published Sunday, June 2nd, 2013

The Toast

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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dude_abides said...

Ha! City water would be too fracking dangerous to drink!

June 2, 2013 at 12:38 a.m.
nucanuck said...

Fracking is just another element in the planetary ecocide that will work toward the inevitable coming population die-off. We clearly don't have the stomach for carbon usage curtailment, we are and will continue to contaminate our land, air, fresh and sea water.

If we can't control our consumption, then the default consequence is to have fewer people, willingly or unwillingly. US consumption levels would indicate that the earth can support about 1.5 billion rapacious appetites such as ours. That means that about 5.5 billion of us will need to make our final exit so the remaining 1.5 can continue our present ways.

Mortuaries could become the next great growth industry. So frack away boys, keep ecocide alive.

June 2, 2013 at 1:18 a.m.
AndrewLohr said...

Ha. / Don't worry, nucanuck, we're just keeping you warm up there in the frozen north. Or not. Doesn't fracking replace filthy dirty coal with somewhat cleaner natural gas?

June 2, 2013 at 2:07 a.m.
nucanuck said...

My understanding is that fracked products are on a par with coal for pollution.

June 2, 2013 at 2:20 a.m.
conservative said...

The left is as loony as loney tunes.

Fracturing has been going on for more than 60 years!

2.5 MILLION Fracture treatments have been performed worldwide!

"Since Stanolind Oil introduced hydraulic fracturing in 1949, close to 2.5 million fracture treatments have been performed worldwide. Some believe that approximately 60% of all wells drilled today are fractured. Fracture stimulation not only increases the production rate, but it is credited with adding to reserves—9 billion bbl of oil and more than 700 Tscf of gas added since 1949 to US reserves alone—which otherwise would have been uneconomical to develop."

http://frack.mixplex.com/content/hydraulic-fracturing-history-enduring-technology

June 2, 2013 at 7 a.m.
dougmusn said...

It's a common belief we can compare "dirty coal" with "somewhat cleaner natural gas" by looking at the end products. For coal, we need to add up the effects on worker's health, cost of extraction and shipping the product. For NG, big trucks tearing up the land to get to a fracking site, methane leaks at the wellhead, water consumption in fracking, effects of waste water disposal on the sewer and/or water treatment systems and ultimately distribution of the gas all count.

Nuclear energy seems wonderful if you do not have to count the cost of disposal of spent fuel for 100,000 years.

To early man, fire seemed to be a miracle. It was not until much later we found burning all the trees made the air unbreathable and the soil unstable.

All extractive industries have hidden costs. The best approaches include (most often overlooked) conservation with wind, water and solar power. Finally, we all need to ask ourselves if our level of consumption is necessary. Selfishness takes many forms.

June 2, 2013 at 7:10 a.m.
conservative said...

And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger ; and he that believeth on me shall never THIRST. John 6:35

June 2, 2013 at 7:32 a.m.
patriot1 said...

We haul bottled water from our municipal water supplies around the country in trucks getting 6 mpg of diesel at cost of about $4 per gallon. More fracking needed for more fuel.

June 2, 2013 at 8:12 a.m.
delmar said...

To quote the author in this article - "Where the hell is everybody"

http://grist.org/news/most-americans-dont-give-a-frack-about-fracking/

June 2, 2013 at 8:36 a.m.
conservative said...

And he said unto me, It is done . I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. Revelation 21:6

June 2, 2013 at 8:46 a.m.
klifnotes said...

Natural gas isn't cleaner. Not only that the upkeep for natural gas is more expensive. As natural gas lines have a potential for erupting, causing explosions to occur that can wipe out entire communities. Just one bad gas line or bad gas appliance inside a house can cause an explosion and a chain reaction that can lead multiple explosions throughout a community.

June 2, 2013 at 8:54 a.m.

Lefty whiners, shut up and be grateful you can get what you need practically whenever you want it in this country. Mr. Bennett's cartoons are predictable, which makes him boring.

June 2, 2013 at 9:49 a.m.
degage said...

So maybe we should go back to horse and buggy days, and according to nacanuck we need to get rid of 5.5 billion people on the planet, that would be easy, no gas, no coal, people in the north would freeze to death in the first winter. walla 5.5 billion gone. See how silly some liberals activist seem.

June 2, 2013 at 9:50 a.m.
klifnotes said...

zableedofisterix said... . Mr. Bennett's cartoons are predictable, which makes him boring.


But you can't resist logging on everyday, multiple times throughut the day, to respond? Bennett's cartoons must not be too boring. Otherwise, you wouldn't keep posting your diatribe responses.

June 2, 2013 at 9:54 a.m.
jesse said...

Uh degage, thats 5 BILLION we need to get rid of according to nucanuk!!

I move that Easy be the first!

June 2, 2013 at 9:55 a.m.
fairmon said...

It is brilliant marketing when producers take a municipal water supply, run it through a filter, bottle it in plastic which can leach and label it purified so people will pay multiples more than the cost from their tap which they could unnecessarily further filter. Some label bottled water as from some spring which is no guarantee of purity.

NG will generate the revenue needed to pursue alternative sources which have not yet been discovered. The fear of properly regulated fracking is frivolous.

June 2, 2013 at 10:30 a.m.
alprova said...

conservative wrote: "And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger ; and he that believeth on me shall never THIRST. John 6:35"

"And he said unto me, It is done . I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. Revelation 21:6"

Well that settles it. The Bible plainly says that no matter what man does, not matter what chemicals are introduced to the Earth's water supplies, all ya' gotta do is to believe in Jesus, and the Lord will supply plentiful, clean, untainted water for all to drink.

How silly of us to be the least bit concerned with how fracking affects drinking water supplies.

June 2, 2013 at 10:31 a.m.
fairmon said...

Illinois passed strict francking regulations to generate thousands of jobs. Obama's home state is pursuing it without objection from the federal government.

June 2, 2013 at 10:32 a.m.
alprova said...

degage wrote: "So maybe we should go back to horse and buggy days, and according to nacanuck we need to get rid of 5.5 billion people on the planet, that would be easy, no gas, no coal, people in the north would freeze to death in the first winter. walla 5.5 billion gone. See how silly some liberals activist seem."

"Uh degage, thats 5 BILLION we need to get rid of according to nucanuk!!"

You both make fun of what he said, but there is a great deal of truth in it. If we keep consuming natural resources at the pace that humanity has established currently, especially those that are not of a renewable nature, the Earth will not support us forever.

Will we run out of oil in 10 years, 50 years, 100 years? No one knows for sure, but scientists all agree that the Earth one day will be depleted of all oil that is underground.

Coal will also disappear. Natural gas will too. The time to prepare for all these eventualities is now. God gives us all a brain to use. Some of us are using it to reason and to understand the difference between fact, fiction, truth, lies, and to put all that is written into perspective.

In Biblical times, oil wasn't even a blip on a radar screen. Neither was most everything else we argue about these days. Belief in God is absolutely fantastic, but our future largely depends on what we do, and not what we believe.

When this Earth runs out of natural energy sources, power plants as we now know it, will be idled. Gasoline powered cars will become planters for flowers. Winters are going to be tough with no electricity, fuel oil, and natural gas in many parts of the United States, unless we all start converting to renewable sources of Energy NOW.

What will happen to the world's food supplies? Even if we can find immediate ways to farm crops, how will we transport them to where they are needed?

I don't care if fracking has been around for a hundred years. There have been many dangerous and documented instances of illnesses and outright poisonings associated with it.

None of us discussing this issue today probably will not see what will happen if we don't amend our consumption of natural resources. But most of us have family that will.

Dismissing the inevitable and what we all know to be true won't affect your personal lives, but it will for your offspring.

June 2, 2013 at 11 a.m.
Maximus said...

Fracking, like drilling for oil in Alaska and other regions of the United States, is how we can rid ourselves of any attachment to countries like Saudi Arabia that have a terrible, imperialist monarchy culture that debases women and creates a permanent underclass of have nots. We can tell the Saudis and other Islamic countries who we depend on for oil to go straight to hell which is where they are headed any way with their religion of false doctrine. Drill now, drill safe, so I can buy that fully restored 1968 Pontiac GTO Muscle Car and fill her up for $1.00 a gallon again. As for driving a Prius or Fiat......not so much and most Americans feel that way too. Pick up trucks still top sellers in the USA especially good ole Red State TN!

June 2, 2013 at 11:13 a.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "The fear of properly regulated fracking is frivolous."

Therein lies the problem. Fracking is largely unregulated. There is little oversight. The list of chemicals used in fracking is a trade secret. The only evidence and proof to what some of these chemicals are, has been what has been found in contaminated water supplies.

Five of the worst cases;

Sublette County, Wyoming was the first site of groundwater contamination to be documented by a federal agency, the U.S. Bureau of Land Management, in 2008. Water from more than 88 drinking wells was contaminated and found to contain benzene, a chemical that causes leukemia, at concentrations up to 1,500 times a safe level.

The town of Dimock, Pennsylvania began to have water bottles delivered to them by Cabot Oil & Gas after the company’s fracking contaminated the entire town’s water supply in 2009. Pennsylvania’s Department of Environmental Protection (D.E.P.) began to investigate after people felt dizzy whenever they showered, when their “water started turning brown and making them sick, one woman’s water well spontaneously combusted, and horses and pets mysteriously began to lose their hair.”

Duke University scientists collected water samples from 68 wells in New York and Pennsylvania, finding unsafe levels of methane. According to the report, which was released in the National Academy of Sciences, the closer a sampled well was to active natural gas drilling, the higher the methane level within the well, especially if the well was shallow.

A blowout in Bradford County, Pennsylvania sent 30,000 gallons of fracking fluid into the Susquehanna River Watershed, which serves the Chesapeake Bay and more than 6 million people. As a result of the spill, Chesapeake Energy is facing a lawsuit from the state of Maryland.

The people of the Pittsburgh region were advised by D.E.P. officials in 2008 to drink only bottled water during a drought because wastewater produced by fracking was at dangerous levels in the Monongahela river.

Source: http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2011/07/21/274064/inhofe-is-wrong-five-famous-times-fracking-contaminated-our-water/

June 2, 2013 at 11:18 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova I see that you, as usual, showed up at about 11:30 last night to get the last word on the debate. Since for all practical purposes when the toon changes the old one is abandoned by the posters.

However you covered a lot of territory and I think we should continue to explore those details.

alprova said...

I previously wrote: "Douglas Shulman was CLEARED for White House visits 157 times. That does not mean that he actually visited the White House 157 times. People are cleared all the time for White House visits, who never show."

JT wrote: "Those are all true."

Really? Where is the proof that Mr. Shulman visited the White House 157 times?


Where to start?

You make three claims, I respond with “Those are all true”. Most people in the civilized world would interpret my response as meaning I agree with your three claims however you not so much.

UNBELIEVABLE ... Only if it wasn’t you doing the postings.

June 2, 2013 at 11:33 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said ...

I wrote: "The logs kept of those clearances show that he actually arrived and logged in 11 times."

JT Responded : "That is not verified as there is no claim that he was not logged in but only that there was no arrival time listed. I’ve visited many location that require log-ins but have usually not provided an arrival time and noticed that the vast majority have not as well."

Darlin' anyone who visits the White House is electronically logged in and out. They keep meticulous records of who visits the White House, when they arrive and are granted entry and when they exit.

No one, and I do mean no one, with the exception of White House staff, enters the White House without prior clearance being issued.


From klifnotes’ link:

The real problem with combing through the White House visitor logs is that they were a system designed for Secret Service clearance and White House security, not as comprehensive means of documenting every visitor to the White House, high to low. They miss the top end and some of the social end of people visiting the White House -- people who are cleared through separate processes designed to protect presidential security other than getting swiped in at the front gate for an appointment.

The system being used is clearly an old one. The Center for Public Integrity has examined the holes in the visitor logs in some detail. Their key finding for the purposes of this discussion: "The logs include names of people cleared by the Secret Service for White House entry who never showed up. The Center analysis found more than 200,000 visits with no time of arrival, an indication the person didn't enter the White House though there is no way to know for certain."

June 2, 2013 at 11:36 a.m.
alprova said...

Maximus wrote: "Drill now, drill safe, so I can buy that fully restored 1968 Pontiac GTO Muscle Car and fill her up for $1.00 a gallon again."

