published Saturday, May 4th, 2013

The Warning Label

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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AndrewLohr said...

Pakistan zindabad (= long live Pakistan). Tragedy, yes, that a huge sweatshop in Bangladesh collapsed and killed hundreds of people. So ban sweatshops or ban imports from them? But they enable people in poor countries (I've lived in Pakistan) to earn, say, $3 per day instead of $2. Making wealth a little more equal--liberals should love them! Making stuff people want to buy--conservatives should love them too! And I think Bangladesh caught the owner, who had been warned the place was unsafe; death by stoning, anyone? If it was good enough for triune Jehovah, Moses, and Gary North, who cares what the French think?

May 4, 2013 at 12:31 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

BEWARE REPUBLICAN VALUES

Workers making $3 per day? Republicans like.

Products making owners filthy rich? Republicans like.

Commercial property damage? Republicans like a bailout, please.

A few hundred workers killed on the job?

That's what republicans call the price of doing business.

May 4, 2013 at 1:58 a.m.
hambone said...

Clay, this will give EM what they have been wanting.

No Obama mentioned

No Gays mentioned

No gun control mentioned

No mention of religeon

JUST GOOD OL AMERICAN CAPITALISM !!

May 4, 2013 at 3:47 a.m.
anniebelle said...

Unfortunately, this is what the GOP has planned for this country as soon as they can get rid of those pesky ol' unions, workers rights, regulations on the greedy CEO's (they like to call them 'job creators') and that silly child labor law.

May 4, 2013 at 6:10 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Obama blames shoddy American materials for Bangladesh tragedy.

May 4, 2013 at 7:18 a.m.
dougmusn said...

Sadly, the Bangladeshi collapse is but the latest in an ongoing saga of exploitation of one group by another which was most memorably foretold over 600 years ago in the Canterbury Tales:

"Radix malorum est cupiditas" (The root of evil is greed)

The list is long and includes such items as:

The Bangladeshi collapse The child soldiers of Africa Migrant farm labor ("The Harvest of Shame") Slavery from 1700's to the present day The Triangle Shirtwaist fire Construction of the pyramids of Egypt

Whether done by a CEO, a warlord, an emperor or a pharaoh, the use of power for profit never comes out well.

The real issue is not the lamentation of yet another tragedy--there will always be more--but what we do about it individually and collectively. If we are stuck with production of goods through exploitation, how do we act? After gloating over a $10 shirt, do we send $1 to an effective NGO or a local food bank to lessen the time these workers might be at risk? Or do we just whistle in the dark?

May 4, 2013 at 8:02 a.m.
tifosi said...

It was the unions that caused Detroit to disintegrate and many jobs to go overseas.

May 4, 2013 at 8:03 a.m.
limric said...

Ooh I’ll bet that tag irritates the back of your neck.

A short time ago my granddaughter (who I consider a mild Fashionista) brought a book with her while visiting and I flipped through it. 'Lo’ and Behold,’ the garment building collapsed in Bangladesh and then NPR interviewed Elizabeth Cline, the author of, Overdressed: The Shockingly High Cost of Cheap Fashion
Serendipity?

An excerpt: “I always hear in the news that we’re going to shop our way out of the current recession. It’s hard to believe when you consider what’s happened to the domestic garment industry, once an important segment of America’s manufacturing base. The United States now makes 3 percent of the clothing its consumers purchase, down from about 50 percent in 1990. We have chosen low-priced clothes made in other countries, and the loss of our garment trades has contributed to a decline in domestic wages, the loss of the middle class, and the problem of unemployment, especially for those at the bottom of the economic ladder. It would now take tremendous investment and training to get our garment industry back in shape to compete with other countries, particularly China, where a staggering 41 percent of our clothes are now made. I traveled to the factories there and was astonished at not only the sophistication of their factories but by how the American consumer lifestyle is spreading there as well.”

Before the traditional wrangling, finger pointing and character assassinations begin, may I suggest listening to the ‘On Point’ NPR interview I mentioned above? I’ve provided the link below. It’s about 45 minutes long so anyone with short attention span may not be able, or want to, digest what this very informative author has to say.

http://onpoint.wbur.org/2012/06/06/the-high-cost-of-cheap-fashion

May 4, 2013 at 8:20 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Cinco de Mayo attendance way off in Mexico. Most are in the U.S. frolicking at the Amnesty party.

May 4, 2013 at 8:23 a.m.
conservative said...

So, what are the Liberals to do with all of their clothing they purchased at Gap, Banana Republic and Old Navy?

I say they will not only keep them but continue shopping.

May 4, 2013 at 8:24 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

So, conservative, where do you shop? Or is it just liberals that buy clothes made overseas? Enlighten us on your saintlihood and patriotism.

May 4, 2013 at 8:33 a.m.
anniebelle said...

I can’t imagine how anybody could blame this on our benevolent corporations. This is what’s headed to the USA as soon as the Koch Brothers take over this country. Thursday, the Walt Disney Company publicly disclosed that it is ending the production of licensed merchandise in Bangladesh following a string of garment factory accidents in the country This follows a devastating fire that killed 112 people at another Bangladeshi factory last year, one that was churning out goods for Wal-Mart. The TIME cover story about the renaissance of American manufacturing, and the decline of the outsourcing boom to emerging markets cites among the many reasons listed for this trend was the sense that complex supply chains increase the risk of health, safety, labor and environmental catastrophes (like in West, Texas), which can destroy the reputation of the Western multinational firms doing the outsourcing. Tifosi, you know the unions didn't cause the collapse of Detroit it was the greedy CEO's who couldn't get their workers to work for slave wages. Do you really want to go back to no 40 hour work week, no vacation or sick pay, etc.?

