published Thursday, March 7th, 2013

Good News

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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bret said...

Wow, Clay. I didn't realize that times were so tough on you.

March 7, 2013 at 12:23 a.m.
Salsa said...

Don't worry. President Obama is working on a domestic drone strike plan to get rid of all those homeless folks.

March 7, 2013 at 12:27 a.m.
Renfield said...

This cartoon is one of the greats. By the way, you know my secret identity, having visited my batcave in North Dakota (or South Manitoba, depending on the weather).

March 7, 2013 at 12:38 a.m.
fairmon said...

That same guy was in the same place when the stock market was at it's record low. China needs the U.S. to give everyone a stimulus check so their economy gets a boost when Americans spend it on imported goods. It is too bad the soaring profits are not from sales or demand in the U.S.

The government should bring in teams of business leaders to see how the government could reduce layers of management, consolidate departments, eliminate duplication, redundancy and over lap, improve the requisition process, conduct a wage and benefit survey and adjust compensation to the mid point of the upper quad of the private sector for like work, outsource and control the cost of non-core work, do a cost benefit analysis of each department and program. Congress has no incentive to control or assure wise spending, that is not what gets them popularity and votes.

The budget could be reduced no less than twenty percent with no adverse impact on services.

March 7, 2013 at 3:56 a.m.
alprova said...

It's wonderful to witness the stock markets and corporations doing so well, but the fact is that there are still far too many people struggling to make ends meet, which I'm sure is the point of today's cartoon.

Republicans were hired two years ago to right all the wrongs with our economy, and what do they continue to focus on? Anything and everything but...

Rand Paul is the man of the hour, for having the guts to stand up in protest of something that is not even a problem. Correct me if I am wrong, but has there been one person killed in this nation by a drone?

He and some other people are upset at the thought that a drone might be used against an American. Well let me be the first to offer that if any American is engaged in any act of terrorism against other innocent Americans, I'd be happy to press the red button myself.

I'm one of many that are a-okay with those things flying around, used as a tool to prevent crime and to protect the innocent in this nation. I can think of all kinds of reasons and uses where drones can be used to save lives.

There are more important things to worry about than drones at the moment, and if Republicans think that they will win votes by spending more time on issues of little importance, they are in for a butt whipping in 2014.

Rand Paul is running for President. He's been launching his campaign since he has been a U.S. Senator. He's got a small following of people, just like his daddy does, who think he is the best thing to come along since sliced bread.

The majority of the nation considers him a kook. And kooks don't get elected as President, no matter how many times they run.

Those of you who worship the kooks and who wear tin foil hats are free as a bird to whine, worry, and wonder when the drones are going to used to take over the United States if you are so inclined to do so. It seems to me that this is something that is poised to be added to your list of things that will keep you in a dither for the next four years.

The world will go on without you.

March 7, 2013 at 5:16 a.m.
JKennedyMD said...

Help me understand, Clay, what the solution is to this dilemma.

Is it raising taxes so that all people make the same salary, no matter how little or how much they work?

Is it selling more alcohol, creating more casinos, or promoting more lottery tickets so that we have more tax revenue?

Is it admitting him to Erlanger Hospital so that they can have another uninsured individual for which the taxpayers can subsidize him?

What's the solution, Clay?

Or is it that you're taking a cheap shot at individuals and corporations that do make a profit aand that do well, using your ability to draw as to manipulate people's emotions and generate jealousy and envy to solve what is in essence an unsolvable problem.

Jesus Christ said we would always have the poor among us.

What's the solution, Clay? I don't think you have one.

March 7, 2013 at 6:28 a.m.
EaTn said...

What makes a nation a third world? "A key factor is the lack of a middle class — with impoverished millions in a vast lower economic class and a very small elite upper class controlling the country's wealth and resources. Most third world nations also have a very large foreign debt." (What makes a nation third world? from Encyclopedia of World Geography)

March 7, 2013 at 6:42 a.m.
degage said...

EaTN, don't forget they usually have a dictator.

Al, so you think the gov should be able to kill an american on american soil without the due process of law. If the gov believes you are concidering terrorism they should be able to send a drone to kill you. No there has not been an american killed on American soil yet but why give the gov the athority to do just that without due process.

March 7, 2013 at 7:01 a.m.
fairmon said...

JKMD..The solution clay and others support is that anyone that cannot get a job consistent with their skills that provides them food, clothing, shelter, transportation, health care and nonreligious social connections will receive those things from the government. The government will tax the hell out of everything possible and borrow or print the rest. Most of those same people are willing to give up their own and your personal privacy, liberty, freedom and the pursuit of happiness in order to be provided for and protected by an ever expanding government.

March 7, 2013 at 7:06 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

The BBC did a story on hunger in US children: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21636723

We are the richest and most powerful nation on earth-this should never happen.

March 7, 2013 at 7:24 a.m.
dude_abides said...

JKennedyMD said... "Jesus Christ said we would always have the poor among us."

So you believe Jesus is granting the blessings of record dividends to one Christian stock holder, while granting the blessings of a nice, clean, sturdy cardboard box to a homeless Christian? Do you believe the Son of God said, "hey, you win a few, you lose a few."

Worry thee not about the riff raff. Work hard for thyself and thine own. Pray thee to me for more and more, and try not to steppeth on the derelicts. -Neuterromney 1:47

March 7, 2013 at 7:35 a.m.
conservative said...

I hope no one foolishly claims he is Jesus!

March 7, 2013 at 7:38 a.m.
MTJohn said...

JKennedyMD said...Jesus Christ said we would always have the poor among us.

Please show us where Scripture condones the kind of behavior that has caused the level of poverty that we have in the world's richest country.

March 7, 2013 at 8:04 a.m.
conservative said...

MTJohn,

You are correct there is no Scripture that condones the kind of behavior that causes poverty.

However, there are many that condemn and show what will cause poverty, here are just a few of many:

Who has woe? Who has sorrow? Who has strife? Who has complaining? Who has wounds without cause? Who has redness of eyes? Those who tarry long over wine; those who go to try mixed wine. Do not look at wine when it is red, when it sparkles in the cup and goes down smoothly. In the end it bites like a serpent and stings like an adder. Your eyes will see strange things, and your heart utter perverse things. ... Proverbs 23:29-35

Envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God Galations 5:21

Woe to those who rise early in the morning, that they may run after strong drink, who tarry late into the evening as wine inflames them! Isaiah 5:11

Whoredom, wine, and new wine, which take away the understanding Hosea 4:11

For the drunkard and the glutton will come to poverty, and slumber will clothe them with rags. Proverbs 23:21

March 7, 2013 at 8:39 a.m.
MTJohn said...

Conservative - does your Bible have only 65 books? Try reading Amos.

And, how do you think Mark 10:21 applies to this conversation?

March 7, 2013 at 8:58 a.m.
conservative said...

MTJohn,

"Conservative - does your Bible have only 65 books? Try reading Amos"

Try making a point.

"And, how do you think Mark 10:21 applies to this conversation?"

It is your proposal, why don't you try?

March 7, 2013 at 9:09 a.m.
alprova said...

degage wrote: "Al, so you think the gov should be able to kill an american on american soil without the due process of law."

Police shoot and kill people all the time who are actively engaged in criminal activity, or who present an immediate danger to others.

Wouldn't you say that those Americans are killed without due process of law?

"If the gov believes you are concidering terrorism they should be able to send a drone to kill you."

That's not what I said, nor has anyone else suggested it either. No one can read minds. What someone is considering is not the issue, but there are definitely times when drones can be used to fight crime within our own borders.

I'm not suggesting that there would be opportunity or the need to drop bombs on any American, and I'm not totally clued in to the spectrum of capabilities that drones can be used for, but from what I have read, they can be used as tools of crime prevention.

"No there has not been an american killed on American soil yet but why give the gov the athority to do just that without due process."

I think you're being a little naive here. Hasn't the Gov't done pretty much what it wants for at least a century? Starting with the assassination of a President in 1963, Presidential administrations have had their hands in wrongdoing after wrongdoing.

Anyone who believes that the Gov't needs permission from a soul to do a thing, is delusional.

March 7, 2013 at 9:15 a.m.
conservative said...

When the Liberals and the ACLU team up -

"Some years ago, when Ed Koch was mayor of New York City, there was a homeless woman living on a steam grate. Her clothes were filthy, covered with excrement; she was clearly insane. Mayor Koch finally became so upset about the continual news coverage of this tragedy that he ordered the police to take her to a mental hospital. They did so. The ACLU, incensed at this high-handed treatment of a homeless person, filed suit. While the lawyers filed briefs, and the judges pondered the question of due process, the mental hospital treated her."

"By the time the courts ordered her release, some time later, she was no longer incoherent. The lawyers doing this fine work for the ACLU hired her to work as a receptionist in their office. Eventually, the ACLU won a resounding victory for the Constitution, due process, and, in their eyes, for this homeless woman. The appellate court judges that heard the case decided that forcing her into a mental hospital denied the basic human dignity to make our own decisions."

