published Thursday, June 13th, 2013

5-at-10: U.S. Open, LeBron, and Happy Birthday "Bull Durham"

We have a soft spot for a slew sports-related things.

We love the draft. You know this. We embrace and are drawn to the pressure that comes with the best in sports on the biggest stages in their crafts. We hold dear sports movies and 1980s movies. And you know who has two digits in his online persona and loves theme shows? This 5-at-10.

So, as we head into a great golf weekend with fingers crossed that weather will subside and we will have a Sunday finish, we have other items to discuss.

Among them is the fact that Saturday is the 25th anniversary of the release of "Bull Durham" — a movie that we can argue is as true and genuine and pure as almost any sports movie. (Sure, the last 20 minutes that make it a borderline chick-flick are distracting, but still. And know this, we've seen that movie so many times, we are quoting it from memory.)

So with that in mind, let's go theme show, and Happy Birthday to Crash, Nuke, Annie, and you Larry Hockett should remember us because five years ago in the Texas League you were pitching for El paso and I was hitting cleanup for Shreveport and you hund aslider on a 0-2 pitch in the a 3-2 game in the bottom of the 8th.... and we tattooed it over the Goodyear Tire sign to beat you 4-3.

From the "Talks too much" studios, it's a long season and you've got to trust it.

The Open

"Hundred bucks says I can get us a rainout for tomorrow." — Crash Davis

Here's hoping everyone is safe in Merion when the hard weather arrives today.

Here's hoping after that, we get enough golf in that we can finish on Sunday. There's nothing better in golf than the pressure of Sunday. If they finish on Monday, the pressure will be the same for the players, but the feel will assuredly be different.

We'll post all of the entries for our Open contest later this morning — we're running a little late this morning, sue us — and we can get those around.

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    Phil Mickelson signs autographs after a practice round for the U.S. Open Championship golf tournament in Bethesda, Md., Tuesday, June 14, 2011. (AP Photo/Matt Slocum)

That said, here's our pick:

First-round leader: Phil Mickelson

Winner: Dustin Johnson

We wanted to pick Phil Mickelson to win it too. (And the Mrs. 5-at-10 did.)

We picked Johnson, but we kind of want Mickelson to win. Call us a sucker for the left-handers (R.I.P. Kim King). Call us a sucker for the emotional storyline that will be Mickelson's midweek red-eye round trip to see his daughter graduate from middle school. Whatever.

(Side note: We have mad respect for Mickelson's dedication for being a dad. We need more of that as a society. That said, when did we get to the point that kids can graduate from every school. The lil' 5-at-10 had a preschool graduation for crying out loud. We get the high school graduation. And college graduation was one of our proudest days before becoming a dad — even if the old joke goes that if you drive slow enough around Auburn, Ala., with your windows down, eventually they'll throw a diploma in your car. Where were we?)


Mr. James to the white courtesy phone, Mr. LeBron James to the courtesy phone, please

"You got to play this game with fear and arrogance, that's the key." — Crash Davis after Nuke gets called up to the show.

Is there a way to overstate what tonight's Game 4 means for the Miami Heat, who are down 2-1 in the NBA Finals? In turn, is there any way to overstate what this means for LeBron James, the best player on the planet who has been rather pedestrian through the first three games of this series?

James was tentative and at times confused in Game 3, a destruction that left guys like Gary Neal and Danny Green answering questions breaking NBA records.

James acknowledged that he has to play worlds better. Stevie Wonder also can see that.

What's the ceiling here and what's the basement? If LeBron drops bombs, Game 3 is a blip; if LeBron bombs, it drops his profile.

We're keeping the faith; we think LeBron delivers with a monster. Something in the neighborhood of 30-plus-15-10. The numbers are not the crux of James' success or struggles tonight — the numbers rarely are for LeBron. Tonight the hallmakr of his success will be measured by efficiency — his and the Heat's — and that's how it should be in team sports.

