published Sunday, July 21st, 2013

Good Luck

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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Squeezing everything they can out of the GZ trial. Once again, dress like a thug, act like a thug, talk like a thug, get treated like a thug. Would Clay have drawn this cartoon after the OJ trial?

July 21, 2013 at 12:10 a.m.

What, no 'fro on that head?

July 21, 2013 at 12:11 a.m.
fairmon said...

People that don't agree with the verdict in this case or others, such as the O.J. trial, are convinced the jury got it wrong and there is no longer any justice in America. Many have the attitude that since they don't agree with the verdict it must be bad laws, a weak prosecution, a bad judge or incompetent jurors. The media loves it and will stir it as long as it is cooking. The number of cartoons here on the subject are an indication of the media loving it.

July 21, 2013 at 12:28 a.m.
alprova said...

Justice inequality is not a myth. It is a reality for too many AMERICANS. Justice for black Americans is far to often an elusive dream.

Surely we have exhausted all the arguments in the George Zimmerman case. He won his freedom. A civil rights case may be explored but all of us know that it likely will never be filed.

But what about Marissa Alexander? She's currently in prison after being convicted and sentenced to serve 20 years for a crime that was never a crime at all. She stood her ground. She killed no one. She shot no one.

She was protecting herself from being physically beaten by her husband. who had broken into her home, whom she had an order of protection in place, who was not supposed to be in that home. When she reached her gun, she had already been subjected to an attempted strangulation and other physical trauma prior to running out to her garage where the gun was stashed.

After retrieving the gun, she went back into the house to face her husband, and when she met him in the hall, she fired one warning shot "in the direction of a room where two children were standing." The bullet went into the ceiling of the same area they were standing in.

The husband ran out of the home, called the police, alleging that Marissa had shot at him and his two sons. She was arrested immediately.

The Judge conducting her "Stand Your Ground" trial, ruled that her decision to go back into the house "was not consistent with someone fearing for their life."

She was convicted of 3 counts of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon with no intent to harm. In a pre-trial statement, under oath, Rico Gray admitted that he was the aggressor, threatened her life and was so enraged that he did not know what he would do.

Rico Gray had been arrested for domestic violence twice prior to that day – once for abuse against Marissa Alexander. That attack landed Marissa Alexander in the hospital.

This case has been brought up in this forum twice, maybe three times. I've yet to read a word from any of you GZ supporters offering to defend what this woman did to save her life.

Marissa Alexander is black. Her husband was black. She is not a thug. To the best of my research, Marissa Alexander had never been in trouble her entire life. Yet, she sits in prison and George Zimmerman is free.

Enough with the names, the accusations, and the arguments.

No one is asking you to go down to Florida and to hold a protest sign. No one is asking you to inconvenience yourself for more than a minute that it takes to sign a petition calling for her release.

This is one that we should all agree on. Every single one of us.

http://www.change.org/petitions/free-marissa-alexander#share

July 21, 2013 at 1:52 a.m.
Ki said...

I found freedom by leaving the land of the free

Tiffanie Drayton

On the day of college graduation, I told my friends and family the news: I was leaving the country I had lived in since childhood.

“Hey, Tiffanie, you should have this egg. It’s the only brown one like you!” my classmate told me during AP biology.

“I really want to write an essay on being the gentrifier,” one courageous young man pitched in a journalism class. I was one of only two people who were disturbed.

For a long time I survived by covering myself in the labels I’d accumulated over the years. I plastered each one to my body with super glue as if they were Post-It note reminders that I was someone. Sports fanatic (hot pink). Feminist, beautiful, writer, comedian, fashionista, friend (fuchsia, yellow, blue, purple, red, green). I hid behind them; they were my only shields.

Green covered my eyes when a childhood friend’s family banged down my front door and demanded their daughter get out of the house full of blacks. Blue protected my heart when my black peers ostracized my enjoyment of complete, complex sentences. Yellow blocked my ears when whispers floated through the air at my ex-white-American boyfriend’s home like haunted ghosts: I can’t believe he is dating a black girl. The words passed like a gentle breeze barely creating flutter.

I existed right there on the fringe of ugly, ignorant and uncultured. Black but not black enough for my positive attributes to be justified. “Where are you from?” potential dates asked when they met me. “I am from Trinidad and Tobago,” I said. “Oh, that’s why you are so beautiful and exotic — I knew you couldn’t be all black.”

“Black people don’t really know how to swim,” my co-worker once told me when I worked as a swim instructor at my neighborhood’s pool. “What about me?” I asked. “Oh, you aren’t black. You’re from Trinidad,” she said.

“The black children don’t like to read very much,” I overheard one librarian discussing with another while I sat down reading a book a couple feet away. They passed right by me with smiles.

I was the model minority — absent, yet present I survived because I was never able to make America my home.

I was already back in Trinidad and Tobago when the Trayvon Martin verdict came down last week. I wasn’t surprised, but I was speechless. My hope is that it will force Americans to reexamine their “post-racial” beliefs. A friend of mine posted on my Facebook page, “You made the right choice.” I think I did, too.

I have found freedom by leaving the land of the free.

http://www.salon.com/2013/07/16/goodbye_to_my_american_dream/

July 21, 2013 at 2:26 a.m.
Ki said...

We've Become The Thing We Hate Why I left America, Author Michael Luick-Thrams

It’s a belief that we no longer live in the same country as before 9/11. I’m not at all pleased about the changes we’ve seen since then. I think that in many ways we have become the things we claim to hate: We hate terrorism and we hate indiscriminate violence. Unfortunately, over the past ten years we have been consistently practicing just that. Invading countries, kicking in the doors of innocent people. We know that soldiers acting in our name have raped and tortured. I thought at first that hopefully this would pass. But it keeps going on. We’ve had ten years of war, and I suspect that if we had the money we would wage even more war elsewhere. It has become a way of life.

I don’t like the way the country is going domestically, either. I’m very conscious of the development in Wisconsin, stripping workers of collective bargaining rights. At some point I decided I’d had enough. I’m not going to pay taxes to subsidize this madness. I’m not going to devote part of my income to building guns and tanks and fighter jets, paying to place soldiers abroad to rape people, to kill and terrorize them. I’m not going to be a part of that.

Some people might hear what you say and respond that these are all good reasons to stay home and fight for a better society. Somebody like Martin Luther King had excellent reasons for leaving the States, but decided to remain and paid the supreme price for it. Other activists such as Noam Chomsky have also stayed put and keep writing and speaking. So even if what you say is accurate, why leave the country rather than remain within it and fight against what you perceive is wrong?

I’m reading the signs. In Nazi Germany there came a point when people said, “I can’t stay here and fight. I have to leave, I’m in danger.” Now I never thought I was in danger in the States, but I saw no future for myself. If I thought things could be changed, I would have stayed.

http://open.salon.com/blog/lost_in_berlin/2012/07/01/weve_become_what_we_hate_why_i_left_america

July 21, 2013 at 2:32 a.m.
Ki said...

Responding alprova said: The Judge conducting her "Stand Your Ground" trial, ruled that her decision to go back into the house "was not consistent with someone fearing for their life."

Especially interesting in how the SYG law is applied, since Zimmerman's decision to follow, confront and engage Martin was considered consistent with someone fearing for their life, and that's why he's a free man and might even get his gun back (there's presently a federal hold). Heck! He might even still get to become a Sanford cop, or powers forbid (a Chattanooga cop), or somewhere in some other town, city or state. For all perspectives, he was being groomed to become a Sanford cop.

July 21, 2013 at 2:46 a.m.
alprova said...

zableedofisterix wrote: "Once again, dress like a thug, act like a thug, talk like a thug, get treated like a thug."

You are fast establishing yourself as an exemplar unapologetic bigot and apparently you are not going to five up the ghost.

Did your Mama not teach you any manners? Have you not an ounce of shame at all?

The person you have determined to be a "thug" is DEAD. The trial is over. George Zimmerman groupie...you won!!! God only knows what you would be writing if your hero had been convicted.

You clearly have a deep, deep problem with black people. Please...seek some help to overcome your negrophobia.

July 21, 2013 at 3:02 a.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said about the Alexander case...This is one that we should all agree on. Every single one of us.

I agree. I don't recall this being in this forum but it may have been before my time. The petition link didn't work for me but I will find it. I wonder why the media isn't all over this? I wonder why Sharpton, Jackson and others commenting are not upset about this issue? It seems no consideration given to the fact her enraged mentally disturbed husband was alone with the children. Some judges think they are a human deity but they lack judgment.

July 21, 2013 at 3:49 a.m.
AndrewLohr said...

Black-on-black crime is OK but GZ is not? Why no outrage about the bigger problem?

July 21, 2013 at 5:46 a.m.
jesse said...

It's a done deal and everybody, including Clay needs to move on!!

All the jawboning and fussin ain't gonna do nothing but keep the pot stirred up!

July 21, 2013 at 6:49 a.m.
rick1 said...

Al, reads this article from Roland Martin from May 12, 2012 where he said this case had nothing to do with the Stand Your Ground Law. It is because of Florida's mandatory minimum sentences that she received 20 years.

You also left out some important facts from this case like State Attorney Angela Corey who was the prosecutor and brought charges against Alexander is the same prosecutor who brought charges against George Zimmerman.

Corey said the gun was fired near a bedroom where two children were and they could have been injured. This was not the case in the GZ/TM incident.

Corey offered Alexander a three-year sentence in a plea bargain, but Alexander felt she had done nothing wrong and so rejected the plea.

Alexander turned down the plea bargain and to took her chances with a trial and lost. Because of the mandatory sentencing guidelines the judge had no choice but to sentence Alexander to 20 years.

In May 2012 this case had nothing to do with the Stand Your Ground Law and it still doesn't today. If you have a problem with this case then address mandatory sentencing.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/12/opinion/roland-martin-mandatory-minimums

July 21, 2013 at 7:50 a.m.
rick1 said...

Jesse is right we need to move along. Let's look at what the media does not want to report like Obama lied to us (there is a shock Obama lying to us) about Obamacare. Not to mention the Obamacre Data Base. See the second link

The jobs crisis is worse then what the data shows.

Dodd Frank financial regulations at over 13,000 pages and the negative impact that will have on not only business but individuals.

We also have heard very little about The Obama Administration proving arms to the rebels in Syria. So what is our involvement?

These are issues the main stream media wants to ignore and they continue to keep Zimmerman on the front page and Obama is right there with them.

http://blog.heritage.org/2013/07/19/obamacare-simplified/

http://rare.us/story/move-over-nsa-here-comes-the-obamacare-big-brother-database/

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/family-premiums-1975-obamacare-passed-obama-touts-100-rebates

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/071913-664481-unemployment-far-worse-than-official-data-official.htm

http://thehill.com/blogs/regwatch/finance/312205-dodd-frank-regs-dwarf-war-and-peace

July 21, 2013 at 8:12 a.m.
tifosi said...

rick1 - Speaking of moving on. Didn't the Supreme Court uphold Obamacare?

July 21, 2013 at 8:16 a.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "I agree. I don't recall this being in this forum but it may have been before my time."

I've mentioned it in my posts a couple of times in the past week.

"The petition link didn't work for me but I will find it."

Try it again. It appears the site went down for awhile.

"I wonder why the media isn't all over this?"

CNN and MSNBC has been hitting it pretty hard in the last few days, which is where I first learned of it.

"I wonder why Sharpton, Jackson and others commenting are not upset about this issue?"

What really should blow your mind is that the prosecutor who went after George Zimmerman is the very same one who prosecuted Marissa Alexander. Angela Corey.

Jesse Jackson met with Marissa Alexander on July 13th where she is being held and he did make a public statement.

http://staugustine.com/news/local-news/2013-07-16/jesse-jackson-jacksonville-rips-angela-corey#.UevPaOUxfZ4

Al Sharpton seems to be less involved, but that may change soon, given that the case is just now gaining national attention. He was contacted a year ago.

"It seems no consideration given to the fact her enraged mentally disturbed husband was alone with the children. Some judges think they are a human deity but they lack judgment."

The father convinced one of the two boys that were his to testify against Marissa. The other told the truth to what happened.

If ever there was a case where a jury got it completely wrong, this is it.

July 21, 2013 at 8:19 a.m.
rick1 said...

tifosi, what does the Supreme Court upholding Obamacare have to do with costs increasing when Obama said they wouldn't? Try reading the articles I provided.

July 21, 2013 at 8:35 a.m.
tifosi said...

Your sources are not very credible. Obviously right-wing agenda. Which explains a lot of your reasoning.

July 21, 2013 at 8:49 a.m.
alprova said...

tick1 wrote: "Al, reads this article from Roland Martin from May 12, 2012 where he said this case had nothing to do with the Stand Your Ground Law. It is because of Florida's mandatory minimum sentences that she received 20 years."

Rick, she mounted a SYG defense. The JUDGE rejected it. This case had EVERYTHING to do with Florida's SYG law.

"You also left out some important facts from this case like State Attorney Angela Corey who was the prosecutor and brought charges against Alexander is the same prosecutor who brought charges against George Zimmerman."

I had to pack the post into 3,000 characters. I'm well aware of who prosecuted Marissa Alexander.

Please take note of the fact that not once have I ever offered a word of defense of the woman. She is bad news.

"Corey said the gun was fired near a bedroom where two children were and they could have been injured. This was not the case in the GZ/TM incident."

Into the ceiling in an adjacent room....not a wall. At no time were the kids in danger.

You're going to laughingly defend Goerge Zimmerman's discharging of his gun as being done so in a responsible manner, but what she did was WRONG?

"Corey offered Alexander a three-year sentence in a plea bargain, but Alexander felt she had done nothing wrong and so rejected the plea."

Wouldn't you have done the same thing? I sure would have.

"Alexander turned down the plea bargain and to took her chances with a trial and lost. Because of the mandatory sentencing guidelines the judge had no choice but to sentence Alexander to 20 years."

Are you reading what you are shoveling? SYG is a law specifically crafted to keep people like Marissa Alexander from being prosecuted unfairly.

Judge Elizabeth Senterfitt denied The Stand Your Ground Motion. Judge Senterfitt, a former prosecutor, also cited in the reason she ruled against the motion to dismiss due to SYG, that Alexander could have exited the house through a window, front door and/or, sliding glass back door.

The law specifically states: No duty to retreat.

"In May 2012 this case had nothing to do with the Stand Your Ground Law and it still doesn't today."

The hell it doesn't. SYG was enacted in 2005 in Florida. She absolutely initially rejected the option of a jury trial and went before a judge.

In May of this year, the U.S. Civil Rights Commission voted to undertake an in-depth investigation into racial bias in Stand Your Ground laws, the first such investigation by the agency in decades.

"If you have a problem with this case then address mandatory sentencing"

OMG...in the total absence of your using any logic to base your opinion on, I have no other choice but to size you up as a complete and utter negrophobe.

As one who has vehemently defended GZ, and to not see this case as a total travesty of justice, you clearly hate blacks and you must believe that they all deserve to be behind bars.

July 21, 2013 at 8:53 a.m.
LaughingBoy said...

Different day, same excuses. Justice inequality-blame Whitey.

July 21, 2013 at 8:53 a.m.
prairie_dog said...

Put on a suit and tie. Then call a cab. Bozo.

Act in a manner that shows you deserve the freedom you have. It's the same for everybody.

July 21, 2013 at 8:54 a.m.
rick1 said...

Al, you are an A Hole. We may disagree on this case and the Zimmerman case but to but to say I hate blacks because we disagree is completely out of line.

Since Roland Martin doesn't believe the Alexander case has anything to do with SYG is he a Uncle Tom or an Oreo or whatever other names liberals call blacks when they do not agree with their views?

So in your 3,000 word post you could not find any place to mention that Angela Corey was the prosecutor in both case. You are a lying race baiter.

July 21, 2013 at 8:58 a.m.
rick1 said...

tifosi, The Kaiser Family Foundation, is left leaning and is by no means has a right wing agenda. According to The Kaiser Family Foundation health care premiums for the average family cost $15,745 in 2012 -– an increase of $1,975 from the $13,770 they cost in 2010, the year President Obama signed the Affordable Care Act into law.

Of course that does not fit your agenda.

July 21, 2013 at 9:02 a.m.
alprova said...

Wow!! I wasn't aware that the proper way to dress in order to hail a cab is to don a suit and a tie.

I guess it's a good thing that I have never needed the services of a cab driver, because I wouldn't be caught dead in a suit and a tie. This time of year, it's shorts and a pullover shirt for me.

How old does one have to be to arrive at such an illogical conclusion that what the clothing that one has on, determines their need for a ride somewhere?

Exactly how does one "act in a manner that shows you deserve the freedom you have?"**

The President said the other day that race relations have come a long way. Based on the commentary of some over the last few days, I'm prepared to state that the President is full of crap.

But then, if things had not improved, outside of this little hole in the wall, he would not have been elected President...TWICE.

Hate is a powerful thing. Some of you have it down to an art.

July 21, 2013 at 9:10 a.m.
LaughingBoy said...

Pot meet kettle.

July 21, 2013 at 9:13 a.m.
rick1 said...

Al posted "Hate is a powerful thing. Some of you have it down to an art."

Look in the mirror race baiter.

July 21, 2013 at 9:14 a.m.
Ki said...

AndrewLohr said... Black-on-black crime is OK but GZ is not?

Is this your admission that Zimmerman is a criminal?

Why no outrage about the bigger problem?

The outcome of Zimmerman's trial is the bigger problem.

July 21, 2013 at 9:22 a.m.
Ki said...

rick1 said... Al, you are an A Hole. We may disagree on this case and the Zimmerman case but to but to say I hate blacks because we disagree is completely out of line.

It's not your disagreement, but the nasty, insulting remarks against a race you never fail to include.

July 21, 2013 at 9:24 a.m.
tifosi said...

rick1- I stopped at the cns news. Figured you were brain washed at that point.

July 21, 2013 at 9:25 a.m.
rick1 said...

tifosi, I guess you are not intelligent enough to present a rebuttal so you come back with a cheesy response.

July 21, 2013 at 9:27 a.m.
tifosi said...

You are not worthy.

July 21, 2013 at 9:32 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Rick1 tells ALPO "Al, you are an A Hole. We may disagree on this case and the Zimmerman case but to but to say I hate blacks because we disagree is completely out of line"

Hey Rick, it's the Dem's way of waging war on any and all disagreeing with them. They feel that keeping the tumult and racial tensions brewing keeps them the minority vote. It's in their DNA to quickly pull the Race card. (btw, you're right about Alpo)

July 21, 2013 at 9:34 a.m.
alprova said...

rick1 wrote: "Al, you are an A Hole."

No Sir. That distinction belongs to you.

"We may disagree on this case and the Zimmerman case but to but to say I hate blacks because we disagree is completely out of line."

You have presented not one logical reason for any disagreement on the Alexander case. Therefore in the absence of any logical reason for not seeing this case for what it is, your negrophobia kicks in.

"Since Roland Martin doesn't believe the Alexander case has anything to do with SYG is he a Uncle Tom or an Oreo or whatever other names liberals call blacks when they do not agree with their views?"

You truly need to go back and read what Roland Martin wrote. Here...I'll help you.

"Alexander tried to invoke Florida's controversial stand your ground law in her defense, but that was rejected. Critics of the law's role in the Martin case have said this shows how the law is applied unevenly."

"But the real issue here isn't the faulty stand your ground law. It's the ridiculous mandatory minimum sentences that have been approved by countless state legislatures and Congress."

Roland disagrees with the sentence, as does everyone else who has opined on her case, and he goes on to set aside the SYG defense altogether, which you have decided to take as his opinion that SYG never applied to her case.

It did and it has since day one.

"So in your 3,000 word post you could not find any place to mention that Angela Corey was the prosecutor in both case. You are a lying race baiter."

I'm a "race-baiter" for failing to NOT mention the Caucasian prosecutor Angela Corey in my initial presentation? I didn't mention the race of the judge who denied her SYG motion to dismiss either.

Your intense hatred of black people has you totally incapable of looking at this case with any sense of logic.

You should have been born 50 years earlier. You might have escalated your way up the ladder to become a Grand Wizard here in the deep South.

July 21, 2013 at 9:35 a.m.
LaughingBoy said...

922 am said it all. Zimmerman case more important than blacks.shooting each other up by the thousands. Why? My only guess it's because it's easier to make excuses and blame Whitey (white-hispanic zimmerman, fox news, limbaugh and now uncle tom.cosby).

July 21, 2013 at 9:35 a.m.
Ki said...

rick1 said... Al, reads this article from Roland Martin from May 12, 2012 where he said this case had nothing to do with the Stand Your Ground Law. It is because of Florida's mandatory minimum sentences that she received 20 years.

