published Wednesday, July 31st, 2013

Pacifier

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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alprova said...

Oh my...

The Chicken wing flappers are going to go nuts.

July 31, 2013 at 12:13 a.m.

Even architects of Obamacare say it's a disaster. Unions and Democrats want no part of it.

July 31, 2013 at 12:13 a.m.

I can't wait until his penalties for those failing to purchase health insurance finally sinks in with his young supporters. Failing to read the fine print is a bummer, dude.

July 31, 2013 at 12:23 a.m.
GameOn said...

The leaders of three major U.S. unions, including the highly influential Teamsters, have sent a scathing letter to Democratic leaders in Congress, warning that unless changes are made, President Obama’s health care reform plan will “destroy the foundation of the 40 hour work week that is the backbone of the American middle class.”

http://blogs.wsj.com/corporate-intelligence/2013/07/12/union-letter-obamacare-will-destroy-the-very-health-and-wellbeing-of-workers/

July 31, 2013 at 12:32 a.m.
rick1 said...

According to Al we are just a bunch of Chicken wing flappers.

July 31, 2013 at 12:38 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

^^^ Alpo is simply a hopeless ideologue.

July 31, 2013 at 12:47 a.m.
Renfield said...

Funny, the rates are going down in civilized places.

July 31, 2013 at 12:52 a.m.
alprova said...

Two things that people need to keep in mind. The rates for ObamaCare pooled policies roll out around October the 1st.

Any rate increases in evidence TODAY are insurance rates NOT associated with ObamaCare.

July 31, 2013 at 2:08 a.m.
alprova said...

rick1 wrote: "According to Al we are just a bunch of Chicken wing flappers."

That pretty much sums up anyone who is reacting to rumor, innuendo, and wild ass guesses.

This coming October, we'll all have lots to look over and to discuss.

But...I have no doubt that until then, those wings will continue to flap in the breeze.

July 31, 2013 at 2:11 a.m.
degage said...

A young woman I know works two jobs to make ends meet, she has no insurance and thought Obamacare was going to be free. Last week she was upset because she found out she was going to have to purchase insurance. She says she can't afford it. Then she started complaining Big business doesn't have to implement for a year but the individual has to. Seems she makes a few dollars to much to get Medicaid so she is up a creek without a paddle. Maybe You can help her figure out what to do Al, since you seem to think you know it all.

July 31, 2013 at 6:52 a.m.
MickeyRat said...

Pffftt, that's awesome Clay.

Oh look - it's John Boehner!....or any of the corporate facist Republicans suicide bombers.

July 31, 2013 at 7:05 a.m.
EaTn said...

Obamacare was a compromise between the single-payer system Obama wanted and the insurance companies the Republicans wanted, which they have since denied. Any repeal of Obamacare is a step forward to the single-payer system, better know as Medicare and Medicaid. The right-wing crying will ultimately take us there.

July 31, 2013 at 7:07 a.m.
soakya said...

degage, Don't worry I'm sure the folks that are for ObamaCare (I only call it that because the president did take ownership of that name)and who were so concerned about everyone being covered will dig into their own pockets without the encouragement of the government to help those that that cannot afford the coverage. You should see if she would allow her name to be posted on any of these forums, I'm confident that any of the tender hearted, kind, loving, soft spoken liberals that post on here would rush to help her. We should start a list for them oh, wait, I'm sure they have already started that list.

July 31, 2013 at 7:54 a.m.
degage said...

Soakya, Maybe Al will step up and pay for my friends insurance.

July 31, 2013 at 8:24 a.m.
EaTn said...

Unfortunately, lots of folks will pass on Obamacare because of all the false rumors and information being supplied by left-wing media and other uninformed posters. Obamacare has a liberal supplement provision for those who cannot afford the premiums.

July 31, 2013 at 8:32 a.m.
soakya said...

I can't afford a 300,000 home, where do I go to get a liberal supplement?

July 31, 2013 at 8:40 a.m.
soakya said...

degage, Tell her not to worry. She'll have insurance in no time now.

July 31, 2013 at 8:46 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

By Mary Katharine Ham

The ever-falling support for the ever-unpopular Obamacare comes from a constituency that may be of interest to Democrats. Democrats:

The landmark health-reform law passed in 2010 has never been very popular and always highly partisan, but a new Washington Post-ABC News poll finds that a group of once loyal Democrats has been steadily turning against Obamacare: Democrats who are ideologically moderate or conservative.

Just after the law was passed in 2010, fully 74 percent of moderate and conservative Democrats supported the federal law making changes to the health-care system. But just 46 percent express support in the new poll, down 11 points in the past year. Liberal Democrats, by contrast, have continued to support the law at very high levels – 78 percent in the latest survey.

As you might imagine, self-described “liberal Democrats” make up a minority of the party, with 57 percent identifying as “moderate” or “conservative.”

I continue to fail to see how trying to repeal something a majority of Americans have never supported, which has only steadily falling support from large swaths of even Democratic voters, is the outside the mainstream. As with immigration, “you can make a pretty convincing case” that Republicans are closer to the American people than Democrats are in clinging to this thing, in full. As I’ve noted several times, nearly all repeal efforts have been more bipartisan than the passage of the original bill.

Hence, Operation Oprah, to get young people on the hook so they can subsidize the older and sicker. To be fair, people like Kanye can get young people to buy $120 plain white T-shirts, so maybe he can get them to make this bad financial calculation, too. But will it work for the moderate and conservative Democrats that keep the party viable?

July 31, 2013 at 8:57 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

EaTn said...

Obamacare has a liberal supplement provision for those who cannot afford the premiums.

I would say very Liberal

By Wynton Hall

Obamacare’s delayed implementation of the employer mandate means health insurance exchanges and the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) will be unable to determine whether individuals are eligible for taxpayer-funded subsidies and will instead now rely on the honor system. Experts say the shift could result in billions of dollars in waste, fraud, and abuse.

"If the IRS doesn't have information about the plans large employers offer, it will be very hard to verify that. It will be an honor system," University of Michigan Law Professor Nicholas Bagley told Reuters. "The shift of employees to the exchanges could cost (the government) a boatload. Some people who are ineligible for subsidies, because their employer offers affordable insurance, may attempt to get subsidies on the exchanges. The IRS will have a hard time policing that sort of conduct."

July 31, 2013 at 9:14 a.m.
caddy said...

Show me ALL the names of Democratic Politicians who cannot WAIT to get on this NEW Healthcare initiative, Clay.

Don't just tell me they like it for the rest of us. Show me they want it. Not going to happen, and you know why.

The whole LOT are Hypocrites. Same goes for 2nd Amendment. They do NOT want the guns taken away that protects THEM. They do want to take away the guns that protect US from Them.

Again: Hypocrites. Progressives are too damn stupid to see the obvious.

July 31, 2013 at 9:19 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Caddy ^^ Naw, they can see it. But they're ideologues and will NEVER admit mistakes. The country be damned.

July 31, 2013 at 9:27 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

And then there is this

From Forbers:

The feds will also allow people to gain means-tested subsidized coverage on the exchanges without having to…test their means. “For income verification, for the first year of operations, we are providing Exchanges with temporarily expanded discretion to accept an attestation of projected annual household income without further verification.”

July 31, 2013 at 9:29 a.m.
carlB said...

caddy, what did you really say?
Over many years everyone of the "terms" you have used, have changed their definitions. During the EIGHT years of the Bush W./Cheney administration, how can/could the Republicans even hint at being conservative while trying to claim their getting rid of Big Government? Therefore, allowing the economic conditions of this Republic to be in the 2007 Deep Recession and "one" notch above falling into another great depression? What do you "wish for"?

July 31, 2013 at 9:47 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Yep, when you have no argument to support your position you resort to name calling.

Way to lower the discourse!

July 31, 2013 at 10:25 a.m.
caddy said...

Big Government GOP is every bit as guilty as entitlement Progressives. They simply spend our $$ in a different fashion. When will both sides weary of BIG Government--GOP & Progressives ? Take the country back. Refuse the two party debacle.

July 31, 2013 at 10:35 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

JonRoss: I, too, prefer the breaded and fried wings....Hooters comes to mind. Go there just for the wings.

July 31, 2013 at 10:59 a.m.
jesse said...

Had "HOT wings "for dinner last night along w/a "ghost pepper"( had 6 beers too,them peppers are HOT!!) or two!

July 31, 2013 at 11:05 a.m.
chet123 said...

ONLY WINGS YOU RIGHT-WINGS KNOW ABOUT ARE THE CHICKEN HAWKS WING ON YOUR SPINELESS BODY!!!

July 31, 2013 at 11:09 a.m.
MickeyRat said...

Those are good Caddy, Really!

Here's a good one too.

http://www.gocomics.com/tomtoles#mutable_980785

July 31, 2013 at 11:17 a.m.
facyspacy said...

"Let's get this straight.... We are going to be GIVEN a healthcare plan that we are FORCED to purchase and FINED if we don't. It will cover at least 10 million more people without adding a single doctor but requires to add 16,000 new IRS agents. It was written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn't understand it and passed by a congress that didn't read it but exempt the,selves from it. It is signed by a president who smokes with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes. We the people will be taxed for 4 years before we see any benefits from a government which already bankrupted social security and medicare and all to be overseen by a surgion general who is obese and financed by a country that is broke.... What the _ could possibly go wrong?"

July 31, 2013 at 11:23 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

good stuff, facyspacy

July 31, 2013 at 11:52 a.m.
soakya said...

well said facyspacy.

July 31, 2013 at 11:54 a.m.
facyspacy said...

I wish I could be like Barry and lie and say that that is my dialogue butttttttt I stole it

July 31, 2013 at 12:12 p.m.
Maximus said...

From an Amazon employee....."Two bus loads of Obama fans, aka blind liberal Democrat community agitators, from Atlanta were unloaded at the Obama show venue while Amazon employees were heavily screened with many not being allowed to attend the campaign rally type event."

And we want to implement any plan with Barry The Welfare Pimps name on it? No thank you. Clay the pacifier is for you and Anthony Weiner....two perves that can't let go of adolescence.

July 31, 2013 at 12:16 p.m.
alprova said...

degage wrote: "A young woman I know works two jobs to make ends meet, she has no insurance and thought Obamacare was going to be free. Last week she was upset because she found out she was going to have to purchase insurance. She says she can't afford it. Then she started complaining Big business doesn't have to implement for a year but the individual has to. Seems she makes a few dollars to much to get Medicaid so she is up a creek without a paddle. Maybe You can help her figure out what to do Al, since you seem to think you know it all."

Sure...glad to help!!

If she is single and earns between $11,505 and $46,021, and she signs up for a plan this coming October, she will qualify for subsidies that will help her pay those premiums. If she makes less than $15,302, she will qualify for Medicaid.

The sign up process will include answering questions about her medical and tax information. The system will automatically calculate the subsidies that she will be entitled to. Subsidies are given in the form of tax credits based on income and are paid by the health insurance companies toward the premium on a monthly basis.

The tax credits (subsidies) that she may qualify for will be applied to the cost of the health health plan she chooses immediately upon enrollment in a plan.

Tax credits are only available to those who enroll in plans set up through the Health Insurance Exchanges. You must enroll in a health plan through the Health Insurance Exchange Marketplaces if you want to use your tax credits. She may well qualify for a free plan once her credits are applied.

Tax credits will be adjusted at the end of the year based on her actual income. At the end of the year, the tax credits may be adjusted if her income has changed during the year.

If she pays any of the premiums and she was entitled to pay less, she will receive a refund on her over-payments when she files her taxes. If her income increased during the year, and she does not report that to the health insurance company that issues her policy, an adjustment will be made when she files her taxes, most likely resulting in a reduction of any refund she may have coming.