"That's not the end of the story, however. After a few months of not taking her medicine, this woman again became delusional. She started to act strangely enough that the lawyers finally had to let her go. Newspaper reporters were still following the case; and the last act I saw reported in this tragedy was that she was back on the steam grate, defecating in her pants. Isn't human dignity wonderful?"

"The popular historian Paul Johnson wrote a scathing book some years ago titled Intellectuals. Perhaps it's too much of a stereotype, but Johnson described an intellectual as "someone who loves ideas more than people." While I have the utmost respect for the Bill of Rights, and I am troubled by what can happen when our rights can be taken away on the whim of a judge or a psychiatrist, I fear that this particular case is one of those examples of lawyers and judges more in love with an idea than with people."

http://www.claytoncramer.com/speeches/mental.htm

March 7, 2013 at 9:21 a.m.
MTJohn said...

conservative said...Try making a point.

Conservative - the point is so simple that you don't want to hear it. The prophet Amos spoke against abuse of the poor by the wealthy. The oligarchy that is the United States stands condemned.

March 7, 2013 at 9:24 a.m.
Leaf said...

I don't see how an iron-age mystical cult leader has anything to do with modern economics.

March 7, 2013 at 9:30 a.m.
alprova said...

conservative wrote: "Try making a point."

He did. In Amos, you will read what God thinks of those who are guilty of injustice toward the innocent, poor, and young women.

Me thinks that God probably wouldn't find the modern day Republican Conservative very appealing.

In Amos, you will read about social justice and concern for the disadvantaged, that God is judge of all nations, and that God is God of moral righteousness.

It was a good point MtJohn.

MtJohn wrote: "And, how do you think Mark 10:21 applies to this conversation?"

conservative's idiotic reply: "It is your proposal, why don't you try?"

You've ignored that particular verse of scripture many times any time the issue comes up surrounding the poor. It's hardly surprising that you are disregarding it once again.

Do you see why it is that I am not bothered by your opinions?

You Sir, are a wolf in sheep's clothing.

March 7, 2013 at 9:35 a.m.
conservative said...

MTJohn,

So, you condemn America and you condemn yourself.

Now, what is your solution to the problem of capitalism as you see it?

Have you given up your capital and the benefits and use of the capital of others?

March 7, 2013 at 9:35 a.m.
MTJohn said...

conservative said...So, you condemn America and you condemn yourself.

Agreed.

There is no absolute solution, at least not on this side of eternity. But, that does not mean that people of faith are free to rationalize as "good" a system that is completely contrary to the faith that we profess; to blame the poor for their plight; and, to congratulate the wealthy because they have successfully managed to manipulate to the system to benefit their selfish interest.

March 7, 2013 at 9:51 a.m.
Walden said...

I just happened to check back in on this site after a long, delightful layoff, and what do my eyes behold, but this whopper from Alprova, "Republicans were hired two years ago to right all the wrongs with our economy, and what do they continue to focus on? Anything and everything but..."

Wow, what unabashed falsehood we have before us here. This line would far more accurately read, "Obama was hired 4.5 years ago to right all the wrongs with our economy, and what does he continue to focus on? Anything and everything but..."

Al, that may be your weakest tea yet pal.

This cartoon is nothing more or less than an accurate depiction of Obamerica. When Barry was re-elected, I said on this site (look it up if you wish) that the "haves" will continue to have, and the have nots will continue to, well, have not. This is ringing true in reality.

March 7, 2013 at 9:54 a.m.
conservative said...

alprova,

MtJohn wrote: "And, how do you think Mark 10:21 applies to this conversation?"

conservative's idiotic reply: "It is your proposal, why don't you try?"

You've ignored that particular verse of scripture many times any time the issue comes up surrounding the poor. It's hardly surprising that you are disregarding it once again.

Do you see why it is that I am not bothered by your opinions? You Sir, are a wolf in sheep's clothing.

============

alprova,

You don't understand because:

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned .1 Corinthians 2:14

"You've ignored that particular verse of scripture many times any time the issue comes up surrounding the poor. It's hardly surprising that you are disregarding it once again."

You never tire of false accusations do you?

However, I am delighted you brought the passage back up. I will explain some things you don't understand about the passage ( remember1 Corinthians 2:14 ) and also bring up your past blasphemy about the passage as well.

Stay tuned, and why the continual charade?

March 7, 2013 at 10:30 a.m.
conservative said...

MTJohn,

There is no question that some employers have and will deal unfairly with an employee. This nothing new. This is just another example of sinful behavior.

However, a man sleeping on a bench is hardly an indication of unfair behavior of an employer. That would be a great leap but one often taken by Socialists to advocate a Socialist America.

March 7, 2013 at 10:39 a.m.
conservative said...

Why are people sleeping on benches? This from the Godless ACLU ( Anti Christian Lawyers Union ) website :

Today, as a result of the self-advocacy movement and a series of constitutional test cases, people with mental disabilities have many more rights than they used to, including:

the right not to be confined unless they constitute a danger to themselves or others;

the right to a court hearing to contest an involuntary commitment; the right to a lawyer during commitment hearings;

the right to refuse medication; the right to "minimally adequate" treatment and training;

the right to safe and secure conditions, including food, shelter, clothing and medical care.

http://www.aclu.org/human-rights/disability-rights-aclu-positionbriefing-paper

March 7, 2013 at 10:56 a.m.
Leaf said...

Why do you raving lunatics always try to read some grand partisan scheme into every single thing? Seriously, people, the world at large is not concerned with your obsessive need to categorize everything into extremes of black and white.

If you don't realize that the world is actually many shades of gray, then you are evil and you will certainly go to hell.

March 7, 2013 at 11:03 a.m.
timbo said...

Ok Mr. Bennett..how do you propose to confiscate cash from the "corporate profits" and the evil stock market and give it to this lazy ass guy laying on the bench? If corporations and rich people were poor there would be no jobs for jerks like you.

That guy on the bench could at least find a job at McDonalds...Walmart hires anybody. I have an industrial customer in Cleveland that can't find enough people for $15/hr. jobs. He said that they tell him they would rather collect unemployment than work for $15/hr. I'll bet if they found this guy on the bench to offer him a job he would run the other way.

Maybe some of you libs should move to Cuba.

The never-ending tactic of class warfare.....

March 7, 2013 at 11:06 a.m.
alprova said...

conservative wrote: "However, I am delighted you brought the passage back up. I will explain some things you don't understand about the passage ( remember1 Corinthians 2:14 ) and also bring up your past blasphemy about the passage as well."

Don't bother. Your "explanations" will be promptly ignored and I remind you that we're into a different topic. Nobody is interested in reading your whining about my differences in opinion with you.

"Stay tuned, and why the continual charade?"

Sir...you can go kiss my shiney hiney...

March 7, 2013 at 11:12 a.m.
alprova said...

Walden wrote: "Wow, what unabashed falsehood we have before us here. This line would far more accurately read, "Obama was hired 4.5 years ago to right all the wrongs with our economy, and what does he continue to focus on? Anything and everything but..."

Look back to what he walked in on in January 2009. Then compare it to today. We've still got a long way to go, but the nation is doing far better than it was then.

This is EXACTLY the reason that he was reelected.

"Al, that may be your weakest tea yet pal."

We'll see, come November, 2014.

March 7, 2013 at 11:21 a.m.
timbo said...

alprova...he was elected by a combination of government workers, welfare recipients, white hating racists, rich liberals with "guilt", committed socialists, and just plain stupid people.

That about cover it?

March 7, 2013 at 11:27 a.m.
conservative said...

alprova,

You are not ignoring me. Why can't you ever keep your word?

BTW,you used the term "You Sir, are a wolf in sheep's clothing."

The irony here is that YOU are the one in sheep's clothing. The Apostle Paul warned of false teachers who would pervert the Gospel. These false teachers added works to the Gospel making it another gospel, a false gospel.

27For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.29For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.30Also of your own selves shall men arise , speaking perverse things , to draw away disciples after them.Acts 20:27-30

March 7, 2013 at 11:45 a.m.
MTJohn said...

conservative said...But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned .1 Corinthians 2:14

Conservative - every one of your posts that defend a system that rewards the wealthy for taking advantage of the poor and that focuses the blame on the poor for their plight demonstrate the inability of the "natural man" to discern spiritual truth. You can't get to the place where you have ended up by taking a path that ignore the commandment to love your neighbor as yourself.

March 7, 2013 at 11:51 a.m.
conservative said...

MTJohn,

"Conservative - every one of your posts that defend a system that rewards the wealthy for taking advantage of the poor and that focuses the blame on the poor for their plight demonstrate the inability of the "natural man" to discern spiritual truth"

What a false accusation by you. Shame on you.

Are you referring to the capitalist system? You practice capitalism, I practice capitalism, it is the dominant system in the United States and has brought prosperity to it's people. Capitalism is not evil. It in of itself is not evil. Yes people can and do commit sins in a Capitalist system but that is not the fault of the system.