The case had everything and then some to do with Florida's SYG law. If Alexander had been Zimmerman, they'd used the SYG law to exonerate her, and she'd never been found guilty and sentenced to 20yrs in prison. Florida courts, like many states, appear to be selective in when to evoke the infamous SYG law when they want it to favor the accused. Then they, even prosecutors, resort to old laws and tactics when they want to convict. Don't ever think that prosecutors, judges and even the attorney defending you can't be found working on the same team to either convict an innocent person or allow a guilty one to walk free.

See: An Innocent Man--The true story of Ronald Keith Williamson, a minor league baseball player who had dreams of becoming major league, sent to deathrow and spent 11 years in the wrongful conviction of the brutal murder of Debra Sue Carter. The thing is from the cops to the courts on to the experts witnesses, and even his court appointed attorney, they knew the man and a friend who was also charged along with him were innocent (the friend pled guilty in exchange for receiving a life sentence rather than go to deathrow--Williams refused to plea guilty and therefore was convicted and received a death sentence). The actual guilty person was one of their very own confidential informants, and the police in Ada knew it or at least suspected it.

btw-Williamson lost his mind while serving time on deathrow. He'd later be cleared when the Innocence Project took up his case (prosecutors hate the Innocence Project organization. I exposes the darker side to a corrupt system), but the damage was already done and had taken its toll on him both mentally and physically. I think he died about 2 years after being freed. Williamson was also white.

July 21, 2013 at 9:38 a.m.
facyspacy said...

Alprova said,"The person you have determined to be a "thug" is DEAD. The trial is over. George Zimmerman groupie...you won!!! God only knows what you would be writing if your hero had been convicted."

Nobody won. This is not white vs black, dem vs rep, fox vs CNN. No matter how many ways you spin it, Zimmerman was innocent. I don't have an opinion about the black lady in jail doing twenty years BC I don't know much about it. From what you say, it makes me wonder why the NAACP isn't more upset about that? But assuming facts from an opinion forum is silly.

On a final note.... The president chiming in on a court case that hasn't got a verdict yet is about the worst thing you could do. His "opinion" could have swayed jurors. And what he said was ridiculous. "If I had a son it would look like trayvon.... That could have been my son.... That could have been me 35 yrs ago..... I have been followed in a store by store employees." Mr pres, how are you like trayvon? Did you both smoke pot? Did you both aspire to be a gangsta? You don't think Zimmerman has been followed in a store. No, Mr pres, I tho I you are more like Zimmerman. You both have a white parent.

July 21, 2013 at 9:43 a.m.
rick1 said...

Ki, so anything that is said that is negative towards Obama or anyone else who is black are nasty insulting remarks.

You and the other liberals love to attack free speech when you do not agree with what someone else has to say. You do this by saying we are racists, nasty, insulting as a way to shut us up. Of course when you liberals make negative, nasty comments (Bill Maher calling Palin the C word or Alex Baldwin's verbal attack on a gay or calling black conservatives sell outs, Uncle Tom's, Oreo's etc. there is not one word out of liberals condemning this just justification on why it was done.

By taking free speech away is the only way liberal's can push their agenda without being called out for the lies that are being told.

If you really want to look at who hates the blacks look at the liberal policies that have kept and encouraged blacks to stay on government entitlement programs, affirmative action programs which included lowering standards for entrance and promotional exams. How does dumbing down help anyone make the best of themselves?

Look at the failed public education system in our country and all liberals want to do is cater to the teachers union and throw more money at the problem. The voucher system to private schools were very successful and parents in the inner city of Washington DC were very excited about their kids learning and the kids were excited about learning as well. What did Obama do shortly after entering office? He took the DC voucher program away. Liberals can't let children from the inner city become to educated and successful because they would no longer need the government to take care of them.

It is the liberals who hate the blacks and do not want them to be successful. Can't let them off the government plantation can you?

July 21, 2013 at 9:45 a.m.
tifosi said...

facyspacy- I aspired to be a pot-smoking hippie when I was 16. Then I joined the U.S. Army, went to college, started a successful career, raised a family and put three daughters through college. Sure glad no one labeled me for a loser at 16 and thought it reasonable that I should die.

July 21, 2013 at 9:51 a.m.
Ki said...

jesse said... It's a done deal and everybody, including Clay needs to move on!!

No, it is not a done deal. There have been many Zimmerman/Martin style encounters only perhaps without the tragic, deadly outcome-or maybe even with the same or similar outcome, even locally, before that fatal night in Sanford Florida where Zimmerman and Martin crossed paths, and there have been several, some deadly after. If everyone just move on it will continue to happen again and again. The only reason once set wants to move on is because the world is watching and critiquing, and those type Americans don't like being the ones being critically scrutinized. There are individual, locally too, who were banking on Zimmerman being found not guilty so they could feel justified in carrying out their own missions. They are easily identifiable in just the way they immediately went on the attack when they realize not only a nation, but a world was shocked over the outcome of the trial.

July 21, 2013 at 9:51 a.m.
Ki said...

rick1 said... Ki, so anything that is said that is negative towards Obama or anyone else who is black are nasty insulting remarks.

No. Not just anything, but the actual wordings used. Some collectively others individually. Example: punk, thug, Obastard, etc.

July 21, 2013 at 9:53 a.m.
LaughingBoy said...

Tifosi were you a vandalizing and fighting jewelry thief?

July 21, 2013 at 9:55 a.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "Hey Rick, it's the Dem's way of waging war on any and all disagreeing with them. They feel that keeping the tumult and racial tensions brewing keeps them the minority vote. It's in their DNA to quickly pull the Race card. (btw, you're right about Alpo)"

Your charge is rather silly. I'm not running for any political office as a Democrat.

My motivations in this case have nothing to do with Marissa Alexander's race, although it is hard not to believe that she was denied the right to invoke a SYG defense because she is black.

Mr. Instigator, what else would I expect you, a fellow negrophobe, to write? You came very close to calling me a ni**er lover yesterday.

You try to play the part of someone who is not racially polarized in your commentary, but you nip at the heels like a Chihuahua of every one who clearly does have a problem with those of other races when I point it out.

This makes you as bad as they are.

Shame on both of you.

July 21, 2013 at 9:55 a.m.
Ki said...

His "opinion" could have swayed jurors

Not in predominately white Sanford Florida. They couldn't despise anything more than a black man in the White House. That was never suppose to happen in their lifetime.

July 21, 2013 at 9:56 a.m.
LaughingBoy said...

It looks as if they got it wrong on the Alexander case but nothing I have read says racism was the reason.

July 21, 2013 at 9:58 a.m.
tifosi said...

LaughingBoy said... Tifosi were you a vandalizing and fighting jewelry thief?

Actually I made Travvon look like a choirboy.

July 21, 2013 at 9:59 a.m.
rick1 said...

PT your post at 9:34am is spot on.

July 21, 2013 at 9:59 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Hey ALPO: I was nowhere near calling you a ni**er lover. I don't use the term. I've hired, and promoted many more African Americans than you've even thought about. Do you have a black guy washing cars at the car-lot, Al? Hmmm?

July 21, 2013 at 10 a.m.
tifosi said...

Oh yeah. I remember watching "To Catch A Thief", "The Dirty Dozen", "Vanishing Point", "Smoky and The Bandit". They all pretty much romanticized breaking the law.

July 21, 2013 at 10:03 a.m.
LaughingBoy said...

I am glad you got on the right path. Many do not change and a big part of it is falling for excuses.

July 21, 2013 at 10:03 a.m.
Ki said...

LaughingBoy said... Tifosi were you a vandalizing and fighting jewelry thief?

There's no proof Martin stole any jewelry. Even the police said that after they investigated. He simply had some jewelry on him. As for being accused of vandalism, that's the problem with having SROs in these schools. Some view everything as a criminal act, subject to arrest and possibly even juvenile or jail time. Incidents that were once handled by either the teacher, principle, assistant principal are handled as a criminal act. Where children as young as five and six years of age have been Tasered, maced and hauled off in the backseats of police cars, sporting handcuffs too big for their little wrist and taken either to juvenile detention centers or police precincts. The easiest thing a child can become in America today is a criminal with a criminal record. All they have to do is wear a blue shirt on a green shirt day to school, or wear the wrong colored sneakers or write on their desk (act of vandalism)__and they have a criminal record that can affect them for life, even affect their siblings and offspring. People should never be fooled into believing a juvenile record can't affect you, your siblings, your children for life. It's become much easier to acquire a criminal record in America than it is to receive an education.

July 21, 2013 at 10:04 a.m.
alprova said...

facyspacy wrote: "I don't have an opinion about the black lady in jail doing twenty years BC I don't know much about it."

Then I suggest you get busy learning more about it. After all, you spent a great deal of time supporting the George Zimmerman verdict.

"From what you say, it makes me wonder why the NAACP isn't more upset about that?"

For many, like myself, the word is just getting out. I'm sure it will be more public in the weeks to come.

"But assuming facts from an opinion forum is silly"

Excuses, excuses, and more excuses. If you are so supportive of the GZ verdict, as you claim, spend a little time to inform yourself to the injustice that was dealt Marissa Alexander for defending her life against a real thug.

July 21, 2013 at 10:05 a.m.
rick1 said...

Ki posted "No. Not just anything, but the actual wordings used. Some collectively others individually. Example: punk, thug, Obastard, etc."

I'm sure you were front and center calling out the liberals who were making insulting, nasty comments about George W. Bush.

Of course when someone makes a comment you find nasty or insulting it always has to be about race.

July 21, 2013 at 10:06 a.m.
Ki said...

rick1 said: Since Roland Martin doesn't believe the Alexander case has anything to do with SYG is he a Uncle Tom or an Oreo or whatever other names liberals call blacks when they do not agree with their views?

Did alprova use those terms? Roland Martin isn't the spokesperson for black people or Marissa Alexander. When he spoke he likely knew very little to nothing about how Florida courts work in cahoots to manipulate the laws to control the outcome. Hence: Zimmerman innocent. Alexander guilty in what should have been a clear case of self-defense and the post 2006 SYG law should have worked in her favor.

July 21, 2013 at 10:09 a.m.
tifosi said...

rick1- As I have said before, I always refer to any president by their proper title, regardless of party. I respect the American people more than you and many others on here that show complete disrespect for President Obama. A man that was duly elected by the American people. You guys sound like poor losers and you spit on the American people.

July 21, 2013 at 10:11 a.m.
Ki said...

rick1 said: I'm sure you were front and center calling out the liberals who were making insulting, nasty comments about George W. Bush.

Like what for instance? I never saw where someone called Bush a bastard, thug or punk.

Of course when someone makes a comment you find nasty or insulting it always has to be about race.

B'cuz when the subject matter is about blacks, you guys always come out swinging with the thug, punk this and that. I never read where any of you referred to Jared Loughner, Adam Lanza, Holmes as a thug or punk. In fact, you all were mostly silent on those tragedies.

July 21, 2013 at 10:12 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Ki: Cut the bs, man. Laughner, Lanza, Holmes, have been called much worse than punks...on this forum.

July 21, 2013 at 10:16 a.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "I've hired, and promoted many more African Americans than you've even thought about."

Hoo boy...another maximyth is born.

"Do you have a black guy washing cars at the car-lot, Al? Hmmm?"

Sorry...no, but then I've never had a black person come by to ever apply for a job either. Make of that what you will.

BTW - Are you looking for a job?

July 21, 2013 at 10:16 a.m.
tifosi said...

No Ki. They were mostly defending their 2nd Amendment rights. They weren't concerned with the pile of dead children in a classroom

July 21, 2013 at 10:17 a.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "Ki: Cut the bs, man. Laughner, Lanza, Holmes, have been called much worse than punks...on this forum."

Not really, and you're free to quote those who did, but I seem to recall those of us who took up the call for gun control most certainly were called much worse names.

July 21, 2013 at 10:20 a.m.
rick1 said...

I know Al doesn't agree with me but if it wasn't for the mandatory sentencing Alexander would not be doing 20 years. She was convicted of aggravated assault.

The question Al should be asking is why didn't the State ask that aggravated assault be considered in the Zimmerman case along with 2nd degree murder and manslaughter? It was the same prosecutor in both cases.

July 21, 2013 at 10:22 a.m.
Ki said...

prairie_dog said... Put on a suit and tie. Then call a cab. Bozo.

Are you saying, only people sporting ties and suits ride in taxi-cabs? That's tragically funny.

Act in a manner that shows you deserve the freedom you have. And what manner might that be? Any suggestions?

It's the same for everybody

Now, you don't really believe your own words, for sure.

July 21, 2013 at 10:22 a.m.
whatsthefuss said...

Who has taken the time to read George Zimmerman's written statement to the police on the day of the shooting? If you have not and only listened to your favorite news program please take the time to read what Mr. Zimmerman wrote and please remember there was an eye witness to the altercation and it was written that day unlike prosecution testimony that had over a year to develop before it was presented to the jury.

http://www.gzdocs.com/documents/statements/written_statement_0226.pdf

Also because you have interracial relationships within your family or friends does not give you the right to take sides without dealing with the facts. It is what intelligent people do.

Having extended family that are in interracial relationships and marriages I found it interesting that before one relationship started the parents of a high school girl constantly used the "N" word and referred to the game played by NBA players as "African Handball." Once the young lady made it known that she was going to date and someday marry the young black man and that he was a high school football star that was also going to be an NFL star , well the parents became totally reformed from their bigoted racist views and demanded that everyone around them did also. The young lady would brag how when he became a NFL star he would buy her a Range Rover and she was going to live in a mansion. Well unfortunately the young man found it very difficult graduating high school and they both attended one of the Georgia Community Colleges on a part time schedule after flunking out during the first semester. Neither is enrolled as of today two years later and the young man still lives with the aunt that raised him and is employed part time at a retail store as does the young lady living at home with her parents. The young lady has suspended her Facebook page because of the number of other white girls who taunt her stating they have slept with her so called boyfriend. Her and her parents have dealt with this ongoing relationship by all seeking medical help and are all taking medication for depression. I have witnessed other interracial relationships with similar dynamics and have yet to see a normal boy friend/girlfriend, husband/wife relationship. Also every interracial relationship I have observed except one was between a white woman and a black man.

July 21, 2013 at 10:23 a.m.
whatsthefuss said...

Continued

The large white woman with the three bi-racial children the media continued to show the night of the verdict was a very sad sight. Here is a white woman with three small children and the thought ran thru my mind. Where is the father of these three small children. I know many of you will say I'm racist for making such a comment and the father is at work and I hope that is the case for the children's sake but the statistics say otherwise. I don't hate or judge, simply observe. My feelings for the mother and her three children was sadness and empathy. Something is wrong with America and the powers to be at the moment are not suggesting anything to correct the situation. Unfortunately, just the opposite.

When we heard Obama this past week talking about the pain he felt being followed in stores because he is part black and car doors locking it was clear he was about in tears. What he didn't say was that he knew Zimmerman would not be charged with Civil Rights Violations because the feds already investigated and prosecuted Mr. Zimmerman and Obama and Holder know the facts do not support the charge. It is wrong that a person who is elected to represent all Americans cannot separate their personal feelings from the job at hand. Leading the people.

Educate yourself with facts, not emotion. It will do a world of good for everyone.

July 21, 2013 at 10:23 a.m.
Ki said...

PlainTruth said... Ki: Cut the bs, man. Laughner, Lanza, Holmes, have been called much worse than punks...on this forum.

sure they were. Like tifosi stated, you guys were more concerned about losing your 2nd amendment rights that scattered dead bodies, even if those dead bodies were children.

July 21, 2013 at 10:25 a.m.
Ki said...

whatsthefuss said... Continued The large white woman with the three bi-racial children the media continued to show the night of the verdict was a very sad sight. Here is a white woman with three small children and the thought ran thru my mind. Where is the father of these three small children. I know many of you will say I'm racist for making such a comment and the father is at work and I hope that is the case for the children's sake but the statistics say otherwise

"large white woman, with three-bi-racial children, where was the father?"

Why would you make such an obvious racist and bigoted comment and expect no one to see right through it? Why would you ASSume there's no father in the household just because the children are bi-racial and likely the product of a white/black relationship? Why the large-white-woman comment? Oh, I've overheard the racist comments by racists about black men and large (a gentler term they use)often used to describe interracial relationships between blacks and whites. One in fact, a local white cop, once suggested that all children of such relationships are messed up in the head.

btw-there are *large white women with three and more white children whose white fathers aren't in the homes. And you really want to impress on everyone that your comment isn't racially bias?

July 21, 2013 at 10:32 a.m.
alprova said...

rick1 wrote: "I know Al doesn't agree with me but if it wasn't for the mandatory sentencing Alexander would not be doing 20 years. She was convicted of aggravated assault."

Now put on your thinking cap for just a moment. Who did she assault? Think REAL hard. You agree with that finding based on what has been written about what took place in her home on that day?

"The question Al should be asking is why didn't the State ask that aggravated assault be considered in the Zimmerman case along with 2nd degree murder and manslaughter? It was the same prosecutor in both cases."

She sure should have. I think we may have finally found something we agree on, or was that just completely hypothetical on your part?

You're convinced that George Zimmerman did not one thing wrong and that the defense he launched was not a lie from the minute he stood up over Trayvon Martin's corpse.

July 21, 2013 at 10:32 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

KI said "sure they were. Like tifosi stated, you guys were more concerned about losing your 2nd amendment rights that scattered dead bodies, even if those dead bodies were children."

sounding more and more like Easy

July 21, 2013 at 10:44 a.m.
alprova said...

Whatsthefuss wrote: "Who has taken the time to read George Zimmerman's written statement to the police on the day of the shooting? If you have not and only listened to your favorite news program please take the time to read what Mr. Zimmerman wrote and please remember there was an eye witness to the altercation and it was written that day unlike prosecution testimony that had over a year to develop before it was presented to the jury."

Please take 20 minutes to listen to George Zimmmerman's own words and recollections of that night. After you listen to that, tell me you still believe that the man was totally innocent and that he was truthful in his defense.

Pay close attention to the sound of a cocking gun during while he was on the phone with the Sanford Police Department. Listen to the number of times that he changed his story, even at the suggestion of the investigating officers.

July 21, 2013 at 10:47 a.m.
tifosi said...

Will the real Easy 123 please stand up. These guys sure are worried aboutcha.

July 21, 2013 at 10:49 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Hey Rev ALpo: What about that car washer? Hmmm?

July 21, 2013 at 10:50 a.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "sounding more and more like Easy"

If I were to write that you need to change your Depends and take a swig from your bottle of Ensure, will you accuse me of being Easy123?

I'm about the only one left who has not been accused by you of being the man.

C'mon...Easy's gone. Quit trying to create a problem that no longer exists.

July 21, 2013 at 10:53 a.m.
Ki said...

PlainTruth said... KI said "sure they were. Like tifosi stated, you guys were more concerned about losing your 2nd amendment rights that scattered dead bodies, even if those dead bodies were children." sounding more and more like Easy

Easy must really have your bloomers all up in a wad. You're obsessed with him/her, obviously.

July 21, 2013 at 10:55 a.m.
jesse said...

Al, that pistol is a double action!! You don't "cock" it ,you just pull the trigger!!

George is guilty of being a dumb,fat latino and thats ALL!

July 21, 2013 at 10:57 a.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "Hey Rev ALpo: What about that car washer? Hmmm?"

Good golly, I'm well aware that you're not known for being, let's say congnitive, but this is getting ridiculous. The other day, I had to point out three times that I responded to your inquiry.

I answered you @ 10:16

I wouldn't want you to get lost trying to look it up, so here's a link that will take you right to the post;

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2013/jul/21/good-luck/#c238329

July 21, 2013 at 10:58 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Not obsessing on Easy. Hell, I miss his stupidity. But Ki is taking up some of the slack.

July 21, 2013 at 11:02 a.m.
alprova said...

"Al, that pistol is a double action!! You don't "cock" it ,you just pull the trigger!!"

Okay, so I'm not well versed on the proper way to describe the sound of a gun being prepared for firing. The fact remains that there is a comparison of sounds of that exact same gun being loaded or prepared for use.

Why don't you listen to the recordings and see if you hear what I did? Maybe you have an explanation for what was recorded.

"George is guilty of being a dumb,fat latino and thats ALL!"

On the contrary. The man seems to be rather intelligent. He knew enough about the law to stand up over a dead boy he had just shot and to launch a defense that allowed him to get away with murder.

July 21, 2013 at 11:04 a.m.
whatsthefuss said...

Ki,

I see your point. I should have used fat or extremely obese instead of large. Sorry. I didn't mean to touch on such a sore subject with you. Maybe a little quality Frisbee time along with that wonderful sunshine with your loyal dog will help. Hey, where are we having lunch today. I would have loved to join you yesterday but you never did say where? I have suggested to Clay in the past the thought of a "Annual Times Free Press Dysfunctional Family Picnic." I guess some things are simply not meant to be. How sad,,,,, Frowney Face

July 21, 2013 at 11:05 a.m.
Ki said...

PlainTruth said... Not obsessing on Easy. Hell, I miss his stupidity. But Ki is taking up some of the slack.

