published Tuesday, July 30th, 2013

The Greeting

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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AndrewLohr said...

Sinners are welcome to repent.

July 30, 2013 at 12:08 a.m.
alprova said...

Welcome to Chattanooga, Mr. President!!

Pay no attention to those who have no manners, who dislike you due to the color of your skin, who dislike you because you care about the middle class and the poor, and that you want to see a return to this nation's vibrant economy.

God and his Son, along with the majority of this nation STILL have your back!!

July 30, 2013 at 12:27 a.m.
fairmon said...

What is in this visit for Chattanooga? Why a Amazon warehouse? Is he thinking about a federal sales tax on all Amazon sales? He has never met a tax he didn't like you know. Is Amazon a wealth creating manufacturing operation? Does this president and 98% of Americans realize the negative impact of a reduced manufacturing base on the U.S. economy?

Which city has the highest paid teachers in the country (averaging $110,000 per year) but is rated one of the worst school systems in the country? It is not Detroit.

July 30, 2013 at 12:29 a.m.
ZenPunk said...

"Is Amazon a wealth creating manufacturing operation?"

Well, no. No, it isn't. It's a retail store. A national mail-order store. The Sears-Roebuck of the 21st century. I'm really unsure where you got confused on the way to that conclusion.

July 30, 2013 at 12:35 a.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said...

you care about the middle class and the poor, and that you want to see a return to this nation's vibrant economy.

What a crock alprova....Gullibility is not a sin so you should be ok. The man doesn't have a clue about how to enable this country to have a growing and fundamentally sound economy. Unfortunately none in his administration and very few in congress know and have the nerve to do what is necessary to achieve such.

July 30, 2013 at 12:44 a.m.
fairmon said...

ZenPunk said...

I'm really unsure where you got confused on the way to that conclusion.

I know exactly what it is and it is not a wealth creating operation but a service business including retail sales of imported products. A country cannot survive with nothing but service industries that move wealth around but create none. Manufacturing, mining, farming and fishing are the only four ways on earth to create wealth by transforming something or some things to something of greater value. Services are nice to have and some are essential, some make the provider wealthy but they create no new wealth.

Unfortunately politicians think they create wealth and they have convinced a lot of naïve people that they can. FACT: politicians cannot give anyone anything they don't take away from someone else.

July 30, 2013 at 12:56 a.m.
bret said...

Glad you made it to the front row, Clay.

July 30, 2013 at 12:58 a.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "What a crock alprova....Gullibility is not a sin so you should be ok. The man doesn't have a clue about how to enable this country to have a growing and fundamentally sound economy. Unfortunately none in his administration and very few in congress know and have the nerve to do what is necessary to achieve such."

Well, you've got the condemnation part down pat.

How about enlightening the peanut gallery with YOUR solutions that would "grow a fundamentally sound economy."

July 30, 2013 at 12:59 a.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "I know exactly what it is and it is not a wealth creating operation but a service business including retail sales of imported products."

Be that as it may, any and all employees of the company might tend to disagree with your assessment that it's existence and operation does not create wealth.

Does working there make anyone rich? Probably not, but they do provide decent jobs in our area that pay well. Every dollar they earn and spend stimulates our economy.

"A country cannot survive with nothing but service industries that move wealth around but create none."

I suppose in your world, everyone is a Bill Gates.

"Manufacturing, mining, farming and fishing are the only four ways on earth to create wealth by transforming something or some things to something of greater value."

You don't consider sales of consumer goods, regardless of their origin of manufacture, sold at a profit, to be a worthy means by which to create wealth?

Corporate America, much of which was built on retail sales of all kinds of consumer products, seems to disprove your assertions quite easily.

"Services are nice to have and some are essential, some make the provider wealthy but they create no new wealth."

Sometimes I just have to shake my head at some of the things you type.

July 30, 2013 at 1:11 a.m.
facyspacy said...

Alp said, "Pay no attention to those who have no manners, who dislike you due to the color of your skin, who dislike you because you care about the middle class and the poor, and that you want to see a return to this nation's vibrant economy."

He receives the same courtesy he has given me. And yes, it's sad, but there are people out there who don't like Obama bc of his skin. He doesn't care for the middle class

July 30, 2013 at 1:39 a.m.
Badgerbm said...

facyspacy wrote: He doesn't care for the middle class

They recieve the same courtesy they have given him.

July 30, 2013 at 5:41 a.m.
fairmon said...

alprova ask...

You don't consider sales of consumer goods, regardless of their origin of manufacture, sold at a profit, to be a worthy means by which to create wealth?

Absolutely not, economics 101. The profit increases the wealth of the seller, reduces the wealth of the buyer but does not increase the value of the product. The transformation to something of greater value creates wealth regardless of where manufactured. The manufacturing of an automobile creates something of greater value but dealers and salespeople do not increase the value or create new wealth. Retailers and services simply move wealth around. Lawyers, doctors, teachers, insurers, banks, even CPAs' etc. are needed but only transfer wealth around and skim some off for themselves, or saying it nicer they make a profit, they do not create wealth. Home builders and makers of the materials for constructing a home create wealth. Farmers create wealth, commercial fishing creates wealth, mining and transformation to useful products creates wealth.