July 31, 2013 at 12:22 p.m.
alprova said...

soakya wrote: "I can't afford a 300,000 home, where do I go to get a liberal supplement?"

Who is mandating that you must purchase a home at any price? Who is mandating that you even have to live in a home?

July 31, 2013 at 12:27 p.m.
alprova said...

JonRoss wrote: "Yesterday Barry said the pipeline would create only 50 jobs, but all other sources say around 22,000."

Those 22,00 jobs will only be temporary. When the pipeline is finished, the only permanent jobs that will result, for those who will maintain it will number between 50-100.

In the meantime, Canada is currently dealing with several pipelines that have burst, spilling untold amounts of crude oil in Ontario and Alberta.

July 31, 2013 at 12:36 p.m.
jjmez said...

alprova said: "Those 22,00 jobs will only be temporary. When the pipeline is finished, the only permanent jobs that will result, for those who will maintain it will number between 50-100."

Oh, snap! dam/N and sh!t, al. You beat me to it. Not only did the GOP sneak in temp jobs in their calculations, they also sneaked in all those low-wage fast food restaurants that'll be cropping up all over, or the ones already there hiring more low-wage workers. People migrating to the job source and needing a place to stay, which will include hotels, motels and hiring more people will be needed. Then there's always those despised undocumented workers the GOP loves to hate, but are eager to use for their cheap labor. Any permanent jobs will be seen in the already wealthy top 1%-ers. That's where the president got it right, when he said the pipeline would only produce about 50 permanent positions.

alprova said: In the meantime, Canada is currently dealing with several pipelines that have burst, spilling untold amounts of crude oil in Ontario and Alberta.

And don't forget the ruptured pipeline that burst running through Yellowstone a year or so ago. Messed up some towns in Montana and others, where people had to evacuate. Last heard, they were still cleaning up the mess.

July 31, 2013 at 1:03 p.m.
jjmez said...

PT said: ....Hooters comes to mind.

Go there just for the wings.

Suuurrrrrrreeeee you do, PT. Don't worry. We won't tell. ;)

July 31, 2013 at 1:06 p.m.
rick1 said...

Degage, what Al forgot to mention is that ObamaCare may may take away your friends incentive to earn more.

http://www.valuepenguin.com/2013/07/aca-subsidy-cliff-may-incentivize-working-less

July 31, 2013 at 1:09 p.m.
alprova said...

Facyspacy cut and pasted: "..."Let's get this straight.... We are going to be GIVEN a healthcare plan that we are FORCED to purchase and FINED if we don't. It will cover at least 10 million more people without adding a single doctor but requires to add 16,000 new IRS agents."

Patently false;

http://www.factcheck.org/2010/03/irs-expansion/

http://www.politifact.com/georgia/statements/2012/jul/10/tom-price/price-16000-irs-agents-will-enforce-obama-health-c/

"It was written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn't understand it and passed by a congress that didn't read it but exempt the,selves from it."

Every member of Congress will be required to choose a plan offered through the national health care exchange starting Januaray 1, 2014.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/politics/congressional/Factcheck_Congress_exempt_from_Obamacare.html

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2011/12/08/congress-exempted-from-obamacare/

"It is signed by a president who smokes with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes."

There's a little more to the story than him being a man who refused to pay his taxes. His mistaken belief that he did not owe certain taxes was caught during an audit, he wrote a check and made full and immediate restitution.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123187503629378119.html

July 31, 2013 at 1:15 p.m.
soakya said...

If I'm not mistaken Geietner failed to pay self-employment taxes. One of the smartest men in the world didn't know 1099-misc income was subject to self-employment tax. Even if he thought he was an employee and was misclassified as an independent contractor he still would have owed his share of FICA as an employee. Not to complex of a tax issue especially for a man of his stature, education and background. Only a couple of options here, he's not as smart as some thought he was or well, you get the picture. I personally believe he's just not as smart as some think he is.

July 31, 2013 at 1:32 p.m.
facyspacy said...

Al said.... There's a little more to the story than him being a man who refused to pay his taxes. His mistaken belief that he did not owe certain taxes was caught during an audit, he wrote a check and made full and immediate restitution.

So if I rob a store and get caught, all I have to do is write a check and it's ok?

July 31, 2013 at 1:33 p.m.
alprova said...

rick1 wrote: "Degage, what Al forgot to mention is that ObamaCare may may take away your friends incentive to earn more."

I have heard about people like you.

I've got a brother who is now a big-wig with Kroger and lives in Cincinnati. Years ago, he got his start right here in Chattanooga with Red Food Stores. He was an assistant store manager.

At various times, hourly workers were asked to work extra hours, or overtime if you will, when customer demand dictated that more staff be on hand.

It seems that some people are so mentally challenged, that they would refuse to work any overtime hours, which paid them time and a half, because "they'll take more taxes out of my check."

It mattered not a whit to some, that they would have more money to spend as a result of working overtime, because most of what they earned would be reflected in their checks. It was the minute amount of increased taxes taken out that mattered to them.

Anyone who would willfully limit their earning potential, for any reason, are tripping over dollars to save a dime.

And forgive me, but such people are just plain stupid.

July 31, 2013 at 1:36 p.m.
facyspacy said...

A p wrote "Facyspacy cut and pasted: "..."Let's get this straight.... We are going to be GIVEN a healthcare plan that we are FORCED to purchase......."

Didn't cut and paste, but I did post that I stole it from someone else

July 31, 2013 at 1:40 p.m.
soakya said...

some people are just plain stupid but what's worse is a stupid liar.

July 31, 2013 at 1:41 p.m.
alprova said...

soakya wrote: "If I'm not mistaken Geietner failed to pay self-employment taxes. One of the smartest men in the world didn't know 1099-misc income was subject to self-employment tax."

If I'm not mistaken, he worked at the time for the International Monetary Fund Exchange, which exempted him from Income taxes, but not other taxes.

"Even if he thought he was an employee and was misclassified as an independent contractor he still would have owed his share of FICA as an employee."

Which was pointed out to him during that audit. The point being, that he immediately made restitution upon discovery of the mistake.

"Not to complex of a tax issue especially a man of his stature and background."

Perhaps you are right, but no one who confirmed him accused the man of intentionally not paying his taxes. It was a mistake plain and simple.

"Only a couple of options here, he's not as smart as some thought he was or well, you get the picture. I personally believe he's just not as smart as some think he is."

Everyone is human, Sir. Everyone makes mistakes. Some people jump to conclusions without any evidence whatsoever to substantiate them, and they will often use a man's past, regardless of the facts as they were, to make political points in cutesy machinations contained in chicken wing flapping diatribes.

July 31, 2013 at 1:49 p.m.

whaaaaa, whaaaa, help BARACK, help me, help my fat ass, bail me out BARACK pay for all of my needs. Take care of me even though it's my own fault that I'm a sick blob of fat, whaaaaaa!

July 31, 2013 at 1:52 p.m.
alprova said...

Facyspacy wrote: "Didn't cut and paste, but I did post that I stole it from someone else"

If you didn't cut and paste it, you sure went to a lot of trouble to type someone else's creation.

It's a load of horse squeeze nonetheless.

July 31, 2013 at 1:53 p.m.

The liberals America: you can by a house for $1.00 in Detroit, and there haven't been any takers, but in the Washington D.C. area nearly everyone is rich because they work for the Government, and the average house is worth a hell of lot and they're being bought up fast.

July 31, 2013 at 1:57 p.m.
facyspacy said...

Who pays the difference, ap? Healthcare costs the same.... Premiums go down..... More people get insurance.... Who pays the addition cost? And don't think it's the upper 2% only that pays the difference. Even liberals grinding out rent every month in rossville will be helping foot the bill. The only horse squeeze about this topic is the failing plan for healthcare

July 31, 2013 at 2:52 p.m.
Maximus said...

Leave it to Alpo to be an entitlement/guvment relief expert! Vomit bags anyone?

July 31, 2013 at 2:53 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Alpo is simply a hopeless ideologue.

July 31, 2013 at 3:10 p.m.
workinjay said...

Maximus, Did you know that me and you are the same person? Well, that's according to Alprova anyway. If you haven't done so already, you should check out "The Red Carpet" cartoon by Bennett from July 28. Alprova spent 2 days trying to figure out who I might be because I busted him out for claiming to be a CPA and business owner. He isn't either one by the way. He still hasn't confessed his lies even though he knows everyone knows he's lying. I tried to tell him I'm Batman, but he doesn't believe me. It's kind of hard though for a liar to be able to trust anyone else.

July 31, 2013 at 3:26 p.m.
alprova said...

Flap flap flap those chicken wings my Republican friends or foes, as you may determine us to be.

It's more than a little apparent that not one of you have taken the time to understand the proposals, the bill itself, the changes that have been made since the bill was passed, and that all you can offer up is what can be read on anti-Obama, anti-Democrat, pro right-wing sites, equally filled with the same misinformation, ignorance, and outright lies that you express into this forum.

The information is out there. It has been for quite some time.

The choices that will be offered as well as any and all costs, will be revealed around the 1st of October.

Why don't we all wait until then to proclaim the sky is falling upon the United States?

July 31, 2013 at 3:29 p.m.
alprova said...

"Alprova spent 2 days trying to figure out who I might be because I busted him out for claiming to be a CPA and business owner. He isn't either one by the way."

Whomever you are, you haven't "busted" me for a thing. Whomever you are, you have your suspicions, but not an ounce of proof to any of your accusations.

As someone posted a little while ago...

"Yep, when you have no argument to support your position you resort to name calling."

Sometimes people resort to making unsubstantiated accusations as well.

"Way to lower the discourse!"

Indeed.

July 31, 2013 at 3:37 p.m.
workinjay said...

There goes Alprova again talking about "horse squeeze". Seriously Alprova? Tell us the lie again about how to verify you're a CPA. You better get back to work because the owner, of that business you don't own, may not like you spending so much time on the computer. Go wash a car or something, or is that too good for a "CPA"? You can sit back with your elitist mentality and say "hey boy, go wash that car. I'm a CPA and I run this business I don't own."

July 31, 2013 at 3:40 p.m.
soakya said...

If you have someone's name and its not showing up on the link I posted then that person is not a CPA. Either that person is not who you think he is or he is not a CPA. Plain and simple only 2 possibilities. Be assured if you are certain of his name he is not a CPA.

July 31, 2013 at 3:54 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

ALPY: Oh what a tangled web we weave.....and so forth.

July 31, 2013 at 3:58 p.m.
alprova said...

Whatever you say boys or girls. You'll never know one way or the other, 'cause I'm not bothered in the least by your accusations.

The more you keep tying the same things over and over, the more hilarious it becomes.

Grow up and go out and buy yourselves a life.

July 31, 2013 at 4:04 p.m.
facyspacy said...

Alp is not listed as a CPA in TN or GA...he is listed as business owner though. I'll give him a half Lie.... Or half truth (as a liberal would say)

July 31, 2013 at 4:05 p.m.
workinjay said...

Alprova, By the way, I took your advice and tried to go ====> myself. Man, I've been trying really hard too. That's why I haven't been able to post. I'm sorry. I've come to realize that I will never be a contortionist because I'm just not limber enough. I figure that its already being done to me anyway, on a regular basis, everytime I see the taxes come out of my check. And I'm here to tell you, that stuff hurts. So while I would like to take your advice because I value your opinion, I just won't be able to continue trying to ====> myself. Besides, let's just say I did end up liking it. I'd never want to leave the house. That would mean I wouldn't go to work. That would mean I couldn't pay taxes. That would mean less money going to pay the people that go to your place of business, that you don't own, to take advantage of with your 18% interest. I wouldn't want to upset that cycle. By the way, since you brought it up, who are all those "beoches" in your life that have you so bothered.? Tell us brother so we can help you. We are here for you. But you need to be honest with us.