Any assertion that oil drilled from the ground here in the United States will be sold to U.S. producers, that would result in gasoline ever returning to a buck a gallon, if further proof that you live in world created from pure fantasy.

No matter where oil is pumped from the ground, it is sold to the highest bidder and the market sets the price of a barrel of oil.

If China or Japan bids a hundred bucks a barrel, do you really think that the oil companies would be so stupid to sell it to American refiners for $25 bucks a barrel?

"As for driving a Prius or Fiat......not so much and most Americans feel that way too."

Unless most Americans start pulling their heads out of their asses and start thinking clearly, they are one day in for a very rude awakening.

"Pick up trucks still top sellers in the USA especially good ole Red State TN!"

And one day, any gasoline powered pickup truck will make a nice $50,000 flower planter.

180,000,000 gallons of oil are consumed around the world every single day today. 65.7 billion gallons are consumed per year.

How long before we start running out of oil?

Some say ten years, some say 50 years, some say 100 years, some even say never.

So pick the theory that best supports your care and concern, and hang on to it and hope for the best.

June 2, 2013 at 11:42 a.m.
alprova said...

JT wrote: "You make three claims, I respond with “Those are all true”. Most people in the civilized world would interpret my response as meaning I agree with your three claims however you not so much."

You did not make it THAT clear. Since your usual demeanor is to post only disagreements with what people write, it was an easy stretch to assume that you were claiming the 157 visits to the White House were all true.

If you were agreeing with me, then you have my apology for not understanding that. It's a shock, to say the least, that you would agree with anyone on anything, that is when you decide to respond to what one writes.

Any thought that anyone slips in and out of the White House, undetected or unaccounted for, is quite silly in my opinion.

I'm quite sure that every single person inside those gates, is accounted for, every single moment. They have a name, proof of I.D., background info, EVERYTHING...and those records are not a matter of public information.

This silly assertion that was planted that because Shulman's name appeared on clearance logs 157 times, that he visited with the President 157 times, is and always was a farce.

But there are people running around, thanks to Faux News and other anti-Obama wingnut run outlets of information, who have convinced people who do not take the time to check into facts, that Shulman and Obama collaborated 157 times to pick on conservative and Tea-Party groups to deny them tax-free exemptions.

June 2, 2013 at 11:50 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said ...

I wrote: "The majority of the visits were set to be held in the Eisenhower Executive Office Building, which houses office suites for administration aides."

JT: "Many appointments I’ve had are only entry points to larger gatherings as the person the appointment is with has the responsibility to bring the people they think are necessary."

I see. So now you believe, based on whatever experience you have had at your undefined gatherings, that you are clued in to how meetings are conducted at the White House?

Apples and 50 pound Watermelons Babe.


http://www.publicintegrity.org/2011/04/13/4115/white-house-visitor-logs-riddled-holes

“Another practice calling into question the veracity of the logs: Junior White House staff members routinely list themselves as the “visitee,” or person being visited, when in fact the visitor has arrived to see someone higher up the chain of command. The practice appears to apply to the commander in chief in some instances.

Asked why junior staffers appear so often with top-flight visitors, the White House said administrative staffers are often the point of contact for visitors to senior staff and they receive guests as they arrive.”

June 2, 2013 at 11:57 a.m.
alprova said...

Okay...you win. Shulman MUST have visited the President directly 11 times, even though he was scheduled to meet with others on 6 occasions.

Your conspiracy theory is sound and has been defended successfully.

Sheesh...

June 2, 2013 at 12:05 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

What Jesse said.

June 2, 2013 at 12:05 p.m.
whatsnottaken said...

From the heart of frack nation. Its not the fracking but the losers, criminals and deadbeats who move to your state to work in the oil industry who f(screw) up the quality of life.

June 2, 2013 at 12:06 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said ...

Me: "At best, he met with the President directly, FIVE times."

JT: "Also not verified as a meeting with the president does not require it to be one on one."

Everyone that meets with the President is logged. It's a matter of public record. This faux rumor, like all the others floating around is based on assumptions with no proof whatsoever in evidence.


http://www.publicintegrity.org/2011/04/13/4115/white-house-visitor-logs-riddled-holes

The logs are similarly incomplete for thousands of other visitors to the White House, including lobbyists, government employees, campaign donors, policy experts, and friends of the first family, according to an investigation by the Center for Public Integrity.

The White House website proudly boasts of making available “over 1,000,000 records of everyone who's come through the doors of the White House” via a searchable database.

Yet the Center’s analysis shows that the logs routinely omit or cloud key details about the identity of visitors, who they met with, the nature of the visit, and even includes the names of people who never showed up. These are critical gaps that raise doubts about their historical accuracy and utility in helping the public understand White House operations from social events to meetings on key policy debates.

Another lapse in the White House logs is due to Obama staff who met with people off-site. Politico has reported that some visitors believe Obama aides may intentionally avoid listing them in the logs by steering them to buildings outside the White House complex. Several lobbyists said they believed they were sent to meeting spaces on Jackson Place, just off Lafayette Square and a stone’s throw from the White House, so their names wouldn’t appear in the Secret Service records.

The policy contains no commitment to ever release the names of visitors withheld under the national security exception, and that exception is used broadly. Also exempted under the disclosure policy are “records related to a small group of particularly sensitive meetings,” which won’t be disclosed until the information is “no longer sensitive.”

June 2, 2013 at 12:17 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said ...

Your conspiracy theory is sound and has been defended successfully.


I offered no theory that this person visited the president even once. I was only responding to your wild and inaccurate claims that you made about the subject. You just made the mistake of getting all up in my face about it.

June 2, 2013 at 12:26 p.m.
prairie_dog said...

With the price of energy going sky high, I'd rather spend a few cents to produce my own "spring" water at home, right there under the sink, with a simple, inexpensive reverse-osmosis water filter system. It's the same process they use to produce Dasani water (for use in making soft drinks).

People who don't depend on productive industries for their living have the luxury of criticizing the 95% of people on this planet who DO. Poor people who work are the ones most hurt by the high cost of gasoline. How about doing something for them, instead of the poor people who don't work, and the cartoonists who pretend to work.

Clay's talents would be much more appreciated if they were applied to something he's qualified to do, like pasting up the weekly flyer from Dollar General Stores.

June 2, 2013 at 12:41 p.m.
Maximus said...

Alprova, your psycho babble junk science alarmist rantings are so typical of the Al Gore $600 million dollar global warming environmental apocolyptic hoax that idiots like you have sold to the low information voter Obama nation and a few guilt ridden Hollywood types, I.e. Sean Penn and Barbara Streisand , that used our free enterprise system to become wealthy, now they are "above it all" and want to trash our country. All of the hogwash you are spouting about....."it won't affect you, the next generation will pay, is nonsense. Every enviro wacko statistic you present on behalf of the left has been disproven by scientists that have no political agenda other than the truth. The fact is, oil is a "green", the Whole Foods crowd should like this......ORGANIC, resource that should be "harvested" safely in the U.S. in order to make our country more self sufficient and support national defense. In the mean time, research on electric cars, which by the way still pull from the coal/gas/hydro electric supported power grid can continue. Right now, most of the electric cars on the market, such as the Nissan Leaf, would only support those living off the corrupt Obama nanny state and only need to drive 20 to 50 miles a day to go pick up their EBT cards and go to court about bounced checks. Another thing, nuclear power has enabled our Navy submarines and aircraft carriers to circle the globe safely without refueling.....why not nuclear powered cars? I'm still gonna buy that 68 GTO though. :)

June 2, 2013 at 12:58 p.m.
Maximus said...

Good going Prairie Dog! The poor are the ones the elitist enviro wackos hurt the most. U r my dog. Clay working at the Dollar General...........A CLASSIC!

June 2, 2013 at 1:02 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

five stahs to prairie dawg.

June 2, 2013 at 1:08 p.m.
Easy123 said...

prairie_dog,

"How about doing something for them, instead of the poor people who don't work,"

90% of all entitlement benefits go to the disabled, elderly, and working poor.

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3677

What is it that WingNuts are doing for the poor again?

June 2, 2013 at 1:20 p.m.
alprova said...

JT wrote: "I offered no theory that this person visited the president even once."

Oh, I see. Then it was one of your other personalities who has been posting such tripe for the past few days.

Glad you cleared that up.

"I was only responding to your wild and inaccurate claims that you made about the subject."

Wild and inaccurate only describes any assertion that Shulman visited the White House 157 times.

"You just made the mistake of getting all up in my face about it."

And everyone knows what happens when they encounter your wrath when you are corrected, A.K.A. "getting up in your face."

They are bombarded with cuts and pastes that only serve to obscure whatever truth is on the table.

June 2, 2013 at 1:21 p.m.
Maximus said...

Come on....Rahim Dead Fish Emmanuel from Barry's first four years, Hillary, Plueff, Axelrod, Biden, Lerner, Schulman, Holder, Bill Ayers and Obama himself all have a background of radical hate filled class warfare Marxist elitist Anti-American activism. One icon of hiring good people that has never failed me in my over 30 years of business ownership.......PAST BEHAVIOR IS A STRONG PREDICTOR OF FUTURE BEHAVIOR. What we have in the AP, IRS, and Benghazi scandal's is simply thuggish, the end justifies the means, radical, hateful leftist discriminatory behavior that is the hallmark of Marxism. But.....as I think that great Republican President Abe Lincoln was quoted as saying....."You can fool some of the people some of the time but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.". Call your Congressmen and Senators and tell them to keep the pressure on the IRS. We need to re-vamp the IRS, implement a FLAT TAX and put the power back into the hands of the people and the states where it belongs. The tax code is way way too complicated. This must change.

June 2, 2013 at 1:29 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

nucanuck said...

If we can't control our consumption, then the default consequence is to have fewer people, willingly or unwillingly.


WASHINGTON—Saying there's no way around it at this point, a coalition of scientists announced Thursday that one-third of the world population must die to prevent wide-scale depletion of the planet's resources—and that humankind needs to figure out immediately how it wants to go about killing off more than 2 billion members of its species.

"I'm just going to level with you—the earth's carrying capacity will no longer be able to keep up with population growth, and civilization will end unless large swaths of human beings are killed, so the question is: How do we want to do this?" Cambridge University ecologist Dr. Edwin Peters said. "Do we want to give everyone a number and implement a death lottery system? Incinerate the nation's children? Kill off an entire race of people? Give everyone a shotgun and let them sort it out themselves?"

"Unfortunately, we are well past the point of controlling overpopulation through education, birth control, and the empowerment of women. In fact, we should probably kill 300 million women right off the bat."

Additionally, the scientists noted that in order to stop the destruction of global environmental systems in heavily populated regions, there's no avoiding the reality that half the world's progeny will have to be sterilized.

"The longer we wait, the higher the number of people who will have to die, so we might as well just get it over with," said Dr. Chelsea Klepper, head of agricultural studies at Purdue Univer­sity, and the leading proponent of a worldwide death day in which 2.3 billion people would kill themselves en masse at the exact same time. "At this point, it's merely a question of coordination. If we can get the populations of New York City, Los Angeles, Beijing, India, Europe, and Latin America to voluntarily off themselves at 6 p.m. EST on June 1, we can kill the people that need to be killed and the planet can finally start renewing its resources."

Sources confirmed that if a death solution is not in place by Mar. 31, the U.N., in the interest of preserving the human race, will mobilize its peacekeeping forces and gun down as many people as necessary.

"I don't care how it happens, but a ton of Africans have to go, because by 2025, there's no way that continent will be able to feed itself," said Dr. Henry Craig of the Population Research Institute. "And by my estimation, three babies have to die for every septuagenarian, because their longer life expectancy means babies have the potential to release far more greenhouse gases going forward."

by Allium Cepa

June 2, 2013 at 1:34 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Easy: What is it exactly that YOU are doing to feed the poor?

June 2, 2013 at 1:37 p.m.
Easy123 said...
June 2, 2013 at 1:38 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Plain_Jack_Dennis: What is it exactly that YOU are doing to feed the poor?

June 2, 2013 at 1:40 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

OK, Ease. I get that you won't answer the question.

June 2, 2013 at 1:43 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Plain_Jack_Dennis,

OK, Jack. I get that you won't answer the question.