The increasing U.S. debt and decline of the middle class with the disparity in income correlates well with the reduced manufacturing jobs in the U.S. from close to 50% to less than 14% and still going down. Those countries with a growing manufacturing base also have a growing middle class. Japan is a good example of what an increase in manufacturing can do for a country and what excessive taxes and entitlements can do to those gains.

July 30, 2013 at 6:45 a.m.
fairmon said...

to the statement....

"Services are nice to have and some are essential, some make the provider wealthy but they create no new wealth."

alprova said....Sometimes I just have to shake my head at some of the things you type.

It seems we have a similar affect on each other. It is a fact that retailers can become wealthy. However, becoming wealthy by selling something or providing a service to others does not create wealth.

July 30, 2013 at 6:54 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Cut thru all the crap, and Rev ALpo still comes back to the race-card. Just like his namesake.

July 30, 2013 at 7:53 a.m.
EaTn said...

Come on out and help un-welcome the President. We don't want to lose our bragging rights as being one of the more red-necked, uneducated and uncouth places in the country.

July 30, 2013 at 8 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Really EaTn. Is that the perception? Delta is ready when you are, pal.

July 30, 2013 at 8:05 a.m.
degage said...

Al, yesterday someone wrote you charge 18% on the used cars and you didn't deny it. If that is so how can you claim to care about the poor and middle class? A person willing to pay 18% is one that has fallen on hard times and lost their credit rating, so you are preying on the poor like Obama with his agenda. You claim you have done real well under Obama, now we know why.

In 2008 Obama said that energy will skyrocket under an Obama administration, and that has happened. The poor and middle class are the ones hurt by that. The rich could care less.

July 30, 2013 at 8:11 a.m.
GameOn said...

If someone brought phony charges against me, I would not plead the fifth.

July 30, 2013 at 8:35 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

What does it say about Bennett that he puts himself in his own cartoons?

July 30, 2013 at 8:50 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

What the heck is Obama riding in? Is that Air Force One dragging its belly on the ground with people standing on the tarmac at the Chattanooga airport?

July 30, 2013 at 8:52 a.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "The profit increases the wealth of the seller, reduces the wealth of the buyer but does not increase the value of the product."

So what? For the last two decades, the transfer of wealth that moves our economy has been concentrated into the pockets of those who are sitting on it.

"The transformation to something of greater value creates wealth regardless of where manufactured. The manufacturing of an automobile creates something of greater value but dealers and salespeople do not increase the value or create new wealth."

When money is spent, regardless of whether or not it is "new" money, the economy thrives.

"Retailers and services simply move wealth around."

And what's wrong with that? When sales fall, when fewer people have money to spend, the economy stagnates. Moving money around is a GREAT thing, so long as it winds up in the pockets of most of the population who will spend it.

"Lawyers, doctors, teachers, insurers, banks, even CPAs' etc. are needed but only transfer wealth around and skim some off for themselves, or saying it nicer they make a profit, they do not create wealth."

Sir...there is enough wealth out there to keep this nation thriving for centuries, IF it were spent. When it languishes in the bank accounts of the ultra-rich, that wealth is doing nothing for anyone. including the rich.

"Home builders and makers of the materials for constructing a home create wealth."

And in the meantime, while there are new buildings being erected, blight increases when unused existing real estate rots.

"Farmers create wealth, commercial fishing creates wealth, mining and transformation to useful products creates wealth."

They create wealth ONLY if they sell their products at a profit.

Sales mean everything. Profits generated at any level create wealth.

"The increasing U.S. debt and decline of the middle class with the disparity in income correlates well with the reduced manufacturing jobs in the U.S. from close to 50% to less than 14% and still going down."

No disagreement there, but there is plenty of blame for that happenstance to be laid at the feet of those who are so profit motivated, who desire to amass wealth, that they betray their own nation by moving good paying jobs out of this country, as well as a good portion of their wealth.

"Those countries with a growing manufacturing base also have a growing middle class. Japan is a good example of what an increase in manufacturing can do for a country and what excessive taxes and entitlements can do to those gains."

Well guess what? Your President is going to make a call for cutting the Corporate tax rates in his speech delivered right here in Chattanooga today.

You should be orgasmic.

July 30, 2013 at 8:58 a.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "Cut thru all the crap, and Rev ALpo still comes back to the race-card. Just like his namesake."

Sticking your head in the sand is not going to accomplish very much.

There is a racial divide in this nation and there is a racial divide right here in this forum.

Bigotry and racism is most certainly alive and well.

It did not end with the passage of civil rights.

It exists within most people, to one degree or another.

July 30, 2013 at 9:04 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Yeah, Alpo, and its perceived continuance behooves Dems like you.

July 30, 2013 at 9:10 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

ALPO shooting down high prices at his car lot. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqHZWd...

July 30, 2013 at 9:11 a.m.
facyspacy said...

Asked about his views on euthanasia, Obama replied, "Youth in Asia are just like kids everywhere else."

