published Monday, March 25th, 2013

Robin Smith: Time to choose — gangs or no gangs?

Robin Smith
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    Robin Smith, former Chairman of the Tennessee Republican Party and congressional candidate.
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"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."

— Matthew 7:13

Now, life is full of choices. And those choices, in the end, are ours. A favorite quote to which I refer often is, "We first make choices, then our choices make us."

Chattanooga headlines are peppered with phrases like, "fear of gang activity forces changes in school bus route" and "suspect sought in gang shooting." Violence seems to be a daily activity in our city.

Despite Chattanooga's effort called "The Future is Ours," otherwise known as the Chattanooga Gang Task Force, the surface activity reflects little evidence of progress.

The Chattanooga Gang Task force approach has included partnering with dozens of local agencies and hundreds of individuals to address mentoring, youth employment, local school involvement, community leadership development and police "suppression" as the Comprehensive Gang Assessment calls it.

So, if this extraordinary effort that has been undertaken over the last several years has proven to be the national model, what's missing to yield success?

While agencies, institutions like government, local schools and charities can assist as resources in the effort to remove crime, there has to be an individual and a community choice to reject gang activity.

Seeing a young woman in Judge Lila Statom's courtroom recently recant her eyewitness testimony to a murder cheered by the overflow crowd shows the strength of the gang and the weakness of community opposition.

Kids and youth look for role models who will ultimately determine their view of right versus wrong: how to treat others, what defines the value of a family, a child, a life.

Kids also pursue acceptance. Despite the clamor for individualism, behaviors coalesce around your family values, your peer group, and the associations and affiliations of social activity.

Young people look for structure. It's usually through pressing the limits of what is permitted. But once limits are set, they'll operate within this structure.

Interestingly, a survey conducted as part of "The Future is Ours" revealed the top three problems presented by gangs are "increases in violent crimes, drug crimes, and weapons crime." The top reasons for gang activity include "lack of activities, family and friends being in gangs, the need to feel loved or a sense of belonging, and family problems."

The survey also recorded that the "top three things that should be done" are "mentoring, programs/recreation, and jobs." While the "most important organization for dealing with gangs is the police."

Chattanooga, it's a time for choosing. The decision has to be made to use the police and courts to imprison criminals and clean up the crime on the short term. We should also decide to punish families for problems like truancy in schools.

Citizens of Chattanooga, it's time to decide that "The Future is Ours" and that family needs to serve as the role model and the family of faith in the community to serve an invaluable role of structure.

The "wide gate" and the "broad road" of acceptance of wrong-doing and crime are leading to destruction. It's time to choose.

Robin Smith served as chairwoman of the Tennessee Republican Party from 2007 to 2009. She is a partner at the SmithWaterhouse Strategies business development and strategic planning firm.

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nucanuck said...

I don't believe that Miss Robin has the first clue about life at the gang level. She is preaching to her choir an even they are snoring.

This white suburban fundamentalist middle class female opining etherially about solutions for the most disadvantaged underbelly of urban America rates a one word critique: CLUELESS.

March 25, 2013 at 12:34 a.m.
MyGen said...

From the crime and activity I've seen in my North Chattanooga neighborhood, I'd say personal responsibility and accountability are EXACTLY the beginnings of either heading in the right or wrong direction. And those are individual choices whether poor, rich, educated, uneducated, etc. I'm one for standing for no gangs. But we'll see who's for keeping the excuses alive under the label of racism, intolerance, and wanting governments to control the situation, not families. I guess Judge Lila Statom's "Clueless" too according to the worldly, superior previous commenter.

March 25, 2013 at 6:48 a.m.
aae1049 said...

nucanuck,

You appear to be marginalizing Robin's opinion because she is white.

March 25, 2013 at 7:32 a.m.
shen said...

The word gang just mutated and morphed into a synonymous term representative of any and all things poor, urban, minority {primarily black} and their communities. One easily came to realize that, if not sooner, when two girls got into a fight at Brainerd and it was automatically labeled gang-related, verses over 100 white middle-classed and up students got into a fight at a school on Signal mountain and suddenly it's called a brawl. Then throw in the black community leaders who bought into it hook, line and sinker and here we are.

March 25, 2013 at 7:35 a.m.
cooljb said...

nucanuck, look, Robin Smith is not a gang member, thank you very much. She is expressing, in her opinion, some constructive information so everyone can incorporate it into the total equation. If you, nucanuck, knows so much, why don't YOU fill us in with your total knowledge of the fix to gang violence. Please share in detail so we can pass the solution around and make you a hero. Standing by with anticipation of your wisdom and solution! By the way, nucanuck, why haven't you stepped forward and already fixed it since everyone else has no clue? I'll bet you could get a big reward if your complete wisdom and knowledge is as good as you portray it to be.

March 25, 2013 at 7:44 a.m.
dao1980 said...

Oh, you can just "choose" not to have them? Well dern tootn'!

Why didn't anybody tell us that in the first place..

Smithy should just go down to "gang street" and tell them all how simple it really is.

I'm sure "they" would all be immensely grateful for her deep insight and piratical guidance.

March 25, 2013 at 8:19 a.m.
TirnaNOG said...

While the "most important organization for dealing with gangs is the police."

Not when the most nefarious gang organization in existence IS your friendly average, on the beat, police unit. That's where the bulk of the problem(s) exist. Admitting that is where you'll find solutions. Bad and dirty policing have played a major role in crime escalation and the deterioration in struggling poor communities. Denial only guarantees there will be no solutions, and any gains will be lost at some near future date.

March 25, 2013 at 8:49 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

All of our opinions matter little when it comes to the complex and dangerous issue of gangs. The best solutions will come from former gang members, who understand all too well the attraction of gang membership, the conditions that foster it, and the extreme danger one faces when they try to extricate themselves from a gang. Former gang members face the same risks as witnesses in violent crimes that testify-without the witness protection program or the resources to get out of the area and start new lives elsewhere.

Ms. Smith is from the same background as I am: white, relatively well off, suburban, female. Neither of us can really understand what it is like to be a black, Hispanic or Asian (or caucasian for that matter) youth living in poverty.

March 25, 2013 at 8:58 a.m.
TirnaNOG said...

Former gang members face the same risks as witnesses in violent crimes that testify-

And the same risks good cops face who attempt to expose bad cops.

March 25, 2013 at 9:08 a.m.
Facts said...

TirnaNOG,

It's great to hear from the Littlefiled Administration who hates police, hates first responders.

Advice to Mayor-elect Mayor Berke, if you surround yourself with "progressives" like the ones above who protect the drug dealers, the theives, the killers,and the criminals who want to have a constant set of victims for our city government to spend money on while ignoring the reality, I know I'll be of the first to sign a recall petition for you and your city councilmembers.

The greatest threat to "government is the answer types" is a population that takes responsibility for their actions.

The best thing that could happen in these gang-invested communities would be an uprising of men and women that abandon the hold of activists who really don't want them to be truly successful, just their pet victims.

Tell Ron, we said Good-bye.

March 25, 2013 at 9:09 a.m.
TirnaNOG said...

Facts, stop your rambling. Take your meds. Chill.

Addressing the oftetimes multiple and complex realities to such problems isn't supporting crime or criminal activity. Denying there are multiple causes and sources to the problem is the true and greatest threat. One that only guarantees the problems with not only continue but escalate.