June 2, 2013 at 1:44 p.m.
alprova said...

Maximus wrote: "Alprova, your psycho babble junk science alarmist rantings are so typical of the Al Gore $600 million dollar global warming environmental apocolyptic (sic) hoax (snipped)"

This issue has nothing to do with the global warming controversy, and how typical of you to completely refuse to stick to the subject at hand.

"All of the hogwash you are spouting about....."it won't affect you, the next generation will pay, is nonsense."

It is permissible, in this country, for now anyway, for you to be as openly ignorant and dismissive of everything out there that supports the conclusions that I support through the use of deductive reasoning.

"Every enviro wacko statistic you present on behalf of the left has been disproven by scientists that have no political agenda other than the truth."

I'd love for you to show me evidence of that. Controverted evidence can always be traced back to entities with an agenda.

"The fact is, oil is a "green", the Whole Foods crowd should like this......ORGANIC, resource that should be "harvested" safely in the U.S. in order to make our country more self sufficient and support national defense."

As silly as that is, as presented, there is no getting around the fact that oil is not an infinite resource. The world will run out of oil one day. You're not going to get confirmation of that from oil companies, for that would endanger the profits they are reaping today. You're not going to hear that from our politicians, for they are reaping generous contributions from the oil companies.

"In the mean time, research on electric cars, which by the way still pull from the coal/gas/hydro electric supported power grid can continue."

Don't forget nuclear.

"Right now, most of the electric cars on the market, such as the Nissan Leaf, would only support those living off the corrupt Obama nanny state and only need to drive 20 to 50 miles a day to go pick up their EBT cards and go to court about bounced checks."

Sir, I'm quite sure that EBT cards are mailed to recipients, just like credit cards are, and they are loaded with funds periodically.

I live two miles from my place of business. The errands I run are less than 30 miles, round trip, any given day of the week. I don't deny that an electric car is not for everyone, but it is perfect for me. And there's nothing wrong with having a gasoline powered vehicle for road trips, on occasion. But conserving the use of fossil fuels is a goal that every single one of us should be striving to do.

"Another thing, nuclear power has enabled our Navy submarines and aircraft carriers to circle the globe safely without refueling.....why not nuclear powered cars?"

Why not? Imagine the catastrophic consequences of 40,000 crashes per year of nuclear powered vehicles. You really haven't though that one through, have you?

"I'm still gonna buy that 68 GTO though. :)"

Sure you are.

June 2, 2013 at 1:49 p.m.
fairmon said...

Alprova said....

Dismissing the inevitable and what we all know to be true won't affect your personal lives, but it will for your offspring.

They are taking a screwing with the growing debt they can never repay and now we use up all the natural resources. Do you think there is time to evolve to something different or should we jump off the cliff?

I do hope the government will only regulate and not try to operate.

June 2, 2013 at 1:57 p.m.
marmadukegarcia said...

Fracking was deemed safe by the EPA of 'Richard Windsor' so I'm all for it. Frack Away!

June 2, 2013 at 2:10 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Alprova said: “Fracking is largely unregulated. There is little oversight.”

Yes, the so-called regulations that TN’s elected officials have put in place are a joke.

The scary reality is that these so-called regulations simply do not do anything to regulate the type of drilling that is actually occurring in the Tennessee at this time.

State Senator Jim Kyle, D-Memphis, likens the alleged regulations to “banning texting while driving, but only when traveling at more than 120 mph.”

June 2, 2013 at 2:13 p.m.
degage said...

plain truth, a typical liberal that doesn't have an answer will put the question back on the questioner. So now we know Easy does nothing for the poor except want the government take care of them.

June 2, 2013 at 2:30 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Degage: exactly. And he is cowardly.

June 2, 2013 at 2:38 p.m.
Easy123 said...

degage,

"a typical liberal that doesn't have an answer will put the question back on the questioner."

A typical conservative that feels others are obligated to answer their questions will make baseless, fallacious claims against others when those questions aren't answered.

"So now we know Easy does nothing for the poor except want the government take care of them."

So, now we know that degage is, at the very least, dishonest and illogical considering her claims are baseless and highly fallacious.

Would you like to try again?

June 2, 2013 at 2:39 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Plain_Jack_Dennis,

"Degage: exactly. And he is cowardly."

Since you didn't answer the question either, by your own logic, you are a coward as well.

You're really dumb, Jack. Would you like to try again?

June 2, 2013 at 2:41 p.m.
Maximus said...

Alprova drives a Leaf. Funny. You sucker. Oh yes very realistic, 20 miles to the charge. I'm waiting for that wind powered car that you can drive when it is only windy or you are going downhill. Some government can save the planet nuts that live their lives asking the question.....What if bad things happen? .....who will be there to take care of me? Will buy the wind powered car just like the idiots that bought that death sled Idea Electro Car. Good luck with the 18 wheelers. Bam, just found my 68 GTO, on Streetside Classics website. Gonna be writing a check at their Atlanta dealership next week. Check out their site, very cool. I love me some All-American gas guzzling muscle cars. F U Obama!

June 2, 2013 at 2:46 p.m.
stevedj_98 said...

Since natural gas prices were at a ten-year low March of 2012, I never understood the big push for fracking---until I found out that all the Big Oil and Big Gas companies can get four times as much money for LNG overseas. There are over 20 applications pending with the government to build shipping terminals on our coasts right now. So much for the big fracking push to make our country energy independent. Ya, right.

June 2, 2013 at 2:50 p.m.
conservative said...

alprova,

Sadly, you greatly misunderstood the meaning of the word water and the word THIRST which I capitalized for you in those two verses.

Read them again and see if you can come up with another conclusion.

Once again I will remind you:

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 1 Corinthians 2:14

June 2, 2013 at 2:51 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Easy. Move along. You're done here. Go back to E-Harmony.com. Better chance there.

June 2, 2013 at 3:01 p.m.
conservative said...

But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst ; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.John 4:14

June 2, 2013 at 3:04 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Plain_Jack_Dennis,

"Easy. Move along. You're done here."

You've been done here since your Jack_Dennis days. That's why you changed your screen name twice.

I'm not going anywhere. But whine about it some more for me. LMFAO!

"Go back to E-Harmony.com. Better chance there."

That makes absolutely no sense, but why would I expect any different from you?

Any more zingers, coffin dodger?

June 2, 2013 at 3:04 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

klifnotes said...

Natural gas isn't cleaner. Not only that the upkeep for natural gas is more expensive. As natural gas lines have a potential for erupting, causing explosions to occur that can wipe out entire communities. Just one bad gas line or bad gas appliance inside a house can cause an explosion and a chain reaction that can lead multiple explosions throughout a community.


“In 2011, U.S. fire departments responded to 370,000 home structure fires. These fires caused 13,910 civilian injuries, 2,520 civilian deaths, $6.9 billion in direct damage.”

The vast majority of these fires have an electrical system involved in some way. The same type of energy that is produced by most of the renewable energy sources.

How can we, in good conscience, be promoting that type of energy source that is so destructive.

June 2, 2013 at 3:14 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Jt6_quoque,

"Auto-related deaths in the U. S. cost an estimated $41 billion in medical and lost productivity expenses a year, according to estimates released last week by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention."

"According to the CDC, more than 30,000 people in the U.S. are killed in car crashes each year, but the costs associated with these deaths vary widely from state to state."


The vast majority of these deaths have a gasoline consuming engine involved. The same type of energy that releases carbon emissions/pollution into the air and harms the environment and human beings.

How can we, in good conscience, be promoting that type of energy source that is exceedingly more destructive than any other type of energy source.

And that's just motor vehicles crashes. I haven't even mentioned the harm caused to the environment and people via carbon emissions and pollution from power plants, oil rigs, motor vehicles, etc.

Would you like to try again?

June 2, 2013 at 3:20 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Easy. zzzzzzzzzzz

June 2, 2013 at 3:32 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Plain_Jack_Dennis,

Did you miss your "Ensure and Viagra" cocktail this morning? Better wake up quick! It's almost time for your afternoon diaper change.

Troll on, Jackie.

June 2, 2013 at 3:36 p.m.
nucanuck said...

The sun will set on the age of the automobile before the end of this century. The very rich may still have some form of automobile, but it will no longer be ubiquitous.

We will adapt and we will re-localize. We will still laugh and cry, but our world will be profoundly different.

June 2, 2013 at 3:53 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Easy123

You mean the motor vehicles that it is suggested we convert to electric power for propulsion?

The same type of vehicles that are now causing all of the death and damage you mentioned.

The vehicles that will be built lighter and stuffed with massive batteries that will probably cause even greater harm.

The same vehicles that will consume so much electrical power that no amount of alternate renewable energy sources will be able to produce it.

The same vehicles that will necessitate the continued use of fixed carbon powered electrical sources.

The same power sources that will produce more harmful by products than the ever more efficient and cleaner gas powered engines.


http://www.utk.edu/tntoday/2012/02/13/researchers-find-ecar-emissions-harmful/

Electric cars have been heralded as environmentally friendly, but findings from University of Tennessee, Knoxville, researchers show that electric cars in China have an overall impact on pollution that could be more harmful to health than gasoline vehicles.

June 2, 2013 at 4:08 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Easy. You've just been bitch-slapped.

June 2, 2013 at 4:12 p.m.
klifnotes said...

Jt6gR3hM said... klifnotes said... Natural gas isn't cleaner. Not only that the upkeep for natural gas is more expensive. As natural gas lines have a potential for erupting, causing explosions to occur that can wipe out entire communities. Just one bad gas line or bad gas appliance inside a house can cause an explosion and a chain reaction that can lead multiple explosions throughout a community.

“In 2011, U.S. fire departments responded to 370,000 home structure fires. These fires caused 13,910 civilian injuries, 2,520 civilian deaths, $6.9 billion in direct damage.”

The vast majority of these fires have an electrical system involved in some way. The same type of energy that is produced by most of the renewable energy sources.

How can we, in good conscience, be promoting that type of energy source that is so destructive


But electrical fires don't usually lead to mass explosions that can wipe out an entire neighborhood, unless there is some other element involved, such gasoline or natural gas.

RE: csmonitor.com: "West Virginia explosion of a natural gas line wiped out a wide swath of Interstate 77 and flattened homes. No deaths were caused by the West Virginia natural gas explosion, and federal and state authorities are investigating the cause."

http://www.csmonitor.com/Environment/Latest-News-Wires/2012/1212/West-Virginia-natural-gas-explosion-wipes-out-homes-and-I-77-video

June 2, 2013 at 4:13 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Jt6_quoque,

"You mean the motor vehicles that it is suggested we convert to electric power for propulsion?"

I never made such a claim. Simply stating facts.

"The same type of vehicles that are now causing all of the death and damage you mentioned."

No, they aren't. I have already proven that.

"The vehicles that will be built lighter and stuffed with massive batteries that will probably cause even greater harm."

Proof? Or do you expect people to just believe your outlandish claims?

"The same vehicles that will consume so much electrical power that no amount of alternate renewable energy sources will be able to produce it."

Proof? I'm sensing a trend here.

"The same vehicles that will necessitate the continued use of fixed carbon powered electrical sources."

Proof?

"The same power sources that will produce more harmful by products than the ever more efficient and cleaner gas powered engines."

Proof? You're just full of conjecture today.

"Electric cars have been heralded as environmentally friendly, but findings from University of Tennessee, Knoxville, researchers show that electric cars in China have an overall impact on pollution that could be more harmful to health than gasoline vehicles."

I guess you're basing all your claims on one study saying "could be". Pardon me while I scoff at you.

June 2, 2013 at 4:18 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Plain_Jack_Dennis,

"Easy. You've just been bitch-slapped."

You must be having flashbacks of what occurs to you here everyday, but I don't think "bitch-slapped" would fully cover what I do to you on a daily basis.

Would you like to try again? Suckling from Jt6_quoque's teat isn't getting you anywhere.

June 2, 2013 at 4:19 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

stevedj_98 said...