July 31, 2013 at 4:11 p.m.
alprova said...

PT, I'm not the one weaving any webs. That was started by all you game players.

It's a very old game of Internet forum trollism.

You can't refute the messages, so they attempt to discredit the messenger.

I've been around on the web far to long to let such crap bother me.

July 31, 2013 at 4:11 p.m.
soakya said...

Anyone that knows for certain they have the correct name knows for certain there is no license attached to that name. Or I guess there could be a 3rd possibility, you could have the correct name, he could be a CPA, but there's an anomaly in the system that just doesn't pick up that name.

July 31, 2013 at 4:13 p.m.
MickeyRat said...

"Because America is too great -- to improve."

July 31, 2013 at 4:16 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Yeah, Alpy. I can tell you're not bothered.

July 31, 2013 at 4:16 p.m.
workinjay said...

Soakya, Thank you ma'am or sir for clarifying his lie. By the way, he says you're not entitled to a house. That's because he could care less if you slept in a tent. Just as long as you go to work to pay for someone else to have a house.

July 31, 2013 at 4:24 p.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "Yeah, Alpy. I can tell you're not bothered."

Aren't you the one who suggested that I love being the center of attention?

Gotta do my part to keep it all alive for as long as possible, right?

July 31, 2013 at 4:31 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

That wuz me

July 31, 2013 at 4:39 p.m.
soakya said...

I thought liberals cared about everyone.

July 31, 2013 at 4:40 p.m.
klifnotes said...

facyspacy said... Who pays the difference, ap? Healthcare costs the same.... Premiums go down..... More people get insurance.... Who pays the addition cost? And don't think it's the upper 2% only that pays the difference. Even liberals grinding out rent every month in rossville will be helping foot the bill. The only horse squeeze about this topic is the failing plan for healthcare July 31, 2013 at 2:52 p.m.


Who's already paying the difference, facy, when the uninsured and underinsured needs medical attention? Both those liberals, conservatives and all other insured grinding out the rent in Rossville and all across the nation. That's one of the major reasons insurance premiums are already off the charts, because hospitals and clinics must charge more to make up for the loss. And if steps aren't taken, medical cost will explode like a supernova spilling its guts all over the place. The next option, I'm sure you'll suggest, is to let all the uninsured die a slow and painful, disease ridden death. But then you might end up with some incurable contagious illness from their not getting medical treatment when you go in to dine at some fancy restaurant, fast food, lowly paid daycare worker, aide in some nursing home or having eaten some crop a sick migrant worker had to pick, so you can still get tomatoes at less than 2 bucks a lb at your local grocer. See, we all really are in this together. And what affects one of once, circles around to affect all of us in some way.

July 31, 2013 at 5:09 p.m.
klifnotes said...

alprova said...

PT, I'm not the one weaving any webs. That was started by all you game players.

It's a very old game of Internet forum trollism.

You can't refute the messages, so they attempt to discredit the messenger.

I've been around on the web far to long to let such crap bother me.


Al, ignore the naysayers. The only reason they exist isn't because they co-exist, but because they are the alter-egos and split personalities of one another, who go around sniffing each others butts day in and day out. They wouldn't even be on here relentlessly attacking you if one or two stopped posting. They're like the pack of hyenas and jackalasses who, when alone-they walk around scared sh!tless and with their tails tucked between their legs, jumping at every noise/every movement. They only become vicious when in a pack and other hyenas and jackalasses show up. They are to be pitied. They are weak in the presence of true decency and grace. That scares the he/ll* out of'em, and they know it.

July 31, 2013 at 5:18 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Kliffy: You have me pegged, I must say. Quite intuitive.

July 31, 2013 at 5:28 p.m.
workinjay said...

Soakya, Sorry but liberals only care about themselves. They don't even care about other liberals. They empower other liberals for support, to either control or to continue to take. Pretentious induced reasoning justifies them to take from others because they are either jealous or incompetent. I myself have been attracted to this ideology because of my own jealousy and incompetence. Since I have embraced this concept, I am now free from accountability and responsibility. You see, I am jealous of Lebron James because he makes more than me (shhh, don't tell anyone, but he even makes more than Alprova and he's a CPA. If he finds out he will have to start telling people he plays in the NBA). It's not my fault that Mr. James was born with a talent that no matter how hard I tried would never be able to attain. I feel now as though I should get some of his money. I can't just go take it, even though I deserve it, so I have more subtle means to acquire it. I'm gonna preach the Gospel of Theft Justification, and hopefully get more to agree with me. Then we can turn out in numbers to vote, and get our public servants, I mean public owners, to tax him more. This way it doesn't sound as bad as theft. Furthermore, I became a liberal because Alprova has taught me the Way, Truth, and the Life, by reading his divinely inspired posts. Only problem I have is he lies sometimes (but shh, don't tell anyone that either).

July 31, 2013 at 5:42 p.m.
alprova said...

I missed this one earlier...

Facyspacy wrote: "So if I rob a store and get caught, all I have to do is write a check and it's ok?"

Apples and oranges. In most cases where one makes a mistake on their taxes, it is quite often a simple mistake. No criminal charges are ever filed and the matter is settled the minute restitution is made.

Robbing a store is an intentional, criminal act.

Perhaps you have another, more logical comparison that you could make...or perhaps not.

Tim Geitner is who he is and you are...who knows who or what you are, because the alter egos are flowing in and out of here like water.

July 31, 2013 at 5:51 p.m.
workinjay said...

Plain Truth, Klifnotes has me pegged too. I'm so thankful he enlightened us on who we are. Oh crap, I shouldn't have just said that. Alprova will start saying we are the same people, or accuse you of feeding me national security info. I better go and hide now. Bye.

Klifnotes, Are you telling Alprova to ignore himself? You're accusing me of having an alter ego? I wouldn't be on here if Alprova didn't lie. Alprova is the one that has altered who he is. I'm to be pitied because he lied and I called him out on it? When has true decency and grace been exhibited through lying? This type of thinking is backwards. Do you really believe that way?

By the way, if its not important for me to point out his lies, why was it so important for him to post it?

July 31, 2013 at 5:59 p.m.
workinjay said...

Ok, so I haven't been completely truthful. I'm really not Batman. Alprova is right, I am a troll. I'm a 3 ft tall troll, but I do like to dress up as Batman and pretend. Kinda like pretending to be a CPA. It's just fun. Everyone should try it sometime. Ki could pretend to be Tinkerbell and Klifnotes could be the cowardly lion.

July 31, 2013 at 6:07 p.m.
ldbf said...

Whine, whine, whine - and no solutions. Those chicken wingers just don't care about their fellow Americans having access to healthcare. Don't know why anyone would have thought it was going to be free - that was never on the table. But I'll bet that woman, if she's truly making so little with two jobs, would qualify for some subsidizing. Oh, what, doesn't qualify for what? Medicaid? Yeah, well, some states I know chose to not get extra fed money that could have been applied toward Medicaid. Cry me a river!

July 31, 2013 at 6:11 p.m.
fairmon said...

EaTn said....folks will pass on Obamacare because of all the false rumors and information being supplied by left-wing media and other uninformed posters. Obamacare has a liberal supplement provision for those who cannot afford the premiums.

Wonderful...I do wonder from whence the money used for those liberal settlements comes? The left and right wing media get it wrong since the regulations are at 90,000 pages and growing so how can they know the details? Pelosi was right "we will just have to wait and see what is in it"? We will soon see what is does for or to us? What the eventual cost will be. Do you know what the gain is when as many lose coverage as gain coverage? I have a hard time reconciling how changing who is covered and who is not is a real improvement.

Is a tax on something because you didn't buy it a concern? Is it a fact we can expect to be taxed for not buying an electric car and the money used to supplement those that do? We can thank chief of the SCOTUS John Roberts for that jewel of a new wrinkle on taxes. He was a Bush appointment of a conservative to the court.

I wonder why my health insurance carrier lied to me and told me the recent increase I had was due to AHCA changes already made and those to be made. They even said I could expect more increases over the next several months. Alprova said earlier that any changes had nothing to do with Obama care and he insist he has the best sources of inromation.

July 31, 2013 at 6:14 p.m.
ldbf said...

Chicken wingers will really freak about this!

//Lower Costs For Employees And Montana

The state contracts with a private company to run the facility and pays for everything — wages of the staff, total costs of all the visits. Those are all new expenses, and they all come from the budget for state employee healthcare.

Even so, division manager Russ Hill says it's actually costing the state $1,500,000 less for healthcare than before the clinic opened.

"Because there's no markup, our cost per visit is lower than in a private fee-for-service environment," Hill says.

Physicians are paid by the hour, not by the number of procedures they prescribe like many in the private sector. The state is able to buy supplies at lower prices.

Bottom line: a patient's visit to the employee health clinic costs the state about half what it would cost if that patient went to a private doctor. And because it's free to patients, hundreds of people have come in who had not seen a doctor for at least two years.// http://www.npr.org/2013/07/30/206654000/montanas-state-run-free-clinic-sees-early-success

July 31, 2013 at 6:20 p.m.
fairmon said...

Anthony Wiener and Eric Holder are rumored to be teaming up to run on the democrat ticket....Wiener/Holder has a ring to it. That may be worth a cartoon.

July 31, 2013 at 6:30 p.m.
soakya said...

governments don't create wealth nor do they create jobs. all they can do is become a middle man in a transfer of money from one taxpayer to another and they do this at a higher cost. it'll be the same with Obamacare if it survives.

July 31, 2013 at 6:56 p.m.
SBrauer said...

Al, you're right. You've been around the web far too long.................... Why don't you leave?

July 31, 2013 at 7:33 p.m.
klifnotes said...

soakya said... governments don't create wealth nor do they create jobs. all they can do is become a middle man in a transfer of money from one taxpayer to another and they do this at a higher cost. it'll be the same with Obamacare if it survives. July 31, 2013 at 6:56 p.m.


sssshhhhhsh! quiet, soakya. Don't tell that to the Massah and Missus Romneys who some say made as much as 115 million, and their hedge fund brokers made over 4billion on the Detroit bailout deal by holding Delphi, a subsidiary of GM they purchased that held all the parts for making GM automobiles hostage, and threatening to shut down the plant if GM and the U.S. Treasury dept. didn't hand over about 12 billion. Then they shut down about 28 of the 29 operating plants in America anyway, and moved the operations to China after they got their money. Romney hid the millions from the bellout he got in some offshore account in the missus Romney's name(some estimate he received as much as 115million/while one hedge fund broker got about 4 billion and another 4.2 or 4.3 billion--so much for those rightwing GOPers whose only concerns are for the average taxpayer). Now, the other company, Bain Capitol, Romney is said to still have ties too (although he denies it) has bought up more than half the stock to Britains plasma supply.

See, here's the scheme they're running: They buy up stock from struggling companies for pennies on a dollar with the promise of investing in the workers and creating jobs. Then they wait for the government bailout money, then shut the companies down anyway, even destroying pensions along the way, and take the money and run creating sometimes hundreds of thousands of low wage jobs in foreign countries where the people are held and forced to work under often dangerous, prison like conditions, and often face beatings and other abuses.

July 31, 2013 at 7:40 p.m.
klifnotes said...

JonRoss, you can easily do a search and check out the facts.

July 31, 2013 at 7:51 p.m.
joepulitzer said...

Why did alprova cross the road? Because he's a chicken.