Reality is not hate.....it's just REALITY! To ignore the various causes and effects is the greatest form of hate.

March 25, 2013 at 9:21 a.m.
Facts said...

Exactly. Name calling when there's discussion.

There are bad cops but there are far more good men and women who sacrifice their safety for yours.

As I read this article, it was the community who said it was the police that was the number one group to fight gangs. Go deal with your group of victims who are off message.

There are multiple reasons but not one thing will work if the individuals involved and the actual community don't help themselves. Talk with any of us who've had to deal with substance abusers or those with addictions. All the "help" in the world does nothing to address the problem until it starts from within.

March 25, 2013 at 9:48 a.m.
anticorp said...

It's harvest time all across America.

When you stack the deck for WASPS, legislatively, political gerrymandering and economic segregation you end up with ghetto/barrio gangland.

We have developed, through the processes above, to have the greatest income and equity disparity in the industrialized world. However, our CEO pay is the highest, yet we are way down on the list of size of middle class (#9). We lead in general poverty and child poverty and are behind France, Norway, Finland, Germany and United Kingdom in pre-school. But we lead in death rate between 15-24. You would think that would thin out our problem areas, eh?

The last of my scab picking is, in the most Christian of nations we lead in children born to single parents.

There is a plethora of data about how Crony Capitalism has stripped the quality of life out of America here: http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/8Comparison.htm

There are plenty of examples of better ways to more social and economic harmony if we could unfurl ourselves from our beloved flag and lower our gaze from the clouds to terra firma.

March 25, 2013 at 11:56 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

Nucanuck's assessment of Robin Smith and her words of "wisdom" is perfect: she is clueless indeed. Her entire article is a waste of space and her insights into gang activity are nil. "It's time to choose." What does that even mean?? That has about as much significance as Nancy Reagan's "Just say NO" did on the war on drugs. It might make for a great bumper sticker but it means nothing.

Of course family makes a huge difference in how a child is raised and of course all of life comes down to the individual choices we make. But we're not going to change how hardened gang members see the world by showing them a Bible verse (or posting the Ten Commandments on a government building) and telling them how much better off we'd all be if they just went back to school, got a job, got married, and went to church every Sunday. You might as well tell a rattle snake it ought not to bite because nice snakes don't do that.

As for how conservatives see the solution, it always boils down to the same thing: get tough on crime and quote a Bible verse. They want to address the problem AFTER the fact by putting a Band-Aid on it and continuing to blame LBJ's War on Poverty and a government that fosters dependence. But they fail to see that so many people remain dependent because it has become practically impossible for people born in squalor to get out of their predicament. A minimum wage that nobody can live on and higher education that not only doesn't guarantee you a decent job but most assuredly will saddle you with a life-time of debt are not even a choice to be considered when you can make easy money selling drugs and pimping and being taken care of, at least in the short term, by a "family" of other gang members.

Sure, we need to do something now to beef up security and take a hard-nosed stance to the gangs that exist, because it is too late to make much of a difference in the lives of present-day gangbangers. But for addressing the problem in the future and to make gangs less appealing we do have a choice: we can continue on this road that rewards those already rich and who are positioned at the top of the ladder, or we can create, by investing in, a society where there are more viable opportunities for those who are born at the bottom of the ladder. And by "investing" I don't mean hand-outs that create dependence but solid education for ALL, job training programs, a decent minimum (living) wage, and an end to this massive redistribution of money upward that has taken place for the past 30 or more years.

March 25, 2013 at 12:35 p.m.
Lr103 said...

Well, maybe we can all come from hiding under our beds and tables now. Somebody_eeeees apparently got what they wanted.

Front Page TFP: "Chattanooga gang leader calls for Cease-Fire"

Who do you think is really controlling this picture?

See: Manufactured terrorists.

March 25, 2013 at 1:05 p.m.
Leaf said...

Finally, an easy answer to a complex problem. If only Robin had spoken up earlier this country wouldn't have any gang violence.

March 25, 2013 at 1:55 p.m.
nucanuck said...

cooljb,

As you insinuate, I am not that smart, but I am smart enough to know that the poorest of the poor don't even know what "family values" means. They have never experienced middle class family values. I also know that prison costs about $50,000 per prisoner per year and that certainly isn't a viable solution.

Miss Robin needed to turn in an article to meet her deadline and she laid an egg.

So what might work? Education is empowerment and it costs much less than prison. Why should a society be unwilling to do what ever it takes to deliver a solid education to ALL our children? Why is that not JOB 1? Sure, it will be tough to find ways to reach poor kids that have had no nurturing, but it is possible.

And second: we should offer birth control knowledge and availability to all at an early age. Abortion also should be available to those who feel trapped and completely unable to be a competent parent. Aid for dependent children should be tied to the education of the mother. Demonizing legal abortion on religious grounds should have no place in determining what is best for each individual. We could create a pathway out of poverty if it were a priority. Sadly it is not.

March 25, 2013 at 3:49 p.m.
Facts said...

Government, more government, with no personal responsibility and no role for families.

And what is incredibly funny how so many of you are making this issue about the writer. Ignore the solutions and the facts.

March 25, 2013 at 5:10 p.m.
timbo said...

lkeithlu....First of all, someone pointing a gun at you doesn't deserve "understanding." They need a bullet in the head..or be arrested. This is typical liberal thought..it is not the fault of the perpetrator, it is society's fault.

That is why this thing persists, no rules and no consequences. I wonder if this was rape would you still blame the victim.

Let me tell you a little story..I have a "friend" who pulled up to get gas. As he started pumping, a gang banger type with his windows down, in 31 degree weather, with two 3 foot speakers blaring out the raunchiest rap he had ever heard, pulled up beside him. This rap was so loud that everyone at the gas station was noticeably shaken. The guy then went into the store leaving his rap blaring out polluting the air.

When the guy came out my "friend" said, "You need to turn that stuff off, it is bothering everyone here." The gang-banger said, "Shut up old man,..or I will kick you ass.." My "friend" said, "Would that be before or after I stuff you head first through your window.." Well, the gang banger got in his car, turned off his rap, and rolled up his window and left.

Now your going to say that my "friend" was being "macho" or was racist or blah, blah, blah. The fact is that he didn't have to put up with that behavior, stood up to a punk, and that is all it took to back him down.

You also might say, "well you could have been shot.." To that I would say, that this "banger" sao the his pick-up truck, the NRA sticker on the window, and figured out that he wasn't the only one that owned a gun.

If black leaders would use this behavior, get armed, and stand up to punks...they wouldn't have to live in fear. If that is "macho" we could use a whole lot more of that.

In the late 1800's gangs were robbing banks and trains and the authorities just basically killed them all. They didn't try to "understand" them. I am sure some of them had worse situations than today's gang members.

In the 20's and 30's it happened again. Gangs were terrorizing the country. The FBI hunted them down and killed them. The violence stopped. Again, these guys probably grew up in some tough circumstances.

This gang problem needs to be handled in the same way but since these gangs are mainly black and Hispanic it is "racist" to take care of the problem. We have to tippy-toe around this because someone might get "offended."

I really don't care about their circumstances because there are millions of blacks and Hispanics who had it just as tough but turn out fine. If it were society's fault that wouldn't be the case. Most of them would turn bad.