Since natural gas prices were at a ten-year low March of 2012, I never understood the big push for fracking---until I found out that all the Big Oil and Big Gas companies can get four times as much money for LNG overseas. There are over 20 applications pending with the government to build shipping terminals on our coasts right now. So much for the big fracking push to make our country energy independent. Ya, right.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/12/06/natural-gas-exports-could-boost-u-s-economy-but-will-anyone-even-buy-the-stuff/

There’s a growing debate about whether the United States should start exporting some of its natural gas wealth. After all, America is currently awash in cheap gas, thanks to advances in shale drilling. And natural gas prices are high in other countries. So why don’t we just ship some of our supply overseas for a tidy profit?

Yet there’s one oft-overlooked aspect of this debate that could make all the bickering moot. It’s still entirely possible that U.S. energy companies won’t find it economical to ship all that much natural gas overseas in the near future. If so, that would mean natural gas exports could become a relative non-issue, regardless of what members of Congress think.

That was one interesting takeaway from a big new report by the Department of Energy, released on Wednesday. The report found that natural gas exports could, in theory, boost the U.S. economy by up to $47 billion in 2020. Those gains would likely outweigh the costs from higher domestic energy prices. Yet the report also suggested that large-scale exports might not materialize at all.

One reason is cost. Natural gas is relatively easy to transport by pipeline across land. But it’s not quite as simple to ship overseas. The methane has to be liquefied first, chilled to -260°F so that its volume shrinks and it can be transported in giant ocean tankers. This technology is already widespread. But it can be quite pricey. Natural gas that sells for $3.70 per million BTU in the United States can cost $10 or $11 per million BTU once it’s liquefied and transported abroad.

Now, exports might still be worthwhile even at that higher cost — after all, natural gas prices in Japan are currently around $17 per million BTU. That looks like an obvious trade opportunity. But a lot depends on how the global market develops in the coming years. If America’s natural gas ends up being less plentiful than assumed, or if, say, countries in Eastern Europe start exploiting their own shale gas supplies, then U.S. exports will look less appealing.

Indeed, as Michael Levi points out, the Energy Department’s baseline projection right now is that U.S. gas exports won’t grow at all, given the current outlook for global demand.

June 2, 2013 at 4:27 p.m.
klifnotes said...

The earthquake that so devestated Haiti was said to have been caused by drilling for oil off the coast when drillers hit a major fault line. The same goes for TN. There's a major earthquake fault line running through the state of TN. The same one when there was an earthquake that made the Mississippi river run backwards. It's only a matter of time before that fault is hit, and all y'all supporters of fracking are going to end up slipping and sliding right down through an Alice In Wonderland hole and ending on the other side of the planet.

June 2, 2013 at 4:33 p.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said... Fairmon wrote: "The fear of properly regulated fracking is frivolous."

Therein lies the problem. Fracking is largely unregulated. There is little oversight. The list of chemicals used in fracking is a trade secret. The only evidence and proof to what some of these chemicals are, has been what has been found in contaminated water supplies.

Note the words properly regulated. Are you saying the EPA under this administration is not capable of developing adequate and reasonable regulations? The EPA recently said it could be done safely if.....several actions listed. Each state, as done in Illinois, can develop standards more stringent than the EPA.

The new energy source will come from an oil company. They are now investing heavily in alternative sources, some not yet publicized. To continue being a viable and profitable company they want to be the "go to" source as people move away from fossil fuels. In the mean time they will work to keep their business and profits healthy in order to fund their R&D activities. Natural gas is a good interim step toward less dependence on foreign sources, not the end all answer to the future.

In every activity there is a chicken little "the sky is falling" group normally more from ignorance than knowledge. Those same people prefer to ignore the bad news facts of the countries economic dilemma but will be the first to say "why did you not know and do something'?

Keep buying that bottled water and avoiding the sun without sun screen....you are helping the economy.

Lol..I am sure regardless of the decision mountainlaurel will find it to be the republicans fault. If the democrats initiate it and the results are bad she will conclude they faked the democrats out by pretending they were against it. She thinks the libertarian social liberalism, smaller government and personal responsibility agenda is crazy...we must have the government deciding most things for everyone according to her and the NYT.

June 2, 2013 at 4:33 p.m.
fairmon said...

Alprova..I didn't knowingly do anything to create the huge bold type. I apologize for that but I have no idea what caused it.

June 2, 2013 at 4:38 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

klifnotes said ...

RE: csmonitor.com: "West Virginia explosion of a natural gas line wiped out a wide swath of Interstate 77 and flattened homes. No deaths were caused by the West Virginia natural gas explosion, and federal and state authorities are investigating the cause."


You’re attracted to flashes of light, shiny objects, and loud noises ... aren’t you?

It’s the totality of the death and destruction and not the body count and costs of individual large occurrences.

June 2, 2013 at 4:42 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Easy. You have no creds. You've been shamed. Move along.

June 2, 2013 at 4:55 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Plain_Jack_Dennis,

"Easy. You have no creds."

Ironic coming from the person with no "creds" times three.

I have exponentially more "creds" than the troll that has posted under 3 screen names.

"You've been shamed."

Keep telling yourself that. I know you need the ego boost.

It's called psychological projection and it's your go-to defense mechanism. No one has been shamed on the TFP Opinion comments section more than you, Jack_Dennis/Rebus/PlainTruth.

"Move along."

I'm not going anywhere, whiner.

But cry some more for me, Jackie. I get a kick out of it.

June 2, 2013 at 4:58 p.m.
alprova said...

Maximus wrote: "Alprova drives a Leaf. Funny. You sucker. Oh yes very realistic, 20 miles to the charge."

I never claimed to own a Leaf. I said an electric car would be perfect for me. My plans include the purchase of an electric vehicle later this year. Right now, I am leaning toward the Chevrolet Volt.

"I'm waiting for that wind powered car that you can drive when it is only windy or you are going downhill."

You need to be on a stage, you're so funny.

"Some government can save the planet nuts that live their lives asking the question.....What if bad things happen? .....who will be there to take care of me?"

Sir, with what little respect you deserve, there are people who are considering what it will take to save this planet and all life on it. You live for today and never take the time to consider eventualities.

Who do you truly believe is being more realistic?

June 2, 2013 at 5:25 p.m.
hambone said...

Typical. About this time in everyone of Clay's cartoons it all turns to name calling!!

June 2, 2013 at 5:26 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

klifnotes said...

The earthquake that so devestated Haiti was said to have been caused by drilling for oil off the coast when drillers hit a major fault line.


Was the second shooter on the grassy knoll involved in that one as well?


The same goes for TN. There's a major earthquake fault line running through the state of TN. The same one when there was an earthquake that made the Mississippi river run backwards. It's only a matter of time before that fault is hit, and all y'all supporters of fracking are going to end up slipping and sliding right down through an Alice In Wonderland hole and ending on the other side of the planet.


The New Madrid Fault and its seismic activity only tangentially touch the far Northwest corner of Tennessee. Anything that goes down there will most likely affect the adjoining states of Arkansas, Missouri, and Illinois more so. I’ll be watching from a distance and by that time in my new natural gas powered car.

June 2, 2013 at 5:56 p.m.
Easy123 said...

jt6_quoque,

"The New Madrid Fault and its seismic activity only tangentially touch the far Northwest corner of Tennessee."

That is irrelevant considering the effects of seismic activity at the New Madrid Fault have been measured as far away as Mississippi. In other words, seismic activity at the NMSZ would affect a much larger area of Tennessee than the Northwest corner.

"In a report filed in November 2008, The U.S. Federal Emergency Management Agency warned that a serious earthquake in the New Madrid Seismic Zone could result in "the highest economic losses due to a natural disaster in the United States," further predicting "widespread and catastrophic" damage across Alabama, Arkansas, Illinois, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Mississippi, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, and particularly Tennessee, where a 7.7 magnitude quake or greater would cause damage to tens of thousands of structures affecting water distribution, transportation systems, and other vital infrastructure. The earthquake is expected to also result in many thousands of fatalities, with more than 4,000 of the fatalities expected in Memphis alone."

"Anything that goes down there will most likely affect the adjoining states of Arkansas, Missouri, and Illinois more so."

That is false.

"In October 2009, a team composed of University of Illinois and Virginia Tech researchers headed by Amr S. Elnashai, funded by the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), considered a scenario where all three segments of the New Madrid fault ruptured simultaneously. The report found that there would be significant damage in the eight states studied – Alabama, Arkansas, Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Mississippi, Missouri and Tennessee – with the probability of additional damage in states farther from the NMSZ. Tennessee, Arkansas, and Missouri would be most severely impacted, and the cities of Memphis, Tennessee and St. Louis, Missouri would be severely damaged. The report estimated 86,000 casualties, including 3,500 fatalities; 715,000 damaged buildings; and 7.2 million people displaced, with 2 million of those seeking shelter, primarily due to the lack of utility services. Direct economic losses, according to the report, would be at least $300 billion."

You're just full of it today, aren't you?

June 2, 2013 at 6:20 p.m.
alprova said...

While it is true that the New Madrid Seismic Zone would not greatly affect us here where we live, we have a little-known but very active earthquake fault zone of our own to worry about.

The 185-mile-long, 30-mile-wide East Tennessee Seismic Zone, which stretches from northwestern Georgia through most of eastern Tennessee, is the second most-active quake zone east of the Rocky Mountains, behind only the New Madrid Seismic Zone.

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/states/tennessee/seismicity.php

June 2, 2013 at 6:35 p.m.
alprova said...

conservative wrote: "alprova, Sadly, you greatly misunderstood the meaning of the word water and the word THIRST which I capitalized for you in those two verses."

Oh...you wrote that for ME? I'm touched.

"Read them again and see if you can come up with another conclusion."

Hey...you're too swift for me today. You're going to have to actually take the time to explain what it is that you were trying to convey by quoting Biblical passages pertaining to the issue of fracking and the documented instances of water contamination that has resulted from it.

I await your explanation with bated breath.

June 2, 2013 at 6:47 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

God help Easy if Wiki ever goes down.

June 2, 2013 at 6:48 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Plain_Jack_Dennis,

"God help Easy if Wiki ever goes down."

It must be hard to type with your head so far up your ass.

Any more zingers, PlainMoron? I encourage you to keep trolling. I always get a good laugh when you demonize information. It's especially funny considering how blatantly ignorant you are.

Tell me about all that research you did on how law school and graduate school are different things. And "praying the gay away" works. And that the Stimulus didn't work. Can't wait to see all the "proof" you have for that bullsh!t.

You should be sending those prayers up for yourself, you fool. However, on a lighter note, I am flattered to be the bane of your existence.

June 2, 2013 at 6:56 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Have refuted your BS twice, and yet.....

June 2, 2013 at 7:09 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Plain_Jack_Dennis,

"Have refuted your BS twice, and yet....."

You made a feeble attempt to simply deny the ignorance of your claims, yet I rebuffed you with the proof. You haven't refuted anything.

Shall I bring up the quotes? How about the debunking of your bullsh!t? Hmmmm?

June 2, 2013 at 7:12 p.m.
Maximus said...

Alprova, you can keep moving on with your unhealthy guilt ridden mentality about your noble mission of working to save the planet which like most liberal doctrine looks and sounds good but means nothing. Good intentions drive the Democrat party obviously results don't. If choosing the over priced union made Chevy Volt, which will probably be discontinued soon due to lackluster sales, equip it with a fire extinguisher. Bottom line, the country runs on oil. Research should continue to find alternative energy sources but until then Obama gases up AF1 with high test jet fuel. How's that for saving the planet?

June 2, 2013 at 7:29 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Rebus, just stop. He's about to flay and butterfly your sorry a$$. You've been pulling on his sleeve ALL DAY and you're about to get treated like one of maximus' children. LMAO

June 2, 2013 at 7:31 p.m.
alprova said...

Maximus wrote: "Alprova, you can keep moving on with your unhealthy guilt ridden mentality about your noble mission of working to save the planet which like most liberal doctrine looks and sounds good but means nothing."

I do not feel an ounce of guilt, for I have always lived and practiced energy conservation, not for the planet, but for my wallet. Further, I have never lived a life of excess.

You'll never understand someone like myself, who constantly plans the future and carefully makes conscience decisions. You're too busy living for today.

"Good intentions drive the Democrat party obviously results don't."

Obviously, the electorate disagrees with you.

"If choosing the over priced union made Chevy Volt, which will probably be discontinued soon due to lackluster sales, equip it with a fire extinguisher."

