published Thursday, June 20th, 2013

The Evidence Room

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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Once again, a lefty thinks Bush is still POTUS. Get over Bush, will you.

June 20, 2013 at 12:35 a.m.

Obama is at best incompetent and negligent. He's certainly detached.

June 20, 2013 at 12:39 a.m.
AndrewLohr said...

What evidence would impress you? Not what I offer, which I'm sure you know, but what would?

On Solyndra, the conservative tale is that the company was asked to keep quiet about layoffs until after the A.D. 2010 election. Maybe not illegal, but politics with tax dollars?

On the IRS, we hear Bush met with his IRS boss once, Obama 157 times. And we're to believe Obama had nothing to do with what went on there?

(A National Review Online article by an inspector general who was fired at one hours' notice for insisting on investigating an Obama donor who had apparently misspent a grant suggested that the threat of this kind of pressure is keeping IGs from doing their jobs.)

On Benghazi, we hear the regime blamed a Jewish filmmaker and put him in jail. (One of these days I oughtta watch the film.) They revised their memo a dozen times, and substantively. They made no military effort. The most transparent administration in history has not told us how the commander-in-chief used the time between when he heard of the attack and when he heard it had succeeded.

(I can understand Obama knowing it'd take a couple days to put together a military plan and diplomatic agreement, and that he didn't have a couple days, and if he got into a Black Hawk down situation the GOP would pester him for that. But hey. The President is C-in-C so he can react fast in an emergency, and now we have phones. Call Joe Wilson and Michelle Bachman and ask them to go on record backing his effort and promising not to unduly second guess. Send in the F-18s, or whatever could reach Benghazi in time, and tell Hillary to earn her pay soothing ruffled feathers afterward. President Jackson, call your office.)

Fast and furious: sending guns to criminals is a good idea? Why is Holder still holding office?

The problem isn't just with the details, but with the system. The tax laws (and other laws) are too complicated. Crony capitalism sucks: let people risk their own money. The border is porous. (Send them alligators instead of guns; if gators can live in Florida we can probably build them some swamps along the Rio Grande :) The State Department is too big: Washington had Thomas Jefferson and 7 clerks with quill pens, Lincoln had Seward and 33 clerks. Shrink D.C. and shrink the problems. Turn Christian and solve them.

June 20, 2013 at 12:47 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

THE BOY WHO CRIED WOLF

Darrell Issa, Chairman of the House Oversight Committee (!) says he is deeply disappointed that fellow committee member Elijah Cummings released the full transcript of the interview with the IRS screening manage at the center of the scandal.

He isn’t disappointed because of a security breach or procedural faux pas. He is disappointed because he’s been saying for weeks that based on testimony before the committee, the White House was very likely directing the IRS to target tea bagger applications for tax except status. Rumors spread about a White House enemies list, how it was part of a larger conspiracy to target republicans on behalf of the Democrats.

The transcripts tell a different story. In fact a completely different story having nothing to do with what Issa and the conservative newsy shows have been screaming about for weeks. Nothing.

The agent in question is a self-described conservative republican. He had no communication on the targeting with any senior IRS officials or with anyone in Washington or the Obama administration. He was merely doing his job in reviewing groups seeking tax exemtions.

This is not a difference of a legal opinion or a subjected disagreement. Issa couldn’t find evidence to support his claims so he released selected portions of testimony cherry picked to support his lies.

Too bad we can’t sue for political malpractice. What a waste of tax dollars.

I want my money back.

June 20, 2013 at 12:55 a.m.
Maximus said...

Sorry Clay but Obama is a lame duck. Did you see the speech today in Berlin? Embarrassing! The teleprompter president is out of touch and out of control. Clay, your Dad is calling and he is pissed. Time to move back to Alabama. Your Dad is tired of paying your rent at the Patton Towers! :). Obamers approval ratings nose dive even among the mindless unemployed millenials. Obamacare is a disaster that will burn the Democrats come the mid terms. Fuuuuuunnny:)!

June 20, 2013 at 1:05 a.m.
alprova said...

Maximus, In the spirit of offering evidence, I just wanted to remind you how many times you have changed your story in this forum.

12/02/2012 @ 1:42 pm - "Jesse, used to own three businesses now I'm just an independent investor"

Three days later you posted this;

12/5/2102 @ 1:54 pm - "I mentioned earlier that my three food businesses are thriving right now selling cheap food to those living primarily on welfare."

11 days later, you posted this one;

12/16/2012 @ 2:00 pm - "my MBA has an emphasis in healthcare management and I own three healthcare affiliated businesses across four states."

11 days later, you posted;

12/27/2012 @ 11:51 pm - "ever heard of Little Debbie Snack Cakes?....yea, its a family business."

When called on that one, you retorted;

12/28/2012 @ 10:42 am - "I never said I work at McKee Bakeries, i.e. Little Debbie, I do business with Little Debbie."

25 days later, it was;

1/23/2013 @ 2:02 pm - "I just got back from a meeting with my contracting company. We are going to be bidding on some of the hurricane clean up work contracts in New Jersey in order to get in on the gold mine of tax payer money."

Then today, it was;

6/19/2013 @ 6:36 pm - "My companies have contracts with all three sectors of government accounts along with private sector industries like VW."

6/19/2013 @ 9:26 pm - "the Mercedes plant in Bama is a customer of mine"

I'd love to see you explain your way out of this one, but I have no doubt that you will try to.

June 20, 2013 at 1:19 a.m.
EaTn said...

Folks like Snowden and Issa are needed to bring to light any hidden govt issues that citizens should know. We could have used them when Bush/Cheney were using deception as a pretense to invade Iraq. However when facts prove Issa wrong about the WH being involved in the IRS case, he needs to find a new fox to chase.

June 20, 2013 at 6:37 a.m.
hambone said...

When you read Issa's history you wonder how he has stayed out of prison. Car thief, arsonist, etc.!

June 20, 2013 at 6:46 a.m.
tifosi said...

Maximus Fraud. A legend in his own mind.