Let's consider that a compliment. 'Cause, from reading some of the back and forth accusing everyone of being him/her, Easy show-nuf must have had y'alls asses on the run. LOL!

July 21, 2013 at 11:05 a.m.

A bigot? Look you big tub of lard, once again you prove that what you lefties do best is throw your poop around like a bunch of apes. The sagger set, and the hoodie set have created their own mess. If you behave like a thug, then you pay the consequences. Chicago is overrun by black thugs, not Swedish thugs, Lithuanian thugs, Chilean thugs, Chinese thugs, but black thugs, or black thug wannabes. What's the problem with you lefties that you can't call things for what they are? You're politically correct bull$#@% has destroyed this country. If we profile Muslim men, Illegal aliens from Mexico, or Black teenage thugs then we're called bigots or racists. If nearly 100% of specific crimes are committed by specific groups, then they deserve all the criticism they deserve. Tough cookies.

The other day Chris Mathews actually apologized for "all white people" for the TM-GZ case. How absolutely disgusting. He epitomizes the left. Just flat out stupid.

Who's targeting law-abiding, tax paying, regular folks who happen to be black? Nobody is.

Just like the Mafia has done damage to the reputation of Americans of Italian ancestry over the years, black thugs in the year 2013 have done massive damage to the "black community"

You can kiss my a$$, Alprova, you pompous, arrogant, insufferable know-it-all. I take every- one on an individual basis. I have one neighbor who is black who is a CPA and is a terrific guy and I have all the respect in the world for him. There's another guy who is black who lives a few houses down that has taught his children nothing about respect and boundaries and I can't stand them. There's a white trash family that pretty much gave me all the reason to move out of my old neighborhood. You don't know what you're talking about. You post a lot, but you're just a leftist ass.

July 21, 2013 at 11:06 a.m.
Ki said...

whatsthefuss said... Ki, I see your point. I should have used fat or extremely obese instead of large. Sorry. I didn't mean to touch on such a sore subject with you

No, you did what your ilk normally do when exposed for all the word to see. You pretend concern as a cover and in order to feel justified in continuing racially bias insults, believing no one will catch on. You know your intent, and so do everyone else who read and have read these comments. And they're not just locally paying attention either. Trust me.

July 21, 2013 at 11:09 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Zablee got it all going on.

July 21, 2013 at 11:12 a.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "Not obsessing on Easy. Hell, I miss his stupidity."

Aw now...c'mon...tell the truth. You love to argue and to stir people up to the point that they will exchange insults with you.

You're the poster child of someone with a passive-aggressive disorder. After you finally piss someone off, you then claim victim status and feign any knowledge as to what started it all.

You miss Easy123 alright. He was the only one who fed you the sustenance you crave as a forum troll.

July 21, 2013 at 11:14 a.m.
Ki said...

zabledooflus said: The sagger set, and the hoodie set have created their own mess

Then you're saying in essence women deserve to be raped, because some wear shorts and halter tops, make-up, flip flops, sandals. That pedophiles who prey on children because the children provoke them. Nice sense of values and a moral compass you have there. Keep talking. The world is watching. You're showing a true side of America's character much of the world suspect existed but never before had proof. Until now. :*(

Who's targeting law-abiding, tax paying, regular folks who happen to be black? Nobody is.

Yes, law-abiding, tax-paying, regular black folks are being, have been, targeted and racially profiled. Both by their neighbors and police (even locally). Especially in racially mixed communities. That's what police have instructed at those neighborhood meetings. That's where Zimmerman likely got much of his inspiration and encouragement. From police in attendance at those meetings. Who advised them on what constitutes a suspicious character. For far too man, black skin is still regarded as a suspicion even in modern day 21ST century, supposedly, race blind America.

Well, Tally Ho'! Mates. Another beautiful day outside an I've been invited to go boating. see ya!

July 21, 2013 at 11:15 a.m.
alprova said...

zableedofisterix, I'm going to let your post just sit there and speak for itself. No need to respond at all.

LMAO!!

July 21, 2013 at 11:18 a.m.
jesse said...

Al, I listened to what your talking about and it's too loud to be a gun being cocked and not loud enough to be chambering a round!

It sounds to me like maybe a ring or something taping on the phone!

When you cock a pistol it's just ONE click when the hammer engages the SEAR!(the thingy that holds the hammer back till you pull the trigger!) When you chamber a round it's louder and a longer sound! (Like 1/2 of shuckin a pump shotgun!!)

July 21, 2013 at 11:23 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Alpo: Do you prepare the taxes for "clients" after selling them a one-owner cream puff?

July 21, 2013 at 11:24 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

Justice inequality is not a myth. It is a reality for too many AMERICANS. Justice for black Americans is far to often an elusive dream.

There is a possibility but not a probability that you can successfully argue that point but not with the case you selected to ride to victory.

Surely we have exhausted all the arguments in the George Zimmerman case. He won his freedom. A civil rights case may be explored but all of us know that it likely will never be filed.

So you’re throwing in the towel on sending GZ to prison and will divert to trying to prove he got preferential treatment as verses Alexander?

But what about Marissa Alexander? She's currently in prison after being convicted and sentenced to serve 20 years for a crime that was never a crime at all. She stood her ground. She killed no one. She shot no one.

Not exactly

She was protecting herself from being physically beaten by her husband. who had broken into her home, (It was not her home and even though they had been married only two months before she had not lived at that residence since the wedding) whom she had an order of protection in place, who was not supposed to be in that home (It was his home).

When she reached her gun, she had already been subjected to an attempted strangulation and other physical trauma prior to running out to her garage where the gun was stashed. (the gun was in her car in the garage and she had entered his house probably illegally while he was not at home)

After retrieving the gun, she went back into the house to face her husband, (This action voided her SYG claim) and when she met him in the hall, she fired one warning shot (she claimed it was a warning but he told police that she just miss killing him as he begged for his life) in the direction of a room where two children were standing." The bullet went into the ceiling of the same area they were standing in.

The husband ran out of the home, called the police, alleging that Marissa had shot at him and his two sons. She was arrested immediately.

The Judge conducting her "Stand Your Ground" trial, ruled that her decision to go back into the house "was not consistent with someone fearing for their life." (Exactly as when she left the house to get in her car she was no longer in any danger or “standing her ground”)

(cont)

July 21, 2013 at 11:24 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

(cont)

She was convicted of 3 counts of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon with no intent to harm. In a pre-trial statement, under oath, Rico Gray admitted that he was the aggressor, threatened her life and was so enraged that he did not know what he would do. (he admitted later that he lied in his pre-trial statement to try and get her out of trouble and that she discussed with him what he should say in the statement and thus witness tampering)

Rico Gray had been arrested for domestic violence twice prior to that day – once for abuse against Marissa Alexander. That attack landed Marissa Alexander in the hospital.(that is true but prior actions did not justify her assault on him and she was arrested and plead guilty to assault on her husband a few months after the shooting. After the shooting she had sworn in court that she would have no contact with her husband but later admitted to many such contacts)

This case has been brought up in this forum twice, maybe three times. I've yet to read a word from any of you GZ supporters offering to defend what this woman did to save her life.

(All the support I can give this woman is that she was given a mandatory 20 years which seems excessive but she did have a plea deal of three years that she stupidly turned down)

Marissa Alexander is black. Her husband was black. She is not a thug. To the best of my research, Marissa Alexander had never been in trouble her entire life. Yet, she sits in prison and George Zimmerman is free.

(Everything connected to this case suggests she may have not been caught for any prior trouble she may have engaged in or she is a very quick learner when it comes to illegal activity.)

Enough with the names, the accusations, and the arguments.

No one is asking you to go down to Florida and to hold a protest sign. No one is asking you to inconvenience yourself for more than a minute that it takes to sign a petition calling for her release.

(I doubt I will get involved with this thug or her thug husband)

This is one that we should all agree on. Every single one of us.

(Absolutely not)

July 21, 2013 at 11:26 a.m.
degage said...

Al, You are so right, the woman was railroaded. I would think she returned to the house with the gun to protect her children from an enraged man. We have heard of fathers or mothers killing the children to get even with their spouse. The reason we didn't hear about it is the media and NAACP really don't care about black on black or white on white. Had Martin been white or Zimmerman been black we would not have heard anything about them either.

July 21, 2013 at 11:27 a.m.
alprova said...

jesse wrote: "Al, I listened to what your talking about and it's too loud to be a gun being cocked and not loud enough to be chambering a round!"

Whatever the sound was, they matched perfectly the way I heard it. The sound quality difference can be explained by the fact that they were inventorying the gun in a closed room, whereas in the phone call, he was out in the open air.

"It sounds to me like maybe a ring or something taping on the phone!"

Okay, let's say you are right. Why would a ring "tap" on the phone unless Zimmerman was not running? His voice was shaky as well. Does that not indicate that he lied to the police?

"When you cock a pistol it's just ONE click when the hammer engages the SEAR!(the thingy that holds the hammer back till you pull the trigger!) When you chamber a round it's louder and a longer sound! (Like 1/2 of shuckin a pump shotgun!!)"

I'll have to take your word on that, which I'm sure is correct.

I own two older pistols that have to be manually reloaded one bullet at a time. I'm not very gun knowledgeable nor have I ever been inclined to be.

I shot a Glock Nine one time. I skinned my index finger all the way to my thumb. Nope. Never again.

July 21, 2013 at 11:33 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Alpo and his ilk don't care about black on black. Too focused on racial divide. Patently obvious.

July 21, 2013 at 11:34 a.m.
jesse said...

Al,I'm starting to sympathize somewhat w/your ideas about P.T.!!

I wish everybody would quit bringing up Easy, it might bring him back on here!

W/dude nooga and a coupla more leaving it got rather civil around here for a short while!!

July 21, 2013 at 11:47 a.m.
rick1 said...

Ki posted "When he spoke he likely knew very little to nothing about how Florida courts work in cahoots to manipulate the laws to control the outcome."

Of course you have nothing to support this allegation.

July 21, 2013 at 11:50 a.m.
joepulitzer said...

CLAY BENNETT: Double, double toil and trouble; Fire burn, and caldron bubble.

July 21, 2013 at 11:51 a.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "Alpo: Do you prepare the taxes for "clients" after selling them a one-owner cream puff?"

I have never done income taxes for any customers. I do my own business and income taxes and those for some family members ONLY.

You've been to my site, obviously. Did you see any evidence that I invite people to bring their W-2's in for a down-payment?

I deal in cash.

The clientèle related to my work as a CPA, which I have personally and voluntarily dwindled down from a couple of hundred to a very small handful, involves investment audits and 401k plan administration.

July 21, 2013 at 11:53 a.m.
rick1 said...

tifosi posted "A man that was duly elected by the American people. You guys sound like poor losers and you spit on the American people."

And the liberals have still not gotten over the fact that Bush won the election in 2000 and never gave him the respect of being duly elected. No liberals are never poor losers.

July 21, 2013 at 11:54 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

So basically, the CPA legend was a scam, and you're primarily a used car man. About right?

July 21, 2013 at 11:55 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

What I find hilarious is how Easy would always rag on someone for changing their identifier. Wouldn't be wonderful for him to now receive some of the same if in fact he has done so as well... don’t you think so Ki?

July 21, 2013 at 12:01 p.m.
tifosi said...

rick1- I challenge you to go back and find ANY TIME that I have used personally derogatory words to describe ANY President of the United States of America. DO IT.

July 21, 2013 at 12:08 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Don’t you think that if someone was really a CPA they could obtain gainful employment that would give a better and more secure income that running a very small used car lot. Didn’t alprova once say that he left his last CPA position in a dispute with his former employer. I wonder if that may have something to do with it?

I know how you want to reply Al but you do believe in Karma after all so PT is entitled ... know what I mean?

July 21, 2013 at 12:11 p.m.
rick1 said...

Al posted "Now put on your thinking cap for just a moment. Who did she assault? Think REAL hard. You agree with that finding based on what has been written about what took place in her home on that day?"

Al now it is time for you to put your thinking cap on. Here is the Florida Statute on Assault and Aggravated Assault.

The 2012 Florida Statutes Title XLVI CRIMES

Chapter 784 ASSAULT; BATTERY; CULPABLE NEGLIGENCE

View Entire Chapter 784.011 Assault.— (1) An “assault” is an intentional, unlawful threat by word or act to do violence to the person of another, coupled with an apparent ability to do so, and doing some act which creates a well-founded fear in such other person that such violence is imminent.

(2) Whoever commits an assault shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree

Chapter 784 ASSAULT; BATTERY; CULPABLE NEGLIGENCE

784.021 Aggravated assault.— (1) An “aggravated assault” is an assault: (a) With a deadly weapon without intent to kill; or

(b) With an intent to commit a felony.

(2) Whoever commits an aggravated assault shall be guilty of a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

From what is posted online she met the elements of committing the crime of aggravated assault and was properly charged.

July 21, 2013 at 12:16 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

tifosi said...

rick1- I challenge you to go back and find ANY TIME that I have used personally derogatory words to describe ANY President of the United States of America. DO IT.

I thought the last time we addressed this you claimed that you always refer to them with respect by always using the word “president” before their correct and proper name. Why is your criteria different now?

July 21, 2013 at 12:16 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

ALPO...looking for an '85 Yogo, one owner. Can you hook me up?

(not ragging on used car salesmen...it's the disingenuousness of Honest Alpo that is galling..selling cars is as American as apple pie)

July 21, 2013 at 12:16 p.m.
rick1 said...

tifosi why don't you go back and show where I specifically mentioned you as insulting or using derogatory terms against the President. DO IT.

July 21, 2013 at 12:19 p.m.
tifosi said...

"I thought the last time we addressed this you claimed that you always refer to them with respect by always using the word “president” before their correct and proper name. Why is your criteria different now?"

Show me where I have not done this.

Rick1 - Show me where any liberal has used the foul language used by so called "conservatives". Kind of sad that you would use such an excuse to spit on the American people and our democracy.

July 21, 2013 at 12:19 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Ki said...

Responding alprova said: The Judge conducting her "Stand Your Ground" trial, ruled that her decision to go back into the house "was not consistent with someone fearing for their life."

Especially interesting in how the SYG law is applied, since Zimmerman's decision to follow, confront and engage Martin was considered consistent with someone fearing for their life, and that's why he's a free man

Since you are implying that GZ got preferential treatment over this woman why don’t you take the facts from both cases and create some coherent and rational response to how this was accomplished... if you are in any way competent to do so

July 21, 2013 at 12:23 p.m.
alprova said...

{T wrote: "So basically, the CPA legend was a scam, and you're primarily a used car man. About right?"

You know what? You figure it out and believe whatever you want. I have no idea what you are basing this "scam" claim on.

I've been a licensed and practicing CPA for more than thirty years.

The fact is that I have been involved in the ownership of several businesses over my lifetime, some of them at the same time I did full-time or part-time CPA work.

You and I have conversed outside of this forum. You know my health issues. I am winding down to one business, which does not require much physical or mental attention from me to operate it.

The fact is that I am up to 17 different medications that I must take to keep me alive. Due to my last set of labs two days ago, I just crossed the finish line to qualify for automatic and 100% disability, thank you very much.

I've got much more to worry about than whether or not someone believes me to be a fraud or a scam artist.

I'm trying to survive.

July 21, 2013 at 12:27 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

tifosi said...

rick1 - Speaking of moving on. Didn't the Supreme Court uphold Obamacare?

Considering Obama’s recent actions and all of the difficulty Obamacare is encountering I think he may feel now that the SCOTUS may have done him a disservice. If they had overruled the plan he could have had a handy talking point of how he try to do the right thing but the evil court has blocked his good deed. But no he is left struggling with this albatross around his neck.

July 21, 2013 at 12:29 p.m.
tifosi said...

Confess - you like doing bastards in the backdoor.

July 21, 2013 at 12:33 p.m.
tifosi said...

Squeal like a pig JonRoss!!! Show us your purdee lips.

July 21, 2013 at 12:36 p.m.
rick1 said...

Jt I find it interesting Al and some other liberals have shown no concern over the children's safety after it was reported by State Attorney Angela Corey "the gun was fired near a bedroom where two children were and they could have been injured."

I guess control is also a matter of convenience when it meets their agenda.

July 21, 2013 at 12:37 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Alpo, sorry about your health. But don't try to sell the fact that you didn't spin a false legend here.

July 21, 2013 at 12:40 p.m.
alprova said...

JT wrote: "Don’t you think that if someone was really a CPA they could obtain gainful employment that would give a better and more secure income that running a very small used car lot."

My dear, you have no idea how much more money I have made in the past year and a half selling used cars. As an investment, it has paid me more than I ever made investing in mutuals and stocks.

"Didn’t alprova once say that he left his last CPA position in a dispute with his former employer."

I'm not about to explain or rehash a thing with you. You twist and turn every known fact just to throw feces into people's faces for fun.

I will tell you this much. I took a position as an employee of a business for three years for the health insurance. Those three years are the ONLY years that I was not self-employed or not employed contractually, since 1983.

"I know how you want to reply Al but you do believe in Karma after all so PT is entitled ... know what I mean?"

Yes I do, but then I'm not hiding behind a computer monitor in the midst of a dart throwing contest, am I?

July 21, 2013 at 12:44 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

tifosi said...

Show me where I have not done this.

tifosi said...

Choice

"Ronald Reagan would have - based on his record of finding some degree of common ground, as would my dad - they would have a hard time if you define the Republican Party … as having an orthodoxy that doesn't allow for disagreement, doesn't allow for finding some common ground," Bush said.

July 7, 2013 at 4:38 p.m.

That was easy and your most recent one but last time I had a much longer list. I think this will be sufficient this time to once again prove you be a liar.

July 21, 2013 at 12:49 p.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "Alpo, sorry about your health. But don't try to sell the fact that you didn't spin a false legend here."

Don't pretend to be sorry. You've started it. So let's finish it.

Look...if you have an iota of proof that I have ever spun a "false legend" in this forum, let's get it all out on the table.

What exactly gives you cause to accuse me of not being truthful to a thing I have ever claimed?

July 21, 2013 at 12:50 p.m.
joepulitzer said...

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July 21, 2013 at 12:55 p.m.
rick1 said...

I would really encourage all of us to step back for a moment and take a look at this video. There are no words that can describe what you are about to see. It is very emotional and inspirational.

July 21, 2013 at 12:56 p.m.
joepulitzer said...

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July 21, 2013 at 1:03 p.m.
tifosi said...

Jt6gR3hM: That was a direct quote from a published newspaper article. Those were not my words. Try again.

Great article though. You should read it and try to understand why the GOP is losing today. See last paragraph:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/bob-dole-today-gop-dismiss-reagan-nixon-article-1.1355137

July 21, 2013 at 1:09 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

CNN and MSNBC has been hitting it pretty hard in the last few days, which is where I first learned of it.

I bet that neither of those fine upstanding media withheld any information that was critical of the viewpoint they were pushing.

What really should blow your mind is that the prosecutor who went after George Zimmerman is the very same one who prosecuted Marissa Alexander. Angela Corey.

Well a blind pig finds an acorn every now and then

Jesse Jackson met with Marissa Alexander on July 13th where she is being held and he did make a public statement.

When Jesse finds out he is getting little traction on this one he will disappear in a flash.

Al Sharpton seems to be less involved, but that may change soon, given that the case is just now gaining national attention. He was contacted a year ago.

As big a race-baiter as he is he will probably try this one as well

If ever there was a case where a jury got it completely wrong, this is it.

Hardly

July 21, 2013 at 1:13 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

tifosi said...

Your sources are not very credible. Obviously right-wing agenda. Which explains a lot of your reasoning.

tifosi said...

rick1- I stopped at the cns news. Figured you were brain washed at that point.

tifosi said...

You are not worthy.

The classic response of someone with no return counterpoint,

July 21, 2013 at 1:17 p.m.
rick1 said...

Al posted at 1:52am "Enough with the names, the accusations, and the arguments."

Al poted at 8:53am "As one who has vehemently defended GZ, and to not see this case as a total travesty of justice, you clearly hate blacks and you must believe that they all deserve to be behind bars."

Always trying to be the statesman until someone doesn't agree with you.

July 21, 2013 at 1:26 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

tifosi said...

Jt6gR3hM: That was a direct quote from a published newspaper article. Those were not my words. Try again.

I don’t think so since you gave no attribution you own it and you only had to Google the quote to locate an article to attach it to for a little CYA. I proved this twice now and I’m sure you’ll try this lie again in the future and I get a third time to prove it again.

July 21, 2013 at 1:27 p.m.
alprova said...

joe pulitzer wrote: "FOLKS, WOULD YOU BUY A USED CAR FROM alkarma?"

Would anyone nominate you for a Pulitzer Prize?

July 21, 2013 at 1:41 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Ki said...

AndrewLohr said... Black-on-black crime is OK but GZ is not?

Is this your admission that Zimmerman is a criminal?