July 30, 2013 at 9:13 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

facy: Especially in "developing nations" like the US and in Europe.

July 30, 2013 at 9:20 a.m.

And now the TOTUS ( teleprompter of the United States)! Welcome to Chattanooga! Oh, yes and welcome to that tall, skinny guy who goes wherever you go.

July 30, 2013 at 9:27 a.m.
alprova said...

degage wrote: "Al, yesterday someone wrote you charge 18% on the used cars and you didn't deny it. If that is so how can you claim to care about the poor and middle class?"

You need to look around at what other "buy-here, pay-here" dealers charge in interest. 28% is average.

An 18% annual percentage rate does not add that much to the price paid for a motor vehicle, given the price range of those I sell. I know a dealer just down the road from me who repossesses a vehicle if the customer is one day late with a payment. He assesses a $400 recovery charge if the customer wants to get the vehicle back.

Yes, I charge 18% APR, but I work with people when they have money flow issues. I rarely assess late charges on late payments, even though I contractually could.

Let's face the facts. Customers who come to my place of business do not often have good credit and most are living paycheck to paycheck. But they need decent transportation and I do my level best to provide it to them at a fair price.

Average interest that I charge is about $300-400 per vehicle, spread out over one to two years. If a customer pays off early, I always refund the proper amount of unearned interest.

"A person willing to pay 18% is one that has fallen on hard times and lost their credit rating, so you are preying on the poor like Obama with his agenda. You claim you have done real well under Obama, now we know why."

I do not "prey" on anyone. Many of my customers are business people, who like the way they are treated by us. I understand the current state of the economy and I treat people accordingly.

I've got five people on the books who have had their incomes disrupted by the rainy weather earlier this month. Rather than to repo their vehicles, I have allowed them the time needed to pick up their payments later in the month without penalty.

I treat people like people.

July 30, 2013 at 9:29 a.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "ALPO shooting down high prices at his car lot. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqHZWd..."

I love that movie. Got my own copy of it.

July 30, 2013 at 9:30 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Hones Alpo right up there with Mother Teresa.

July 30, 2013 at 9:31 a.m.
alprova said...

PT "Hones Alpo right up there with Mother Teresa."

I'm certainly no Mother Teresa, but I like the person I have become. And believe it or not, I have lots of friends, but a man can never have enough friends.

July 30, 2013 at 9:39 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

So Alpo: What's the story on that avatar?

July 30, 2013 at 9:44 a.m.

A joke with a Yiddish punchline coming from an Obama dissenter in Chattanooga, Tennessee?

Really?

SMH.

Another lost opportunity for clever ribbing of the Intern's critics. So much rich material. And this is all we get. SMH.

July 30, 2013 at 9:55 a.m.

Clay's facial expression says it all: "Ignorance is bliss."

July 30, 2013 at 9:59 a.m.
ibshame said...

"EaTn said... Come on out and help un-welcome the President. We don't want to lose our bragging rights as being one of the more red-necked, uneducated and uncouth places in the country."

That pretty much sums it up and if anyone wanted any evidence of it, all they have to do is look at the comments from the teabaggers and right wing nut jobs who visit this forum and read their "pearls of wisdom."

It always amazes me when I read the re-writes of history that right wing nut jobs like to publish. To read their version of history one would never guess that Repubs only came into control of the Governor's office and State Legislature only two years ago

To read their version one would think all this time Tennessee has been under the control of the Republican Party in the State Legislature and Governor's mansion. Never mind the fact that Ned McWherter was governor when Saturn opened their auto plant in Tennessee or that George W. Bush was President when the plant closed in 2007 (that must have been because the powers that be knew Barack Obama was going to be elected President and they wanted to get a jump on the unemployment rate.)What about the Nissan plant in Smyrna? Which Party controlled the Governor's Mansion and State legislature then? Pointing out the fact Chuckie had not been elected to Wamp's seat or that Bill Haslam was only the mayor of Knoxville and had zilch, nada, jack to do with the negotiations to bring Volkswagen and Amazon to Chattanooga makes no difference to those who want to re-write History and make all these "Only Repubs know how to bring an economy back to work" claims

It's the one thing you can always count on Repubs to do when it comes to taking credit for the good things that happen and pushing the blame off to someone else for the bad. You know like blaming Barack Obama for George W. Bush's colossal screw-ups with the economy and starting a war with a country that had zilch, nada, jack to do with 9/11 but cost the lives of over 4000 young men and women and maimed thousands more.

July 30, 2013 at 10:59 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Ibshame: You're everything that's wrong with the left.

July 30, 2013 at 11:23 a.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said...

Sir...there is enough wealth out there to keep this nation thriving for centuries, IF it were spent. When it languishes in the bank accounts of the ultra-rich, that wealth is doing nothing for anyone. including the rich.

Surely you don't think wealthy people keep their money in a bank account? Where do you think that wealth that will keep this nation thriving comes from and where will it come from for the increasing population? The government measures the velocity of money and likes it moving around since that does increase tax revenue since it is taxed each time it moves from one to another. Without the creation of wealth through manufacturing at some point the government will accumulate all the wealth which of course they will spend and redistribute as they chose.