We are letting a small minority of thugs cause fear, over regulation of guns, drugs, and murders and do very little about it. We need a little old school justice. That is the only "understanding" they will get from me.

March 25, 2013 at 5:28 p.m.
Easy123 said...

timboner,

I get the feeling that your little "story" is bullsh!t, timbo.

Violence didn't stop in the 1800's or the 1920's or 1930's. Thinking it did is highly deluded and asinine. You've watched too many Eliot Ness and J. Edgar Hoover movies. More violence doesn't solve the problem and it never has.

You'll never be able to kill all the bad guys. Eventually, you have to actually address the problems within society that breed violence and ignorance. It's like the war on terror. We can never win that fight. Terrorists are born everyday. It's instilled in them at a young age. Until you fix the society they live in, you will never change one damn thing.

All people are different. Some can go through the same circumstances and turn out totally different. However, the ones that do succeed, do it in spite of their circumstances. Society still plays a role. There were just different responses to the same stimuli.

You are very illogical, callous and ignorant. Old school justice will not solve the problem and it never has despite your misguided feelings to the contrary.

March 25, 2013 at 5:43 p.m.
timbo said...

slEasy... I SAID THE "GANG PROBLEMS" OF THE PAST. NOT VIOLENCE DISAPPEARED. Can you even read?

Yea, my story was bull...it was me you imbecile. That's why I said "friend" in quotes. Are you that stupid? There are people on this page that know who I am and I was on the phone with one who heard the whole thing.

The problem is that chicken sh--s like you don't get that some people out here aren't. These bangers get that...because they aren't as stupid as you are.

March 25, 2013 at 6:42 p.m.
Easy123 said...

timboner,

"I SAID THE "GANG PROBLEMS" OF THE PAST. NOT VIOLENCE DISAPPEARED. Can you even read?"

No, you didn't. Can you read? This is exactly what you said:

"In the 20's and 30's it happened again. Gangs were terrorizing the country. The FBI hunted them down and killed them. The violence stopped."

"Yea, my story was bull...it was me you imbecile. That's why I said "friend" in quotes."

And? That still doesn't make it true. You always conveniently have a personal story to back up your rhetoric. LMFAO!

"Are you that stupid? There are people on this page that know who I am and I was on the phone with one who heard the whole thing."

Are you stupid enough to believe that people would take you at your word? How convenient that you were on the phone with someone at the time to corroborate your story!

"The problem is that chicken sh--s like you don't get that some people out here aren't."

You're a tough-talker on the Internet, timbo. But you're really that same "chicken sh--t" you just mentioned. I can tell, just like everyone else can tell.

"These bangers get that...because they aren't as stupid as you are."

I bet they do, tough guy. They should thank their lucky stars they aren't half as stupid as you.

At the end of the day, you're still the same old Internet punk you've always been. All talk, all ignorance, and all lies. You're easily found out, timmy.

March 25, 2013 at 7:06 p.m.
conservative said...

nucanuck : "I am smart enough to know that the poorest of the poor don't even know what "family values" means. They have never experienced middle class family values."

Well now, whose fault is that? Your statement is not a solution.

You then move to education. Please, clue me in. I was sure school attendance was and has been mandatory for many, many years, when did that change? Home schoolers seem to do quite well. Is the problem teachers unions and the very Liberal NEA? If children won't learn who do YOU blame? The parent, the NEA?

No mention by you of the important role a traditional marriage ( a man and a woman ) has in raising good students and good citizens. Did that solution ever enter your mind?

March 25, 2013 at 7:10 p.m.
Easy123 said...

conservative,

"No mention by you of the important role a traditional marriage ( a man and a woman ) has in raising good students and good citizens."

Studies show that homosexual couples are equally capable of raising psychologically healthy, physically healthy, and well-adjusted children. "Traditional marriage" isn't important. However, the two-parent home is very important and plays a large role.

"Did that solution ever enter your mind?"

Did the fact that you're a bigot ever enter your mind? Or that you approach everything from a misguided, narrow worldview?

March 25, 2013 at 10:17 p.m.
nucanuck said...

timbo is right...killing all bad people will solve the problem, but that is so messy and the collateral damage...who pays for that? And if the hopeless poverty and dispair remain, we will just have to keep on killing because thre will be an endless supply of these "bad" people.

tombo, you win the prize for most thought-free post for the day.

March 25, 2013 at 11:18 p.m.
jjmez said...

No mention by you of the important role a traditional marriage ( a man and a woman ) has in raising good students and good citizens. Did that solution ever enter your mind?

THe above helps, but it's not a 100% cure all. After all, all those young people who went on mass killing sprees, killing several or who murdered their parents and entire families (1 even locally Hixson TN up there where Robin lives. Philip Badowski, I think was his name ), Harris/Kleibold, Virginia Tech shooter-Seung-Hui Cho, Jared Loughner, Adam Lanza(albeit his parents had divorced), came from what outwardly appeared to be **good, traditional, middle-classed, upper-middle-classed 2 parent households. With the exception of only one (Lanza) where the parents were divorced. However, in the case of many problems facing urban, poor and black families, I do believe the systematic break up of the traditional family unit, then throwing in other factors, has played a large role in the deterioration and downfall of a culture and people.

March 26, 2013 at 7:42 a.m.
conservative said...

nucanuck : "we should offer birth control knowledge and availability to all at an early age."

That is one of the most immoral recommendations one could make. Of course you don't mention the teaching of morals for then the Bible would come into the discussion. It seems taking away the innocence of children is just fine with you Liberals. Besides, with all the teen pregnancy, sex instruction in the schools and births out of wedlock, TV and Movies dealing with the subject, who doesn't know that sex leads to pregnancy?

"Abortion also should be available to those who feel trapped and completely unable to be a competent parent"

Ah, the old health of the mother ruse i.e. mental health. You will never justify the killing of the unborn no matter how hard you try.

March 26, 2013 at 7:59 a.m.
inquiringmind said...

I'm Caucasian so through no racial slurs my way. Robin is totally out to lunch here. Tell a young woman to testify and then return to the house where the gang lives next door. Walk a mile in her shoes.

I'm sure were it Robin she would be very forthcoming with the possibility of sacrificing her life, or that of her children or spouse and testify regardless of the danger - given her dedication to the public good and Christian ideals. Oh how I wish to see the world is such simple "black and white" terms.

March 26, 2013 at 12:21 p.m.
Easy123 said...

conservative,

"That is one of the most immoral recommendations one could make."

There is nothing immoral about birth control.

"Of course you don't mention the teaching of morals for then the Bible would come into the discussion."

Show us all the anti-birth control verses from the Bible.

"It seems taking away the innocence of children is just fine with you Liberals."

Birth control takes away the innocence of children? Knowledge takes away the innocence of children? Your psychosis has been duly noted.

"who doesn't know that sex leads to pregnancy?"

A lot of young people have very little knowledge on the subject.

"You will never justify the killing of the unborn no matter how hard you try."

Abortion doesn't have to be justified. It is the decision of the mother. Abortions happen every day and they always will. You have no power to stop them or judge the decision of the mother no matter how hard you try.

March 26, 2013 at 1:11 p.m.
conservative said...

" Aid for dependent children should be tied to the education of the mother"

Yes, let's continue to reward people for being stupid!