June 20, 2013 at 7:07 a.m.
jesse said...

Maximus's B/S is so far over the top ya shoulda figured out by now He's just on here to yank your chain!

Ever time he get Al's goat he gets a boner!

Con man is serious about his delusions,Max is playin games w/ya!

June 20, 2013 at 7:29 a.m.
dude_abides said...

Hah! The Maytag Congress!

June 20, 2013 at 7:34 a.m.
joneses said...

I have a hard time understanding why you liberals think it is okay for hssein obama to leave brave servicemen to die at the hands of a terrorist attack in Benghazi, to approve of the IRS targeting groups based on their political beliefs, to continue to have massive spending and debt, to destroy the best healthcare system on earth, to put the IRS in charge of obamacare that has proven it will distribute health care based on political affiliation, a regime that targets reporters based on political affiliation, a regime that illegally sold assault weapons to the Mexican drug cartels and other abuses of power. Why do liberals approve of this? Are they really that enamored by hussein obama and believe he can do no wrong? This is very dangerous for America.

June 20, 2013 at 8:05 a.m.
prairie_dog said...

Cops allowing all of the evidence to disappear. I think that's a perfect depiction of the situation. It doesn't matter anyway. Hillary will pardon all of them when she's elected. It's been done before, by Gerald Ford for Richard Nixon.

June 20, 2013 at 8:26 a.m.
tifosi said...

Joneses has been watching Fox too much. Has really learned how to distort the truth.

June 20, 2013 at 9:12 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Hambone: what an outrageous thing to say.

Max is at least funny.

June 20, 2013 at 9:47 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Hamboner: At least Issa's records are available.

June 20, 2013 at 9:58 a.m.
chatt_man said...

And there was a long pause in the action... Good one PT.

June 20, 2013 at 10:09 a.m.
riverman said...

Geez, even convicted terrorist Bill Ayers has turned on the Community Agitator. Agree with Maximus, time for Clay to move back to that cesspool Alabama, maybe he could be a Professor of Crayons at his alma mater, Sand Mountain Technical School.

June 20, 2013 at 10:11 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Clay is an arteest!

June 20, 2013 at 10:27 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

The Teflon pres. Is sinking in polls. NYT knows global warming is bogus. And the Leader now wants to move on cap and trade. The man is clueless.

June 20, 2013 at 10:32 a.m.
riverman said...

Even Eugene Robinson of the Washington Post has turned on the Community Agitator.

June 20, 2013 at 10:53 a.m.

Ah. Another head-in-the-sand expression of blind fealty in the delusional minds of Obama worshippers

This is the first hard evidence that the state department did ask for changes to the CIA's original assessment.

Specifically, they wanted references to previous warnings deleted and this sentence removed: "We do know that Islamic extremists with ties to al-Qa'ida participated in the attack"

State department spokesperson Victoria Nuland is directly implicated, and the fingerprints of senior White House aides Ben Rhodes and Jay Carney are there as well

The new documents contain two rationales for the changes in language. The first is that it would prejudice the FBI investigation. Perhaps, but I am not at all persuaded.

The other reason given, old-fashioned butt-guarding, is more credible.

As Ms Nuland puts it, such a report "could be abused by members [of Congress] to beat up the State Department for not paying attention to warnings, so why would we want to feed that either?"

However you read the motives, the state department and apparently the White House did get the CIA to change its story.

This is now very serious, and I suspect heads will roll. The White House will be on the defensive for a while.

“After Benghazi Revelations, Heads Will Roll” by Mark Mardell (BBC, 10 May 2013)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22483768

June 20, 2013 at 11:09 a.m.

“The State Department, in particular, pushed to remove references to Al Qaeda and Ansar al-Sharia, the Libyan militant group suspected of carrying out the attack as well as warnings about other potential terrorist threats from the C.I.A., which drafted the initial talking points…

“Mr. Carney expressed no regrets and asserted that the C.I.A. rewrote the talking points, although the e-mails made clear that happened only after other agencies, including the State Department, weighed in.

“I do stand by that,” Mr. Carney said of his statement that the White House changed only a word or two to make clear the diplomatic post in Benghazi was not referred to as a consulate. “White House involvement in the talking points was very limited and nonsubstantive.”

“But in at least one briefing last fall, Mr. Carney said both the White House and the State Department collectively made just one change, in contradiction to the e-mails that show much more substantive revisions proposed by the State Department.

“The White House and the State Department have made clear that the single adjustment that was made to those talking points by either of those two, of these two institutions were changing the word ‘consulate’ to ‘diplomatic facility,’ because ‘consulate’ was inaccurate,” Mr. Carney said on Nov. 28 …

“In this case, the State Department bridled at the C.I.A.’s initial draft, both because it went further than what the department had been disclosing publicly and because it was apparently worried that C.I.A. warnings about other potential threats would reflect badly on the department …

“The major changes in the talking points came after a White House meeting on Sept. 15, the day before Ms. Rice used them in her appearance on five Sunday news shows, but a former official said that the State Department was not aware during the drafting process that she would be using them for her TV appearances.

“Benghazi E-Mails Put White House on the Defensive” By MARK LANDLER (New York Times, May 10, 2013)

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/11/us/politics/benghazi-e-mails-put-white-house-on-the-defensive.html?pagewanted=all

June 20, 2013 at 11:10 a.m.

“Before circulating the talking points to administration policymakers in the early evening of Friday, September 14, CIA officials changed “Islamic extremists with ties to al Qaeda” to simply “Islamic extremists.” But elsewhere, they added new contextual references to radical Islamists. They noted that initial press reports pointed to Ansar al Sharia involvement and added a bullet point highlighting the fact that the agency had warned about another potential attack on U.S. diplomatic facilities in the region. On 10 September we warned of social media reports calling for a demonstration in front of the [Cairo] Embassy and that jihadists were threatening to break into the Embassy.” All told, the draft of the CIA talking points that was sent to top Obama administration officials that Friday evening included more than a half-dozen references to the enemy—al Qaeda, Ansar al Sharia, jihadists, Islamic extremists, and so on.