Did you pull a muscle when you extracted that one?

Why no outrage about the bigger problem?

The outcome of Zimmerman's trial is the bigger problem.

No it was delightful justice for all of you race-baiters that pushed this travesty.

July 21, 2013 at 1:44 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Rev ALpo: anyone that has followed this for awhile knows you implicitly posted as a CPA.

July 21, 2013 at 1:46 p.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "Rev ALpo: anyone that has followed this for awhile knows you implicitly posted as a CPA."

Go back and read my posts around November of 2011. And for the record, I am still a licensed and practicing CPA.

July 21, 2013 at 1:49 p.m.
alprova said...

JT wrote: "I don’t think so since you gave no attribution you own it and you only had to Google the quote to locate an article to attach it to for a little CYA."

As someone who hasn't properly attributed a thing you have cut and pasted in quite sometime, you're being more than hypocritical.

"I proved this twice now and I’m sure you’ll try this lie again in the future and I get a third time to prove it again."

My dear, you will forever be a legend in your own mind. You throw darts. You dance around everything on waffle loafers. You prove very little, if anything.

July 21, 2013 at 2:04 p.m.
jesse said...

Lets see what ya got P.T.

Al and easy wern't bashful when they laid the paddle to your arz!!

I wish somebody would OUT EASY, I got a SERIOUS bone to pick w/him!!

July 21, 2013 at 2:07 p.m.
alprova said...

Les wrote: "I have to confess, I have always believed Obama was a lying son of a bitch, long before he became president. It is at the core of his soul."

And given your record of honesty, ethics and solvency, you consider yourself a good judge of character?

"I am giving the bastard all of the respect he deserves."

What goes around, comes around.

"Let the bottom feeding lefties begin their frenzy."

Who cares what you think. Your claim to fame is a sewer pipe that runs underground. I'm paying the City of Rossville $21.00 a month for my use of it. How much have you collected so far?

July 21, 2013 at 2:12 p.m.
alprova said...

rick1 wrote: "I find it interesting Al and some other liberals have shown no concern over the children's safety after it was reported by State Attorney Angela Corey "the gun was fired near a bedroom where two children were and they could have been injured."..."

Had they even come close to being injured, you might have a point. The fact was that they weren't, the husband changed his testimony to make it appear to be more dangerous than it ever was, and he convinced one of his sons to testify against her.

"I guess control is also a matter of convenience when it meets their agenda."

You're begging and pleading anything that will justify your defense of GZ and your total disregard of Marissa Alexander.

Your agenda to demean all black people would be in peril if you had to admit that her race prevented her from benefiting from the same law that allowed the murderer of another black to go free.

July 21, 2013 at 2:21 p.m.
alprova said...

jesse wrote: "Lets see what ya got P.T."

Yes...let's see what you've got. Post it.

"Al and easy wern't bashful when they laid the paddle to your arz!!"

And I made my apologies and admissions, which were accepted.

"I wish somebody would OUT EASY, I got a SERIOUS bone to pick w/him!!"

Well, let's face it. You're a little passive-aggressive yourself. You go back and forth between being friendly and now you're apparently interested in knowing more about me.

Until the other day, you were the only one who knew my full name.

You tipped off PT, didn't you?

That's okay. I've got nothing to hide, nor a thing to fear.

July 21, 2013 at 2:32 p.m.
jesse said...

DIDN"T do that Al. I don't play those kinda games!

P.T. Hisown self will tell you the same!

Who you are and what you do is your buis!

I have NO idea how he I.D'D you BUT it was not from me!

He emailed me and asked me where the "jesse"came from and i sent back "because it's short and easy to spell" and that was the end of that!PERIOT!

July 21, 2013 at 2:44 p.m.
rick1 said...

Al posted "Had they even come close to being injured, you might have a point. The fact was that they weren't, the husband changed his testimony to make it appear to be more dangerous than it ever was, and he convinced one of his sons to testify against her."

And you know all of this how? Is this what you are getting off the internet or have you actually read the police report and the transcripts from the court proceedings? It would be nice for you to back up what you present as fact.

I don't have to justify the defense of Zimmerman he was found not guilty by a jury.

Your problem Al is like I said yesterday, when you did not get your way in the verdict of the Zimmerman you threw a temper tantrum. I do not agree with you so I'm a racists and hate blacks, the jury did not find Zimmerman guilty and they are racists, the judge did not grant the SYG defense in the Alexander case and they are a racists. The race card is getting old Al and you have played it more then enough times.

July 21, 2013 at 3:02 p.m.
DJHBRAINERD said...

Would any of you like a hint as to what is like to walk in someone else's shoes? If you truly believe what you post ,that blacks can/should somehow live up to YOUR standards, why don't you spend an evening at Mocha. When you walk in you may well be the only nonblack in the room. Walk straight to the bar look the fellow in the eye and order a drink. The entire experience may be refreshing to your world view and your pallet. If there is a Jazz band at Mocha it may become your new favorite hangout. But make sure you dress to impress , we wouldn't want the door man to turn you away! Do this and have a small taste of what it is like, if only for a moment, to be a minority away from your comfort zone.

July 21, 2013 at 3:05 p.m.
DJHBRAINERD said...

As far as Travon has it occurred to anyone here that the guy may have been lost? Dark raining first night in a new place and talking on the phone. He may have been looking at those units trying to figure out where he was staying. Circling back because he pasted his row. I wasn't hiding in the bushes or in Jesse's kitchen so I will not speculate further as to what happened but to suggest anyone here knows anything about what happened is a waste of time and energy.

July 21, 2013 at 3:13 p.m.
tifosi said...

Seems like some in the GOP still have their senses. Senator John McCain is calling for a review of the "Stand Your Ground" laws.

http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/07/21/19597091-mccain-joins-obama-in-calling-for-review-of-stand-your-ground-laws?lite

July 21, 2013 at 3:45 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Hey ALPO: You sent me an email with your name all over it, you nimrod

July 21, 2013 at 4:22 p.m.
alprova said...

rick1 wrote: "And you know all of this how? Is this what you are getting off the internet or have you actually read the police report and the transcripts from the court proceedings? It would be nice for you to back up what you present as fact."

Sir, I provided links to her own word on that, not that you ever read or listen to anything that would have a direct implication on anything.

You've never listened to the George Zimmerman recordings.

So please...don't you dare lecture me on how to discover evidence.

July 21, 2013 at 4:37 p.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "Hey ALPO: You sent me an email with your name all over it, you nimrod"

Well Sh1t. I totally forgot about that.

Sorry Jesse.

July 21, 2013 at 4:40 p.m.
limric said...

I dunno Clay.

After my visit to the ‘Imagiarium of Dr. Parnassuss’ I evision this a satirist (though possible) version of a young Barack Obama in the years before, or as, a young senator. A look tinged with resentment as the taxi passes him by; at being (un)fairly perceived as a ”threat to ladies in elevators and clerks in department stores, or people in their locked unlocked cars because of the color of his skin” --------

------ Before he becomes a bonafied threat to sovereignty, children, ladies in elevators and clerks in department stores, weddings, people in unlocked cars or anything dubiously threatening US authority because his moral compass has skewed, and points ever more more towards ‘thug like’ indifference. This by implementing foreign & domestic policies that (while putting on a straight face) accelerate the degradation human dignity and their rights by the increased use of candle snuffers (metaphorically) in attempt to ‘quietly’ extinguish justice and lberty here and around the world; conceivably making the color of his skin the only thing about him people (some) still find likable. Ironic isn’t it?

Obama said toward the end of his remarks. “I think it’s going to be important for all of us to do some soul-searching,” He clearly had already done some. But doesn’t really understand what it is.

July 21, 2013 at 4:45 p.m.
alprova said...

rick1 wrote: "Your problem Al is like I said yesterday, when you did not get your way in the verdict of the Zimmerman you threw a temper tantrum."

I have hardly thrown a temper tantrum. I have stated at least twice that the jury had no choice in the matter.

"I do not agree with you so I'm a racists and hate blacks, the jury did not find Zimmerman guilty and they are racists, the judge did not grant the SYG defense in the Alexander case and they are a racists. The race card is getting old Al and you have played it more then enough times."

I haven't accused anyone of being a racist. I challenge you to post where I have.

Unlike many, I do know the true definition of racism.

You have demonstrated yourself to be a racial bigot. Those who stood in judgment of both cases may well have been the same, because equality in justice slipped through every one their fingers.

Reading the comments from some of you on the Marissa Alexander case, I expected a little unity and common ground. Only one person today has expressed that they intend to sign the petition for her release.

I don't know why, but I am a bit shocked by that.

I've got some of you pegged correctly.

July 21, 2013 at 4:50 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

So Rev ALpo: You say "Those who stood in judgment of both cases may well have been the same, because equality in justice slipped through every one their fingers." So you're for jury nullifiation? YOU stated that the jury had no choice. So what else is there but nullification?

July 21, 2013 at 4:55 p.m.
Ki said...

Jt6gR3hM said... What I find hilarious is how Easy would always rag on someone for changing their identifier. Wouldn't be wonderful for him to now receive some of the same if in fact he has done so as well... don’t you think so Ki....

From your comment, directed specifically towards me, we'll assume you actually think I' am this easy person. You're be surprised, shocked even. I am not he/she. However, I consider it an honor you believe otherwise, and so many are so obsessed with this easy individual. Apparently, he/she made some kind of emotional impact on all of you for you to be so obsessed with him/her, present or absent.

Yep! Um back...got caught in the rain, had to cut the boating expedition short. ;)

July 21, 2013 at 5:03 p.m.
alprova said...

JonRoss wrote: "There are a lot of things that Obama could say to help calm the waters, but he refuses."

Please. Enlighten me for a moment. What do you believe he could say that would "calm the waters." Are the waters that choppy?

The nation didn't erupt in riots as was predicted. Protests have been many, but with very few arrests.

"He doesn't want peace or civility in this country."

Of course not. He stood behind that microphone and he called for the people to rise up and to do mayhem and great damage to property and to kill every white person you see.

"That would prevent him from achieving his political goals."

Can you cite one of those goals that people like you are always referring to? What specific goal did the President orate in his speech the day before yesterday that has your boxers in a bunch?

July 21, 2013 at 5:08 p.m.
fairmon said...

Alprova...seriously. Do you think the laws need to be changed or does the legal and trial process need to be changed, perhaps you have improvements in mind in both lf these areas?

I may be supportive of banning any publicizing of charges or court proceedings by anyone until there is a verdict.

July 21, 2013 at 5:18 p.m.
rick1 said...

Al posted "Sir, I provided links to her own word on that, not that you ever read or listen to anything that would have a direct implication on anything."

I only found two links you provided the first one will not open

http://www.change.org/petitions/free-marissa-alexander#share

The second one is an interview with Jessie Jackson

http://staugustine.com/news/local-news/2013-07-16/jesse-jackson-jacksonville-rips-angela-corey#.UevPaOUxfZ4

I didn't read where you provided her own words.

You make evidence up that is the problem

Al posted "I have hardly thrown a temper tantrum. I have stated at least twice that the jury had no choice in the matter."

Might want to go back to the comments Jr posted that you have made last week and today.

Al posted "You have demonstrated yourself to be a racial bigot."

Why because we do not agree on these two cases?

Earlier you posted "This is one that we should all agree on. Every single one of us." and you posted "I expected a little unity and common ground. Only one person today has expressed that they intend to sign the petition for her release."

"I don't know why, but I am a bit shocked by that."

"I've got some of you pegged correctly."

I do not agree with you so I'm a bigot and you said earlier that I hate blacks. Never mind you have nothing to base that on except you do not like my views, I'm not a fan of Obama and I did not agree with you on the Alexander case. You have proven my point that you do throw a tantrum when things do not go your way. You sir are a race baiter and you need to grow up because you can't always have things your way.

July 21, 2013 at 5:18 p.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "So you're for jury nullifiation? YOU stated that the jury had no choice. So what else is there but nullification?"

The way that SYG has been applied in many court cases, you bet I'm for nullification. I'm for it's repeal nationwide.

The chances that a jurist picked to sit in on a prolonged trial, who is not wealthy and thus likely to be progressive, is next to nothing. Most people who are liberal and poor cannot afford the loss of income that goes with such a duty, and are therefore excused.

The jury that ultimately was responsible for delivering the verdict that wound up sending Marissa Alexander to prison for 20 years pondered her fate for 14 minutes.

Not a lot of thought went into that verdict. The judge ruled that the prior history of abuse on Marissa Alexander by Rico Gray was inadmissible. The jury was totally unaware that Rico Gray had done a complete 180 degree turn on his testimony from his pre-trial depositions, as well.

I'm totally baffled as to why there is not a reasonable doubt in the minds of you people who gave George Zimmerman the same pass.

But that's alright. The signatures are piling up from across the country anyway, without your support.

July 21, 2013 at 5:28 p.m.
Ki said...

DJHBRAINERD said... Would any of you like a hint as to what is like to walk in someone else's shoes? If you truly believe what you post ,that blacks can/should somehow live up to YOUR standards, why don't you spend an evening at Mocha. When you walk in you may well be the only nonblack in the room. Walk straight to the bar look the fellow in the eye and order a drink. The entire experience may be refreshing to your world view and your pallet. If there is a Jazz band at Mocha it may become your new favorite hangout. But make sure you dress to impress , we wouldn't want the door man to turn you away

I agree, DJH. I know a few elderly black friends and have black relatives. They live in a racially mixed community. They've been there for decades and, although there have been difference over the years, people came to soften up, respect one another and get along. Children of all colors openly played in and out of white neighbors and black neighbors homes. Doors remained opened, people often forgot to lock their doors at night. Then newcomers began to move in and form those neighborhood watch programs. Police began to show up at those meetings to give ill advice. Now, when they walk through their neighborhood, and someone has exited their car will look around and see them then immediately activate their car alarms. This has happened on several difference occasions. So it's no accident, or misinterpretation of what is taking place. And these are elderly people who've lived in the community for near a half of century. They've been followed by neighbors, and one in particular who didn't even recognize them as the neighbor that lived less than a 1/2 block right down on the same street as their follower. Although the elderly couple recognized him right away and tried to make contact by speaking. The individual never spoke back. They've been followed around the community basically in the same fashion Martin was followed by Zimmerman. And they weren't sporting a hoodie, and one walks with a cane. So that's a lie when others suggest, or have outright said, Martins clothing made him suspicious.

Now, as in the Martin case, some here have suggest Martin should have identified himself. They'll likely say the same thing about this elderly couple. Which both Martin and the elderly couple did try to initiate contact, the elderly couple by speaking, Martin by asking why was he being followed. But shouldn't it be the duty of the paranoid suspicious person to make every effort to know his/her neighbors? Rather than walking around on a daily basis with a cloud of suspicions of everyone or anyone who looks different? Why move into a historically racially mixed community if you're going to be constantly suspicious and in fear of everyone who isn't the same color as you (the term you is not geared towards you personally, but a general term here?

July 21, 2013 at 5:30 p.m.
Ki said...

continued:

That's like the neighbor who buys a house next door to a duplex and complain the entire time about having to live next door to renters. The burden to prove one belongs is not the responsibility of the innocent individual going about their daily lives that white Americans take for granted. In fact, no one should have to prove they belong in any American community anyway just because they're a different color. This is America, and supposedly the nation that's been willing for decades, centuries to accept others from all parts of the world. And especially those who have been persecuted in other countries. Americans shouldn't be persecuted in America because of the color of their skin, and because a few others feel uncomfortable around them because of their skin color.

July 21, 2013 at 5:31 p.m.
alprova said...

rick1 wrote: "I only found two links you provided the first one will not open"

I'm baffled by that. It opens every time I click on it. Tey it this way;

http://www.change.org/petitions/free-marissa-alexander

"I didn't read where you provided her own words."

It's on the petition site.

"You make evidence up that is the problem"

That is a lie. I don't make up a damn thing.

"I do not agree with you so I'm a bigot and you said earlier that I hate blacks. Never mind you have nothing to base that on except you do not like my views, I'm not a fan of Obama and I did not agree with you on the Alexander case. You have proven my point that you do throw a tantrum when things do not go your way. You sir are a race baiter and you need to grow up because you can't always have things your way."

Hey I understand. It's not very easy to come right out these days in mixed company and to relate your true feelings. You've got to walk that fine line, and you do it like a Clydesdale.

July 21, 2013 at 5:45 p.m.
rick1 said...

PT, It is amazing Al was not in the courtroom during the Alexander trial nor has he read the court transcript of the trial yet he knows she is not guilty. The same with the Zimmerman trial he wasn't in the courtroom, nor did he watch the entire trial on TV and he did not read the court transcript of the trial but he knows Zimmerman was guilty.

I remember what Al would always say he researches and double checks before he posts because he only posts the truth. Well isn't that a big fat lie since he is only taking what he reads on the internet yet we know how creditable the mainstream media is. Let's not forget the doctoring of the Zimmerman tape.

Al when you become a lawyer then you can challenge the judges decision in court. Until then keep your pie hole shut on something you know nothing about.

July 21, 2013 at 5:47 p.m.
Ki said...

Alprova said: Please. Enlighten me for a moment. What do you believe he could say that would "calm the waters." Are the waters that choppy? The nation didn't erupt in riots as was predicted. Protests have been many, but with very few arrests.

Alprova, you can't reason with some of these people. The people they listen to have an agenda, and they're not even wise enough to realize they're not even a part of those individuals camp. And when those people are done and through with them, they'll kick them to the curb too.

It's not at all surprising to know the rightwinger ones fanning the flames behind the scenes.

Like a famous country singer who said this about Martin:

"17-year-old dope smoking, racist gangsta wannabe Trayvon Martin was at all responsible for his bad decisions and standard modus operendi of always taking the violent route."

This country singer also allegedly suggested that his opinion is that Martin deserved to get shot in the chest.

The thing is, this famous country singer, I'm sure anyone can figure out who he is, is likely taking some much more heavier duty drugs than Martin every took. And I've seen some commenters here make similar remarks (likely this type is where they're getting all this bad info from). They probably got it from this individual. The truth is, Martin only had trace amounts of marijuana in his system that could have been weeks or even moths old.

neuroscientist Dr. Carl Hart said the marijuana in Martin's system could not possibly have contributed to any aggression (not that marijuana use is linked aggression anyway) the night he was killed. However, rather than acknowledge this reality (and that whites use marijuana at much higher rates), country singer _(name here) peddles the racism-fueled myth linking drug use to bad behavior in Black people.

If Zimmerman had been tested for drugs that night, his tests would have likely been the one to come back showing dangerous level of prescription meds, other drugs (possibly illegal ones) and possibly alcohol in his system. After Zimmerman's assault on a law enforcement officer or it may have been when he was arrested for domestic violence, he was ordered into some type of alcohol behavioral treatment class.

July 21, 2013 at 5:52 p.m.
alprova said...

Fiarmon wroteL "Alprova...seriously. Do you think the laws need to be changed or does the legal and trial process need to be changed, perhaps you have improvements in mind in both lf these areas?"

We know that juries are instructed to consider the evidence only. I don't have any reason to believe that there are any rampant abuses based on that instruction.

These two cases illustrate that there is a very bad problem with the law itself in Florida and with the instructions handed to juries.

Under the law prior to 2006, both Zimmerman and Alexander would have been convicted, and rightfully so. Zimmerman's attorneys opted to not go for a SYG defense, and he walked. Alexander's court appointed attorney DID opt for a SYG defense, initially, and it was denied.

The law does not seem to be applied equally, in my opinion.

"I may be supportive of banning any publicizing of charges or court proceedings by anyone until there is a verdict."

We live in the technology age. In a few years, I'll bet that there will be channels filled with gavel to gavel coverage of many court trials.

July 21, 2013 at 5:56 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Yeah Alpo is like most lefty-tards. Forget the facts...it's about feeling.

July 21, 2013 at 6 p.m.
alprova said...

rick1 wrote: "PT, It is amazing Al was not in the courtroom during the Alexander trial nor has he read the court transcript of the trial yet he knows she is not guilty."

What have you read and where was it posted?

"The same with the Zimmerman trial he wasn't in the courtroom, nor did he watch the entire trial on TV and he did not read the court transcript of the trial but he knows Zimmerman was guilty."

That trial was on in my office every day of the trial, tuned into CNN, which covered just about every minute of it.

I base my guilt of George Zimmerman based on the evidence that was NOT aired in court. You still have not claimed to have listened to that evidence. I think you're afraid to listen to it. You want to hang onto your hero, 'cause he rid the world of a budding "thug."

"I remember what Al would always say he researches and double checks before he posts because he only posts the truth. Well isn't that a big fat lie since he is only taking what he reads on the internet yet we know how creditable the mainstream media is."

You're so full of crap. I've cited my sources, and very little of it came from the "mainstream media."

"Let's not forget the doctoring of the Zimmerman tape."

Doctored? Amplified and the most important parts repeated for effect, but no way was that tape doctored.