Now, you tell everyone what the proper economic system is and why you don't practice it.

March 7, 2013 at 12:13 p.m.
AndrewLohr said...

Is what the cartoon shows President Obama's fault?

MT, have you noticed the welfare program in the book of Ruth? Move to a less depressed area, let the poor work hard for minimal wages (reap by hand after the reapers with sickles have gone through), get married to a Godly and capable person of the opposite sex. No bumming. Liberals want to ban low-wage work and loosen the definition of "marriage" until it is meaningless. (Conservatives aren't keen on unlimited movement.)

What do you think of what the Institute for Justice does? It strikes down regulations that keep the poor from earning more as producers, which increases supply, and paying less as consumers because the supply increases.

March 7, 2013 at 1:10 p.m.
alprova said...

Timbo wrote: "alprova...he was elected by a combination of government workers, welfare recipients, white hating racists, rich liberals with "guilt", committed socialists, and just plain stupid people. That about cover it?"

In your mind, it does. Of course, not everyone thinks like you do, and thank goodness for that...

March 7, 2013 at 1:12 p.m.
alprova said...

Timbo wrote "I have an industrial customer in Cleveland that can't find enough people for $15/hr. jobs. He said that they tell him they would rather collect unemployment than work for $15/hr. I'll bet if they found this guy on the bench to offer him a job he would run the other way."

I took a snug on those old hip waders after reading this one.

The crap is getting deep.

March 7, 2013 at 1:15 p.m.
alprova said...

conservative wrote: "You are not ignoring me. Why can't you ever keep your word?"

What I am ingnoring, Sir, is anything having to do with your opinion of my Christianity. The door is wide open to discuss YOUR contempt for the poor, which is a current subject.

" Apostle Paul warned of false teachers who would pervert the Gospel. These false teachers added works to the Gospel making it another gospel, a false gospel."

That pretty much describes you. It's very insightful of you to offer it as a slice of self-criticism.

March 7, 2013 at 1:21 p.m.
degage said...

Al, I thought you had given up answering connie. Poor connie even tried to get Ike to enter into his banter, but she just ignored him. you and MT have him going again. Please put a stop to this.

March 7, 2013 at 1:23 p.m.
alprova said...

degage, today's topic concerns the poor. If you will go back and read, MtJohn and myself have confined my comments to conservative regarding today's subject.

I have no control over what conservative posts. I'm ignoring his banter from last week that he has tried to revive once again.

I never promised to not engage him in debate ever again on any issue, nor has anyone else.

If our debates bother you, don't read them.

March 7, 2013 at 1:28 p.m.
timbo said...

nooga...International paper

March 7, 2013 at 1:41 p.m.
timbo said...

alprova...you would be surprised the people who would turn down a high paying industrial job for selling cell phones in a suit at the mall for 8 bucks and hour.

Why do you think Mexicans are over here? They will do work that other people used to do. Construction, manufacturing, the trades, all are hard and a lot of people out there don't want to get their hands dirty.

March 7, 2013 at 1:47 p.m.
conservative said...

alprova,

Back to the passage in Mark that you brought up Mark 10:17-21

17 And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?

18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

19 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.

20 And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth.

21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

22 And he was sad at that saying, and went away grieved: for he had great possessions.

This was an actual event and not a parable. Mathew and Luke also recorded the event but with some added details.

The man was RELIGIOUS and he was RICH, the other Gospels used the word rich. Now, the truth to be learned here is what the RICH young ruler wanted and how he thought he could get what he wanted and how he refused what Jesus required of him in order to get what he wanted.

The lesson to be learned here is not that giving all your money to the poor will get you into heaven.

This is just one of the passages of Scripture that Liberals use to justify a Socialist America to replace GOD!

More to come and I will get to your blasphemy about 10:21 in my time.

March 7, 2013 at 1:54 p.m.
conservative said...

degage,

The idea of trading quotes was Ike's idea she called it a game.

I agree with alprova on one thing don't read what you don't want to read.

March 7, 2013 at 1:56 p.m.
timbo said...

Enough of the religious stuff. It is getting old. Anyone can quote Bible verses to justify any position when it is taken out of context. I bet God is independent, not Republican or Democrat.

Both parties are pushing us towards hell as far as I am concerned.

March 7, 2013 at 2:02 p.m.
conservative said...

Ike, degage reminded me to give you a quote

The real democratic American idea is, not that every man shall be on a level with every other man, but that every man shall have liberty to be what God made him, without hindrance. Henry Ward Beecher

March 7, 2013 at 2:04 p.m.
fairmon said...

Check in here and you won't have to go to church. Bible scholars that can cherry pick with the best of preachers.

March 7, 2013 at 2:50 p.m.
dao1980 said...

Good cartoon on a pertinent issue.

Then here's Connie to totally destroy any chance for a decent conversation on the topic.

It's obscene the way Connie blows his scriptural ejaculate all over any forum he comes across.

What a nasty zealous religio-perv he his, with his stalking, creeping, sniffing, and moaning to folks who don't even care about his useless and selfish opinions.

Hey Connie! Quit being such a publicly self-gratifying heathen!

March 7, 2013 at 3:24 p.m.
Maximus said...

Wow, liberalism truly is a mental disorder. The DOW hits all time highs over the past five sessions and Clay draws a doodle of himself sleeping on a park bench. Whether the dude is Clay or not he looks pretty healthy to me. I don't see any empty whiskey bottles or crack needles so unless he is mentally ill the lazy ass sleeping on the bench should get an fffffing job.

I buy my gold at Rosland Capital, do you? As for the guy sleeping on the bench, there will always be loser bottom feeders. I swim with the sharks at the top of the food chain. Have a vision for where you want to go with your life, set goals, work hard, over come setbacks and you will soon find that you are swimming with the sharks at the top of the food chain $$$$$$! All without the government and especially without negative Nellie, failure, loser liberals like Clay The Doodler and Barry The Failing President Welfare Pimp.

March 7, 2013 at 4:27 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Timbo says: "I'll bet if they found this guy on the bench to offer him a job he would run the other way. . . Maybe some of you libs should move to Cuba. The never-ending tactic of class warfare."

If it’s class warfare and economic inequality you’re seeking, Timbo, you don’t need to travel to Cuba or one of those South American Banana Republics to find it.

Indeed, we already have class warfare and inequality right here at home. According to the Central Intelligence Agency income distribution in the United States is more unequal than in Guyana, Nicaragua, and Venezuela, and roughly on par with Uruguay, Argentina, and Ecuador:

“Income inequality is a topic of huge importance to American society and therefore a subject of large and growing interest to a host of economists, political scientists, and other wonky types. Except for a few Libertarian outliers (whose views we'll examine later), these experts agree that the country's growing income inequality is deeply worrying. Even Alan Greenspan, the former Federal Reserve Board chairman and onetime Ayn Rand acolyte, has registered concern. "This is not the type of thing which a democratic society—a capitalist democratic society—can really accept without addressing," Greenspan said in 2005.”

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/the_great_divergence/features/2010/the_united_states_of_inequality/introducing_the_great_divergence.html

March 7, 2013 at 4:49 p.m.
acerigger said...

mountainlaurel, how dare you bring facts into the discussion?(lol)

March 7, 2013 at 4:55 p.m.
Leaf said...

When Maximus loses his job as a used Hummer salesman he'll be glad to know about that $15/hr job at International Paper. That should be enough to keep him in hair gel and cheap cologne.

March 7, 2013 at 5:06 p.m.
fairmon said...

Mountainlaurel...you can describe, dramatize, emphasize and editorialize at length about the problem. What is the solution? I haven't seen anything from either party that would address the root cause. They can't agree on anything, including on what to spend too much. Obama and many in congress can blow the bugle about wanting more made in America products but none of them seem willing to do what is needed to bring that about. Should we do away with the two party system and have all democrats?

March 7, 2013 at 6:08 p.m.
Maximus said...

Mountain Laurel and Leafhead........since when is income supposed to be equal? You two make a nice couple. I'd put money on the bet that you two are pushing 400lbs. , on WIC, missing several teeth, and we're in the marching band in high school.....ererer....one of you might have been a chubby flag girl. Now that's fuuuunny, Enjoy your lives as helpless, clueless, Obama Democrat bottom feeders. There is no way either of you could make it in the real world where you have to compete every day to survive and thrive. I don't sell used Hummers but if I did I'd damn sure be the best while you two are just another whining, welfare pimple on the American people.

March 7, 2013 at 6:26 p.m.
rick1 said...

The Federal Reserve on Wednesday released an edition of its so-called "beige book," that said the 2010 healthcare law is being cited as a reason for layoffs and a slowdown in hiring.

http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/health-reform-implementation/286615-fed-says-obamas-health-law-leading-to-layoffs

March 7, 2013 at 6:48 p.m.
Maximus said...

Call your Congressman......defund Obamacare NOW!