I am thinking you consider government purchases a major stimulus for the economy although government buying is with borrowed money?

July 30, 2013 at 11:25 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Yeah, that last "stimulas" worked well, huh?

July 30, 2013 at 11:38 a.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "Surely you don't think wealthy people keep their money in a bank account?"

A great deal of what they have is not spent and it is indeed sitting in bank accounts or invested, either which does not in and of itself benefit the nation.

"Where do you think that wealth that will keep this nation thriving comes from and where will it come from for the increasing population?"

Geez Fairmon, the money that keeps the economy comes out of the pockets of everyone. It's a collective effort.

"The government measures the velocity of money and likes it moving around since that does increase tax revenue since it is taxed each time it moves from one to another. Without the creation of wealth through manufacturing at some point the government will accumulate all the wealth which of course they will spend and redistribute as they chose."

That argument sounds eerily similar to one that I read in here a few years back, that if all the illegal immigrants keep sending money into South America and Mexico, that this nation will run out of money.

What money the Government takes in, it distributes out, and currently, then some. Every recipient spends thos disbursements somewhere. It keeps the cycle going.

Your contention that without "new wealth" that this nation would die, is bunk. An increase in manufacuring would be most welcome, but it is not essential for our survival.

"I am thinking you consider government purchases a major stimulus for the economy although government buying is with borrowed money?"

To those who own and/or work for the companies that supply the Government those purchases, you bet it is a major stimulus.

July 30, 2013 at 12:19 p.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "Ibshame: You're everything that's wrong with the left."

And you are typical for those who are on the right.

You can't refute the mans words with intellect, so you simply attack him personally.

You can't kill the message, but you'll do your level best to kill the messenger.

July 30, 2013 at 12:22 p.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "So Alpo: What's the story on that avatar?"

Didn't you know? I'm Buzz Lightyear.

"To infinity and beyond!!"

July 30, 2013 at 12:24 p.m.

Well, the Intern's off the plane, Al-disproven's heart goes pitter-patter, and a Chris-Matthews-tingle travels up his leg, to infinity, and beyond.

July 30, 2013 at 12:41 p.m.

And Clay Bennett is getting verklempt.

July 30, 2013 at 12:45 p.m.
soakya said...

Governments don't create wealth, they redistribute wealth.

2 equations to remember: spending=taxation, borrowing=taxation. Doesn't get any simpler.

July 30, 2013 at 1:13 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Hang on, Bennett is about to wet himself. His lord and savior is walking on stage!

July 30, 2013 at 1:55 p.m.
degage said...

Al, You love to toot your horn. As for treating people like people it's more like treating people like dollar signs. Lining your pockets on other peoples misfortune. 18% or 28% still gouging.

July 30, 2013 at 2:01 p.m.
jesse said...

18% ain't out of line!

he's putting his money at risk and also the car!

28% is the norm and i wouldn't do for THAT!!

July 30, 2013 at 2:18 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

What a great speech for the low information voter!

July 30, 2013 at 2:32 p.m.
soakya said...

I bet some would think 18% is out of line for insurance companies.

July 30, 2013 at 2:59 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

If 18% is the norm, some of you cats have some really bad credick.

July 30, 2013 at 3:06 p.m.
jesse said...

P.T> IF ya got good credit you go thru a bank or C.U.

One dude buys a car from al ,drops the ins.and heads to Kansas or totals it out and It's a dead loss!

July 30, 2013 at 3:12 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

ALPO: 12:22 That was no attack, man. Just an observation.

July 30, 2013 at 3:23 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

So Jesse. You're saying ALPO totes his own note? Then he must have a repo man, no?

July 30, 2013 at 3:55 p.m.

So Barry has to come to Chattanooga in order to blame Washington and yet he's the leader of Washington. That sounds about right.

Yea, I can see why Clay Bennett and the low information voter are such fans. Peas meet carrots. Geez.

July 30, 2013 at 3:56 p.m.
Maximus said...

I would not walk across the street to see Barry The Race Baiter Welfare Pimp Obama... Ever since his recent comments on the Zimmerman self defense case where he absolutely tried to insight race riots in the streets I declare that Obama will go down kin history as one of the worst of all time rivaling Jimmy Carter. Did anyone see the U.S. poverty figures yesterday? Sad.

And Alprova I don't think Obama cares much about God and his Son. Obama like Anthony Weiner worships himself phony scandals and all.

July 30, 2013 at 4:30 p.m.
fairmon said...

alprova your economic theory is to get everybody spending and buying from each other and the economy improves without anyone creating anything new to be purchased. You know darn well you cannot grow an economy and grow the middle class with only services and sales. Less manufacturing means fewer goods which will eventually bid up prices or increase imports and the outflow of wealth to other countries. Noted historians attribute America's winning of WWII to America's superior manufacturing capacity, not their retail sales and services. Not criticizing your business but the truth is you are not increasing wealth but ciphering off some for you and your employees.

