published Wednesday, July 17th, 2013

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about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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Dress like a thug, talk like a thug, act like a thug, get treated like a thug. Tough beans.

July 17, 2013 at 12:12 a.m.
alprova said...

zableedofisterix, you totally forgot to include "die like a thug" in your rant.

July 17, 2013 at 12:16 a.m.
alprova said...

One of my favorite pieces of winter clothing is a hoodie. I suppose I will live in fear of being profiled a criminal the next time I don it to keep the wind and the weather off my bald head and ears.

July 17, 2013 at 12:19 a.m.
alprova said...

Zimmerman may be free, but his life will never be the same. He will likely never be a neighborhood watchman ever again, and that is a good thing. He clearly sucked at it.

I pray that every time he closes his eyes, he sees Trayvon Martin's face at the moment he shot him, and I hope he never gets another good night's sleep for the rest of his life.

Of course, if he doesn't have a conscience, he probably sleeps just fine.

July 17, 2013 at 12:27 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Nah, Alpo, with or without hoodie, you'll be profiled as an old used car salesman.

July 17, 2013 at 12:36 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

By Peter Wehner:

In this case the facts, the truth, and the law all point in the same direction: George Zimmerman was not guilty of second-degree murder or manslaughter–and racism was not a factor in the death of Trayvon Martin.

The prosecution team said as much. (Angela Corey, the special prosecutor in the case, conceded, “This case has never been about race.”) So did the jury. (One of the jurors in Zimmerman’s state trial told CNN on Monday that she did not think Zimmerman racially profiled Martin. “All of us thought race did not play a role,” said the juror.) And so did Chris Serino, the Sanford Police Department detective who headed the shooting probe. He said the fatal shooting was not based on Martin’s skin color, nor was Zimmerman considered to be a racist.

The Department of Justice needs to give up meddling in this case since there was not a shred of evidence presented in the trial showing Zimmerman is racist or that his shooting of Martin was driven by racial bigotry.

But that hardly seems to matter to some of those on the left and in the media, who are determined to turn this case into an example of a hate crime.

Liberals long to use a case like this to transport them to an Atticus Finch-Tom Robinson, Edmund Pettus Bridge moment. They want things like the Zimmerman trial to be at core about a great civil rights struggle, even if it’s actually not.

What we’re seeing from the left is post-modernism on full display. The facts, the truth and objective reality are subordinate to the progressive narrative. In this particular instance many liberals so want the killing of Trayvon Martin to be driven by bigotry–which would serve as both an indictment of racial attitudes in America and turn a horrible mistake into a “modern-day lynching”–that they will make it so, even if it requires twisting the truth into something unrecognizable.

What matters, after all, is The Cause. And everything, including basic facts, must be bent to fit it. This kind of systematic deconstruction of truth is fairly common in college liberal arts courses all across America. But when it becomes the primary mode of interpretation in a murder trial, it is something else again.

Most of us, when we hear the words “justice must be done,” believe that what is right, reasonable, fair and in accordance with the facts be done. But some on the left have something else in mind. For them, justice is a tool in a larger political struggle, a means to an end. Justice can be at odds with reality if reality is at odds with liberalism. Which is why the efforts to turn the Zimmerman verdict into a racial miscarriage of justice is so discouraging and so damaging.

July 17, 2013 at 12:38 a.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "Nah, Alpo, with or without hoodie, you'll be profiled as an old used car salesman."

I'm about 20 years younger than yourself.

July 17, 2013 at 12:51 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

So?

July 17, 2013 at 12:54 a.m.
jesse said...

There's a line in an old Buffalo Springfield song that goes " "Nobody's right if everybody's wrong"!Seems pretty apt for this entire situation!

Matter of fact that entire song "For what it's worth" could be about this!

July 17, 2013 at 4:42 a.m.
degage said...

Really Al, One woman hit the guy once and you spout" I don't know what to make of all these violent white people". She was wrong and most of us will find that kind of behavior stupid. Of course you don't seem to have a problem with black on white violence.

July 17, 2013 at 6:07 a.m.
prairie_dog said...

Great idea. Anyone hiding their identity gets extra scrutiny.

Isn't that the idea?

July 17, 2013 at 7:56 a.m.
conservative said...

EVERYONE makes evaluations and judgments on appearance! This is a fact of life.

Even Jesse Jackson once remarked about hearing footsteps following him and turning around was relieved to see that it was a white man wearing a suit.

We certainly watch in my neighboorhood and report suspicious activity. That is why it is called a neighborhood watch program.

Do you get it now Mr. Bennett?

July 17, 2013 at 7:57 a.m.
chet123 said...

ZABLEEDOFISTERIX:

I SHARE YOUR PAIN WITH THE HOODIE AND SLACKS FITTING LOOSELY.....BUT WHO IS YOU TO PLAY GOD...I'VE READ YOUR POSTS AND THEY REFLEX DEEP HATRED.......THIS IS AMERICA.....AND HOPE ARE YOU TO PREJUDGE ANYONE BY THE WAY THEY DRESS....

YOU ARE THE PROBLEM I SEE IN THE TEA-PARTY/GOP/REPUBLICAN...ALONG WITH THE SOUTHERN CHURCHES.....FILL WITH HATE...

July 17, 2013 at 7:59 a.m.
joneses said...

This cartoon is a perfect example of liberal stupidity. Sopmeone should tell Walmart bennett will probably release his anger by looting them.

Where was bennetts cartoon and the liberal and naacp outrage about the two black thugs that shot and killed a 13 month old baby in Brunswick Georgia recently in front of his mother? Oh I forgot it was a baby and we all know liberals do not value the life of a baby but they to hold the lives of murderers, rapist, serial killers, child molestors in high regard. Another example of liberalism being a mental illness.

July 17, 2013 at 8:04 a.m.
chet123 said...

HERE WE GO AGAIN!!!!!

THIS NUT KEEP COMPARING APPLES AND ORANGES

THOSE BOYS WERE NOT RELEASED TO GO HOME......THEY WILL NEVER SEE DAY-LIGHT....AND RIGHTLY SO!!

BUT JONESES KEEP COMPARING THAT CASE WITH A MAN THAT WAS ALLOW TO WALK FREE.....

July 17, 2013 at 8:45 a.m.
limric said...

Alprova,

Early this morning you said you found it: ”An amazing thing to witness so many people claiming that this case had nothing at all to do with race.”

To that I agree; The ‘State of Florida vs. George Zimmerman’ was entirely about race.

Another acerbic cartoon Clay. Well done.

July 17, 2013 at 8:48 a.m.
chet123 said...

FUNNY HE USE THE TERM MENTAL ILLNESS......MAYBE HE THINK HE IS THE "NORM".....GLAD THE WORLD CAN SEE PEOPLE LIKE JONESES...

JONESES IS A TEA-PARTY/GOP/REPUBLICANSOUTHERN BAPTIST......TWISTED THINKING PEOPLE SURROUNDING HIM

July 17, 2013 at 8:51 a.m.
jesse said...

The so called CRIME had NOTHING to do w/race!

The charge and the trial was ALL about race!!

July 17, 2013 at 8:54 a.m.
chet123 said...

THE GOP BEEN PUSHING THIS RACEFREE, COLOR-BLIND LIE IN THERE POLITICAL CAMPAIGNS.....

ANOTHER BIG LIE

July 17, 2013 at 8:54 a.m.
chet123 said...

JESSE IS ANOTHER TEA-PARTY/REPUBLICAN....THEY KNOW WHATS GOOD FOR ME..HA HA HA HA

July 17, 2013 at 8:55 a.m.
Yossarian25 said...

Stand your ground, against those armed with skittles

July 17, 2013 at 9:09 a.m.
jesse said...

Off your meds again i see Chet!

July 17, 2013 at 9:11 a.m.
jjmez said...

What The Wire creator, David Simon, has to say about the Zimmerman verdict:

"TODAY I AM ASHAMED TO BE AN AMERICAN" - david simon

blog post unedited:

You can stand your ground if you’re white, and you can use a gun to do it. But if you stand your ground with your fists and you’re black, you’re dead.

In the state of Florida, the season on African-Americans now runs year round. Come one, come all. And bring a handgun. The legislators are fine with this blood on their hands. The governor, too. One man accosted another and when it became a fist fight, one man — and one man only — had a firearm. The rest is racial rationalization and dishonorable commentary.

If I were a person of color in Florida, I would pick up a brick and start walking toward that courthouse in Sanford. Those that do not, those that hold the pain and betrayal inside and somehow manage to resist violence — these citizens are testament to a stoic tolerance that is more than the rest of us deserve. I confess, their patience and patriotism is well beyond my own.

***Behold, the lewd, pornographic embrace of two great American pathologies: Race and guns, both of which have conspired not only to take the life of a teenager, but to make that killing entirely permissible. I can’t look an African-American parent in the eye for thinking about what they must tell their sons about what can happen to them on the streets of their country. Tonight, anyone who truly understands what justice is and what it requires of a society is ashamed to call himself an American.


http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/tv/showtracker/la-et-st-zimmerman-verdict-david-simon-the-wire-creator-reaction-riot-,0,159278.story

July 17, 2013 at 9:16 a.m.
alprova said...

degage wrote: "Of course you don't seem to have a problem with black on white violence."

I have a problem with anyone who commits violence, but I don't sit around and blame an entire race of people for it, like you and others have been doing.

You and others tend to look at the roughly three quarters of a million black people who are in prison for various offenses, but have you ever taken a look at the number of black people who are attending schools of higher education?

At last count, there were 2,224,181 blacks attending colleges around the country.

You and others probably believe that overwhelming majority of black people live in public housing. The fact is that nearly half own their homes.

You and others probably believe that there are more blacks than whites receiving some form of welfare assistance. The fact is that 39% are white, 38% are black, and 17% are Hispanic.

You're probably one of those who believe, depending on where you are getting your information, that there are 50%, 50 million, or one in five people living on welfare.

The actual numbers of those who actually depend on Government assistance for more than 50% of their living expenses, who are not retired or disabled, are as follows;

According to the U.S. Dept. of Health and Human Services, only about 2.1% of the American population receives most of their income (50% or more) from actual welfare programs. About 1 out of every 75 Americans are on welfare.

About 50 million people rely on Medicaid and about 40 million receive TANF assistance. But the vast majority who receive benefits from those two social programs are the WORKING poor.

It's very hard to get people upset about the welfare numbers, unless you include the working poor. The fact is that there are only 4.4 million who are actually paid not to work in this country on a permanent basis. Even if you include the 4.5 million people drawing unemployment insurance benefits, you are only up to 9.1 million Americans being paid not to work, which is about 2.9% of the American population.

But don't let me stop you from locking your car doors every time you see a black man walking down the street or that 50% of the population are all "Welfare Queens" driving around in Cadillacs and that they are all keeping President Obama and the Democrats in power, against the will of the American people.

Some of you are all in world of make believe.

July 17, 2013 at 9:23 a.m.
alprova said...

joneses wrote: "Where was bennetts cartoon and the liberal and naacp outrage about the two black thugs that shot and killed a 13 month old baby in Brunswick Georgia recently in front of his mother?"

Why didn't you round up a few "good ole boys," hop in your cars, go down to Brunswick, and hang 'em from a tree?

Did you read the latest update on that case? It may not have went down exactly like the mother said it did.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57594017-504083/antonio-santiago-update-gunshot-residue-found-on-slain-ga-babys-parents-report-says/

"Oh I forgot it was a baby and we all know liberals do not value the life of a baby but they to hold the lives of murderers, rapist, serial killers, child molestors in high regard. Another example of liberalism being a mental illness."

You're so full of horse squeeze that you whinny when you type.

July 17, 2013 at 9:35 a.m.
jjmez said...

conserve said: "We certainly watch in my neighboorhood and report suspicious activity. That is why it is called a neighborhood watch program."

It all depends on who you pay close attention to and why? If you watch based on race and race alone {and many of these NHW groups do), that's racial profiling, and it's wrong. It all depends on what you interpret as a suspicious person in the area.

July 17, 2013 at 9:39 a.m.

Play God? Why am I doing that? I just see it for what it is.

"die like a thug"? He was committing felony assault on GZ. He was doing all the punching, head banging etc.

GZ is not a racist, he's not a murderer, he's not guilty of a hate crime, and he's not a "gay rapist", as blurted out by that shining beacon of the "Great Society", Rachel Jeantel.

GZ was found innocent by a jury. The story is closed. All the howling, rioting, looting, beating up white people by black people, and bitching by "black leaders", cannot change the facts, and cannot attach race to this incident. Get over it.