March 7, 2013 at 6:54 p.m.
conservative said...

alprova,

So, the RICH young ruler comes to Jesus. He was a ruler in his local synagogue simply because the Jews were not allowed to rule anything politically. He was a religious leader.

He asked Jesus, "Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? He didn't really know who Jesus was other than a teacher. He calls Jesus good and recognized him as a teacher. However, his idea of good was like most everyone else's idea of good. He was comparing Jesus with others in a moral relative sense. You and most others compare yourself to some really bad person and so you think you are a good person relative to others and that you will go to heaven.

Jesus gets to the heart of the matter and asks the RICH young ruler "Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God." Of course Jesus meant "good" in an absolute term. Only God is absolutely good! God is sinless, moral perfection and no one else.

The RICH young ruler was not good! You are not good alprova, I am not good alprova, your family and friends are not good either. Scripture is plain about that:

"..There is none righteous, no, not one:

There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Romans 3:10-12

Comparing yourself to others doesn't count for Salvation alprova.

Now ponder this for now.

March 7, 2013 at 7:12 p.m.
conservative said...

MTJohn,

Are you going to tell us what the proper economic system is and why you don't practice it?

March 7, 2013 at 7:16 p.m.
dude_abides said...

maximus said...

"...missing several teeth, and we're in the marching band in high school..."

LOL! Vandy grad puts an apostrophe in the word were!

March 7, 2013 at 7:26 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Has anyone noticed that the remaining posters from the Right are completely batsh!t?

The state of the GOP is obviously in shambles when Maximus, conservative and timbo are the most vocal members of their constituency.

March 7, 2013 at 7:52 p.m.
alprova said...

Maximus wrote: "I buy my gold at Rosland Capital, do you?"

You really should have done some research before dropping that little bomb in here Mr. Fraud.

Rosland Capital is well known for fraudulent sales tactics when selling gold, and for using celebrities and Fox News hosts to promote their scams.

March 7, 2013 at 8:09 p.m.
MTJohn said...

conservative said...MTJohn, Are you going to tell us what the proper economic system is and why you don't practice it?

Conservative - on this side of eternity, "proper economic system" is an oxymoron. No matter how we put it together, it will be driven by greed. What makes free-market capitalism especially egregious is that it is built on the fundamental principle that greed is good.

March 7, 2013 at 8:20 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Easy, what more can we expect from the Party Of Bush? It makes me sad to see how badly timbo and Maximus want to be Donald Trump, when they're really closer to Donald Duck.

March 7, 2013 at 8:21 p.m.
MTJohn said...

AndrewLohr said...MT, have you noticed the welfare program in the book of Ruth? Move to a less depressed area, let the poor work hard for minimal wages...

Andrew - have you noticed that Ruth, prior to marrying Boaz, was able to support herself and Naomi on minimum wage. Have you also noticed that, no matter how hard the poor work in this country, they cannot live on minimum wage? Have you noticed the degree to which the federal government subsidizes WalMart because of the amount of money paid out to WalMart employees? Have you noticed the generosity of the 2% compared with Boaz's generosity?

March 7, 2013 at 8:26 p.m.
fairmon said...

mountainlaurel liked this Greenspan quote......

"This is not the type of thing which a democratic society—a capitalist democratic society—can really accept without addressing," Greenspan said in 2005.”

I noticed neither he nor ML mentioned how to address it. Our flawed and corrupt education system may be a good place to start. Out convoluted unfair tax system would be another place to address this issue.

March 7, 2013 at 8:27 p.m.
conservative said...

alprova,

I will get to your blasphemy about Jesus committing sin later.

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alprova said...

conservative wrote: "JESUS IS SINLESS! JESUS IS MORALLY PERFECT!" Jesus himself disputes that in one of the very verses of scripture that has been the focus of controversy by yourself.

Mark 10:18 - "18 "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good — except God alone."

========

The RICH young ruler then asks Jesus "what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?"

Scores of people will spend eternity in hell thinking they had to do something (works) to inherit eternal life. Think about that.

March 7, 2013 at 8:39 p.m.
MTJohn said...

fairmon - a fair tax system would levy taxes proportional to the benefits received from public services. Such a system would be even more progressive than the our current system.

March 7, 2013 at 8:40 p.m.
conservative said...

MTJohn,

fairmon - a fair tax system would levy taxes proportional to the benefits received from public services. Such a system would be even moreprogressive than the our current system.

===================

So, those receiving public benefits in the form of Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps, public housing, college tuition etc should pay much higher taxes than those who don't?

Were you opposed to the form of tax called the tithe (a flat tax for all) which God commanded of the Jews, leaving them with the rest, which often resulted in many of them becoming rich?

Also, Abraham was rich and he was the father of all those who did and who will believe.

March 7, 2013 at 8:59 p.m.
GratefulDawg said...

"Rosland Capital is well known for fraudulent sales tactics when selling gold, and for using celebrities and Fox News hosts to promote their scams. --alprova"

Max is just hedging his bets with over-valued collectible gold coins until the big payback hits. You see, a Nigerian prince cashed a check from Max and will soon transfer millions of dollars worth of commodities into various accounts stateside...The correspondence he received had a government seal and was from the desk of barrister Screwya Blue, so it all seems to be on the up-and-up.

March 7, 2013 at 9:15 p.m.
Maximus said...

What's wrong with FOX News? They certainly have the hottest news and weather babes but of course gay Obama cock suckers like Dude, Alprova, and Grateful don't notice. Speaking of media Barry has certainly been taking a nose dive ever since his thug, Chicago gangster, PR guy, spin master David Axelrod went to CNBC. Axelrod a known communist was basically already working for CNBC as Obama's chief of propaganda.

Rand Paul 2016............take it to the bank, he will kick Hillary's fat, wrinkled, lying, old lady ass. It is still beyond me how any man especially a southern man could vote for Barry the liberal puppet TelePrompTer reading brainless welfare huckster pimp.

March 7, 2013 at 10:20 p.m.
Maximus said...

Easy.......Wealth Inequality In America......sooooo gay! How to equalize wealth GET A DAMN JOB you freakin lazy turd.

March 7, 2013 at 10:25 p.m.
MTJohn said...

Conservative - you need to do a more objective analysis of whom receives which benefits from public services. Virtually everything that our government does facilitates free market capitalism. Therefore, income and wealth are reasonable benchmarks for assessing who has received the greatest benefits from public service.

Social security benefits are distributed proportional to the amount paid into the system. Therefore, these benefits really do not factor into the equation that I suggested. People on welfare do receive a benefit that is greater than the taxes that they pay. But, our social services are intended to maintain social stability, an essential for free market capitalism to flourish. The wealthy get a nice return on the investment of their tax dollars in social programs.

March 7, 2013 at 10:37 p.m.
GratefulDawg said...

"What's wrong with FOX News? They certainly have the hottest news and weather babes but of course gay Obama cock suckers like Dude, Alprova, and Grateful don't notice. --Maximus"

Max, Rosland Capital should acquire you immediately. You are worth your weight in gold with the laughs you provide in this forum. So, you spend your days watching Fox hoping to catch a glimpse of the hot "weather babe"? I bet you lost it the last time she talked about a warm front. That's quite a life you've carved out for yourself big top.

March 7, 2013 at 11:08 p.m.
alprova said...

Maximus wrote: "Rand Paul 2016............take it to the bank..."

Rand Paul will not garner more than a 7%-10% of the entire nation's support, just like his daddy ever did.

Take that to the bank...

March 7, 2013 at 11:23 p.m.
Easy123 said...

It's always entertaining to see what our "Vandy" alum, Maximus, will say next.

You won't EVER have to worry about any Republican winning a Presidential election as long as you are part of their voting base, Maximusty.

March 8, 2013 at 12:14 a.m.
fairmon said...

He may be on the bench a long time. The FED beige book says employers in several Districts cited the unknown effects of the Affordable Care Act as reasons for planned layoffs and reluctance to hire more staff,".

Many in congress revealed their ignorance by acting surprised.

March 8, 2013 at 3:28 a.m.
limric said...

Great cartoon Clay.

Great video Easy123.

Great comment by Fairmon yesterday,

”Obama and many in congress can blow the bugle about wanting more made in America products but none of them seem willing to do what is needed to bring that about.” That hits the nail squarely on the head. And I posit is THE most important economic issue facing us. But, you almost NEVER hear any in Washington talk about it - - at least with any conviction.

The government, Wall St. and a complicit media (as shown in Clay’s cartoon) try to sell us the idea that the Great Recession is behind us. Meanwhile, all economic indicators suggest the opposite. The stock market may look good, but that just means the multinationals are doing well. The stock market itself doesn’t create jobs!

We hear every day the U.S. is creating jobs. This may be true, but the jobs they are creating are in India, Mexico, China and South Korea. Meanwhile,the .01% & multinationals are accumulating more wealth by draining money like vampires from what’s left of the middle class.

March 8, 2013 at 7:21 a.m.
patriot1 said...

