sow and what God has rendered due to his grace and mercy.”

Mr. Monkey See and Mr. Monkey Do” I am grateful for your comments and I have been listening closely to your dialog. But let me continue this story. No matter what we did in the animal kingdom the subjects called humans just got worse. We began to have full scale wars with these subjects. Therefore we had no choice but to invent better weapons for warfare. All of the Monkeys, Baboons and Gorillas got together. Many of the big cats were there and all of the snakes that some of the subjects called deadly were also there. I heard the snakes and the deer of the forest say that previously we only had to defend our homes. Therefore in all instances we had been able to drive the subjects called humans from our homelands.

But they eventually got so bold that we had to launch attacks against them and defend some of our land as they made constant attacks upon our people. Therefore a big grizzly bear we called BK invented the Assault Rifle. BK also told us we needed an extended magazine for this weapon because we needed all the bullets we could get as the subjects called humans often would assault us for hours on end. “

Mr. Monkey See” said….

“I know this to be true King Cobra but what was the greatest challenge… is the quest to continue to invent weapons for our protection? For example the weapons stolen by the subjects called humans were used to kill humans and many members of the animal kingdom. For the record our people throughout the animal kingdom only used these weapons in cases when they were attacked or to defend our lands from the subjects called humans. “

Cont.

January 16, 2013 at 9:49 p.m.
dao1980 said...

I think freedomjournal is lost again... probably took that wrong turn at Albuquerque.

I know the interwebs can a be a confusing place to navigate..

January 17, 2013 at 7:25 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

This was a rather odd sequence of posts.

January 17, 2013 at 8:12 a.m.
jesse said...

Freedomjournal sound like he beez trippin!

January 17, 2013 at 8:13 a.m.
Leaf said...

Well, I read a few paragraphs of that bizarre freedomjournal thing. This, kids, is what will happen to you too, if you don't stay off that wacky tobacky.

January 17, 2013 at 9:30 a.m.
conservative said...

Great article by Ann Coulter:

"Guns Don't Kill People, the Mentally Ill Do"

"Seung-Hui Cho, who committed the Virginia Tech massacre in 2007, had been diagnosed with severe anxiety disorder as a child and placed under treatment."

"But Virginia Tech was prohibited from being told about Cho's mental health problems because of federal privacy laws."

http://townhall.com/columnists/anncoulter/2013/01/16/guns-dont-kill-people-the-mentally-ill-do-n1491044?utm_source=thdaily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nl

January 17, 2013 at 9:40 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Conservative notes: "Great article by Ann Coulter:"Guns Don't Kill People, the Mentally Ill Do"

I don’t understand why people like Ann Coulter feel the need to keep repeating something that everybody knows. Indeed, is there any mentally competent person out there over the age of 18 who hasn't figured out that it’s usually criminals, mentally ill, and emotionally immature persons with loaded guns that kill people? It’s why responsible law abiding citizens have established gun safety laws, regulations, and gun free zones in our communities.

January 17, 2013 at 10:15 a.m.
dao1980 said...

Cuz she gets her woo-woo's from the "rise and parrot" style worship that comes outta slack-jaws like conny.

January 17, 2013 at 10:27 a.m.
conservative said...

mountainlaurel:

You are correct, you don't understand.

One thing you and Liberals don't understand is that the law is for the lawless and that the truly mentally ill don't understand it, the criminal will not obey it, so the law doesn't stop either.

If you had read the article you might not have rushed to display/reveal your continual lack of understanding as you have frequently shown me in our ongoing discussion ( "A Dismal Opening Scene," Jan 10th, 2013).

I made this statement to you on January 17, 2013 at 10:15 a.m. in the same discussion:

"Liberals are the reason many unstable are on the streets now and not in institutions"

This is the heart of her piece. You accused me of making that up.

Now, I'm going out on a limb here but I don't believe our past mass shootings can be traced to a lack of background checks at gun shows.

You see (just an expression- YOU don't see) it is not about controlling guns it is about controlling criminals and the mentally ill. No, not in an absolute sense. However, past shootings could have been prevented by controlling known criminals and the known mentally ill.

Yes, it is true, YOU don't understand!

January 17, 2013 at 11:53 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Actually, it is YOU that doesn't get it conservative. The point is that our gun laws have so many loopholes that the mentally ill can get to them. But of course, anyone who places ANY value whatsoever in what Ann Coulter has to say wouldn't get it. The problem is, only a small percentage of the mentally ill are prone to violence, and the medical community cannot predict which ones. So, what is implied here is that all people who are mentally ill should lose their freedoms on the small chance that they MAY be violent. Of course, from some perspectives the OCD nature of conservative wingnuts is a form of mental illness. So is the paranoia displayed by rabid gun nuts. Lock 'em up, right?