July 17, 2013 at 9:40 a.m.
jjmez said...

zable said: " All the howling, rioting, looting, beating up white people"

Obviously you have not been watching any live footage. If you had you'd know a lot of that howling, rioting, looting and beating up white people are being committed by other white people royally pis*sed over Zimmerman verdict. Try to keep up. Much of the civilized world {and not just Americans) are in shock over this verdict.

July 17, 2013 at 9:44 a.m.
Loyaljeeper said...

Play stupid games and you will win stupid prizes! I think this goes for Martin and Zimmerman.

July 17, 2013 at 9:57 a.m.
alprova said...

zab wrote: "GZ is not a racist, he's not a murderer, he's not guilty of a hate crime, and he's not a "gay rapist", as blurted out by that shining beacon of the "Great Society", Rachel Jeantel."

And based on the evidence, Trayvon was supposed to know that Zimmerman was not stalking him for evil intent, HOW?

Zimmerman, by his own admission to the police, had two opportunities to identify himself to Trayvon and he never once disclosed himself to be a Neighborhood Watchman, and when directly asked what led Trayvon to hit him, his only response was..."I don't know."

Despite all this crap floating around about Trayvon, there is not a hint of violence in his past and that was on record in those police interview recordings as well.

"GZ was found innocent by a jury. The story is closed."

Oh no...the story is just going into the next phase. It is by no means closed.

"All the howling, rioting, looting, beating up white people by black people, and bitching by "black leaders", cannot change the facts, and cannot attach race to this incident. Get over it."

The only ones perpetuating race as a factor in it are people like yourself.

July 17, 2013 at 9:59 a.m.

There was a jogger yanked off the street and beaten up by a group of black men.

The whites that are howling are either lefties, stupid, democrats, ignorant, or are complete tools of the leftist media. The fact is Martin was doing the beating, GZ defended himself, and that's what the jury found. Deal with it. The left is desperate to not only make into some- thing else, but to attach race to it. What you and other lefties should be in "shock" over is the shocking number of black teens and young children killed by black teens in this country. That's the story, and it's ignored in favor of this non-story which was a total media event lapped up by leftist zombies like you.

July 17, 2013 at 10:02 a.m.

Yeah, a murderer calls the police and tells them what's going on. Idiocy.

How monumentally ignorant or self-serving on your part, Alprova, in the face of massive onslaught by the media, black leaders, and idiots, like Nancy Grace, pushing the race card hard on this.

If it's not been made about race, then why does the liberal media keep pushing that?

July 17, 2013 at 10:07 a.m.
facyspacy said...

Yossarian25 said... Stand your ground, against those armed with skittles July 17, 2013 at 9:09 a.m.

Think about you dscription. Painting a picture if an innocent kid with a bag of skittles is silly. Take for instance..... I break into your home with intent to steal items from your house. I'm not armed but I have a bag of skittles in my pocket. You shoot and kill me, which you'd have a righ to do. I guess I'm a helpless kid with a bag of skittles?

The NAACP is the Kolored klan. Great organization 40 years ago. Instead of jumping on every opportunity to play the race card, they need to focus on the advancement. Look at your homes. Look at your streets. Look at family values. Stop blaming whitie. Stop looking for results that you haven't worked to get.

Martin came from a broken home. Used dugs. Owned a gun. Was in trouble at school. He had robbed a house. He had been suspended from school. He had a history of violence. Been in numerous fights. Gotta blame the parents

July 17, 2013 at 10:10 a.m.
facyspacy said...

You and others probably believe that there are more blacks than whites receiving some form of welfare assistance. The fact is that 39% are white, 38% are black, and 17% are Hispanic." -alp

I don't know the exact percentage, but black people are like 12% of the population. White people are 72% of the population. But they have almost the same amount people on welfare assistance? It's the white mans fault.

July 17, 2013 at 10:16 a.m.
chet123 said...

ZABLEEDOFIST:

I KNOW YOU BELEIVE THAT THE 17 YEAROLD TRAVON WITH HIS SUPERMAN STRENGTH AND 150LBS BODY VICIOUSLY ATTACK THE 30YEAR OLD 220LBS ZIMMERSON(WHO ACCIDENTLY STALKED TRAVON) WAS BODY SLAMMED BY THE SUPER-HUMAN YOUTH DESPITE ZIMMERSON 70LBS ADVANTAGE IN WEIGHT THE ADVANTAGE OF SELF-DENSE TRAINNING BY PROFESSIONAL TRAINERS...THE YOUTH JUMPED OUT OF THE BUSHES AND TOLD POOR ZIMMERSON HE WAS GOING TO DIE TONITE BECAUSE HE WAS GOING ICE TEA AND SKITTLE GEORGY TO DEATH.....POOR GEORGY

HA HA HA HA!!!!

THIS THE FANASY ZABLEEDOFIST HAS IN HIS HEAD!!!!

HA HA HA HA.....NOW YOU KNOW HOW THE NATIVE AMERICA DERIVED THE TERM "FORK TONGUE" HA HA HA!

July 17, 2013 at 10:18 a.m.
facyspacy said...

"The actual numbers of those who actually depend on Government assistance for more than 50% of their living expenses, who are not retired or disabled, are as follows;

According to the U.S. Dept. of Health and Human Services, only about 2.1% of the American population receives most of their income (50% or more) from actual welfare programs. About 1 out of every 75 Americans are on welfare.

About 50 million people rely on Medicaid and about 40 million receive TANF assistance. But the vast majority who receive benefits from those two social programs are the WORKING poor.

It's very hard to get people upset about the welfare numbers, unless you include the working poor. The fact is that there are only 4.4 million who are actually paid not to work in this country on a permanent basis. Even if you include the 4.5 million people drawing unemployment insurance benefits, you are only up to 9.1 million Americans being paid not to work, which is about 2.9% of the American population. " -Alprova

According to a recent in-depth study from the Heritage Foundation, "128,818,142 people are enrolled in at least one government program," based on U.S. Census Bureau information, the bulk of which receive one or more benefits considered politically untouchable. That's more like 1 and 3

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/038660_government_assistance_taxpayers_welfare.html#ixzz2ZJSBWVVo

July 17, 2013 at 10:25 a.m.
facyspacy said...

"I KNOW YOU BELEIVE THAT THE 17 YEAROLD TRAVON WITH HIS SUPERMAN STRENGTH AND 150LBS BODY VICIOUSLY ATTACK THE 30YEAR OLD 220LBS ZIMMERSON(WHO ACCIDENTLY STALKED TRAVON) WAS BODY SLAMMED BY THE SUPER-HUMAN YOUTH DESPITE ZIMMERSON 70LBS ADVANTAGE IN WEIGHT THE ADVANTAGE OF SELF-DENSE TRAINNING BY PROFESSIONAL TRAINERS...THE YOUTH JUMPED OUT OF THE BUSHES AND TOLD POOR ZIMMERSON HE WAS GOING TO DIE TONITE BECAUSE HE WAS GOING ICE TEA AND SKITTLE GEORGY TO DEATH.....POOR GEORGY" - Chet blubbered

Again, that's only opinion. A witness saw Trayvon on top of Zimmerman. It's idiots like you that makes other idiots race bait. And..... Those were not their weights at the time of the shooting. To make an argument, try coming with facts or even try coming with truthful facts. Your president is still in hiding..... Waiting on him to open his fat mouth again

July 17, 2013 at 10:32 a.m.
alprova said...

facyspacy wrote: "Martin came from a broken home."

What does that have to do with a thing? Half of Americans come from broken homes.

"Used dugs."

He smoked dope. Big deal.

"Owned a gun."

Proof?

"Was in trouble at school."

He was suspended for being tardy, having a screwdriver in his backpack, and for having a pipe with marijuana residue in it.

"He had robbed a house."

Proof?

"He had a history of violence. Been in numerous fights."

That is patently false.

"Gotta blame the parents"

Gotta blame anyone but the man who killed him, that's for sure.

July 17, 2013 at 10:37 a.m.
chet123 said...

FACYSPACY:

SEE YOU DECIDE TO CHANGE SUBJECT.....IS IT BECAUSE YOU CANT DEFEND YOUR ARGUMENT Hmmmmm?

NOW YOU GO TO ANOTHER BONE-HEAD ISSUE THAT YOU BEEN DECEIVE ABOUT...ONLY A FOOL TEA-PARTY/GOP/REPUBLICAN WOULD SAY SUCH FOOLISHNESS....THIS IS BECAUSE YOU HAVE BEEN BRAIN-WASHED WITH LIES BY YOUR FAMILY AND CHURCHES(THAT DONT FOLLOW THE TEACHING OF CHRIST THEY ACTUALLY DESPISE IT)

July 17, 2013 at 10:37 a.m.
alprova said...

facyspacy wrote: "I don't know the exact percentage, but black people are like 12% of the population. White people are 72% of the population. But they have almost the same amount people on welfare assistance? It's the white mans fault."

And as usual, you totally skim over the number of white people to demonize those who are black. Whatever makes the blacks look in a bad light works for you.

The fact remains that there are more white people receiving assistance than there are black people. But when stereotypes are created in people's minds, which group is the one singled out and stereotyped?

July 17, 2013 at 10:43 a.m.
chet123 said...

HEY FACYSPACY.....CUT TO THE CHASE

ARE YOU TRYING TO SEND SOME TYPE OF SUBLIMNAL MESSAGE???

WHAT YOUR POINT BUUDY....

HAVE A BACK-BONE

July 17, 2013 at 10:44 a.m.
facyspacy said...
  1. While people of color make up about 12.6 percent of the United States’ population, they account for 60 percent of those imprisoned. WHITiE'S FAULT

  2. According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, one in three black men can expect to go to prison in their lifetime. WHITiE'S FAULT

  3. Blacks face harsher punishments in school,leading to a higher number of youth of color incarcerated. Black and Hispanic students represent more than 70 percent of those involved in school-related arrests or referrals to law enforcement. Currently, African Americans make up two-fifths and Hispanics one-fifth of confined youth. WHITiE'S FAULT

  4. According to recent data by the Department of Education, Black students are arrested far more often than their white classmates. The data showed that 96,000 students were arrested and 242,000 referred to law enforcement by schools during the 2009-10 school year. Harsh school punishments, from suspensions to arrests, have led to high numbers of youth of color coming into contact with the juvenile-justice system and at an earlier age. WHITiE'S FAULT

  5. African American youth have higher rates of juvenile incarceration and are more likely to be sentenced to adult prison. WHITiE'S FAULT

  6. As the number of women incarcerated has increased by 800 percent over the last three decades, women of color have been disproportionately represented. While the number of women incarcerated is relatively low, the racial and ethnic disparities are startling. African American women are three times more likely than white women to be incarcerated, WHITiE'S FAULT

  7. The war on drugs has been waged primarily in communities of color where people of color are more likely to receive higher offenses. According to the Human Rights Watch, people of color are no more likely to use or sell illegal drugs than whites, but they have higher rate of arrest. WHITiE'S FAULT

  8. Once convicted, black offenders receive longer sentences compared to white offenders. The U.S. Sentencing Commission stated that in the federal system black offenders receive sentences that are 10 percent longer than white offenders for the same crimes. The Sentencing Project reports that African Americans are 21 percent more likely to receive mandatory-minimum sentences than white defendants and are 20 percent more like to be sentenced to prison. WHITiE'S FAULT

  9. Voter laws that prohibit people with felony convictions to vote disproportionately impact men of color. An estimated 5.3 million Americans are denied the right to vote based on a past felony conviction. WHITiE'S FAULT

  10. Studies have shown that people of color face disparities in wage trajectory following release from prison. Evidence shows that spending time in prison affects wage trajectories with a disproportionate impact on black men and women. The results show no evidence of racial divergence in wages prior to incarceration; WHITiE'S FAULT

July 17, 2013 at 10:45 a.m.
chet123 said...

FACYSPACY

SO KILL THE BLACKS

July 17, 2013 at 10:52 a.m.
chet123 said...

I KNEW YOU WERE HATE DRIVEN

July 17, 2013 at 10:52 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Rev Alpo: Time for you to go sell some creampuffs.

July 17, 2013 at 10:54 a.m.
alprova said...

"According to a recent in-depth study from the Heritage Foundation, "128,818,142 people are enrolled in at least one government program," based on U.S. Census Bureau information, the bulk of which receive one or more benefits considered politically untouchable. That's more like 1 and 3"

Where is the list of all these Government programs?

You really need to read what you quote. That study absolutely includes those who are retired, the working poor who receive Medicaid, Medicare, and TANF, and those who receive higher education subsidies.

It is not a declaration of those who are on welfare.

Go back and read what I wrote. You're simply guilty of posting the right-wing mantra that intentionally skews the facts.

July 17, 2013 at 10:55 a.m.
chet123 said...

NICE TO HEAR YOU CONFESS!!!!

YOU ARE NOW BEING HONEST.......BUT YOU ARE NOT BY YOUR SELF......

