published Tuesday, March 12th, 2013

'Economy solutions get lost in arguing' and more letters to the editors

Economy solutions get lost in arguing

When I was a college student in 1964, the annual tuition was about $600 per year. That represented 480 hours of work at $1.25 an hour, the minimum wage earned from a part-time job. By working 15 to 20 hours a week, I paid tuition and graduated debt-free.

Fast-forward to 2013. Annual tuition at that same school is $24,000 per year. If I were now a student earning the minimum wage of $7.25 an hour, I would have to work over 63 hours a week to cover tuition. Since that would be virtually impossible, I would have to take out loans.

It's no wonder graduates are saddled with debt these days. Is the minimum wage too low? Is college tuition too high? Obviously, the relationship of minimum wage to the overall economy is fraught with inequities. Instead of intelligent debate, we get nothing but producers, consumers and politicians arguing their own hidebound interests. We're all losing in a debt-ridden economy out of kilter from top to bottom with everybody shouting at everyone else. Socialist dreams have become nightmares.

BOB MILLER, Signal Mountain


Cook's police incident column off-base

There is the right way and the wrong to handle violence. David Cook, in his typical way of showing his self-righteous indignation, felt the need to point out the obvious. Of course police are trained to control violent criminals with a certain amount of restraint. Usually, when a situation spins out of control there are serious consequences. In this case, a criminal was seriously injured and the officers were fired. However, this does not rise to the level of critiquing the police department as a whole. Cook correctly points out how they are trained. In fact, he actually attempted to describe the outdated Use of Force Continuum, which was designed to have a ready and measured response to any act of violence. Unfortunately, things don't always work out like they are supposed to. Imagine if these officers had followed Cooks "Untouchables" reference and shot the knife wielder?

I don't condone excessive force, but I do condemn journalists who keep searching for the next Rodney King incident to express their outrage.

JERRY MacCAULEY


Let's hope cronyism leaves with Littlefield

Littlefield has no shame, and Chattanooga deserves the nickname of "Little Chicago."

During the recall people said it was bad publicity for Chattanooga. What about all the cronyism appointments Littlefield is trying to force down the throats of the taxpayers before he leaves office? All these people are being given jobs and benefits the taxpayers will be paying for many years to come. Are they really even qualified for the jobs they are being slotted into? Time for a complete audit of all city departments.

What will the incoming mayor of Chattanooga do about this disgraceful display of cronyism at its worst?

LARRY GROHN


‘Entitlement’ is not a bad word

I wish our politicians and radio blowhards, and the people who believe their scare tactics, would learn what an entitlement really is. It is not a bad word, so quit trying to convince people that it is. If you pay into something such as Social Security, Medicare, pension plans, 401(k)’s, savings accounts, etc., than you are entitled to receive what you have been promised when paying into these accounts. You should not be threatened with cuts or anything different than that agreement.

Now, lets talk about people who truly are not entitled to anything: an able-bodied person receiving welfare, a girl or woman receiving money simply for having one child after another, other countries getting money that we supposedly don’t have, especially ones that hate us. Last but not least politicians who are not doing their jobs. The first step to a solution for all of this is not re-elect any incumbent who perpetually keep us in this mess, which means both parties. It’s ironic that politicians who have been representing us for decades keep blaming someone else for our problems.

JACK PINE, Dunlap, Tenn.


Hammond shouldn’t be re-elected

I was stunned, appalled and disgusted when I read the front page story about Hamilton County Sheriff Jim Hammond’s comments about the “first black president.” I was stunned because I would not expect an elected law enforcement official to utter such nonsense. I don’t know if he believes that the fear of crime in the community is attributed to our having a black president. But I do know that for him to say that publicly tells us a lot about him and his fitness to head the office of sheriff of Hamilton County.

We all have a First Amendment right to be stupid. However, we don’t have to re-elect Mr. Hammond as sheriff. We need someone in that office who can be a healer rather than someone who will divide to conquer. Did I hear someone say “Chief Bobby Dodd”?

JAMES WALTON, Hixson


Well-regulated gun laws a necessity

Has the Second Amendment conflated into the Second Commandment? Has the assault weapon become an idol that we worship?

We need to understand the words of the Constitution and reason between the founders and our citizens today.

Is a “well regulated Militia” now a National Guard unit? If I own an assault weapon, should I register that weapon and myself with that local unit and attend training exercises? The “Militia” and “the right of the people” are the subjects of this one sentence. “Being necessary to the security of a free state” is a participle phrase modifying “Militia.”

In terms of security, the difficult legal question is how does the juvenile court share information with the schools? How does the flow of information travel through mental health professionals and counselors? Who processes reports on bullying when a child does not measure up to false cultural scripts of society? Where do police departments fit in this information equation? What is the role of parents and teachers?

We need well-regulated gun laws. The gun industry and the legislature are a marketplace in need of control.

KEMMER ANDERSON, Signal Mountain

15
Comments do not represent the opinions of the Chattanooga Times Free Press, nor does it review every comment. Profanities, slurs and libelous remarks are prohibited. For more information you can view our Terms & Conditions and/or Ethics policy.
anniebelle said...