July 30, 2013 at 4:53 p.m.
Maximus said...

Obamacould give a crap about the middle class. What a joke! The only class Barry cares about is his own, the ruling class. Elitist Marxist socialists like the ones currently in charge despise the middle class and everything it stands for.....God, Guns, Family, and Country. Barry does not want to help the middle class he wants to use it to win the mid terms. Oh yea, and of course get another big gov elitist Marxist elected Prez....yes...fat...puffy...Bengazi Liar Hilly I Wanta Be Black Clinton! Now dats funny!

July 30, 2013 at 5:02 p.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said...

What money the Government takes in, it distributes out, and currently, then some. Every recipient spends those disbursements somewhere. It keeps the cycle going.

They distribute what they take in and then some? Where does the then some keep coming from? Why does it take the government to keep the cycle going?

alprova said....

A great deal of what they (the wealthy) have is not spent and it is indeed sitting in bank accounts or invested, either which does not in and of itself benefit the nation.

That may be the most revealing statement you have made to date. Very little of their wealth is "sitting in bank accounts". I guess you better get in touch with Obama and insist he quit saying that he would like to see more incentives for people to invest. Where in the heck do you think investments and risk taking for major industries comes from? Why do you take a risk of tying your money up in a lot full of clunkers? I bet you expect to get your money back plus some? A lot of wealthy people loan money to states and cities in the form of tax exempt municipal bonds, obviously at some risk. That is the best alternative for those entities issuing bonds since they can't get bank loans and they get a better interest rate if they have good credit. If not they are charged a higher rate just as you do on your high risk auto sales.

July 30, 2013 at 5:12 p.m.
fairmon said...

Apparently Obama is gone without any embarrassing incident...that is good. I don't think he is a good leader and I don't think he has a clue what to do about the economy but he is the president and should be treated with respect. He has finally started talking about the importance of good paying manufacturing jobs and the need to develop a work force that can utilize the high tech processes now in use in many manufacturing and other wealth creating operations.

July 30, 2013 at 5:18 p.m.
Maximus said...

Fairboy....Obama knows nothing about business only class warfare community agitating. How can you be so stupid to think that Obama knows or cares anything about business? Obama has never even run a lemonade stand and the only time he worked in the private sector he stated that he felt like he was in a foreign country. The guy is a welfare pimp union thug TelePrompTer reading politician that's it.

July 30, 2013 at 5:29 p.m.
Maximus said...

Did everyone attending the Obama show see the teleprompters? :). The guy has to be force fed otherwise he goes off on a Hitler like Marxist tirade.

July 30, 2013 at 5:31 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Even with teleprompters he managed to get himself into his stupid stutter mode. If it was Bush they would be playing the stutter moments in a continuous loop on national news tonight.

July 30, 2013 at 5:36 p.m.
jjmez said...

soakya said... Governments don't create wealth, they redistribute wealth.


Not according to Bain Capitol (Romney's starring child), Blackwater and host of other companies that got their start from federal government financial backings. In fact, most all those rightwing screechers shouting the loudest got their start from federal redistribution of yours and my taxes.

Bain capitol just went into the blood plasma supply business when it bought up most of British stocks in blood plasma.

July 30, 2013 at 5:46 p.m.
tifosi said...

I saw the President today. He told me to give Alprova his best regards. He also said for the rest of you twits to get a life and stop sucking the life out of America.

July 30, 2013 at 5:49 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Tiffy, did you give him a little peck on the cheek?

July 30, 2013 at 6:03 p.m.
prairie_dog said...

Poor dumb man. Lawyers can make more money by raising their hourly rates. Try that in a small business, and you find your customers going to somebody else. That's life in America.

The people making $11.00 per hour at Amazon are not buying Volkswagens made here in Chattanooga. A married couple working at Amazon for that wage is pulling down a total of $44,000 before Social Security and taxes, and that doesn't leave a lot of money for spending on things that will provide higher paying jobs for other people. It's a pep talk, and nothing more.

July 30, 2013 at 6:08 p.m.
whatsthefuss said...

ibshame and for you alpo,

Remember when Chattanooga was in the running to have Toyota, the benchmark in auto manufacturing, come to build at Enterprise Park? What happened there? The reason VW is in town is because the great civic minded officials you hold up as the only politicians who ever did anything for the area gave away everything and more in exchange for the Germans to come to town. Great deal for VW by the way. Toyota would have been here had the education level of area been higher. Don't get mad at me. Toyota said it themselves. PS, VW now has the same complaints. As for Amazon being the answer our president sees as the savior creating American jobs, remember if you buy from Amazon you leave the local retailer without the usual sale and sooner than later they will go the way of the small mom and pops shops we knew years ago. You may be to young to remember but almost every business was closed on Sunday. There was time for family & friends to congregate and enjoy each others company. Large gatherings included eating together were commonplace. Fathers worked, mothers stayed home to raise the children. Wealth among corporate giants is nothing new in the last 30 years and having the likes of Amazons will do nothing to enhance personal wealth among its workers. It will eventually eliminate certain property tax revenues along with the loss of sales tax, {tax free sales} as retail space will become unnecessary due to the inability to compete with online sales. It is no different than saying Walmart workers have benefitted from the giant providing so many jobs. Just the opposite where local business people who earned wealth being able to compete in the sales world were simply crushed by the giant. Love or hate this president or any other, the speech given today was all fluff with no signs of high paying jobs being created. Businesses such as VW & Amazon are doing business here in the south because of financial incentives and tax breaks along with being able to pay lower wages compared to other states in the nation. People who claim this false allegiance to a political party appear to have mental problems with a need to belong to something. Anything. The president doesn't care if you greet him or loath him. He came for a P.R. moment with a captive audience that was hand picked as always. Nothing more. Phony Scandals? Or are these stump speeches diversionary tactics? He claims he has taken his eye off the ball concerning the middle class and the economy in the last two years? His concern I find less than genuine. Phony Speeches by a disingenuous politician. Nothing more. Remember, If you don't get help at Moccasin Bend Mental Health Institute, get help somewhere.