July 31, 2013 at 7:52 p.m.
soakya said...

kliff, Who said he saved Detroit about 3 years ago? I'm glad we agree Obama had no business bailing out Detroit. The only problem I have with what you describe above is the bailout. Surely you are not suggesting Romney is violating any laws. You know if you don't like the business model you describe you can always create an investment group and invest your money in these struggling business's and do as you wish with them.

July 31, 2013 at 7:56 p.m.
jesse said...

Here all this time i thought Alprova was YODA and Klifnotes is actually YODA! That must make Al jabba the hut!

Just got home from a fishin trip and thought i would drop in for some serious and insightful conversation!! Musta hit the wrong button!!

July 31, 2013 at 8:01 p.m.
klifnotes said...

You've missed the point, soakya. The point has nothing to do with saving Detroit. It's about what played a vital role in helping to bring it to bankruptcy. There was nothing wrong with the bailout help, but the abuse an misuse of the bailout (don't forget, under Bush there were also several bailouts for troubling and struggling companies). Never mind. You'd never get it anyway. Forget it. Your vision is too narrow and limited to understand from a world point of view.

July 31, 2013 at 8:03 p.m.
klifnotes said...

jesse said... Here all this time i thought Alprova was YODA and Klifnotes is actually YODA! That must make Al jabba the hut!


Actually, I'm johnrossy in drag. LMAO ;-)

July 31, 2013 at 8:08 p.m.
soakya said...

No, I got it. You were trying to bash the Romney's but you ignored the other part of the equation, the government's role. Romney is not the problem anymore than the individual or business that uses every tax credit or deduction available to them, it would be foolish for them not to take advantage of the tax law just as it would be for the Romney's. The politicians on both sides and the partnership with NGO's are the problem. Most of the people on these boards will blame the other side and give their side a pass.

July 31, 2013 at 8:14 p.m.
klifnotes said...

soakya, I guess I should have known you'd go the defensive when the curtains began to slip away and the truth emerge. You can't handle the fact that the right are the ones screwing people like you, me, most everyone and this country, because they've stood long on a false platform of God, country and patriotism and you fell for it. They knew the right buttons to push to get the gullible all lined up. Taking advantage of available tax credits and deductions is not the same as taking bailout money meant to keep a company operating and keep jobs in place, but instead running with the money and closing down shop. Robbing pension funds from workers who'd worked decades and taking jobs then hogging all the money in some offshore account, hiding billions more and investing in overseas ventures. That's robbery, and has nothing to do with taking advantage of deductions and tax credits. The average joe or jane would be behind bars and serving serious prison time.

July 31, 2013 at 8:28 p.m.
rick1 said...

soakya, notice how the left does not want to talk about how the Obama Administration screwed the non-union Delphi workers out of their pension. General Motors agreed to make up a $4.3 billion pension shortfall for the UAW retirees but not the $2.5 billion shortfall for the salaried workforce.

http://frontpagemag.com/2012/arnold-ahlert/delphi-workers-see-pensions-plundered-under-obama/

http://www.scribd.com/doc/111459124/Delphi-Psaki-GM-Press-Release-Documents

July 31, 2013 at 8:33 p.m.
soakya said...

Defense? I point out your one side blame game and I'm on the defense. Again you deny the governments role, but you do so only because of who occupies the white house. As I said before form your own investment group and buy these struggling companies. If its robbery why are they not in jail? if its robbery you need to report it to the authorities.

July 31, 2013 at 8:34 p.m.
soakya said...

your right rick.

July 31, 2013 at 8:39 p.m.
klifnotes said...

rick1, it remains, GM could not operate without Delphi, which Romney and his hedge fund brokers now basically owned.

excerpt from The Nation:

They had complete control of all the steering wheels and steering columns of every car that was being made in America. GM would have been liquidated.

They literally threatened to shut down GM. And so, they—the government simply allowed GM to pay them $12 billion. About half of that was straight from the U.S. Treasury in a takeover of Delphi’s pension fund.

Once they got the money—once they got the money, they eliminated 28 of 29 auto plants in the U.S. They moved—they eliminated every single job of every UAWmember; 25,200 UAW members all lost their jobs. Almost every plant was then moved by the Romney group to China. Delphi is making a fortune today. So you have 25,000 workers who lost their jobs to China. Three hedge fund managers made at least $4 billion, $4.2 billion. And the Romneys have made at least 15, but the evidence suggests that it’s more like $115 million for the Romneys, about a 4,000 percent profit. "

Pensions don't only rely on past workers and companies investments, but on present workers investing too. Without a present workforce operating, pensions funds would crash. Wiping out retirement pension funds. That's what happened to retires and their pensions locally with a few companies.

July 31, 2013 at 8:40 p.m.
klifnotes said...

soakya said... Again you deny the governments role, but you do so only because of who occupies the white house


I'm not denying the government's role. The government had good intentions that were misused and abused. It's no different if you trusted someone with an important task and instead they used what you gave them for personal and selfish gain instead.

It has nothing to do with who occupies the White House. I said the same thing when Bush helped using government funds to bailout banks. The banks took generous, sincere offers and used them instead to pay out big bonuses and lavish themselves with all kinds of expensive goodies for one another instead of putting the money to good use that would have helped to stabilize the country and the economy.

well, g'night everybody. opposing views, but some pretty good points. ;)

July 31, 2013 at 8:42 p.m.
rick1 said...

Delphi union workers kept their pension and salaried workers lost theirs. The government has no business bailing out any company both Bush and Obama were wrong. In this case we were told GM was to big to fail. Who decides what is to big to fail?

July 31, 2013 at 9:09 p.m.
soakya said...

klif,When Romney and the rest of the thieves pulled off their robbery and dismantling the companies what code do you think they used.

I guess according to your logic no business can fail because past workers pensions are dependent on future workers. Interesting.

Funny in your first post about this I didn't hear you blaming anybody but the Romney's.

The government was misused and abused. Are you serious?

July 31, 2013 at 9:17 p.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "Wonderful...I do wonder from whence the money used for those liberal settlements comes?"

If you knew anything about the plan, you would not ask such a question. Where do you think the money comes from NOW to pay hospitals and providers for medical care for the indigent who exist today?

The Government is handing the nation's health insurers a new, big block of business, and they will be burdened with the responsibility of providing more bang for the bucks they will be receiving. In addition to that, medical providers are going to be subjected by the insurers, that will surely be tightening their belts, to justify their charges, as well.

The day of the $100 aspirin are numbered.

"The left and right wing media get it wrong since the regulations are at 90,000 pages and growing so how can they know the details?"

Another falsehood.

"Is a tax on something because you didn't buy it a concern? Is it a fact we can expect to be taxed for not buying an electric car and the money used to supplement those that do? We can thank chief of the SCOTUS John Roberts for that jewel of a new wrinkle on taxes. He was a Bush appointment of a conservative to the court.:

Where did you get that gem from? I know of no tax paid by any consumer for NOT buying an electric car. In fact, several states are moving to impose a yearly road user tax on those with electric cars, as a means by which to make up losses for not buying gasoline, which is taxed to pay for roads.

"I wonder why my health insurance carrier lied to me and told me the recent increase I had was due to AHCA changes already made and those to be made. They even said I could expect more increases over the next several months."

I suppose there are chicken wing flappers who work for insurance companies as well. What level with the insurance company was the person who told you that?

Do you pay 100% of the premiums for your policy?

"Alprova said earlier that any changes had nothing to do with Obama care and he insist he has the best sources of inromation."

Sir, if you are dissatisfied with your current insurer, come October, you will have choices like you have never had before. The only policies being offered currently that are a part of ObamaCare are those like I have, for those with pre-existing conditions, after being turned down by insurers in the past.

I've had my policy for almost two years without one increase. I've been hospitalized only once, thank goodness, since it has been in effect. I pay for all my medical expenses outside of hospitalization, hence my premiums are quite low.

July 31, 2013 at 9:21 p.m.
alprova said...

SBrauer wrote: "Al, you're right. You've been around the web far too long.................... Why don't you leave?"

For three reasons;

1.) Because I don't want to;

2.) Because I pay to have the privilege to participate in this forum, and;

3.) Because I have as much right to be here as anyone else.

July 31, 2013 at 9:29 p.m.
alprova said...

rick1 wrote: "The government has no business bailing out any company both Bush and Obama were wrong. In this case we were told GM was to big to fail. Who decides what is to big to fail?"

Haven't we been through that one extensively?

AT THE TIME, there were 1.5 million jobs on the line, when this nation was bleeding jobs across the nation at a rate nearly half that figure, PER MONTH.

The costs to the Government for unemployment of 1.5 million people would have eclipsed what has been spent to save two of the big three, by three times now, had they been allowed to fail.

The only interest at the time in GM was to buy it in bankruptcy with the sole purpose of liquidating all assets. No one, including Bain Capital, was interested in saving GM.

Which is more expensive to the taxpayers, an approximate $14 billion spent to save GM if its shares were sold today, or a minimum of $105.3 billion in unemployment compensation?

GM was indeed too big to allow it to fail.

July 31, 2013 at 9:51 p.m.
facyspacy said...

Alp sputtered.... "Apples and oranges. In most cases where one makes a mistake on their taxes, it is quite often a simple mistake. No criminal charges are ever filed and the matter is settled the minute restitution is made.

Is that blue collar vs white collar? Point was he knew what he was doing.... He tried to cheat, lie, and steal... Got caught, write a check,,,,,,, doesn't make it "ok"

July 31, 2013 at 9:55 p.m.
rick1 said...

Jay Carney was asked which scandals in particular that Obama thought were phony. He replied "The IRS targeting conservative groups and Benghazi."

Four Americans being murdered is not phony. I'm sure family members of the victims appreciate hearing the President thinks the deaths of their loved ones are phony.

July 31, 2013 at 10:18 p.m.
facyspacy said...

Klifnotes posted,"Who's already paying the difference, facy, when the uninsured and underinsured needs medical attention? Both those liberals, conservatives and all other insured grinding out the rent in Rossville and all across the nation. That's one of the major reasons insurance premiums are already off the charts, because hospitals and clinics must charge more to make up for the loss. And if steps aren't taken, medical cost will explode like a supernova spilling its guts all over the place. The next option, I'm sure you'll suggest, is to let all the uninsured die a slow and painful, disease ridden death. But then you might end up with some incurable contagious illness from their not getting medical treatment when you go in to dine at some fancy restaurant, fast food, lowly paid daycare worker, aide in some nursing home or having eaten some crop a sick migrant worker had to pick, so you can still get tomatoes at less than 2 bucks a lb at your local grocer. See, we all really are in this together. And what affects one of once, circles around to affect all of us in some way."

That was the point nimrod..... I never said we are in a good situation. Obamacare is not the answer. I wish everybody had billions if dollars and never had to work. A liberal's dream. But the world needs ditch diggers too.... Hum, klifnotes, peculiar name. Go to Baylor high?

July 31, 2013 at 10:20 p.m.
Maximus said...

The TFP must like my input I don't pay a dime to spread the truth and freedom of self reliance. People you don't need no relief you don't need no Obama. Go to work and take pride in what you do. You will set a good example and take joy in your freedom. Go to hell Obama and take your welfare and investments with you!

July 31, 2013 at 10:32 p.m.
rick1 said...

Welfare, public schools, and social security are failing, so lets get government into fully involved in the healthcare industry. What could possibly go wrong?

Why is it so many people think our government can fix the problems that they caused in the first place? Would anyone of you call an arsonist to put out the fire they started? Then why do we call on the government?

July 31, 2013 at 10:36 p.m.
joepulitzer said...