All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.

March 8, 2013 at 8:08 a.m.
conservative said...

MTJohn,

OK, I am tuned in to your loathing of "free market capitalism" which we don't have.

So,I ask again, what kind of market should America have?

What is/was wrong with the taxation under the Mosaic covenant ordained by God?

March 8, 2013 at 8:17 a.m.
alprova said...

Is it just me, or is discussing ANYTHING with conservative like having a meaningful discussion with someone who does not understand one word of English?

March 8, 2013 at 8:25 a.m.
fairmon said...

Some countries require an importer to produce a minimum, usually one half, of the products in the country to which products are imported. That policy in America would put a crimp in Walmart and many others but put some Americans to work and paying taxes. Why does congress not do a cost benefit analysis on every spending program, including American job creation, before approving it? It may be the influence of their owners who have done their own benefit analysis without considering the cost to tax payers.

March 8, 2013 at 8:26 a.m.
conservative said...

Good morning Ike.

The little troubles and worries of life may be as stumbling blocks in our way, or we may make them stepping-stones to a nobler character and to Heaven. Troubles are often the tools by which God fashions us for better things. Henry Ward Beecher

March 8, 2013 at 8:34 a.m.
conservative said...

Just hang in there alprova, I will get to you.

March 8, 2013 at 8:35 a.m.
conservative said...

alprova,

In regards to my 7:28 PM comment about people thinking they are good, you would probably think me a mind reader if I were to ask you why you think you will go to heaven when you die for your answers would be something like " I am a good person", I treat other people well" or "I don't do this or that."

Nailed it didn't I!

I will get back to that passage of Scripture you falsely claim I ignore.

March 8, 2013 at 9:05 a.m.
jesse said...

Al, what do they call it when someone insists on doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a diff. result??

March 8, 2013 at 9:07 a.m.
timbo said...

slEasy321....I am glad to see that you still love me. You are a "batsh-- crazy" expert. I love your comments from the rubber room.

"Live,..directly from Moccasin Bend....slEasy321."

nooga...maybe you can get this lazy ass on the bench to go with your tenant to International Paper for a job.

March 8, 2013 at 9:39 a.m.
dao1980 said...

Excellent video Easy.

Income inequality is really a good thing in small doses, it encourages talented and hard working people to make the most of their opportunities. But our societies economic environment and the level of income inequality that we accept as "just", is beyond acidic. We all are so easily lead by corporate culture in media and entertainment to accept their filth as reality, then feel guilty when they drop a report saying what they feed us isn't good for us. We digest the cheap product-based culture that's easy for giant corporate conglomerates to produce, and allow ourselves to be grouped into the most easily serviced and pacified demographical collectives. We get addicted to their intellectual poison then scream for more like the good cattle we are.... rabble rabble rant and rave...

Hey, Minimouse seems a little more cranky and selfish these days, I wonder if being a terrible person is starting to chafe.

I also wonder what would happen if every poster in this thread told Connie to GO AWAY!.. (you gotta yell it)

March 8, 2013 at 9:41 a.m.
Maximus said...

Since I work 10 to 12 hours a day managing my various business enterprises I do not watch FOX News all day but I can tell you that CNBC and the other Obama networks have dikes like Rachel Madow reporting the latest Obama class warfare message. I am sure that unemployed Democrat gay cock sucker like Easy, Gratefuldick, and Alprovaimgay just love Madow and all the other Obama messengers. As for 2014 and 16 look for a conservative landslide. The Gays, Mexis, and even the women will not turn out and unlike Romney, all of the conservatives will vote producing a huge win and all of the juveniles like Obama who hate ACCOUNTABILITY by the way will fall into the dust bin of failed socialist history. What's in your safe? My gold is real. FU

March 8, 2013 at 9:52 a.m.
Leaf said...

Maximus opines, "I'd put money on the bet that you two are pushing 400lbs. , on WIC, missing several teeth, and we're in the marching band in high school.....ererer....one of you might have been a chubby flag girl."

Ha! Maximus was right on the mark! Said nobody, ever. Sorry to burst your bubble, but I'm not overweight, unemployed, or on welfare. I was in the band though. One time in band camp. . .

You seem like such a nice fellow, max. Quite a gentleman. Since you are the sporting type I'd like to make a friendly wager with you on whether Rand Paul will win the presidency. I'll give you good odds. I'm sure such an accomplished aurelian numistmatist can afford it.

March 8, 2013 at 9:54 a.m.
timbo said...

mountainlaurel...If it is so bad here, why don't you move to one of these "paradises."

As usual you stupid liberals inadvertently prove the conservative point. Guyana, Nicaragua, and Venezuela are all leftist governments in total economic collapse.

Guyana, with a per ca-pita gross domestic product of only $4,700 in 2006, Guyana is one of the poorest countries in the Western Hemisphere.

Nicarauga another poor country with a huge debt and leftist government.

Venezuela had a communist president for 14 years and is an economic basket case.

Uruguay, Argentina, and Ecuador have stable, democratic governments and relatively stable economies.

Where would you rather live?

You just proved that the US and similar countries do much better than the leftist, socialist utopias that you seem to prefer.

March 8, 2013 at 9:56 a.m.
Leaf said...

Al, why do you bother? Conservative doesn't pass the turing test. He's either a robot or has a severely damaged cerebrum.

March 8, 2013 at 9:57 a.m.
Maximus said...

Dao1980 not buying your crap. Come out of the closet. You are a week class warfare socialist with a brain the size of a pea. Weak man, really weak.....life is not fair.....we are being victimized by corporate America. I hope you don't have any kids especially sons. We have enough weak weenie coffee baristas already. Damn you suck.

March 8, 2013 at 9:59 a.m.
dao1980 said...

The fake-one hath spoken. ha! You don't have to buy anything with your imaginary fortune... right? You are one fake looser for sure.

Oh Minimouse, give up, you know my truck runs bigger tires than yours.

You know I can shoot five strokes under your best game ever.

I can ride my back tire up any climb on Aetna, and you'd just wuss out at the end of the pavement.

I can lift more, run faster, fight longer, drink longer, and pretty much do anything you lie about, ten times better than you wish you could.

Bet my gun is bigger than yours too ;)

haha, internet bragging just seems so dern silly, but barking back at the biggest liar on here can't be all bad.

March 8, 2013 at 10:18 a.m.
conservative said...

alprova,

The RICH young ruler asks Jesus "what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?" In spite of all the RICH young ruler had going for him apparently he was troubled about his relationship to God.

What will you do to inherit eternal life alprova? Mass numbers of people will go to hell thinking they have done something ( good works, kindness, not doing bad things etc ) )to inherit eternal life.

Jesus tells the man "Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother."

The rich young ruler said "Master, all these have I observed from my youth." Not a chance, not even one!!!

If he believed he had observed the commandments he was greatly deceived. No man has ever kept the commandments.

Think about that for now.

March 8, 2013 at 10:55 a.m.
timbo said...

conservative...More religion..give me a break. You are diluting the conservative message with all this preaching.

Religion is personal. Most people have been exposed to it and have read the Bible. You don't know any more than anyone else. Your tone seems a little arrogant and that is a sin.

This is the very reason a lot of libertarian types have problems with the so-called social conservatives in the Republican party. They seem to be just as interested in using government power to control personal behavior as their liberal buddies.

March 8, 2013 at 11:11 a.m.
caddy said...

Mark 10:21

This young man's reigning sin in this verse seems to have been an overweening affection for the things of this world; his riches were his idol. He trusted them because they were tangible evidence of his ability to sustain himself. It's the lie we all believe in this life at various times, namely, that we are autonomous, self-sufficient: People who cannot create and or sustain our next breath were it not for the continued Mercy of God above.

The verse does not teach that every man is to sell all and give to the poor. But I think even unbelievers know that. It teaches ALL men have idols, and this man was no exception. Where do you spend your time, energy, thought-life, money ? There is your idol.

The Rich young ruler failed to keep the first commandment; "thou shalt have no other gods before me": there was more than one thing wanting in him, but Christ takes notice of this as the first; and there was no need to mention any other; this touched him sensibly, and fully tried, and sufficiently exposed the vanity of his boasted perfection.

Humbling thing is: ALL our thoughts, intentions, actions are filthy rags. God knows our deeds. None are good. Thankfully there is ONE who is.

Till the end of time: God grants unregenerate men favors, but not favor.

March 8, 2013 at 11:53 a.m.
timbo said...

caddy..oh my gosh..it is an epidemic.

March 8, 2013 at 11:59 a.m.
dao1980 said...

I don't know, caddy, that sounds like a whole lotta spooky mumbo-jumbo, and your position on the inquisition kinda devalues your opinions any time you bring up white-god.

I'd watch out if I were you, I heard that Zeus (olive-tone-god) is "storming" this way, and that he's got your number high on his list...

March 8, 2013 at 11:59 a.m.
caddy said...

I don't think I've shared my opinion on the inquisition.