And as you should know, that is a very non-existent and unsubstantiated fear. Not one Volt currently on the road has caught fire.

"Bottom line, the country runs on oil."

Until it runs out of oil, which is an absolute certainty.

"Research should continue to find alternative energy sources but until then Obama gases up AF1 with high test jet fuel."

Alternative fuels for airplanes will be very hard to come up with. There's certainly no alternative fuels available today.

Airplanes may well all have to be grounded.

June 2, 2013 at 7:58 p.m.
patriot1 said...

Alpo (Georgia's only "registered republican") says..."Until it runs out of oil, which is an absolute certainty."

How do you know this alpo, isn't it really solar energy that mother nature has stored for us?

June 2, 2013 at 8:21 p.m.
Maximus said...

Alprova....said...."Airplanes may have to be grounded.". By who you pompous ass hole. And, who decides what is excess and what is not? Go ahead and live your inconsequential cautious life, afraid of what may happen in the future if we don't realize that oil is not in infinite supply. You know what, we will eventually find answers to the alternative energy question and it will probably be discovered by an American motivated by the prospect of making a boat load of money. As for the government coming up with answers..........Obama probably can't even balance his checkbook. Alprova, we know you can't. I can't remember the last time I saw a Volt on the road. A really crappy car.

June 2, 2013 at 8:25 p.m.
Easy123 said...

patriot1,

"How do you know this alpo, isn't it really solar energy that mother nature has stored for us?"

You cannot be serious.

June 2, 2013 at 8:30 p.m.
Maximus said...

Alprova is obviously afraid of freedom and must live his life regulated by the government. Heah, some losers, I mean, some people need guvment assistance to keep them straight. Cool, but very sad and boring. Nathan Hale....Give me liberty or give me death. Ya'll have an awesome week and don't forget to call your Congressmen and Senators about the gangsters at the Obama IRS. Make them pay or maybe we won't!

June 2, 2013 at 8:33 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Maximusty,

"Alprova is obviously afraid of freedom and must live his life regulated by the government."

You're obviously afraid of knowledge, facts, and the truth.

"Heah, some losers, I mean, some people need guvment assistance to keep them straight."

Everyone in the United States benefits from the government.

"Nathan Hale....Give me liberty or give me death.""

Patrick Henry. LMFAO!

Would you like to try again?

June 2, 2013 at 8:36 p.m.
conservative said...

alprova,

You greatly misunderstood again. I never quoted "Biblical passages pertaining to the issue of fracking and the documented instances of water contamination that has resulted from it" as you put it, I only quoted the two verses.

That is strictly an egregiously wrong interpretation by you, I had nothing to do with it.

Now back to the two verses you grossly misunderstood:

And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger ; and he that believeth on me shall never THIRST. John 6:35 June 2, 2013 at 7:32 a.m.

And he said unto me, It is done . I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. Revelation 21:6 June 2, 2013 at 8:46 a.m.

Remember, I only quoted those two verses, nothing else, and you ran with this outrageous interpretation:

"Well that settles it. The Bible plainly says that no matter what man does, not matter what chemicals are introduced to the Earth's water supplies, all ya' gotta do is to believe in Jesus, and the Lord will supply plentiful, clean, untainted water for all to drink."

Sadly, you were way off on the meaning of those two verses and that is putting it mildly.

Try again.

Hint - the water Jesus mentioned here is not literal, physical water.

Once again I will remind you:

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 1 Corinthians 2:14

June 2, 2013 at 8:42 p.m.
patriot1 said...

Easy-ette says.."You cannot be serious."

I wasn't directing my comments to you....but that don't stop you from butting in...what am I not serious about?

June 2, 2013 at 8:43 p.m.
Easy123 said...

patriette (the unregistered moron) says...

"I wasn't directing my comments to you"

Does it seem like I care?

"....but that don't stop you from butting in"

Well, just cry about it.

"...what am I not serious about?"

Your ignorant post asking how one would know that a non-renewable resource isn't infinite and if oil is "solar energy that mother nature has stored for us".

I was giving you the benefit of the doubt, but I see I shouldn't have. Pardon me while I laugh at your "serious" questions.

June 2, 2013 at 8:49 p.m.
patriot1 said...

Easy-ette...."grad student" .....please enlighten me as to the source of oil and coal

June 2, 2013 at 9:02 p.m.
Easy123 said...

patriette..."moron"...let's see if you can absorb this knowledge:

http://www.energy4me.org/energy-facts/energy-sources/petroleum/

http://www.energy4me.org/energy-facts/energy-sources/coal/

Enlighten yourself.

June 2, 2013 at 9:07 p.m.
alprova said...

Maximus wrote: "Alprova....said...."Airplanes may have to be grounded.". By who you pompous ass hole."

Is that a question? I couldn't be sure because you failed to punctuate it correctly, Mr. Vandy grad.

Airplanes may be grounded because there are no alternative fuels available.

"And, who decides what is excess and what is not?"

Excess is determined when one lives a life over and above the basic needs for human survival, depending of course, their immediate surroundings, and on what it takes to achieve those basic needs.

"Go ahead and live your inconsequential cautious life, afraid of what may happen in the future if we don't realize that oil is not in infinite supply."

Thank you, I will. Just don't believe that your life and your chosen belief structure is without consequences.

"You know what, we will eventually find answers to the alternative energy question and it will probably be discovered by an American motivated by the prospect of making a boat load of money."

Whose this "we" white man? I have serious doubt that you could find your penis, if it wasn't attached to your head.

"As for the government coming up with answers..........Obama probably can't even balance his checkbook. Alprova, we know you can't."

Nothing you type will ever affect President Obama one bit. Nothing you type about me will ever change my life. Cheap shots are always the sign of a weak and feeble mind.

"I can't remember the last time I saw a Volt on the road. A really crappy car."

I'll bet if the truth were revealed, any Volt on the road is better than what you drive.

June 2, 2013 at 9:14 p.m.
patriot1 said...

easyette....I realize you have awesome google skills but I already knew the source. Now, let's not stop there but how do you suppose those decaying plants and animals got there in the first place. Would a little thing like photosynthesis come in to play? And if so where in the universe does that light come from? The sun perhaps? Can you say SOLAR? The next time you're in homeroom, crack open a chemistry book, it'll tell you all about it.

June 2, 2013 at 9:15 p.m.
alprova said...

Patriot1 wrote: "How do you know this alpo, isn't it really solar energy that mother nature has stored for us?"

WTF?

June 2, 2013 at 9:17 p.m.
klifnotes said...

OK, off topic again. Sorry, but this IRS caper is getting curiouser and curiouser:

"Karl Rove Melts Down When Confronted With Evidence of Bush IRS Investigation" :

Plouffe was correct. Liberal groups were also targeted by the IRS. Bloomberg reported that the IRS sent the same letter to Democrats that they sent to tea partiers. The IRS did something to the liberal group Emerge America that they never did to the conservatives. They revoked their tax exempt status.

Stop me if you have heard this one before, but when confronted with evidence of the Bush administration targeting liberal groups, all Rove could do was stammer the word baloney repeatedly. Under George W. Bush, the IRS investigated the NAACP’s tax status for two years. Rove even gave the reason for the payback when he pointed to the Bush administration’s outrage over an ad that the NAACP had run.

It is easy to see why Rove’s Crossroads groups have had so little success taking on the president. David Plouffe ran circles around Karl and his talking points. Rove kept shifting his story so much that he went from blaming Obama to blaming Democratic senators to blaming the culture at the IRS. Rove is supposed be one of the Republican Party’s great spin masters, but even he couldn’t make these IRS allegations stick.

http://www.politicususa.com/karl-rove-turns-sta-confronted-bush-irs-investigations.html

June 2, 2013 at 9:26 p.m.
patriot1 said...

alpo seez ...WTF

alpo, see my post at 9:15 to your buddy easyette....

June 2, 2013 at 9:31 p.m.
klifnotes said...

Jt6gR3hM said... klifnotes said ... RE: csmonitor.com: "West Virginia explosion of a natural gas line wiped out a wide swath of Interstate 77 and flattened homes. No deaths were caused by the West Virginia natural gas explosion, and federal and state authorities are investigating the cause."


You’re attracted to flashes of light, shiny objects, and loud noises ... aren’t you?

Uh, nope. I am attracted and fascinated by the TRUTH, however.

It’s the totality of the death and destruction and not the body count and costs of individual large occurrences.

**Having once witnesed a large electrical transformer explode and catch fire, I can assure you it's nothing remotely close to the damage, injuries and potential loss of life an exploding natural gas line is capable of causing.

June 2, 2013 at 9:32 p.m.
alprova said...

conservative wrote: "alprova, You greatly misunderstood again. I never quoted "Biblical passages pertaining to the issue of fracking and the documented instances of water contamination that has resulted from it" as you put it, I only quoted the two verses."

Uh huh...

"That is strictly an egregiously wrong interpretation by you, I had nothing to do with it."

Sir, I asked you to explain why it was that you made the decision to post them. You didn't like my "interpretation," as to what you were trying to convey.

And again, as is a constant habit with you, you REFUSE to offer a clarifying statement to anything you write.

"Sadly, you were way off on the meaning of those two verses and that is putting it mildly. Try again."

No thanks. I think I hit the nail squarely on the head. I'm not about to enter into yet another tooth pulling session with you.

If you can't simply write English and explain why you felt that those two scriptural references were applicable to today's discussion, let them remain a mystery.

"Hint - the water Jesus mentioned here is not literal, physical water."

Here's a hint for you. Without "literal, physical water," human life becomes extinct, which is what we are discussing today.

I have not a second worth of interest in delving into whatever it is that you have on your mind, unless you want to reveal what that is.

It's never a game of 20 questions with you. It's 1,000 questions and no one ever guesses what it is that you have on your mind.

June 2, 2013 at 9:34 p.m.
fairmon said...

There appears to be a belief that every oil deposit that will ever be formed has already been formed and awaiting discovery. If you believe that you probably also believe erupting volcanoes are the devil making room for new arrivals and oil comes from decaying dinosaur bones.

June 2, 2013 at 9:37 p.m.
Easy123 said...

patriette,

"easyette....I realize you have awesome google skills but I already knew the source."

You didn't know one damn thing.

"Now, let's not stop there but how do you suppose those decaying plants and animals got there in the first place."

The plants and animals can't decay. Oxygen is required for decomposition. They are "cooked" under the pressure and heat of the earths surface.

"Would a little thing like photosynthesis come in to play?"

Only in the energy production of the plants. Yet those plants are dead, thus, photosynthesis is no longer occurring. The biomass created via photosynthesis is what the oil is made of, not solar energy.

"And if so where in the universe does that light come from? The sun perhaps? Can you say SOLAR?"

So you're trying to tell me that oil and coal is stored solar energy because plants use photosynthesis? Yet, the organisms you're speaking of turned to oil over millions of years without so much as seeing a speck of sunlight and have been dead all that time.

"The next time you're in homeroom, crack open a chemistry book, it'll tell you all about it."

The next time you think you know what the hell you're talking about, put the bottle down and read a biology book. It'll tell you all about it.

June 2, 2013 at 9:47 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Is Easy the most pompous A-Hole ever?

June 2, 2013 at 9:51 p.m.
patriot1 said...

Oil and natural gas together make petroleum. Petroleum, which is Latin for “rock oil,” is a fossil fuel, meaning it was made naturally from decaying prehistoric plant and animal remains. It is a mixture of hundreds of different hydrocarbons molecules containing hydrogen and carbon that exist sometimes as a liquid (crude oil) and sometimes as a vapor (natural gas).

Easyette...this is from one of the links you posted....also google (or I know you like wiki) "Conservation of Mass"

June 2, 2013 at 9:55 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Plain_Jack_Dennis,

"Is Easy the most pompous A-Hole ever?"

That's rich coming from the most pompous ass hole ever.

You're beyond oblivious. It's truly amazing to watch you grasp and project your way into a trolling stupor.

I know you're probably tired of getting called out and "bitch-slapped" everyday, but that's your fault. Get used to it.

June 2, 2013 at 9:57 p.m.
Easy123 said...

patriette,

"Oil and natural gas together make petroleum. Petroleum, which is Latin for “rock oil,” is a fossil fuel, meaning it was made naturally from decaying prehistoric plant and animal remains."