January 17, 2013 at 12:16 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Conservative uses the most words to say absolutely nothing. You just keep repeating the same phrase ("you don't understand") and follow it with highly illogical premises.

We attempt to control criminals through laws in this country. That's the part you don't get. You become a criminal by BREAKING THE LAW. Adam Lanza wasn't a known criminal. Neither were many of the other killers in recent mass shootings. The logic you are espousing speaks against all laws, not just gun laws.

You truly don't understand. It's disconcerting how little you actually understand.

January 17, 2013 at 12:20 p.m.
conservative said...

Great article by Ann Coulter:

"Guns Don't Kill People, the Mentally Ill Do"

"The 2011 Tucson, Ariz., shopping mall shooter, Jared Loughner, was so obviously disturbed that if he'd stayed in Pima Community College long enough to make the yearbook, he would have been named "Most Likely to Commit Mass Murder."'

"After Loughner got a tattoo, the artist, Carl Grace, remarked: "That's a weird dude. That's a Columbine candidate."'

"One of Loughner's teachers, Ben McGahee, filed numerous complaints against him, hoping to have him removed from class. "When I turned my back to write on the board," McGahee said, "I would always turn back quickly -- to see if he had a gun."'

http://townhall.com/columnists/anncoulter/2013/01/16/guns-dont-kill-people-the-mentally-ill-do-n1491044?utm_source=thdaily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nl

January 17, 2013 at 12:47 p.m.
dao1980 said...

Is that another another re re re post from conny?

January 17, 2013 at 12:49 p.m.
Easy123 said...

It's easy to win a debate when the other debater never has a rebuttal. Poor conservative.

January 17, 2013 at 12:50 p.m.
Easy123 said...

"Guns Don't Kill People, the Mentally Ill Do"

Do they kill people with their bare hands? Or knives? What weapon do mentally ill people use to kill other people?

January 17, 2013 at 12:52 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Conservative said: "Guns Don't Kill People, the Mentally Ill Do."

So what is Coulter saying? Is she suggesting that schools and communities set up “criminal-free zones" AND “mentally-ill-free zones" instead of the standard “gun-free” zones?

I don’t think the NRA will go for it, and we know that the sponsors of these gun shows won’t be willing to change their current “gun-free zone” policies. Indeed, they're no dummies. They know if they switched zones, they would lose at least 50% of their customer base.

January 17, 2013 at 2:15 p.m.
conservative said...

Great article by Ann Coulter:

"Guns Don't Kill People, the Mentally Ill Do"

Loughner continued-

"On her first day at school, student Lynda Sorensen emailed her friends about Loughner: “We do have one student in the class who was disruptive today, I’m not certain yet if he was on drugs (as one person surmised) or disturbed. He scares me a bit. The teacher tried to throw him out and he refused to go, so I talked to the teacher afterward. Hopefully he will be out of class very soon, and not come back with an automatic weapon.”"

"The last of several emails Sorensen sent about Loughner said: “We have a mentally unstable person in the class that scares the living cr** out of me. He is one of those whose picture you see on the news, after he has come into class with an automatic weapon. Everyone interviewed would say, Yeah, he was in my math class and he was really weird.""

"That was the summer before Loughner killed six people at the Tucson shopping mall, including a federal judge and a 9 year-old girl, and critically wounded Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, among others."

"Loughner also had run-ins with the law, including one charge for possessing drug paraphernalia — a lethal combination with mental illness. He was eventually asked to leave college on mental health grounds, released on the public without warning."

January 17, 2013 at 2:15 p.m.
conservative said...

mountainlaurel:

Well now, you either did not read the article or your hysteria has reached new highs.

January 17, 2013 at 2:29 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Well now, you either did not read the article or your hysteria has reached new highs.

laughable, considering you won't read evidence provided to you even when you ask for it. Besides, we know Coulter is full of bull. The point is not that these shooters are mentally ill-we know that.

January 17, 2013 at 2:42 p.m.
conservative said...

You provided NOTHING to read.

Who is "we"?

Also, you have provided NOTHING to refute Ann Coulter's piece.

The point is You and other Liberals have resisted efforts to institutionalize the mentally ill, the Sandy Hook shooting had no connection to gun shows. NOTHING!