July 30, 2013 at 6:11 p.m.
whatsthefuss said...

tifosi,

Yeah I saw you on the news with Obama. Wasn't it nice of him to hold your head upright and wipe the drool from your chin. Bless your little heart!

July 30, 2013 at 6:15 p.m.
whatsthefuss said...

Andrew, Remember, Luke 6:37

Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven,

And to leave on a positive note please always be mindful,

Religion is like a penis,

It's fine to have one and to be proud of it,

But don't take it out in public,

And do not ever attempt to shove it down any child's throat.

July 30, 2013 at 6:21 p.m.
alprova said...

soakya wrote: "Governments don't create wealth, they redistribute wealth."

Very true, and there's lots of wealth that is in dire need of redistribution too.

July 30, 2013 at 6:45 p.m.
alprova said...

degage wrote: "Al, You love to toot your horn. As for treating people like people it's more like treating people like dollar signs."

While I see the need for wealth redistribution, I'm a capitalist as well. I'm in business to turn a profit. Most Republican cheerleaders would consider that admirable.

I guess in your mind, that liberals should be exempt from earning profits.

"Lining your pockets on other peoples misfortune."

Excuse me dear, but that is a load of horse squeeze. I don't twist anyone's arm to purchase a thing. I offer decent transportation for a decent price, and I pick up a few bucks for toting the note.

"18% or 28% still gouging."

I don't charge 28%. I charge 18%, and there are credit cards out there in the pockets of prime borrowers with interest rates higher than 18% today.

July 30, 2013 at 6:53 p.m.
alprova said...

jesse wrote: "One dude buys a car from al ,drops the ins.and heads to Kansas or totals it out and It's a dead loss!"

In the last two years, I have had to repo five vehicles that people made a five or six payments on, then tried to disappear with them. Four customers have filed Chapter 13 bankruptcy. One, after he had destroyed the vehicle. The judge refused to make him pay me for the vehicle, despite my filing a secured claim. I got nothing. I lost three grand on that one.

Two bankruptcies are pending, and it will probably take me two years to get most of what is owed.

One girl went to the trouble to file bankruptcy on my note alone. No other creditors. She owed about $2,200. Between the bankruptcy court fees and her attorney, she will have to pay $3,000 on top of the $2,200 she owes me. She pays the same amount to the court that she was paying me.

For the life of me, I cannot understand why she did it. She wasn't that far behind on her payments.

The things people do sometimes...

July 30, 2013 at 7:03 p.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "So Jesse. You're saying ALPO totes his own note? Then he must have a repo man, no?"

Nope. I contract my repo's...to a woman located off of Rossville Boulevard, who finds 'em every single time. She's pricey, but well worth it. She ain't afraid of nothing or no one.

July 30, 2013 at 7:07 p.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "alprova your economic theory is to get everybody spending and buying from each other and the economy improves without anyone creating anything new to be purchased. You know darn well you cannot grow an economy and grow the middle class with only services and sales."

We're just gonna have to disagree with that. A thriving economy depends solely on money being moved from pocket to pocket. When th flow of money stops or becomes congested into too few pockets, the economy falters.

That too is economics 101.

"Less manufacturing means fewer goods which will eventually bid up prices or increase imports and the outflow of wealth to other countries."

So what? Even imports have to make their way to wherever they are sold, and it takes lots of people to get them there.

I've already stated that we need a return to a vibrant manufacturing base, but the future of this country does not hinge on it.

"Noted historians attribute America's winning of WWII to America's superior manufacturing capacity, not their retail sales and services."

That was then. This is now.

"Not criticizing your business but the truth is you are not increasing wealth but ciphering off some for you and your employees."

My wealth certainly has increased. I have far more disposable income than I did three years ago. My employees do as well. We all spend money and wherever it goes, wealth is distributed into many pockets each and every week.

It's called Capitalism.

July 30, 2013 at 7:20 p.m.
fairmon said...

alprova...

You are hopeless when it comes to understanding wealth creation versus getting wealthy or just moving it around but that is why this country is in the condition it is in. Your comments regarding imports is telling.