“The version Petraeus received in his inbox Saturday, however, had none. The only remaining allusion to the bad guys noted that “extremists” might have participated in “violent demonstrations.”

“In an email at 2:44 p.m. to Chip Walter, head of the CIA’s legislative affairs office, Petraeus expressed frustration at the new, scrubbed talking points, noting that they had been stripped of much of the content his agency had provided. Petraeus noted with evident disappointment that the policymakers had even taken out the line about the CIA’s warning on Cairo. The CIA director, long regarded as a team player, declined to pick a fight with the White House and seemed resigned to the propagation of the administration’s preferred narrative. The final decisions about what to tell the American people rest with the national security staff, he reminded Walter, and not with the CIA.

“This candid, real-time assessment from then-CIA director Petraeus offers a glimpse of what many intelligence officials were saying privately as top Obama officials set aside the truth about Benghazi and spun a fanciful tale about a movie that never mattered and a demonstration that never happened …

“The Benghazi Scandal Grows: The State Department, the CIA, the White House” by Stephen F. Hayes, The Weekly Standard.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/benghazi-scandal-grows_722032.html

June 20, 2013 at 11:14 a.m.

“According to the email, several officials in the meeting shared the concern of Nuland, who was not part of the deliberations, that the CIA’s talking points might lead to criticism that the State Department had ignored the CIA’s warning about an attack. Mike Morell, deputy director of the CIA, agreed to work with Jake Sullivan and Rhodes to edit the talking points …

“The hearings last week produced fresh details on virtually every aspect of the Benghazi controversy and raised new questions. By the end of some six hours of testimony, several Democrats on the committee had joined their Republican colleagues in calling for more hearings, additional witnesses, and the release of unclassified documents related to the attacks in Benghazi

“The Benghazi Scandal Grows: The State Department, the CIA, the White House” by Stephen F. Hayes, The Weekly Standard.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/benghazi-scandal-grows_722032.html

June 20, 2013 at 11:14 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

"Once again, a lefty thinks Bush is still POTUS. Get over Bush, will you." - zableedofisterix

It's impossible to "get over" Bush when the affects of his despicable actions still linger and will linger for a long time to come. Not only will people continue to talk about him, we SHOULD talk about him. He must never be forgotten as the man with the blood of tens of thousands of American soldiers and countless thousands more of innocent Iraqis on his hands. His ineptitude (at best) gave us 9/11 and his intentional lies and deceit gave us the Iraq war. He is nothing short of a war criminal and as long as he remains free to pen his phony memoirs and give speeches for a hundred thou a pop justice has not been served. If Obama were guilty of every "scandal" you pathetic, whining righties are so desperately trying to pin on him the magnitude of his crimes and incompetence would still pale in comparison to what Bush did.

WWWTW, that's a mighty impressive and exhaustive attempt to "prove" Obama's guilt. However, I refer you back to Bennett's 'toon du jour. It is spot on. The evidence room is still empty, and for good reason. You guys have NOTHING substantial, you just keep throwing your wet noodles at the wall, hoping something will stick. Good luck with that.

June 20, 2013 at 11:40 a.m.
jesse said...

To post 4 pages of drivel on here you have to have a sick mind!!

Some one a while back suggested to tu tu "JUST POST A LINK"!Thats GOOD advice!

June 20, 2013 at 12:04 p.m.

The Intern’s incompetence and deceit, not the potential criminal activity of his administration, are the imminent issues adversely affecting American strength at home and abroad. Bennett’s offering, once again, ducks the real issues with the Intern.

“Scandal-Ridden Presidency Follows Obama Abroad” by Donald Lambro (Human Events, 6/19/2013)

http://www.humanevents.com/2013/06/19/scandal-ridden-presidency-follows-obama-abroad/

“With his presidency beset by a wave of scandals — from the shocking politicization of the IRS to damaging national security leaks — and his declining job approval polls, President Obama fled town this week for a European tour. Surely, his once-legendary popularity abroad would give him a much-needed boost at home …

“But Obama found that the political climate wasn’t much better there than it was back here. Not only did the nasty scandals follow him overseas, but he also discovered that he wasn’t the rock star he was in his heyday …

June 20, 2013 at 12:31 p.m.
nurseforjustice said...

Hey Al,

I bet you can't believe that I drive a 2000 Hyundai Sonata and am a fat white boy your age. I will be glad to drive over to your place of business to show you for that $5,000. =)

Was just catching up on the drivel from yesterday and thought that was funny.

June 20, 2013 at 12:31 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Hey nurse: Alpo ain't gonna un-ass any currency.

June 20, 2013 at 12:48 p.m.
nurseforjustice said...

it's worth a shot for 5 grand.

June 20, 2013 at 12:51 p.m.
Leaf said...

I doubt the evidence room is really empty, but not full of Benghazi and IRS apparently. But we still have a lot of troubling secrecy and leak prosecution.

June 20, 2013 at 12:55 p.m.
fairmon said...

alprova.... what age would you think maximus might be? I would guess he may be the oldest person in the world, around 150, the minimum years needed to have all the experiences bragged about and to accumulate the wealth claimed. Or, he works with or for Clay Bennett to assure reactions in response to his cartoon renderings.

Your comment yesterday that no one made money in the 2008-2009 market collapse and everyone lost 40% or more is not accurate. Short selling, buying puts and other activities protected some small investors like me and some hedge funds made fortunes shorting banks, insurance companies, auto makers and other stocks. I bought puts (insurance on some stocks) and only sold short Fannie, Freddie and GM although I covered them earlier than I needed to a lot of hedge fund managers rode them and others to the bottom then took big profits.

June 20, 2013 at 12:56 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Yeah, Leaf. The organizer AND the state dept. made no political calculations. Right?

June 20, 2013 at 1:04 p.m.
miraweb said...

Jack blathers something about the NYT knows global warming is "bogus":

I somehow think the NYT's opinion on global warming is more formed by the two weeks of pumping (and seven months of repairs) it took to recover the subways last October.