January 17, 2013 at 3:03 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Your lack of reading comprehension is showing , conservative. Better see to that.

January 17, 2013 at 3:08 p.m.
conservative said...

Your childishness is showing Ike. Better see to that.

January 17, 2013 at 3:19 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Ikeithlu notes: "Besides, we know Coulter is full of bull."

Yes, I agree, Ikeithlu. We also know the Republicans are not willing to invest any tax dollars in mental health programs. If anyone doubts this, they only have to just listen to the Republican rants about Medicaid, which provides critical assistance to this population.

The sad thing is our country has not really made any meaningful attempts to deal with the problems of people who suffer from chronic mental illness in decades. From what I can tell, the last serious attempt that any administration made was with the Mental Health Systems Act, which occurred over 30 years ago under the Carter administration.

Needless to say, the Mental Health Systems Act wasn’t implemented due to President Reagan’s Omnibus Budget and Reconciliation Act of 1981, who turned all the responsibility for the provision of mental health services over to the states.

January 17, 2013 at 3:33 p.m.
conservative said...

Great article by Ann Coulter:

"Guns Don't Kill People, the Mentally Ill Do"

Loughner continued-

"Perhaps if Carl Grace, Ben McGahee or Lynda Sorensen worked in the mental health field, six people wouldn’t have had to die that January morning in Tucson. But committing Loughner to a mental institution in Arizona would have required a court order stating that he was a danger to himself and others."

"Innumerable studies have found a correlation between severe mental illness and violent behavior. Thirty-one to 61 percent of all homicides committed by disturbed individuals occur during their first psychotic episode — which is why mass murderers often have no criminal record. There’s no time to wait with the mentally ill."

January 17, 2013 at 3:46 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

conservative, as we know, Adam Lanza was not identified as a threat. So your point means little. Which is why I made a previous point that you apparently didn't grasp: Most mentally ill people are NOT a threat, and the ones that commit these acts may not show any risk beforehand. This again is the point that Coulter, in her ignorance, fails to see.

January 17, 2013 at 4 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Conservative said: "Guns Don't Kill People, the Mentally Ill Do."

If guns don’t kill people, why are loaded guns banned at these gun shows? . . . Mentally ill persons aren’t banned from these gun shows. . . Convicted criminals aren’t banned . . . only loaded guns are banned at these gun shows.

January 17, 2013 at 4:05 p.m.
conservative said...

mountainlaurel said...

Conservative said: "Guns Don't Kill People, the Mentally Ill Do."

If guns don’t kill people, why are loaded guns banned at these gun shows? . . . Mentally ill persons aren’t banned from these gun shows. . . Convicted criminals aren’t banned . . . only loaded guns are banned at these gun shows.

January 17, 2013 at 4:05 p.m.

Wow!! I am saving that one, destined to be a classic.

I, Conservative didn't say "Guns Don't Kill People, the Mentally Ill Do."

That was the caption of the article I cited by Ann Coulter.

Guns only kill when the trigger is pulled by a human being. I have never said and it has never been recorded that a gun acting alone killed a human being. Never. I have guns in my home, not once has one fired by itself nor has anyone ever been killed in my home or anyone else's home by a gun firing by itself.

Guns do not have minds!! Guns do not have a will!! Guns do not have evil intent!!

You poor Liberal, not only have you no knowledge about guns but you have no common sense as well to put it mildly, when you challenge the fact that a gun by itself can/does not kill.

Now, to your gross ignorance about loaded guns at gun shows.

Loaded guns are/should be banned at gun shows because people handle the guns they might purchase. People pick up/handle guns at gun shows. They look down the barrel (that shaft with the sight on the end) while their finger is on the trigger. Can you see why it might not be a good idea to have that gun loaded? People pull the trigger of a gun they might purchase, can you think of a reason why that gun should not be loaded?

Please, please, never own or handle a gun mountainlaurel, you are a danger to yourself and anyone you come in contact with.

January 17, 2013 at 5:41 p.m.
conservative said...

Ike,

Read, read, read, before you spout silliness and I have to expose you.

regarding your "conservative, as we know, Adam Lanza was not identified as a threat. So your point means little."

I don't know that but that doesn't matter. You probably didn't read Ann Coulter's article or you are deliberately disregarding this :

"It has been reported that Lanza’s mother, his first victim, was trying to have him involuntarily committed to a mental institution, triggering his rage. If true — and the media seem remarkably uninterested in finding out if it is true — Mrs. Lanza would have had to undergo a long and grueling process, unlikely to succeed."