July 30, 2013 at 7:27 p.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "They distribute what they take in and then some? Where does the then some keep coming from? Why does it take the government to keep the cycle going?"

It doesn't, but you nor anyone else will ever get rid of Government, and you probably will never reduce the size of it either.

Revenue will increase when jobs become plentiful once again. If that increased revenue is not spent, it can be used to pay down debt. That's all up to Congress.

"That may be the most revealing statement you have made to date. Very little of their wealth is "sitting in bank accounts"."

That's simply not true. Lots of money is sitting in bank accounts. Most of it is probably offshore.

"I guess you better get in touch with Obama and insist he quit saying that he would like to see more incentives for people to invest."

Why? I invest, but not in stocks, bonds, or mutuals. My return is immense. I invest in my stock that I in turn resell. The returns are far and above what I used to earn when investing in the Stock Market, I assure you.

"Where in the heck do you think investments and risk taking for major industries comes from? Why do you take a risk of tying your money up in a lot full of clunkers?"

Because it pays very handsome returns.

"I bet you expect to get your money back plus some?"

And I get it too. Not every sale is a winner, but overall, I do rather well.

"A lot of wealthy people loan money to states and cities in the form of tax exempt municipal bonds, obviously at some risk. That is the best alternative for those entities issuing bonds since they can't get bank loans and they get a better interest rate if they have good credit. If not they are charged a higher rate just as you do on your high risk auto sales."

High risks still pay off, if you're careful.

July 30, 2013 at 7:32 p.m.
alprova said...

Prarie_Dog wrote: "The people making $11.00 per hour at Amazon are not buying Volkswagens made here in Chattanooga."

How do you know that?

"A married couple working at Amazon for that wage is pulling down a total of $44,000 before Social Security and taxes, and that doesn't leave a lot of money for spending on things that will provide higher paying jobs for other people."

That all depends on how they place their priorities in life.

Sure, if one is paying for a house, a couple of cars, rooms full of furniture, and other creature comforts, you're right, not a lot will be left over.

But what if a couple has their home paid for? What if they don't have a credit card in their pockets and pay for everything as they go with funds on hand, without incurring an ounce of debt?

Such people can afford to drive a new Mercedes if they want to on $45,000 a year.

July 30, 2013 at 7:43 p.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "alprova...You are hopeless when it comes to understanding wealth creation versus getting wealthy or just moving it around but that is why this country is in the condition it is in. Your comments regarding imports is telling."

Aren't you the guy who claimed to be an International businessman at one time, going here and there, setting up businesses in other nations, because the Corporate tax rates in this nation were too high?

Seems to me that your newfound stance is a bit hypocritical, given your prior claims.

I'd love nothing more than to see those jobs return to the United States. I'd love to see our Government not only allow the money being stored outside our borders to return, but tax-free as well.

There are a couple of conditions I propose to go along with this repatriation. A percentage of that money must be used to relocate manufacturing jobs back into the U.S., such businesses should be protected from any and all unions, and they must remain in business for at least two decades, or all bets are off.

July 30, 2013 at 7:55 p.m.
rick1 said...
July 30, 2013 at 8:12 p.m.
rick1 said...

JonRoss, your absolutely right Obama hates the middle class.

http://freebeacon.com/georgia-insurance-rates-spike-under-obamacare/

July 30, 2013 at 8:37 p.m.
facyspacy said...

The price of healthcare always goes up. Obama care is devised to reduce premium payments on insurance.... But that's it! The price of healthcare hasn't gone don. So who pays the difference? Huh

July 30, 2013 at 8:59 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

REMEMBER ONLY RACISTS OPPOSE OBAMA! RACIST NOW THE NEW TERM FOR WHEN YOU DON'T AGREE WITH OBAMA!!

July 30, 2013 at 10:58 p.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said...

Aren't you the guy who claimed to be an International businessman at one time, going here and there, setting up businesses in other nations, because the Corporate tax rates in this nation were too high?

Seems to me that your newfound stance is a bit hypocritical, given your prior claims.

What new found stance, it hasn't changed. Tax rates in the U.S. are still too high but selectively allow some to pay less. Your comment that it doesn't matter where products are made because imported products create jobs also is revealing of how little you understand the American economy. Imported products can create some jobs, other than transporting usually the lower skilled lower income kind such as retail outlets. Your business sounds a lot like those short term loans and pay lender vultures preying on the less fortunate you claim to care so much about.

July 31, 2013 at 12:04 a.m.
GameOn said...

I don't agree with alprova on much but he does have a good business model. Used cars are more profitable than new cars, less overhead is required, and fewer headaches. Plus 18% is a bargain for his clientele.

July 31, 2013 at 12:07 a.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said...

Why? I invest, but not in stocks, bonds, or mutuals. My return is immense. I invest in my stock that I in turn resell. The returns are far and above what I used to earn when investing in the Stock Market, I assure you.

So you were a bad investor, most people just buy mutual funds and select those poorly. Most people would do as well at a casino the way they invest in the markets. They don't take the time to do the work necessary to select where to put their money then buy the full amount they want to invest all at one time or sell all of a stock at one time. Used car dealers come and go, some survive the slack periods when they come, many don't, good luck, especially if you use borrowed money to buy the inventory.