"Demonizing legal abortion on religious grounds should have no place in determining what is best for each individual."

So in the minds of Liberals, if it is legal it is not immoral. Good morals are always the best choice for each and every individual and for society as a whole. . Why is that truth so foreign to Liberals?

"One may as well be asleep as to read for anything but to improve his mind and morals, and regulate his conduct." Laurence Sterne

March 26, 2013 at 1:14 p.m.
Easy123 said...

conservative,

"Yes, let's continue to reward people for being stupid!"

It would actually be the opposite. You'd be rewarding people for being smart.

"So in the minds of Liberals, if it is legal it is not immoral."

It's not immoral because it isn't immoral. Legality has nothing to do with it.

"Good morals are always the best choice for each and every individual and for society as a whole."

Not your morals. Your morals are your own. Sorry to burst your bubble. Have you even read all the murder, rape, slavery, genocide in your Bible?

"Why is that truth so foreign to Liberals?"

Why is the truth so foreign to you and your Christian ilk?

March 26, 2013 at 1:17 p.m.
shen said...

timbo said... My "friend" said, "Would that be before or after I stuff you head first through your window.." Well, the gang banger got in his car, turned off his rap, and rolled up his window and left.

Easy, you ever notice these TALL tails always start off with a friend said? Or a friend of a friend? timbo, a real bonified gang-banger would have likely pulled his gun and shot your friend. So that sort of debunks the story. Either your friend profiled an innocent individual or your friend lied about the entire situation. It's scary how people can throw a word or term out there. Stick a label on someone, or an entire group of people, and everyone see what they've been instructed to see. No one takes the time to use common sense.

timbo again... In the late 1800's gangs were robbing banks and trains and the authorities just basically killed them all. They didn't try to "understand" them. I am sure some of them had worse situations than today's gang members.

No they didn't little timmy. Those bank robbers became your bankers and politicians. LOL

timbo AND again said.. In the 20's and 30's it happened again. Gangs were terrorizing the country. The FBI hunted them down and killed them. The violence stopped. Again, these guys probably grew up in some tough circumstances.

Wrong again, little timmy. The FBI and law enforcement hired them on as one of their own, or they became paid confidential informants.

Finally

little timidbo again... This gang problem needs to be handled in the same way but since these gangs are mainly black and Hispanic it is "racist" to take care of the problem

You forgot to mention such gangs as the KKK, Aryan nation, militia hate groups which are usually all white.

So take your little itchy finger off that trigger before you hurt yourself, little timidbo.

March 26, 2013 at 1:30 p.m.
conservative said...

nucanuck:

"We could create a pathway out of poverty if it were a priority. Sadly it is not."

Didn't you notice how Ms. Smith started her well written piece?

"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it." — Matthew 7:13

Furthermore, America is full of rewarding paths and opportunities; it is as Ms. Smith stated, a choice.

March 26, 2013 at 1:32 p.m.
Easy123 said...

conservative,

"Furthermore, America is full of rewarding paths and opportunities; it is as Ms. Smith stated, a choice."

Not always. You don't exactly have a choice which vagina you are born in. Being born into poverty is not a choice. Being born into a bad home situation is not a choice.

March 26, 2013 at 1:39 p.m.
shen said...

inquiringmind said... I'm Caucasian so through no racial slurs my way. Robin is totally out to lunch here. Tell a young woman to testify and then return to the house where the gang lives next door. Walk a mile in her shoes.

So true. And not saying that there was a threat of any kind, but it's also possible if there was a threat it didn't come from any alleged gang member or their family and friends. For whatever reason, authority or someone or with the help of someone or someones, seems to really want to push this every-problem-in-the-inner-city-black-community-is-gang-related A few things have been coming back to my memory on how this gang thing began to unfold. Like the plans gentrify certain targeted neighborhoods way back in the 1980s, which just so happened to be black and poor. Both terms gangs and gentrification cough! cough! revitalization seemingly showed up around the same time.

I'm sure were it Robin she would be very forthcoming with the possibility of sacrificing her life, or that of her children or spouse and testify regardless of the danger - given her dedication to the public good and Christian ideals. Oh how I wish to see the world is such simple "black and white" terms

Of course you're right on the money with this one. It's easy to sit above the clouds and look down on a situation, then declare "here's the problem so here's the solution." But reality just doesn't work that way.

March 26, 2013 at 1:42 p.m.
conservative said...

I cannot believe that this country cannot come together around some values, what these kids need is a moral life... the issue is not ideas, it is conduct. The real question is how we reach these young people morally, and what do we bring to them. Robert Coles

March 26, 2013 at 2:03 p.m.
Lr103 said...

what these kids need is a moral life

But with many adults in American trying to recapture their own youth and get their grove on, are there really any left to actually teach the young morales and values?

We have adults in authority position accused with serious crimes, many committed against children. Adults in authority position who are in constant struggle with their own demons of substance abuse, addictions (sexual, drugs other), alcoholism. Children who bully because they witness adults bullying. Adults who are intolerant of others who are different. Who make fun of people with handicap or other disabilities, overweight, skin color, religion, don't speak the English language well.

These behaviors can be found most anywhere, inside places of worship, in America's schools, with authority, in the home.

America's children are just emulating adult behavior. Adults can't teach what they themselves fail to practice. Don't blame the youth without first examining why adults today are setting poor examples.

March 26, 2013 at 6:47 p.m.
timbo said...

shen....just because you and your liberal friends are cowards, doesn't mean everyone is. People like you and that imbecile slEasy321 are the problem, not the solution.

March 27, 2013 at 3:40 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

so, timbo, just what are shen and Easy doing that causes kids to join gangs exactly?

March 27, 2013 at 3:45 p.m.
timbo said...

lkeithlu...That's an easy one...they don't want there to be any consequences for these gang bangers' crimes and that encourages more participation in gangs. Liberal thought is that their behavior is the fault of society that these people go bad. As I said before, that might make a little sense if not for the fact that most people growing up in the ghetto don't turn bad.

They also encourage it by discouraging people to have courage when confronted by a punk. Making fun of me for trying to take up for myself is a prime example. If these punks were confronted they might just think twice.

The last thing is something they missed in my previous post... THESE PUNKS ARE NOT THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO HAVE GUNS. The NRA sticker and the pick up truck might just give them a clue that they might have just run into someone that won't take their crap. These punks are not going to pick on someone who might just shoot them in the head.

When they see you liberals in your Hybrid and Obama sticker they pretty much know that they have an unarmed coward to take advantage of. Maybe you would just have an intellectual conversation about how society made this guy steal your wallet and your vehicle and he will cry on your shoulder and change his life. With enough of you lambs to be slaughtered, it makes it even less likely that they will do anything to someone like me...or my friend.

That stupid meeting with the gangs will only encourage more violence because it showed once and for all that the authorities are absolutely powerless. Basically they begged, "Please don't kill us or each other." Give me a break.

March 27, 2013 at 4:18 p.m.
Easy123 said...

timboner,

"they don't want there to be any consequences for these gang bangers' crimes and that encourages more participation in gangs."

I have never voiced that opinion nor do I espouse that belief. I just don't believe, as you do, that they should be killed outright.

"Liberal thought is that their behavior is the fault of society that these people go bad"

Society plays a large part. I have not removed any blame from the individual, but I do not place all the blame on the individual as you do.