May 4, 2013 at 8:44 a.m.
MickeyRat said...

A number of prominent Republican Congressmen it turns out have investments and part ownerships in the collapsed and other Bangladesh garment factories.

May 4, 2013 at 8:49 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

The head SC den, Dick Hartpootlian (no, I'm not kidding) says dems "should send R Gov. Nikki Haley back to where she came from". (she's of Indian heritage) Can you even imagine the tumult if an R had said that about a dem? Would be all over the news. Would it not, lefties?

May 4, 2013 at 9:01 a.m.
anniebelle said...

How about sending our president back to Kenya? Do you vaguely remember that? Try your juvenile tactics on your own ilk, they don't work with people that 'think' and know the 'truth'. I might add, she is from India, President Obama is from Hawaii, not Kenya.

May 4, 2013 at 9:04 a.m.
conservative said...

Hurry Mr. Bennett, cut that label off your Obama t-shirt.

May 4, 2013 at 9:14 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Methinks thou art a hypocrite, conservative.

May 4, 2013 at 9:16 a.m.
jjmez said...

anniebelle said... This is what’s headed to the USA as soon as the Koch Brothers take over this country.

GOP businessmen have always been heavily invested in those overseas sweatshops. They're the ones who financed the businesses and got them off the ground.

May 4, 2013 at 9:23 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Ikeithlu asks: "So, conservative, where do you shop? Enlighten us on your saintlihood and patriotism."

I seriously doubt that Conservative buys clothing. His posts suggest he lives in the world of the Old Testament. His wardrobe is probably limited to a few fig leaves placed here and there.

May 4, 2013 at 9:25 a.m.
alprova said...

Ike, you know that the clothes that connie wears, fall down from Heaven and gracefully, magically, fitting him like a glove.

I'm sure he follows the Bible to the letter and does not wear any "strange clothing" too.

Zephaniah 1:8 - "And it shall come to pass in the day of the LORD's sacrifice, that I will punish the princes, and the king's children, and all such as are clothed with strange apparel."

A recent photograph of him was taken as he departed a local Starbucks. He has his own graven copy of the ten commandments in one hand and his Double Mocha Machiatto® in the other;

http://www.esquire.com/cm/esquire/images/ask-the-bible-1007-lg.jpg

May 4, 2013 at 9:42 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

snort

Now THAT is funny!

May 4, 2013 at 9:47 a.m.
alprova said...

nooga, PlainTruth is the reincarnation of JackDennis. He just couldn't stay away, nor change his posting habits.

Trolls just love this forum, for some reason.

May 4, 2013 at 9:48 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Anniebelle notes: “This follows a devastating fire that killed 112 people at another Bangladeshi factory last year, one that was churning out goods for Wal-Mart.”

Yes, I believe this was the Tazreen Fashions factory in Savar, Bangladesh – owned by the Tuba Group – and it supplies clothing to a number of retailers in the U.S.

Wal-Mart

Russell Corporation

Indus Apparels

Alpha Shirt

Action

Wear Me Apparels

I.K.E.A.

http://qz.com/30750/documents-link-bangladesh-factory-where-more-than-100-died-in-fire-to-wal-mart/

May 4, 2013 at 9:54 a.m.
jesse said...

Well Alprova has ruled that Plain Truth is the reincarnation of Jack Dennis!I guess that settles that!

Al has a direct connection to GOD that informs him of all the lowdown on all the LESSER beings on here!

May 4, 2013 at 10:32 a.m.
conservative said...

Only a Liberal would pay 5 times what a shirt is worth at Gap, Banana Republic, and Old Navy, wear it to a government school and be indoctrinated by another Liberal on the evils of capitalism and then support these same stores by returning to buy the latest made in Bangladesh, all the while talking on an expensive iPhone made in an overseas factory in China which they also deem a sweatshop,by a corporation making profits of 22% as of March 2013 down from approximately 30% in 2012, having constantly complained about obscene profit margins of 5% for oil companies, all the while eagerly anticipating the next offering from Apple, totally oblivious to their enormous hypocrisy

May 4, 2013 at 10:40 a.m.
degage said...

Al, Happy has been missing but I think he is still here under a different name. I have an idea who it is. I wonder if he has the guts to come clean. Happy wasn't the type to just drop out of the forum.

May 4, 2013 at 10:46 a.m.
Maximus said...

Again, big government liberals including Barry The Welfare pimp want to dictate what we eat, where we live, how we live, what type of weapons we own, what we drive and where we do business. Clay, get real, some of the biggest offenders of "sweatshop" practices over seas are some of Obama's biggest supporters in silicon valley. On another "current event" topic, I am so glad our lame duck President supports the sale of the Plan B Abortion drug over the counter to 15 year olds. As I remember, a 15 year old is usually in the 8th. or 9th. grade. Look for Obama and the "wacked out progressives" to begin lobbying efforts to eliminate statutory rape laws throughout the United States. Allowing a 25 year old man to date and impregnate a 15 year old 9th. grade girl legally without jail time will be the next "Plan B" that Obama will approve of. Isn't one of Barry's daughter's a teenager? Hmmmmm.....:(

May 4, 2013 at 11:01 a.m.
miraweb said...

I live in Guatemala for a few years. One image that has never left me was a man in his twenties sewing on a treadle sewing machine a bag with a Disney Mickey-Mouse screen-print.