"Al when you become a lawyer then you can challenge the judges decision in court. Until then keep your pie hole shut on something you know nothing about."

Oh...we're gonna get nasty now, are we?

Why don't you have the courage of your own convictions and head downtown and shoot yourself your own dark-skinned "thug?"

I'm sure it will be more pleasing to you than an orgasm.

July 21, 2013 at 6:07 p.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "Yeah Alpo is like most lefty-tards. Forget the facts...it's about feeling."

Thank you for chiming in Dr. Phil.

July 21, 2013 at 6:11 p.m.
Ki said...

Alprova said: We know that juries are instructed to consider the evidence only. I don't have any reason to believe that there are any rampant abuses based on that instruction. These two cases illustrate that there is a very bad problem with the law itself in Florida and with the instructions handed...


This is something I came across that taking place in many courts today across America. Another long read, but worth it:

A perfect example would be Florida State Attorney Angela Corey, who not only oversaw the failed prosecution of Trayvon Martin’s killer, George Zimmerman, but also oversaw the prosecution of Marissa Alexander, an African-American woman who fired a warning shot at her abusive husband and was sentenced to 20 years under Florida’s sentencing guidelines. In both cases, Corey approved the charges to be filed—making it harder to convict a predatory Zimmerman and easier to convict a domestic abuse victim.

There’s no shortage of examples like this through the country. The deeper you look, the more you can turn up local and state examples of overzealous prosecutors bringing a battlefield mentality to their job, or botching prosecutions, or covering up for police brutality, or using their job as a stepping-stone for political office. What follows are a four examples that stand out, but they just scratch the surface.

Top Texas lawman Greg Abbott just announced he was running for governor. What stands out the most is not his recent conversion in the media to a centrist before seeking the higher office, or his long record picking legal fights to overturn federal voting rights laws, but one initiative before the cameras were rolling. A decade ago, Abbott sent state troopers after elderly women of color who were registering voters. In the most outrageous example, the state troopers walked past known crack houses to spy in and then arrest one elderly woman—waiting until she was taking a bath. It was all part of an “voter fraud” effort, which in Texas, means stopping non-whites from voting.

Brooklyn, New York’s top prosecutor, has been in office for 23 years, the Village Voice recently noted in a long profile that detailed why a prosecutor who was once seen as “innovative” had to go. In recent years, Hynes has presided over an office filled with bad prosecutions, including scores of cases from one detective who fabricated evidence, sending innocent people to prison. In other instances, his deputies let innocent people languish in jail after witnesses recanted or others were charged with the same crime.

On the other hand, Hynes, who is elected, is known for ignoring evidence in politically sensitive cases, such as not prosecuting Orthodox Jews—a big voting block—for child abuse. “The D.A. consistently ignored red flags brought to its attention,” veteran criminal defense lawyer Mark Bederow

July 21, 2013 at 6:12 p.m.
Ki said...

read more here:

Alameda County, where Oakland is located, has been an epicenter of overwrought policing for years. Whether it was firing wooden bullets at protesters, breaking up the Occupy camp, or the killing of an unarmed man at a subway stop, local police have been known for their heavy-handed tactics. And police brass—and now the county prosecutor—has cleared one of the worst officers in a misconduct investigation. A half-dozen years ago, the officer mistook a 20-year-old man leaving a convenience store for a robbery suspect, leaving him shot twice in the back, handcuffed and bleeding to death on the street. District Attorney Nancy O’Malley’s April 17 letter to the local police chief said “the evidence does not justify criminal charges.” Unfortunately, her dismissal of deadly force by police is not an isolated incident. Last October, O’Malley reached the same conclusion in another instance where an Oakland cop killed a teen

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/four-most-fiendish-prosecutors-america?akid=10715.226703.TpgCd6&rd=1&src=newsletter871751&t=3

The system appears to have formed some kind of wicked alliance and has become crooked and corrupt from top to bottom and back up again.

July 21, 2013 at 6:13 p.m.
alprova said...

Ted Nugent isn't a country star. I really don't know what kind of star he is, but he sure is a has been, that's for sure.

The man's only worth about $20 million, so he's not all that popular. Hell, Justin Bieber made three times that just this past year.

He must have a little problem in the endowment department, 'cause he sure likes those big guns.

July 21, 2013 at 6:17 p.m.
rick1 said...

Al posted "Doctored? Amplified and the most important parts repeated for effect, but no way was that tape doctored.

For someone who know so much about the Zimmerman case I guess you missed the part where NBC altered the 911 call

http://boston.com/community/blogs/crime_punishment/2012/04/altered_meaning_of_zimmermans.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/post/nbc-to-do-internal-investigation-on-zimmerman-segment/2012/03/31/gIQAc4HhnS_blog.html

Al posted "I base my guilt of George Zimmerman based on the evidence that was NOT aired in court."

If you don't like the rules or the laws you just change them to get the result you want, right.

Al posted "Why don't you have the courage of your own convictions and head downtown and shoot yourself your own dark-skinned "thug?"

So know you are calling for violence on the same people you say you are fighting for. You really are a sad pathetic race baiter. You really should seek professional help for your mental illness.

July 21, 2013 at 6:30 p.m.
alprova said...

Al posted "For someone who know so much about the Zimmerman case I guess you missed the part where NBC altered the 911 call"**

Did I point to any evidence presented by NBC News?

"If you don't like the rules or the laws you just change them to get the result you want, right."

You're still pointing to the court trial and the verdict. You REFUSE to educate yourself to the truth about your half-white, half-Hispanic God.

You're totally pathetic.

"So know you are calling for violence on the same people you say you are fighting for. You really are a sad pathetic race baiter. You really should seek professional help for your mental illness."

Clop, clop...Mr. Clydesdale.

July 21, 2013 at 7:32 p.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said...

We live in the technology age. In a few years, I'll bet that there will be channels filled with gavel to gavel coverage of many court trials.

That is why I would support banning any publicity and publishing of names and evidence until there was a verdict.

July 21, 2013 at 7:39 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

ALPO says " He must have a little problem in the endowment department, 'cause he sure likes those big guns."

Thank you for chiming in Dr. Phil

July 21, 2013 at 8:27 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Had a blast today at #FoundationDay, added another Brick to finish off #FoundationWeek! -Butch Jones

Anybody ready for some Butch Bawl??

July 21, 2013 at 8:31 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Full-time employment is at record lows. Government spending is at record levels. Leftists wear tampon earrings on TV. Obama’s America. -Ken Gardner

July 21, 2013 at 9:10 p.m.
fairmon said...

I have refrained from name calling and disrespect for the POTUS position. I am aware that Alprova and others think he can walk on water and heal the ill. I maintain he is a weak leader and lacks the requisite experience to manage a job that is so broad in scope and demanding. He made promises during the campaign that revealed he was either very naïve and unprepared or totally dishonest and intentionally misled people. He promised to cut the deficit in half but later, although he was a senator, said it was worse than I thought so he has doubled the deficit and debt. He said I will close Git-MO within one year, it is still open. He said I will end the war in Irag and Afghanistan, he decided instead on the surge in Afghanistan and we are still getting soldiers killed in both of those countries. He promised to reduce taxes on the middle and lower income earners but the net effect including the ACHA is an increase in taxes on that sector. He selects and assigns people based on their political ideology without looking for business and management experience which shows up in their departments. He promised to reduce unemployment and have people getting good paying jobs. He has done more to prohibit or interfere with job growth than to promote it. I sincerely wish him the best and I truly hope he can finish his term....my god, can you imagine Biden being boss? The truth is the republicans assured his first term when they offered McCain and Palin, not a good option for a libertarian.

July 22, 2013 at 12:05 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Excellent post, mon.

July 22, 2013 at 12:17 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

Rick, she mounted a SYG defense. The JUDGE rejected it. This case had EVERYTHING to do with Florida's SYG law.

(No it doesn’t. The SYG law applies to a pre-trial hearing and if the judge rules in the affirmative then the defendant is protected against criminal and civil action. GZ’s lawyers did not pursue one as they knew his case was going to court no matter what and once rejected there is little chance of a second chance. Now that GZ has been cleared it will be a given that he will get a positive ruling on his SYG hearing.)

(Alexander did go the SYG route and was rightfully rejected and then she went through the same trial process as GZ. There was no preferential treatment but GZ was fortunate enough to have two mad dog lawyers and the facts on his side and she didn’t.)

Into the ceiling in an adjacent room....not a wall. At no time were the kids in danger.

(O.K. I will play the emotional card just like you liberal do. Would you want your children standing in front of an over-emotional and agitated nut-case with a gun pointed in their direction and fire it with seemingly little control of where the bullet will go?)

You're going to laughingly defend Goerge Zimmerman's discharging of his gun as being done so in a responsible manner, but what she did was WRONG?

(Considering that the court found he truly felt he was in danger of great bodily harm or death he discharged in as responsibility and legal manner as he was capable of under the circumstances.)

"Corey offered Alexander a three-year sentence in a plea bargain, but Alexander felt she had done nothing wrong and so rejected the plea."

Wouldn't you have done the same thing? I sure would have.

In her case I would have played the odds and took the 3 years and with early release I would be out and about before she gets really settled in her prison cell.

July 22, 2013 at 6:10 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said ...

SYG is a law specifically crafted to keep people like Marissa Alexander from being prosecuted unfairly.

Not according to the facts and evidence of her case and she and her lawyers were just wasting everybody's time even requesting a hearing under SYG.

Judge Elizabeth Senterfitt denied The Stand Your Ground Motion. Judge Senterfitt, a former prosecutor, (Should prosecutors be prevented from holding judgeships due to their bias in how they have previously addressed the law and if so what about defense lawyers which an opposing bias) ...

... also cited in the reason she ruled against the motion to dismiss due to SYG, that Alexander could have exited the house through a window, front door and/or, sliding glass back door.

(Once she left the house to retrieve her gun from her car she was no longer Standing Her Ground and had remove herself from danger. She should have left while she had a chance because when she reentered the house while making threatening actions with the gun she was guilty as charged.)

The law specifically states: No duty to retreat.

(When she was in the house and allegedly under attack she did not have to retreat and if she had the gun with her she could have shot her husband dead and probably gotten acquitted. Let that be a lesson that if you’re going to carry have it handy and fully loaded with the type of gun that has built in safeties and not an external manual safety)

The hell it doesn't. SYG was enacted in 2005 in Florida. She absolutely initially rejected the option of a jury trial and went before a judge.

(How did she have an option to initially reject a jury trial except by accepting the 3 year plea deal. Without the plea deal she had the option of the SYG appeal and when that was rejected go to trial as the judge would order without her having any option except to present her defense or plead guilty.)

July 22, 2013 at 6:12 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said ...

In May of this year, the U.S. Civil Rights Commission voted to undertake an in-depth investigation into racial bias in Stand Your Ground laws, the first such investigation by the agency in decades.

(They're going to have a tough time proving racial disparate impact, which really is just a quota system based on race, in Florida if the data in this newspaper study is true.)

http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/criminal/race-plays-complex-role-in-floridas-stand-your-ground-law/1233152

“If Zimmerman had been black, would authorities in Sanford have been so quick to accept his claim of self-defense? Are black defendants less likely to walk free than people of other races in "stand your ground" cases?

The Times analysis found no obvious bias in how black defendants have been treated:

• Whites who invoked the law were charged at the same rate as blacks.

• Whites who went to trial were convicted at the same rate as blacks.

• In mixed-race cases involving fatalities, the outcomes were similar. Four of the five blacks who killed a white went free; five of the six whites who killed a black went free.

• Overall, black defendants went free 66 percent of the time in fatal cases compared to 61 percent for white defendants — a difference explained, in part, by the fact blacks were more likely to kill another black.

"Let's be clear,'' said Alfreda Coward, a black Fort Lauderdale lawyer whose clients are mostly black men. "This law was not designed for the protection of young black males, but it's benefiting them in certain cases.''

The Times analysis does not prove that race caused the disparity between cases with black and white victims.”

OMG...in the total absence of your using any logic to base your opinion on, I have no other choice but to size you up as a complete and utter negrophobe.

As one who has vehemently defended GZ, and to not see this case as a total travesty of justice, you clearly hate blacks and you must believe that they all deserve to be behind bars.

(Al the verdict in the GZ case has push you near or in fact over the very edge of derangement in that you are so absolutely wedded to the proposition that he is guilty. If you can’t get that then punish or harm him some other way and play the race card till it burst into flames from the frantic activity. You really need to separate yourself from this issue until you can regain some semblance of normalcy. This Alexander case is a loser as she is definitely guilt although excessively sentenced to prison for her crime. Maybe if you can’t drop this then at least pick a case that you can have some hope of defending)

July 22, 2013 at 6:17 a.m.
jesse said...

JT is right, I don't think SYG means you can go get your gun,come back and THEN stand your ground!!

July 22, 2013 at 6:51 a.m.
facyspacy said...

"Excuses, excuses, and more excuses. If you are so supportive of the GZ verdict, as you claim, spend a little time to inform yourself to the injustice that was dealt Marissa Alexander for defending her life against a real thug." -alprova

That was the point, the Zimmerman trial facts are everywhere. The media talks about it every 30 seconds. I wonder why this lady's story isn't front and center? What about the two black kids, one shot the baby in savanah, Ga.? I don't know much about that either. If the lefty clowns hadn't screwed up zimmerman's description in the beginning..... Calling him white, then conveniently changing it to white Hispanic I don't think we would had heard much about it.

Instead of calling me white, call me an Appalachian American

July 22, 2013 at 7:49 a.m.
facyspacy said...

Tiffany said.... Oh, I mean tifosi said, "Seems like some in the GOP still have their senses. Senator John McCain is calling for a review of the "Stand Your Ground" laws."

Since we seem to be discussing Zimmerman trial, I assume you think stand your ground was the defenses case. It wasn't even used in the trial. It was self defense. I didn't expect you to know facts anyway so it's cool!

July 22, 2013 at 7:53 a.m.
facyspacy said...

Tifosi said, "facyspacy- I aspired to be a pot-smoking hippie when I was 16. Then I joined the U.S. Army, went to college, started a successful career, raised a family and put three daughters through college. Sure glad no one labeled me for a loser at 16 and thought it reasonable that I should die."

I don't remember labeling anyone as a loser. The point was to expose the "loser" side of the president for weighing in on a court case before the jury deliberations. Can anybody In this forum disagree with me on saying president Obama should have not had an opinion on the trial? If trayvon would have died In Afghanistan Obama wouldn't even know his name.

July 22, 2013 at 8 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

Not really, and you're free to quote those who did, but I seem to recall those of us who took up the call for gun control most certainly were called much worse names.

I do recall that when each of these violent episodes would occur the first action item for Liberals was to not let a crisis go to waste and use any tactic no matter how unethical to tie the perpetrators to the Tea Party, Conservatives and/or Republicans. Second was to exploit the raw emotions of survivors and the nation in general along with the grisly details of the carnage to cynically push a political point of view.

July 22, 2013 at 8:06 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Ki said...

Like tifosi stated, you guys were more concerned about losing your 2nd amendment rights that scattered dead bodies, even if those dead bodies were children.

You mean just like you liberals standing on the the same dead bodies of those children while screaming at the top of your lungs to vilify and demean political opponents that had nothing to do with these grisly events? That’s just fine isn’t it as you’re pure of heart and any actions you take are justified?

July 22, 2013 at 8:09 a.m.
facyspacy said...

When I as in high school and college I was a server/ bartender to make ends meet. When I chose my tables, I stayed away from rednecks and blacks. When I'm on the interstate, I avoid Asians and black women. If I as at the golf course and had the choice of caddying for tiger woods or alprova, I'd choose tiger. If I go into a gas station I would guess is was owned by an Indian. Am I a racist profiler? I just know from experience which type of people drive better, tip better, own gas stations, etc. now, all types of people out there. You are between ML king and UtC at night. Dark outside. You are walking to your car. A person is walking by in a hoodie and a back pack. If you don't 100% agree that you aren't watching what the kid does or are fearful for your safety, then you are a liar. And that's whether you are Asian, Indian, black, Hispanic, or white. It's not that you'd be a racist profiler, but the facts. Are that crimes are happening In That area and here comes someone that looks like the other people that are committing the crimes on TFP right to know.

July 22, 2013 at 8:12 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

Now put on your thinking cap for just a moment. Who did she assault? Think REAL hard. You agree with that finding based on what has been written about what took place in her home on that day?

Her husband in his own home standing near his children?

You're convinced that George Zimmerman did not one thing wrong and that the defense he launched was not a lie from the minute he stood up over Trayvon Martin's corpse.

He came into the courtroom an innocent man and he left the courtroom an innocent man. I heard no lies that passed from his lips or his defence team that would or could altered the fact of his innocence.

July 22, 2013 at 8:12 a.m.
Ki said...

Jt6gR3hM said...Her husband in his own home standing near his children?

It was her home and not his. Even if he might have lived there at one time, he'd been ordered to stay away. He forced his way into her home. She had a restraining order. Kinda, sorta like the recent incident where the woman's estranged husband forced his way back into the home they'd once shared and she shot and killed him. So far, it's being ruled self-defense, and no charges filed. By the way, their children were in the home at the time too. The fact that she fired a shot or shots while children were in the home, rather than have the crap beaten out of her or killed, along with her children, do you feel she should be charged? Alexander was convicted of three counts of aggravated battery with a deadly weapon, and sentenced to 20 years.

According to her mother: * "And he was in her face, threatening to kill her. And the words he used? He said 'B----, I'll kill you,'" *says Helen Jenkins, Alexander's mother.

July 22, 2013 at 9:01 a.m.
Ki said...

jesse said... JT is right, I don't think SYG means you can go get your gun,come back and THEN stand your ground!!

Yes it does, apparently. Depending upon who the shooter verses who their victim is. If the SYG law doesn't mean you can go get your gun and come back and shoot someone, it should equally mean you can't case, stalk, chase, confront and engage someone then pull out your weapon and shoot them just because you're losing the fight. Even state rep. Baxley who helped to craft the law and Gov. Jeb Bush who signed the bill into law have gone on record and stated as much. Both Baxley and Bush stated, on record, there is nothing in the law that gives a citizens the right to follow, confront and engage someone and just because they're losing the fight they feel they can pull out their weapon and shoot. According to how the law is being interpreted, or misinterpreted (depending on the individuals using it) a potential shooter only has to imagine there's a threat. Now, with all these paranoid people running around, some in a prescription drug haze, illegal drug haze or drunken stupor + drug haze, that presents just far too much opportunity for them to just walk up to anyone on the street, and based on their perception of that individual, they can feel they felt threaten and shoot them. That's just far too much being afforded the average citizen. A power even police with years of training doesn't even have. And even they, police with all those years of training, are getting wrong more often than right these days.

July 22, 2013 at 9:12 a.m.
Ki said...

alprova said... Ted Nugent isn't a country star

Thanks, alprova. I was wandering why I'd never heard of this kat until he became the spokes person for NRA and some right wingnut fruitcakes. And I know quite a few country singers who are STARS.

re: * He must have a little problem in the endowment department, 'cause he sure likes those big guns*

Now, that really explains it. LOL

July 22, 2013 at 9:18 a.m.
caddy said...

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July 22, 2013 at 9:33 a.m.
Ki said...

fairmon: He promised to cut the deficit in half but later, although he was a senator, said it was worse than I thought so he has doubled the deficit and debt. He said I will close Git-MO within one year, it is still open. He said I will end the war in Irag and Afghanistan, he decided instead on the surge in Afghanistan and we are still getting soldiers killed in both of those countries. He promised to reduce taxes on the middle and lower income earners but the net effect including the ACHA is an increase in taxes on that sector.

Are you so naïve that you actually believe one person can do all that, especially when they're surrounded by a bunch of snakes who have gone on record stating they would destroy him? Even if it takes destroying America, Americans and taking more soldiers lives in the process?

He selects and assigns people based on their political ideology without looking for business and management experience which shows up in their departments.

There's no proof of that. However all politicians, once in office and regardless of party affiliation, sometimes select ones some people might consider incompetent or unfit for the job. That doesn't make it so, actually.

He promised to reduce unemployment and have people getting good paying jobs. He has done more to prohibit or interfere with job growth than to promote it.

And he has. Even with Republicans attempts to fail him and block everything he has tried to do to get the economy back on track.

Remember what from the right and their supporters have said, some locally? We're going to overthrow Obama's government (not the government or the federal government, but OBAMA'S government). Just take your seat and watch us!" That's what some right winger actually posted on a local forum when President Obama was first elected to office. I still have the exact quote saved somewhere.

July 22, 2013 at 9:37 a.m.
Ki said...

facyspacy said...