"As I said before, that might make a little sense if not for the fact that most people growing up in the ghetto don't turn bad."

As I've said before, all people are different. Some can go through the same circumstances and turn out totally different. However, the ones that do succeed, do it IN SPITE of their circumstances. Society still plays a role. There were just different responses to the same stimuli.

"They also encourage it by discouraging people to have courage when confronted by a punk."

Neither shen nor I have espoused any such belief.

"Making fun of me for trying to take up for myself is a prime example. If these punks were confronted they might just think twice."

No one made fun of you. I simply don't believe your fabricated story. You didn't confront anyone. Even if you did, how did you know the individual was a gang member? Because he was black? This whole issue is about confronting the violence and gangs. I support confronting the issue. I just simply don't believe your story and I highly doubt anyone else does either. You are a known liar. Your story is made up to support your rhetoric. There isn't an ounce of truth behind it and you know it.

"The NRA sticker and the pick up truck might just give them a clue that they might have just run into someone that won't take their crap. These punks are not going to pick on someone who might just shoot them in the head."

If you think for one second that a criminal or gang members cares about your NRA sticker or the fact that you have a truck, then you are the most deluded person here. What does a group of 16-20 year olds have to fear from an NRA sticker and a pickup truck? This just goes to show how truly insane you really are. Gang members have shootouts with other gang members with guns. Why in the hell would they be scared of you?

March 27, 2013 at 4:34 p.m.
Easy123 said...

timboner (continued),

"When they see you liberals in your Hybrid and Obama sticker they pretty much know that they have an unarmed coward to take advantage of."

You have conjured that up. How many victims of gang-related crimes drove a hybrid or had an Obama sticker? Nothing you say is based on facts.

"Maybe you would just have an intellectual conversation about how society made this guy steal your wallet and your vehicle and he will cry on your shoulder and change his life."

Talking to these people, understanding them, giving them options and hope is the only way to stop this problem. Your solutions have not and will not work. Violence breeds violence. It always has and it always will.

"With enough of you lambs to be slaughtered, it makes it even less likely that they will do anything to someone like me...or my friend."

They won't do anything to either of us. Gang members kill each other and people that live around them. They aren't following you home or shooting up the suburbs. Your xenophobia, racism, and patent fear is palpable.

"That stupid meeting with the gangs will only encourage more violence because it showed once and for all that the authorities are absolutely powerless."

Meetings like that are the only way to get gang members to stop fighting. Diplomacy works. The authorities are powerless in this situation. They have no power over ignorance. The only way to help these people is to educated them, give them structure, give them hope and allow them to make good choices.

"Basically they begged, "Please don't kill us or each other." Give me a break."

It's a lot better than your solution. You are very illogical, callous and ignorant. Old school justice will not solve the problem and it never has despite your misguided feelings to the contrary.

Sorry, timboner, but you lose again. You and your ilk are being snuffed out. Your ignorance and lies will not fly anymore. I pity you and anyone that thinks like you. You are truly a shame on all human beings.

March 27, 2013 at 4:42 p.m.
Easy123 said...

timboner,

"just because you and your liberal friends are cowards, doesn't mean everyone is. People like you and that imbecile slEasy321 are the problem, not the solution."

How are we cowards? You're the one that feels the need to stockpile guns and parade your NRA sticker around. You're obviously afraid of something. You, sir, are the coward. Gun's don't make you tough or bulletproof despite what your childish mind may lead you to believe.

YOU and people like you aren't a problem anymore. You have no say so and your ilk is quickly becoming a smaller minority in this country. The solutions are obvious, but you and your ilk haven't come up with even one of those solutions EVER. Society is quickly overcoming ignorance like yours and it will continue that trend up fools like yourself are completely rooted out.

March 27, 2013 at 4:48 p.m.
Lr103 said...

Easy123 said... timboner, "they don't want there to be any consequences for these gang bangers' crimes and that encourages more participation in gangs."

I have never voiced that opinion nor do I espouse that belief. I just don't believe, as you do, that they should be killed outright.


Easy, I doubt if timboner even realize just how irrational, unstable, dangerous and crazed he comes across sounding to others. It's those responsible-licensed-gun-owners like this kat that bears close scrutinty. Anyone who automatically assume that just because someone was playing their music too loud is a gang-bsnger couldn't possibly have their nugget wrapped too tight.

For sure, there are a few in TN, timmie included, who are just salivating in anticipation of testing Tennessee's Stand Your Ground Law. But just ask Florida dude who shot and killed a teen at a Florida gas station after confronting the teen about his loud music (likely where limboner got that story about a friend. Then tried to run and hide behind Florida's Stand Your Ground law. It didn't work! He, Michael Dunn, is charged with 1 count of first degree murder and 3 counts of attempted first degree murder. As of March 19, 2013 he was still sitting in jail for the Nov. 2012 shooting death of Jordan Davis and attempted murder of 3 other youths at a Florida gas station. So before you and your cohorts let y'alls fingers get any more itchy..........consider the consequences. timboner, what you're advocating here (going out and picking off what you preceive to be gang-bangers and killing them could very well be taken as a serious threat, that bears closer scrutiny. You're like some throw back to some southern bygone era.

March 27, 2013 at 5:09 p.m.
timbo said...

Lr103....And what you liberals have advocated has worked? To stand up for yourself or protect your family is not "crazy." It wasn't me that was playing "Dixie" at that gas station as loud as I could offending everyone. I'll just bet that if I had been playing Dixie you and the rest of you liberal hypocrites would have been defending that punk for saying something to me about turning it down.

By the way, self-defense is not murder. I was not advocating killing someone at a gas station for playing music too loud. On the other hand, you are advocating that it is ok for this punk to threaten someone for asking him to be polite and turn it off. Again, you libs will never, ever, blame the punks. It is always blame the victim.

To most of us conservatives everything out of your mouths is bizarre so I know how you feel. Liberal policies have plunged this country into a cultural and economic mess. Since Johnson's Great Society and trillions of dollars our society has made a plunge into hell.

I DIDN'T THREATEN ANYONE. I MADE AN ANALOGY TO OTHER TIMES IN OUR HISTORY WHEN GANG PROBLEMS PRESENTED THEMSELVES AND HOW OUR GOVERNMENT REACTED TO THEM. I ALSO SAID THAT STANDING UP TO THEIR VIOLENCE WITH A LITTLE COURAGE (Something you and slEasy no nothing about) IS A MUCH BETTER SOLUTION THAN "UNDERSTANDING" AND ENABLING THEIR BEHAVIOR. YOUR EMOTIONAL RESPONSE AND EXAGGERATION OF WHAT I REALLY SAID JUST SHOWS HOW SCREWED UP AND SICK YOU AND SLEASY321 REALLY ARE. I WON'T BE INTIMIDATED BY YOU LIBERAL IDIOTS THAT ARE TRYING TO SHUT CONSERVATIVES UP. YOU CAN ALL GO TO HELL.

(BY THE WAY, YOU ARE CENSORING "A----E" BUT YOU LET easy123 use the term "b------t")

March 28, 2013 at 11:17 a.m.
timbo said...

slEasy321....You will not bully me about using your "closer scrutiny" comment by putting words in my mouth. You are the most reprehensible person that writes on these pages. This the typical liberal MO, everyone else is crazy except for liberal idiots like you.