THIS IS AMERICA RACIST ATTITUDE.....NOONE MORE RESPONSIBLE THAN THE GOP/REPUBLICANPARTY/TEA-PARTY.....NOT TO LEAVE OUT THE SOUTHERN CHURCHES....WHO BREED THIS ATTITUDE FROM THE PULPIT.....

July 17, 2013 at 10:55 a.m.
facyspacy said...

"And as usual, you totally skim over the number of white people to demonize those who are black. Whatever makes the blacks look in a bad light works for you.

The fact remains that there are more white people receiving assistance than there are black people. But when stereotypes are created in people's minds, which group is the one singled out and stereotyped?" -Alprova

Lets pretend the number of people in the US is 1000 for argument purposes. 12% is black, 7% Asian, 72% white, and 9% other. Alprova said 39% of people on welfare are white, 38% are black. Percentage of people on welfare is 4%. So out of the 1000 people, 40 on welfare. 16 white people and 16 black people on welfare. That's 16/720 people who are white and 16/120 who are black. It is perceived that more black people are on welfare because there are a higher percentage of blacks in their race on welfare. Same thing works for crime except the numbers are more startling

July 17, 2013 at 10:58 a.m.
Maximus said...

Self defense and the stand your ground law are one and the same. Mr. Zimmerman was declared innocent by a jury of his peers. That is how we do it in the United States. It was a fair trial no matter if Alprova and his partner, spoiled military brat, Clay Bennett like hoodies or not. Personally I think Mr. Zimmerman exhibited very strong GUN CONTROL!

My taste in MENS clothing does not include a hoodie. Grow up people and GET A DAMN JOB!

July 17, 2013 at 11 a.m.
alprova said...

facyspacy, your 10:45 am post speaks for itself. I don't know where you lifted it from, but it deserves no response.

Your racial bigotry is now noted for the record.

July 17, 2013 at 11:04 a.m.
facyspacy said...

facyspacy wrote: "Martin came from a broken home."

What does that have to do with a thing? Half of Americans come from broken homes....... Bc I am showing the roots of young African men and why they turn to crime

"Used dugs."

He smoked dope. Big deal..... It is illegal, no matter your opinion

"Owned a gun."

Proof?.... No proof here, It is fact that the pic on his phone of a gun was one he was trying to purchase

"Was in trouble at school."

He was suspended for being tardy, having a screwdriver in his backpack, and for having a pipe with marijuana residue in it...... Good for you

"He had robbed a house."

Proof?..... Was caught with 17 pieces of jewelry, some was wedding jewelry, screwdriver, articles from a house, those items are in lockup at the police station

"He had a history of violence. Been in numerous fights."

That is patently false..... Text messages on his phone about fights he had been in and people's rear ends he had kicked

"Gotta blame the parents"

Gotta blame anyone but the man who killed him, that's for sure...... It was a lawful act

July 17, 2013 at 11:05 a.m.
chet123 said...

400 YEARS OF SLAVERY ---- RICH AND GREEDY AND POOR WHITE HOPE HELP THEM

DRED SCOTT DECISION ----- RICH AND GREEDY AND POOR STUPID WHITE WHO HELP THEM

JIM CROW LAWS --- RICH AND GREEDY AND POOR IGNORANT WHITE WHO HELP THEM

HOW MANY BUBBLES IN A BAR OF SOAP -- RICH AND GREEDY AND POOR IGNORANT WHITES LIKE PLAIN-TRUTH AND FACYSPACY WHO HELP THEM

700,000 DIED IN A WAR OF STATES --- RICH AND GREEDY AND POOR SOUTHERN BAPTIST AND IGNORANT WHITE WHO HELP THEM

INCOME GAP WIDEN BETWEEN RICH AND GREEDY--- RICH AND GREEDY AND POOR STUPID WHITES AS PLAINTRUTH AND FACYSPACY WHO HELP THEM

HEY....I LIKE THIS GAME!!!

YOU TALKING ABOUT PEANUTS....THIS IS BLOOD AND SWEAT...TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN SLAVE LABOR.......FALSE TEACHING THATS INCONSISTENT WITH THE TEACHING OF CHRIST

July 17, 2013 at 11:06 a.m.
facyspacy said...

"facyspacy, your 10:45 am post speaks for itself. I don't know where you lifted it from, but it deserves no response.

Your racial bigotry is now noted for the record." -alp

Far from it my friend. Posting facts, not opinion. I am merely showing you what the media doesn't want you to see. This should be the klan with a tan's punch line. If a black kills a black, oh well. If a white kills a black, he has racism in his heart. And it is always somebody else's fault.

July 17, 2013 at 11:10 a.m.
chet123 said...

THANK GOD FOR SENSIBLE WHITES...AND THE YOUNG GENERATIONS....THESE OLD HATRED-GEEZERS(LIKE PLAINTRUTH,FACYSPACY,JONESES) TIME AND HISTORY WILL DEFINE THEM

July 17, 2013 at 11:11 a.m.
alprova said...

facyspacy wrote: "It is perceived that more black people are on welfare because there are a higher percentage of blacks in their race on welfare. Same thing works for crime except the numbers are more startling"

Crime numbers are not all that startling, when you look at the overall numbers. You are just as likely to be a victim of crime by a white person as you are one who is black.

Can we at least agree that stereotyping based on percentages of any race can be largely unfair?

Everyone is an individual, and they deserved to be judged as such.

Throwing everyone who is of a certain race into the same box of judgment is highly prejudicial and it can be quite ridiculous.

There is no evidence to support any fact that most black people are criminals or prone to committing a crime, just as there is no evidence to support any assertion that most blacks are on welfare.

July 17, 2013 at 11:12 a.m.
facyspacy said...

"Can we at least agree that stereotyping based on percentages of any race can be largely unfair" -alp

I can. Is it un fair? I don't think so. The percentages are facts. If I tell you 70% of Asian people commit rape. Your wife (husband) runs into 10 Asian men. If it unfair for her to think there is a chance 7 of them could rape her? A higher percentage of the African American people commit crimes. Fact. Is it unfair to think that? That's an opinion topic.

July 17, 2013 at 11:18 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Chet123; GO ON BACK TO YOUR ONLINE LAW SCHOOL AND DROP THE CHARADE.

July 17, 2013 at 11:18 a.m.
alprova said...

The way you presented it and altered it, absolutely proves you to be a racial bigot.

You might be more credible if you had selected another source for your presentation.

From that very article of facts...

"Theses racial disparities have deprived people of color of their most basic civil rights, making criminal-justice reform the civil rights issue of our time."

"Through mass imprisonment and the over-representation of individuals of color within the criminal justice and prison system, people of color have experienced an adverse impact on themselves and on their communities from barriers to reintegrating into society to engaging in the democratic process."

July 17, 2013 at 11:19 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Car lot closed today, Rev Al?

July 17, 2013 at 11:20 a.m.
jesse said...

Spacy, they ain't FACTS till Al says so!

When it comes to FACTS he has a LOCK ON THE BOARD!!

The absolute BEST was to stay out of the penal system is to quit robbin,stealin, dealin, killin folks and bein a generally low life!

Black or white!!

July 17, 2013 at 11:20 a.m.
facyspacy said...

There is no evidence to support any fact that most black people are criminals or prone to committing a crime, just as there is no evidence to support any assertion that most blacks are on welfare." -alp

Not most blacks area on welfare. The race has a higher percentage of people who use it. They make up 12% of the population yet that have the one of the highest percentages of people using it.... I think you said 38%

July 17, 2013 at 11:22 a.m.
facyspacy said...

The way you presented it and altered it, absolutely proves you to be a racial bigot.

Posting only allows 3000 characters. I had to cut 1/3 of I out. But I think you got the point when you read it. Just shows you to be like the media. Disregard facts to stir the pot

July 17, 2013 at 11:24 a.m.
chet123 said...

11:06AM ...FACYSPACY....I DONT HAVE TO GO TO RIGHT-WING LIES....THIS IS COMMON KNOWLEDGE.....

IF YOU WANT TO STARVE CHILDREN..HA HA HA THATS YOU PROBLEMS

YOU TALK PEANUT....SO KILL THE BLACKS....HA HA HA HA HA

YOU ARE LOSING THE WAR BUDDY......A LARGE PERCENTAGE AND BLACK AND WHITES IN THIS COUNTRY HAVE ALREADY STARTED FAMILY TOGETHER(MAKE YOU MAD DONT IT) HA HA HA HA HA.....

I KNEW YOU HAD A HATE MOTIVE FROM THE BEGINNING...HA HA HA

I TRICK YOUR DUMB-BUTT INTO CONFESSING IT HA HA HA HA HA!

July 17, 2013 at 11:25 a.m.
facyspacy said...

chet123 said... FACYSPACY

SO KILL THE BLACKS

July 17, 2013 at 10:52 a.m. permalink suggest removal

Not interested Chet, they do a good job of that themselves

July 17, 2013 at 11:28 a.m.
conservative said...

jjmez,

Rather than read the comments of Liberals and especially the bloviators, I simply do a "find" search to see if anyone addresses me with a serious comment.

I find some value in yours.

You wrote: "If you watch based on race and race alone {and many of these NHW groups do), that's racial profiling, and it's wrong"

If you used the word "wrong" to mean morally wrong then I agree and applaud you, especially if you are a Liberal. So few Liberals speak about morality.

Now, if you meant "wrong" in a legal sense I am totally unaware of any such law for a neighborhood watch program. Watching can not or should not be against the law. How could the "wrong" kind of watching even be determined?

You then wrote "It all depends on what you interpret as a suspicious person in the area."

However, I purposely said "activity" which applies to everyone.

ANY stranger should be scrutinized in a watch program. Agree?

July 17, 2013 at 11:31 a.m.
jjmez said...

facypacy said: Martin came from a broken home. Used dugs. Owned a gun. Was in trouble at school. He had robbed a house. He had been suspended from school. He had a history of violence. Been in numerous fights. Gotta blame the parents


(1.) Martin came from a broken home. Your point?

____Ans: And two local families who were murdered by their children, in one case the parents were dismembered, came from traditionally two-parent, upper-middle-classed white families.

(2.) Used dug?

__ Ans: We'll assume you meant drugs.. So did George Zimmerman. He was also taking some pretty powerful, mind altering medications. Ones whose side-effects are known to cause aggression and paranoia.

(3.) Owned a gun?

_Ans: There's no proof Martin owned a gun. But what if he had? So did Zimmerman (who because of his violent history and criminal record, one on a police officer should have never been allowed to legally own a gun, let alone a sealed carry permit. Any-who, So do most children of lots of gun rights nuts own guns. They own them as young as 5 and 6 years of age.

(4.) Got in trouble @ school?

_Ans: So do most kids. Remember, SROs are arresting children for shaping their pop-tarts to look like guns. They're arresting children for writing on their desks, spraying perfume on their own bodies. School are suspending students for wearing a white shirt on a blue shirt day. Wrong colored shoes. Wearing a T-Shirt that say they support the NRA (that last one should really piss you off). In today's America* you're not a true AMERICAN unless you've accumulated at least one arrest during your lifetime. The only ones who don't have an arrest record today are likely those who've only recently migrated here from some other country.

(5.) He had robbed a house?

_ooooOOOhh-eeeeEEE, you're really stretching on that one, ch'ile. You must have picked that lie up on some rightwingNUT hate group website.

(6.) He had been suspended from school.

____Ans: See number 4.

(7.) He had a history of violence.

__You're confusing Martin with Zimmerman. Zimmerman who was arrested in 2005 on a charge of domestic violence. Who was charged with assault on a law enforcement officer. Who was accused of molesting a child whose family were either friends or related to the Zimmermans. Was fired as a security guard after he picked up a woman, tossed her across the room, breaking her ankle. Who other described as a Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde type personality. Calm one minute, in a rage the next. Who a co-worker of middle-eastern descent described Zimmerman as someone who often harassed him on the job and made fun of his middle-eastern accent and ethnicity.

(8.) Been in numerous fights

____ See numbers 7.

Keep Trying. You might just luck up and stumble onto something that doesn't make you out to look a complete FOOL!

July 17, 2013 at 11:32 a.m.
alprova said...

facyspacy wrote: "Bc I am showing the roots of young African men and why they turn to crime"

I come from a broken home and I have never been arrested for a crime in my entire life. I'm sure that is very true for most all other Americans who come from broken homes.

"It is illegal, no matter your opinion"

Most Americans are opposed to marijuana being illegal.

Re: "Owned a gun."

"Proof?.... No proof here, It is fact that the pic on his phone of a gun was one he was trying to purchase"

Please...point me to proof of that "fact."

"Text messages on his phone about fights he had been in and people's rear ends he had kicked"

Ditto. Point me to the PROOF...not some site that makes that claim.