Good night, rick1. Good night,klifnotes. Good night,jesse. Good night,Maximus. Good night,Plain Truth. Good night, Chicken.

July 31, 2013 at 10:38 p.m.
alprova said...

Facyspacy wrote: "Is that blue collar vs white collar? Point was he knew what he was doing.... He tried to cheat, lie, and steal... Got caught, write a check,,,,,,, doesn't make it "ok"..."

You are in no position to even begin to know that his failure to pay the appropriate taxes was intentional.

In his testimony during his confirmation hearings, the Senate Finance Committee, Geithner stated that the tax issues were a case of "carelessness," "avoidable," and "unintentional" errors.

He testified that he used software to prepare his returns, that the tax preparing software did not account for his unique tax circumstance, but took full responsibility for the tax errors.

He paid as soon as the errors were discovered. No harm, no foul, just as it is with anyone else found to owe taxes during an audit.

On January 26, 2009, the U.S. Senate confirmed Geithner's appointment by a vote of 60–34. Apparently, the majority did not believe that his failure to pay taxes was intentional.

July 31, 2013 at 10:49 p.m.
fairmon said...

alprova ask...

Do you pay 100% of the premiums for your policy?

Yes I do.

"The left and right wing media get it wrong since the regulations are at 90,000 pages and growing so how can they know the details?"

to which alprova responded....Another falsehood.

No sir it is not a falsehood....regulations are still being developed. For example....On June 14, 2013, HHS released a Notice of Proposed Rulemaking - Opens in a new window (NPRM) that proposes a number of policies related to the implementation of the Affordable Care Act. Public comments are invited on the Program Implementation: Exchanges, SHOP, Risk Adjustment, Reinsurance, and Market Rules using the process set forth in the NPRM.

Hurry if you think the comments will have any impact on the rules before they keep rolling out.

July 31, 2013 at 10:54 p.m.
alprova said...

rick1 wrote: "Four Americans being murdered is not phony."

The Republican led assertions that nothing was done to prevent it before, during, and after, is quite phony.

But...I hope they keep hammering those hammers. No nails will ever be driven home and the electorate will understand that a great deal of money and time will have been wasted by Representatives that should have been doing far more important things.

July 31, 2013 at 10:55 p.m.
soakya said...

apparently the majority including the majority of the democratic senate felt Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destructions, so we can quit blaming that war on Bush. I'm glad that's settled.

I know, I know they were lied to.

July 31, 2013 at 11:01 p.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said... Fairmon wrote: "Wonderful...I do wonder from whence the money used for those liberal settlements comes?"

If you knew anything about the plan, you would not ask such a question. Where do you think the money comes from NOW to pay hospitals and providers for medical care for the indigent who exist today?

From the same sources including borrowed government money with the actual cost being higher. It is shaping up like The number of uninsured is not likely to change as much as anticipated just who doesn't have healthcare. The AHCA is another Washington boondoggle full of unintended consequences that is more complex and costly than necessary while coming up woefully short of the objective.

July 31, 2013 at 11:05 p.m.
alprova said...

Firmon wrote: "No sir it is not a falsehood....regulations are still being developed. For example....On June 14, 2013, HHS released a Notice of Proposed Rulemaking - Opens in a new window (NPRM) that proposes a number of policies related to the implementation of the Affordable Care Act. Public comments are invited on the Program Implementation: Exchanges, SHOP, Risk Adjustment, Reinsurance, and Market Rules using the process set forth in the NPRM."

I really hate to go back and forth over this, but there is nowhere near 90,000 pages of regulations associated with the AHCA. At most, the count stands somewhere around 20,000.

And given the fact that it is this nation's first attempt to reform how health care is meted out for the entire nation of 316 million people, 20,000 pages seems quite appropriate.

The bill that was signed into law still stands at around 2,081 pages. The Federal and State regulations that my very simple business must abide by has been digested onto a thumb drive that I access when needed, and it has nearly 3,000 pages on it.

"Hurry if you think the comments will have any impact on the rules before they keep rolling out."

I offered my comments three years ago. I have my ObamaCare policy. Thanks for your concern, but I'm all set for the moment. Come October, I might make a change, if one is available.

July 31, 2013 at 11:12 p.m.
facyspacy said...

Alp wrote.,"You are in no position to even begin to know that his failure to pay the appropriate taxes was intentional.

In his testimony during his confirmation hearings, the Senate Finance Committee, Geithner stated that the tax issues were a case of "carelessness," "avoidable," and "unintentional" errors."

So are you in no position to say Zimmerman pulling the trigger was intentional and racial? Good point sir. I think you revealed a good point

July 31, 2013 at 11:15 p.m.
facyspacy said...

But there was a case, he was ruled innocent, so I should respect the ruling and move on.... Or should I object, picket in the streets, and say it is financial profiling and demand justice for facyspacy!

July 31, 2013 at 11:20 p.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "From the same sources including borrowed government money with the actual cost being higher."

Huh?

"It is shaping up like The number of uninsured is not likely to change as much as anticipated just who doesn't have healthcare."

If they don't get off their asses and sign up for a policy, I'm sure that will be quite true. However, in four years, when the fines for refusal to sign up for a policy maximize, and they are assessed taxes rather than to receive a refund, I'm sure that many will rethink that position.

I don't understand all this resistance to a tenet of self-responsibility that the Republican Party once themselves proposed as part of their platform.

The lack of consistency is amazing. Some of you whine about this nation's debt. You whine about those who do not pay any taxes. You whine about the indigent and the poor.

The Democrats have unified behind a plan that makes everyone responsible for at least a moderate portion of the cost for their own health care, and all I read is how bad that is for this nation.

No one has touted ObamaCare as an overnight solution to the health care crisis that this nation is experiencing at the moment. It is a good start and it will be tweaked for years to come.

The point being, that for the first time in decades, something is being done. Insurance companies are going to be held accountable. Medical providers will be held accountable. And yes, all Americans will be held responsible as well for their own health care.

"The AHCA is another Washington boondoggle full of unintended consequences that is more complex and costly than necessary while coming up woefully short of the objective."

Harp...why not wait until October to make that determination? There are still way to many unknowns at the moment, and when the plans and the premiums are rolled out for policies that will go into effect on January 1, 2014, there are going to be a lot of people with egg all over their faces.

How long have people been waiting for a chance to pick out the insurance coverage that they NEED for a price they will be able to afford?

That is the promise. If it is not delivered, I'll join everyone in this forum in opposition to the President and his political party as well.

July 31, 2013 at 11:34 p.m.
facyspacy said...

Alp, if you had a son, would it look like Geithner?

July 31, 2013 at 11:34 p.m.
alprova said...

Facyspacy wrote: "So are you in no position to say Zimmerman pulling the trigger was intentional and racial?"

I challenge you to post one word from myself, stating that George Zimmerman's actions that night were racial. I have many times stated quite the opposite.

How can anyone deny that the shooting itself was not intentional?

The trigger did not pull itself.

By the way, it seems that George Zimmerman has been found in Dallas, Texas and he has rearmed himself. He was stopped for speeding and revealed to the officer that he had a loaded gun in his glove compartment.

He received a warning and was released. He's doing a fine job of fading into the sunset. I guess he's on a national quest to find another family to save from a "burning, overturned car."

July 31, 2013 at 11:42 p.m.
alprova said...

Facyspacy wrote: "But there was a case, he was ruled innocent, so I should respect the ruling and move on.... Or should I object, picket in the streets, and say it is financial profiling and demand justice for facyspacy!"

You're entitled to do whatever you wish, so long as you do not infringe on the rights of anyone else, but you will never be entitled to your own facts, if there is a reasonable doubt about them.

Tim Geithner served as the 75th United States Secretary of the Treasury. He has accomplished much during his life that led him to be where he is.

Who are you to offer any condemnation of the man, and what do you hope to accomplish by doing so?

July 31, 2013 at 11:51 p.m.
Maximus said...

Why don't we audit the Rev. Billy Graham again? After all he has done such harm to the radical secular humanist class warfare welfare state that defines Obama and his wacky Anthony Weiner Democrat party of today.

God bless Billy Graham. God bless American exceptionalism where YOU can build your own success. Get a job! Have faith and pride in yourself and tell Obama to go have intercourse with himself. You will be a much better person for it. As for Geitner, what a little prick. Just like Former director of the DHS, Janet Napolitano, go back to the dream land academic hole that you came from doing meaningless work for a big state guvment check! Change is a coming and he is a Texas Ranger named Rick Perry! Ever wonder why Teexas with all the Mexican Americans elect conservative Republicans? God, guns, jobs, and money in YOUR bank account earned by the sweat of your brow! That is America my friends and America is coming back come the Mid Terms. Obama, no one is listening any more except your loser base dependent on a decrepit, deceitful plan that does not work!

July 31, 2013 at 11:54 p.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "Alp, if you had a son, would it look like Geithner?"

I did have a son. He was killed 36 years ago this month in fact, in a car crash, along with my first wife. Given his baby pictures, I'm sure he would have turned out to look very much like I do.

You apparently were not aware of that, or you might have refrained from typing something that I don't find the least bit funny.

August 1, 2013 at midnight
Maximus said...

By the way Alprova,,, Geitner is back in the evil money grubbing world of private equity. Heath IRS, a heads up, audit little Jeffery and while you are at it check out Alprova! Oh I forgot No phony scandals......:)

August 1, 2013 at 12:01 a.m.
alprova said...

Maximyth, you are the last person who has a reason to rag on me. You have offered all the proof necessary to debunk your typewritten claims in this forum;

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2013/jun/20/evidence-room-cartoon-clay-bennett-times/?opinioncartoons#c234519

August 1, 2013 at 12:09 a.m.
Maximus said...

Alprova....car crash story...typical liberal emotionalism. Keep your tragic victim laced personal life to yourself. You will get no pity from me. Get over yourself and get a damn job! Quit your whining you are embarrassing!

August 1, 2013 at 12:09 a.m.
Maximus said...

Alprova your record of backing Obama's talking points speaks volumes. A loser is as a loser does.

August 1, 2013 at 12:12 a.m.
alprova said...

Maximyth wrote: "Alprova....car crash story...typical liberal emotionalism."

&$%@ you and the stupidity you express on an almost daily basis.

"Keep your tragic victim laced personal life to yourself."

You type what you want and I'll do the same.

"You will get no pity from me."

I don't want an ounce of pity from anyone. As for whatever pity you have for anyone, you will one day stand in front of God. Will he have pity on your soul?

"Get over yourself and get a damn job!"

Thank you for your concern, but I have that all under control.

"Quit your whining you are embarrassing!"

You should take your own advice once in awhile.

August 1, 2013 at 12:19 a.m.
Maximus said...

How about Monica Lewinskys Bill Clinton sex tape? Have y'all heard it? Poor Hillary just another Tammy Wynette bimbo standing by her man. Democrat women, very much like a 1950's compliant wife. Right Mrs. Uma Weiner? And they thought Gov. Sarah Palin was a bimbo. Ha!

August 1, 2013 at 12:19 a.m.
alprova said...

Maximyth wrote: "Alprova your record of backing Obama's talking points speaks volumes. A loser is as a loser does."

I wonder, do you have a mirror that you look into every time you type?

Let's meet in person. Let's compare out accomplishments. Let's see who the loser really is.

August 1, 2013 at 12:22 a.m.
Maximus said...

Wow I'm still stoked from Barry's high impact TelePrompTer speech at Amazon. NOT! Again Barry no one is listening.

Thank God college football is right around the corner. Go Dores! Good night weak liberal pity party welfare fatty losers. Get a job and you will earn a life. Pride people, PRIDE.