Half the children in that area died before their 5th birthdays from lack of clean water. Shelter was a tin roof or plastic liner over a dirt floor.

At that time, local wages were about $10 per month.

I've never bought anything from Disney since.

May 4, 2013 at 11:07 a.m.
anniebelle said...

I'm glad to see PT has taken down his self-portrait and replaced it with a snapshot of his mother.

May 4, 2013 at 11:09 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Conservative says: "Only a Liberal would pay 5 times what a shirt is worth at Gap, Banana Republic, and Old Navy."

I note you still haven't answered Ikeithlu's question. Where do conservatives buy their clothing? Is it Dubai, Caymen Islands, St. Moritz, Montreux, the Swiss Riviera? Where?

May 4, 2013 at 11:18 a.m.
pensaul said...

Yes, Mr. Conservative, where do persons of the conservative ilk buy their clothes since they obviously would not shop at any of the stores you listed.

May 4, 2013 at 11:40 a.m.
acerigger said...

Maximus said..." some of the biggest offenders of "sweatshop" practices over seas are some of Obama's biggest supporters in silicon valley."

I'm sure you could offer names,proof,right?

"Allowing a 25 year old man to date and impregnate a 15 year old 9th. grade girl legally without jail time will be the next "Plan B" that Obama will approve of"

O MY,what a vivid imagination you have! LOL LOL!

May 4, 2013 at 11:47 a.m.
Maximus said...

Let's get down to business on Clay's real target with today's 6th. grade level doodle....Wal-Mart. I have never walked into one of Wal-Mart's great stores when I needed a specific item, let's say something for my home office, and they did not have the item in stock. Wal-Mart is a great American company that employs thousands of American's, provides affordable, high quality products and has a business model and distribution system second to none. Also, many people throughout the world have invested in Wal-Mart stock, including public pension funds, and have achieved financial security. I own Wal-Mart shares and I recommend that you buy some too. Keep in mind, a LOT of Obama EBT Cards (Food Stamps) are spent in Wal-Mart Stores. Like I have said in the past, government is just another account to the true free market capitalist. Invest in Kroger stock too....a lot of EBT cards are being used there today.

May 4, 2013 at 11:48 a.m.
Maximus said...

acerigger....all Apple products are made in China. Most Microsoft products are made in China...hello...Bill Gates big Barry supporter. Do you like Oakley sunglasses...all made in China. The image of the 25 year old dating the 15 year old is exactly the direction that our current ammoral Obama leadership wants to take us. BREAKING NEWS..................Benghazi whistle blowers will get their Congressional hearing. Well, well! Funny how this news breaks on a rainy Saturday morning. I thought Obama said last week during his "lame duck" 100 day update press conference that he knew nothing about such whistle blowers. Jay Carney, the ridiculous, wimpy, Obama press secretary said in addressing a question this week about the Benghazi cover up....THAT WAS A LONG TIME AGO.......right Jay...........riiiiiiiight! No Jay, it has been a long time since Obama has been truthful about anything.

May 4, 2013 at 11:58 a.m.
miraweb said...

Funny how Walmart in the first quarter (after making $15.7 billion in profit last year) said its number one "problem" was too many families whose incomes are too low to shop at Walmart.

The irony is quite amazing. They make products using labor that cannot afford to buy their products. They sell products using staff who cannot afford to shop in their own store.

No doubt they will try and solve this problem by making products "cheaper" and cutting wages even more.

Cannibalism of your own market should work, right?

No doubt, the marketing department (et tu, Maximus?) is already rolling out the latest "Walmart cares" campaign.

May 4, 2013 at noon
Maximus said...

Let the Wal-Mart attacks begin! Lucky I invested early, 15 years ago. Republican, Democrat, or Independent it is always about the money. Invest in Wal-Mart now....it is where the EBT cards are used and the stock will continue to rise.

May 4, 2013 at 12:04 p.m.
miraweb said...

There are people for whom it is always about the money. The rest of us are very concerned that buildings are falling down on the people our own companies have hired to make the products sold in our own stores.

Yes, there are some folks for whom "money is all that matters" - even if people are hurt or injured.

We call those people "psychopaths."

May 4, 2013 at 12:12 p.m.
miraweb said...

There are two groups of people in the U.S. who do not have jobs in the recent recovery:

People over the age of 40 and people with only a high school education.

Walmart has identified a real problem with its customer base. The people it targets most aren't working - and they aren't buying.

Even for those sad souls to whom "money is the only thing that matters" - Walmart looks like a rather bad investment. Its demographics are falling apart.

A good article on who is not working five years after the crash:

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/05/03/life-is-o-k-if-you-went-to-college/?src=me&ref=general

May 4, 2013 at 12:22 p.m.

You'll never get rid of Wal-Mart you Liberals, never. They simply kick ass and there's nothing you can do to stop their success. It's amazing to read the party line in many of the posts on this site. Quite a litany: Wal-Mart, Koch brothers, take guns from citizens, blah, blah, blah, blah.

What's been exposed over the last 4 and half years of Oblabla in office is the monumental double standard of the left and especially of his big money supports. Bill Gates, for all of his genius, is simply a hypocrite.

May 4, 2013 at 12:30 p.m.
miraweb said...

Walmart is also having trouble with its CEO hunt. Seems too many of its potential top execs could go down in the current investigation into violations of the Foreign Corrupt Practices act. The internal investigation alone may cost Walmart as much as $500 million.

All four of the executives report directly to Duke and have international management experience, which is key given Wal-Mart’s global presence and ongoing probes into possible corrupt practices regarding expansion in India, Mexico, China and Brazil.