You and some of the other pinkos on this page is why I despise liberalism. It is not your philosophy it is the pieces of crap like you that it attracts. You have absolutely bastardized the liberal philosophy into some sick, politically correct morass that no one could even recognize as a coherent alternative.

March 28, 2013 at 11:33 a.m.
Easy123 said...

timboner,

"You will not bully me about using your "closer scrutiny" comment by putting words in my mouth."

I'm not trying to bully anyone. And Lr103 made the comment about "closer scrutiny", not I. Learn how to read.

"You are the most reprehensible person that writes on these pages."

And you are the most ignorant, lying, pitiful piece of excrement of this entire website.

"This the typical liberal MO, everyone else is crazy except for liberal idiots like you."

You are crazy. Look at you post to Lr103. Are you mad? Did you caps lock get stuck? LMFAO!

"You and some of the other pinkos on this page is why I despise liberalism. It is not your philosophy it is the pieces of crap like you that it attracts. You have absolutely bastardized the liberal philosophy into some sick, politically correct morass that no one could even recognize as a coherent alternative."

No one cares, timboner. Your baseless, ignorant opinion is of no consequence to me. You have no clue what you're talking about. Everything you say is either ridiculously ignorant or completely false.

March 28, 2013 at 11:55 a.m.
Easy123 said...

timboner,

"It wasn't me that was playing "Dixie" at that gas station as loud as I could offending everyone."

Since when is loud music "offensive"? I'm pretty sure that's completely legal considering you were supposedly at a gas station.

"I'll just bet that if I had been playing Dixie you and the rest of you liberal hypocrites would have been defending that punk for saying something to me about turning it down."

You are defending yourself for saying something to him. You should be the one defending him by telling you to turn your music down. This is your cause, remember? Does the offensive music only apply to young people? Or maybe it just applies to African-American kids that you deem "punks" or "gangbangers". And I guess you and others like you are the only ones that have the right to tell others to turn their music down, correct?

"By the way, self-defense is not murder. I was not advocating killing someone at a gas station for playing music too loud."

This is what you advocated:

"First of all, someone pointing a gun at you doesn't deserve "understanding." They need a bullet in the head..or be arrested."

"...the authorities just basically killed them all."

"The FBI hunted them down and killed them."

Sounds a lot like murder to me.

"On the other hand, you are advocating that it is ok for this punk to threaten someone for asking him to be polite and turn it off."

No one has advocated that. Try again, liar.

"Again, you libs will never, ever, blame the punks. It is always blame the victim."

This goes contrary to everything that any "lib" has said on this site. Try again, liar.

"To most of us conservatives everything out of your mouths is bizarre so I know how you feel."

Welcome to my world.

"Liberal policies have plunged this country into a cultural and economic mess."

WingNuts policies have plunged this country into cultural and economic mess.

March 28, 2013 at 12:07 p.m.
Easy123 said...

timboner (continued),

"I DIDN'T THREATEN ANYONE."

Yes, you did. I provided the proof above.

"I ALSO SAID THAT STANDING UP TO THEIR VIOLENCE WITH A LITTLE COURAGE (Something you and slEasy no nothing about) IS A MUCH BETTER SOLUTION THAN "UNDERSTANDING" AND ENABLING THEIR BEHAVIOR."

You didn't stand up to anything. You made up a story about telling some kid to turn his music down. There was no violence in your fictional story. The fictional kid probably wasn't a gang member either. The kid didn't approach you or initiate conversation with you. You instigated the exchange in your fictional story, remember? The fictional gang banger didn't just drive up and threaten you. You don't have courage. You have a false sense of it because you have an NRA sticker and a pickup truck. Hell, your story isn't even real. What courage could you possible gain from a fictional story that you made up to support your WingNut, psychotic ramblings?

"YOUR EMOTIONAL RESPONSE AND EXAGGERATION OF WHAT I REALLY SAID JUST SHOWS HOW SCREWED UP AND SICK YOU AND SLEASY321 REALLY ARE."

Everything I and Lr103 have said is supported by facts. Nothing emotional or exaggerated about the responses. You are the screwed up and sick one. Notice how you're typing in all caps? You're obviously angry.

"I WON'T BE INTIMIDATED BY YOU LIBERAL IDIOTS THAT ARE TRYING TO SHUT CONSERVATIVES UP. YOU CAN ALL GO TO HELL."

You've already been shut up. You're just rambling at this point. You and your ilk are being snuffed out. And you can kiss my ass.

"(BY THE WAY, YOU ARE CENSORING "A----E" BUT YOU LET easy123 use the term "b------t")"

You're one whiny little bitch, aren't you?

March 28, 2013 at 12:13 p.m.
jjmez said...

I was going to jump in, but I think Easy123 got it all under control and summed up to a perfect "T"

March 28, 2013 at 1:22 p.m.
gjuster said...

Easy and group -

The story Timbo reported on the loud music and what happened is true, I know this for a fact.

March 28, 2013 at 2:25 p.m.
Easy123 said...

gjuster,

"The story Timbo reported on the loud music and what happened is true, I know this for a fact."

Why would I or anyone believe you or timbo? You're obviously in cahoots.

The story is obviously untrue. This isn't the first time timbo has conveniently had a story to support his rhetoric. That fact, along with the ridiculousness of the story, leads me and any serious, logical person to believe that timbo is, in fact, lying and you, knowing timbo personally, are trying to vouch for him by corroborating the story. I call bullsh!t.

March 28, 2013 at 2:58 p.m.
gjuster said...

So - according to you , I'm lying. Interesting - pretty hard to have a conversation when you tell me I'm lying about something you were not at that I know to be true. I give you a cold hard fact - I guess you can do anything you want with it - you can choose to not believe the truth. Something you are good at. Timbo is a big boy, trust me, he doesn't need my protection, and I don't agree with everything he says - you should hear our conversations some time. But unfortunately for you, it is a true story. You not wanting to believe doesn't make it less true.

March 28, 2013 at 4:15 p.m.
Easy123 said...

gjuster,

"So - according to you , I'm lying."

Correct.

"Interesting - pretty hard to have a conversation when you tell me I'm lying about something you were not at that I know to be true."

Who said I was trying to have a conversation with you?

"I give you a cold hard fact - I guess you can do anything you want with it - you can choose to not believe the truth."

I choose not to believe the lie that timbo is telling and the lie that you are trying to corroborate. The fact that you are trying to convince me only reaffirms my notion that you and timbo are lying.

"Something you are good at."

I tend to not believe things said by proven liars.

"Timbo is a big boy, trust me, he doesn't need my protection, and I don't agree with everything he says - you should hear our conversations some time."

I could not care less about anything you just said.

"But unfortunately for you, it is a true story. You not wanting to believe doesn't make it less true."

What about the story being true or false is unfortunate for me? It isn't a true story. Sorry to burst your illogical bubble, but you trying to pass it off as true does not make it any more true.

March 28, 2013 at 4:41 p.m.
gjuster said...

Easy - You calling the color blue red doesn't make it red. You not believing that the story is true doesn't make it false when it is true. This is why your smarmy answers ring false - you refuse to realize true facts when they are corroborated. As for not caring about what I said - another falsehood, or you wouldn't have your knickers in a bunch about it. As for proven liar - please inform me what I have lied about now or in the past - to use your own argument in answer to what you have said- Strawman.