August 1, 2013 at 12:26 a.m.
alprova said...

Maximyth wrote: "How about Monica Lewinskys Bill Clinton sex tape? Have y'all heard it?"

It sure is funny that you brought that up. It absolutely destroys any myth that Bill Clinton seduced an innocent 21 year old White House intern, that's for sure.

Transcript;

http://www.heavy.com/entertainment/2013/07/monica-lewinsky-secret-sex-tape-leaked-bill-clinton-hillary/

"Poor Hillary just another Tammy Wynette bimbo standing by her man."

The weird thing in all this, is that you for some reason, believe anyone cares and that it will in any manner affect her political chances.

Most people will find that Hillary's forgiveness of her husband is a plus, rather than a minus.

The Republicans and their sympathizers are clearly getting desperate. I pity the politician that makes so much as a reference to her decision to stay will her husband.

The backfire will be as loud as a potato being expelled from a tailpipe.

"Democrat women, very much like a 1950's compliant wife."

That could work in her favor. This country was humming along quite nicely during the 1950's. A house, two cars, and a garage for most Americans, with the man providing enough financial resources to sustain it all.

We need a return to the 1950's and a return to a Democrat dominated Congress.

"And they thought Gov. Sarah Palin was a bimbo."

No one is worried about Sarah Palin anymore. She's merely a former Vice-Presidential candidate with a mouth full of vindictive words that no one with a brain gives the time of day.

August 1, 2013 at 12:39 a.m.
alprova said...

George Zimmerman must be a bit pissed at the moment, if he is aware of the publicity that his stop by a cop who didn't even know him, is receiving.

*"The police officer asked where Zimmerman was heading. Zimmerman replied, “nowhere in particular.” “Nowhere in particular, why is that?” responded the officer. “You didn’t see my name?” said Zimmerman. The officer then responded, “wow, what a coincidence.”

His truck, a not very average 2008 Honda, with Florida plates, has been identified by the Mail Online. Not quite a needle in a haystack.

Poor Georgie....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2382127/The-moment-George-Zimmerman-pulled-cops-Texas-speeding-Sunday--told-GUN-going-particular.html

August 1, 2013 at 1:23 a.m.
alprova said...

Want to see what is wrong with health care in the United States.

Peruse the bill for costs billed for a 45 minute out-patient procedure to change a defibrillator battery.

http://imgur.com/gVuLS2G

August 1, 2013 at 2:01 a.m.
alprova said...

Mitch McConnell Can’t Answer How GOP Will Insure Americans After Repealing ObamaCare: ‘That Is Not The Issue’

CHRIS WALLACE: I just want to ask, what specifically are you going to do to provide universal coverage to the 30 million people who are uninsured?

MCCONNELL: That is not the issue. The question is, how can you go step by step to improve the American health care system. … We’re not going to turn the American health care system into a Western European system.

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/07/01/509277/mcconnell-obamacare-insure-americans/

The Republicans have no answers. They just want to obstruct.

August 1, 2013 at 2:14 a.m.
alprova said...

Republicans Don’t Want You to Know That Obamacare Is Working

http://www.politicususa.com/2013/02/13/republicans-obamacare-working.html

August 1, 2013 at 2:18 a.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said....

why not wait until October to make that determination? There are still way to many unknowns at the moment, and when the plans and the premiums are rolled out for policies that will go into effect on January 1, 2014, there are going to be a lot of people with egg all over their faces.

I agree. You are right, anything before then is speculation and guessing. I hope it is much better than I anticipate and that I have so far seen heard about.

August 1, 2013 at 5:23 a.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said...

How long have people been waiting for a chance to pick out the insurance coverage that they NEED for a price they will be able to afford? That is the promise. If it is not delivered, I'll join everyone in this forum in opposition to the President and his political party as well.

If what people need, not want, but need is at a reasonable and affordable price without further adding to the cost of those like me that have been paying for their own healthcare for years I will join the supporters.

August 1, 2013 at 5:35 a.m.
fairmon said...

Avoid GM stock, they will be back to the trough in the future if profits are not significantly improved. Their pension fund is under funded by around 111 billion dollars. The full story of the unnecessary bail out has not yet been told. They are building much better and more competitive cars but will people switch back from their favorite import?

August 1, 2013 at 6:03 a.m.
degage said...

Al, Are you still obsessing about Zimmerman?

August 1, 2013 at 6:16 a.m.
alprova said...

I have never been obsessed with George Zimmerman. I hold the opinion that he was less than forthcoming about his actions and intentions the night that he shot Trayvon Martin, and that he got away, for now anyway, with murder.

Trayvon died and he lied.

He'd be safer in prison, given that there are people who ARE obsessed with finding him and meting a proper justice for the life that he took.

August 1, 2013 at 7:06 a.m.
facyspacy said...

Alp said, "I challenge you to post one word from myself, stating that George Zimmerman's actions that night were racial. I have many times stated quite the opposite."

What are you trying to say his intentions were? Since you believe he had ill intentions that night you may have another chance to tell why he should have been charged with murder.

"Republicans Don’t Want You to Know That Obamacare Is Working"

Or maybe it is the left who is trying to make others believe it will work? Some things are still being hammered out. I don't like the "make the rules as you go" theory

-----the "if you had a son he'd look like" comment was a poke at Obama when said trayvon would like his son if he had one. Losing a spouse and a child would be about the most awful thing I could think of. At me time was a trying to mention anything to reopen those scars. But that is the typical leftist. Always discriminated against and always the victim

August 1, 2013 at 7:12 a.m.
joepulitzer said...

facy, give it a rest; you're beating a dead horse (chicken). alkarma believes George Bush shot Kennedy.

August 1, 2013 at 7:34 a.m.
facyspacy said...

Alp said, "I did have a son. He was killed 36 years ago this month in fact, in a car crash, along with my first wife. Given his baby pictures, I'm sure he would have turned out to look very much like I do."

36 years ago? You had a kid and was married at 18 yrs old? You were probably a CPA then too, huh

August 1, 2013 at 7:52 a.m.
alprova said...

Facyspacy wrote: "What are you trying to say his intentions were? Since you believe he had ill intentions that night you may have another chance to tell why he should have been charged with murder."

I'm not interested in discussing George Zimmerman. What happens to him in the future will happen. It's all up to God now.

"Or maybe it is the left who is trying to make others believe it will work? Some things are still being hammered out. I don't like the "make the rules as you go" theory"

Come October, I'd ust about bet my life that there will be nothing left to flap those wings about, Obama's popularity will go sky high overnight, and the money flowing into the Democrat coffers will be like honey from a beehive, making the mid-terms a cinch for the Democrats.

"-----the "if you had a son he'd look like" comment was a poke at Obama when said trayvon would like his son if he had one."

Yes, I'm well aware of what spawned the remark, but people who have been around in here for a few years know that I did indeed have a son at one time in my life.

"Losing a spouse and a child would be about the most awful thing I could think of. At me time was a trying to mention anything to reopen those scars."

Oh...that was you who wrote that. I attributed it to the wrong person. Sorry PT.

No harm, no foul. I'm well aware that there are those who aren't aware of it. It has been awhile since I've made any mention of it.

"But that is the typical leftist. Always discriminated against and always the victim"

I see. No need for you to be an ass or anything about it. Most people would have left those last two sentences off, if they had an ounce of contrition after being notified that they made a careless comment.

I remember posting a joke in here a few years back about a swimming pool and a person with Parkinson's disease. Turns out that one of the regulars in here at the time had a younger brother who had Parkinson's, who drowned in a swimming pool.

I felt about an inch tall. I humbly apologized and have chosen what I post carefully since that day. You never know.

I'm not a victim, nor do I seek any sympathy from anyone for the loss. I'm sure that many people in here have lost loved ones throughout the course of their lives.

But I'm here to tell you, that losing a child cuts you to the bone, and it still hurts 36 years after the fact. It makes no matter whether the parent is a liberal or a conservative.

Thank you very much for taking the time to twist the knife a little more, as an upstanding and compassionate conservative, after being notified that your accidental and unintentional insertion was causing a little discomfort.

What an asswipe.

August 1, 2013 at 8:05 a.m.
alprova said...

"36 years ago? You had a kid and was married at 18 yrs old? You were probably a CPA then too, huh"

I first married when I was 17.

And given the tone of this post, which I have no interest in exploring, I don't think I will be discussing anything with you in the future either.

Life is far too short to spend it engaging with name changing, trolling assh*les.

August 1, 2013 at 8:16 a.m.
facyspacy said...

I visit it in here to engage in political discussions. You are the one that made it personal. Paraphrasing and pulling sections of comment out to push your own agenda by pulling attention away from points and facts and diverting down a liberal path. And there are conservatives on here that do it too.

You think that telling people you are a business owner, a CPA, a widower, and a liberal will make them think that your posts are more important and truthful. Remember, we all have opinions. But someone trying to make someone else feel less of a person for making a point about an incompetent big mouth president by saying their wife and child had died when it has nothing to do with the topic is... well...., it is diversion from the point. Obama said if he had a son....etc etc. you were taking up for the chief. End of story no one needs to know something that happened 36 yrs ago in your life. I feel like I'm watching the View when I respond to you. And name calling? Come on guy.... I'll send you a box of tissues

August 1, 2013 at 8:50 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Alpo is not a well man. On many levels.

August 1, 2013 at 9:33 a.m.
alprova said...

Someone has perfected the art of becoming truly pathetic. They are so anti-social, that their entire life consists of sitting behind a computer screen and finding ways to confront others continuously.

Someone must have had a very traumatic childhood.

Every time that certain someone isn't receiving enough attention to their vitriolic, confrontational posts, they make the change to a new or to a previously set up and rarely used user name.

I should have known who you were.

I have no intention of dehumanizing myself to satisfy the whims and desires of a forum troll who is only in here to stir up crap all the time.

It is truly unbelievable how low some people will sink to find a way to @$&* with people because they can't cope with their own issues in life.

I am who I am and no amount of personalized attacks will dissuade my resolve to keep things real, factual, and most of all, human.

August 1, 2013 at 9:33 a.m.
whatsthefuss said...

ALPO,

Please give us the details for a single person who earns $12.00 per hour working 40 hour a week. A very common situation in America today. How much will this individual pay for their healthcare premium and what will their deductible be for the year? I think this will be a very fair assessment of what Americans can expect that are employed and without health insurance.

Thanks!

August 1, 2013 at 9:37 a.m.
facyspacy said...

Alp said, "Someone has perfected the art of becoming truly pathetic. They are so anti-social, that their entire life consists of sitting behind a computer screen and finding ways to confront others continuously."

He really said that if anybody missed it.

And you are exactly right, I have two screen names. My other one is Chet

August 1, 2013 at 9:44 a.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "Alpo is not a well man. On many levels."

Outside of a few health related issues, which are under control thanks to a couple of Doctors I am seeing, I am quite well, thank you very much.

You're a sh!t pot stirrer too. You can't help yourself. There isn't a day that goes by that you do not make a snarky comment about someone.

You hardly ever offer an opinion about the topic of the day.

You're only happy when you are engaged in an argument with someone.

It's about time to put you on the ignore list too. When you find yourself totally ignored, I'm sure you will morph into someone else, like all the other forum trolls. You've done it at least twice already.

August 1, 2013 at 9:45 a.m.
alprova said...

Whatsthefuss wrote: "ALPO, Please give us the details for a single person who earns $12.00 per hour working 40 hour a week. A very common situation in America today. How much will this individual pay for their healthcare premium and what will their deductible be for the year? I think this will be a very fair assessment of what Americans can expect that are employed and without health insurance."