Wal-Mart is cooperating with the investigations and has spent in excess of $157 million related to the probes. Nicholas said those costs could hit as much as $500 million when the dust clears, not including fines that may be assessed.

He and other analysts say it is important that whoever is chosen as the next CEO have clean hands with regards to the Foreign Corrupt Practices allegations, which date back to 2001.

http://www.thecitywire.com/node/27377#.UYU4s4L8T-Q

May 4, 2013 at 12:40 p.m.
miraweb said...

Actually Microsoft butters its bread on both sides. It gives nearly equal "contributions" to both major parties with a slight advantage to the GOP.

Microsoft also makes mega-contributions to the Senate Judiciary Committee every time it looks like a court decision might not go for them. Simple coincidence, I am sure.

http://seattlepostglobe.org/2010/11/18/20-richest-americans-million-dollar-giveaways-to-candidates-what-did-gates-allen-give/

May 4, 2013 at 12:44 p.m.

Give it up, Wal-Mart isn't going anywhere. Wal-Mart is more popular then any of the lefty horse crap being tossed around, and it will always be. Nobody cares about some lefty crusade against Wal-Mart.

If you take away all the Wal-marts around the country in places where they're very much needed, and there's nothing else, what do you expect the people in those areas to do, be content with all the left's "good intentions"?

Lefties, get a life.

May 4, 2013 at 12:55 p.m.
tifosi said...

It is going to be so much fun watching Maximus and conservative suffer through 1,428 more days of President Obama and all the changes he will be making. Then they get Hillary! ROFLMAO!!!

May 4, 2013 at 12:56 p.m.

While the left continually puts down Wal-Mart, Oblabla and his attention hog of a wife live it up and party with Hollywood elites. Hypocrites!

May 4, 2013 at 12:58 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Yeah, all the local family-owned businesses that failed because Walmart moved in-I'm sure they share your love of that company. Shop local!

May 4, 2013 at 1 p.m.

Drive around the country and you'll see Wal-Marts in places where there's nothing else. They fill a void.

Hey, Tyfosi, even the guys who pushed Oblablacare are now pointing out what a disaster it is in many ways. Insanity. Oblabla is a joke, he's too chicken to have a real news conference and answer real questions. He needs to go to Hawaii and play golf permanently. The lib media got their light-skinned, leftist black man in office, and everything is just fine.

May 4, 2013 at 1:12 p.m.
Maximus said...

For a lame duck Obama is doing wonders for the stock market. Too bad most of the low information voters that put Obama The Welfare Pimp in office, twice, don't know where or how to find or read the S&P 500 stock listings and think a P&L statement is a new video game. The DOW was briefly over 15,000 and the S&P 500 past 1600 on Friday. Obama is doing a nice job of making us free market Republican's richer. He must be setting things up for all those corporate boards he will be serving on after his lackluster second term is over. Oh yes, and all the corporate trips for $1,000,000 speeches. Obama is definitely a pimp alright. News Note...Beyonce, a BIG Obamer supporter has in her performance contract that there must be several very important things available at all her concert venue dressing rooms....1. I kid you not...Red Toilet Paper...2. $6,000 worth of Cuban cigars and liquor for her BFF and Hubby, JayZ, also a big Barry The Welfare Pimp supporter. BOOOOOOO YAAAAAA!

May 4, 2013 at 1:14 p.m.
Maximus said...

Ike...that is a straw man argument. Local small businesses, the same ones that are whining about internet sales, must, like any other business, continually look for ways to adapt with the changing marketplace and innovate with things like enhanced customer service, product selection, same day delivery, etc. This was a critical business success concept long before Wal-Mart. Those small business owners that say they cannot compete with Wal-Mart are saying they are not smart enough or financially sound enough to change with the times and more than likely should not be in business in the first place. Business is Darwinian, adapt, innovate or die.

May 4, 2013 at 1:22 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Yeah, yeah, Maxie. I will believe the business owners over you, who shot your credibility wad here a long time ago.

May 4, 2013 at 1:25 p.m.
tifosi said...

And Beyonce will make more money in one year than Maximus will make in a lifetime. BOOOOOOO YAAAAAA!

When Maximus's business fails because he blew it all on cigars, scotch and prostitutes, he will blame it on President Obama.

May 4, 2013 at 1:56 p.m.
fairmon said...

Complain and keep buying imported products that should help get the over 400 million not able to get a job employed.

May 4, 2013 at 2:12 p.m.
Easy123 said...

"Ike...that is a straw man argument."

LMFAO!

May 4, 2013 at 2:13 p.m.
Maximus said...

Ike..and YOU have credibility? Tifosi...I did not say that I did not like Beyonce,she be fine and as far as prostitutes, I have never, ever had to pay for pussy. Have you? Cigars and scotch are good. I will definitely have some while watching the Mayweather fight tonight on PPV. Of course, in my mancave, media room. Life is good. Ike be careful or I will threaten to get "six inches" in front of your face! What was that about? Must involve psychotropic medication. LOL!!!:)

May 4, 2013 at 2:15 p.m.
fairmon said...

Obama and his minions don't have a clue about what to do.

May 4, 2013 at 2:15 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Maximuffler,

"and YOU have credibility?"

Ikeithlu sh!t's more credibility than you have.

"I have never, ever had to pay for pussy."

That's because you were a squealing newborn the last time you got close to one.

"Of course, in my mancave, media room."

a.k.a your masterbatorium.

"Must involve psychotropic medication."