The organisms and plants cannot rot because there is no oxygen beneath the sediment. They decay anaerobically with the help of anaerobic bacteria, pressure, and heat into a different substance (petroleum). The biomass/organic material that is subsequently "cooked" is not "solar energy".

"Easyette...this is from one of the links you posted....also google (or I know you like wiki) "Conservation of Mass""

You don't get it. Conservation of mass does not support your claim. Maybe you need to do some extended Googling to understand that "solar energy" is not what is being stored in the form of petroleum.

Please keep going. I love watching people double and triple down on stupid.

June 2, 2013 at 10:04 p.m.
patriot1 said...

Easyette....this plant life which has decayed also had to be alive at some point and they lived as they do today via photosynthesis. You is correct, that's where solar comes in and is precisely what I meant by mother nature storing up some solar energy. Over simplified yes, sorry I confused you.

June 2, 2013 at 10:04 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Patriette,

"Easyette....this plant life which has decayed also had to be alive at some point and they lived as they do today via photosynthesis."

It doesn't matter. Photosynthesis is no longer occurring in the plant. The biomass created by photosynthesis is not "solar energy". That biomass is the product of carbon dioxide, water and sunlight, not "solar energy".

"that's where solar comes in and is precisely what I meant by mother nature storing up some solar energy."

Bullsh!t. You're trying to cover your ass by coming up with some cockamamie story about how you were referring to photosynthesis when you said oil was "stored solar energy". Mother Nature didn't store up any "solar energy". The earth cooked, pressured, and altered organic material into a sludge we call petroleum.

"Over simplified yes, sorry I confused you."

You didn't confuse anyone but yourself. You have no clue what you're talking about. You might as well have said oil/petroleum is stored water.

June 2, 2013 at 10:10 p.m.
alprova said...

patriot1, okay...after a refresher course on how coal and oil deposits were formed, I see your point, but it takes thousands or millions of years for deposits to reform.

There is no way that coal and oil are in any manner considered renewable sources of energy, unless of course, all plant and other life on the planet dies and we are recycled ourselves, with life reappearing thousands or millions of years in the future.

Oil wells date back 154 years. Coal mining allegedly goes way back to Biblical times, but its use peaked in the last century. The production of gasoline and other related and subsequent energy fuels is barely a century old.

At the pace we are pumping and/or mining fossil fuel sources from the ground, the Earth will deplete itself of fossil fuel energy resources eventually.

I'm sure that God created them as well as the brains in our fellow humans who created the technology to utilize them for their maximum potential, but there is more than enough proof out there to arrive at a logical conclusion that they will not support life forever, as a mainstay of energy forever.

Life is all about evolution. We can evolve by choice or we will eventually be forced to evolve, and if the latter becomes reality, a great many people will be sacrificed during the process.

Again, it will probably not occur during the lives of anyone discussing this today, but we each have future generations to consider.

The time for planning for the generations who will be directly affected by this new evolution is today. Dismissing it, making fun of those of us who recognize the need for such planning, is to dismiss many of those who will share your DNA when you are a distant memory.

June 2, 2013 at 10:15 p.m.
patriot1 said...

Alpo says...."There is no way that coal and oil are in any manner considered renewable sources of energy, unless of course, all plant and other life on the planet dies and we are recycled ourselves, with life reappearing thousands or millions of years in the future."

So you're saying once energy is extracted from the earth and used it is gone?

June 2, 2013 at 10:29 p.m.
patriot1 said...

Alpo...."The time for planning for the generations who will be directly affected by this new evolution is today. Dismissing it, making fun of those of us who recognize the need for such planning, is to dismiss many of those who will share your DNA when you are a distant memory."

Alpo, no matter what easyette may tell you, energy cannot be created, lost nor destroyed. Don't stay up nights worrying about it.

June 2, 2013 at 10:41 p.m.
Easy123 said...

patriette,

"Alpo, no matter what easyette may tell you, energy cannot be created, lost nor destroyed."

Energy changes form and can be lost. Petroleum and oil can be depleted.

Your statement about oil being stored solar energy is incorrect. You lack basic understanding of the things you are talking about, especially the law of conservation of energy.

"Don't stay up nights worrying about it."

Because "not worrying about it" has always severed us well in the past, right?

Willful ignorance on your part.

June 2, 2013 at 10:56 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Jt6_quoque,

"http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/59/Landkarte_New_Madrid_Erdbeben.jpg"

You do realize that this link disproves what you said, right?

June 2, 2013 at 11 p.m.
alprova said...

patriot1 wrote: "So you're saying once energy is extracted from the earth and used it is gone?"

Eventually, yes.

"Alpo, no matter what easyette may tell you, energy cannot be created, lost nor destroyed. Don't stay up nights worrying about it."

I'd love to read any proof you could cough up that says that oil and coal are of infinite quantities, and will never be depleted, again, given the rate that they are both being consumed today.

June 2, 2013 at 11:05 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Easy123 said ...

Everyone in the United States benefits from the government.


Is that gross or net?

June 2, 2013 at 11:10 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Jt6_quoque,

Stop sandbagging.

June 2, 2013 at 11:17 p.m.
patriot1 said...

Alpo...matter cannot be created nor destroyed.

June 2, 2013 at 11:26 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Easy123 said ... The plants and animals can't decay.

Easy123 said ... The organisms and plants cannot rot because there is no oxygen beneath the sediment. They decay anaerobically

June 2, 2013 at 11:34 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

From Wiki:

Photosynthesis is a process used by plants and other autotrophic organisms to convert light energy, normally from the sun, into chemical energy that can be used to fuel the organisms' activities.


Photovoltaics (PV) is a method of generating electrical power by converting solar radiation into direct current electricity using semiconductors that exhibit the photovoltaic effect.

Are any of these solar energy?

June 2, 2013 at 11:41 p.m.
alprova said...

patriot1 wrote: "Alpo...matter cannot be created nor destroyed."

Argue that one with God.

June 2, 2013 at 11:44 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

klifnotes said ...

Having once witnesed a large electrical transformer explode and catch fire, I can assure you it's nothing remotely close to the damage, injuries and potential loss of life an exploding natural gas line is capable of causing.


I was right, wasn’t I?

You are greatly fascinated and influenced by bright flashes of light, shiny objects, and loud noises.

June 2, 2013 at 11:45 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

patriot1 wrote: "Alpo...matter cannot be created nor destroyed."

Argue that one with God.


You better not let DaytonsDarwin hear you talking trash like that.

June 2, 2013 at 11:47 p.m.
alprova said...

JT wrote: "Photovoltaics (PV) is a method of generating electrical power by converting solar radiation into direct current electricity using semiconductors that exhibit the photovoltaic effect. Are any of these solar energy?"

Does that example support the scientific theory presented by patriot1 that oil and coal are examples of Mother Nature storing up some solar energy?

Of course not.

Thanks a bunch for offering your usual obligatory contribution that offers nothing to the discussion underway, as a means to confuse and dazzle the audience with your overabundance of bullstuff.

June 2, 2013 at 11:49 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Jt6_quoque,

"Easy123 said ... The plants and animals can't decay."

I was referring to the type of decay/rotting that occurs on the surface of the earth where oxygen is present. That is typically the type of decay/rot that people are referring to when talking about dead plant and animals.

"Easy123 said ... The organisms and plants cannot rot because there is no oxygen beneath the sediment. They decay anaerobically"

Anaerobic decay occurs without the presence of oxygen via bacteria. Anaerobic decay and aerobic decay are two, very different forms of the same process (decay).

June 3, 2013 at 12:04 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Jt6_quoque,

"Photosynthesis is a process used by plants and other autotrophic organisms to convert light energy, normally from the sun, into chemical energy that can be used to fuel the organisms' activities."

Chemical energy isn't solar energy.

"Photovoltaics (PV) is a method of generating electrical power by converting solar radiation into direct current electricity using semiconductors that exhibit the photovoltaic effect."

What does that have to do with photosynthesis or oil and coal being "stored solar energy"?

"Are any of these solar energy?"

Are you drunk or something? Or just sandbagging again?

Show us some more of your ignorance.

June 3, 2013 at 12:07 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

"Chemical energy isn't solar energy."


Is direct current electrical energy solar power?

June 3, 2013 at 12:30 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said ...

Coal mining allegedly goes way back to Biblical times, but its use peaked in the last century.


http://www.indexmundi.com/energy.aspx?product=coal

1980 = 3.6 billion short tons

2011 = 8 billion short tons

June 3, 2013 at 12:47 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Jt6_quoque,

"Is direct current electrical energy solar power?"

Only when that current is produced via a solar panel or other solar related energy production methods.

June 3, 2013 at 12:47 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Jt6_quoque,

"1980 = 3.6 billion short tons"

"2011 = 8 billion short tons"

Alprova is saying that the use of coal has become more common in the last hundred years. And alprova is absolutely correct.

You're sandbagging, right? Or just playing dumb?

June 3, 2013 at 12:53 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said ...

patriot1, okay...after a refresher course on how coal and oil deposits were formed, I see your point, but it takes thousands or millions of years for deposits to reform.

There is no way that coal and oil are in any manner considered renewable sources of energy,


I’m not completely sure but I don’t think patriot1 mentioned “renewable sources of energy” I think he was talking about solar energy.

I’m just saying.

June 3, 2013 at 12:55 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Jt6_quoque,

"I’m not completely sure but I don’t think patriot1 mentioned “renewable sources of energy” I think he was talking about solar energy."

patriot1 stated over and over that energy is neither created nor destroyed in a conversation about oil and coal. He believes oil and coal is "stored solar energy".

"I’m just saying."

You aren't saying anything of substance.

June 3, 2013 at 12:58 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Easy123 said ...

Alprova is saying that the use of coal has become more common in the last hundred years. And alprova is absolutely correct.


No he didn’t, as he said “its (coal) use peaked in the last century”

Peaked means that it reach its apex during the twentieth century and has declined since then. In total usage worldwide it has increased steadily for at least 200 years.

Now if he had mentioned per capita usage (but he didn’t did he?) worldwide he would have been closer as there was a peak in 1920 but we are now passing that milestone at light speed.

http://ourfiniteworld.com/2012/03/12/world-energy-consumption-since-1820-in-charts/

June 3, 2013 at 1:16 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Easy123 said...

Jt6_quoque, - "Is direct current electrical energy solar power?"

Only when that current is produced via a solar panel or other solar related energy production methods.


Isn’t there some number of processes that take place between it being solar radiation and microseconds later it is direct electrical power or millions of years, give or take a few years, and it is oil.

I’m not completely sure but I don’t think the internals of the photovoltaic crystals are exposed to air or sunlight just like decaying vegetation that will someday be oil.

By the way when you cut a wire into and the electrons leak out how do you identify the ones that are solar energy electrons.

If you know what I mean.

June 3, 2013 at 1:33 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Easy: Perhaps all this banter will give you an edge up in your para-legal studies.

June 3, 2013 at 1:44 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Jt6_quoque,

"Peaked means that it reach its apex during the twentieth century and has declined since then."

No, it doesn't. "Peaked", as alprova used it, means that the use of coal (and coal mining) reached it's highest levels in the past 100 years. Alprova is using a larger time scale. Notice how he referenced "Bible times".

"In total usage worldwide it has increased steadily for at least 200 years."

Yet, the boom in coal mining occurred in the late 1800's. Just as alprova was saying.

"Now if he had mentioned per capita usage (but he didn’t did he?) worldwide he would have been closer as there was a peak in 1920 but we are now passing that milestone at light speed."

Again, Alprova is using a larger time scale. Notice his reference to "Biblical times" in the sentence.

Would you like to try again?

June 3, 2013 at 1:44 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Jt6_quoque,

"Isn’t there some number of processes that take place between it being solar radiation and microseconds later it is direct electrical power or millions of years, give or take a few years, and it is oil."

Solar radiation is not oil. Oil is not "stored solar energy". Solar radiation isn't electricity either. The processes you speak of convert sunlight into other forms of energy. How many times do I have to explain it?

"I’m not completely sure but I don’t think the internals of the photovoltaic crystals are exposed to air or sunlight just like decaying vegetation that will someday be oil."