The plans and the gross premium amounts have not been rolled out yet. When the pooled plans are revealed, the details of the tax credits applied to the premium for the policy selected are calculated by inputting the number of people in the household, and by answering some person tax related questions.

We're all waiting until October to see what the exact costs are going to be.

August 1, 2013 at 9:54 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Rev ALpo says "You're a sh!t pot stirrer too" That's rich coming from the lead contrarian on this forum

August 1, 2013 at 9:57 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Russia to allow Snowden to enter. This is what a failed foreign policy looks like, folks.

August 1, 2013 at 10:25 a.m.
facyspacy said...

Whatthefuss asked a question... Here is an informed answer. The person you mentioned would make around 24 k per year and would be responsible to pay $1587 for health insurance. That's roughly $132 per month or 7.5% of income. The addition costs of the healthcare would be absorbed by the insurance company.

If on Oct. 2 they announce it’s going to take another five days to get it running, I’m sure the Republicans will say the sky is falling and dems will say their own excuse… but frankly it won’t make any difference.

And here is my opinion (alp, my opinion).... Obamacare would be awesome if it provides affordable healthcare to everyone. It will fail bc the plan presented can not and will not ever work. It's like reading 2+2=3

August 1, 2013 at 10:26 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Facy: Only one opinion matters here. That would be you know who

August 1, 2013 at 11:19 a.m.
scrimshaw said...

Conservatives are just hellbent on trying to keep poor people from getting decent health coverage. The right-wing intelligentsia can claim otherwise, but the plain truth is that no one in the actual governing wing of the Republican Party wants to replace Obamacare with anything else. They just want to repeal it, full stop. For some reason, the mere idea of poor and working-class people getting medical care with taxpayer help drives them into conniptions.Kevin Drum

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/07/31/conservatives-move-to-trying-to-trick-lower-income-people-out-of-health-care/

August 1, 2013 at 11:57 a.m.
conservative said...

scrimshaw,

Just opened up the site and since your comment was last it caught my eye.

Medicaid is how poor people get health care in America.

Please look up "Medicaid" in any search engine.

August 1, 2013 at 12:05 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

scrimmy said "Conservatives are just hellbent on trying to keep poor people from getting decent health coverage." what would be the motivation for that, scrim my?

August 1, 2013 at 12:23 p.m.
tifosi said...

President Obama's socialist/marxist agenda is a complete failure!

The S&P just went over 1700, jobless claims are the lowest in six years and the economy is coming to life. OH THE HORROR OF IT ALL!

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/jobless-claims-plunge-lowest-six-years-6C10817475

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/nasdaq-sp-500-climb-1-higher-positive-economic-data-6C10817476

August 1, 2013 at 12:44 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

^^^^ Because we have no cohesive foreign policy.

August 1, 2013 at 1:02 p.m.
tifosi said...

THE SKY IS FALLING!

August 1, 2013 at 1:08 p.m.
LaughingBoy said...

Johnson is out and Bennett remains on here.

August 1, 2013 at 1:09 p.m.
soakya said...

Just got off the phone with the TN State Board of Accountancy and they verified a CPA license is issued in the person's name not the firm. Here's the number 615-741-2550. Give them a call.

August 1, 2013 at 1:19 p.m.
degage said...

So, Tifosi, you admit Obama is a socialist/Marxist. Your 12:44 post says it all. NBC news link is about as left as you can get.

August 1, 2013 at 1:19 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Tiffy has inhaled too many exhaust fumes.

August 1, 2013 at 1:23 p.m.
LaughingBoy said...

Yes, Johnson has been shown the exit.

August 1, 2013 at 1:34 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

soakya: Thanks. Proves what we knew, huh?

August 1, 2013 at 1:36 p.m.
tifosi said...

Bennett gave all you whiners a pacifier. All you need now is a crying towel.

August 1, 2013 at 1:49 p.m.
LaughingBoy said...

Yes, and you can have Pam Sohn repeat complete falsehoods such as Zimmerman using racial slurs leading up to the shooting.

August 1, 2013 at 1:50 p.m.
facyspacy said...

soakya said, "Just got off the phone with the TN State Board of Accountancy and they verified a CPA license is issued in the person's name not the firm. Here's the number 615-741-2550. Give them a call."

Yes, there is a site you can go to. It shows the cpa's name and when their license issued and if it is current. Every CPA is listed in the state. Didn't see either for ALPROVA.... Even checked GA.

That's ok though. People like to present a façade on the internet of what they wish they were and what they want to be.

In reality I could see alp in the scene from coming to America when eddie murphy is taking a bath. Sub the bathers with alp and sub Eddie with Barry O

August 1, 2013 at 1:51 p.m.
Maximus said...

Alprova believes that Bill Clinton is a man of character and that Benghazi Flagged Draped Coffins puffy Liar Hillary has a chance of being our next POTUS. Alprova, typical, trashy, mindless, helpless, victimized, weak, liberal Marxist redistribution drone. So very sad.

Very best way to be successful in America where half of the population has bought into Barry The Welfare Pimps message that "he" and government must be the center of your life..............beat the sun to work every day!

August 1, 2013 at 1:56 p.m.
Maximus said...

Regarding the honorable Gov. Sarah Palin. Alprova, did any of your realatives or children either dead or alive ever achieve high political office especially governor of a state. I think that would be a NO. You are showing your blind ignorance by trashing an accomplished person like Gov. Sarah Palin. I bet she has never bounced checks either.

OK gotta go back to stacking Benjamin's! Wow, what a fantastic day!

August 1, 2013 at 2:05 p.m.
workinjay said...

Soakya, Thanks for verifying that. What lie will he add now? Ill bet he will say something like the spelling of his name is incorrect.

August 1, 2013 at 2:35 p.m.
caddy said...

I think this is what happens to liberal progressives like Clay Bennett:

"Habitual dishonesty (most notable political correctness) is a form of learning; and learning strengthens some brain pathways and brain connections; while allowing other pathways and connections to wither and (perhaps eventually) perish. … After years and years of conditioning in dishonesty, the typical modern intellectual (whether journalist, scientist, lawyer, teacher, doctor or whatever) becomes physically unable to think straight." —Bruce Charlton

August 1, 2013 at 2:44 p.m.
workinjay said...

Facyspacy said "You think that telling people you are a business owner, a CPA, a widower, and a liberal will make them think that your posts are more important and truthful."

That's exactly the point I wanted to make. He has an elitist mentality. He thinks titles add to his credibility. For people like him, those titles only give them more opportunities to be corrupt. He doesn't realize that being honest makes someone credible.

August 1, 2013 at 2:52 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

JonRoss wrote: "Yesterday Barry said the pipeline would create only 50 jobs, but all other sources say around 22,000."

Those 22,00 jobs will only be temporary. When the pipeline is finished, the only permanent jobs that will result, for those who will maintain it will number between 50-100.

Obama sure doesn’t want to create a nation of part time and temporary workers .... Wait! ... What? ... You say they already have ... Who-da thunk it.

In the meantime, Canada is currently dealing with several pipelines that have burst, spilling untold amounts of crude oil in Ontario and Alberta.

Oh the Horror! All 755 barrels! ... How will that ever be dealt with

Oil spilled from a pipeline near northwest Alberta province in Canada made its way into regional waters but was contained, pipeline company Enbridge said.

Enbridge said about 750 barrels of oil spilled from its so-called Line 37 pipeline. The company said oil spilled into a small creak and unnamed lake about 44 miles southwest of Fort McMurray.

"No injuries or evacuations have occurred," the company said in a statement Sunday. "No potable water wells are affected by the release. No air-quality issues have been identified."

http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Energy-Resources/2013/06/24/Oil-spill-reported-in-north-Alberta/UPI-19141372074930/#ixzz2akIXUVZp

Crude oil has spilled between the Imperial Oil Terminal and the Marcus Oil Terminal in Sarnia, Ontario in Canada.

The incident was reported at around 8.30am on 11 June, with the National Energy Board (NEB) stating the release is thought to be located along a right-of-way containing pipelines belonging to Plains Midstream Canada, Imperial Oil and Enbridge Pipelines.

The size of the spill has not yet been determined but reports say around five barrels of oil were discovered. All pipelines have been shutdown to prevent any more oil from leaking.

http://www.tankstoragemag.com/industry_news.php?item_id=6364#sthash.loUKV0qS.dpuf

August 1, 2013 at 3:18 p.m.
alprova said...

Whatever anyone wants to believe about me is fine and dandy. My life will not be affected for one second due to your beliefs.

Pathetic does not begin to describe the lot of you who are determined to discredit me on a personal level. What a shame you can't do the research necessary to determine facts about the issues.

I'm finding all this idiotic attention to how I make a living to be nothing short of hilarious!!!

You're acting like a pack of hyenas.

August 1, 2013 at 3:24 p.m.
soakya said...

The only person who discredited someone was the person who was discredited..

August 1, 2013 at 3:27 p.m.
workinjay said...

Alprova, If it isn't important then why did you feel the need to make it up?

August 1, 2013 at 3:34 p.m.
tifosi said...

Maximus has to get back to sucking the socialist VW teet.

August 1, 2013 at 3:49 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Opinion writer fired for opinion. Naw, TFP ain't biased.

August 1, 2013 at 4:06 p.m.
jesse said...

Where did the info that Johnson is gone come from?

sounds fishy to me!

August 1, 2013 at 4:28 p.m.
GratefulDawg said...

Jesse, several outlets are running the story that Drew Johnson was fired by the TFP. The stated reason for his dismissal is the "take your jobs plan and shove it" article he wrote. WRCB and the Chattanoogan online have the story posted and Drew Johnson was quoted via twitter that he is the first person in history to be fired for writing the papers most widely read story.

I won't claim to know the details of Johnson's firing, but the story is becoming more widely circulated by the minute.

August 1, 2013 at 4:39 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

tifosi said...

President Obama's socialist/marxist agenda is a complete failure!

The S&P just went over 1700, jobless claims are the lowest in six years and the economy is coming to life. OH THE HORROR OF IT ALL!

Feed and compromise the investor class and they will give us” the rope with which we will hang them”... “I don’t care what becomes of Russia (USA?). To hell with it. All this is only the road to a World Revolution.”

August 1, 2013 at 4:41 p.m.
jesse said...

Sounds over the top to me!

All it was was a play on the title of an old Johnny Paycheck song!

I guess Gerber got all puckered up because she didn't get to approve it!

August 1, 2013 at 4:50 p.m.
klifnotes said...

PlainTruth said... Opinion writer fired for opinion. Naw, TFP ain't biased.

That's not true, PT and you know it. Drew isn't just an opinion writer. He works for and is paid a salary by the FreePress. That means he has to follow rules just like anyone else who works for a company. He broke those rules when he changed the heading of the story from the heading approved by staff, not the contents of the story.

I've personally known the original founder of the Free Press side, Mr. Roy McDonald, when the Free Press and Times were separate papers. He'd have taken Drew behind the woodshed, and he'd be exiting with a sore bottom for showing such disrespect for both the honor and integrity of Mr. McDonald's paper, but also the president regardless of party affiliation or any racial bias he may have harbored. Mr. McDonald was always the type to speak his mind, but he did it with such grace and elegance that no one walked away offended.

August 1, 2013 at 4:54 p.m.
klifnotes said...

GratefulDawg said: *The stated reason for his dismissal is the "take your jobs plan and shove it" article he wrote. *

That's not true, GD. Drew changed the title of the editorial from the one that had been approved.

August 1, 2013 at 5:03 p.m.
klifnotes said...

JohnRoss said: *The radical bastards in control of the TFP can go to hell. *

Then why are you still here posting, if you've condemned the TFP to hell? %?