July 31, 2013 at 12:18 a.m.
GameOn said...

Fairmon... Folks with bad credit are always around.

July 31, 2013 at 12:23 a.m.
chet123 said...

LISTEN TO PLAINTRUTH.....HA HA HA HA HA!!!

PLAINTRUTH YOU CANT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS BUDDY.....HA HA

PLAINTRUTH...FOR SOMEONE WHO LISTEN AND TAKE HEED TO EVERY WORDS SPOKEN BY HATER AND RACE PIMPS LIKE BILL O'REILLY,SEAN HANNITY,GLEN BECK AND RUSH LIMBAUGH WHO JUST DONT GIVES OPINION BUT HAVE DECLARD WAR ON AN ENTIRE RACE OF PEOPLE.....

I SAY TO YOU....ARE YOU TOTALLY UNCLUED BUDDY..HA HA HA HA

OH OH OH ...I GET IT...TO YOU RIGHT IS LEFT, UP IS DOWN, HOT IS COLD, HARD IS SOFT, LATE IS SOON AND THE COW JUSTED OVER THE MOON..HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

BECAUSE YOU ARE LIVING IN A FAIRY-LAND HA HA HA HA!

July 31, 2013 at 1:14 p.m.
chet123 said...

HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE THESE RIGHT-WING COOTS TO BE OVER AMERICA FORIEGN AFFAIR...HA HA HA HA HA HA

WE WOULD BE AT WAR WITH RUSSIA,CHINA,NORTH KOREA, AND HALF THE MID-EAST.....WITH MILLIONS DYING WHILE THEIR COWARD BUTT HIDE SOMEWHERE IN A SAFE BUNKER UNTIL THE SMOKE CLEARS......THEN EMERGE OUT OF THE BUNKER AND SAY OBAMA DID IT! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!

July 31, 2013 at 1:19 p.m.
chet123 said...

LISTEN TO OLD MAN JONROSS....HE SAID OBAMA IS AN ELITIST..Hmmmm..THATS A NEW ONE.....HEY JON ROSS WHAT HAPPEN TO A KEYAN, MUSLIM,TERRORIST,COMMUNIST,ARAB, TROLL WHO WILL EAT YOUR CHILDREN..HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!

YOUR SAID OBAMA BELEIVE THE MIDDLE-CLASS IS NOT INTELLIGENT ENOUGH TO CONTROL ITS DESTINY.....HA HA HA

HOW CAN HE BELEIVE THAT JON ROSS.....WHEN THE MIDDLE-CLASS ELECTED HIM AS PRESIDENT TO IMPLIMENT FAIRNESS IN THE UNFAIR BANKING SYSTEMS AND GREEDY WALL STREETS THAT YOU HIGHLY SUPPORT DURING BUSH AND CHANEY ADMINISTRATION

July 31, 2013 at 1:31 p.m.
chet123 said...

JON ROSS DO YOURSELF A FAVOR AND STOP GETTING DUMB-DOWN BY FOX NEWS BUDDY.....

July 31, 2013 at 1:32 p.m.
chet123 said...

PLAINTRUTH....SEE I'M GOING TO ONCE AGAIN PUT SOME TRUTH IN THAT COCONUT HEAD OF YOURS

DURING THE 60'S 70'S I STRONGLY DISAGREED WITH THE REPUBLICAN PARTY POSITIONS AND POLICIES....BUT THEY SENSIBLE AND RESPECTED THE RIGHTS OF OTHERS...THEY DIDNT SEND OUT SUBLIMINAL MESSAGES OF RACISM AS THE TEA-PARTY/GOP/REPUBLICAN OF THE LAST 20 YEARS...AND PRESENT DATE....THERE IS NO REASONING WITH THE GOP........

I GUESS THEY WENT CRAZY WHEN THEY WOKE UP ONE MORNING AND IT DAUNTED ON THEM AMERICA HAD A BLACK PRESIDENT......HA HA HA HA HA..THESE FOOL WENT CRAZY!...HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

TRYING TO SUPPRESS VOTING RIGHTS....PUSHING FOR MORE AND MORE AND MORE GUNS...CLAIMING THAT CORPORATIONS ARE PEOPLE..SHOOT TO KILL LAWS IN SOUTHERN(BIBLE BELT) STATES..THEY WENT LOONEY.....NOW FOR THE REPUBLICAN ITS A RACE TO THE BOTTOM

BILL O'REILLY SAID BLACKS ARE THE TAKERS OF AMERICA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!

WITH A BROAD BRUSH THIS COCK-EYE MAN WHO MASTURBATED WHILE TALKING DIRTY ON THE PHONE TO A YOUNG FEMALE EMPLOYEE HAVE DECLARED WAR ON AN ENTIRE RACE OF PEOPLE

July 31, 2013 at 1:48 p.m.
chet123 said...

I'M STILL WAITING!!!!

July 31, 2013 at 2:38 p.m.
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