When I as in high school and college I was a server/ bartender to make ends meet. When I chose my tables, I stayed away from rednecks and blacks. When I'm on the interstate, I avoid Asians and black women. If I as at the golf course and had the choice of caddying for tiger woods or alprova, I'd choose tiger. If I go into a gas station I would guess is was owned by an Indian. Am I a racist profiler? I just know from experience which type of people drive better, tip better, own gas stations, etc. now, all types of people out there. You are between ML king and UtC at night. Dark outside. You are walking to your car. A person is walking by in a hoodie and a back pack. If you don't 100% agree that you aren't watching what the kid does or are fearful for your safety, then you are a liar. And that's whether you are Asian, Indian, black, Hispanic, or white. It's not that you'd be a racist profiler, but the facts. Are that crimes are happening In That area and here comes someone that looks like the other people that are committing the crimes on TFP right to know.


You trip yourself up here. You're talking about people you avoid. Zimmerman didn't attempt to avoid an individual, he followed and confronted him. If he was so fearful he'd have simply made his call to the police, stayed in his vehicle, locked his doors and waited until police arrived. See how simple that is?

July 22, 2013 at 9:42 a.m.
degage said...

One thing Obama said that was right is "if Trayvon had been white it may have been a different outcome." We would not have heard anything about it because the race baiters, Sharpton, Jackson, Holder and the like would have been silent. Nothing here folks white on white or black on black, can't get any traction on either of those.

July 22, 2013 at 9:43 a.m.
Ki said...

facypacy said: That was the point, the Zimmerman trial facts are everywhere. The media talks about it every 30 seconds. I wonder why this lady's story isn't front and center? What about the two black kids, one shot the baby in savanah, Ga.? I don't know much about that either. If the lefty clowns hadn't screwed up zimmerman's description in the beginning..... Calling him white, then conveniently changing it to white Hispanic I don't think we would had heard much about it


Maybe because in all those incidents charges were immediately filed, the perps were immediately arrested and they will go to trial. Some already have and been convicted (as in the Marissa Alexander case, and by the way the trial has very much been in the news (you need to stop listening to only rightwingnut talking points, you just missed it). In the case of the two boys accused of shooting that baby, they're even looking at the death penalty for the one who allegedly carried out the shooting. But you're running with that story the same way people first ran with the Susan Smith and Charles Stuart story. Which later turned out not to be at all true. We'll just have to wait and see on that one. Something still doesn't fit right with that story.

July 22, 2013 at 9:49 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

LadyGage: There is no incentive for the left to let the racial tension subside.

July 22, 2013 at 9:49 a.m.
Ki said...

degage said... One thing Obama said that was right is "if Trayvon had been white it may have been a different outcome." We would not have heard anything about it


Wrong! We wouldn't have heard anything about it because Zimmerman would have been immediately arrested, tried and convicted. And that's only if he'd made it to the Sanford jail in one piece first, and not fed to the alligator or ended up swimming with the fishes.

Remember Sanford police sat on the case for over 40 days, attempting to give things enough time to just disappear. They didn't count in the resilience of a grieving mother. Even after the 40 days Sanford police chief went to the media and stated there would be no charges filed and the case was being closed (that's what spearheaded and springboarded the case into national and then international attention. I'd been following the story for sometime, long before it hit national and then international news-Plus, Martins body was held for over either 3 or near 3 days before his parents were contacted, because they claimed there was no identification on him to suggest who he was (I personally believe they near immediately knew who he was, but held contacting anyone for whatever reason). Although his cellphone was with him and they could have looked through it to find a relatives.). Zimmerman would have felt empowered to go out and begin casing and stalking his next victim, along with the rest of that unofficial neighborhood watch group who some present tenants, others who'd given up and moved away, described Zimmerman and his klan as nothing more than a bunch of out of control, partying, drunken hooligan vigilantes who went around terrorizing targeted residents inside that gated community.

July 22, 2013 at 9:58 a.m.
Ki said...

PlainTruth said... LadyGage: There is no incentive for the left to let the racial tension subside.

Because the right keep saying and doing stupid yet expect everyone else not to notice, or seem to believe all others should just ignore it.

July 22, 2013 at 10:06 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Balderdash, KI.

July 22, 2013 at 10:16 a.m.
joneses said...

Short Quiz COMMUNISM IS CREEPING IN ONE STEP AT A TIME, EXACTLY AS PLANNED.

Six trivia questions to see how much history you know. Be honest, it's kinda fun and revealing. If you don't know the answer make your best guess. Answer all the questions (no cheating) before looking at the answers. Who said it? 1) "We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." A. Karl Marx B. Adolph Hitler C. Joseph Stalin D. None of the above

2) "It's time for a new beginning, for an end to government of the few, by the few, and for the few...... And to replace it with shared responsibility,,,,,for shared prosperity."

A. Lenin B. Mussolini C. Idi Amin D. None of the Above

3) "(We) .....can't just let business as usual go on, and that means something has to be taken away from some people."

A. Nikita Khrushev B. Josef Goebbels C. Boris Yeltsin D. None of the above

4) "We have to build a political consensus and that requires people to give up a little bit of their own ... In order to create this common ground."

A. Mao Tse Dung B. Hugo Chavez C. Kim Jong Il D. None of the above

5) "I certainly think the free-market has failed."

A. Karl Marx B. Lenin C. Molotov D. None of the above

6) "I think it's time to send a clear message to what has become the most profitable sector in (the) entire economy that they are being watched."

A. Pinochet B. Milosevic C. Saddam Hussein D. None of the above

Scroll down for answers

Answers (1) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 6/29/2004 (2) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 5/29/2007 (3) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 6/4/2007 (4) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 6/4/2007 (5) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 6/4/2007 (6) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 9/2/2005

Wanna know something scary? She may be the next socialist president.

July 22, 2013 at 11:04 a.m.
chet123 said...

IT REALLY AMAZES ME THE WAY THE GOP/TEA-PARTY/REPUBLICANS CAN LIE AND NOT EVEN FLINCH.....WHY TELL BUG-EYES LIES?????

ON EXAMPLE, DEGAGE SPILLED FROM HER LYING LIPS THAT IF IT WAS IN REVERSE NOTHING WOULD HAD BEEN DONE.

I SAY TO DEGAGE....QUOTE ME ONE CASE...ONE EXAMPLE!!!!! PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEE ONE EXAMPLE!!!!!

MY ANSWER TO THIS LYING WOMAN IS TRAYVON WOULD HAVE BEEN ARRESTED THE FIRST NITE ...THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN BLOOD SAMPLE OF HIM TAKEN..HE WOULD NOT HAD SEEN THE CRACK OF DAY...THE SAME WAY MAJORITY OF BLACK MEN ARE TREATED IN AMERICA(THIS ACCOUNT FOR THE HIGH PRISON POPULATIO OF BLACK MALE).....AND HE WOULD HAVE BEEN FOUND GUILTY AND SENTENCE 30YRS OR MORE....

DEGAGE AND OTHER JUST MAKE-UP LIES.......AND PLEASE DONT SAY OJ!!!! OJ WAS GIVEN ALMOST AN ALL BLACK JURY!!!!

JUST BE HONEST....STOP LYING....THE WHOLE WORLD WATCH YOU....AND IT REFLECT ON THE KIND OF POLITICAL PARTY PERSON YOU ARE.....THIS ISSUE IS NOT GOING AWAY

July 22, 2013 at 11:19 a.m.
chet123 said...

JONESE...YOU DONT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT COMMUNIST

RING-WING FASCISM IS IN FULL BLOOM THANKS TO YOU AND THE SOUTHERN CHRISTIAN,700 CLUBS, FOX NETWORK, THE THE RICH AND GREEDY....

THE SAME PEOPLE THAT HAVE ENSLAVE AND KILLED MILLIONS OF PEOPLE

QUIZ THAT!!! HA HA HA HA HA HA!

July 22, 2013 at 11:25 a.m.
chet123 said...

I'M STILL WAITNG ON DEGAGE ANSWER...HA HA HA HA!!!!!

July 22, 2013 at 11:29 a.m.
chet123 said...

THE GOP/TEA-PARTY/REPUBLICANS TAKE THE EXIT AND RUN LIKE A SCARED RABBIT TO KEEP FROM DIALOGING......

IS IT BECAUSE I WILL CALL THEM OUT ON THEIR LIES????Hmmmmm?Hmmmm? HA HA HA HA HA!!!

THEY ARE LIKE A PACK OF NITE JACKALS....RUN IN PACKS!!!!!MARK OF A SCAVENGER...HA HA HA

July 22, 2013 at 11:33 a.m.
chet123 said...

I LOVE THE TIMESFREEPRESS FOR RESPECTING THE FIRST AMENMENTS ...THERE ARE SOME WHO HAVE TRIED CENSURED MY COMMENT EVENTHOUGH THEY CLAIM TO HONOR THE FIRST AMMENMENT...

July 22, 2013 at 11:40 a.m.
chet123 said...

NOTIVE THE LOG TIME.....THE GOP/TEA-PARTY/REPUBLICAN WILL RUN EVERYTIME I ENTER....

THIS IS BECAUSE I CALL THEM OUT ON THEIR LIES....AND THEY CANT ANSWE BACK WITH THE TRUTH...

PEOPLE DO YOUR RESEARCH....GET YOUR INFO. FROM NON-POLITICAL SOURCES....AND RUMORS AND LIES

July 22, 2013 at 11:44 a.m.
chet123 said...

USALLY WHEN ITS TAKE THEM THIS LONG TO RESPONSE THE GOP/TEA-PARTY/REPUPLICANS PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR TALKING POINT......THEY ALL GOOSE-STEP TOGETHER

July 22, 2013 at 11:47 a.m.
chet123 said...

TAKE NOTE...THE GOP/TEA-PARTY/REPUBLICANS LOG-TIME. THEY LOG ON AROUND 8:00AM IN LARGE NUMBERS....THEIR POSTING CONTINUE NON-STOP UNTIL I ENTER...THEN THEY CEASE!..HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HATHEY ARE LIKE A PACK OF NITE JACKALS HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

THIS IS HOW THEY OPERATE IN THE POLITICAL WORLD,,,THEY INFLICT HARM THEN HIDE......THEY HIDE THE THEIR CHURCHES...THEIR HATE GROUPS.....BEHID THE RICH AND GREEDY HA HA HA HA

July 22, 2013 at 11:55 a.m.
chet123 said...

I'VE BEEN ON TIMESFREEPRESS FOR 4YEARS....AND THIS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN THE PATTERN OF THE RIGHT-WING NUTS HA HA HA HA HA!!!

CHILDISH ISNT IT!!!! HA HA HA!

July 22, 2013 at 11:57 a.m.
chet123 said...

THEY WILL RETURN AFTER THEY THINK I'M GONE... HA HA HA HA!

July 22, 2013 at 11:59 a.m.
whatsnottaken said...

This is really about TFP readers wanting something different from Crayola. Looks like he's gonna ride the no justice no peace train for weeks. Anything else happening in your world Tooney? In the world most of the rest of us live in, we didn't care, don't care, and won't care.

July 22, 2013 at 11:59 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Hey CHET123: HOW DID YOU GET OUTTA THAT STRAIGHT-JACKET??? HAHAHAHAHAHA

July 22, 2013 at 12:19 p.m.
LaughingBoy said...

Ki, Chet, whoever, how many more decades or centuries should whites be feeling guilty?

July 22, 2013 at 12:42 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Ki said...

I found freedom by leaving the land of the free

Ki said...

We've Become The Thing We Hate Why I left America

And Ki posts these stories with such glee but just one question did these losers renounce their citizenship in a country that they’ve come to hate? I bet they didn’t and that tells you a great amount of what their real motives are.

July 22, 2013 at 12:47 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

You know my health issues. I am winding down to one business, which does not require much physical or mental attention from me to operate it.

The fact is that I am up to 17 different medications that I must take to keep me alive. Due to my last set of labs two days ago, I just crossed the finish line to qualify for automatic and 100% disability, thank you very much.

I've got much more to worry about than whether or not someone believes me to be a fraud or a scam artist.

I'm trying to survive.

Bad health is always a negative but quit whining because as long as you are not at room temperature there is always someone who has it worse than you. Everybody has their burdens to bear and pleading them in public is a sign of weak character. Deal with yours, we will deal with ours, and we’ll all make the best we can out of any misfortune visited on each of us.

July 22, 2013 at 12:49 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

tifosi said...

facyspacy- I aspired to be a pot-smoking hippie when I was 16. Then I joined the U.S. Army, went to college, started a successful career, raised a family and put three daughters through college. Sure glad no one labeled me for a loser at 16 and thought it reasonable that I should die.

Considering your self described bad a^^ attitude it is a wonder and it would appear you to still be in some danger of being labeled and appropriately dealt with in the present or future.

July 22, 2013 at 12:51 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

KI: So are you posting from Somolia?

July 22, 2013 at 12:58 p.m.

I just read that George Zimmerman just rescued someone from a rolled over car or truck on a highway in Florida. He pulled them from it. I guess he should've just not got involved, huh? I wonder if racially profiled? If the guy wasn't white, or "white hispanic", GZ wouldn't have taken action there? Maybe there's something there for your leftist bet wetters to go after?

July 22, 2013 at 1:30 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

If black, you know GZ would have let them sizzle.

July 22, 2013 at 1:31 p.m.

GZ profiles when he's on the highway. He only looks for whites or "white hispanics to rescue".

If the person he rescued was black, then he's be in trouble for yanking him to hard out of the rolled over vehicle. There would be blacks rioting because he was genteel enough in his rescue efforts, which show's that he's a racist or a bigot.

July 22, 2013 at 1:36 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Our resident left wingers will be quick to identify this assistance as only more evidence to GZ's terminal obsession with being a cop wanna be. They allow for no good deed performed by their political opponents to go unpunished.

July 22, 2013 at 2 p.m.
Ki said...

alprova said...

You know my health issues. I am winding down to one business, which does not require much physical or mental attention from me to operate it.

The fact is that I am up to 17 different medications that I must take to keep me alive. Due to my last set of labs two days ago, I just crossed the finish line to qualify for automatic and 100% disability, thank you very much.

I've got much more to worry about than whether or not someone believes me to be a fraud or a scam artist.

I'm trying to survive.


Alprova, you owe these people no explanation. You've worked, worked hard, paid your taxes, help pay for their education, even college if they attended, and a host of other benefits they received they don't even realize came from your tax dollars. They only want empathy for themselves when the tragedy hits them personally. They're on a roll, making insulting, derogatory and hateful remarks. They don't realize one day they will roll right into a brick wall and everything will come tumbling down around them. They're riding high right now, but it's those types that when they tumble and fall, it's hard because they've haven't the ability to cope with hardships. They suffer the most. They're the ones who turn to suicide and murder-suicide, because they haven't learned to cope, because they think nothing can gone wrong in their perfect world.

July 22, 2013 at 2:01 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Ki said...

No, it is not a done deal. If everyone just move on it will continue to happen again and again.

I agree with you and you should spend as much time as is humanly possible in arguing your point of view and completely once and for all destroy any tiny bit of credibility that you may have left.

The only reason once set wants to move on is because the world is watching and critiquing, and those type Americans don't like being the ones being critically scrutinized.

I hardly see how the world watching and critiquing will have any serious impact on how we will deal with these types of issues. Americans watch and curse the activities in other countries and I have seen little change in their behavior due to that effort. That is unless we provide them with a means to kill each other or we enter their country and break things and kill people. I guess Africa, as the designated predominantly black populated continent, could invade and occupy Disney World until we quit exterminating black children

There are individual, locally too, who were banking on Zimmerman being found not guilty so they could feel justified in carrying out their own missions.

So we can expect massive roving gangs of white people picking off black children on the fly due to this court finding?

They are easily identifiable in just the way they immediately went on the attack when they realize not only a nation, but a world was shocked over the outcome of the trial.

That way the DOJ will know who to pick up and imprison because they can just monitor social media and news comment areas for those that agree with the GZ verdict to find these white assassins.

July 22, 2013 at 2:03 p.m.
SBrauer said...

And where was all this outrage when a white BABY in a stroller was shot in the head by two BLACK teenagers, in front of the baby's Mom, because Mom wouldn't give them any money. She didn't have anything to give them. Maybe you missed that story. It happened last year. Do you know the name of ONE child killed in Chicago during the Zimmerman trial? There have been over 200 murders during this time. Quit being 'racebaiters' Actually we'll all be better off when Sharpton and Jackson are gone. They're hatemongers.

July 22, 2013 at 2:04 p.m.
Ki said...

LaughingBoy said... Ki, Chet, whoever, how many more decades or centuries should whites be feeling guilty?

As long as it takes to change your bigoted/racist hearts, or at least until you grow one, LB.

July 22, 2013 at 2:05 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Ki said...

Then you're saying in essence women deserve to be raped, because some wear shorts and halter tops, make-up, flip flops, sandals. That pedophiles who prey on children because the children provoke them. Nice sense of values and a moral compass you have there.

You mean like the Liberals that claim TM was justified in sucker punching and battering GZ simply for the fact that he was observing TM in a manner and in a place that he had every legal right to do and be.

Keep talking. The world is watching. You're showing a true side of America's character much of the world suspect existed but never before had proof. Until now. :*(

There seems to be no one as pitiful and lost as someone who will readily abandon their core values for the valueless approval from people that do not understand and/or appreciate their need or usefulness and do not wish the holders of those values well.

Who's targeting law-abiding, tax paying, regular folks who happen to be black? Nobody is.

Yes, law-abiding, tax-paying, regular black folks are being, have been, targeted and racially profiled. Both by their neighbors and police (even locally). Especially in racially mixed communities. That's what police have instructed at those neighborhood meetings.

You keep presenting those incendiary claims but absent any details that would allow anyone to determine if there is even a speck of truth to them.

That's where Zimmerman likely got much of his inspiration and encouragement. From police in attendance at those meetings. Who advised them on what constitutes a suspicious character. For far too man, black skin is still regarded as a suspicion even in modern day 21ST century, supposedly, race blind America.

The police officer that established and advised GZ’s watch group was a black female but I guess you could and probably will make the claim that she was filled with self hate for her race.

July 22, 2013 at 2:08 p.m.
Ki said...

SBrauer said... And where was all this outrage when a white BABY in a stroller was shot in the head by two BLACK teenagers, in front of the baby's Mom, because Mom wouldn't give them any money.

The outrage would have come if police had refused to make an arrest, and then if the courts refuse to convict them when the time comes.

Do you know the name of ONE child killed in Chicago during the Zimmerman trial? There have been over 200 murders during this time

Were any of those killings committed by someone considered a law-abiding citizen who legally owned their gun? Did the chief of police refuse to make an arrest if and when the perps were caught, then later attempted to close the cases without a thorough investigation? Did a jury refuse to convict? Did a judge tell the jury, the shooter had no duty to retreat? Therein lies the problem. Not as much what Zimmerman didn't do, but a system that failed at every step of the way to do what should have done.

July 22, 2013 at 2:12 p.m.
Ki said...

Jt6gR3hM said... You mean like the Liberals that claim TM was justified in sucker punching and battering GZ simply for the fact that he was observing TM in a manner and in a place that he had every legal right to do and be

Yeah, just like Meredith Emmerson had every right to use her martial arts skills to scatter the brains of drifter, Gary Hilton, all over that hiking trail if she'd succeeded in doing so. Hilton who cased, stalked, abducted her. Then held her for 4 days torturing her until he killed her. In court he said she fought him for the entire time she was alive. But according to you, your minions and the Florida laws, once she put up a fight Hilton, and not her, would become the victim and he'd have had every right to SHG and use deadly force because she fought him.

GZ simply for the fact that he was observing TM

You're really a pitiful person, jitty. You know the above is a lie. GZ did more than just observe. He cased, he stalked, he confronted, he engage and just because he realize he was losing the fight, he pulled out a gun and shot.

July 22, 2013 at 2:19 p.m.
Ki said...

Jt6gR3hM said...

Ki said...

I found freedom by leaving the land of the free

Ki said...

We've Become The Thing We Hate Why I left America

And Ki posts these stories with such glee but just one question did these losers renounce their citizenship in a country that they’ve come to hate? I bet they didn’t and that tells you a great amount of what their real motives are.


Apparently, on your mission to attack--you didn't bother to read. btw-neither of them appear to be losers.

July 22, 2013 at 2:26 p.m.
Ki said...

PlainTruth said... KI: So are you posting from Somolia?


Nope! But the real civilized world is aware of what really happened there too. Trust me.

July 22, 2013 at 2:28 p.m.

Now it turns out, I read, that GZ helped save a family of four from a "burning vehicle".

July 22, 2013 at 2:47 p.m.

GZ and another man helped save the family of four.

He's batman!

July 22, 2013 at 2:54 p.m.

I

July 22, 2013 at 2:56 p.m.

I bet Al Sharpmouth wouldn't have done a damn thing because he's be afraid of his expensively coiffed hair would get singed.

July 22, 2013 at 3:01 p.m.
degage said...

Chet , you must not understand what Obama said or what I wrote. If trayvon had been white it would have been white on white and the race baiters wouldn't have any reason to say anything. Try a little harder to comprehend what you are reading.