That said, call us curious about it, and not any where near as certain as we were two weeks ago.

(Side Bull Durham note: The above quote is one of the best scenes in the movie, and it jumpstarts the fight on the bus between Crash and Nuke, and leads to some of these classic one-liners:

"Dang we hate people that get the words wrong."

"When you were a baby the Gods reached down and turned your right arm into a thunderbolt. You got a Hall of Fame arm and your pee-ing it away."

"I ain't pee-ing nothing away. I got a Porsche already. A 911 with quadraphonic Blaupunkt."

"Yeah I was in the show. I was in the show for 21 days once — 21 greatest days of my life. You know your never touch your luggage in the show, someone else handles your bags. It was great. You hit white balls for batting practice. The ball parks are like cathedral. All the hotels have room service and all the women have long legs and brains."


Are you Kidding?

"Scare 'em. They're kids, scare 'em. That's what I'd do." — Crash Davis

Jason Kidd retired from the NBA on June 3. Today he is the head coach of the Brooklyn Nets.


Hey, Kidd is a Hall of Famer and one of the top five or seven point guards ever. Still, other than maybe some youth league stuff, he's never coached. NEVER coached.

How is this a good idea, again?

Hey, maybe it will work. We doubt it, but coaching success in the NBA today is measured differently considering at least six coaches who guided their teams to the playoffs were not retained and three coaches who either had franchise-best seasons or were NBA coach of the year were dismissed.

So it goes.

Side note: We're pretty surprised that Ron Shelton, a former minor league baseball player who wrote and directed "Bull Durham," did not try to put together a sequel with Crash Davis as a manager trying to get to the big leagues. Hey, there's still time. And it's not like Kevin Costner's price tag is as high as it once was.


This and that

— "You don't respect yourself, and that's your problem. But you don't respect the game and that's my problem." Have you seen the USGA commercials for picking up the pace of the game of golf. They are here. We enjoy playing golf, and we may be the fastest player we've ever come across, so pace of play is a pet peeve of the 5-at-10. And it's a real problem with the game.

— "We're eight and 16. How'd we ever win eight?" Hey, at least we can feel safe that the Braves won't see the juggernaut that is the San Diego Padres in the playoffs. Go see Shamu and get on the plane. You stay classy, San Diego.

— "A player on a streak has got to respect the streak." We admittedly do not know a great deal about hockey, but we got sucked into the marathon, triple-overtime drama as the Blackhawks edged the Bruins that was Game 1 of the Stanley Cup Finals last night. Spy, is there any way this series doesn't go seven games?


Today's question

Gang, remember Friday's mailbag. We have a spot or two open.

Feel free to discuss all of the above and offer your predictions on what LeBron will do and how Game 4 of the Finals will play out tonight.

As for the question, well, in honor of Bull Durham star Kevin Costner, let's try a Bo Jackson of sports movies Rushmore. Who are the four guys who have the biggest and best collection of sports movies?

Costner is there with Bull Durham, Tin Cup, Field of Dreams and For Love of the Game.

Wesley Snipes is definitely there with Major League, Wildcats, White Men Can't Jump, The Fan.

There are comedy choices to be made. Do you take Sandler (Happy Gilmore, Waterboy, a terrible remake of Longest Yard) or Woody Harrelson (Wildcats, White Men Can't Jump, Semi-Pro) or even Will Farrell (Semi-Pro, Blades of Steel, Ricky Bobby)?

Here's a sneaky one: Dennis Quaid, who was in Breaking Away, The Rookie and Any Given Sunday.

Whatcha got?

about Jay Greeson...

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orangeguy said...

These Braves are frustrating for sure. How bad is the NL East?

Costner, Sandler, Snipes, & off the board with Will Smith for Ali & Legend of Bagger Vance.

RIP Jason Leffler. The pictures of the NASCAR driver with his 5 year old son are just gut wrenching. Prayers for that family.