Bob Miller, you obviously know nothing but the dingleberries you suck up from Limbaugh's drooling pie-hole. If this were a socialist country, education would be free to all. Football coaches would not be paid 50 times more than science and math teachers. Get a grip on reality Bob or this country's going down the drain.

March 12, 2013 at 9:01 a.m.
TirnaNOG said...

"However, this does not rise to the level of critiquing the police department as a whole.

Yes it does, Jerry MacCauley. Because these are not the isolated incidents others are trying to make them out to be, but indicative of police culture and what it has become. As America's policing becomes more militarized we will see more of this rise of the warrior cop mentalility. This should be especially concerning as America contemplates placing armed cops and others in schools all across America. Just how long do you or anyone think it will take for their mission to turn from one of serving and protecting America's most vulnerable, its children, to an invading/occupying Army in those schools? Oop! It's already taken place in schools, mainly poor and minority, where cops have been assigned to protect the students. Are Americans and America so naive as to believe cops in schools will treat their children any better than they've come to treat the average citizen on the streets of America? There have already been serious, but ignored, problems where schools have police, and police and children have crossed paths.

March 12, 2013 at 9:33 a.m.
TirnaNOG said...

Mr. Walton, all Sheriff Hammond did was to warn us the perverbial elephant (AKA racism) never left the room. That having a black man in the White House just gave all the elephants (race haters) an excuse to crawl and slither from under the rocks they'd been hiding. A black man in the White House allowed them a level of comfort and excuse where they felt they could come out into the open, and openly spew their hatred. Apparently, you missed all those hateful forums where posters were openly stating how they planned to overthrow "Obama's Government. Not THE government, but Obama's. Where they openly spewed their hatred for Hispanics, Muslims, blacks, gays, women, fat people, (at times Jews), and wanted all the Hispanics (so southern/they were too dumb to know not all Hispanics (actually most prefer the term Latino) don't live in Mexico) to shipped back to Mexico and all the blacks back to Africa. I'm not sure what they planned on doing with the Jews and Muslims; and gays, and *"pompous, fat a^%, tri/fling, ugly, fat bi/tch (actually words posted about another individual) etc. etc. Tie us all to a pole ans light a barn fire? That's the crux of what Jim Hammond was saying. His being a sheriff, and a white one at that, he'd have lots of insiders information. As the haters would see him as one of their own. Someone they could openly spew their venom too and feel righteous about it. They figured he'd be in agreement with them. They were wrong!**

WHERE WERE YOU WHEN ALL THIS WAS BEING SAID? WHY DIDN'T YOU SPEAK OUT THEN?

Where were you, Mr. Walton:

(1.) Silent?

(2.) Indifferent?

(3.) complicit?

(4.) Co-conspirator?

March 12, 2013 at 9:50 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

"Socialist dreams have become nightmares." - Bob Miller

What is that supposed to mean?? Whatever socialist dreams any liberal might entertain, they have not even come close to being reality. The nightmare we are living in is from crony capitalism that has redistributed all the money to the people at the top and left the working people and middle class scratching for crumbs. You are correct, Mr. Miller, that our economy is "out of kilter from top to bottom," but it is not socialism that has brought us to this impasse. There is no part of socialism that deems a college football coach worthy of making 30 - 50 times what a teacher makes or a CEO worthy of making more than 300 times what the average worker makes. We have lost concept of the true value of work. Any full-time laborer today, whether skilled or not, should be able to make enough money to put a roof over their head and to eat and pay for the basic necessities of life. It is not "socialist dreams" but rather a system that has been rigged to favor big business and the rich that is responsible for throwing our economy out of kilter, having made it practically impossible for the average person to get an affordable college education or to even live at a basic level of subsistence.

March 12, 2013 at 10:53 a.m.
Livn4life said...

Wow Anniebelle, you hit the nail on the head with the last four words you posted, "this country's going down the drain." If we become a socialist nation we are at the bottom of the drain. How many of the so called "successful" experiments in socialism began as this nation? I don't think any of them and the full sense of their "success" or lack thereof, is yet to be seen. I have no qualm with your statement about the pay of football coaches, I would merely add entertainers and other basically non-contributors to the good of the country. But the free for all education would be worse than Mr. Miller's description using the word nightmare. No Kemmer Anderson, the National Guard unit is in no way a Militia. Sorry, nice try but go another route please, you challenge our intelligence. And if you question it, you show your arrogance.

March 12, 2013 at 8:23 p.m.
anniebelle said...

Lyin4life, just a typical right-wing, faux news watcher, hate radio listener -- you took my last sentence out of context to suit your own idiotic mindlessness. You have to 'read' and 'comprehend' the whole text to understand the meaning. DUH!

March 13, 2013 at 6:25 a.m.
Leaf said...

Hey, hey. A little civility goes a long way.

In response to BOB MILLER, I agree that we are out of kilter. In 1964 it was cheaper to go to a public college because about 2/3 of the tuition was subsidized by states, and blue-collar jobs paid relatively more than they do now.