July 22, 2013 at 3:20 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Apparently, CHET123 uses his one hour per day exercise time to do his posting. He gone till tomorrow.

July 22, 2013 at 3:30 p.m.
Ki said...

zableedofisterix said... Now it turns out, I read, that GZ helped save a family of four from a "burning vehicle".


Did you ever see the movie CRASH? Where in one scene mild mannered cop turns sexual predator during a routine traffic stop. Using his fingers to sexual assault a woman during a pat down because she sassed him. Then in another scene, he encounters that same woman in a car crash where her car catches fire after it flips, and he risk life and limb to rescue her before the car explodes? He goes from mild mannered cop to sexual predator to super-duper hero. ;}

July 22, 2013 at 3:44 p.m.

Ki, you're an idiot. That's what you lefties do, you inject something into the discussion that has nothing to do with the man, or his actions. You simply stuck it in because what GZ did was heroic and makes him look good. Stupid attempt to smear.

Ki, also, the crackdown on law-abiding, and legally gun owning citizens does absolutely nothing to deter criminals.

July 22, 2013 at 4:02 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Ki: Do they allow firearms in your country?

July 22, 2013 at 4:04 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

Please take 20 minutes to listen to George Zimmmerman's own words and recollections of that night. After you listen to that, tell me you still believe that the man was totally innocent and that he was truthful in his defense.

I have indicated several times that I have availed myself before, during, and after the trial to several version of these videos you are pushing as absolute proof of GZ’s guilt. There is nothing, of a verifiable and/or admissible nature, in them that was not addressed in the trial

Pay close attention to the sound of a cocking gun during while he was on the phone with the Sanford Police Department.

So your ears are so attuned to the sounds firearms make that you can discern their source beyond what forensic experts can accomplish with their scientific equipment?

Listen to the number of times that he changed his story, even at the suggestion of the investigating officers.

The lead investigator stated in court that he believed GZ story and the prosecution could not shake his hold on that claim.

July 22, 2013 at 4:52 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

If I were to write that you need to change your Depends and take a swig from your bottle of Ensure, will you accuse me of being Easy123?

He was in most all aspects a junior version of you but was never able to equal you verbosity or your presentation of affected rationality.

July 22, 2013 at 4:54 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

Had they even come close to being injured, you might have a point. The fact was that they weren't, the husband changed his testimony to make it appear to be more dangerous than it ever was, and he convinced one of his sons to testify against her.

The police reports and court documents don’t verify that and in fact show that she placed the children in great danger due to her criminal activities.

to admit that her race prevented her from benefiting from the same law that allowed the murderer of another black to go free.

The details of the case show very clearly that she had no claim to SYG and that GZ did so. You can continue to argue your point of view and maintain that bright red face but you have no legal ground to stand on. I guess you could say that you can not SYG.

July 22, 2013 at 4:57 p.m.

GZ, who has received who knows how many death threats since being found not guilty by a jury, forgot about all of that and helped to rescue 4 people from a burning car.

July 22, 2013 at 5:19 p.m.
rick1 said...

BUCHANAN TO OBAMA By Patrick J. Buchanan

Barack says we need to have a conversation about race in America .. Fair enough. But this time, it has to be a two-way conversation.. White America needs to be heard from, not just lectured to. This time, the Silent Majority needs to have its convictions, grievances and demands heard. And among them are these:

First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known. Jeremiah Wright ought to go down on his knees and thank God he is an American.

Second, no people anywhere has done more to lift up blacks than white Americans. Untold trillions have been spent since the '60s on welfare, food stamps, rent supplements, Section 8 housing, Pell grants, student loans, legal services, Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits and poverty programs designed to bring the African-American community into the mainstream. Governments, businesses and colleges have engaged in discrimination against white folks with affirmative action, contract set asides and quotas to advance black applicants over white applicants. Churches, foundations, civic groups, schools and individuals all over America have donated their time and money to support soup kitchens, adult education, day care, retirement and nursing homes for blacks. We hear the grievances. Where is the gratitude?

Barack talks about new 'ladders of opportunity' for blacks. Let him go to Altoona and Johnstown, and ask the white kids in Catholic schools how many were visited lately by Ivy League recruiters handing out scholarships for 'deserving' white kids? Is white America really responsible for the fact that the crime and incarceration rates for African-Americans are seven times those of white America? Is it really white America's fault that illegitimacy in the African-American community has hit 70 percent and the black dropout rate from high schools in some cities has reached 50 percent?

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July 22, 2013 at 5:54 p.m.
rick1 said...

Page 2 of 2

Is that the fault of white America or, first and foremost, a failure of the black community itself?

As for racism, its ugliest manifestation is in interracial crime, and especially interracial crimes of violence. Is Barack Obama aware that while white criminals choose black victims 3 percent of the time, black criminals choose white victims 45 percent of the time?

Is Barack aware that black-on-white rapes are 100 times more common than the reverse, that black-on-white robberies were 139 times as common in the first three years of this decade as the reverse?

We have all heard ad nauseam from the Rev. Al about Tawana Brawley, the Duke rape case and Jena . And all turned out to be hoaxes. But about the epidemic of black assaults on whites that are real, we hear nothing.

Sorry, Barack, some of us have heard it all before, about 40 years and 40 trillion tax dollars ago.

July 22, 2013 at 5:55 p.m.
whatsthefuss said...

"BREAKING NEWS"

"George Zimmerman rescues victims from burning car"

I guess George is a slow learner. You would think after all the free advice from all the nice people he would have learned to stay in his car?

July 22, 2013 at 6:06 p.m.
fairmon said...

People treat the president and congress like the song that says lie to me but tell me you care....

July 22, 2013 at 6:07 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Soooo, BHO was for SYG before he was against it? Well, well

July 22, 2013 at 6:07 p.m.
chet123 said...

WELL,WELL,WELL!.....I KNEW THIS BUNCH OF JACKALS WOULD RETURN AFTER THEY GO INTO CAUSUS....MY QUESTION IS WHERE DO THEY GO???? HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!

NEXT THEY WILL SAYING ZIMMERSON FOUGHT AT THE BATTLE OF THE BULGE..HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

THIS IS AN IGNORANT BUNCH!

THIS PACK OF JACKALS ARE ALL OVER THE PLACE....CANT STAY ON THE TOPIC....GETTING OUT-WITTED BY A BLACK MAN!!!!!!!!!

MY DEMOCRAT WHITE FRIENDS WOULD NEVER BE SO STUPID HA HA HA HA HA

July 22, 2013 at 6:17 p.m.
chet123 said...

THIS PACK OF JACKALS HAVE MADE NO CONTRIBUTION TO THIS COUNTRY...

July 22, 2013 at 6:19 p.m.
chet123 said...

I WILL BE HERE FOR 30MIN. WAITING FOR THE RIGHT-WING NUTS

July 22, 2013 at 6:25 p.m.
Ki said...

zableedofisterix said... Ki, you're an idiot.

You seem to have a special love for that word idiot, don't you? You certainly use it quite a lot.

That's what you lefties do, you inject something into the discussion that has nothing to do with the man, or his actions.

And do tell! What does George Zimmerman allegedly helping someone in a wreck have to do with the fact that he killed an innocent, unarmed teen? All based on his suspicion, paranoia and yes, race? Now, some of you like to say that George had no idea the race of Martin. I say hogwash! It was near impossible for him not to know or at least suspect. And even if he didn't know the race at the beginning of his stalking of Martin, he did know before engaging him and killing him. And if he'd discovered Martin was white during his stalking, he'd likely have engaged him in a conversation rather than confrontation. Shook his hand. Apologized for following him, identified himself, explained himself and then invited him to come to some of their meetings.

You simply stuck it in because what GZ did was heroic and makes him look good. Stupid attempt to smear.

There's nothing heroic about what Zimmerman did. And your STUPID attempts to make it look that way only smears him even more than he's already smeared himself.

Ki, also, the crackdown on law-abiding, and legally gun owning citizens does absolutely nothing to deter criminals.

Nope! Just the gun toting ones like GZ, and likely yourself too, you can't wait to bag your first kill, then second, third, fourth and on, especially now there are laws in place sanctioning it. True law-abiding legal gun owners don't go out looking for confrontation, and they don't whip out their weapons on a whim.

July 22, 2013 at 6:25 p.m.
chet123 said...

30MIN WILL GIVE THEM TIME TO ROUND-UP THEIR CAUSUS FROM FLOYD BARBER SHOP AND THE FEED STORES

July 22, 2013 at 6:27 p.m.
Ki said...

JonRoss said... So if the four family members in the truck are black, black-Hispanic, or white, does George get extra points for tolerance ?


We didn't realize anyone was keeping score.

July 22, 2013 at 6:28 p.m.
chet123 said...

WHERES THE RIGHT-WING

July 22, 2013 at 6:28 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Ki said...

From your comment, directed specifically towards me, we'll assume you actually think I' am this easy person. You're be surprised, shocked even. I am not he/she. However, I consider it an honor you believe otherwise, and so many are so obsessed with this easy individual. Apparently, he/she made some kind of emotional impact on all of you for you to be so obsessed with him/her, present or absent.

No. As a member of the NW on this comment thread I was just profiling, for my own twisted psychological needs, the new poster in our formerly tolerant, trusting and peaceful neighborhood ... if you know what I mean? ... You do don’t you.

July 22, 2013 at 6:36 p.m.
chet123 said...

HELLO KI...

YOU ARE POSTING TO MORONS

THE GOP/TEA-PARTY/REPUBLICAN ARE LIVING IN A BUBBLE...AND THE WHOLE WORLD KNOW IT..

July 22, 2013 at 6:38 p.m.
chet123 said...

CAN YOU IMAGINE THIS PARTY WITH THEIR NARROW MINDS AND PIN-HEADED THINKING HANDLING FORIEGN POLICIES.......HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!

July 22, 2013 at 6:40 p.m.

No, Ki, you're the idiot. Yes, it was heroic, self-sacrificing and the right thing to do. GZ defended himself against a thug wannabe, 6' something angry young man who was punching him and pounding his head into the curb. The trial is over he is NOT GUILTY. Get over it.

Once again, idiot, your attempt to paint GZ as a racist doesn't hold water. There's no evidence that GZ is a racist, zero. There's a reason for profiling, because it works. It doesn't meant that everyone that wears a hoodie is a criminal, but it does mean that many crimes have been committed by people wearing hoodies. What's so hard to understand about that. Just like Muslim terrorists nearly all happen to be Muslim Men. It doesn't mean all Muslim men are terrorists, but because of a long, long, long track record of terrorism being tied to Muslim men they're stuck with being profiled. That's life. Innocent Muslim men should blame the Muslim men who are terrorists for being profiled, not the ones doing the profiling. They go by the history of the crime. Think man, use that walnut sized brain.

July 22, 2013 at 6:40 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Ki said...

I know a few elderly black friends and have black relatives.

Some of my best friends are Black ... Really?!? Can a lefty use that threadbare excuse with a straight face? And you didn’t even actually say they were your best friends

They live in a racially mixed community. They've been there for decades and, although there have been difference over the years, people came to soften up, respect one another and get along. Children of all colors openly played in and out of white neighbors and black neighbors homes. Doors remained opened, people often forgot to lock their doors at night.

Pay attention to the part I highlighted in your above paragraph it will be important later.

Then newcomers began to move in and form those neighborhood watch programs. Police began to show up at those meetings to give ill advice. Now, when they walk through their neighborhood, and someone has exited their car will look around and see them then immediately activate their car alarms.

Those cranky old time residents just won’t allow for their “differences” with the newcomers to “soften up” so they can “respect one another and get along”.

This has happened on several difference occasions. So it's no accident, or misinterpretation of what is taking place. And these are elderly people who've lived in the community for near a half of century. They've been followed by neighbors, and one in particular who didn't even recognize them as the neighbor that lived less than a 1/2 block right down on the same street as their follower. Although the elderly couple recognized him right away and tried to make contact by speaking. The individual never spoke back.

You just got to allow time to “soften up” those “differences” ... Right?

They've been followed around the community basically in the same fashion Martin was followed by Zimmerman. And they weren't sporting a hoodie, and one walks with a cane. So that's a lie when others suggest, or have outright said, Martins clothing made him suspicious.

This is surely some strange profiling because I thought those racist NW people were really after young black males as the ones always causing problems. However a lot of old people of all races do wear some suspicious clothing.

(cont)

July 22, 2013 at 6:43 p.m.
Ki said...

Jt6gR3hM said... No. As a member of the NW on this comment thread I was just profiling, for my own twisted psychological needs


Glad to see you admit to having a problem. Now that you know you're psychologically twisted, the next step is to GET HELP! Maybe you'll qualify for some of those same heavy duty meds GZ was taking. ;)

July 22, 2013 at 6:43 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Chet123: 30 min. Increments all you get at the half-way house?

July 22, 2013 at 6:45 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

(cont)

Now, as in the Martin case, some here have suggest Martin should have identified himself. They'll likely say the same thing about this elderly couple. Which both Martin and the elderly couple did try to initiate contact, the elderly couple by speaking, Martin by asking why was he being followed. But shouldn't it be the duty of the paranoid suspicious person to make every effort to know his/her neighbors? Rather than walking around on a daily basis with a cloud of suspicions of everyone or anyone who looks different? Why move into a historically racially mixed community if you're going to be constantly suspicious and in fear of everyone who isn't the same color as you.

It should be the responsibility of the newcomers to show who they are and prove they can fit in this neighborhood ... Right?

That's like the neighbor who buys a house next door to a duplex and complain the entire time about having to live next door to renters. The burden to prove one belongs is not the responsibility of the innocent individual going about their daily lives that white Americans take for granted. In fact, no one should have to prove they belong in any American community anyway just because they're a different color.

What ... Wait ... “no one should have to prove they belong in any American community”

This is America, and supposedly the nation that's been willing for decades, centuries to accept others from all parts of the world. And especially those who have been persecuted in other countries. Americans shouldn't be persecuted in America because of the color of their skin, and because a few others feel uncomfortable around them because of their skin color.

You mean like the established residents’ unwillingness to allow the newcomers to “soften up” and adapt to their new surroundings?

July 22, 2013 at 6:45 p.m.
Ki said...

Jt6gR3hM said... Once again, idiot, your attempt to paint GZ as a racist doesn't hold water


I didn't say GZ was racist in my response to you. Just his actions and response were. Try keep up. ;)

July 22, 2013 at 6:46 p.m.
chet123 said...

ZABLEEDOFISTRIX....I WONT PAINT ZIMMERSON AS A RACIST....BUT I KNOW YOU ARE!!!

ZIMMERSON IS A BETTER PERSON THAN YOU....

YOU RALLEY AND CHEER THE DEATH OF A BLACK CHILD....INSPITE OF ZIMMERSON WRONG DOING..HE IS A BETTER PERSON THAN YOU....

July 22, 2013 at 6:46 p.m.
chet123 said...

ZIMMERSON TRYING TO SAVE HIS BUTT....BUT YOU AND YOUR HATERS DONT EVEN HAVE A DOG IN THE FIGHT...BUT YOU STUCK YOUR NOSE IN THE SUBJECT AND CHEERED THE VERDICT....

I HAVE MORE RESPECT FOR ZIMMERSON THEN I HAVE FOR YOU AND THE GOP/TEA-PARTY/REPUBLICAN..ALONG WITH THE SOUTHERN BAPTIST CHURCHES

July 22, 2013 at 6:50 p.m.
alprova said...

Ki, thank you for the kind words @ 2:01 pm

JT - per your 12:49 pm post? Please go $%*& yourself.

July 22, 2013 at 6:50 p.m.

TM wasn't just a happy-go-lucky teen happily on his way home from buying skittles and sweet tea. He wasn't the smiling 13 year old in that photo the media loves to pass around. He was assaulting GZ and ramming his head into the curb. It does matter that GZ helped rescue four people from a burning car because it speaks to his character. It does matter what people do, just like it matters that TM had a questionable past. There is no evidence that GZ is a racist and there's no evidence that even if her profiled, he did anything wrong. Blame the gangsta world for saddling young black men with a bad rep.

July 22, 2013 at 6:52 p.m.
Ki said...

rick1 said... Second, no people anywhere has done more to lift up blacks than white Americans. Untold trillions have been spent since the '60s on welfare, food stamps, rent supplements, Section 8 housing, Pell grants, student loans, legal services, Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits ...........................................

rick1 you need to go back and educate your friend Buchanan. None of the programs mentioned above are race based. They're need based, and more whites apply for and qualify for them than blacks or browns.

July 22, 2013 at 6:52 p.m.
chet123 said...

I NOTICE HOW THE RIGHT-WINGS TRY TO PUT WORDS IN POSTERS MOUTH....THE RIGHT NEED TO FIRST STOP LYING AND LEARN TO TELL THE TRUTH...EVENTHOUGH THEY CANT DEFEND THEIR ONE-SIDED COMMENTS

July 22, 2013 at 6:54 p.m.
alprova said...

Zab wrote: "GZ, who has received who knows how many death threats since being found not guilty by a jury, forgot about all of that and helped to rescue 4 people from a burning car."

Well...he's tipped of the public to the fact that he's still in Florida, and that at least at that moment, he was in Northwest Sanford.

Not many people turn over their cars on the highway and pop out with guns in their hands in case George Zimmerman was there to rescue them.

We'll never know, but I wonder if he would have involved himself in such a rescue if the occupants were black?

July 22, 2013 at 7:03 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

It's never a successful form of interaction when you have to deal with those that prove to be so socially stunted that they can't recognize and deal with an insincere form of politeness which is used to offend one's interlocutor... you know ... Sarcasm.

Maybe they’re willing to present themselves as ignorant to save face although that’s not much of a trade off for advantage... don’t you feel so?

July 22, 2013 at 7:07 p.m.
chet123 said...

THIS CARTOON OF A CHARACTER WHO CALL HIMSELF ZABLEEDOFISTERIX IS SAYING 17YO TRAYVON RAN BACKWARD AND CAUGHT ZIMMERSON BY SUPRISE AND WITH HIS SKINNY 150LBS FRAME USUNG HIS HELCULES STRENGTH PICKRD UP 210LBS GROWN MAN AND SLAMMED HIM TO THE CONCRETE....AND SAID TO ZIMMERSON...YOU GOING TO DIE!!!! WITH SUPER POWER TRAYVON BANGED THE 210LBS MAN HEAD TO THE CONCRETE....AND WAS GOING FOR ZIMMERSON GUN....AND POOR ZIMMERSON WRESTLER THE GUN FROM TRAYVON AND ACCIDENTLY SHOT HIM IN THE HEART WITH A 45AUTOMATIC GUN

July 22, 2013 at 7:09 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

As someone who hasn't properly attributed a thing you have cut and pasted in quite sometime, you're being more than hypocritical.

I guess you will have to provide proof of that claim or have it categorized as your usual drivel.

July 22, 2013 at 7:09 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

DJHBRAINERD said...

Would any of you like a hint as to what is like to walk in someone else's shoes? If you truly believe what you post ,that blacks can/should somehow live up to YOUR standards, why don't you spend an evening at Mocha. When you walk in you may well be the only nonblack in the room. Walk straight to the bar look the fellow in the eye and order a drink. The entire experience may be refreshing to your world view and your pallet. If there is a Jazz band at Mocha it may become your new favorite hangout. But make sure you dress to impress , we wouldn't want the door man to turn you away! Do this and have a small taste of what it is like, if only for a moment, to be a minority away from your comfort zone.

I think that you have self identified yourself as black and if I’m wrong, you as a tolerant left-winger wouldn’t be offended to be misidentified as such... would you? You’re saying that to get a real idea of how Black culture standards are in variance to non-Black standards and have a “fish out of water experience” a non-minority person should don some stylish(?) clothing, go sit in a bar, drink alcoholic beverages and listen to music. I guess that you would expect that person would feel uncomfortably out of place and hyper sensitive to every look, utterance, and action by the “Others” around them ... just as you do?

July 22, 2013 at 7:11 p.m.
chet123 said...

HOPE THAT LIE HELP YOU TO SLEEP AT NITE...ZABLEEDOFISTERIX!!!!

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

July 22, 2013 at 7:11 p.m.
Ki said...

zableedofisterix said... Those cranky old time residents just won’t allow for their “differences” with the newcomers to “soften up” so they can “respect one another and get along”.

Police warned the newcomers against interacting with long time residents.

This is surely some strange profiling because I thought those racist NW people were really after young black males as the ones always causing problems. However a lot of old people of all races do wear some suspicious clothing.

You're such a desperate little thing. I find myself pitying you.

You mean like the established residents’ unwillingness to allow the newcomers to “soften up” and adapt to their new surroundings?

That's a very arrogant and superiority way of stating things. Why should having to wait for someone to soften be a part of moving into a community anyway? Why move there in the first place if you need to soften up? People had moved in and out for years without any issues. This was a different breed, however. That was part of the gentrification plans.