Warmer oceans and moisture-laden air doesn't care much about your politics - or your house.

The oil companies are pouring billions into efforts to work the arctic as the ice melts. Take a look at where they actually spend their dollars - not their marketing efforts to keep you paying up at the pump.

June 20, 2013 at 1:23 p.m.
miraweb said...

The funny thing is Issa would have a lot of legitimate outrage to play with - if he could just manage to go a week without making stuff up.

Old habits die hard.

June 20, 2013 at 1:27 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Blathers, Mira? How disrespctful.

June 20, 2013 at 1:47 p.m.
miraweb said...

yeah . . . yeah . . . yeah . . .

June 20, 2013 at 1:55 p.m.
Maximus said...

Wow, what an awesome morning for golf! Damn Alprova, we know about the bad checks, but.....have you ever been arrested for stalking? WAW....What A Weirdo......doing "research" on my posts? Funny.

June 20, 2013 at 2:10 p.m.
fairmon said...

Has the "fat lady" sung on all the scandals? Was it actually a scandal-less venture with people falsely accused and defamed? I know not but I am confident anyone smart enough to do those things are smart enough to not get caught and darn sure won't admit it.

June 20, 2013 at 2:23 p.m.
NirvanaFallacy said...

Only liberals would celebrate Congress not (yet) discovering evidence of criminal acts committed by Obama and his team, when it still shows that Obama and his administration are incompetent.

Yippee guys and girls!!! Obama's not a criminal, he's just a terrible President!

June 20, 2013 at 2:48 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Nirvana: yep

June 20, 2013 at 2:52 p.m.
limric said...

Here’s Darrell Issa (aka Gunther Toody) and one of his fellow ethical GOP ethics investigators waiting for Obama to pick his nose in public.

June 20, 2013 at 2:55 p.m.
jjwhi1 said...

Bennett is such a political hack...a one trick pony. A lot more critical analysis and a lot less political partisanship would be nice.

June 20, 2013 at 3:20 p.m.
Leaf said...

Alprova, you're spending way too much time on Maximus. Proving that Maximus is a liar is like proving that poop stinks. We all know it already.

June 20, 2013 at 3:37 p.m.
jjmez said...

AndrewLohr said... What evidence would impress you? Not what I offer, which I'm sure you know, but what would? On Solyndra, the conservative tale is that the company was asked to keep quiet about layoffs until after the A.D. 2010 election. Maybe not illegal, but politics with tax dollars? On the IRS, we hear Bush met with his IRS boss once, Obama 157 times. And we're to believe Obama had nothing to do with what went on there?

Everything, and then some, you've mentioned in the 12:47 a.m. post has already been either debunked or explained. Is it part of your Christian values to continue to spread false information? Isn't that a sin according to western religion, punishable by sending liars straight to hell, sporting their gasoline drawers?

There's a verse in the Christian Bible, where it appears the Christian God is speaking directly, and not through prophets, where even the god himself had doubts about those who call themselves Christians. It says something like, "And they called themselves Christian?

June 20, 2013 at 3:51 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

"Lying for Jesus" is a popular sport for uber-fundamentalists. That and taking their medication for psychotic episodes gives them something to do between phones calls, tweets, and tinfoil-hat prophecies from Super Sky Daddy.

June 20, 2013 at 4 p.m.
jjmez said...

fairmon said... Has the "fat lady" sung on all the scandals? Was it actually a scandal-less venture with people falsely accused and defamed? I know not but I am confident anyone smart enough to do those things are smart enough to not get caught and darn sure won't admit it.

You mean like the Bush lied about WMD that got US stuck in two wars, several covert conflicts around the globe, several more mini wars, an economy that was on the verge of total collapse while he was in office and before he left office? Naw! That cain't be right. After all, he's The Bush!

Issa has already admitted out right, or implied, he was determined to trace everything back to the president in an effort to have him impeached. But all his accusations just keep falling apart before they can even get off the ground. Still, President Obama will have to watch his back, dot every "I" and make sure he cross every "T". Because the next step is to set him up and have someone jump into his arms just at that critical moment where someone will be near by to catch it all on camera, and he'll get accused of eyeball rape or something. It's an old southern, conservative strategy that's worked in the past. So why not 21ST century American?

June 20, 2013 at 4:02 p.m.
jesse said...

Leaf! I think Max and P.T. are in cahoots to send Alprova "round the bend"! And it looks like they are having some success! Factor in Con man and it's just a matter of time before Al is in a rubber room!

June 20, 2013 at 4:20 p.m.
kellie2479 said...

Andrew Lohr has it right. The leftist here might as well cut and past the DNC talking points. You guys are still on WMD's??/ And Obama doubles the troups strenght in the War on Terron . Wow

June 20, 2013 at 4:33 p.m.
fairmon said...

fairmon said... Has the "fat lady" sung on all the scandals? Was it actually a scandal-less venture with people falsely accused and defamed? I know not but I am confident anyone smart enough to do those things are smart enough to not get caught and darn sure won't admit it.

jjmez said...

You mean like the Bush lied about WMD that got US stuck in two wars, several covert conflicts around the globe, several more mini wars, an economy that was on the verge of total collapse while he was in office and before he left office? Naw! That cain't be right. After all, he's The Bush!

Yep..That is one example, he was a good bush shiiter and no one admitted anything but did say they didn't know, they thought etc. just like is happening today. You seem to be an Obama supporter while I think he is a bumbling idiot just like Bush was. I see little difference in the two parties. They keep taking polls and then go about trying to fool and control more people based on those results. Can't knock it since it seems to work.

June 20, 2013 at 4:41 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

DD is fixated on religion.

June 20, 2013 at 5:12 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Funny how those those "blame America first" people are all Obama supporters.

June 20, 2013 at 6 p.m.
miraweb said...

It is an interesting strategy. Two wars and a near depression have a generation coming of age who is Really Paying Attention.

That can't be good if you can only win if all the young adults (and the women, and gays, and Latinos, and African-Americans, and . . . ) stay home.