Over the last couple of decades, state legislatures have been sending less money to public universities and colleges, so more of the true cost of education is being placed on the student. Add to that the higher cost of facilities and technology, and the cost is understandable. Nobody is making a profit in state colleges and universities, and the professors are being paid relatively less than in the past.

I think there was a great experiment after WW-II. The original GI Bill educated millions of Americans and led to decades of social mobility. People recognized that experiment was a huge boon to our economy and society and started other programs to help people go to college. That idea of funding education and giving our young people a boost persisted until the early '80s, but it's been eroding ever since.

We still pay it lip service, but our actions show that we as a society don't value education as much as we used to. Perhaps it came too easy to the baby boomers. In any case, we fund education at lower levels than any time since before WW-II, and we are becoming a culture that devalues education.

March 13, 2013 at 11:10 a.m.
anniebelle said...

Leaf, sorry if you need to get your 'vapors'. I'm been on this board with these hateful people for years now. Civility gets you nowhere with these moronic haters.

March 13, 2013 at 1:37 p.m.
shen said...

anniebelle, is right. They go into hiding or change their names when their friends with insiders info warn them authority is watching and monitoring the hate. However, under their new names they slip up from time to time and are easy to recognize.

What happened to the poster who on a daily basis referred to the President of the U.S. as "Obastard?"

Freedom of speech doesn't sanction the freedom to insult, humiliate and degrade a fellow human being.

March 13, 2013 at 5:48 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Well, I have to admit that I flag anyone that refers to the president as bastard. However, I warned them that I was doing so. Most of them usually refrain from posting filth after that, but it could be that there is a delay on the part of the TFP. After all, it appears that both tuquoque and Maximus were banned earlier today.

March 13, 2013 at 6:12 p.m.
anniebelle said...

shen, the first time I visited this board, there was a poster on here called herself "CanaryintheCoalmine". The post I read was hers and it was filled with nothing but lies about President Obama and Democrats in general. I called her on it, with a very civil tone, and boy did I get blasted from her from then on, every time I called her on her lies, misquotes, and hate-filled rhetoric. So, then she became Francis with an even more vulgar, idiotic set of lies and now I think she's TuJerque. I am here to speak truth about my beloved country and I will not be intimidated by cowards who call themselves 'Patriots' ~~ ha! what a lie. All they know is what is spooned out to them on a daily basis by hate groups headed up and funded by the GOP.

March 14, 2013 at 5:37 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

GAWD I remember canary. Foaming at the mouth, that one.

March 14, 2013 at 8:12 a.m.
shen said...

anniebelle, Ikeithlu, I hope you two saved some of those postings. Because these individuals can change like a chameleon on a dime. They'll make themselves out to be the victims and pretend they're being harrassed and threatened. Will go so far as to send threats to themselves via emails or whatever means, and pretend some stranger is doing it. I too have watched and monitored these types for a number of years. And they hide behind the pretense of God, Country, Patriotism and their religious faith. I'd be too afraid to play with any God I believed in like that. Especially the one they claim to believe in. The one they claim sends out lightening bolts and strike all liars, sinners, evildoers and those who misuse and take his name in vain.

March 14, 2013 at 10:11 a.m.
anniebelle said...

well, shen, I don't dwell on it -- I've got too much going on in my own life to worry about fools and their foolishness. They need to stay over at RedState, Town Hall, Breitbart.com, The Daily Caller where they can all wallow in their own swill. You cannot present them with a fact -- that's one of those 'ol liberal concepts'.

March 15, 2013 at 5:04 p.m.
halfback1 said...

Hotdang....I'm liking what I'm seeing on this board, from anniebelle and friends. I saw a cartoon from your Chat. Times pertinent to what is happening in my Red State backwater on accepting Medicaid. Thought I'd check you out. I had the wrong impression about you. It crept up on me like moss over time, apparently.

I was looking for a place to move back too after being in Florida all of my adult life (coming from Tn though). Travelling back and forth to visit family I visited your city and really liked the people friendly amenities etc but was discouraged when I would tune in to your local radio as I'd pass through. It was the same ole Right Wing hate pabulum we suffer in Ft Myers.

It's good to see sanity survives in my home state and maybe I'll give it another look.

It’s a shame Bob Miller wrote such a cogent letter about how out of whack education costs are,(along with all the wealth and income distribution) then spoiled it with that nonsensical reference to Socialism. I was relating perfectly until then. Ending it like that left me vacillating between inspired and exasperated.

Sorry Bob; good effort though. For future reference just look up the definition of Socialism and consider if it really has anything like a dominant role in this staggering democratically elected Republic Capitalistic nation.

March 21, 2013 at 5:16 a.m.
please login to post a comment

videos »         

photos »         

e-edition »

advertisement
advertisement

Find a Business

400 East 11th St., Chattanooga, TN 37403
General Information (423) 756-6900
Copyright, Permissions, Terms & Conditions, Privacy Policy, Ethics policy - Copyright ©2014, Chattanooga Publishing Company, Inc. All rights reserved.
This document may not be reprinted without the express written permission of Chattanooga Publishing Company, Inc.