July 22, 2013 at 7:11 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

I haven't accused anyone of being a racist. I challenge you to post where I have.

Here you go ... there were many more I just got tired of collecting them.


alprova said...

Repeal

whatsthefuss wrote: "Thank goodness for that nice half black, half white man we now have for president."

Ahh...one of the racists emerged from the closet.

January 20, 2011 at 8:10 a.m.


alprova said...

The Press Release

Please...

It happened and rather than to defend those clowns, you should denounce them or I stick to my original charge that you tea-bagging defenders are all a bunch of closet racists, hell bent on starting a new faction of the KKK.

Stick that in your peace pipe and smoke it.

March 27, 2010 at 7:41 p.m.


alprova said...

Spray Tan

Not that you could begin to back up the above with anything that would be credible, anyone at all who would make such a statement is of the same caliber as yourself and just as laughably racist.

April 29, 2010 at 6:36 p.m.


alprova said...

Spray Tan

And you want everyone to believe that you are not a racist pig? Fat chance.

May 2, 2010 at 1:46 p.m.


alprova said...

4th of July

I knew you to be a little out there on some things, but until tonight, you had done an excellent job of hiding the fact that you have emerged from latent Libertarian bigotry to become a raging racist.

July 5, 2013 at 1:53 a.m.


Unlike many, I do know the true definition of racism.

You do? ... Really? .

July 22, 2013 at 7:14 p.m.
Ki said...

degage said... Chet , you must not understand what Obama said or what I wrote. If trayvon had been white it would have been white on white and the race baiters wouldn't have any reason to say anything. Try a little harder to comprehend what you are reading.


If Trayvon were white, George would be in prison doing hard time. That is if he'd made it to jail in one piece. Those Sanford cops would have certainly made a detour along the way. Maybe even made it look as if George tried to escape? And that ship'em back to Mexico crowd (although GZ is Peruvian) would be out in full force.

July 22, 2013 at 7:16 p.m.
alprova said...

I promised some polling results about the George Zimmerman case, and now that they have been published, here they are;

Black respondents overwhelmingly -- 86% to 5% -- said they were dissatisfied with the acquittal.

78% of the black respondents said the case raised important issues about race that need to be discussed.

Only 49% of white respondents said they were satisfied with the verdict.

28% of white respondents said the case raises important issues about race.

60% of white respondents said the issue of race, as a result of the George Zimmerman case, was getting more attention than it deserved.

The above survey was conducted between July 17 and 21 among 1,480 adults nationwide.

A Gallup poll, had a similar finding on the verdict;

85% of black respondents said the acquittal was wrong.

54% of the white respondents said the verdict was correct.

68% of black respondents said that the American justice system is biased against blacks.

25% of white respondents said that the American justice system is biased against blacks.

July 22, 2013 at 7:17 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

PT wrote: "So you're for jury nullifiation? YOU stated that the jury had no choice. So what else is there but nullification?"

The way that SYG has been applied in many court cases, you bet I'm for nullification.

I had peg you as the ends justify the means type of ideologue.

The chances that a jurist picked to sit in on a prolonged trial, who is not wealthy and thus likely to be progressive, is next to nothing. Most people who are liberal and poor cannot afford the loss of income that goes with such a duty, and are therefore excused.

Not so but it was wonderful to see you work in the theme that “Now it’s the idle rich’s fault”

The jury that ultimately was responsible for delivering the verdict that wound up sending Marissa Alexander to prison for 20 years pondered her fate for 14 minutes.

The case was a slam dunk against her but it was rude that they didn’t even take the time at least have a departing meal together.

Not a lot of thought went into that verdict.

They did all of the thinking that was needed while the prosecution laid out an open and shut case.

The judge ruled that the prior history of abuse on Marissa Alexander by Rico Gray was inadmissible.

If she had shown any signs of abuse immediately after the event, which she didn’t, then the judge may have allowed it.

The jury was totally unaware that Rico Gray had done a complete 180 degree turn on his testimony from his pre-trial depositions, as well.

That is correct but at the same time they didn’t inform the jury that Gray and Alexander conspired to falsify his statement to assist her during the trial. You know ... witness tampering.

I'm totally baffled as to why there is not a reasonable doubt in the minds of you people who gave George Zimmerman the same pass.

On the other hand I’m not baffled that you would select this case as a counter to the loss you encountered on the GZ case... You’re a Natural Born Loser

But that's alright. The signatures are piling up from across the country anyway, without your support.

Something to keep the low information voters off of the streets ... Right?

July 22, 2013 at 7:18 p.m.
chet123 said...

RICK....WHEN YOU TALK STUPID LIKE THAT ITS SHOWS HOW MESSED-UP AND MIXED-UP YOU ARE,,,,,MAYBE THE PRESIDENT IS RIGHT...AMERICA NEED TO HAVE A TALK BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE YOU HAVE BEEN SPOON FED PROPAGANDA FOR DECAGES....

YOU ARE A DUMB PUPPET FOR THE RICH AND GREEDY

July 22, 2013 at 7:19 p.m.
Ki said...

rick1 said... As an Illinois State Senator, Obama co-sponsored legislation strengthening Illinois Stand Your Ground Law. I can only imagine how the liberals will twist this.


The president never said or suggested in his speech the SYG law, or states that have it and other laws like it, should be done away with. But there's a need to re-examine them and how the laws appear to be despairingly applied.

Here's what he said:

“And for those who resist that idea that we should think about something like these ‘stand your ground’ laws, I’d just ask people to consider, if Trayvon Martin was of age and armed, could he have stood his ground on that sidewalk? And do we actually think that he would have been justified in shooting Mr. Zimmerman who had followed him in a car because he felt threatened? And if the answer to that question is at least ambiguous, then it seems to me that we might want to examine those kinds of laws.”

Obama’s Stand Your Ground mention in part addressed racial disparity in application of the laws, which are on the books in several states.

. Plus, the Illinois 2004 SB2386 is nothing like the Florida SYG law. It is substantively different, and only a tweak to the already existing 1961 Illinois Castle Doctrine law. But as usual, right wingnut conservatives have twisted the facts AGAIN.

July 22, 2013 at 7:26 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Yawn.

July 22, 2013 at 7:28 p.m.
chet123 said...

THIS COUNTRY IS SLIT RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE......THE GOP/TEA-PARTY/REPUBLICAN ARE USING THE SAME TACTIC THE SOUTHERN STATES USED DOING THE CIVIL WAR.....

THE IN YOUR FACE STRAGTEGY......STEPPING ON YOUR TOES AND DARE YOU TO SAY ANYTHING.....THEY ARE MISERY PEOPLE!!!...THIS ISSUE HAVE SPURN THE PEOPLE OF GOOD-WILL TO THINK AND SEE THE UNEVEN PLAYING FIELD..

THE INSENSIVENESS OF THE GOP/TEA-PARYT/REPUBLICAN HATERS HAVE AWAKENED A NATION....

REPUBLICAN PARTY HAVE SOLD THEIR SOUL TO THE DEVIL....IN THE PROCESS A LOT OF ORGANAZATIONS WITH THE GOP/TEA-PARTY/REPUBLICAN PARTY WILL LOSE THEIR CREDIBILITY FOREVER....INCLUDING THE SOUTHERN BAPTIST CHURCH WHO BREED STATE LEGISLATOR WHO PASSES HATE-BILLS EVERYDAY(AND THEY CALL THEMSELVES CHRISTIANS)SAD!SAD!SAD!

July 22, 2013 at 7:40 p.m.
chet123 said...

THERE HE GO.....BIGRIDGEPATRIOT.....SORROW BUDDY...YOU NEED TO DROP THE PATRIOT CRAP.....THAT DOG WONT HUNT

July 22, 2013 at 7:42 p.m.
chet123 said...

YOUR NAME SHOULD BE BIGRIDGEANTI-AMERICA

July 22, 2013 at 7:46 p.m.
Ki said...

zableedofisterix said... TM wasn't just a happy-go-lucky teen happily on his way home from buying skittles and sweet tea.

(A.) Neither was GZ a happy-go-lucky adult. He'd had run-ins with the law. He'd been arrested for domestic violence. Some of his prior co-workers and others who knew the other GZ described him as going from being calm one minute to in a rage the next. Like when he worked as a security guard and picked up a female at a club, tossing her across the room, breaking her ankle. He was fired from that job. GZ was taking medication to control his behavior. One of which can cause paranoia and aggression.**

He wasn't the smiling 13 year old in that photo the media loves to pass around.

(B.) And GZ wasn't the cute, little, puffy, adorable thing presented in the courtroom either.

He was assaulting GZ and ramming his head into the curb.

(C.) You mean like hiker Meredith Emmerson used her martial arts skills to beat the crap out of her stalker before he brutally murdered her. Like Emmerson's stalker Hilton, if either Emmerson or Martin had succeeded in scattering the perps brains all over that hiking trail or all over that sidewalk inside that gated community, they both would have been justified in doing so. Hilton admitted he targeted Emmerson because she was a woman. At least Hilton had the balls to be honest.

It does matter that GZ helped rescue four people from a burning car because it speaks to his character.

(D.) It speaks nothing, absolutely nothing, to his character or the fact that he cased, stalked, confronted and engaged an unarmed teen. Then pulled out his weapon, shooting him point blank in the chest and killing him, because he was losing the fight. On outward appearance, Sandusky appeared to have good character too.

It does matter what people do, just like it matters that TM had a questionable past

(E.) Not really. People sometimes use what they do as a cover to hide the darker sides of their personality.

July 22, 2013 at 7:47 p.m.
chet123 said...

AS ALWAY...ATLEAST THE 4YEARS I'VE BEE O HERE.. THE RIGHT-WING NUTS HAVE EXIT

July 22, 2013 at 7:48 p.m.
chet123 said...

KI....LET THE RIGHT-WING NUT TELL IT...ZIMMERSON IS A RECIPIENT OF THE NOBEL PEACE PRIZE AWARD..HA HA HA HA!

July 22, 2013 at 7:56 p.m.
chet123 said...

KI...THIS IS WHY THE PRISON POPULATION IS DISPROPORTIONATE WITH BLACK MALE

IF THIS HAD BEEN REVERSE...TRAYVON WOULD BE IN JAIL

AMERICA IS INCHING TOWARD THE OLD JIM CROW LAWS

July 22, 2013 at 8:03 p.m.
Ki said...

chet123 said... KI....LET THE RIGHT-WING NUT TELL IT...ZIMMERSON IS A RECIPIENT OF THE NOBEL PEACE PRIZE AWARD..HA HA HA HA!


I think the above sums it all up to the perfect T.

July 22, 2013 at 8:03 p.m.
Ki said...

Chet said.. IF THIS HAD BEEN REVERSE...TRAYVON WOULD BE IN JAIL


No doubts there, chet. And that's only if Trayvon would have made it to jail in one piece, or at all. For sure he'd have been arrested on the spot. And things sometimes happen in transporting someone to jail. Like, suspect tried to escape. Or suspect reached for my weapon and I feared for my life.

signing off. ;)

July 22, 2013 at 8:09 p.m.
chet123 said...

KI...THEY WONT RETURN UNTIL THEY THINK I'M GONE...THEY EITHER HIDING LIKE THE COWARD THEY ARE...OR THEY TRYING TO ROUND UP THEIR BUDDIES FROM FLOYD BARBER SHOP...I'VE BEEN DEALING WITH THESE NITE JACKAL FOR 4YEARS....THEY LIKE DINGO DOGS...OPERATES IN BUNCHES HA HA HA..I'M TIRED OF CHASING THESE COWARD DOWN...SO TAKE CARE KI

I'M OUT OF HERE

July 22, 2013 at 8:10 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

tifosi said...

Seems like some in the GOP still have their senses. Senator John McCain is calling for a review of the "Stand Your Ground" laws.

http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/07/21/19597091-mccain-joins-obama-in-calling-for-review-of-stand-your-ground-laws?lite

The problem with the left’s view of McCain is that they misinterpret his ill temperance as a sign he holds and maintains some core values he will stand for. But it’s not true as he is just a mean a^^ that will blow with any wind that benefits him personally and that is why he was not elected president. Most conservatives that I know were sickened by his obtaining the nomination and would not have voted for him on a dare.

July 22, 2013 at 8:12 p.m.
tifosi said...

The reason he didn't get elected is because he chose Sarah Palin for a partner. That is why he lost my vote. I always thought the world of him for being his own person and not a party puppet. He keeps getting re-elected though. Conservatives in his state like him.

July 22, 2013 at 8:49 p.m.
GameOn said...
July 22, 2013 at 8:59 p.m.
DJHBRAINERD said...

J6m..... You’re saying that to get a real idea of how Black culture standards are in variance to non-Black standards and have a “fish out of water experience”........ .....Several of the previous posts had alluded to Mr Martin's appearance and demeanor. Or how a person should dress to hail a cab. Well, no one gave me the power to decide how someone else should dress or walk so I just concern myself with me?. As far as a fish out of water you could substitute the 23rd st bilo if youd like but the bar setting or the restaurant setting is better because it is social. Chattanooga self segregates. Those of us who try to integrate are met with skepticism and disbelief both from white and black. If you would like to see for yourself get in your car and go from Harrison bay to glass st without getting off hwy 58. We live in two different worlds and most of the people doing all the fussing haven't ever left the south. It's not like this everywhere.

July 22, 2013 at 9:38 p.m.
limric said...

Reading the posts here, listening to MSM pundits and editorials galore regarding the Zimmerman trial exposed a plethora of deceit masquerading as facts, dishonest supposition and the pre-fab counterfeit racism on scale I didn’t think possible. In this instance, I am embarrassed to be associated with what passes for ‘progressive’ thought. A number of posters on this sight defended the Stand Your Ground law and its relation to this case, but only one repeatedly used facts as evidence and logic to argue in a rational manner. Kudos to that person.

There’s a saying/axiom that says if you kick a dog long enough eventually you’re going to get bitten. Today’s Black leaders (some of which I describe as vampires) have been kicking ‘whitey’ by blaming ‘him’ for everything that is wrong within their self-segregated community for so long that they’re now in danger of being kicked back.

Am I saying that ‘whitey’ is going to start taking physical reprisals? Well, no – at least, I hope not. And I’m not advocating that by any stretch of the imagination. What I’m talking about is kicking back in a political sense to combat a pervasive ‘I hate whitey’ doctrine of the so called black leadership and a imbecilic apologetic mentality of ‘enlightened’ people that are not black.

According to many black leaders, it’s ‘whitey’s’ fault that the black illegitimacy rate is appalling.

It’s “whitey’s” fault that a near-majority of young black men between 13-25 are in jail, have been in jail, or have been arrested at least once.

It’s ‘whitey’s’ fault that drugs are ravaging the black community.

It’s “‘whitey’s’ fault that millions of inner-city blacks still live in poverty.

It’s “‘whitey’s’ fault that poor, mostly black inner-city schools are failing to teach youngsters what they need to know to get ahead in life.

It’s ‘whitey’s’ fault that all of these things are happening because of slavery.

It’s ‘whitey’s’ fault because ‘whitey’ is ‘keeping blacks down.

And on and on ad nauseam.

Is this criticism accurate? Are the vast majority of ‘crackers’ in America openly racist towards blacks? Do they all want them to fail, to die poor and drug-addicted, want children to be fatherless and to be illiterate?

Vampires like Al Sharpton & Jesse Jackson to name only two would love to convince you that yes, this is exactly what ‘whitey’ wants, and try with all the resources they can muster to convince you to believe them. I don’t buy it, and neither should anyone else - because it’s bull cookies.

I’d like to let these so called ‘blame whitey’ leaders in on a secret – ‘whitey’ doesn’t have the time, power or desire to do all of the things he’s accused of doing, especially the part about being so blindly racist.

Cont.

July 22, 2013 at 10:49 p.m.
limric said...

Cont.

Yes, there is racism. But racism (tribalism if you will) exists between members of all ethnic societies. That’s why many sociologists, through the years, have observed that ‘multicultural’ nations tend to come apart because different ethnic factions so often cannot live together. The Balkans provides a perfect example of this, as does much of the Middle East. Western Europe is beginning to feel its effects. Painfully.

Does that mean, however, that all of us – regardless of color and creed – can’t be just plain old Americans? I posit yes……but it depends:

We can be, if we want to be – if we make a conscious decision to be Americans. Not this ‘hyphenated’ boloney. I don’t buy into hyphenated-Americanism and will not participate in that charade as they are statements of origin, not race identifier. I’m not a ‘Euro-American.’ I’m an American, period. There is no such thing as an ‘African-American,’ ‘Asian-American,’ or ‘Hispanic-American.’ Everyone’s ancestors, except for...wait for it...‘Native Americans,’ moved here from some other country or continent in the last 500-or-so years. That’s how America came to be; that’s what America is. That ‘diversity’ is what we are supposed to be celebrating. The above mentioned vampires very being is dependent on channeling the opposite with divisiveness and fomenting hate.

But unless some stop demanding exclusivness -while at the same time demanding inclusion, and until leaders of one ethnic group stop blaming all of their problems on members of another ethnic group, don’t think for one second that American can’t degenerate into another Yugoslavia, Macedonia, Palestinian-Israel, or Turkey and the Kurds. We can and we will.

Non-whites are already alienated from black political and cultural leaders, and they’re becoming alienated from Hispanic leaders as well. But whites, like any other ethnic group in this country, will only take the blame for something that is not their fault for so long – just as blacks rose up and rightfully demanded that they were no longer to be treated like second- and third-class citizens in their own country.

Black and minority leaders need to get a new act. They are selling their own people into more poverty and hopelessness by fostering a climate of victim-hood instead of ambition and inclusion. Also, they are anti-community, in that they don’t seem to want to become part of an American community because it would dampen their much hyphenated divisiveness.

We’re on to you – and the self-appointed apologizers can count me out. This isn’t all ‘whitey’s’ fault and I'm not going to apologize to anyone for being so.

July 22, 2013 at 10:54 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Ki said...

Jt6gR3hM said...Her husband in his own home standing near his children?

It was her home and not his.

(No it was his house and she was not living there)

Even if he might have lived there at one time, he'd been ordered to stay away.

(See above)

He forced his way into her home.

(See above)

She had a restraining order.

(Yet she went to his house and engaged in an assault which shows that her obtaining the R.O. was a joke)

According to her mother: * "And he was in her face, threatening to kill her. And the words he used? He said 'B----, I'll kill you,'" *says Helen Jenkins, Alexander's mother.

(Her mother said what? .... Will that proves the whole case)

July 22, 2013 at 11:13 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Limmie: Excellent

July 23, 2013 at 12:04 a.m.
alprova said...

JonRoss wrote: "Uh, yes its IS. Its like this in every damn community in the country."

Typewritten by someone who obviously has spent very little time outside of this nuclear area.

That is a statement of sheer ignorance.

July 23, 2013 at 12:16 a.m.
caddy said...

Zimmerman helps save family of 4 in car accident:

MSM Version: Enraged George Zimmerman flips over SUV, searched for black people.

July 23, 2013 at 8:46 a.m.
caddy said...

Limric, Well Said.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEHD5kaOhoQ

Multiculturalism is NOT a strength of American.

This will find little sympathy in a thread such as this, but who cares. Truth is truth.

"Now it is through maintaining the national diversities, as these express themselves in the difference of language, and are in turn upheld by this difference, that God prevents realization of the attempted scheme… [In this] was a positive intent that concerned the natural life of humanity. Under the providence of God each race or nation has a positive purpose to serve, fulfillment of which depends on relative seclusion from others.” ~ Geerhardus Vos in Biblical Theology

July 23, 2013 at 8:50 a.m.
caddy said...

Multiculturalism is not some harmless phenomenon that merely acquaints us with other cultures, but rather it is a concerted social movement that seeks to undermine, dismantle, and replace basic American values, including the right of free speech. Alvin J. Schmidt "The Menace of Multiculturalism"

July 23, 2013 at 8:55 a.m.
caddy said...

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July 23, 2013 at 8:56 a.m.
chet123 said...

LIMRIC...JUL 22 10:49

I THOUGHT YOU WERE BETTER THAN THAT...YOU COME OFF AS A COOL DUDE WITH YOU JAMES DEAN AVATAR...HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

YOU LISTEN TO ME VERY CAREFULLY...BECAUSE YOU KEEP MISSING THE POINT BUDDY...MAYBE YOU PLAYING A LITTE GAME OR YOU DONT WANT TO HEAR.

NOONE BLAMING THE WHITE PEOPLE IN GENERAL..NOT EVEN AL SHARPTON(WHO YOU FEAR SO GRAVELY)HA HA HA HA

BUT THERE IS A SEGMENT WHO CONTINUE TO PROTECT AND KISS THE BUTT OF THE RICH AND GREEDY(RICH AND GREEDY HAVE AN INTEREST IN DIVIDING THE RACES)

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