I'm not sure "scandal fatigue" is going to outweigh a grand double-war sandwich topped with persistent unemployment and a splash of crushing student loans.

This generation will be in it for a long time to come.

June 20, 2013 at 6:26 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

^^^^ blather, mira.

June 20, 2013 at 6:30 p.m.
miraweb said...

Issa is looking like a rank amateur.

If your invented narrative only works if 1) there is no transcript of the actual facts and 2) everyone in Congress - a group not really known for keeping its mouth shut - has a copy of that transcript. You really aren't going to get very far playing fast and loose there.

There was a reason why the NSA didn't talk to hardly anyone in Congress about asking Verizon for everyone's phone calls. Anything that outrageous would have been out on the street faster than you could order a pizza.

June 20, 2013 at 6:33 p.m.
miraweb said...

^^^^winning elections, my dear man.

June 20, 2013 at 6:41 p.m.
chet123 said...

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CHANEY USED THE BLOOD OF YOUNG AMERICAN SOLDIER TO GET RICH.....

OH I FORGOT........TEA-PARTY(GOP)OR GOP(TEA-PARTY) SEE NO EVIL...SPEAK NO EVIL....HEAR NO EVIL.....HA HA HA HA HA HA WHEN IT IS THEM WHO IS THE EVILDOERS...HA HA HA HA HA

June 20, 2013 at 7:01 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Funny how rebus calls supporters of the twice elected President of the United States "blame America first" people.

June 20, 2013 at 7:03 p.m.
jjmez said...

fairmon said... They keep taking polls and then go about trying to fool and control** more people based on those results.

No one can fool you without your permission. And the only ones being fooled are those tea-bagger diehard followers.

June 20, 2013 at 7:30 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Jjmez: tea party peeps just full of common sense. Totally lacking with your ilk.

June 20, 2013 at 8:45 p.m.
dude_abides said...

PlainTruth said... "tea party peeps just full of..."

June 20, 2013 at 9:17 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Man that was clever, Dud.

June 20, 2013 at 9:23 p.m.
dude_abides said...

and some real plain truth

June 20, 2013 at 10:09 p.m.
alprova said...

NFJ wrote: "Hey Al, I bet you can't believe that I drive a 2000 Hyundai Sonata and am a fat white boy your age. I will be glad to drive over to your place of business to show you for that $5,000. =)"

You, I believe.

"Was just catching up on the drivel from yesterday and thought that was funny."

I royally detest intentional lying and for the life of me, I just don't understand why someone would tell all the elaborate lies that this man has, over a period of a year and a half.

But then, I've never understood Internet trolls.

June 20, 2013 at 10:48 p.m.
alprova said...

Jesse wrote: "Hey nurse: Alpo ain't gonna un-ass any currency."

I'm a man of my word. Any time that man wants to drive his alleged 1957 Chevrolet to my office and show me paperwork to prove that it belongs to him, I'll doggone sure hand him five grand.

But you see, I'm equally sure that such a day will never come and that the cash will remain in my bank account.

June 20, 2013 at 10:53 p.m.
alprova said...

jesse wrote: "Maximus's B/S is so far over the top ya shoulda figured out by now He's just on here to yank your chain!"

And I felt that his chain yanking deserved an over the top exposing, just in case some may have forgotten what the man has claimed.

"Ever time he get Al's goat he gets a boner!"

It's really not that. I'm in no manner going to keep posting quotations of his. I'm merely going to post a link to my post from last night in the future whenever he makes an outrageous claim.

"Con man is serious about his delusions,Max is playin games w/ya!"

And you see that I backed off of another session with him too.

June 20, 2013 at 10:58 p.m.
alprova said...

Maximus wrote: "Wow, what an awesome morning for golf! Damn Alprova, we know about the bad checks, but.....have you ever been arrested for stalking? WAW....What A Weirdo......doing "research" on my posts? Funny."

My dear friend, what is funny is the crap you have been passing off as the truth.

I'm quite pleased to see that you refused to even attempt to discredit my efforts to show just how delusional you are and that anything you type in the future will forever be discredited by linking to my post of last night.

I'm sorry, but there are two kind of people I thoroughly detest. Those are intentional liars and thieves.

You did yourself in. Not me. I just provided the evidence.

June 20, 2013 at 11:04 p.m.
alprova said...

Since no one touched this post, I again apologize, but it simply cannot be left alone.

jones wrote: "I have a hard time understanding why you liberals think it is okay for hssein obama to leave brave servicemen to die at the hands of a terrorist attack in Benghazi..."

There is absolutely no proof whatsoever that the President was in any manner responsible for those deaths in Benghazi. Ambassador Chris Stevens, two times in as many weeks, leading up to the 9/11 anniversary, was offered additional security, which he turned down flat.

When the attacks were occurring, the commander in Tripoli was the man who told rescue forces to stand down.

People are going to believe what they wish, but they cannot change the facts.

"to approve of the IRS targeting groups based on their political beliefs"

The IRS case has been exposed to be a big deal about nothing. Testimonial transcripts have been released. It's over. Inefficiency and ineptness is not a crime, and it never even came close to the White House.

"to destroy the best healthcare system on earth, to put the IRS in charge of obamacare that has proven it will distribute health care based on political affiliation"

The IRS will not be in charge of health care. The IRS will only be in charge of checking who and who does not have health insurance.

Health care decisions will be in the hands of Doctors and Insurance companies, just as they are now.

"a regime that targets reporters based on political affiliation"

Another baseless accusation. You really don't pay attention to the news very much, do you?

"a regime that illegally sold assault weapons to the Mexican drug cartels and other abuses of power"

And given that this, the first scandal, wrapped up eight months ago without one prosecution, it doesn't appear to be so illegal after all.

"Why do liberals approve of this?"

Because they are baseless, partisan lies...That's why.

"Are they really that enamored by hussein obama and believe he can do no wrong? This is very dangerous for America."

You're in for a bumpy ride the next three and a half years. What more can I say?

June 20, 2013 at 11:20 p.m.
alprova said...