"It was a lawful act"

You're free to believe what you wish, but I am quite certain that when he meets with God, the outcome of that trial will be far different.

July 17, 2013 at 11:32 a.m.

Chet, Martin was much bigger than GZ. GZ may way 220 pounds now after sitting on his ass in his house for a few months, but not then. Martin was well over 6'. It doesn't matter what you say, the facts and evidence show that Martin was committing felony assault on GZ, on top of him.

I love how the bigot and race card gets pulled on anyone who does not agree with lefties on here, or anywhere. "The black community" in this country deserves plenty of criticism, and pointing out those things shouldn't destroy someone or make them a target for smearing. They should be treated the same as anyone else. Pulling out the slavery card to excuse anti-social behavior doesn't cut it.

July 17, 2013 at 11:36 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

No arrests, ALPO? But what you have done is create a false legend on this forum and stick to it.

July 17, 2013 at 11:40 a.m.
facyspacy said...

Alprova has an echo.... Jimez.....you said the same thing bud. Have any of you not seen the released images and text messages from martins phone?

And jimez, why didn't the FBI find information about racism, but some clown in Chattanooga can prove Zimmerman was a racist? Bozo

July 17, 2013 at 11:41 a.m.
facyspacy said...

Still no one has touched my post about 376 murders in Chicago last year were blacks killing blacks. The city had a total of 506 murders last year. That's 75% of the murders committed were black on black. Where is sharp ton.? Where is Obama? Or am I being a racist bigot? The only group with the racism problem is the Koloured Klan, the NAACP

July 17, 2013 at 11:48 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

facys: Because the left only wants to see one side . Otherwise, it doesn't fit their narrative for racial division.

July 17, 2013 at 11:48 a.m.
chet123 said...

ZABLEEDOFIST.....YOU AE A MIXED-UP MAN.....THAT WAS A 300LBS MAN ON TRIAL.....

IN THE SHOOTING GEORGEZ WAS 220LBS

TRAVON WAS 158LBS ...ANTOPOSY PROVED THAT....

YOUR MAN GEORGE HAD A 70LBS ADVANTAGE

AND PROFESSIONAL TRAINNING IN A GYM

AND HE WAS A MAN....TRAVON WAS A SHINNY BOY

13 YEARS ADVANTAGE OVER THE BOY

July 17, 2013 at 11:49 a.m.
chet123 said...

ZABLEE....GET YOUR LIES STRAIGHT.....THIS FORUM IS OPEN TO THE WORLD BUDDY.....

YOU CANT GET AWAY WITH A LIE.....PEOPLE FACT CHECK YOU AND I

July 17, 2013 at 11:50 a.m.
degage said...

Al, do you know what assume means. ( makes an azz out of u and me) You assume to much about what a person thinks re: your 9:23 post. How you got to welfare from the post I made is mind boggling. Just trying to make a fool out of yourself?

You said "You are probably" You don't have any idea what I think about the subject. You just write things that suit your ideals and to hell with the truth.

July 17, 2013 at 11:51 a.m.
chet123 said...

INFORM YOUR BUDDIES SO THEY WONT MAKE A FOOL OUT OF THEMSELVES

July 17, 2013 at 11:52 a.m.
chet123 said...

DEGAGE:

HELLO DEGAGE....SEE YOU STILL BEING A RACIST!!! HA HA HA OOP! I FORGOT....BLACK PEOPLE NOT SUPPOSE TO CALL YOU OUT ON IT!!!

July 17, 2013 at 11:57 a.m.
alprova said...

zab wrote: "Chet, Martin was much bigger than GZ. GZ may way 220 pounds now after sitting on his ass in his house for a few months, but not then. Martin was well over 6'."

On the night that this happened, Zimmerman was 5'7" tall and he weighed around 200 pounds. Trayvon was 5'11" and he weighed 158 pounds.

"It doesn't matter what you say, the facts and evidence show that Martin was committing felony assault on GZ, on top of him."

There is no evidence or facts that conclusively prove either.

"I love how the bigot and race card gets pulled on anyone who does not agree with lefties on here, or anywhere."

You and some others are the ones perpetuating that the trial was racially motivated. You can certainly explain why black people were outraged, but you can't explain why people like me are.

"The black community" in this country deserves plenty of criticism, and pointing out those things shouldn't destroy someone or make them a target for smearing."

Any criticism you have to offer will forever and a day come from a white person's point of view. You have no idea what they have been through or what they continue to go through as a black person.

"They should be treated the same as anyone else. Pulling out the slavery card to excuse anti-social behavior doesn't cut it."

Congratulations. You're the first person I am aware of that inserted slavery into this conversation.

You're hopeless.

July 17, 2013 at 11:58 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Rev Alpo says "Any criticism you have to offer will forever and a day come from a white person's point of view. You have no idea what they have been through or what they continue to go through as a black person." And you do, Rev Al?

July 17, 2013 at 12:02 p.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "But what you have done is create a false legend on this forum and stick to it."

Beotch...puhhleeezzz....so you found my Facebook page.

July 17, 2013 at 12:02 p.m.
chet123 said...

WHERE ARE THE HATERS....DONT TELL ME THEY RUNNING LIKE COWARDS....WHERE THE CONDONERS OF THE CHILD KILLER......

BY THE WAY...WHERE ARE THE PRO-LIFERS HA HA HA HA!!!

July 17, 2013 at 12:03 p.m.
alprova said...

facyspacy wrote: "Have any of you not seen the released images and text messages from martins phone?"

Nope. Post a credible link to them.

July 17, 2013 at 12:05 p.m.
chet123 said...

PLAIN-TRUTH IS DENNIS....THIS BOZO HAVE ABOUT 4 NAMES....WHEN I SMOKE HIM OUT HE USE TO CHANGE NAMES.......HA HA HA HA ....THESE BOZO DONT REALLY BELEIVE IN THERE HEART WHAT THEY SAY.....HA HA HA!

July 17, 2013 at 12:05 p.m.
facyspacy said...

Chet, you are the liar

Zimmerman's height is reportedly 5′7″ (1.70 m); and his weight is recorded as being 185 lb (84 kg) on his Seminole County Sheriff's Office Inmate Booking Information dated April 11, 2012, the date of his arrest. Zimmerman's height is shown as 5′8″ (1.73 m); and his weight at 200 lb (91 kg) on the Sanford Police Department Offense Report for February 26, 2012, the night of the shooting. And he was 28 years old

July 17, 2013 at 12:07 p.m.
chet123 said...

FACYSPACY:

YOU GOT TO BE AN OLD GEEZER FROM THE 1940'S SAY IMPLY THAT GROUND TO KILL A TEENAGER.....

HOPE YOU DONT HAVE GRANDCHILDREN OR GREAT-GRANDCHILDREN

July 17, 2013 at 12:07 p.m.
facyspacy said...

Chet.... Nope, you like to over exaggerate the facts.... And you still don't make a point. You sound like Sharptons father

July 17, 2013 at 12:11 p.m.
chet123 said...

FACYSPACY.....MY DRIVER LINC.WEIGHT IS 50LBS OFF

DONT PLAY GAMES BUDDY....ZIMMERSOM HAD A LARGE WEIGHT ADVANTAGE OVER A 158LBS BOY

THAT WHY IN BOXING THEY SEPARATE THE WEIGHT INTO CLASS......ZIMMERSON WOULD HAVE A LARGE ADVANTAGE...AND HE WAS PROFESSIONALLY TRAINED

July 17, 2013 at 12:12 p.m.
chet123 said...

YOU RIGHT-WING NUT SURE DO FEAR SHARPTON DONT YOU HA HA HA!

July 17, 2013 at 12:13 p.m.
chet123 said...

SHAPTON DONT HAVE A GREAT LEGAL MIND....BUT HE HAS A BIG MOUTH....A BIG MOUTH THATS EXPOSE YOUR LIES...HA HA HA HA

IF YOU WANT TO GET RID OF SHARPTON.....STOP LYING...STOP LYING!!

July 17, 2013 at 12:14 p.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "Rev Alpo says "Any criticism you have to offer will forever and a day come from a white person's point of view. You have no idea what they have been through or what they continue to go through as a black person."

"And you do, Rev Al?"

No, I do not know what it is to be black, but I do have the common sense, the wisdom, and enough Republican idealism still within me to realize the every person is an individual, and that stereotyping anyone based on appearance alone is more often than not a mistake.

July 17, 2013 at 12:15 p.m.
facyspacy said...

No games Chet, get your facts straight. He wasn't a 300 lb white guy, he was a 5'7" 200 lb Hispanic

July 17, 2013 at 12:15 p.m.
degage said...

CHET123, YOU ARE SUCH A SWEETHEART!

July 17, 2013 at 12:16 p.m.

The jury has spoken, folks. GZ is free and thanks to the slanderous or libelous media who were so desperate to label GZ a racist, he'll become a rich man. He'll win lawsuits, and you can keep on gnashing your teeth in frustration because he was found not guilty and he's not a racist to boot. Move on, please. My advice to the "black community" and it's "leaders" is get your own house in order before you attack and blame everyone else. Don't judge someone by their color, but by their actions. Stop blaming "whitey" for everything at this point in history.

July 17, 2013 at 12:17 p.m.
chet123 said...

ZIMMERSON WEIGHT ADVANTAGE MADE IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR THE SKINNY MARTIN TO ATTACK HIM FAT BUTT.....

THE JURY WILL UNRAVEL FROM ALL THE LIES IT WAS SOLD.....THEY WILL START TALKING....THE TRUTH WILL EVENUALLY COME OUT!!

July 17, 2013 at 12:19 p.m.
chet123 said...

ZABLEEDOFISTRIX:

PEOPLE LIKE YOU SAID THAT AT THE EMMIT TILL TRIAL ALSO

July 17, 2013 at 12:21 p.m.
alprova said...

Regardless of the advantage either one of them had, we all know that the evidence presented in court was that George Zimmerman was a "soft, fat man who didn't know how to throw a punch."

If there is one thing that will follow him throughout the rest of his life, it is that there is a judicial record that the man is a complete wussy who took out a gun to win a fistfight.

July 17, 2013 at 12:21 p.m.

The problem in this country is the division caused by the media and the left.
"black americans", "hispanic americans", "asian americans", "mexican americans, it's all bull$&^%. I'm not an "irish american", I'm just an American. Get rid of the hyphens and we'll all be better off. Screw the nuancing of everything, which is what you lefties love to do.

July 17, 2013 at 12:22 p.m.
chet123 said...

AND AT THE MISSISSIPPI 3 MURDER CIVIL RIGHT TRIAL

July 17, 2013 at 12:22 p.m.
chet123 said...

HEY ZABLEE....THE MEDIAS ARE CORPORATE BUDDY.........FOX OWNED BY RICH AND GREEDY...THEY DUMB DOWN PEOPLE LIKE YOU....

July 17, 2013 at 12:24 p.m.
alprova said...

Zab wrote: "The problem in this country is the division caused by the media and the left. "black americans", "hispanic americans", "asian americans", "mexican americans, it's all bull$&^%. I'm not an "irish american", I'm just an American. Get rid of the hyphens and we'll all be better off."

Why should you or anyone else care if people like to attach their nationality or race to describe themselves?

Just because you don't like it does not mean that everyone should bow to your demands.

July 17, 2013 at 12:28 p.m.

Trayvon Martin on top of GZ punching him has nothing to do with what happened during slave days, or in Mississippi a long time ago. The four children who were shot in Chicago over the last couple of weeks, black children, shot by young black men, has nothing to do with slavery or what happpened in Mississippi a long time ago. Take responsibility for your own actions.

July 17, 2013 at 12:30 p.m.
Maximus said...

Valarie Jarret, Eric Holder, Barrack Obama, and for most living in the past liberals........A WET DREAM WOULD BE:

Race riots in the streets of every American city. Fire hoses and dogs being used against the rioting blacks in the streets. Sound familiar? Yes....a return to the 1960's. Too bad most blacks will be at Wal-Mart using their EBT cards to buy chips and beer. Hello people....no one cares about Zimmerman trial. Only those who make their living off of race baiting, including Eric Holder, give a crap.

July 17, 2013 at 12:30 p.m.
Maximus said...

Wal Mart a GREAT stock to buy! IT IS WHERE OBAMA VOTERS SPEND THEIR EBT MONEY! CASH IN NOW!

July 17, 2013 at 12:33 p.m.
alprova said...

zableedofisterix, Would you like to have a contest to see who can dig up the most examples of news stories, with pictures to prove it, of deaths caused by individuals who are of one race or the other?

I'll bet I'll find more white people who have killed white people than you will find blacks who killed blacks or whites.

July 17, 2013 at 12:34 p.m.
alprova said...