"As The New York Times’ Joe Nocera recently wrote: “Connecticut’s laws are so restrictive in terms of the proof required to get someone committed that Adam Lanza’s mother would probably not have been able to get him help even if she had tried.”"

However, as you failed to note either because you refuse to or because you refused to read the article other mass killers did display the behavior of mental illness.

The point throughout Coulter's article is that Liberals led by the ACLU have prevented the mentally from being institutionalized or termed mentally ill.

Read, read, read, before you spout silliness and I have to expose you.

January 17, 2013 at 6:13 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Read Read Read someone other than Coulter, who is a liar and a fraud. MOST mentally ill give no indication that they are a threat. If those that do are still able to obtain weapons then we have a problem with gun laws. You simply don't get it.

January 17, 2013 at 6:39 p.m.
conservative said...

no, you refuse to acknowledge the fact that the mass murderers Ann Coulter wrote about were recognized as mentally disturbed/unstable.

January 17, 2013 at 6:48 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Yes they were, and were still able to obtain guns. Don't you get it?

January 17, 2013 at 6:54 p.m.
conservative said...

Exactly!! Exactly!!

There was no connection to gun shows.

Don't you get it?

The Sandy Hook shooter used legally purchased guns to commmit illegal acts.

Don't you get it.

January 17, 2013 at 7:03 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Yes, in that the legal process is so loose anyone can buy weapons, including high capacity semi-automatics which should not even be in the hands of civilians. There is no accountability whatsoever because the NRA doesn't want it.

January 17, 2013 at 7:36 p.m.
conservative said...

In the legal process as you termed it you are wrong because not everyone can buy weapons in that legal process.

We have a constitutional right to own a semi-automatic weapon and I am thankful for that and I am glad that you finally admitted you would deny Americans that right if you had your way. I only wish other Liberals would admit the same. Single shot weapons are almost useless. Not going to happen.

I wish the NRA had that power. However, it is a good thing in my opinion that you believe that.

I wish you and mountainlaurel would get other Liberals to openly declare that they also would deny Americans the right to own semi automatic weapons.

January 17, 2013 at 8:21 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

“Conservative notes: “Guns only kill when the trigger is pulled by a human being. . . . it has never been recorded that a gun acting alone killed a human being.”

Really. . . Well, I’ll be darn. . . I sure hope you share this info with the rest of the world.

Conservative says: “Now, to your gross ignorance about loaded guns at gun shows. Loaded guns are/should be banned at gun shows because people handle the guns they might purchase. People pick up/handle guns at gun shows.”

Shame on you, Conservative. You’re not being very honest about the gun rules at these gun shows. . . Are you?. . The gun rules aren’t just for the gun dealers. . . No one can bring a loaded firearm into a gun show even people who have a concealed weapon permit. . . And the reason they don’t allow you to bring your loaded firearms to the gun show is the same reason that employers don’t want guns on their premises. . . It’s the same reason the Republicans don’t allow you to bring your firearms to their National Convention.

As the Crossroads Gun Show so aptly puts it:

“We respectfully request that you do not bring any loaded firearm into the gun show. Safety is our Number One Priority, and a safe environment in the show can only be maintained if there are no loaded guns in the show.”

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2013/01/16/1455701/anti-gun-safety-lawmaker-admits-gun-free-zones-are-necessary-to-provide-protection/

January 17, 2013 at 9:19 p.m.
conservative said...

mountainlaurel:

No, the shame should be on you but you have no shame with your latest. Who are you trying to fool? Have you no shame for such patent dishonesty?

You made this up:

"The gun rules aren’t just for the gun dealers. . . No one can bring a loaded firearm into a gun show even people who have a concealed weapon permit. . ."

That statement that you are trying to show me as opposed to was completely supported by me when I corrected you.

Who are you trying to fool? Have you no shame patent dishonesty?

Here is my correction of you:

"Now, to your gross ignorance about loaded guns at gun shows."

"Loaded guns are/should be banned at gun shows because people handle the guns they might purchase. People pick up/handle guns at gun shows. They look down the barrel (that shaft with the sight on the end) while their finger is on the trigger. Can you see why it might not be a good idea to have that gun loaded? People pull the trigger of a gun they might purchase, can you think of a reason why that gun should not be loaded?"

Who are you trying to fool? Have you no shame for such patent dishonesty?