Leaf wrote: "Alprova, you're spending way too much time on Maximus. Proving that Maximus is a liar is like proving that poop stinks. We all know it already."

I'm not sure about that. Not everyone has been around for as long as Max has been.

I have no intention of dragging out anything else. He's been discredited quite sufficiently. I'm done.

June 20, 2013 at 11:24 p.m.
alprova said...

BTW, has anyone else been hit with the paywall yet?

Get ready, 'cause it's going to cost you the equivalent of a full week's subcription to continue to have access to this forum.

I chose the $16.99 a month, automatically deducted from my bank account option myself.

June 20, 2013 at 11:26 p.m.
alprova said...

jesse wrote: "Leaf! I think Max and P.T. are in cahoots to send Alprova "round the bend"! And it looks like they are having some success! Factor in Con man and it's just a matter of time before Al is in a rubber room!"

jesse, P.T. is like an annoying fly buzzing around the room. I care very little what that man posts.

Max on the other hand called me a pedophile publicly. Do you remember that?

Payback is indeed a beotch.

I've got my share of problems, just like everyone else, but the one thing I know I am not in danger of, is being put into a rubber room.

No one can get that far under my skin.

June 20, 2013 at 11:31 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Alpy: I've Been much nicer to you of late. And you know it.

June 21, 2013 at 12:20 a.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "Alpy: I've Been much nicer to you of late. And you know it."

Yes you have. I'm sorry about my comment. I was wrong to do that. You're absolutely right. You haven't been directing comments my way.

June 21, 2013 at 12:44 a.m.
fairmon said...

Creating a dependent and subservient society is the White House crime which preceded and continues with the current president.

June 21, 2013 at 1:42 a.m.
fairmon said...

jjmez said... fairmon said... They keep taking polls and then go about trying to fool and control** more people based on those results.

No one can fool you without your permission. And the only ones being fooled are those tea-bagger diehard followers.

You are correct, they are being fooled but so are others. Are liberals not just as die hard? I wouldn't expect you to realize liberals are being fooled equally to the tea groups. I don't think many people say yes make a fool of me please. People are conned by such lines as "trust me, I care about you, I will fight for you" B.S. without knowing they are being foolish. "We are in this together, we have to take care of each other", what a crock. There is only one thing either party wants to take care of and that is their party being elected.

June 21, 2013 at 2:04 a.m.
jesse said...

Al, I was just messin w/ya!

btw: That was P.T. that made the remark about "currency"!

June 21, 2013 at 5:29 a.m.
fairmon said...

Does not being illegal make the scandal issues OK with nothing about any of them viewed as inappropriate? Does that mean "do it if you want to if there is no law against it" is the guiding principle? That is consistent with the way congress goes about their job. What would you expect with a high percent of the members of congress being lawyers?

The instances of litigation per capita has exploded since the Carter administration with a high percent of trivial and frivolous issues. Lawyers love it and want more of it. It is a prestige thing to say I will have my lawyer look at it or you need to talk to my lawyer. People say those things and don't even know a lawyer.

It appears some in congress like the TV and news exposure they can generate chasing rabbits. The baseball hearings were about as ridiculous as any of the congressional shows.

June 21, 2013 at 7:35 a.m.
fairmon said...

Where is mountainlaurel?...She would have a ball with this subject. She could really blast those low life republicans with NYT and other articles as factual supporting data. I miss her no bias no bending support of all things democrats initiate or support in any way. She is a lot like Bush and his you are either for me or against me. Disagree with her on a democrat issue and you are immediately labeled a republican or in her view worse.

June 21, 2013 at 7:46 a.m.
tderng said...

alprova said... BTW, has anyone else been hit with the paywall yet?

Get ready, 'cause it's going to cost you the equivalent of a full week's subcription to continue to have access to this forum.

I come in and read the posts on this forum every day. They are really quite interesting,except the religious rantings of Conservative,and gives me some insight into the minds of liberals. I even sometimes post a comment myself. There are some very intelligent people who post thought provoking information. Then there are the posters who can't get past their hatred for the "other" party,whichever it may be,but even those posts are entertaining most of the time. The posts go great with my morning coffee,BUT if the TFP thinks I will pay one thin dime to be able to come to this forum they are bat-crap crazy. I'm pretty sure that the number of posts will dribble down to only a few people.

I may be wrong,so I would like to take a poll of the regulars who post here. Would you please respond with a yes or no to this question,"will you pay a monthly fee to be able to access this forum."

June 21, 2013 at 9:06 a.m.
tifosi said...

No

June 21, 2013 at 9:51 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Wow. The left's tolerance of misbehaviour on the part of this president is stunning.

You understand, don't you, that you are tolerating the destruction of civil liberties by the office of the president and not specifically by Obama, right? Just wait until you have another "evil conservative" in the Whitehouse. You are going to be screaming from the trees when they carry on the legacy left behind by Obama.

June 21, 2013 at 10:12 a.m.
degage said...

NO!

June 21, 2013 at 11:13 a.m.
jesse said...

NO!!!

June 21, 2013 at 12:24 p.m.
nurseforjustice said...

NO! If I get hit with the Paywall then I will not be back here or to the paper for sure. I can get the same news from the tv stations sites. So if this is my last post, I agree with tdnerg. It has been very entertaining to say the least and very interesting.

And I don't care whether you believe in God or not, (well that is not true, I do care) but just know that I do pray for all of you at least on a weekly basis.

Thanks, NFJ

June 21, 2013 at 12:25 p.m.
alprova said...

I'm sorry that some of you feel that this place isn't worth paying a contributive fee to keep it going. I signed up immediately, even though I subscribe to the printed paper through my business.

I don't want to see it come to having to pay for every website one visits, but in this case, you have to know that printed subscriptions are down because one ca read the news online.

I'm glad to support the TFP in order to have access to the website.

June 21, 2013 at 12:29 p.m.
jesse said...

Al. IF tfp ran this like they should, put a full time mod.on here and get rid of some of the insanity on here? Maybe!