You'd know all about those, our MR jester.

May 4, 2013 at 2:22 p.m.
conservative said...

I have a friend in the nursery business who sometimes complains about Walmart hurting his business. Although he is pretty conservative he is a hypocrite for he is a Sam's club member and often tells me how much cheaper he can buy things such as coffee, paper plates, cups, pet food and even some garden tools occasionally.

He still does OK in spite of his complaints, for his regular customers bring in leaf samples from their plants and he can tell them what the disease is, what the plant needs to combat the disease, and the nutrients the particular plant needs for proper growth. He charges more for fertilizers and pesticides than Walmart but many don't mind paying. His plants are healthy and the best unlike Walmart where their plants are just about dead a week after arrival because they don't water them.

The moral of the story - He provides valuable personal service that Walmart can't provide and everyone shops price including every Liberal hypocrite who comments here.

May 4, 2013 at 2:23 p.m.
Easy123 said...

conservative,

"including every Liberal hypocrite who comments here."

I assume you stay away from mixed fabrics and shell fish at Walmart, correct, El Capitan Hypocrite?

May 4, 2013 at 2:26 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Maxie, you are a piece of work. You are welcome to re-post anything I said here that was not credible. As far as your discussion of female companionship, I hope none of your "lady" friends knows just how little you value women, beyond something to exploit or feel superior to. And I thought my opinion of you could get no worse.

As far as getting "6 inches in front of my face"? I suspect there would still be a significant gap. I'd say, mmmm, 4 inches probably.

May 4, 2013 at 2:37 p.m.
Maximus said...

Oh yea I'm quaking in my boots about Alprova the creeper. Again, I carry. I wanted to make a quick comment about Hillary since I have ruined and changed the whole narrative about one of Clay's six grade doodles once again....MISSION ACCOMPLISHED! My question about Hillary as a Presidential candidate is, will she come down with a sick headache every time she faces a crisis and will she try to cover up the crisis with a lie and a fake funeral service? Talk about no leadership credibility. Ike you are right. You are great at looking up stuff on liberal websites and posting it in support of whatever looney lefty position Clay is doodling about. As far as originality of thought, not so much. You are a simple minded and predictable drone of the left. Four to six inches gives me plenty of room to fire several rounds if need be. Not a warning, just a fact.

May 4, 2013 at 2:55 p.m.
DJHBRAINERD said...

Maximus brags about the DOW hitting 15000 and the polititions talk it up as a good thing. Corporations are making a larger profit and more free trade agreements are comming down the pike. Of course profits are up when you can get a man in a jungle somewhere to work for a dollar a day and sell one of whatever he makes over here for more than he makes in a month. Must be wonderful for everyone involved. Cheap labor for the corp, a sustinance living the man in a jungle didn't have before and an abundance of goods for the folks over here that are still employed. But is it sustainable? How much longer can we hemorage our nations wealth to the 3rd world while we pay a sustinace living to the people here who would like to work but cannot compete with 3rd world labor?During the tech bubble this country couldn't keep enough people working and the money was lower on the economic ladder so it got passed around. And since everyone had a little extra the middle class created jobs from the liesure time and relative abundance of capital. Then came NAFTA, CAFTA and the list I have provided. So yeah 15000, the higher it goes the weaker our house of cards becomes.

May 4, 2013 at 3:05 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Ike you are right. You are great at looking up stuff on liberal websites and posting it in support of whatever looney lefty position Clay is doodling about.

evidence please

May 4, 2013 at 3:12 p.m.
Maximus said...

Ike..evidence..your sorry, sad, existence on this site. Most everything you post is someone elses work. DJH..as far as your house of cards, you are right, business runs in cycles. Cheap labor is a good thing for the investor especially if you know what you are doing and understand that YOU and only YOU are repsonsible for your success. Self reliance and personal responsibility are foreign entities to many of the big government spenders currently in charge. They deceive the public into thinking that the governemnt will keep them safe and "guarantee" them a certain lifestyle and retirement. Sorry it does not work. The migration of labor is complicated but a good argument can be made that lawsuits and unions forced Nike and many, many others to let the Chinese make their products. The American worker is too high maintenance let's face it. Again, its a business cycle that will change and hopefully Made In America will be common and mean something again.

May 4, 2013 at 3:23 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

In other words, you have NOTHING. False accusations are another reason why you have no credibility.

I usually post a link if I use a source. AND I suspect you spend more time here than I do, even though I'm retired and have LOTS of time. Retired early, no less, because I worked my liberal a$$ off at two, sometimes three jobs. You know, I think you may be jealous! That explains your puffed up macho attitude.

May 4, 2013 at 3:34 p.m.
DJHBRAINERD said...

its a business cycle that will change and hopefully Made In America will be common and mean something again...... I believe it was Sam Walton himself who got rich on Made it the U.S.A. back in 80's when we were struggling with a different resession. He brought back the American worker buy providing goods made right here with signs all around the store so we could all do our patriotic duty and buy American. Then he died. Left it to his children and the business cycle turned to cheap goods through an abundance of capital and credit. Iacoca and Chrystler is another example of a business model that could compete with the Honda CCVC and other compact imports. Now on the other side of the cycle as an example recently I went to Wal-mart and tried to find a pot for my homebrew kit and had to choose between Mexican made or made in Pakistan. Now Isn't Lodge castiron still in S Pittsburg? But it is less expensive to bring kitchenware from across the globe than from 30 miles west of here. That should tell everyone to point anyone looking for a job to the medical field (can't export the people) or become a teacher ( for the same reason) at least untill the worm turns again.