Les wrote: "According to Jentel's comments on CNN Treyvon thought Zimmerman was a gay rapist. Treyvon was obviously a homophobe."

Could you be any more pathetic?

When Trayvon told her that Zimmerman was following him, SHE was the one who told Trayvon that the guy might be a rapist.

IT DOES HAPPEN.

I suspect however, that it has never been a problem for you, for obvious reasons.

July 17, 2013 at 12:37 p.m.
chet123 said...

NOW YOU CRYING OUT DIVISION AND RACE

EARLEIR YOU SAID THERE WERE NO RACISM..HA HA HA HA HA HA

RACISM IS A TOOL THE RICH AND GREEDY USE TO CONFUSE PEOPLE LIKE YOU AND PLAINTRUTH....THE RICH AND GREEDY BENIFITS FROM OUR DIVISIONS......THEY DONT GIVE A HOOT ABOUT YOU MY GOOD BUDDY....THE RICH AND GREEDY IS THE ONLY BENEFICARY.....DIDNT YOU LEARN ANYTHING FROM THE WAR OF THE STATE.....THE RICH AND GREEDY IN THE SOUTH WAS THE BIG BENEFICIARY....POOR SOUTHERN WHITE WAS INDENTURE SERVANTS...THEY HAD NO GAIN BUT TO BE BRAIN-WASH THAT THEY WERE BETTER THAN BLACK BECAUSE THEY WERE FALSELY TOLD BLACK WAS 3/4 HUMAN...HA HA HA HA....

THE SOUTHERN CHURCHES CONLUDED WITH THAT LIE....THAT WHY THEY ARE SILENCE....THEY WILL NOT ENGAGE WITH ME...BECAUSE I HAVE THEIR NUMBER(CHRIST SAID WHEN THE SALT LOOSE ITS SAVOR...ITS GOOD FOR NOTHING,,,NOTHING,,,NOTHING BUT TO BE TRAMPLE ON BY THE FEET OF MAN....DESPITE THE LARGE BUILDING...THIS IS THE SOUTHERN BAPTIST CHURCH.....

July 17, 2013 at 12:41 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Sharpton should be arresting for inciting insurrection. A hideous American.

July 17, 2013 at 12:42 p.m.
alprova said...

Maximyth wrote: "Too bad most blacks will be at Wal-Mart using their EBT cards to buy chips and beer."

Not only is that a provably false statement, it is a classic stereotypical comment from a very typical racial bigot.

If there ever was a reason to disbelieve your claim to be a black man, there it is.

You clearly have not an ounce of shame.

July 17, 2013 at 12:43 p.m.
chet123 said...

JONROSS...WHAT AND WHO IS ZIMMERSON????Hmmmm?? WHY DIDNT THEY TEST HIS BLOOD...Hmmmm? SEE THEY GAVE HIM OVER 30DAYS TO CLEAR HIS BLOOD...WHAT WAS HE ON????

July 17, 2013 at 12:49 p.m.
chet123 said...

WHY DID THEY COVER-UP ZIMMERSON HAVING RESTRAINING ORDER TAKEN OUT AGAINST HIM OR HIS RUN IN WITH THE POLICE Hmmmm??

July 17, 2013 at 12:51 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Rev Alpo: If chet123HA can claim to be a black man, Max can too.

July 17, 2013 at 12:51 p.m.
chet123 said...

FOX NEWS EXALTED ZIMMERSON AS A SAINT....A VICTIM......THIS IS WHY YOU CANT TALK THE TRUTH WITH FOX VEINERS....THEY HAVE BEEN DUMB DOWN...AND THEY ALL GOOSE-STEP TOGETHER LIKE A HERD OF HORSES FOLLOWING A STALLION OFF THE CLIFF OF A MOUNTAIN

July 17, 2013 at 12:55 p.m.
chet123 said...

PLAINTRUTH...I KNOW WHO YOU ARE WITH THAT SANTA CLAUS BEARD OF YOUR ON THAT UGLY FACE

LET NOT GET PERSONAL....STAY ON THE TOPIC BUDDY

July 17, 2013 at 12:57 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Yeah, and I know who you are, fraud man.

July 17, 2013 at 1:03 p.m.
chet123 said...

HA HA HA HA HA

LISTEN TO ALL THE DISCLAIMERS OF RACISM.....MAKING THEIR RACIST STATEMENTS...HA HA HA HA HA

July 17, 2013 at 1:03 p.m.
chet123 said...

PLAINTRUTH IS GOING TO PLAN B(THATS WHEN YOUR DUMB-BUTT BEEN DWARF BY A SUPERIOR MIND...AND YOU GO INTO A COMIC ROUTINE)

July 17, 2013 at 1:06 p.m.
alprova said...

Chet123 wrote: "WHY DID THEY COVER-UP ZIMMERSON HAVING RESTRAINING ORDER TAKEN OUT AGAINST HIM OR HIS RUN IN WITH THE POLICE Hmmmm??"

To be perfectly fair, the order of protection against George Zimmerman was in retaliation for an order of protection that he took out against his girlfriend at the time.

They were both dismissed in court, if my memory serves me correctly.

July 17, 2013 at 1:13 p.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote "Rev Alpo: If chet123HA can claim to be a black man, Max can too."

I have no reason to doubt that Chet is not black. Do you?

July 17, 2013 at 1:15 p.m.
alprova said...

Les wrote: "The fact that Trey used the term "cracker" proves beyond any doubt that he had a racist streak in him. So Trey was both homophobic and racist."

There is nothing at all indicative that someone is a racist when using the term "cracker."

Learn the definition of racism: "The inherent belief that one race is superior, intellectually or physically, to that of another race."

Did Trayvon have a reason to dislike or to fear those of another race? Only he can answer that, and the boy is dead.

Try to work up a little respect for the dead, if you are capable of it.

July 17, 2013 at 1:23 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Yeah, Rev Al, I have great doubts that Chet is black. I'm going with either Easy or the Toon-boy. HAHAHAHA

July 17, 2013 at 1:32 p.m.
alprova said...

Les wrote: "Over 6,000 Blacks were murdered last year, over 90% by other blacks, and there is no discussion about that fact within the race baiting community."

How do you know what is discussed between black leaders or between their followers for that matter? The fact of the matter is that you are full of horse squeeze;

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/07/16/1224031/-Yeah-and-about-that-Black-on-Black-Crime-Thing#

"Add that to the 70% rate of bastardy within the Black community and you have a culture in collapse that may never recover."

There are more lily white bastards in this country than there are blacks. 540,000 to 369,000, or thereabouts.

OMG!!! The white culture is in free fall.

July 17, 2013 at 1:38 p.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "Yeah, Rev Al, I have great doubts that Chet is black. I'm going with either Easy or the Toon-boy"

Chet's been around a lot longer than you have, off and on of course, but I'm sure the man is what he says he is.

July 17, 2013 at 1:40 p.m.
degage said...

PT, I don't think it is easy but Chet123 did take over when Easy disappeared along with Al. the only difference with Al is the only nasty names he has used is moron and not very often. He has become more opinionated than usual, which makes one think of Easy. As for Chet he is as annoying as easy was and he has nothing smart or important to say. I don't think he is black either.

July 17, 2013 at 1:44 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Pure conjecture or your part, Rev Al.

BTW Rev, speaking of horse squeeze. You are the one living a false legend on here.

July 17, 2013 at 1:45 p.m.
limric said...

Unable to factually argue the merits of the case ‘against’ George Zimmerman come the inevitable hyperbole to amplify injustices suffered outside of the case; be they real, imagined, historic or current; to demand, not a fair trial, but a guilty verdict - PERIOD. The facts be damned.

While I find it eye opening, it isn’t that surprising; and scene from 'Monty Python & The Holy Grail' strangely comes to mind. Hmm...but I digress.

However Chet,

Using Al Sharpton as an example of a standard bearer of black leadership to be feared - to be taken seriously, especially in this case is a fool’s errand.

Al Sharpton is a racist vampire, a charlatan, an extortionist, a serial liar, an anti-Semite and the driving force behind turning the Zimmerman case into an indictment of all white Americans.

It is Sharptons -- idiom.

Considering Sharpton’s involvement in the Zimmerman case, which consists of once again fomenting racial hatred (yes I said hatred) without a shred of evidence that any exists, I am left to wonder how associating yourself with the likes of him doesn’t strain your credibility.

July 17, 2013 at 1:58 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

a rare agreement with the limmer.

July 17, 2013 at 2:01 p.m.
jesse said...

First order of buis, to get your credibility strained??

Ya gotta muster up some credibility!

Chet has a way to go !

July 17, 2013 at 2:05 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

...something's happening here, what it is ain't exactly clear.🎶

July 17, 2013 at 2:08 p.m.
jesse said...

"There's a man w/a gun over there a tellin me i got to beware"

July 17, 2013 at 2:12 p.m.
chet123 said...

DEGAGE...SEE YOU TALKING BEHIND MY BACK....WHAT WRONG COWARDS

July 17, 2013 at 2:16 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Chetster: You are a very intimidating fellow!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

July 17, 2013 at 2:23 p.m.
limric said...

Did someone really say that a "Civil Rights investigation should be directed toward the behavior of Treyvon"? ---- A dead teenager.

As Noah(Bill Cosby)said to God - RRRIGHHTTT!!

Whoo boy!!

To quote my avatar: "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro."

July 17, 2013 at 2:24 p.m.
chet123 said...

SEE THE JACKALS ARE OUT....CONSOLING EACH OTHER!!!

July 17, 2013 at 2:27 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

That Chet....portraying the life of VICTIM. What a dolt.

July 17, 2013 at 2:31 p.m.
chet123 said...

CIVIL RIGHT INVESTIGATION SHOULD BE DIRECTED TOWARD TREYVON MARTIN .......JON ROSS THIS IS FUNNY TO YOU....BE CAREFUL BUDDY....YOU CRY LIKE A BABY WHEN MICHAEL VICKS KILL THOSE DOGS(SCAVENGER)TO YOU DOGS ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN A CHILD LIFE.......

I DONT HAVE TO SAY IT...BUT YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MAKES YOU???

July 17, 2013 at 2:32 p.m.
chet123 said...

SEE THESE JACKALS CANT STAY ON TOPIC

July 17, 2013 at 2:33 p.m.
chet123 said...

THESE ARE TEA-PARTY/GOP/REPUBLICANS ...HA HA HA HA...THIS IS WHY OBAMA IS PRESIDENT....NOBODY LIKE THIS PARTY!!!

July 17, 2013 at 2:34 p.m.
chet123 said...

THIS PARTY WILL LOSE THE HOUSE NEXT ELECTIONS...

July 17, 2013 at 2:37 p.m.
chet123 said...

I'M SO PROUD TO BE A DEMOCRAT!!!

July 17, 2013 at 2:51 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

You should be proud, Chet. You are the perfect democrat.

July 17, 2013 at 3:20 p.m.
chet123 said...

USUALLY WHEN THIS BUNCH CANT OUT POINT ME...THEY TRY TO HAVE ME CENSURE....

THANKS TIMESFREEPRESS FOR PROTECTING THE FIRST AMENMENT(FREEDOM OF SPEECH) OF THE CONSTITUTION

July 17, 2013 at 3:31 p.m.
jjmez said...

facyspacy said... Still no one has touched my post about 376 murders in Chicago last year were blacks killing blacks. The city had a total of 506 murders last year. That's 75% of the murders committed were black on black. Where is sharp ton.?

OK, I'll bite. First and foremost, any killing of another human being is a tragedy. Whether it's one or 376. Those individuals will be arrested, charged, prosecuted and sent to prison. In the case of Zimmerman, that didn't happen. The system failed. The outrage isn't as much about what Zimmerman did, murdered an unarmed teen because he was losing the fight, but what the system failed to do. And trying to convince others the jurors were just following Florida's law won't fly. As there have been similar cases in Florida where the Castle Doctrine and SYG law should have worked on behalf of the shooter, and the jurors convicted those individuals. Florida's Castle Doctrine and SYG law appear to only work in favor of the shooter depending upon the race of the victim and the race of the shooter.

July 17, 2013 at 3:32 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Like who did that, Chet? Victim again?

July 17, 2013 at 3:34 p.m.
jjmez said...

JonRoss said...

Jenitalia also told CNN, which we all saw live, that Trey whoop assed Zimmerman. I thought that was exactly what DID NOT happen according to the race baiting prosecution.

But it couldn't have happened. He was a sweet little skittle munching colored boy. BS.

If you or a child of yours ever find yourselves in a situation where you're forced to fight for your life, hopefully you'll whoop ass too. No matter how sweet you are.