March 28, 2013 at 5:47 p.m.
timbo said...

slEasy321..... Just answer one specific question please. If I had pulled into a gas station with Dixie blaring out as loud as I possibly could from two huge speakers with my windows rolled down in 31° weather would that have been okay?

March 28, 2013 at 5:51 p.m.
Easy123 said...

gjuster,

"You calling the color blue red doesn't make it red."

And you calling the color red "purple" doesn't make it purple.

"You not believing that the story is true doesn't make it false when it is true."

You saying the story is true doesn't make it true when, in fact, it is false.

"This is why your smarmy answers ring false - you refuse to realize true facts when they are corroborated."

Nothing smarmy or false about my statements. You refuse to realize that your corroboration of the story means absolutely nothing to me.

"As for not caring about what I said - another falsehood, or you wouldn't have your knickers in a bunch about it."

How is it a falsehood? I didn't address one thing you said in the statements I was referring to. My knickers aren't in a bunch, yours are. You're the one trying to convince me of something that I will never believe. You're the one going on and on about it. I'm simply responding to you because you're addressing me.

"As for proven liar - please inform me what I have lied about now or in the past - to use your own argument in answer to what you have said- Strawman."

Refer to anything that you and I have debated about before. You wouldn't believe it if I presented it to you with annotations and verified evidence because you're delusional and cannot grasp the truth when it is revealed to you. You might want to research what a strawman is as well. I haven't presented anything even remotely resembling a strawman.

March 28, 2013 at 6:26 p.m.
Easy123 said...

timboner,

"If I had pulled into a gas station with Dixie blaring out as loud as I possibly could from two huge speakers with my windows rolled down in 31° weather would that have been okay? "

Absolutely. Unlike you, I'm not an obnoxious prick. You wouldn't have been ok with it though. You would have said something to yourself, correct? LMFAO! I doubt it. But because your fictional "punk" was an African-American teen and a perceived "gang banger", you felt it necessary to enforce a noise ordinance over the gas station. And since you have an NRA sticker and drive a pickup truck, you perceive that as "courage". You're such a tough guy in your fictional story, timmy!

Your story and your logic is bullsh!t. You're a liar and a hypocrite, timboner.

March 28, 2013 at 6:30 p.m.
gjuster said...

Timbo - I do see someone's knickers in a bunch, don't you. Easy, I am still laughing at your response. No need for more, I can't take the pain in my stomach from laughing so hard at your responses. Thanks for the entertainment.

March 28, 2013 at 6:34 p.m.
Easy123 said...

gjuster,

"I do see someone's knickers in a bunch, don't you."

Are you looking in a mirror?

"Easy, I am still laughing at your response. No need for more, I can't take the pain in my stomach from laughing so hard at your responses. Thanks for the entertainment."

No, you aren't. LMFAO! But I always find it funny when people like you have to resort to such lies. I get it. You aren't intelligent enough to go on and you need to find a way out of the conversation/debate so you attempt to get the last word by trying to act like something I've said is somehow comical or ridiculous. Your tactics are obvious. But stupid is as stupid does, right?

Don't let the door hit you on the way out!

:-)

March 28, 2013 at 6:47 p.m.
shen said...

timbo said... slEasy321..... Just answer one specific question please. If I had pulled into a gas station with Dixie blaring out as loud as I possibly could from two huge speakers with my windows rolled down in 31° weather would that have been okay?

Just curious, but what does 31* weather have to do with it? It's a free country, last anyone heard. If you want to play Dixie, play Dixie. However, no one has the right to either confront you or end your life for blaring your stereo, and certainly not worth a confrontation that could turn violent or even deadly.

gjuster, you should be ashamed of yourself for encouraging people like timbo. It's obvious this individual is paranoid and might be borderline or full blown psychotic. Blaring stereo music might be an annoyance, and may violate city code noise ordinance, but beyond that it's not worth sweating the small stuff. If the stereo music bothered Timbo's friend that much, why didn't he just call the police?Timbo appears to be just looking for excuses to confront, and possibly shoot someone. Beyond that, nothing he is saying makes any rational sense. Pay close attention to the term rational. This individual is odd beyond reason and logic.

Easy, I think gjuster is vice president or something of the local Tea Party, and these individuals posting all this crap are the partys diehard followers. They have these individuals so brainwashed they can't reason or operate on a rational level.

March 28, 2013 at 6:59 p.m.
timbo said...

Shen...... Are you really that dumb? The reason I mentioned 31° weather was because his windows were down for everybody at the gas station could hear his music he was trying to get on our nerves you imbecile. That was the point, it wasn't just a nuisance it was an aggressive act by him. No One in their right mind would have their windows down in that kind of weather unless they were trying to make a point. So I called his bluff. It was no different than those Occupy Wall Street people Who were aggressively trying to get on peoples nerves or some Black Panther standing with a billy club in front of a polling place. I guess their bad behavior was okay wasn't it?

Brainwashed? You and the rest of you liberals are the Epitome of brainwashed. You all answer in unison like a flock of geese using All the same talking points and all the same tactics. The main tactic is making fun of your rivals and then saying they're crazy because they don't agree with you.

You people are the ones we need to be keep an eye on. You want the government to have absolute power over the rest of us.. You are so cowardly that you expect everybody else to put up with any kind of crap that These protected classes Want to dish out.

If we give in to people like you and sleazy 321 this country is doomed.

March 28, 2013 at 7:36 p.m.
Easy123 said...

timboner,

"The reason I mentioned 31° weather was because his windows were down for everybody at the gas station could hear his music he was trying to get on our nerves you imbecile."

Yeah, this fictional "punk" was intentionally trying to get on your nerves. You have no clue how crazy you sound, do you?

"That was the point, it wasn't just a nuisance it was an aggressive act by him."

UNBELIEVABLE! I can say, without a doubt in my mind, that you are clinically and patently psychotic.

"No One in their right mind would have their windows down in that kind of weather unless they were trying to make a point."

UNBELIEVABLE! I can say, without a doubt in my mind, that you are clinically and patently psychotic.

"So I called his bluff."

You did nothing of the sort. Your fictional story is completely false and you are patently insane.

"It was no different than those Occupy Wall Street people Who were aggressively trying to get on peoples nerves or some Black Panther standing with a billy club in front of a polling place."

There is no parallel between any of those things and your fictional story.

"I guess their bad behavior was okay wasn't it?"

Your fictional bad behavior is psychosis at its deepest level.

"Brainwashed? You and the rest of you liberals are the Epitome of brainwashed. You all answer in unison like a flock of geese using All the same talking points and all the same tactics. The main tactic is making fun of your rivals and then saying they're crazy because they don't agree with you."

You've just described yourself and your ilk to a T. You are guilty of everything you just said. Considering how oblivious you are to that fact would lead any sane person to believe that you were, in fact, brainwashed. And that's not even counting your inane, psychotic ramblings.

"You people are the ones we need to be keep an eye on."

Please do, psycho.

"You want the government to have absolute power over the rest of us.."

Verifiably and absolutely false.

"You are so cowardly that you expect everybody else to put up with any kind of crap that These protected classes Want to dish out."