June 13, 2013 at 10:26 a.m.
MocTastic said...

Here is an old school one, Jimmy Stewart. Jimmy played Monty Stratton in The Stratton Story, about the MLB pitcher who shot himself in the leg and made it back to the minors with a prosthetic leg. Jimmy also played Dutch Holland in Strategic Air Command who is a major league player called back into the Air Force to serve his country. Jimmy also played a professional ice skater in The Ice Follies.

Also checking in is Ronald Reagan, the President, who played MLB pitcher Grover Cleveland Alexander in The Winning Team and George Gip in Knute Rockne All American. He also portrayed a VMI baseball player in Brother Rat. Ronald also played college football and was captain of the college swim team. He literally could be on Mt Rushmore, I doubt Adam Sandler ever will be.

Gotta keep it old school for those of you who think Adam Sandler is old.

June 13, 2013 at 10:40 a.m.
chas9 said...

It's a long season, AND it's a long game. Bull Durham's only 108 glorious minutes. while the Boston Globe reports that MLB games this year are tied for the longest ever, almost three hours. Who's got the time?

But I would take my time with Annie, with her long legs and brains and all. I do believe in long, slow, deep, wet kisses that last three days, after all.

Don't think he ranks above your nominees, but Burt Reynolds deserves an honorable mention for Longest Yard, Stroker Ace, and Semi-Tough. Moreover, a loose interpretation of "sports" might allow Deliverance, Hooper, Cannonball Run and Bandit. I'll take Woody over Adam any day.

June 13, 2013 at 10:48 a.m.
LaughingBoy said...

Woody Harrelson also for Kingpin. A few more candidates:

Denzel Washington-He Got Game, The Hurricane, Remember the Titans

Paul Newman-The Color of Money, Slap Shot, The Hustler, a couple of other minor ones too

Tom Cruise-The Color of Money, All the Right Moves, Jerry Maguire, Days of Thunder, loose sports for Rainman (gambling)

Stallone-All the Rocky movies, Death Race 2000, Paradise Alley (wrestling), Over the Top (arm wrestling),

Honorable mention to Hillary Swank, Million Dollar Baby and one of the Karate Kid sequels

I can see another Spurs wipeout tonight especially if Parker is available and can do much of anything.

June 13, 2013 at 10:54 a.m.
TNBuck said...

Since John Candy was discussed yesterday, I feel a Cool Runnings reference is necessary.

Not Rushmore, but maybe worth a mention is Mark Walhberg - The Fighter (in my top 5), Basketball Diaries, and Boogie Nights.

June 13, 2013 at 11:18 a.m.
LaughingBoy said...

Mark Wahlberg in the movie about the bartender who made the Eagles roster, too, can't remember the name.

June 13, 2013 at 11:29 a.m.
jgreeson said...


Great lists so far.

Orange —

Concur about Leffler.

MT —

As you pointed out, Reagan does get extra points since he could actually be on a Rushmore at some point.

9er —

Pace of play is a huge problem for golf and for baseball. And if they want to keep young people interested, each sport better address those issues ASAP.

And we also believe the novels of Susan Sontag are self-indulgent overrated crap.

LB —

Cruise is a sneaky good choice. And Newman had a couple of car racing films, too.

And one that must be considered that Paschall threw out this morning is Chelcie Ross, who has supporting roles in Hoosiers, Major League and Rudy — which combines for a stout trio.

TNBuck —

And remembering our family-oriented nature, what sport is involved with Boogie Nights, exactly.

Wait, don't answer that.

— 5-at-10

June 13, 2013 at 11:31 a.m.
jgreeson said...

LB —

Good call. Invincible is the name of the Vince Papale story.

June 13, 2013 at 11:32 a.m.
MocTastic said...

Speaking of Invincible, our Moc footballer Cosmos (Cos) DeMatteo was in Invincible and in the remake of The Longest Yard.