Bennett runs the same ole theme day after day and 75% of the posts are the same ole shat day after day!Pay for that?? NO WAY!

If Bennett can't get out of HIS rut and start doing some thought provoking toons?Ain't gonna pay for what i been seein on here for the short time i been commin around!!

The fact that they let easy and some others run hog wild as long as they did tells me the TFP really don''t give a rats arz about this site!!

June 21, 2013 at 1 p.m.
Walden said...

Hell no!

June 21, 2013 at 1:08 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

tderng said... "will you pay a monthly fee to be able to access this forum."

Hell No!!!

TFP had better settle for the advertising dollars from the traffic or watch this page die a sudden death. If the paper was not such a liberal rag they would have more paying subscribers.

June 21, 2013 at 1:14 p.m.
miraweb said...

Paywall? No.

I come primarily because Bennett is a sharp observer and I like his work. As much as I would like to see him still get a paycheck, I'm not paying for the honor of writing for the TFP.

June 21, 2013 at 1:27 p.m.
degage said...

So far Al, you are the only one willing to pay, you are going to be real lonely. I refuse to pay for the abuse some on here love to dish out to those who don't agree with them, be it liberal or conservative.

June 21, 2013 at 2:02 p.m.
jesse said...

Miraweb,Bennett is a sharp observer?More like his toons are in line w/your views!

He does NOT provoke thinking he is just preaching to the choir!

Fact of the matter is an Original idea would prob. put him in a coma!

Actually he reminds me of Con man only not religious but political!!

June 21, 2013 at 2:15 p.m.
alprova said...

Wow...okay, I guess I'll have the place to myself, until the TFP decides to back off the plan to make everyone pay for access.

Even then, I'll probably keep paying for access.

June 21, 2013 at 2:44 p.m.
degage said...

I'm surprised the fact that 2000 walter reid employees are being furloughed and the IRS union employees are getting 70 million in bonuses and Obama and family are spending between 70 and 100 million for the Africa trip. Guess the priorities are for the Elite not for the average American.

June 21, 2013 at 2:45 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Prolly not

June 21, 2013 at 3:26 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

The TFP is one of the sites I visit and post on a regular basis. If they go to a paywall this site would be replaced in my rotation very easily. For example the Knoxville News Sentinel, that I post to under another title, has no paywall and has a much wider selection of subjects to post on.

On any day there will be about 20 to 30 different threads listed on their front page with about 500 to 700 comments. However their site is fairly closely monitored and about half of the posters here would be banned in the first week if they continue their present posting styles.

June 21, 2013 at 3:37 p.m.
jesse said...

That will be a win win for ya Al! You and Clay can get on here and tell each other how GREAT Obama is and ain't NOBODY around to tell ya how wrong ya are!!lol.

June 21, 2013 at 3:41 p.m.
GratefulDawg said...

Well, judging by the response to the question posed by tderng, it looks like the paywall is going to have the same effect on this forum as a fart in an elevator; Everybody getting out as quick as they can. I subscribe to the physical edition of the TFP so I don't know if I get a password or a decoder ring or...Nobody has really explained how this thing is going to work. I hate to see most of the regulars abandon ship. Yes that includes the ones I don't agree with. The truth of the matter is we have a symbiotic relationship here with the liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans and Independents, the righteous warriors of God Almighty and the "super heathens." Every protagonist needs a antagonist.

I hope to see most of you hang around for a while longer. For those of you bidding adios...To the truth seekers I say stay thirsty. To the slack jawed knuckleheads I say stay crazy you ridiculous buffoons.

June 21, 2013 at 3:43 p.m.
jesse said...

I was willing to let Easy 123 tell me what a MORON i was as long as it was free,don't think i want to pay for it tho!!

June 21, 2013 at 3:58 p.m.
hambone said...

The only reason I'm here now is because it's free entertainment!

June 21, 2013 at 4 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

I'm sure Easy will find a way to get some govt. entity to pay for his pass-word.

June 21, 2013 at 4:03 p.m.
alprova said...

GratefulDawgwrote: " I don't know if I get a password or a decoder ring or...Nobody has really explained how this thing is going to work. I hate to see most of the regulars abandon ship."

If you subscribe to the paper, you are entitled to free access to the site.

June 21, 2013 at 5:25 p.m.
acerigger said...

BigRidgePatriot said...

"Wow. The left's tolerance of misbehaviour on the part of this president is stunning."

BRP, you obviously haven't visited many "left-wing" sites lately, or else you'd know that the "Dirty F**kin' Hippies" are also in an uproar. We are all Americans btw, and no-one but the neo-cons and the MIC are supporting this assault on our freedom.

June 21, 2013 at 5:46 p.m.
DJHBRAINERD said...

Before it starts why doesn't someone make a ilovetfp/bennetrules facebook page and copy/paste bennet's cartoon each time it is printed and the rest of us could simply create a free email through gmail then create a facebook profile with our avatar and just post there with out giving up our identity....sounds complicated but it would take about 10minutes then the regulars could have at it by posting a comment on the fb site. seems like the same folks on here most days so it shouldnt bethat difficult to move the conversation to another sight...sianara TFP. Welcome to the new world order... I volunteer alprova .....ps alprova I have a tax ? could you provide a way for me to private message you.....

June 21, 2013 at 6:41 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Paula Deen getting hosed.

June 21, 2013 at 6:43 p.m.
alprova said...

DJHBrainerd, click on my avatar and go to my profile, My personal e-mail address is there.

Never mind the clicking. alprova@comcast.net

June 21, 2013 at 7:01 p.m.
DJHBRAINERD said...

I made a djhbrainerd facebook page and posted mr bennets cartoon there..... the comment section is open and ready for use..... and it is free! anyone interested should create a new email account and friend the site.....TFP could try to make a buck by ...i don't know.... maybe selling ads?

June 21, 2013 at 7:07 p.m.
tifosi said...

Jt6gR3hM said... "However their site is fairly closely monitored and about half of the posters here would be banned in the first week if they continue their present posting styles."

They booted me twice. :)

June 21, 2013 at 7:29 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Tifosi: you houd be more respectful.