YOU are the coward. YOU are the paranoid one. YOU are the one that want these "protected classes". YOU are psychotic. YOU are a liar. YOU are overtly insane. Nothing you say is factual. Nothing you say is accurate. Nothing you say is sincere. Nothing you say is could even pass pseudo-intelligent.

March 28, 2013 at 8:02 p.m.
Easy123 said...

timboner (continued),

"If we give in to people like you and sleazy 321 this country is doomed."

You don't have to give in. You've already lost. You are part of the rapidly diminishing minority. You and your ilk are destined to fail. You and your beliefs are patently ignorant and misguided. Your lies will not pass for truth. Your ignorance will always be confronted. You lies will always be exposed. You have no where to hide, tough guy. You and your ilk are quickly being rooted out of this country. The ignorance, bigotry, psychosis, insanity, lies, misinformation, racism, and hatred will forever be exposed and you will be ridiculed for it until there is no safe place for you to voice your beliefs. The battle you are fighting has already been lost. You and your ilk will forever be on the wrong side of history.

March 28, 2013 at 8:02 p.m.
shen said...

timbo said... Shen...... Are you really that dumb? The reason I mentioned 31° weather was because his windows were down for everybody at the gas station could hear his music he was trying to get on our nerves you imbecile

And you know this to be a fact, timbo? I drive with my windows down in cold weather sometimes too. I like the mixture of cold weather and heat blowing from my car heater. You really do need to get some help. Your paranoia is really irrational.

"So I called his bluff."

Previously, you said it was a friend. Which is it?

"No One in their right mind would have their windows down in that kind of weather unless they were trying to make a point."

See first response. I have. I do. Especially to help keep me awake when having worked double and sometimes triple shifts, or traveling long distances. The cold air keeps you alert.

Get help timbo. You're seeing things that aren't there. The world is not out to do you harm, and neither are these young men you feel the need to confront. They're in more danger from someone like you than you are from them.

Seriously. This is not an insult of any kind against you, but I actually feel sorry for you. You've allowed fear and paranoia to take control of commons sense. Your reasonings are not normal. Why someone like gjuster would encourage you rather than trying to explain your irrationality is not normal to you makes him appear even more irrational than you.

It really saddens me what some people are trying to stir up in Chattanooga. It's like a remax of 1906 and Walnut Street Bridge. The ones stirring up all this will be far removed from the outcome if and when sparks start to fly. Really sad. My family and I have been considering leaving the city altogether for quite sometimes now because of all the hate and intolerance. We certainly don't advise others to come to the city. It's not because of the alleged crime or gangs, but we fear their safety might be compromised by people like you who apparently see anyone who looks or dress differently as a threat of some kind. My friends and family come in a variety of shades and are from various cultural, ethnic, religious and foreign backgrounds. Get Help/PLEASE!!

March 28, 2013 at 8:32 p.m.
timbo said...

Shen..... 911 just because you and sleazy exaggerated what I said and put words in my mouth doesn't mean I am wrong. There is nothing crazier than the liberal philosophy. Communism Socialism Marxism is failed all over the world. We Used your touchy-feely methods and got absolutely nothing the gang problem grows and grows.. As usual with liberals you have taken some of my comments out of context and then basically lied about them.

You and people like sleazy will never get me to shut up. Using this tactic that Liberals use to say that anybody who doesn't agree with them is An old tired tactic that won't work.

The definition of crazy is repeating the same things over and over that haven't worked. Praise he is just throwing money at every problem and hoping it will get better. Crazy is putting up with these punks and having them make us all change our lives to fit their their crooked path Crazy is making fun of people with a little courage while celebrating people who act cowardly.

Me, crazy? I'm not crazy enough to live downtown. I'm not crazy enough to vote Democratic like some Pavlov's dog.

Liberalism is a mental illness. Ignoring facts, overlooking bad behavior, and spending money like there was no tomorrow is the absolute example of nuts crazy.

If it weren't so sad that you were putting the country at risk you guys would kind of be funny. Now you and sleazy get back to your padded cells at Moccasin Bend.

March 29, 2013 at 8:29 a.m.
shen said...

timbo said...The definition of crazy is repeating the same things over and over that haven't worked.

You just defined yourself, timbo. You keep repeating the same old craziness and lunacy over and over and over and over. Yet, you don't even recognize your own craziness. Get help!

Praise he is just throwing money at every problem and hoping it will get better.

The only ones pushing and peddling the fear are the ones who want pay raises, promotions and job security for themselves. Get Help!!

Crazy is putting up with these punks and having them make us all change our lives

Speak for yourself, timbo. No one, but you and your group, have felt the need to change your lives because of some irrational and ill conceived threat. GET HELP!!

..........911 is no justification for such insane and irrational behavior. You can exploit 911 as an excuse for your and yours irrationality and hate, but there's no true logical reason or justification for it. *GET HELP!!!!!!!!

March 29, 2013 at 10:06 a.m.
Easy123 said...

timboner,

"911 just because you and sleazy exaggerated what I said and put words in my mouth doesn't mean I am wrong."

Calling 911 is the legal thing to do and no one has put a single word in your mouth, liar.

"There is nothing crazier than the liberal philosophy."

There is nothing crazier than timbo's philosophy.

"Communism Socialism Marxism is failed all over the world."

No one here advocates Communism, Socialism, or Marxism. You're insane for believing such things.

"We Used your touchy-feely methods and got absolutely nothing the gang problem grows and grows.."

Those methods haven't been used much. However, when they are, they work. Violence, guns, and ignorance make the gang problem grow.

"As usual with liberals you have taken some of my comments out of context and then basically lied about them."

No, we haven't. Everything you said is taken in context and is understood exactly how you meant it.

"You and people like sleazy will never get me to shut up."

Yes, we will. We've already reached that threshold. You and your ilk are being exposed for what you really are. Your psychosis is easily observed.

"Using this tactic that Liberals use to say that anybody who doesn't agree with them is An old tired tactic that won't work."

It isn't a tactic. You discredit yourself. We are just exposing it. Your beliefs are insane. Opinions like yours carry no weight in the real world. Everyone can see that you are an ignorant bigot. You have done that yourself.

"The definition of crazy is repeating the same things over and over that haven't worked."

That isn't the definition of crazy, moron.

"Praise he is just throwing money at every problem and hoping it will get better. Crazy is putting up with these punks and having them make us all change our lives to fit their their crooked path Crazy is making fun of people with a little courage while celebrating people who act cowardly."

Crazy is timbo. Nothing you say is even remotely sane. Nothing you say is accurate. You have no courage. You are the coward.

"Me, crazy? I'm not crazy enough to live downtown. I'm not crazy enough to vote Democratic like some Pavlov's dog."

You are, in fact, ignorant and show signs of psychosis. You are a racist and a bigot as well. You vote Republican because of these facts.

"Liberalism is a mental illness."

WingNutism is a mental illness.

"Ignoring facts, overlooking bad behavior, and spending money like there was no tomorrow is the absolute example of nuts crazy."

You've successfully described yourself.

"If it weren't so sad that you were putting the country at risk you guys would kind of be funny. Now you and sleazy get back to your padded cells at Moccasin Bend."

You are sad and funny. Get back to accosting fictional "punks" and being ignorant.

March 29, 2013 at 12:48 p.m.
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