June 13, 2013 at 11:43 a.m.
chas9 said...

LB--If we're counting gambling as a sport (and why not?), we'll have to include all the .007's. Especially if we add in sports car driving, skiing, skydiving, scuba, marksmanship, martial arts, drinking and horizontal sport.

Baseball might take three hours, but I'm guessing a Sontag novel might take three months. Anybody ever read one?

June 13, 2013 at 11:49 a.m.
BIspy4 said...

As 5 knows, I know a college head coach who happens to be a fair golfer on the side and we discussed slow play one day. His take? I'll give the redacted (i.e., FOIB) version, particularly on how long collegiate golfers take to line up a putt. "What are they looking at? How long does it take to line up a putt?" Mind you, this is from somebody whose handicap was once down to a 2.

June 13, 2013 at 12:01 p.m.
LaughingBoy said...

I'm thinking Boogie Nights had a character who roller skated, maybe that's the connection.

June 13, 2013 at 12:04 p.m.
MocTastic said...

JG, you left out a movie for Kevin Costner, American Flyers, he protrayed a bicycle racer in the movie.

June 13, 2013 at 12:25 p.m.
JonathanMCook said...


Been off the radar on purpose today due to the fact nothing grabbed me today (regarding the 5 @ 10) and I'm brain-freezed regarding today's rushmore.

My only reason for posting has to do with the recent "this just in" when I refreshed the TFP for new stories. Apparently James Stovall has changed his mind about Annapolis and decided to play in Scrappy Town. Given his position listed, I was kinda hoping to get MT's or Stewwie's (or anyone else with Blue -n- Gold interests) takes as it appears this guy maybe Silk -n- Jacob's "new target" for this fall.

June 13, 2013 at 12:58 p.m.
BIspy4 said...

What's got me brain-freezed is three overtimes and a double deflection fluke goal at the end. Son of a ... heynow.

June 13, 2013 at 1:20 p.m.
MocTastic said...

Stovall was highly regarded out of high school. WR is a position that the Mocs while having a full compliment of, none of them have really emerged as game changers. Note that he is supposedly 6-2, that is very good size even at a Div I-A school for a WR. Don't forget, when you have read everything to read here, stop by and talk Mocs sports...(hope the little advertisement is okay with JG ) Stovall in theory could be redshirted, the Naval Prep School does not count against college eligibility.

June 13, 2013 at 1:32 p.m.
Stewwie said...

[James was tentative and at times confused in Game 3, a destruction that left guys like Gary Neal and Danny Green answering questions breaking NBA records.]

LeBron needs to at least take the open jump shot when they give it to him...and they gave him lots of open space in Game 3 that he didn't take advantage of. Green and Neal had the games of their lives in Game 3, but the shooting clinic won't spill over into Game 4. I am pulling for the Spurs in this series, but I think the Heat will win tonight. LeBron is going to give his all in this game...he's come a long way from quitting on the Cavs in 2010.

JMC, I like the Stovall pickup for the Mocs. Agreed with MT that none of the Mocs WRs have been game changers so we need someone who can fill that role. According to the brief TFP report, Stovall will have 4 years of eligibility remaining.

June 13, 2013 at 2:02 p.m.
jgreeson said...

From friend of the show StuckinKent

Football takes longer to play than baseball. Football has huddles, time stopping when a guy goes out of bounds or throws an incomplete pass, etc. Why does football get a pass when baseball does not on length (and pace) of play?

College baseball has a pitch clock. Once a guy steps on the mound, he has 20 seconds to pitch the ball. Seems reasonable. Speeds up the game a little bit, but doesn't do anything drastic to the overall style of play. I think baseball should do that at the major league level.

Planning on live-tweeting the game tonight?

June 13, 2013 at 2:03 p.m.
MocTastic said...

Now this is interesting...seeing some info on the twitter wires about ESPN is trying to put together an annual 10 team FCS weekend of games before Labor Day that would not count against the normal schedule. It would pit teams that normally do not play against each other and be televised.