Hiker Meredith Emerson put up a dam/N good fight for her life when she was kidnapped on New Years Day back in 2008 while hiking on a trail in Georgia. She was brutally raped, tortured, murdered, dismembered by 61 year old drifter, Gary Michael Hilton. If I recall, he cut off her head. So you can make jokes about Martin putting up the fight for his life, although he lost his life in the end. But just remember there are others out there you'd be the first to want to pass out purple hearts and medals of courage to, and set up scholarship funds in their memory if they'd done the same thing. You'd be the first to call them a hero or she-ro. You'd be the first to say anyone in a similar situation would have done the same thing. Fight for their lives

denverpost:

http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site36/2008/0106/20080106_122745_cd06hiker.jpg

July 17, 2013 at 3:42 p.m.
jjmez said...

JonRoss said...

no jjmez most of the black murderers in Chicago are not arrested and not brought to justice.

That's not true, and you know it, johnboy. Like any crime, regardless of color, only when the suspect isn't caught are they not arrested or brought to justice.

July 17, 2013 at 3:45 p.m.
facyspacy said...

CNN Credible? http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/23/justice/florida-zimmerman-defense/index.html I can also give you one from NY Times and Orlando Sentinel.... Are they credible Alprove?

July 17, 2013 at 3:45 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Plain Truth I'm looking for a good one owner used car so do you know where I may find one.

July 17, 2013 at 4:07 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Jt: Sure. In Rossville. From the "CPA".

July 17, 2013 at 4:13 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

Zimmerman may be free, but his life will never be the same. He will likely never be a neighborhood watchman ever again, and that is a good thing. He clearly sucked at it.

That’s O.K. as after he collects on all of his lawsuits he can hire his own watchman

I pray that every time he closes his eyes, he sees Trayvon Martin's face at the moment he shot him, and I hope he never gets another good night's sleep for the rest of his life.

It appears that every time you close your eyes you see Zimmerman walking out of the courtroom an innocent and free man

Of course, if he doesn't have a conscience, he probably sleeps just fine.

I would say he sleeps very well and with great satisfaction that he was exonerated in his actions no matter the great forces that gathered to railroad him into prison

Hallelujah !! for the law and the justice system

July 17, 2013 at 4:20 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

I don't know what to make of all these violent white people;

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2013/07/16/bay-area-musician-attacked-after-dedicating-song-to-trayvon-martin/

You know that it’s odd the articles about this attack never offer any facts or details of how this was a race induced crime due to the Zimmerman trial.

July 17, 2013 at 4:23 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

PT Do you have a name?

July 17, 2013 at 4:24 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

jjmez said...

"TODAY I AM ASHAMED TO BE AN AMERICAN" - david simon

If I were a person of color in Florida, I would pick up a brick and start walking toward that courthouse in Sanford.

Do you have the same sentiment? If so you deserve no consideration for your point of view or the protection of the law from the consequence of your actions. Go ahead and pick up that brick and maybe someone will solve your un-American attitude for you. You and society will both be better off for it.

July 17, 2013 at 4:34 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Jt: Shoot me an email at oleteej@hotmail.com

July 17, 2013 at 4:35 p.m.
AndrewLohr said...

Recycling is easier than drawing?

TM's death was a tragedy (even if he did think GZ was a "gay" rapist, as Rush Limbaugh has been saying the last couple days).

But was it in itself a racist tragedy? Whatever happened up to the moment GZ pulled the trigger, would GZ not have pulled the trigger if TM had been white? If so, then it wasn't racist between TM and GZ, whatever race hustlers like Al Sharpton and our President--Eric Holder's boss--have made of it elsewhere. Again, if both GZ and TM had been black and the same events had happened, would a black GZ have pulled the trigger? If so, it wasn't racist between them, though the drive-by media have made a racist horrer flick later on.

July 17, 2013 at 4:42 p.m.
jjmez said...

jt6, you forgot to include the remainder David Simon's quote.

"Those that do not, those that hold the pain and betrayal inside and somehow manage to resist violence — these citizens are testament to a stoic tolerance that is more than the rest of us deserve. I confess, their patience and patriotism is well beyond my own.

You're such the hypocrite with your double standards. You can stop it with your misquotes and purposely taking things out of context to suit your warped sense of right and wrong. It makes everything you say irrelevant. You deserve no protection for your own words or actions.

July 17, 2013 at 4:44 p.m.
jjmez said...

andy said:

But was it in itself a racist tragedy? Whatever happened up to the moment GZ pulled the trigger, would GZ not have pulled the trigger if TM had been white? If so, then it wasn't racist between TM and GZ, whatever race hustlers like Al Sharpton and our President--Eric Holder's boss--have made of it elsewhere. Again, if both GZ and TM had been black and the same events had happened, would a black GZ have pulled the trigger? If so, it wasn't racist between them, though the drive-by media have made a racist horrer flick later on

You have a lot of ifs in there, andy. If all your ifs were stars you'd be a galaxy.

July 17, 2013 at 4:52 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

jjmez it was your link to that writer so you must have agreement with him or you would not have done so. I only quoted his sentiments about this case and indirectly yours as well.

July 17, 2013 at 5:14 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

I have a problem with anyone who commits violence.

Then you have a definite problem with TM actions?

You and others tend to look at the roughly three quarters of a million black people who are in prison for various offenses, but have you ever taken a look at the number of black people who are attending schools of higher education?

At last count, there were 2,224,181 blacks attending colleges around the country.

You and others probably believe that overwhelming majority of black people live in public housing. The fact is that nearly half own their homes.

The vast majority of adult blacks are just trying to live the American dream and need to be congratulated and encouraged in their efforts. However it is to our great harm if we and especially the black community ignore the pathologies in their midst.

You and others probably believe that there are more blacks than whites receiving some form of welfare assistance. The fact is that 39% are white, 38% are black, and 17% are Hispanic.

No. We believe that if you stopped 100 members of each of these groups on the street in a racially mixed area you will encounter many more,on assistance, that are Black and Hispanic than White. Thus the likelihood that persons of those groups are more likely to need public assistance. This doesn’t mean that they are lesser persons but that have bought into the liberal philosophy of the government is their savior and not themselves.

This government plantation mentality is their greatest enemy.

July 17, 2013 at 5:17 p.m.
jjmez said...

Jt6gR3hM said... jjmez it was your link to that writer so you must have agreement with him or you would not have done so.

Really? If that's the case then you and a lot of your cohorts posting here must have agreements of your own with some pretty hateful, spiteful and devious individuals with ill intent.\

jt6 said: I only quoted his sentiments about this case and indirectly yours as well.

Again, really? Or are you just projecting your own warped and based sentiments into the subject? But whatever turns you own. Floats your boat. Go for it! Knock yourself out!

July 17, 2013 at 5:22 p.m.
jesse said...

Is jjmez goin a little mental on us!

July 17, 2013 at 5:25 p.m.

"A black teenager". So what if he was a teenager. Black teenagers shoot, kill or assault hundreds in the city of Chicago alone. Multiply that by all the other urban areas in this country.

July 17, 2013 at 5:26 p.m.
alprova said...

facyspacy wrote: "CNN Credible? I can also give you one from NY Times and Orlando Sentinel.... Are they credible Alprove?"

Yeah...CNN is credible.

That's what you were outraged over?

Nothing to see here.

There is no proof that each and every photo or text is of Trayvon, especially the picture of the gun.

Did you see photo #4? Trayvon was so violent that he appeared to be standing between two people to keep them from fighting.

Kids share their phones all the time. He apparently shared it for that photo.

None of that is evidence that proves a thing about Trayvon, except in your mind, and it never would have been admitted in court.

You claimed he "owned a gun" and that there was proof that he was involved in several fights. Where is such proof?

July 17, 2013 at 5:33 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

I think I touched the one exposed raw nerve on the end of jjimex's dead brain stem.

July 17, 2013 at 5:36 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said ...

None of that is evidence that proves a thing about Trayvon, except in your mind, and it never would have been admitted in court.

You mean like the “evidence” you keep claiming wasn’t allowed into court but if it had it would have convicted GZ?

July 17, 2013 at 5:40 p.m.
jjmez said...

Now back on topic and away from jt6gR3 whatever, ramblings and incoherent rhetoric.

It's easy for a group of knuckleheaded politicians and those who influence them to sit around a table and make irrational and even dangerous decisions about what laws to support. Especially when using fear and crime as their springboard. Fear and crime. Those two will always get almost everyone's attention. But those laws often end doing more harm than good.

When sitting around talking about fear and taking a bite out of crime lawmakers have this image of some dark figure lurking around every corner, preparing to pounce. Strange looking people walking through neighborhoods. They past that on to the general public. Hence, what helped to spearhead such laws as the Castle Doctrine and Stand Your Ground law.

Now, lawmakers in many states are suddenly growing a brain and rethinking such ill fated decisions. Take the state of Minnesota where in November 2012 a retired state department employee held two popular Minnesota teens, 17 year old Brady Schaeffel and 18 year old Haile Kifer in his basement at gunpoint after accusing them of breaking into his home to allegedly still prescription meds. He first wounded them both, then fired several shot into their bodies (overkill?) and hid their bodies in his basement. He too is evoking the Castle Doctrine and Minnesota's Stand Your Ground law in his defense. He's charged with 2nd degree murder. By the way, both Schaeffel and Kifer are white. So no one can accuse me of only having concerns for 17 year old black teens.

" Critics say the laws could significantly raise the stakes for teenagers engaging in stupid pranks and petty crime."

"These new laws "are going to disproportionately result in more consequences to teenagers that are beyond the scope of what the kids were really doing," says Kathleen Stilling, a former Wisconsin circuit judge and currently a lawyer in Brookfield, Wis. The worry, she adds, is that teenagers doing things "that are not capital offenses end up facing deadly consequences." www.minnpost.com>

uk daily mail: picture of Haile: http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/11/26/article-2238705-16365EB8000005DC-874_306x423.jpg

uk mailonlin: picture of Brady: http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/11/26/article-2238705-16365EBC000005DC-543_306x423.jpg

Minnesota law allows people to use deadly force when protecting their homes - but prosecutors claim he used more than necessary

Smith charged with second-degree murder 'after telling police he shot more times than necessary because Kifer laughed when his gun jammed

www.mailonline.co.uk

July 17, 2013 at 5:45 p.m.
alprova said...

JT, have you listened to those recordings?

July 17, 2013 at 5:45 p.m.
jjmez said...

Jt6gR3hM said... I think I touched the one exposed raw nerve on the end of jjimex's dead brain stem.

jetty6, you couldn't touch a nerve if one was standing right in front of you. You're to be pitied.

July 17, 2013 at 5:47 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

It may not have went down exactly like the mother said it did.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57594017-504083/antonio-santiago-update-gunshot-residue-found-on-slain-ga-babys-parents-report-says/

That is some very thin gruel for you to cast aspersions on the mother. But what do you care as long as you might score some debate point.

July 17, 2013 at 5:52 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

JT, have you listened to those recordings?

Listened and commented. You should really keep up. There is nothing there but if you think there is then give the details.

July 17, 2013 at 5:54 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

jjmez said...

Now back on topic and away from jt6gR3 whatever, ramblings and incoherent rhetoric.

I can definitely see why you would want to do that. As for the rest of your rant the SYG laws are very popular in the states that have them. The case you referenced shows that many can claim the SYG exemption but few will receive it as that man is going down for Murder 2.

July 17, 2013 at 6:01 p.m.
alprova said...

JT, have you listened to those recordings?

Here's the 20 minute version. Listen to it and keep defending the man.

July 17, 2013 at 6:03 p.m.
alprova said...

JT wrote: "That is some very thin gruel for you to cast aspersions on the mother. But what do you care as long as you might score some debate point."

I didn't write the followup story. I merely pointed jonesie to it.

Can you explain why gun powder was found on the father on the day that baby was shot? You don't get it from contact in a hospital by merely rubbing up against someone's leg who has been shot, I assure you.

Anyone who reads that would have an "Aha...now it's starting to make some sense" moment.

July 17, 2013 at 6:12 p.m.
jjmez said...

Maybe maybe not, jetty. Is likely he'll get a reduced sentence.

And btw-the state of Minnesota doesn't have an SYG law, the governor was smart enough to veto it when it came up. However, Minnesota does have a Castle Doctrine law which basically states: "There's no duty to retreat before using deadly force to prevent a felony in one's place of abode; no duty to retreat before using deadly force in self defense in one's place of abode."

July 17, 2013 at 6:13 p.m.
jjmez said...

jetty said: The case you referenced shows that many can claim the SYG exemption but few will receive it as that man is going down for Murder 2.

And whether the SYG defense succeeds or fails are all too often based on the color, class and economic standing and who has connections with someone inside the judicial system of the shooter verses the victim.

July 17, 2013 at 6:33 p.m.
jesse said...

Al, you are wrong about gunshot residue, It will transfer just like ant other trace evidence!