March 8, 2013 at 12:51 p.m.
caddy said...

RE: Maximus's Post that starts

"Wow, liberalism truly is a mental disorder."

; D ....

March 8, 2013 at 12:58 p.m.
dao1980 said...

Quick to forget too huh? Textbook religiophile.

Buddying up with Minimouse won't reflect well on your churchin' stance either. Did you not read the language used in the rest of his post??

Oh! Wait, that's right, calvinism can save the day on this one as well... it was meant to be... right?

March 8, 2013 at 12:58 p.m.
caddy said...

Maybe you can "sum-up" since you remember it so well. Wink

March 8, 2013 at 1:02 p.m.
dao1980 said...

So you want me to remind YOU about what YOU said... want me to shake it for you too?

eewwww, you "wink" like Kenny Orr...

Since you're going all "elderly forgetful" on me.. here you go.

March 8, 2013 at 1:03 p.m.
conservative said...

caddy,

You are certainly right about everything except the last part of your, "The verse does not teach that every man is to sell all and give to the poor. But I think even unbelievers know that." Some here do believe that to some degree.

This discussion began with mountain girl arguing that a cartoon of a beggar on a sidewalk might have sold all of his goods and was following Jesus! Alprova butted in and he has spewed one blasphemy after another.

I have been correcting alprova for about two years over Scripture and he greatly resents it. He insists he is a Christian but it is not possible in light of the blasphemy and wicked things he has written.

With people like alprova you have to give him a little truth at a time and that is what I am trying to do. I once had a seminary professor tell me that you have to get a man lost before you can get him saved. I have never forgotten that. The law, the commandments, were given for that purpose to show mankind how righteous and perfect and sinless God was and how evil all mankind is in order that they might flee to Christ instead of some kind of works Salvation.

Here is a sample of the professing Christian alprova, alprova wrote these words :

"The idea that we are to accept a mass-murderer as an object of worship doesn't reflect well upon Christians at all. If he murdered nearly every human on the planet, God is far more heinous than Hitler. Yet Christians are to willfully worship him without question. Why?"

"My belief that the Bible is not the word of God in no manner is equal to holding any contempt for it."

"God gave us all a brain to think with and to question that which deserves an answer. I've wondered for years why the Biblical story of the great flood is so easily accepted, in that God once murdered all life on Earth, save for a few."

"If the Biblical tale is indeed true, then God senselessly murdered millions of innocent humans and billions of animals in the flood. Even if there was the remote possibility in justifying the murder of people, what possible justification could have existed for wiping out most all animal life?"

"Some of you may have never considered asking these questions. The flood, if true, was an atrocity of the highest order. It was mass murder on a global scale."

"In the book of Exodus 12:28, God supposedly claims to murder every Israelite firstborn son and the firstborn of all their livestock. Isaiah 13, Jeremiah 49:20, Hosea 13, Numbers 31, In Deuteronomy 3, and 30 other times within the Bible, there are references to God committing more questionable murderous acts. Does this make sense to everyone?" cont

March 8, 2013 at 1:15 p.m.
conservative said...

cont.

"It is impossible for a "perfect" and "loving" God to also be heinous, demented and despicable. The Bible has been rewritten by evil men to instill religious fear into the minds of people as a means by which to control them. Apparently, it is still working like a charm too."

"I do not fear the Lord and nobody is ever going to convince me to fear God's "wrath." "

"I do not and never will hold the belief that the Bible is the word of God. You will not shame me into such a belief, no matter how many times you try."

"The words in the above scripture are the words of Solomon. They are not the words of God, nor are they even close to a commandment, ordering us to fear God."

March 8, 2013 at 1:16 p.m.
dao1980 said...

haha! Awesome, now you ya got Connie humpin' your leg.

Have fun with that, smell ya later!!

March 8, 2013 at 1:19 p.m.
caddy said...

Ah yes, dao1980, Rodney Stark is a Scholar in this area, as my post alludes too. You would do well to read him and educate yourself.

March 8, 2013 at 1:21 p.m.
caddy said...

Good points Conservative. If there is no God, as many in here suppose, it does -- or should -- make one wonder: On what basis or standard do any of us have to make ethical and moral stands.

The answer is: We have none. Matter is not moral. I am made up of Chemicals and matter. Atoms and carbon aren't moral. Ah, but Souls are !

As j budziszewski says, "There are Some Things We Just Can't NOT Know."

March 8, 2013 at 1:54 p.m.
caddy said...

tu_quoque said...

EmptyJohn Sez:

“Please show us where Scripture condones the kind of behavior that has caused the level of poverty that we have in the world's richest country.”

I don’t know any scriptures but obviously your Libtard socialist Jesus is allowing it to happen. He’s not much of a caring Shepard is he?


The above is answered very simply. Man allowed it to happen. God in a sense ordained it as well. God for sure could have created a Perfect world where none of this was ever done, a world without sickness and death and heartache. The mystery is why. I'm not going to sit here at my desk and presume I can give you a good answer to that. I can't. What I do know is that the freedom we did have: We lost. Every man born wants to be his own god. God indeed gives men that wish until He would change their heart.

"For it was in the evil use of his free will that man destroyed himself and his will at the same time." Augustine

March 8, 2013 at 2:52 p.m.
caddy said...

The social gospel ( whether in Amos - or other books )every one seems to want to fight for is not the "Gospel."

Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead too. Lazarus died again. Caring for the body -- and the poor -- is a charge given to all believers in Christ, but there is a more important change that goes beyond the temporal.

It is duly noted however that the eternal nuggets of truth can't be heard until the temporal pangs of hunger and destitution are addressed. Care for the poor indeed. Do it well and do it often; and while doing it, understand there is another realm to address as well.

March 8, 2013 at 2:57 p.m.
Maximus said...

I told all you bleeding hearts that just want guvment to take care of you that it is still about THE MONEY! A socialist thug that trashed his country to "take care of the little people", Venezuela's Hugo Chavez leaves an estate worth $2 Billion Dollars to his wife. By the way there is no middle class in Venzuela. A socialist paradise with their dear leader laughing all the way to the bank. Sean Penn and the rest of you lowexpectation liberal losers make me laugh. Obama is about the money also he could care less about helping the little people".........you suckers.....reproduction rights, gay marriage, global warming, income inequZality.......a bunch of bull crap to get elected and then get the money.

March 8, 2013 at 3:19 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Timbo proclaims: “As usual, you stupid liberals inadvertently prove the conservative point. Guyana, Nicaragua, and Venezuela are all leftist governments in total economic collapse.”

And as usual, Timbo, your knee jerking shortsighted thinking reveals how little you know about economics - along with your inability to grasp the bigger picture.

Indeed, why do you think someone like the former Federal Reserve Board chairman and onetime Ayn Rand acolyte Alan Greenspan would be troubled over the issue of income inequality in the U.S.?

Why does he say that income inequality is not the type of thing that a democratic society – a capitalist democratic society – can really accept without addressing?

I’ll give you a clue . . . It’s not because he thinks it’s a good thing for America.

March 8, 2013 at 3:28 p.m.
Easy123 said...

caddy,

"On what basis or standard do any of us have to make ethical and moral stands."

About a hundred thousand years of human evolution is the basis and standard to make ethical or moral stands. There are universal truths that are accepted by most sane people whether they are religious or not. Humans are distinctly intelligent animals that have the ability to discern what is "good" and "bad". Holy books and religion are not needed to know these things.

"We have none. Matter is not moral. I am made up of Chemicals and matter. Atoms and carbon aren't moral. Ah, but Souls are !"

We don't need any. We have our own minds. Matter cannot be moral, neither can atoms or carbon. However, the final construct of those elements, also known as humans, can be moral. "Souls" are simply the Biblical misunderstanding of the human psyche. Humans decide what is moral. If you would read your holy book in full, you would find that it is full of immorality and hateful teachings. How do you reconcile such evil in your own "holy" book?

I'm sure you won't watch these videos, but it explains my point further.

March 8, 2013 at 3:33 p.m.
timbo said...

mountainlaurel.... I don't really care what Alan Greenspan says. Whatever the income disparity, our middle class is much more affluent than most of the rest of the world. I don't think you would trade places with anyone in the countries you mentioned.

These income percentages are skewed by some extremes on the top end. If you look at affluence of our middle class and poor, we rate pretty high. For example, how many people don't have cable or cell phones?

"..But as Branco Milanovic shows in The Haves and the Have-Nots, the bottom 10% of the U.S. income distribution falls in the upper 30% of the global income distribution. When considered from this perspective, the prospects of the 99% are drastically improved."

People at the poverty line in the US are in the top 14% in global per ca-pita income. One billion people live on less than $1 per day.

You can find this at http://www.policymic.com/articles/2636/compared-to-the-rest-of-the-world-americans-are-all-the-1.

The problem is the truth doesn't fit with the myth your perpetuating for political purposes. The liberal cheer...MAKE A VICTIM, GET A VOTE.