January 18, 2013 at 7:56 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Conservative said: " The shame should be on you but you have no shame with your latest. Who are you trying to fool? Have you no shame for such patent dishonesty?. . . That statement that you are trying to show me as opposed to was completely supported by me when I corrected you.”

Nice try, but all this huffing and puffing doesn’t negate your effort to avoid admitting these gun dealers don’t want a bunch of gun enthusiasts wearing or bringing their loaded firearms onto the premises of their gun shows - including customers with concealed weapon permits.

And if you “completely supported” my statement, why didn’t you just admit from the beginning that people are not allowed to wear and/or bring their loaded firearms onto the premises of a gun show? Why did you start rambling on about the dangers of “customers” picking up merchandise and looking down barrels? We weren’t discussing the dealer’s merchandise.

No, I think you just don’t want to admit that gun-free zones and gun regulations are needed because people get kill when guns are in the hands of irresponsible people. Responsible people understand this and readily admit it – irresponsible people may know it, but won't admit it.

January 18, 2013 at 6:37 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Conservative seems to believe if he repeats something multiple times then it will make it true or sound better or something.

Who are you trying to fool, conservative? Have you no shame for such patent dishonesty? Like when you accused mountainlaurel of believing or saying that guns alone kill people.

January 18, 2013 at 7:06 p.m.
conservative said...

mountainlaurel:

WOW!!!

Your dishonesty is beyond belief mountainlaurel. Have you no shame. Who are you trying to fool?

Again, I will provide the evidence of your dishonesty mountainlaurel, have you no shame:

This is part of what I wrote to you on January 17, 2013 at 5:41 p.m.

"Now, to your gross ignorance about loaded guns at gun shows."

"Loaded guns are/should be banned at gun shows because people handle the guns they might purchase. People pick up/handle guns at gun shows. They look down the barrel (that shaft with the sight on the end) while their finger is on the trigger. Can you see why it might not be a good idea to have that gun loaded? People pull the trigger of a gun they might purchase, can you think of a reason why that gun should not be loaded?"

Have you no shame mountainlaurel? Who are you trying to fool?

January 18, 2013 at 7:15 p.m.
Easy123 said...

mountainlaurel,

This will go on forever. conservative will copy and paste that same post over and over until he goes to sleep. He'll even post it tomorrow. On other threads even.

January 18, 2013 at 7:17 p.m.
conservative said...

mountainlaurel;

You made this up, have you no shame, who are you trying to fool?

"Nice try, but all this huffing and puffing doesn’t negate your effort to avoid admitting these gun dealers don’t want a bunch of gun enthusiasts wearing or bringing their loaded firearms onto the premises of their gun shows - including customers with concealed weapon permits."

Now, paste the proof to back up your lie.

Again, I first made it plain to YOU why loaded guns are not allowed at gun shows. I instructed YOU on January 17, 2013 at 5:41 p.m.

"Now, to your gross ignorance about loaded guns at gun shows."

"Loaded guns are/should be banned at gun shows because people handle the guns they might purchase. People pick up/handle guns at gun shows. They look down the barrel (that shaft with the sight on the end) while their finger is on the trigger. Can you see why it might not be a good idea to have that gun loaded? People pull the trigger of a gun they might purchase, can you think of a reason why that gun should not be loaded?"

Have you no shame? Who are you trying to fool?

January 18, 2013 at 7:25 p.m.
conservative said...

Mountainlaurel:

No, I did not "completed support" anything you said. Pasting my words to make it appear that I "completely supported" anything you said is your worse lie yet.

January 18, 2013 at 7:56 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Easy 123 notes: “This will go on forever. conservative will copy and paste that same post over and over until he goes to sleep. He'll even post it tomorrow. On other threads even.”

Yes, I suspect you’re probably right about this, Easy. . . I guess it was my point about those gun dealers not allowing a bunch of crazed gun enthusiasts to wear or bring their loaded firearms to these gun shows that unsettled him. . . Oh, well.

January 18, 2013 at 11:54 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Conservative is a fool.

conservative said...

Mountainlaurel:

"No, I did not "completed(sic) support" anything you said. Pasting my words to make it appear that I "completely supported" anything you said is your worse lie yet."

January 18, 2013 at 7:56 p.m.


"That statement that you are trying to show me as opposed to was completely supported by me when I corrected you."

January 18, 2013 at 7:56 a.m.


mountainlaurel,

You said it! "Oh well!"

January 19, 2013 at 4:19 a.m.
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