May 4, 2013 at 3:46 p.m.

I see Oblabla is in Mexico kissing up. Seems like the only things that get him excited are late term abortions, rewarding illegal aliens, blathering about how proud he is of gay athletes and reading speeches from his trusty TOTUS at fundraisers. What a waste of oval office. I'll take any assistant manager at Wal-Mart and place him or her in the oval office and the job would be in better hands.

May 4, 2013 at 4:52 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Maximus says: “Cheap labor is a good thing for the investor especially if you know what you are doing and understand that YOU and only YOU are repsonsible for your success.”

And good employees, Maximus? Don’t they count? I’d say they’re just as valuable as a CEO, but we know how this has gone. . . Don’t we?

The ratio of CEO-to-worker pay has increased 1,000 percent since 1950

Today Fortune 500 CEOs make 204 times regular workers on average

The ratio is up from:

120-to-1 in 2000

42-to-1 in 1980

20-to-1 in 1950

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/30/ceo-to-worker-pay-ratio_n_3184623.html

May 4, 2013 at 5 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Zab,

Your psychosis has been duly noted.

May 4, 2013 at 5:06 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

anniebelle said...

How about sending our president back to Kenya? Do you vaguely remember that? Try your juvenile tactics on your own ilk, they don't work with people that 'think' and know the 'truth'. I might add, she is from India, President Obama is from Hawaii, not Kenya.


Nikki Haley was born Nimrata Nikki Randhawa in Bamberg, South Carolina, on January 20, 1972, to an Indian Sikh family.

What was that you said about “ ilk ... that 'think' and know the 'truth'”?

May 4, 2013 at 5:16 p.m.

NO psychosis here, Mr. Easy. Just saying it the way it is.

May 4, 2013 at 5:17 p.m.
anniebelle said...

She's closer to coming from India than President Obama ever came to being from Kenya and you morons are still trying to trot that tired old phobia out for your moronic constituents. Now, see how juvenile your game playing is with this 'birther' crap?

May 4, 2013 at 5:22 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Zab,

"NO psychosis here, Mr. Easy"

Keep telling yourself that.

"Just saying it the way it is."

Far from it.

May 4, 2013 at 5:26 p.m.
patriot1 said...

•"All property and all forms of wealth are produced by man's mind and labor." -Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged, Part 3, Ch. 7

Some bring the "mind" to the game and others provide the labor.

May 4, 2013 at 5:28 p.m.
Easy123 said...

patriot1,

"Some bring the "mind" to the game and others provide the labor."

And others have that "property" collapse on them.

Or sometimes that "property" acts as a prison and the people working there would rather kill themselves than continue to work there.

May 4, 2013 at 5:31 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

anniebelle said...

She's closer to coming from India than President Obama ever came to being from Kenya and you morons are still trying to trot that tired old phobia out for your moronic constituents. Now, see how juvenile your game playing is with this 'birther' crap?


“She's closer to coming from India than President Obama ever came to being from Kenya” - Really?

That’s your response after attacking other “ilk” about being “unthinking” and not knowing the “truth”?

You’re not the least bit contrite about what just happened?

By the way you are free to point out any time I have expressed any “birther” sentiments.

May 4, 2013 at 5:52 p.m.
tifosi said...

Maximus: The manliest of men.

Could possibly hold the resources to change the lives of many. But, invests in his man cave.

May 4, 2013 at 5:55 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

nooga said...

Just like the thugs on Wall Street, this guy will never be prosecuted. He's one of the most powerful warlords in India, he might get a slap on the wrist but I wouldn't count on it. Plain stupid I'm sure Faux news, your idols of truth and wisdom are all over it so what's the problem since that's the only place you get your news.


What?

Was he part of a warlord exchange program between Bangladesh and India?

May 4, 2013 at 5:58 p.m.
Maximus said...

Having Mint Julips with friends getting ready to watch a great American tradition....The Kentucky Derby. As for all you losers like Ike, Alprova and Easy123....enjoy your night alone with your computer.

May 4, 2013 at 5:59 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Maximus says: “They deceive the public into thinking that the governemnt will keep them safe and "guarantee" them a certain lifestyle and retirement. Sorry it does not work.”

But even you must admit that our government does work to keep workers safe, Maximus. Right? Surely, you know that there was a time in U.S. history when 1,000 workers were dying on the job every week. Some die in collapsed mines, some died in factory fires, and some died in industrial accidents. Today, we have work safety laws and things have changed. Workplace fatalities have been cut by more than 90%. Clearly, the changes in these work safety statistics didn’t occurred through the voluntary efforts of investors and manufacturers.

May 4, 2013 at 6:02 p.m.
Maximus said...

tifosi...thank you! The next thing you know, you will join the NRA and buy an AR15. Baby steps my friend, baby steps.

May 4, 2013 at 6:06 p.m.
patriot1 said...

He has been captured....

May 4, 2013 at 6:07 p.m.
Maximus said...

mtnlaurel...yes workplace safety has improved due to the gov and lawsuits. Unions though are now obsolete due to increased gov regs, hr depts. and corp. legal. Gotta go KY Derby about to go. Cheers!

May 4, 2013 at 6:08 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

nooga said...

Plain Stupid

Your reading comprehension skills are seriously lacking or your just a liar. Which is it?

Dick Harpootlian never said that, before you go off half cocked again you might want to do a little research. I would provide the link proving you to be an outright liar, but I'll let you do your own research. I have a napkin if you wanna wipe the Fake News egg off your face.