So you believe that converting solar radiation into direct current is equivalent to millions of years of anaerobic bacterial decay, endergonic, pressurized conversion of organic biomass into oil is equivalent?

LMFAO!

"By the way when you cut a wire into and the electrons leak out how do you identify the ones that are solar energy electrons."

There is no such thing as a "solar energy electron".

"If you know what I mean."

You have absolutely no clue what you mean.

June 3, 2013 at 1:55 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Plain_Jack_Dennis,

"Easy: Perhaps all this banter will give you an edge up in your para-legal studies."

I'm wouldn't know considering I'm not studying to become a paralegal. By the way, you don't have to hyphenate paralegal.

Would you like to try again?

June 3, 2013 at 2 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Are there any ABA approved law schools in the Chattanooga area or any that its graduates are allowed to take the Tennessee bar exam?

Just asking.

June 3, 2013 at 2:12 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Jt6_quoque,

"Are there any ABA approved law schools in the Chattanooga area or any that its graduates are allowed to take the Tennessee bar exam?"

There are no law schools in Chattanooga.

"Just asking."

Just telling.

June 3, 2013 at 2:15 a.m.
hambone said...

Nothing but TROLS feeding TROLS !!

June 3, 2013 at 3:20 a.m.
Maximus said...

Alprova like many liberals I know has to seek out ways to be unhappy. His entire "we must begin planning for the worst" and "excess is living your life beyond what are your basic needs" all smack of big government /collective thinking that has been both scientifically, politically, and sociallogically proven to trash the individual while producing a large ineffective bureacratic nightmare government. Alprova, if you are really concerned about our country why not call your suck buddy Obama and tell him that WE ARE BROKE ASS HOLE stop spending money like there is no tomorrow. The current deficit is much more a CURRENT clear and present danger to future generations than your stupid lefty website rantings about oil and coal. Also, it is your freedom you should be worried about not fossil fuels which right now are in great abundance in this country. Again, a group of profit driven individuals will solve the energy challenge not some idiot carbon tax government collective. It is government excess that I am worried about not my own. Solar and wind power are only supplemental answers to our energy needs and are very limited. My Tesla Motors stock has been doing pretty well lately, maybe they are on to something. Profit will be the motivator that lights the spark to our future energy needs and that is a good thing. Believe me I know$$$$$$$$$:). Off to Atlanta this morning to catch a flight to Switzerland. A business trip. Later.

June 3, 2013 at 4:31 a.m.
alprova said...

Maximus wrote: "Alprova like many liberals I know has to seek out ways to be unhappy."

Sir, I am so happy that I often have to sit on my hands to keep from waving at everybody I meet.

"His entire "we must begin planning for the worst" and "excess is living your life beyond what are your basic needs" all smack of big government /collective thinking that has been both scientifically, politically, and sociallogically (sic) proven to trash the individual while producing a large ineffective bureacratic (sic) nightmare government."

Sir, I merely made mention of the fact that I don't live an excessive lifestyle. It was not a condemnation of anyone else who does. Everyone has choices in life. Mine have served me well.

The fact that I have never racked up debt to buy material goods, allowed me to weather the recession rather well, compared to many.

"Alprova, if you are really concerned about our country why not call your suck buddy Obama and tell him that WE ARE BROKE ASS HOLE stop spending money like there is no tomorrow."

Because the President doesn't spend a dime. Congress introduces, debates, votes up or down, approving every single cent that goes out of the Federal coffers.

"The current deficit is much more a CURRENT clear and present danger to future generations than your stupid lefty website rantings about oil and coal."

Why would you care? You're all set for life, aren't you? You're so rich that your entire extended family is set for life...right?

Or am I right that your entire claims are bogus and you really do have a reason to worry?

"Also, it is your freedom you should be worried about not fossil fuels which right now are in great abundance in this country."

I guess you have an ostrich like view, from sticking your head in the sand.

"Again, a group of profit driven individuals will solve the energy challenge not some idiot carbon tax government collective."

Not if the current status quo is maintained by the oil and coal profiteers and those they buy off, who have stifled progress on that front for decades.

"It is government excess that I am worried about not my own."

But of course. You're such a dedicated patriot, rich as the hills, with compassion for all your fellow countrymen.

"Solar and wind power are only supplemental answers to our energy needs and are very limited."

Actually, they are proving to be quite useful.

"My Tesla Motors stock has been doing pretty well lately, maybe they are on to something."

Unless Tesla actually follows through with a cheaper car, as it has promised within three years, and actually delivers more than nine charging stations, Tesla will fail.

"Profit will be the motivator that lights the spark to our future energy needs and that is a good thing. Believe me I know."

Sure you do.

"Off to Atlanta this morning to catch a flight to Switzerland."

Sure you are.

June 3, 2013 at 6:59 a.m.
conservative said...

alprova, you wrote:

"Uh huh..."

Uh huh...

and:

And again, as is a constant habit with you, you REFUSE to offer a clarifying statement to anything you write.

You mean like your "Uh huh..."

and:

"No thanks. I think I hit the nail squarely on the head. I'm not about to enter into yet another tooth pulling session with you."

"Uh huh..." How many times have you told that one? Besides, YOU always start it.

and:

"Here's a hint for you. Without "literal, physical water," human life becomes extinct, which is what we are discussing today.

Uh huh... Well, YOU are wrong again, "we" were not discussing anything, you made silly remarks about Scripture I had quoted.

and:

"Without "literal, physical water," human life becomes extinct, which is what we are discussing today"

Uh huh... So, what does your "I never claimed to own a Leaf. I said an electric car would be perfect for me. My plans include the purchase of an electric vehicle later this year. Right now, I am leaning toward the Chevrolet Volt." have to with the price of eggs in China?

and:

"Sir, with what little respect you deserve, there are people who are considering what it will take to save this planet and all life on it. You live for today and never take the time to consider eventualities."

"Uh huh..." You obviously have either not read or understood Scripture regarding who sustains this planet and all life on it.

June 3, 2013 at 7:06 a.m.
alprova said...

conservative wrote: "You obviously have either not read or understood Scripture regarding who sustains this planet and all life on it."

So I was right after all.

You believe that all we have to do is to put all our trust into Jesus, and no matter what we do to this planet, that he will sustain this planet and all life on it.

After all, there is ample evidence that he lives of Christian people are always protected from harm, from disease, from anything at all, that would cause them to die an unnatural and premature death.

I sure hope that hammer swing didn't give you a headache.

June 3, 2013 at 7:21 a.m.
conservative said...

alprova,

Now back to your:

"Hey...you're too swift for me today. You're going to have to actually take the time to explain what it is that you were trying to convey by quoting Biblical passages pertaining to the issue of fracking and the documented instances of water contamination that has resulted from it."

You have yet to notice that I have not had that discussion with you. I can understand your confusion as you seek to engage just about everyone 24/7.

However, I will say that you are about 2.5 MILLION fracture treatments behind! Perhaps someone will tell you Good Luck!

June 3, 2013 at 7:22 a.m.
conservative said...

alprova,

Are you still sticking to your misinterpretation of a literal physical water in those two verses in spite of me informing you otherwise?

June 3, 2013 at 7:26 a.m.
jesse said...

Con man could derive great benefit from reading Nietzsche's "The Anti- Christ!"

June 3, 2013 at 7:32 a.m.
alprova said...

conservative wrote: "You have yet to notice that I have not had that discussion with you."

Uh huh. That's why I cited the fact that you refused to do so.

"I can understand your confusion as you seek to engage just about everyone 24/7."

Excuse me, but you're bearing false witness.

"However, I will say that you are about 2.5 MILLION fracture treatments behind!"

That in no manner proves that hydraulic fracturing is safe and without issues.

Are you so confident in the safety of fracturing that you would have no problem with a hydraulic fractured well being set up in your back yard?

Oh how silly of me. Of course you wouldn't. Jesus would protect you.

June 3, 2013 at 7:47 a.m.
conservative said...

Uh huh...

June 3, 2013 at 7:50 a.m.
alprova said...

conservative wrote: "Are you still sticking to your misinterpretation of a literal physical water in those two verses in spite of me informing you otherwise?"

Nope. I'm not going to play that game with you.

You cited scripture and clarified why it was that you offered it.

Thank you for the affirmation.

June 3, 2013 at 7:52 a.m.
conservative said...

BTW, Are you still sticking to your misinterpretation of a literal physical water in those two verses in spite of me informing you otherwise?

June 3, 2013 at 7:52 a.m.
alprova said...

JT wrote: "Are there any ABA approved law schools in the Chattanooga area or any that its graduates are allowed to take the Tennessee bar exam?"

Easy123 responded with "There are no law schools in Chattanooga."

Uh oh...

Where will they go now?

June 3, 2013 at 8 a.m.
alprova said...

JT wrote: "No he didn’t, as he said “its (coal) use peaked in the last century”..."

Although I did not make it clear at the time, I was referring to the use of coal in the United States.

I have no knowledge of energy statistics throughout the rest of the world nor the time to research them.

June 3, 2013 at 8:12 a.m.
jesse said...

Easy is in grad school workin on his Phd. in hibatchery!

BUT i will give him this,He would make a GREAT Tort lawer!!

Maybe down the road get into politics!

June 3, 2013 at 8:19 a.m.
fairmon said...

The TFP is fortunate to have this forum. The same people are bible scholars, experts in geology, chemical engineering, psychologist, legal, political, investing and business. Where else could one have access to such intelligence all in one place? It may be difficult to determine who would be valedictorian but Jesse seems to be leaning toward easy as the front runner.

June 3, 2013 at 8:46 a.m.
jesse said...

Maybe con man thinks the answer to SAFE fraking is to use "HOLY WATER"!!Sounds like a plan!

June 3, 2013 at 9:05 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

So it's an on-line law school for Easy, huh? I think I called that shot. Good luck with the bar exam, fool.

June 3, 2013 at 11:07 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

The list of chemicals used in fracking is a trade secret. The only evidence and proof to what some of these chemicals are, has been what has been found in contaminated water supplies.


In the U.S., about 750 compounds have been listed as additives for hydraulic fracturing in a report to the US Congress in 2011. The following is a partial list of the chemical constituents in additives used in fracturing operations, as indicated by the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation.

June 3, 2013 at 11:31 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

^^^ Easy has Wikipedia leased, sorry.

June 3, 2013 at 11:36 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Plain_Jack_Dennis,

Your jealousy is palpable.

Again, I'm flattered to be the bane of your existence, but do you have to make it so obvious that I'm under your skin and in your head?

Carry on, PlainMoron. Troll your little heart out.

June 3, 2013 at 11:47 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

dougmusn said...

Finally, we all need to ask ourselves if our level of consumption is necessary. Selfishness takes many forms.


We must think that a rather high level of consumption is not only necessary but also moral. The fact is that we supplement the income of a vast number of our citizens to the point that the poor in this country out class nearly two thirds of the rest of Earth’s population.

Are we guilty of selfishness to have created a society that allows us on average to live somewhat above the basic subsistence level?

June 3, 2013 at 11:48 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

klifnotes said...

But you can't resist logging on everyday, multiple times throughut the day, to respond? Bennett's cartoons must not be too boring. Otherwise, you wouldn't keep posting your diatribe responses.


Do you personally come for the toons or the delicious selection of high level “intellectual jousting” you always involve yourself in?

June 3, 2013 at 11:53 a.m.
alprova said...

Looking at that list of additives that JT linked to, I don't see very many harmless chemicals on that list. I'll bet most of them have hazardous, poison, or flammable placards on each container.

June 3, 2013 at 12:18 p.m.
jesse said...

Most of Bennetts toons are boring BUT some of the over the top rhetoric is anything but boring!

It's intertaining to watch the so called "high level thinkers" on here flex their all knowing attitude!

June 3, 2013 at 12:18 p.m.
conservative said...

Still have not figured it out alprova?

But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst ; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life John 4:14

June 3, 2013 at 12:20 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Hey Ease: Not jealous by a long shot, fool. It's your skin that's being burrowed. Go study Torts 101. You should be ready for the bar in about 14 years. Bwahahaha

June 3, 2013 at 12:25 p.m.
jesse said...

AL!! I know you know this BUT if you say "good morning" to con man he's gonna be layin bible verses on our arz the rest of the day and maybe all week!!