June 13, 2013 at 2:22 p.m.
jgreeson said...

Loud noises.


James Stovall is a great, Great, GREAT get for the Mocs. Dude will contribute right away. May be the best WR on the Mocs roster right now — Silk included.

Stewwie —

Spot on that LBJ has come a long way since 2010.

We're hoping for drama tonight — and for LBJ bringing the goods.

And yes Stuck, we're planning on some Twitterisms tonight. (Yes, Spy we made up Twitterisms.)

MT —

This is our forum — all of us — and any suggested reading is more than appreciated. If you are interested, pass it along. That said, we only dislike two types of people — those intolerant of other cultures and the Dutch.

— 5-at-10

June 13, 2013 at 2:43 p.m.
JonathanMCook said...


thanks for the plug. ::Blasphemy:: did not know that existed.

You too Stewwie.

I did read the part about four years eligability but read that to mean he's burned off one year and could not be redshirted. I guess we'll see.

And you two are right about no WRs actually breaking out. All I know is we need at least two reliable targets. I grant you there can only be one Jerry Rice but anything close would be great.

June 13, 2013 at 2:49 p.m.
JonathanMCook said...


Interesting indeed.

The pessimist in me: Why would ESPN want to offer premo broadcasting rights for of all things the FCS? It kinda puts inside my head the image of a Duke or Lord offering a fully-cooked stuffed goose with all the sides to the fifs or peasants.

The optimist in me: CHATTANOOGA VERSUS NORTH DAKOTA STATE! THE SCRAPPY MOCS VERSUS THE "ALABAMA" OF FCS FOOTBALL (in regards to fanbase. Seriously, if you see their fanbase "live" like I did = CRA-zie!). And they do travel well = $$$$$$ in the chambers pockets.

Okay, that was a major "stretch" but still.

June 13, 2013 at 3:02 p.m.
mcpell3 said...

While we are talking mocs football, I ran across a nice article on regarding BJ Coleman. It seems he is moving up the ladder with the Pack.

June 13, 2013 at 3:09 p.m.
MocTastic said...

Why? What other football is on that weekend? FBS football hasn't started...and NFL teams are playing exhibition games that nobody cares about with players that won't make the teams. FCS games would be comparatively cheap to produce and put on tv.

June 13, 2013 at 3:18 p.m.
BIspy4 said...

You want to know what's not fun?

Trying laying on the pavement of a south Georgia parking lot with your head under a co-worker's van, trying to find the kitten that's crawled up into the undercarriage. That ... is not fun.

June 13, 2013 at 3:19 p.m.
Stewwie said...

[Why does football get a pass when baseball does not on length (and pace) of play?]

Stuck, I would say it's because you are getting a play executed every 40 seconds in football. In baseball, you're lucky if you get any real action within 40 seconds of the batter coming up. (I'm not counting a simple pitch as being a "play" in baseball.) You might see 2 pitches max in 40 seconds which usually isn't enough to produce a play. Come to think of it, why do they need 4 balls and 3 strikes? It would help speed up the action if there's a walk on the 2nd ball or a strikeout on the 2nd strike. If baseball enacted those changes, I might actually start watching it again.

June 13, 2013 at 3:49 p.m.
TNBuck said...

Sir 5-er, Would you be so kind as to post the final US Open entries when you have a moment?

Stewwie, sounds like you're ready to go 2000's softball on us...just starting with a 2-1 count. Let's call foul balls with 2 strikes a K too. That'd help Struggla in the sense some others in baseball might get near his K total.

June 13, 2013 at 4:23 p.m.
JonathanMCook said...

Assuming anyone is left to read this, Frierson done posted 17-18 minutes ago an image from Steven Fox's Twitter account. Apparently he's in fourth behind Mickelson

W-T-F??? O_o

June 13, 2013 at 5:49 p.m.
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