I only know what I read in the MSM and you know they wouldn’t lie.

“South Carolina Dem Party Chairman says he hopes candidate Vince Sheheen will send "Nikki Haley back to wherever the hell she came from." - Chris Moody - Yahoo News

But what do you expect from a politician that once uttered - “I don’t want to buy the black vote, just rent it for one day.”

Or once delved into Nazi references when speaking of Ms. Haley by saying - "She was down in the bunker a la Eva Braun."

Southern Democrats, you’ve got to love them for the funny performances they provide.

May 4, 2013 at 6:11 p.m.
patriot1 said...

Alpo....bet the single wide on Normandy Invasion

May 4, 2013 at 6:11 p.m.
tifosi said...

"tifosi...thank you! The next thing you know, you will join the NRA and buy an AR15. Baby steps my friend, baby steps."

Don't need those pussy tools. Age and treachery always overcomes youth and enthusiasm.

May 4, 2013 at 6:15 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

nooga said...

On a different topic The NRA openly opposes law enforcement confiscating guns from men or women who have a restraining order against them taken out by their spouse. According to law enforcement you are 5 times more likely to be killed if your beloved estranged spouse owns a gun. Can't make this sht up, gotta love them loons at the NRA.


From Wiki:

Misuse of restraining orders is claimed to be widespread. Elaine Epstein, former president of the Massachusetts Bar Association, has remarked, “Everyone knows that restraining orders and orders to vacate are granted to virtually all who apply…In many cases, allegations of abuse are now used for tactical advantage.”

The low burden of proof for restraining orders has led to some high-profile cases

Samuel Goldberg, a Boston attorney specializing in partner abuse cases, remarks that restraining orders are awarded so casually that "they are not taken as seriously as they should be."


There are between 2 and 3 million temporary restraining orders issued in the United States annually. Despite their huge impact on a person's emotional and financial well-being, in order to receive a temporary "stay away" order of protection, one needs only to allege that he or she "feels" threatened by their partner. There does not need to be any history of domestic violence whatsoever. There does not have to be an actual verbal threat of domestic violence either. Likewise, there does not need to be evidence of a major overt act, such as stalking or purchasing a weapon.

The modern extreme example of a ruling gone awry involved David Letterman. In 2005, a New Mexico judge granted a woman's request for a temporary restraining order against Mr. Letterman, claiming that he wanted to marry her and employ her as a co-host. She also alleged that Mr. Letterman forced her to go bankrupt and talked in "code" to her via his show since 1994, causing her sleep deprivation and mental anguish. Thankfully, another judge ultimately quashed that order. However, the issuing judge stood by his ruling.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/liz-mandarano/the-worst-thing-a-woman-c_b_837636.html

May 4, 2013 at 6:18 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Nooga notes: “Just like the thugs on Wall Street, this guy will never be prosecuted. He's one of the most powerful warlords in India…”

Yes, Rana certainly seems to have a lot in the greedy crooks on Wall Street. I note that detectives are investigating a gun they found and they've also arrested the structural engineer:

"Rescue workers combing through the rubble of the factory complex that collapsed in Bangladesh killing more than 500 people have found a pistol belonging to the building's owner.

Dhaka police say that Sohel Rana has accepted that the weapon belonged to him. They are investigating whether he had a licence to own the weapon. The discovery did nothing to improve the public image of Rana, now portrayed as a gangster figure able to use his power to circumvent building regulations.

There have already been accusations that he muscled out competitors and illegally grabbed the land on which the Rana Plaza stood before its collapse.

Detectives are continuing to investigate Rana's background and have also arrested the structural engineer, Abdur Razzak, previously credited with raising the alarm about the danger of collapse. Detectives are investigating his role in advising Rana on adding three storeys to the building; their weight is one of the main suspected causes of the collapse. Razzak was said to have been alarmed by cracks which appeared the day before the collapse, but Rana and some factory owners are understood to have claimed he told them it was safe for the building to remain open.

Yesterday the death toll from the collapse had risen to 551, with fears that there may still be a large number of bodies under the structure. Workers pulled 19 bodies from the rubble on Saturday morning, the 11th day of the rescue operation, having recovered 80 the day before."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/may/04/bangladesh-factory-collapse-owners-gun

May 4, 2013 at 6:45 p.m.
alprova said...

patriot1 wrote: "Alpo....bet the single wide on Normandy Invasion"

I have no idea what that is supposed to mean.

Perhaps you would like to explain it.

May 4, 2013 at 7:38 p.m.
alprova said...

Maximus wrote: "Oh yea I'm quaking in my boots about Alprova the creeper. Again, I carry."

You're the bravest man to hide behind a computer.

Do you really think that anyone is the least bit concerned what you may or may not carry?

"Four to six inches gives me plenty of room to fire several rounds if need be."

Good luck with that.

"Not a warning, just a fact."

You wouldn't know a fact if one slapped you across your face.

May 4, 2013 at 7:59 p.m.
alprova said...

Maximus wrote: "Having Mint Julips with friends getting ready to watch a great American tradition....The Kentucky Derby."

Mr Vandy grad, it's spelled Julep. Quite frankly, I'm a bit surprised that you haven't claimed to be in Louisville, living the high life.

"As for all you losers like Ike, Alprova and Easy123....enjoy your night alone with your computer."

I've got a man on the case. I'll know very soon what a winner you are.

May 4, 2013 at 8:05 p.m.
patriot1 said...

Alpo says....I have no idea what that is supposed to mean.

Perhaps you would like to explain it.