June 3, 2013 at 12:30 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Conservative IS a Bible spoutin son of a gun. But that's ok.

June 3, 2013 at 12:32 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Plain_Jack_Dennis,

"Hey Ease: Not jealous by a long shot, fool."

You're jealous and it shows, PlainMoron.

"It's your skin that's being burrowed."

Is that why you're obsessed with me? You even wonder about me when I'm not here. LMFAO!

I'm under your skin and in your little brain too. That's why all you do is try to troll me. I'm the bane of your existence on the TFP. That's why you keep begging me to leave.

"Go study Torts 101. You should be ready for the bar in about 14 years. Bwahahaha"

Ouch! How will I ever recover from that BRUTAL insult?! Bwahahahahaha!

Would you like to try again, fool?

June 3, 2013 at 12:45 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

You deserve all you get because you are a lying sociopath. Plain truth, pal.

June 3, 2013 at 12:47 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Plain_Jack_Dennis,

"You deserve all you get because you are a lying sociopath."

What is it that I'm getting? Your inane insults are of no consequence to me. Anyone can see that I'm obviously in your head. You have directed nearly all of your posts under this cartoon at me.

You're the lying sociopath, PlainMoron. I've made that clear already. You've changed your screen name multiple times. You lie outright. All you do is troll.

"Plain truth, pal."

You wouldn't know the "plain truth" if it crawled out of your ass.

Try again, fool.

June 3, 2013 at 12:50 p.m.
Leaf said...

Oh yeah? I know you are, but what am I? Phththththptd.

-- thought I'd bring the level of discourse up to the 3rd grade.

June 3, 2013 at 1:27 p.m.
klifnotes said...

Jt6gR3hM said... klifnotes said ... Having once witnesed a large electrical transformer explode and catch fire, I can assure you it's nothing remotely close to the damage, injuries and potential loss of life an exploding natural gas line is capable of causing.

I was right, wasn’t I?

You are greatly fascinated and influenced by bright flashes of light, shiny objects, and loud noises.


Actually, you're tragically WRONG!

That's akin to saying an individual is fascinated and influenced by earthquakes, hurricanes and tornadoes because they happened to be around when one occured.

How about, I'm AWARE? ;)

June 3, 2013 at 2:26 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Easy: I've never told a single lie on here. You, however are a habitual liar. For the sake of the other posters here, I choose to lay-off you for a bit. but it will be hard to avoid picking the low hanging fruit.

June 3, 2013 at 3:05 p.m.
fairmon said...

I am amazed at the number of frigging fracking experts here when the EPA says it can be done safely. One thing for sure is we won't use it up if we don't access it. The local experts have that right. I can't say I blame the nay sayers, I also don't trust the government.

June 3, 2013 at 3:44 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Plain_Jack_Dennis,

"Easy: I've never told a single lie on here."

That's a lie. I've brought up a few examples in the past, including the egregious deceitfulness you showed when you changed screen names multiple times.

"You, however are a habitual liar."

That's lie number two. I have never lied here.

"For the sake of the other posters here, I choose to lay-off you for a bit."

You're choosing to lay off because you're tired of getting, and I quote you, "bitch-slapped" everyday. And probably because you realize how desperate, obsessed and jealous you've looked, especially during the two days this cartoon has been up; not to mention how ignorant you've shown yourself to be with, among other things, your idiocy regarding law school and grad school.

"but it will be hard to avoid picking the low hanging fruit."

You haven't touched me, fool. You've been trying to get on my level for months now. You sill ain't sh!t, Jack. And that's the plain truth. Bwahahahahaha!

Aren't you going to beg me to leave first?

June 3, 2013 at 3:48 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said ...

Sublette County, Wyoming was the first site of groundwater contamination to be documented by a federal agency, the U.S. Bureau of Land Management, in 2008. Water from more than 88 drinking wells was contaminated and found to contain benzene, a chemical that causes leukemia, at concentrations up to 1,500 times a safe level.


CASPER, Wyo. — A water-monitoring program in Sublette County recently detected pollutants exceeding state standards in three water wells near a large nearby natural gas field.

But state and federal officials say pollutants detected in the area have actually dropped significantly over time.

In a March report to the federal Bureau of Land Management, the Sublette County Conservation District reported that three non-drinking water wells out of about 250 tested showed either diesel-range organics or benzene exceeding state standards.

Each was completed about 500 feet farther below ground than a standard domestic or livestock drinking well, and each is pumped at a much higher capacity.

Whether the detections present any cause for concern is unclear.

A past report by the district showed that at least 27 wells in which hydrocarbon constituents had been detected — both exceeding and below drinking-water standards — in 2012 showed no detection of the same materials.

http://billingsgazette.com/news/state-and-regional/wyoming/sublette-county-water-wells-show-lessening-polution/article_0f2e45fe-8ea5-5639-96ba-9327f02be29c.html#ixzz2VAdJoDOR

As July 2008, domestic wells in the PAPA have always met or exceeded applicable water quality standards for both benzene and other hydrocarbons.

A stock well within the PAPA recently tested positive for toluene. However, the level of toluene detected was well below the approved limit for drinking water.

A single industrial well in the PAPA recently tested positive for levels of benzene in excess of drinking water standards.

Investigative efforts have been focused on the lack of backflow prevention devices between storage tanks and industrial water wells, the use of hydrocarbon-based pipe dope compounds in well construction, problematic water well drilling techniques, and natural sources of contamination.

http://www.energyindepth.org/PDF/Frac_Fiction_May%2018.pdf

June 3, 2013 at 4:35 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said ...

The town of Dimock, Pennsylvania began to have water bottles delivered to them by Cabot Oil & Gas after the company’s fracking contaminated the entire town’s water supply in 2009. Pennsylvania’s Department of Environmental Protection (D.E.P.) began to investigate after people felt dizzy whenever they showered, when their “water started turning brown and making them sick, one woman’s water well spontaneously combusted, and horses and pets mysteriously began to lose their hair.”


On Jan. 1, 2009, the cap of a natural gas well located in Dimock Twp., Pa. “exploded with some force,” compromising a concrete slab that was positioned on top of a private water well

The disturbance caused no injuries, but the resulting investigation by the Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection (DEP) found small traces of methane gas in the air and in three private wells in the area. According to DEP spokesman Mark Carmon, the level of methane present in the wells was not sufficiently high so as to be considered harmful.

A full investigation of the incident and its possible impacts was commissioned almost immediately, with DEP conducting water quality tests on more than 20 separate residences. Mike Bedrin, DEPʼs northeast regional director, said in the release that three area residents had alerted the department about potential infiltration of natural gas into their drinking water

Despite the fact that all test samples had not yet been returned for analysis, DEP served the operator in the area with a “notice of violation” on February 27, claiming its drilling activities in the vicinity of the home of Dimock resident Ronald Carter had caused local wells to be contaminated with methane.

One month after the DEP had issued its notice of violation to the local operator, the agency reversed its position – as completed tests analyzing the waterʼs content of dissolved solids, chlorides, pH, alkalinity, hardness, sodium, calcium, barium, iron, manganese, potassium and aluminum showed no indication of water contamination due to hydraulic fracturing.

Despite the reversal, the energy operator in question continues to provide drinking water for homes in the area that have experienced elevated levels of methane.

http://www.energyindepth.org/PDF/Frac_Fiction_May%2018.pdf

June 3, 2013 at 5:05 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

nooga said... Hey Maxipad good call on the Tesla stock, it only closed down 5.17 that's five dollars and seventeen cents today and they're predicting if Apple doesn't acquire it they're done for. Anymore insider trading info you wanna pass along, have a nice trip to La La land.


Tesla’s stock has gained 188% so far this year.

It has dropped from $114 last week to $91 today due to a sell off as investors engaged in profit taking.

Its long term prospects are rated as good but they have yet to prove anything to me beyond being an expensive toy for first adapters.

June 3, 2013 at 5:27 p.m.
fairmon said...

The Dimrock, PA fiction is from a movie.

June 3, 2013 at 6:55 p.m.
dude_abides said...

nooga said... "Hey Maxipad good call on the Tesla stock, it only closed down 5.17 that's five dollars and seventeen cents today and they're predicting if Apple doesn't acquire it they're done for. Anymore insider trading info you wanna pass along, have a nice trip to La La land."

Say it ain't so! LMAO! Down goes maximus! Down goes maximus!

June 3, 2013 at 7:04 p.m.
dude_abides said...

So, Jt, are you saying that maximus was correct to brag about this stock when it had lost $18 in value during the week in question? Or are you agreeing that he's an idiot?

June 3, 2013 at 7:23 p.m.
dude_abides said...

maximus to cab driver outside Sikhuphe International: "But the brochure said Switzerland!"

June 3, 2013 at 7:31 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

nooga said...

You fckn wing nuts amaze me, facts just don't matter to you at all. Maxipad, the oil drilled in America goes on the international market for sale to the highest bidder.


That is true but the actual price includes transportation cost to the purchaser's facilities. That is why we receive most of our oil from the Western hemisphere and not so much from the Middle East. Europe on the other hand gets their’s primarily from the middle East, North Africa and Russia.

Canada is watching to see if we construct the needed oil delivery infrastructure on our side of the border to transport their oil. If not they will just take it to the West coast and sell it to China. At that point it would have no greater transport costs to do it that way.

June 3, 2013 at 7:48 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

dude_abides said...

So, Jt, are you saying that maximus was correct to brag about this stock when it had lost $18 in value during the week in question? Or are you agreeing that he's an idiot?


I don't know if he was involved in the “profit taking” but anyone should be happy to have their stock rise by 188% in 5 months even if it has a temporary slide. He would still be much ahead of the game. However as I said before I don’t think tesla is an attractive product or stock for me. Just like you and nooga I have no idea if he’s who he claims or for that matter you two as well and I pretty much don’t care about other poster’s material, educational, cultural, or social details.

June 3, 2013 at 8 p.m.
alprova said...

It's been a fun debate, but the bottom line is that fracking is going to continue no matter my opinion or anyone else's, so we're spinning our wheels for nothing.

As far as I know, no fractured wells are near this area, and if it stays that way, I'll rest easier.

No one can convince me that pumping all those chemicals into the ground does not leave something underground and that every drop of those chemicals is recovered. So I am very suspicious of the process.

If and when I find out that there are wells in this area, I'll be testing my water very regularly and not taking the word of the water company's report that I get in the mail once a year.

I've got enough health problems as it is without adding poisons into my body.

June 3, 2013 at 8:11 p.m.
klifnotes said...

fairmon said... I am amazed at the number of frigging fracking experts here when the EPA says it can be done safely


But will fracking be done correctly, even if that's at all possible? Or will they go the way of the Texas oil boom of the earlier 1920s (Mahala(Mahalia(?)) Texas? Where the land was over processed oil production, which would have lasted for the next 100+ years of properly done correct, went into a bust within only a matter of a few years. At the height of the oil production they were producting thousands of barrels of oil a day. That dwindled down to less than a fraction. The land was left damaged and polluted. People who in the beginning refused to sell their land were either run off or killed, some say. That's another part missing from the American chapter in history. Greed always overtake common sense.

June 3, 2013 at 8:19 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Jt... maximus said "My Tesla Motors stock has been doing pretty well lately, maybe they are on to something."

How should we define lately? Is it slippery vague? Down $18 in a week wouldn't cause me to crow about its performance "lately".

Jt said... "Just like you and nooga I have no idea if he’s who he claims or for that matter you two as well..."

I can't remember 'we two' claiming to be anything/body, and if your jury is still out on maximus, I suggest you move for a mistrial!

June 3, 2013 at 8:24 p.m.
alprova said...

I've got to hand it to JT: Since her reinvention and reappearance, she has not gone very personal on people. She still likes to contradict just about everyone, with whatever she can dig up, if it in any manner contradicts them, but she doesn't get personal about it.

Max is a total phony and I doubt anyone believes what he posts, but you never know. No one running three businesses, as he claims to do, has enough free time on their hands to post like he does.

I run one full time and have two part-time ventures that keep me quite busy during the day. I take two days a week and set aside time during those days for R&R.

Max is no closer to Switzerland than I am at the moment.

June 3, 2013 at 8:47 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Max is in Geneva. Alabama

June 3, 2013 at 8:59 p.m.
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