If you have physical contact w/someone who has fired a gun? You gonna get some of it on you!

July 17, 2013 at 6:35 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

jjmez said...

It all depends on who you pay close attention to and why? If you watch based on race and race alone {and many of these NHW groups do), that's racial profiling, and it's wrong. It all depends on what you interpret as a suspicious person in the area.

**”and many of these NHW groups do” ... got any proof? If you live in a mixed race area then you should take the likelihood that some races commit more the crimes into account. If you don’t you are a fool and likely crime victim.

July 17, 2013 at 6:38 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

jjmez said...

Obviously you have not been watching any live footage. If you had you'd know a lot of that howling, rioting, looting and beating up white people are being committed by other white people royally pis*sed over Zimmerman verdict.

Got any proof?

Try to keep up. Much of the civilized world {and not just Americans) are in shock over this verdict.

For the most part they understand the issues in this country as much as we do in theirs. Do you ever see any news from Canada except them drinking beer and wearing tuques or Mexican news about drug killings?

July 17, 2013 at 6:39 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

And based on the evidence, Trayvon was supposed to know that Zimmerman was not stalking him for evil intent, HOW?

It gave him no justification to sucker punch GZ and then try to kill him by slamming his head against the sidewalk.

Zimmerman, by his own admission to the police, had two opportunities to identify himself to Trayvon and he never once disclosed himself to be a Neighborhood Watchman, and when directly asked what led Trayvon to hit him, his only response was..."I don't know."

Neighborhood watch members are instructed to not confront suspicious individuals but only to observe and report. GZ did exactly that even at the encouragement of the police dispatcher.

Despite all this crap floating around about Trayvon, there is not a hint of violence in his past and that was on record in those police interview recordings as well.

It is known in one example that he beat up another person and claimed he wasn’t finished with him because he didn’t bleed enough for TM.

Oh no...the story is just going into the next phase. It is by no means closed.

Yes. This is the phase where GM gets very healthy financially from all of the lawsuits. That may in fact include getting some of that HOA cash from the Martins for the injuries their son visited upon GZ. Wouldn’t be a Biatch?

The only ones perpetuating race as a factor in it are people like yourself.

The list of people and organizations including you pushing race in this case is endless.

July 17, 2013 at 6:41 p.m.
jjmez said...

jetty said: Got any proof?

Yep, the news.

jetty said again: For the most part they understand the issues in this country as much as we do in theirs. Do you ever see any news from Canada except them drinking beer and wearing tuques or Mexican news about drug killings?

Is Canada all you could come up with? Do you know nothing at all outside Canada about WORLD HISTORY? There are many more countries on the earth, than little bitty Canada. Which is really just North America with a border crossing.*

July 17, 2013 at 6:44 p.m.
alprova said...

JT wrote: "Listened and commented. You should really keep up. There is nothing there but if you think there is then give the details."

You cannot have listened to it. If you had, you would not be making any claim to have commented on it.

Post the response time and date.

Every point on that 20 minutes of recordings exposes the contradictions he told. EVERY single one.

July 17, 2013 at 6:45 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

jesse said...

Al, you are wrong about gunshot residue, It will transfer just like ant other trace evidence!

If you have physical contact w/someone who has fired a gun? You gonna get some of it on you!

Al don’t care about the mother that was shot or the baby that had it’s brains blown out. He is running interference that would prevent these two thugs that did the crime from being used against his current meme he is pushing... Whitey is bad!! He hates being white and having to bear that load of white evil

July 17, 2013 at 6:49 p.m.
jjmez said...

jetty said: It gave him no justification to sucker punch GZ and then try to kill him by slamming his head against the sidewalk.

Oh, yes it did. It gave Martin every right to sucker punch, although that doesn't appear to be what happened. Martin was heard shouting "GET OFF." Which would suggest Zimmerman was the one to first make physical contact. It gave Martin even more justification to slam Zimmerman's head into the sidewalk. Zimmerman just got pis*sed that Martin, a skinny teen was getting the best of him after Zimmerman had done all that beefing up, and still couldn't take on s skinny kid. That must have really dealt a blow to the pumped up, exaggerated ego of his.

July 17, 2013 at 6:50 p.m.
jjmez said...

jetty said: Al don’t care about the mother that was shot or the baby that had it’s brains blown out

I'm sure he does. Those boys will be prosecuted and, although I often disagree with the death penalty, if I was on that jury I believe I wouldn't hesitate to convict them and agree to the death penalty in their case. But you're comparing apples and potatoes. What if the police had refused to arrest those boys and a jury refused to convict them? That's the difference. Not about what Zimmerman did as much as a system that refused to charge him from the beginning and a court that refused to convict him. What is it about that you can't understand.

July 17, 2013 at 6:55 p.m.
jesse said...

Well Jt , ya know Al believes in Karma and reincarnation so maybe he was really a bad person in a previous life and GOD came down really hard on him and made him a white person in this incarnation!! Sounds about right to me.

The JURY refused to convict! Whats so hard to understand about THAT???

July 17, 2013 at 6:56 p.m.
alprova said...

jesse wrote: "Al, you are wrong about gunshot residue, It will transfer just like ant other trace evidence!"

Of course, the article does not say where the residue was found on the father. Neither does the reference to the GBI report that claims that traces were found on both parents.

The rumor is that it was found on both of their hands. The cops claimed to have a bullet from the scene and a gun allegedly used, but nothing has been printed saying that the two matched up.

"If you have physical contact w/someone who has fired a gun? You gonna get some of it on you!"

Precisely, but the mother didn't fire a gun...or did she?

July 17, 2013 at 7:06 p.m.
alprova said...

jesse wrote: "Well Jt , ya know Al believes in Karma and reincarnation so maybe he was really a bad person in a previous life and GOD came down really hard on him and made him a white person in this incarnation!! Sounds about right to me."

Cute.

"The JURY refused to convict! Whats so hard to understand about THAT???"

Even I understand the jury's verdict. They ruled according to the letter of the law. But the law stinks and it allowed a guilty man to walk free...for now.

July 17, 2013 at 7:12 p.m.
jesse said...

Her child was shot and i would think they both had contact w/ him!

The shootee is gonna have way more gsr than the shooter! W/a hand gun the victim ,if shot inside a range of 25 feet,is gonna have G.S.R all over him!You brush up against him or touch him then you got it on you!!

BTW AL: I wern't puttin you down about what you believe, it's as valid as anythin else, BUT sooner or later i'm gonna draw out you sense of humor! No body can be as humorless as you appear to be!

July 17, 2013 at 7:12 p.m.
alprova said...

JT wrote: "Al don’t care about the mother that was shot or the baby that had it’s brains blown out."

Even you know that claim is bull squeeze. Whoever shot that child deserves to die a very painful and prolonged death.

If and when the evidence comes out that the gun found where the defendants led the cops to find it, and that it was matched to the shooting of that baby, THEN and only then will there be incontrovertible evidence that the two black boys did indeed commit the crime they are accused of.

That trial starts next month. I'm sure it will be followed in the news.

"He is running interference that would prevent these two thugs that did the crime from being used against his current meme he is pushing... Whitey is bad!! He hates being white and having to bear that load of white evil"

Stranger shootings of a child, the way that one is claimed to have went down, are so rare, that it defies logic.

I have had my doubts about that story from day one. The gun forensics, if they are conclusive, will tell the tale.

Sue me for being cynical. Susan Smith, Diane Downs and many more have led me to take a dim view whenever claims of stranger killings of very young children are offered.

July 17, 2013 at 7:28 p.m.
facyspacy said...

Jimez said...."I'm sure he does. Those boys will be prosecuted and, although I often disagree with the death penalty, if I was on that jury I believe I wouldn't hesitate to convict them and agree to the death penalty in their case. But you're comparing apples and potatoes. What if the police had refused to arrest those boys and a jury refused to convict them? That's the difference. Not about what Zimmerman did as much as a system that refused to charge him from the beginning and a court that refused to convict him. What is it about that you can't understand."

Talk about apples to potatoes.... Did that baby jump out of the stroller and attack those kids in cold blood. Ignorance! GZ was attacked. Stand your ground. Self defense. Non race related. You need to learn those terms

July 17, 2013 at 7:34 p.m.
alprova said...

jesse wrote: "Her child was shot and i would think they both had contact w/ him!"

You may be right and I may be all wet, but there has been no statement YET, that the gun matched the bullet at the scene.

"The shootee is gonna have way more gsr than the shooter! W/a hand gun the victim ,if shot inside a range of 25 feet,is gonna have G.S.R all over him!You brush up against him or touch him then you got it on you!!"

Clearly, four people who were within close proximity of that child had gun shot residue on them. Like I said earlier, if the gun found in the pond matches the bullet found at the scene, then it's a slam-dunk.

"BTW AL: I wern't puttin you down about what you believe, it's as valid as anythin else, BUT sooner or later i'm gonna draw out you sense of humor! No body can be as humorless as you appear to be!"

It's hard to gauge emotion from what one writes sometimes.

I know I tend to be more serious than most people.

I'm quite light-hearted in person and don't obsess very much, unlike I sometimes do when I argue in here.

July 17, 2013 at 7:35 p.m.
alprova said...

facyspacy wrote: "GZ was attacked. Stand your ground. Self defense. Non race related. You need to learn those terms"

Tayvon was being followed, in the dark, in the rain, with no attempt ever being made by GZ to explain it, even when they were face to face.

"What are you doing around here?"

The evidence beyond that point does not explain what happened after that. GZ himself cannot explain why TM hit him.

I have a theory on that. Remember there were one or two people who claimed that the two were arguing before the fight ensued.

TM: "None of your business. Why you following me?"

GZ: "I asked you a question. What are you doing around here?"

TM: "I told you, none of your business. Why you following me?"

GZ: "Look, I've already called the cops."

TM: "Why have you called the cops?"

GZ: "cause you look like you're up to no good."

TM: "You nothin' but a creepy cracker."

GZ: "Look thug...you stay right here until the cops get here."

TM: "I ain't gotta stay nowhere. I ain't done nothin' wrong. I'm stayin' with my father right over there."

GZ: "Sure you are. The cops will be here any minute now. Don't you move an inch."

(George may have put his hands on Trayvon at that point to restrain him from leaving. Trayvon then may have attacked Zimmerman.)

That makes more sense than for a 17 year old to simply walk up to a stranger, asking him

TM: *"You got a problem, homie?""

GZ: "No...I don't have no problem."

TM: " You do now. You're gonna die tonight."

(And he just punched him in the face.)

July 17, 2013 at 8:03 p.m.
jjmez said...

facypacy said...Did that baby jump out of the stroller and attack those kids in cold blood.

No

RE: Ignorance! GZ was attacked.

There's no proof of that. Only Zimmerman's word. You should look in the mirror to recognize true ignorance.

RE: Stand your ground. Self defense. Non race related. You need to learn those terms

Republican State Rep. Baxley who helped craft and co-sponsor the Bill and Gov. Jeb Bush, who signed the Bill into law, would disagree with you, thar. In fact, they already have.

Both Baxley and Bush stated the law doesn't give anyone the right to follow, confront a person based on their suspicions, engage that person, then pull out a gun and shoot them just because they're getting their as*s whooped and losing the fight. Must've really be a heavy blow to Zimmerman's ego to have some puny, skinny barely 17 year old kid give him a beat down.

btw- Bruce Springsteen is in Limerick, Ireland, where he dedicated his song American Skin (41 shots) to Trayvon Martin. The real civilized world is watching. America can't insist on humanity throughout the world and dictate how other countries should treat its citizens, when it continues to treat its own so shabbily. Especially when it comes to America's injustice system.

July 17, 2013 at 8:17 p.m.
jjmez said...

alprova said: That makes more sense than for a 17 year old to simply walk up to a stranger, asking him

Not just any stranger either, but one who likely had his gun already drawn. Remember, Zimmerman had been taken under the wings of the Sanford police and he was being groomed by them to become a cop. He'd gone on ride-alongs, was likely allowed to place handcuffs on a few suspects, the whole kit and caboodle. That really got his juices flowing.

Then that tragic night, he likely decided to play out the role as an actual cop...with all the power and authority afforded one. Zimmerman was acting out a roll. Likely one he'd played over and over in his head.

July 17, 2013 at 8:23 p.m.
alprova said...

I'm sure some of you have heard of the Marissa Alexander case in Florida.

The woman fired a gun in the air to stop the physical attack on her when her estranged husband, Rico Gray, against whom she had a restraining order, broke into her home. Gray was not harmed at all. Neither was anyone else.

She filed a SYG defense. She was turned down and convicted of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon and sentenced to a mandatory 20 year sentence.

Who prosecuted her? Angela B. Corey.

I've seen none of you defending George Zimmerman attempt to defend this woman.