Sorry about that Alpo....I checked and I think I have a vacancy of one of my rentals June 1st. I'll let you know.

May 4, 2013 at 8:06 p.m.
jesse said...

Hey Al,if max is buggin you so bad you hired someone to track down who he is maybe you need to do a little self exam.! Maybe your prob.ain't Max BUT AL!!

I think Max is an arz BUT he has Al's pantyhose ina WAD and i hope he keeps it up!I am surprised that Ike lets him get away w/her!She is better than that!

May 4, 2013 at 9:16 p.m.
tifosi said...

The ultimate in being a chicken sh.t: A carry permit.

May 4, 2013 at 9:18 p.m.
jesse said...

Tifosi!

It ain't being "chickin sh!t" it's being a "REALIST"!!

May 4, 2013 at 9:25 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Harpootlian’s comment came during his introduction of South Carolina gubernatorial candidate Vincent Sheheen. “In about 18 months from now,” he said, “hopefully he’ll have sent Nikki Haley back to wherever the hell she came from.” -Dick Harpootlian

May 4, 2013 at 9:42 p.m.
alprova said...

patriot1 wrote: "Sorry about that Alpo....I checked and I think I have a vacancy of one of my rentals June 1st. I'll let you know."

So you're a single-wide slumlord, eh? How nice.

I'm in no need for a place to live. I own my home and the land it sits on and it was all paid for 18 years ago in cash before I moved into it.

May 5, 2013 at 12:07 a.m.
alprova said...

jesse wrote: "Hey Al,if max is buggin you so bad you hired someone to track down who he is maybe you need to do a little self exam.! Maybe your prob.ain't Max BUT AL!!"

Maybe you need to mind your own business.

"I think Max is an arz BUT he has Al's pantyhose ina WAD and i hope he keeps it up!I am surprised that Ike lets him get away w/her!She is better than that!"

I have no idea what it is that I have done to you to earn your wanton revenge via Maxipad, but I will take this opportunity to let you know that I probably think as much of you as you do me. So we're even.

You're under-educated, woefully ignorant on many of the issues you wade in on, and I can't put my finger on it, but you too are a reincarnation of someone else who used to play in this little playground and who just couldn't stand the strain. Your style of punctuation is a big clue. It'll come to me one day.

It's no skin off my nose if it thrills you to lap like a little puppy at Max's feet. I'll bet when you were a lad, you were probably the kind of kid that always cheered when a playground fistfight ensued, but were never the type to stand your own ground on anything, face to face.

May 5, 2013 at 12:26 a.m.
alprova said...

We interrupt this sparring session for a special announcement!!

PlainTruth, formerly known as JackDennis, wrote: "Harpootlian’s comment came during his introduction of South Carolina gubernatorial candidate Vincent Sheheen. “In about 18 months from now,” he said, “hopefully he’ll have sent Nikki Haley back to wherever the hell she came from.” -Dick Harpootlian"

It's mildly entertaining to read that which bugs you and some of you folks who just love to analyze every word spoken by political opponents.

Oh...we do it too, but more often than not, we hit a target whenever it is done. Shooting from the hip is not quite as successful, as you will discover.

Everyone comes from somewhere. Such a statement can be taken a couple of different ways. You apparently assume it it have been offered as an insult regarding her status as an Indian-American.

Here's a photo of South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley;

http://www.conservativecommune.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Nikki-Haley-600x355.jpg

Does she look like a foreigner of any kind? Most people, I'm sure are not even aware that she shares a hyphenated American name when referring to her nationality. Italian? Jewish? I was totally surprised to learn the woman was born to Indian immigrants myself.

This is yet another example why Republican/Conservative/and even those who claim to be something in-betweenative always come off looking kooky every single time they attempt to play the race card.

Dick Harpootlian has never liked Nikki Haley. He's never made that a secret. He's the South Carolina Democratic Chairman for goodness sake. A little animosity between the two is to be expected.

He was asked to clarify his remarks and he had an immediate answer when asked what he meant when he was referring to "where she came from."

"Lexington County.. she was born in Bamberg and lived in Lexington. Anybody implying anything different is attempting to feign insult."

Touché indeed. It kinda leaves no one anywhere else to go. Had he not been able to offer that concise and precise answer, a little scrutiny might be in order.

I will admit that it would have been far more prudent for him to have offered to "send her back to Lexington" to start with, but it's completely plausible to me that he had a little brain fart and it may have slipped his mind, at the time, where it was she was from and instead he blurted out "wherever she came from."

Now back to the usual follies and jollies, Gents and ladies...

May 5, 2013 at 1:10 a.m.
anniebelle said...

Jt, so I'm supposed to take your word that Haley's an American citizen. I want to see her long form birth certifcate, a filming of the birth, and all her school transcripts since kindergarten. If Obama had been born on the moon, he would still be an American citizen because his birth mother was an American citizen.

May 5, 2013 at 9:20 a.m.
anniebelle said...

PT" The head SC den, Dick Hartpootlian (no, I'm not kidding) says dems "should send R Gov. Nikki Haley back to where she came from". (she's of Indian heritage) Can you even imagine the tumult if an R had said that about a dem? Would be all over the news. Would it not, lefties? JT, if you had read PT's post you would know what I was responding to. All the repukes, from Romney down to Steve Doochbag and his cohorts at Faux news parroted this insane conspiracy about sending President Obama back to Kenya. I guess you've already written that bit of verifiable history out of the limited space you have in your noggin'.

May 5, 2013 at 10:56 a.m.
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