NOW, WHAT ARE YOU BITCHING ABOUT????

March 8, 2013 at 4:08 p.m.
LaughingBoy said...

It's the Evil Rich's fault this man drank himself to a bench, except if the rich is a minority or female.

March 8, 2013 at 4:10 p.m.
conservative said...

alprova,

The purpose of the law was to show the contrast of wicked sinful man, the no good and God, the only good. You, I and everyone else are no good, evil, wicked, sinful and most worthy of hell.

Now the rich young ruler was a legalist much like the Pharisees and the Apostle Paul before Jesus saved him. The Pharisees, like everyone else could not keep the law so they just changed the rules and formed their own laws and traditions. They were in constant opposition to Jesus over their system of works.

These religious leaders and rulers instituted many outward ceremonies and rituals and imposed them on their fellow Jews. Jesus confronted them with the truth that the inner thoughts of a person were important and were what corrupted man and this why they sought to kill him :

18But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.19For out of the heart proceedevil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:20These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man Mathew 15:18-20

Much like people today,they were self righteous and had deceived themselves into believing they were good and pleasing to God and would inherit eternal life.

more to come

March 8, 2013 at 4:18 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Timbo says: “I don't really care what Alan Greenspan says. Whatever the income disparity, our middle class is much more affluent than most of the rest of the world.”

The rest of the world is a big place, Timbo. Specifically, what countries are you referencing?

In the U.S., our lastest census data shows a middle class that is shrinking. In fact, a record number of Americans — nearly 1 in 2 — have fallen into poverty or are scraping by on earnings that classify them as low income.

March 8, 2013 at 4:30 p.m.
Easy123 said...

timboner,

"The problem is the truth doesn't fit with the myth your perpetuating for political purposes."

Yes, it does. Your fallacious argument comparing American income inequality to World income inequality proves nothing. Just because poor people in America are doing better than tribesmen in sub-Saharan Africa doesn't mean that the American poor are doing well.

"The liberal cheer...MAKE A VICTIM, GET A VOTE."

The conservative cheer...SUCK IT, NON-UPPER CLASS WHITE MALES.

"NOW, WHAT ARE YOU BITCHING ABOUT????"

Ask yourself that question. You're the king of bitching.

March 8, 2013 at 4:37 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Easy123 said to Timbo: "Your fallacious argument comparing American income inequality to World income inequality proves nothing. Just because poor people in America are doing better than tribesmen in sub-Saharan Africa doesn't mean that the American poor are doing well."

Yes, poor Timbo doesn’t seem to understand that the standard and cost of living varies from country to country. In his mind, as long as someone has a cell phone they’re living high on the hog so to speak. The fact that millions of renters and homeowner households in the U.S. pay more than 50 percent of their annual income for housing and that a family with one full-time one full-time worker earning the minimum wage cannot afford the local fair-market rent for a two-bedroom apartment anywhere in the United States doesn’t register with him.

March 8, 2013 at 5:11 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Tu_quoque notes: “It appears that the quote and link that you included are in your posting rotation and reappears here about once every few months. . .How long do you keep them in active duty before you retire them?

Well, Tu_quoque, the answer should be obvious - even to someone like you. I will continue posting the dreaded facts until the issues and problems associated with income inequality in the U.S. are addressed, which is not happening. Clearly, the disconnect is still occurring:

"As The New York Times reported Monday, corporate profits have been skyrocketing ever since 2008 -– rising an average of 20.1 percent a year for four years in a row. But out on Main Street, average household incomes have risen only 1.4 percent a year. CEOs and big investors have been hogging the profits. . .

This disconnect between Wall Street and Main Street, between profits and wages, between the winnings of the 1% and the stagnation of the 99% — what I call “wedge economics” — has been the prevailing pattern in the American economy for the past three decades. And it has been financially killing the American middle class and stealing the American Dream from average people.

Right now, “wedge economics” is mangling America’s economic recovery. Anyone who has taken Economics 101 knows that what drives growth is not high stock gains for the 1% (who capture more than half of the capital gains from the market) but the power of mass consumer demand.

Economists call that the “virtuous circle of growth.” What they mean is that when CEOs share more of corporate profits with their workers and pay higher wages instead of imposing wage freezes, tens of millions of Americans head for Costco or Home Depot or the local car dealer to buy. Their purchases, multiplied by the millions, is what creates the incentives for business to expand, to build new plants, buy new equipment and hire more workers.

Consumer demand is the essential job creator in the American free enterprise system. Without strong demand, built on an ample supply of good jobs and good pay, businesses simply sit on their money, as they have done for most of the past four years, hoarding $2 trillion in accumulated cash."

http://billmoyers.com/2013/03/06/one-economy-two-americas/

March 8, 2013 at 5:57 p.m.
dude_abides said...

timbo said...

"conservative...More religion..give me a break. You are diluting the conservative message with all this preaching."

Now that's just good, clean all-American fun, right there! Thank you Laurel and Hardy.

March 8, 2013 at 6:54 p.m.
conservative said...

alprova,

The rich young ruler was self righteous and greatly deceived, even delusional when he stated that he had kept the commandments that Jesus named. His observance of the law was outward only. Jesus in the Sermon on the Mount, Mathew chapter 5 said that if you hate someone you have murdered him in your heart and that looking on a woman to lust after her was tantamount to adultery. ALL sinners have impure thoughts alprova.

ALL sinners have broken the commandments alprova. Again, obedience to the commandments go much further than any outward observance and deals with the heart.

cont

March 8, 2013 at 7:04 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Great time to be an American! Recovery is underway! I don't know who deserves the biggest thank you, the hard working middle class who threw off the BS dished out by the right and looked past the color of the man's skin to re-elect the President, or the dizzy foamers who ran that idiot up the GOP flagpole ensuring re-election! It's quite obvious that God despises anyone who prayed for Romney to prevail. Anyone here pray for a Romney victory? Afraid to admit it?

March 8, 2013 at 7:10 p.m.
fairmon said...

mountainlaurel opined.....

Americans head for Costco or Home Depot or the local car dealer to buy. Their purchases, multiplied by the millions, is what creates the incentives for business to expand, to build new plants, buy new equipment and hire more workers.

Consumer demand is the essential job creator in the American free enterprise system. Without strong demand, built on an ample supply of good jobs and good pay, businesses simply sit on their money, as they have done for most of the past four years, hoarding $2 trillion in accumulated cash."

ML...Do you know where that 2 trillion is hoarded because it will be taxed at 35% if repatriated? A lot of that 2 trillion is stashed where the company headquarters was established to get away from the highest business tax rates in the world.

ML..How does it help the American economy for people to have more to buy imports with? Do you know how to acieve an immediate 15-20% reduction in AMerican made products without reducing peoples pay? These are things the political power brokers don't want you to know

March 8, 2013 at 8:14 p.m.
conservative said...

alprova,

Now the delusional rich young ruler has falsely claimed he has observed all the commandments just like many today.

Of course, Jesus knew that the man had not observed the commandments but he shifts the discussion to another problem, his idolatry. His wealth was his problem, it was what he loved most, more than God. The proof of this was his refusal to give his wealth up at the request of Jesus and follow him in his ministry.

Now, Liberals, and Socialists who don't read the Bible, study the Bible, find fault with the Bible, even say we don't have a Bible often misuse this passage of the Bible on those who don't read the Bible as well, to advocate Godless Socialist government programs to redistribute wealth all in the name of Jesus.

March 8, 2013 at 8:17 p.m.
alprova said...

conservative wrote: "I have been correcting alprova for about two years over Scripture and he greatly resents it."

I resent it? That's hilarious!! I could not care less about your "corrections," as your understanding of the Bible is worse than that of a five year-old child.

You've posted five times today, the same "explanation" of Mark 10:18-21. Do you really want to "explain" something to me? Explain why you felt the need to post five times, the same "correction" over and over and over and over and over.

It's rather creepy that you have been collecting paragraphs that I have written to post over and over and over and over and over again, as if anyone but yourself cares.

What you cannot do is to refute so much as one of those paragraphs I have written over the years. They are logical conclusions drawn straight from the Bible.

Allow me to recap;

According to the Bible, God has committed or commanded others to commit at least 32 individual acts of murder, that included the taking of innocent life.

It is a verifiable fact that the Bible was not written by God, but by mortal men. It is a verifiable fact that the Bible has been edited or altered many times over many eons. It is a verifiable fact that the Bible has been translated into more than 3,700 different languages, and that the original documents were written in at least a dozen different languages, spanning hundreds, if not thousands of years.

God endowed me with a brain, to be used to think, to reason, to sort fact from fiction. He did not create me to be a mindless idiot, who is only to believe what others believe, or to only adopt the opinions expressed by others.

The Bible is full of contradictions, the most blatant of which, is the contrast between a "perfect" and "loving God," who is just as likely to cause it to rain fire and brimstone upon Earth and all it's inhabitants, for any reason.

I do not believe in a "wrathful God." To believe in such a God, would be to believe that God is demented, evil, despondent, heinous, despicable, and just plain crazy.