June 21, 2013 at 7:47 p.m.
klifnotes said...

Not exactly sure how it works, but I think it would help TFP keep the reading and forum posting free if when we visit their site make it a habit to click on some of their advertising. Maybe even purchase something sometimes and mention how you came across their business.

June 21, 2013 at 7:53 p.m.
alprova said...

Am I really the only person to have beeen locked out of the site until I purchased a subscription?

My eyesight is going and I'm pretty much limited to reading my news on the computer and television.

I still subscribe to the paper at my place of business, because I have people hanging around all the time who just can't resist reading the paper during the day.

I suppose I could have claimed a free website access based on that subscription, but it just didn't feel right, since I used the website for my personal use. And now, with my subscription, I will have access to the paper version online, so I won't miss any of the good stories that are not published on the free portion of the site.

I like the TFP. I think it's a good paper. Technology is threatening the profits that used to be a part of publishing a newspaper. I believe in supporting the TFP, and that $17 bucks a month is a drop in the bucket, if it means keeping them in business.

Ad revenue is down. The economy is still hurting. It takes subscriptions to keep the revenue stream flowing in addition to ad revenue.

I don't like paywalls either, but in this case, I am a-okay with paying for access, because I know that the Internet is costing them much needed subscription revenue.

June 21, 2013 at 8:17 p.m.
alprova said...

JT wrote: "For example the Knoxville News Sentinel, that I post to under another title...is fairly closely monitored and about half of the posters here would be banned in the first week if they continue their present posting styles."

So tell us...how many times were you booted from the KNS site before you started playing nice?

I'll bet it was more than once.

June 21, 2013 at 8:25 p.m.
klifnotes said...

alprova, I've not received any such request. Are you sure whatever popped up wasn't a scam of some kind to get your personal info and maybe tap into a credit card or bank account? Maybe you should check with TFP to make sure they're the ones who sent you such a notice. I subscribe to the daily paper version too. Online reading is alright, but I still like relaxing with a cup of coffee and reading the paper that way.

June 21, 2013 at 8:26 p.m.
alprova said...

lifnotes wrote: "alprova, I've not received any such request. Are you sure whatever popped up wasn't a scam of some kind to get your personal info and maybe tap into a credit card or bank account?"

Nope. You can't even pay for a thing online. You have to call the subscription department to set up drafting information.

"Maybe you should check with TFP to make sure they're the ones who sent you such a notice."

I did. It was valid. It may be the absense of a few posters today means that some more have been hit as well. I am a bit confused, because I know that there are those posting today who frequent the site as much as I do, and on a daily basis as well.

I can't believe that I am alone in this.

"I subscribe to the daily paper version too. Online reading is alright, but I still like relaxing with a cup of coffee and reading the paper that way"

Oh I agree. I used to never eat a meal without a newspaper in front of me, but as I stated a while ago, my eyes are not too far from leaving me in the dark.

Everything has to be in large print these days and in certain colors for me to be able to read it.

June 21, 2013 at 8:34 p.m.
fairmon said...

Could it be to access certain parts of the TFP a subscription to the paper but not required to access this forum? I did get a pop up about having used my 30 days free access and would need to subscribe to continue but was not blocked from the opinions page.

Alprova, I am sorry to hear about your worsening eyesight. I often do not agree with your opinions but enjoy your reactions albeit not as much as mountainlaurel....she is nothing if not opinionated.

June 21, 2013 at 8:52 p.m.
degage said...

Al,macular degeneration? I'm from a family of that problem. grandmother, mother, 2 uncles now a sister. My sister started on shots in her eyes but until she started ocuvite( sp?) she was getting worse. don't know your problem but give that a try.

June 21, 2013 at 8:56 p.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "Alprova, I am sorry to hear about your worsening eyesight."

It's no big deal. I keep my head up and just try to focus on...

degage wrote: "Al,macular degeneration? I'm from a family of that problem. grandmother, mother, 2 uncles now a sister. My sister started on shots in her eyes but until she started ocuvite( sp?) she was getting worse. don't know your problem but give that a try."

I guess I should clarify. Due to a prescription drug that I was taking for years, without my medical provider performing the necessary labs that are supposed to be monitored in conjunction with the use of the drug, my kidneys and my eyes are in dire straits at the moment.

By the time it was caught, it was too late. I'm now taking 15 different meds, twice a day to stay alive. If I were an automobile, I would be headed for the scrap yard. But the meds keep me stable and have for a little over a year now.

What's wrong with my eyes is not macular degeneration. It's a condition that basically turns everything I see into black and white but everything looks darker. Some days I see well and in color. Some days not. The blood flow to my eyes gets interrupted.

The good news is that I am involved in a research trial sponsored by a big name drug company that has developed a couple of new drugs that have shown promise in reversing the damage to my organs.

I'll know in a few months if they are working.

In the meantime, the side effects are horrible some days, but I haven't given up yet.

June 21, 2013 at 9:17 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Alpy: Eligible for kidney transplant?

June 21, 2013 at 9:22 p.m.
alprova said...

I'm on the list at Erlanger, and have went through all the steps to qualify me and educate me to what I am in for, but I'm hoping and praying that it won't be necessary.

June 21, 2013 at 9:24 p.m.
alprova said...

Does anyone beside me find Piers Morgan utterly irritating and must change the channel when you realize his show is on?

June 21, 2013 at 9:28 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Yup

June 21, 2013 at 9:33 p.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said...

Does anyone beside me find Piers Morgan utterly irritating and must change the channel when you realize his show is on?

I can't stand the man and have seen him very little. He is very easy to not like. I have wondered how he is able to keep the job.

June 21, 2013 at 9:38 p.m.
tifosi said...

Reality TV and Piers Morgan suck.

Come to think of it... so does Paula Deen.

June 21, 2013 at 9:52 p.m.
hambone said...

Before he landed on CNN Piers Morgan worked for Rupert Murdock in the UK, that might explain why we all dislike him.

June 21, 2013 at 9:58 p.m.
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