And some of you truly believe that blacks have equal access to our justice system.

July 17, 2013 at 8:28 p.m.
jjmez said...

alprova said: Stranger shootings of a child, the way that one is claimed to have went down, are so rare, that it defies logic. I have had my doubts about that story from day one. The gun forensics, if they are conclusive, will tell the tale


You make a lot of sense, Al. I may have to backtrack on my previous post. To be honest when I first read the story my original thoughts were OH, NO! Not again..Another SUSAN SMITH? James Stuart?(Stewart). Then the police claimed to have found a gun that had been tossed. And that's where I JUMPED to my own conclusion the boys were guilty. Yet, even still, there's been something nagging at the back of my memory on this that advised careful threading. Things aren't always as they appear.

July 17, 2013 at 8:33 p.m.
jjmez said...

Alrpova said: She filed a SYG defense. She was turned down and convicted of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon and sentenced to a mandatory 20 year sentence.

Yes, I read about that story even before it went to trial. I was shocked at the outcome. The prosecutor's excuse for bringing charges was there were children in the house. Like wow@#$%@@! Children usually are. Then the outcome made it even more a travesty of justice. That's why I say who gets to benefit from the SYG and Castle Doctrine laws in many states depend on class, color, economics and who know who.

July 17, 2013 at 8:36 p.m.
alprova said...

jjmez wrote: "Not just any stranger either, but one who likely had his gun already drawn."

That is an excellent point and it is a justified point as well. If you listen to the 20 minute recording presentation, the sound of a cocking gun can be heard in the background on the call George Zimmerman made to the Sanford Police Department.

It is compared to the same sound that was recorded when they were citing the gun recovered at the scene.

I'm with you on that 100%.

"Remember, Zimmerman had been taken under the wings of the Sanford police and he was being groomed by them to become a cop."

I'm not sure that he was being groomed, but he did have contacts within the police department, and so did Zimmerman's father.

"He'd gone on ride-alongs, was likely allowed to place handcuffs on a few suspects, the whole kit and caboodle. That really got his juices flowing."

Ride-alongs were a fact. Beyond that, I don't know.

"Then that tragic night, he likely decided to play out the role as an actual cop...with all the power and authority afforded one. Zimmerman was acting out a roll. Likely one he'd played over and over in his head."

He was definitely in wanna-be cop mode. Of that, I am firmly convinced, beyond a shadow of a doubt.

July 17, 2013 at 8:36 p.m.
alprova said...

jjmez wrote: "You make a lot of sense, Al. I may have to backtrack on my previous post. To be honest when I first read the story my original thoughts were OH, NO! Not again..Another SUSAN SMITH? James Stuart?(Stewart). Then the police claimed to have found a gun that had been tossed. And that's where I JUMPED to my own conclusion the boys were guilty."

And they may well be, because the prosecution is still going forward and the police are still claiming that the parents are not suspected in the shooting, but....

"Yet, even still, there's been something nagging at the back of my memory on this that advised careful threading. Things aren't always as they appear."

If in court, evidence links the bullet at the scene to the gun that the defendants led the detectives to, then there's little, if anything, to doubt.

Defense Attorneys are claiming vehemently that the boys are 100% innocent.

I guess we'll know in a month or so.

July 17, 2013 at 8:51 p.m.
facyspacy said...

" jjmez wrote: "Not just any stranger either, but one who likely had his gun already drawn."

That is an excellent point and it is a justified point as well. If you listen to the 20 minute recording presentation, the sound of a cocking gun can be heard in the background on the call George Zimmerman made to the Sanford Police Department.

It is compared to the same sound that was recorded when they were citing the gun recovered at the scene." -alp I with you 100% on that?

Would you attack a guy with a cocked gun? Witnesses saw trayvon on too of Zimmerman. You heard a gun cock? Lies from ignorant race baiting liberals

July 17, 2013 at 9:49 p.m.
fairmon said...

Now hear this. This current theme will be the opinions and cartoon subject until there is a consensus of agreement by participants. Persuade or be persuaded or drop out, no 'hung forum" on this matter.

July 17, 2013 at 9:51 p.m.
jjmez said...

facyspacy said... Would you attack a guy with a cocked gun? Witnesses saw trayvon on too of Zimmerman. You heard a gun cock? Lies from ignorant race baiting liberal

Really now. Who's doing the race baiting here. Alprova were have an INTELLIGENT discussion about possible scenarios, and you jump in with some kind of an ignorant diatribe.

RE: would you attack a guy with a gun?

See, you just proved something you surely didn't intend to. Like Trayvon did not initiate first physical contact with Zimmerman, after all? One of those gotcha moments, maybe?

July 17, 2013 at 10:09 p.m.
joepulitzer said...

WHAT'S IT ALL ABOUT ALFIE? by Allen West via Facebook: Twelve hours from now Ms. Mackenzie Weinger of Politico will interview me on the subject of Al Sharpton’s role in the media in connection with the Trayvon Martin case. My response will be based upon this quote from Booker T. Washington, circa 1911, “There is a class of colored people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs-partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs.” Now, I do not know the agenda of Ms. Weinger. However, as I watch the destruction of the black community in America, I have had it with the politics of race baiters who use iambic pentameter sing-song speech to anesthetized blacks from the reality of their demise.

July 17, 2013 at 10:58 p.m.
facyspacy said...

Disproving your argument, moron. You think trayvon didn't start the fight. Then alp says he thought he heard a gun cock. So, to shoot the idea down I said would you attack a guy with a gun. Not to say trayvon knew or saw he had one. I feel like I'm arguing with a special needs patient. Gotcha my bean bag I have had two cars broken into. One in August of 2011 and another in January 2012. In July of last yr I noticed a Honda with flo masters circulating in the neighborhood. One night I came home to see the same car running with no lights on then left. I consulted with neighbors and they had vandalism and theft as well. You may have read about it in the news, if you could scroll past the black on black murders. I saw the same car drive through and some kids jump out and run behi d a house. I followed them. At the same time I called police. The dispatcher said not to follow. I did anyway. I was tired of the robberies. The dispatch is not the police. I waited till the police arrived. The kids left. I gave my statement. I haven't seen them since. If they had attacked me, they would have met my two friends.... Mr smith and mr Wesson. Story over. And they were white! Oooooops. I don't blame Zimmerman for following. Lots of robberies in that area. Trayvon liked to fight. He wanted to be a gangster, that's documented...... Obama still in hiding after saying he would have a son look a like

July 17, 2013 at 11:08 p.m.
facyspacy said...

You bypass a grand jury, you remove local law enforcement, you bring a prosecutor, you try to find racial bias by using the FBI and fail, a jury of his peers say not guilty, the victim attacks the accused, stand your ground is the law, wtf is the problem?

July 18, 2013 at 12:23 a.m.
facyspacy said...

"Oh, everyone run and hide when I log on. Zimmerman is innocent." -republican Chet.

July 18, 2013 at 12:25 a.m.
chet123 said...

ITS AMAZING HOW MANY GOP/TEA-PARTY/REPUBLICAN RETURN TO POST AFTER I LEAVE.....COULD THEY BE CHICKEN????? CLUCK CLUCK CLUCKKKKKKKKK!

July 18, 2013 at 11:46 a.m.
chet123 said...

JOEPULITZER:

I THOUGHT YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY....BUT YOU ARE LIKE THE REST OF THE GOP/TEA-PARTY/REPUBLICANS WHEN YOU START SAYING STUPID THINGS

YOU HAVE THE BALLS TO QUOTE BOOKER T. WASHINGTON HA HA HA HA

READ HIS QUOTE VERY CLOSELY BUDDY...."HE SAID A CLASS" HE DIDNT SAY ALL.....THE QUOTE WAS A "CLASS" AND I AGREE WITH HIM...

I ALSO SAY A CLASS REGARDING WHITE PEOPLE.....AND THAT CLASS IS THE TEA-PARTY/GOP/REPUBLICAN PARTY....WHO ARE USED BY THE RICH AND GREEDY TO EXPLOIT BLACK PEOPLE AND WORKING CLASS PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY TO PUSH AMERICA FROM A DEMOCRACY TO AN OLIGARCHY GOVERMENT. THE WORKING CLASS GOP/TEA-PARTY/REPUBLICAN HAVE BEEN BRAIN-WASH FROM THE PULPIT, MAMA DADDY,...IT HAS BEEN INGRAIN DEEP INTO THEIR CULTURE.

NICE TO KNOW YOU ARE A FAN OF BOOTER T. WASHINGTON

BUT I'M A FAN OF THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE AND A HIGHER FORCE(GOD)

WE HOLD THESE TRUTHS TO BE SELF-EVIDENCE,THAT ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL, THAT THEY ARE ENDOWED BY THEIR CREATOR WITH CERTAIN UNALIENABLE RIGHTS......LET ME SAY THIS AGAIN!!!! UNALIENABLE RIGHTS

July 18, 2013 at 12:03 p.m.
chet123 said...

JOEPULITZER....YOUR PROBLEM IS THAT YOU THINK YOU ARE GOD....NOT JUST YOUR ATTITUTE TOWARD BLACK AMERICAN BUT ALSO YOUR ATTITUTE TOWARD YOUR OWN WOMEN

NOW IF YOU REALLY WANT TO TALK ABOUT CLASS.....WHY IS IT SO MANY GOP/TEA-PARYT/REPUBLICAN FAMILY THAT BREED MASS KILLERS,CHILD MOLESTERS,SERIAL KILLERS, WIFE BEATERS,WALL STREET THEIVES....WHO SERVE NO PURPOSE IN LIFE BUT TO TAKE FROM PETER AND PAUL HA HA HA

July 18, 2013 at 12:27 p.m.
chet123 said...

JOE....YOU ALSO LOOKING FOR BLACK MEN WHO IS CREATED IN YOUR IMAGE HA HA HA HA HA HA

MEN LIKE RON CHRISTIE,CLARENCE THOMAS, HERMAN CAIN, ALLEN WEST,...THESE MEN ARE DESPISED BY THEIR OWN RACE....THEY HAVE WEAK OR NO FAMILY TIES....NO CONTRIBUTION TO THEIR COMMUNITY....NO COMMUNITY CONNECTION WITH HER OWN RACE.HA HA HA HA HA

BUT TO YOU THEY ARE HEROS......DO YOU KNOW WHY THEY ARE HEROS TO YOU???..Hmmmmmm?.....ITS BECAUSE THEY ARE IN YOUR OWN IMAGE HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

NOTHING NEW....ITS A TACTIC THAT WERE USE BY PEOPLE LIKE YOU 400YEARS AGE........THEY CALL IT THE WILLIE LYNCH PHILOSOPHY....HA HA HA HA

July 18, 2013 at 12:39 p.m.
chet123 said...

TOPIC IS ON TREYVON MARTIN AND GEORGE ZIMMERSON TRIAL

BUT JOEPULITZER REVERT TO TAKING A STATEMENT OUT OF CONTEXT THAT WAS MADE BY BOOTER T. WASHINGTON....AND IN DURING SO...HE STEPPED ON A LAND-MINE....

JOEPULITZER HA HA HA HA..THE WORD PULITZER REPRESENT GREAT WORK IN JOURNALISM, ART, MUSIC

JOEPULITZER YOU MAY HAVE TO CHANGE YOUR NAME TO JOETHEPLUMBER..HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA....JUST AS HE DIDNT KNOW WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT...YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT HA HA HA

July 18, 2013 at 12:50 p.m.
chet123 said...

PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEE....SOMEONE LET ME KNOW WHEN THE RIGHT-WING WILL BE ON THIS FORUM......

I WOULDNT WANT TO THINK THEIR ARE HIDING........I WILL TREAT THEM WILL KINDNESS AS I ALWAY DO......

I'M JUST AN UNEDUCATED BLACK MAN.....AS ALL BLACK MEN ARE...WINK!WINK!

July 18, 2013 at 12:53 p.m.
facyspacy said...

Chet, you're a white orange grove patient.

July 18, 2013 at 7:38 p.m.
chet123 said...

WELL,WELL,WELL.IF FACYSPACY DONT BEAT EVRYTHING I'VE SEEN IN A LONG TIME..THIS BOZO STILL THINKS I'M WHITE.....THIS IS JUST HOW MIXED-UP THE TEA-PARTY FOLKS ARE...........

HE CANT PICTURE A BLACK MAN IN FRONT OF A COMPUTER SCREEN.....HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA...THIS IS HOW NARROW MINDED THIS GROUP IS....

BUDDY YOU NEED TO STOP WATCHING FOX NEWS....THEY HAVE DUMBED YOU DOWN TO A BUFFOON!!!!

HA HA HA HA!!....TALK ABOUT LIVING IN A BUBBLE!!!!!

July 20, 2013 at 8:55 p.m.
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