Have I missed anything?

Sir...you go ahead and believe whatever makes you warm and fuzzy, or fearful of God, if you so desire.

You can post for the next two years and you will not make a dent in what I believe, just as I know that your beliefs are set in stone as well.

The difference between you and I, is that I am fine and dandy with allowing you to believe all that you do. For some reason, you seem to be incapable of extending me the same courtesy.

If I am wrong, I am the only person who will pay for it.

Post away, for all I care. Type until your fingers shrivel up with rheumatoid arthritis, for all I care. Nothing you type will change my opinions in the slightest. I arrived at those opinions years ago after many, many years of research and reflection.

Now...buzz off.

March 8, 2013 at 8:58 p.m.
alprova said...

Oops...while I was constructing my latest post, conservative posted yet another "explanation" of Mark 10:18-21.

Sheesh...

March 8, 2013 at 9:05 p.m.
conservative said...

alprova,

Now to your blasphemy of Mark 10:18.

You previously wrote :

alprova said...

conservative wrote: "JESUS IS SINLESS! JESUS IS MORALLY PERFECT!" Jesus himself disputes that in one of the very verses of scripture that has been the focus of controversy by yourself.

Mark 10:18 - "18 "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good — except God alone."

==============

Now Christianity 101 includes the fact that Jesus is God!!! JESUS IS SINLESS BECAUSE JESUS IS GOD!!!

How can you be a Christian and not know that Jesus is God!!!

You can't!!!

Jesus Christ is God incarnate!!!

Matthew 1:23 says, "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us."

John 1:1-2 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God then v14, "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

1 Timothy 3:16 "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."

alprova, it is blasphemy to say Jesus, who is God, sinned!!!

March 8, 2013 at 9:09 p.m.
patriot1 said...

The poor guy on the bench is most likely trying to hide from a drone strike.

March 8, 2013 at 9:53 p.m.
alprova said...

Now it's time to really have some fun...

conservative wrote: "Now Christianity 101 includes the fact that Jesus is God!!! JESUS IS SINLESS BECAUSE JESUS IS GOD!!!"

Jesus cannot be God, at least that is, while he was alive and on this Earth. Why? Because God is eternal. Jesus was a living, breathing human being. There is reference after reference to prove that Jesus was human -- who was hungry, who thirsted, who felt pain, who grew tired. Jesus, the human being, died for our sins. God did not die.

"How can you be a Christian and not know that Jesus is God!!!"

Nowhere in the Bible does it categorically state that Jesus claims to be God. You believe that God came in the form of Jesus because no human being could not die or pay for our sins. But God cannot and did not die. It is and was impossible for him to do so.

As much as you wish it were both ways, only one circumstance can be true. Is God eternal or did he die?

"Jesus Christ is God incarnate!!!"

Jesus was a clone? What an interesting theory.

"Matthew 1:23 says, "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us."

Be that as it may, that is hardly proof of Jesus being God. "God is with us" does not translate into Jesus is God. People believe that God is with us all the time. Many people on this Earth are named Emmanuel. Parents probably name the occasional child "Emmanuel" so that God will be with them too. Jesus is consistently referred to as the son of God in the Bible. Yes, you will find references that suggest that there were those who believed Jesus to be God, but Jesus never made that claim himself.

"alprova, it is blasphemy to say Jesus, who is God, sinned!!!"

Sir...I have provided two instances of scripture that proves that Jesus did indeed sin. No need for me to repost them, for you seem to have an extensive dossier of my postings as it is.

You have disregarded them and have not once attempted to refute them. You can consider what I have stated to be blasphemy until the end of time, but unless you dare attempt to refute that which is taken directly from the Bible, your points are meaningless.

You and I both know why it is that you attack me, but refuse to acknowledge that which I quoted directly from the Bible.

Because it is the truth and what I posted was factual. What you consider blasphemy is merely an illustration that Jesus was simply a human. The son of God? Sure. I'll buy that.

But nowhere in the New Testament does the trinitarian concept become a "tritheism."

March 8, 2013 at 10:14 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Fairmon complains: “Do you know where that 2 trillion is hoarded because it will be taxed at 35% if repatriated? A lot of that 2 trillion is stashed where the company headquarters was established to get away from the highest business tax rates in the world.”

Still pretending? Why do you emphasize 35% when you know the average corporation pays much less - much, much, much less?

“While some of America's biggest corporations may complain that they pay too much in taxes, a recent analysis shows that many are actually getting off pretty easy.

According to the financial site NerdWallet, the 10 most profitable U.S. companies paid an average federal tax rate of just 9 percent last year. The group includes heavyweights Exxon Mobil, Apple, Microsoft, JPMorgan Chase and General Electric. . .

Some of these companies paid more than 9 percent -- JPMorgan earned $26.7 billion in 2011, for example, and paid $3.7 billion of it, or 14 percent, to the federal government -- and some paid less, like Exxon Mobil, which only sent 2 percent of its $73.3 billion earnings to the IRS. . .

The effective corporate tax rate has been on its way down for decades, recently hitting a 40-year low even as corporate profits have reached an all-time high.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/06/most-profitable-corporations-tax-rate_n_1746817.html

March 8, 2013 at 10:43 p.m.
fairmon said...

ML said...

Still pretending? Why do you emphasize 35% when you know the average corporation pays much less - much, much, much less?

Why should a company pay U.S. taxes on profits earned in other countries? Your figures are based on taxes paid considering total world wide profits. Corporate taxes should be zero since the consumer actually pays them anyway. Based on your post I assume you would agree to no deductions for a business and reduce the rate to a flat tax of 10%? The all time high is in dollars not percent margin.

March 8, 2013 at 10:53 p.m.
fairmon said...

ML if a corporation is able to reduce taxes it is because congress with both parties participation has enabled them to do so with the thousands of pages of tax codes that even the IRS acknowledges they do not fully understand. Do you support the discrimination in the tax regulations against unmarried tax payers? Do you support the discrimination against those that prefer to rent over owning a house?

March 8, 2013 at 10:58 p.m.
fairmon said...

ML...did your info Nerd include royalties, not considered a tax, paid by those companies? Do you think those and taxes may be included in the cost when you buy gas for your car. It is called a fools tax in politicians discussions with each other. They like to lambast companies and tax them which is popular with the stupid public that thinks it isn't costing them anything.

March 8, 2013 at 11:04 p.m.
fairmon said...

ML...Name one legislatively imposed cost on a business that is not included in the cost of their goods or services when purchased by the consumer.

March 8, 2013 at 11:05 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Fairmon

Interesting series of questions, but I believe you’re trying to avoid discussing your complaint about our corporate tax rate of 35%. Again, the problem I have with your complaint is that it is misleading since you failed to mention the fact that a majority of U.S. corporations are not being taxed at the rate you quoted. In reality, most corporations are paying much less due to the proliferation of loopholes, deductions and offshore tax havens – and it’s been this way for over 40 years - making the U.S. a relatively low tax country.

As to your question, “Why should a company pay U.S. taxes on profits earned in other countries,” I’d said it depends the situation. If a corporation is benefiting from a country’s markets, infrastructure, security and workforce, I believe they should be paying their fair share of a country’s taxes - just like everyone else. But thanks to our alleged representatives, we don’t have this kind of system in the U.S.

Our current system is rigged and has become essentially a series of tax avoidance schemes. U. S. corporations are able to avoid paying taxes on their profits by setting up some subsidiary that lives in some file drawer in some kind of tax haven somewhere in some place like Bermuda or the Cayman Islands. Needless to say, the use of these offshore tax havens have created serious consequences for both individual taxpayers and America’s small businesses:

- Tax haven abusers benefit from our markets, infrastructure, educated workforce, and security, but they pay next to nothing for these benefits. Ultimately, taxpayers must pick up the tab, either in the form of higher taxes, cuts to public spend- ing priorities, or increased national debt.

- Tax havens are countries or jurisdictions with minimal or no taxes. Corporations and individuals shift earnings to financial institutions in these countries to reduce their U.S. income tax liability—costing the federal government $150 billion in lost revenues each year.

- Federal taxpayers are not the only victims of offshore tax havens. Tax havens deprive state governments of billions of dollars in badly needed revenues as well. Based how much income is federally reported in each state, and on state tax rates, it is possible to calculate how much each of the state governments lose as a result of offshore tax dodging.

- State and local governments lost $39.8 billion last year because corporations and the wealthy shifted profits to offshore tax havens. . . The federal government lost $150 billion in revenue to the same practices."

http://www.uspirgedfund.org/sites/pirg/files/reports/USPIRG_State_Tax_Havens.pdf

March 9, 2013 at 10:31 a.m.
facyspacy said...

Survival of the fittest.... People never see the millions of decisions made everyday by the guy on the bench. This is the life he has chosen by those daily decisions. He has made his bed. He is entitled to nothing more.

March 12, 2013 at 12:50 a.m.
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