August 1, 2013 at 5:05 p.m.
GratefulDawg said...

"That's not true, GD. Drew changed the title of the editorial from the one that had been approved." --klifnotes

Fair enough klifnotes. I should have made it more clear that the stated reason pertained to the title of said article and not the contents of the article. I was not editorializing about the dismissal of the editor, just attempting to answer Jesse's question concerning the sources of the news that Johnson had been fired.

Details. Details.

August 1, 2013 at 5:16 p.m.
jesse said...

Hey Dawg!

Ya leave a hair layin around you can be sure they gonna split it for ya!

August 1, 2013 at 5:21 p.m.
tifosi said...

I agree klifnotes. Time for JohnRoss the Traitor to leave.

August 1, 2013 at 5:25 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

It's a leftist rag. I'm guessing he was fired for not walking lock-step with the agenda.

August 1, 2013 at 5:28 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

CNN REPORTS: Exclusive: Dozens of CIA operatives on the ground during Benghazi attack. “CNN has uncovered exclusive new information about what is allegedly happening at the CIA, in the wake of the deadly Benghazi terror attack. Four Americans, including Ambassador Christopher Stevens, were killed in the assault by armed militants last September 11 in eastern Libya. Sources now tell CNN dozens of people working for the CIA were on the ground that night, and that the agency is going to great lengths to make sure whatever it was doing, remains a secret. CNN has learned the CIA is involved in what one source calls an unprecedented attempt to keep the spy agency’s Benghazi secrets from ever leaking out. . . . Since January, some CIA operatives involved in the agency’s missions in Libya, have been subjected to frequent, even monthly polygraph examinations, according to a source with deep inside knowledge of the agency’s workings. The goal of the questioning, according to sources, is to find out if anyone is talking to the media or Congress.”

Notice who they’re trying to keep the secrets from.

the REAL story WILL EVENTUALLY get out.

August 1, 2013 at 5:32 p.m.
tifosi said...

PT has been reading the tabloids at the grocery store again. He missed the article about Sarah Palin's Martian child.

August 1, 2013 at 5:47 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

We shall see, Tiffy. Sounds like another arms deal gone bad and a lot of BIG names have lied about it...Time will tell. Can't wait to see you acolytes eat crow and admit you've been duped. Stand by, comrades.

August 1, 2013 at 5:54 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

BTW, Tiffany, that "newspaper tabloid" was CNN....your place of worship behind MSNBC.

August 1, 2013 at 5:56 p.m.
alprova said...

jesse wrote: "Where did the info that Johnson is gone come from?"

Drew Johnson Twittered the announcement himself.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/01/drew-johnson-fired-chattanooga-obama-headline_n_3691125.html

August 1, 2013 at 6:46 p.m.
facyspacy said...

If I had a son, it would look like a hyena

August 1, 2013 at 6:58 p.m.
tifosi said...

PlainTruth said...BTW, Tiffany, that "newspaper tabloid" was CNN....your place of worship behind MSNBC

So you admit to using this source of information only when it suits your needs/agenda? Typical hypocrite.

August 1, 2013 at 7:33 p.m.
whatsthefuss said...

So a 24 year old making $24,000 a year with a silver level benefit plan will pay $1580 per year for insurance with a $3100 deductible. That equals @ 20% of their gross income if they become ill. Calculating their net pay of $20,000 the % goes up to 23% of their take home pay. This leaves the single 24 year old $15,400 to live on for the year after health care premiums and deductibles. This does not factor in copays for office visits and prescription medication. It also does not cover dental and vision care. Some call if the Affordable Care Act but it will soon prove to be anything but.

The same applies before the act as after. You cannot afford to get sick in the USA!!!

August 1, 2013 at 8:07 p.m.
Maximus said...

Obamacare "resources" an Oxymoron. There is no care and there are no resources unless you mean hospice. They have no idea what they are doing and are depending on the private sector to do the heavy lifting of this moronic government takeover of 1/6 of the economy. Taking the profit out of healthcare will tank the industry and YOUR health will suffer from the nightmare of Obamacare.

It needs to be abolished. Call your politicians. Leave it to Alprova to become the Obamacare guru. Wow, what a freakin loser. I have my own internist that Zi pay a monthly cash fee for family access. We have a high deductible for catastrophic care, etc. I will not participate in Obamacare. It will be Medicaid level at best. Like our educational system the left has created a wider gap between the haves and the have nots. My kids went to private schools and are doing very well working in the private sector. They will also not have to participate in Obamacare. It's all about the money people. Better get to work and make some or you will be standing in line when you have a heart attack! That's it.

August 1, 2013 at 8:18 p.m.
rick1 said...

tifosi posted to PT. "So you admit to using this source of information only when it suits your needs/agenda? Typical hypocrite."

You do realize that on several occasions Al has used Fox News as his source. So nice to hear you are calling Al a hypocrite as well since he and other liberals have referred to Fox News as a right wing news source.

August 1, 2013 at 8:18 p.m.
fairmon said...

You folks picking at alprova.s credentials need to heed the words of Hillary in her Benghazi testimony before congress...."what difference does it make?" Why is it important to know the facts?

August 1, 2013 at 8:23 p.m.
Maximus said...

Tifosi....the contracts I have with VW are very lucrative. The best revenge is to live well. Wonderful afternoon at Honors. Enjoying a nice cigar and single malt while I school you loser victimized liberals.

August 1, 2013 at 8:25 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

When Tiffy has no retort, he gets silly.

August 1, 2013 at 8:26 p.m.
tifosi said...

But Maximus, you live well off of a socialist owned company. I know it isn't lucrative. Our purchasing dept beat the hell out of you. I have seen the pain they inflict and you are no different.

On the other hand, I get a new car every 6 months. A new Audi S4 and when the free Sirius radio service runs out, I can get a VW Touareg. Everything has maintenance and insurance paid for. Almost 20% discounts on Ducati motorcycles. The bonuses are awesome. I can buy a new boat with one. Life is good.

Did I mention the time they brought in a Lamborghini Gallardo for us to play with?

I drink Tennessee whiskey, because I support Tennessee jobs. Not the Scots.

August 1, 2013 at 8:44 p.m.
alprova said...

The Paul / Christie Boxing Match

Senator Rand Paul: "I am opposed to any and all warrantless federal surveillance programs"

Chris Christie: "Any opposition to Federal warrantless surveillance programs harms efforts to prevent terrorism"

Paul: "Governor Christie's position hurts GOP chances in national elections, and that spending priorities of critics like the governor and Representative Peter King of New York do more to harm national security. They're precisely the same people who are unwilling to cut the spending, and their 'Gimme, gimme, gimme — give me all my Sandy money now.' Those are the people who are bankrupting the government and not letting enough money be left over for national defense. Aid should have been appropriated in a responsible way. Chris Christie and others are 'bankrupting' the government."

Christie: "I find it interesting that Senator Paul is accusing us of having a "Gimme, gimme, gimme" attitude toward federal spending when in fact New Jersey is a donor state."

Paul: "This is the king of bacon talking about bacon,"

Christie: "We get 61 cents back on every dollar we send to Washington. Kentucky receives $1.51 back for every dollar that send to Washington. Senator Paul doesn't seem to complain when he is bringing home too much bacon for HIS state. If Senator Paul wants to start looking at where he's going to cut spending to afford defense, maybe he should start cutting the pork barrel spending that he brings home to Kentucky."

Paul: "Kentucky has two military bases. This is why the state may get more money from the government. What does he want to do, shut down military bases in Kentucky?"

Christie: "New Jersey has EIGHT military bases."

Paul: "It's not helping the party for him to pick a war with me. It's a big mistake. It's not very smart. And it's not a good way to grow the party. The Republican Party is "shrinking" in the Northeast. Why would he want to pick a fight with the one guy who has a chance to grow the party by appealing to the youth and appealing to people who would like to see a more moderate and less aggressive foreign policy?"

Christie: "There is a "strain of libertarianism" coursing through both parties as a "very dangerous thought" more than a decade after the 9/11 attacks."

Reporter: "Are you referring to Rand Paul?"

Christie: "You can name any number of people and he's one of them. These esoteric, intellectual debates — I want them to come to New Jersey and sit across from the widows and the orphans and have that conversation. And they won't, because that's a much tougher conversation to have."

(Cont.)

August 1, 2013 at 9:13 p.m.
alprova said...

(Cont.)

Paul: "Chris Christie is on the wrong side of history. I don't think the Bill of Rights is esoteric. I don't think the Fourth Amendment is esoteric. I think the idea that we should have a right to privacy is not esoteric to a lot of people in this country."

Christie: "You know, his response seems that he has something personal against me, but that's okay. He can just get in line on that front. My initial remarks really had nothing to do with Senator Paul, but Senator Paul wanted to make it about Senator Paul."

Reporter: "is this heated back-and-forth a preview of a 2016 primary contest?"

Paul: "Who knows?"

Christie: "I don't understand why Paul is so out of whack about this. At the end of the day, I didn't call him any names, yet he called me names. I just have to assume from that that he's just trying to get attention."

Paul: "I think with Gov. Christie, it's gotten a little too personal, so let's kiss and make-up. We're going to have to patch things up. If we can sit down...I'm inviting him for a beer anytime he would like to come down and sit down at the pub right around the corner from the Senate."

Christie: "I'm running for re-election in New Jersey. I don't really have time for that at the moment. I've got work to do here. If I find myself in Washington, I'll look him up. I didn't use any childish phrases like, 'gimme, gimme, gimme.' He did, and I just have to assume from that that he's trying to get some attention. And that's fine. He's not the first politician to use me to get attention in the national media and I'm sure he won't be the last."

The more Chris Christie speaks, the more I truly like the guy and I could see myself voting for the man if he were to go up against Hillary.

August 1, 2013 at 9:13 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Nix on the TN likker, Tiffany. Will occasionally have a wee tot of The Balvenie.

August 1, 2013 at 9:35 p.m.
facyspacy said...

Whatthefuss said, "So a 24 year old making $24,000 a year with a silver level benefit plan will pay $1580 per year for insurance with a $3100 deductible. That equals @ 20% of their gross income if they become ill. Calculating their net pay of $20,000 the % goes up to 23% of their take home pay. This leaves the single 24 year old $15,400 to live on for the year after health care premiums and deductibles. This does not factor in copays for office visits and prescription medication. It also does not cover dental and vision care. Some call if the Affordable Care Act but it will soon prove to be anything but."

You are correct sir... And don't forget that when that person is paying premiums tax rates will go up for two reasons. Nation debt is too high and healthcare is still too expensive. Tax rates in the upper tier have been as high 90%. If its happened once, who is to say it won't happen again. You and I won't be as hurt as bad because we will see it coming. The poor faces of its supporters will be priceless

August 1, 2013 at 10:03 p.m.
facyspacy said...

Maximus, a great guy left the honors community. The duck will be missed. Great caddy

August 1, 2013 at 10:06 p.m.
Maximus said...

Under Obama home ownership has dropped to an 18 year low according to the U.S. census bureau. And they say that Obama is pro middle class. Not so much. Obama and other elitist liberals detest the middle class. Your only choice to survive. Get your ass a job!

August 1, 2013 at 10:39 p.m.
fairmon said...

alprova..if I had to pick a republican to support, which thank goodness I don't, it would at this point be Christie but he can't win. He is too over weight and doesn't look good on TV which in todays world unfortunately is a major criteria. It is like people that select a doctor because they have good bed side manners, who gives a damn if he/she is skilled and provides quality care.

August 1, 2013 at 11:31 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

^^^ Doesn't seem to bother NJ voters.

August 1, 2013 at 11:35 p.m.
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