published Wednesday, May 15th, 2013

Profiling

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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alprova said...

Oh boy!! This session should be quite interesting. I wonder if it will involve some more false outrage over the IRS scrutinizing of tax dodging Tea-Partiers, or will this turn into an anti-Muslim love fest?

Only the right-wing cheerleaders know for sure.

May 15, 2013 at 12:15 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Since every air traveler is by law entitled to the same treatment proportional to their representation in the general population how is this an outrage. At least it better be that way because you can bet there are FIA’s already on file for that data. Plus the lady (?) still has her shoes on and they appear to have thick bomb containing soles and what's with that metal belt buckle?

From the T.S.A. web site:

Civil Rights and Liberties

All travelers are screened in a fair and lawful manner without regard to race, color, national origin, religion, age, sex, disability, sexual orientation, parental or genetic information. Travelers are encouraged to file a civil rights/civil liberties complaint if they believe they have been treated differently or unlawfully. You may file a complaint at TSA-CRL@tsa.dhs.gov.

May 15, 2013 at 12:28 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

“If I were the Tea Party and you were the I.R.S., this would be an outrage.”

Not according to a certain type of poster here that have indicated that what the I.R.S. did was certainly not an outrage. That the groups targeted deserved any treatment the jackboots felt like doling out to them.

This could be one of the toons that those types will disagree with.

Do wonders never cease?

May 15, 2013 at 12:35 a.m.
Salsa said...

Except, of course, anyone who travels knows that TSA treats everyone equally badly.

And only a left wing nut job could excuse what the IRS has been doing to any group that they perceived wasn't toeing the O'bomber party line.

May 15, 2013 at 12:41 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

nooga said...

I was pulled out of line and subjected to a strip search on my way to Europe,

(Oh! the humanity.)

I'm a Vietnam veteran, never been arrested in my life.

(The former is possibly true but highly doubtful on the latter)

My wife is a CFO for an international company,

(Did they do the same for her and did she giggle like a schoolgirl all the way through?)

I was completely humiliated, and embarrassed of course after going through this I was cleared to go.

(I can understand that you would be since the TSA agents wouldn’t quit pointing at certain of your distinguishing body features and giggling like a schoolgirls)

Till this day I have anger issues over what I went through.

(You poor man?)

Do you know why they pulled you out of line?

They needed to balance their non-profiling stats and they just hadn’t seen one like you all day.

May 15, 2013 at 12:57 a.m.
alprova said...

Has anyone noticed what is missing from all this crap over this alleged IRS scandal?

Unjust denial of Tax-exempt applications. Arrests. Prosecutions. Fines. Incarcerations.

But there are no shortage of outrageous accusations, many of which are proving to be false.

Here's one and it ties very nicely into another scandal that the Republicans are cooking in their poop pots;

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2013/05/kmov-anchor-the-irs-is-targeting-me-163945.html

Larry Conners, a veteran local news anchor at KMOV Channel 4 in St. Louis, says that the Internal Revenue Service has been targeting him since an April 2012 interview he conducted with President Obama -- a fact that he dismissed as coincidence until the recent reports about the IRS targeting conservative groups.

"Shortly after I did my April 2012 interview with President Obama, my wife, friends and some viewers suggested that I might need to watch out for the IRS. I don't accept 'conspiracy theories', but I do know that almost immediately after the interview, the IRS started hammering me," Conners wrote on his Facebook page late Monday night.

Conners did not specify how the IRS has been "hammering" him. He did not immediately respond to a request for clarification.

According to his account, his questions for Obama touched on the economy and spending but were not exceptional in nature. But following "allegations that the IRS focused on various groups and/or individuals questioning or criticizing government spending, taxes, debt or how the government is run," Conners now believes there may be a possible connection.

"Can I prove it? At this time, no," he wrote. "But it is a fact that since that April 2012 interview ... the IRS has been pressuring me."

In a segment on KMOV 4 on Tuesday night, Conners disclosed that his issues with the IRS predated his 2012 Obama interview "by several years."

May 15, 2013 at 1:02 a.m.
alprova said...

nooga, don't pay any attention to the idiot troll. Anyone reading her stuff knows that her sole purpose in life is to try and get a rise out of people by posting inflammatory responses to what other people write.

What happened to you is why I will never fly a commercial airline for the rest of my life.

May 15, 2013 at 1:11 a.m.
alprova said...

salsa wrote: "And only a left wing nut job could excuse what the IRS has been doing to any group that they perceived wasn't toeing the O'bomber party line."

Excuse me, but only a right-wing nut job could begin to believe that a President of the United States would be so stupid to attempt to order a GWB appointed head of the IRS to harass political opponents who willingly apply for tax-exempt status.

But what else can be expected of someone who identifies himself with a food condiment for a user name?

May 15, 2013 at 1:20 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

Has anyone noticed what is missing from all this crap over this alleged IRS scandal?

Unjust denial of Tax-exempt applications. Arrests. Prosecutions. Fines. Incarcerations.


Denial of applications, Arrests, Prosecutions, Fines, and/or Incarcerations?

You're missing the point Mr. Alprova as those type of things bring news articles and headlines. You don’t want no stinkin’ reporters sniffing around and possibly blowing the deal. What you want is delay, non-stop application requests, and harassment because those are the standard M.O. of government bureaucrats. If someone complains they can just say “Well how is that any different than the way you expect us to operate?”.

What is it that the SCOTUS is always referring to in free speech cases? … Oh yeah! “Creates a chilling effect”.

Now that is what you're looking for. Right?

But your right as its not like they are killing and eating the applicants so “what the hey?”.

May 15, 2013 at 1:35 a.m.
fairmon said...

SB-13 & HR-25 proposals for a fair tax on spending instead of income would solve the problem, respect the low income earners and increase revenue. Understanding the proposal is too much work for those that could make it happen and those that would benefit most.

Why not just do away with all charitable organizations exemptions? Why not do away with all tax exceptions, adjust the rates if needed but why thousands of pages of tax codes?

May 15, 2013 at 1:39 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said ...

In a segment on KMOV 4 on Tuesday night, Conners disclosed that his issues with the IRS predated his 2012 Obama interview "by several years."


Well that is very upsetting if I may be so bold.

Why wasn't this pointed out earlier as it would have saved all of us a lot of trouble and embarrassment especially for some like me. This one article conclusively proves this whole situation to be nothing but a fraud on the American people and someone should do the "perp walk" for this.

I can only say that I am completely embarrassed by any part I had in furthering this debacle.

May 15, 2013 at 1:48 a.m.
carlB said...

Think about Where the might be People/workers, including some military people who do not like President Obama and are willing to cause a "setup"?

May 15, 2013 at 1:57 a.m.
carlB said...

Why is it so hard for the voters to see what the strategies and the tactics of the Republicans are. Everytime they 'HOLLOW fROG" THEY EXPECT THE VOTERS TO JUMP and apparently this is what the enemies of President Obama want.

May 15, 2013 at 2:08 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

salsa wrote: "And only a left wing nut job could excuse what the IRS has been doing to any group that they perceived wasn't toeing the O'bomber party line."

Excuse me, but only a right-wing nut job could begin to believe that a President of the United States would be so stupid to attempt to order a GWB appointed head of the IRS to harass political opponents who willingly apply for tax-exempt status.

But what else can be expected of someone who identifies himself with a food condiment for a user name?


If you will re-read and digest the post you responded to you would realize that there was no claim that Obama ordered anything. The statement was that “they may have perceived” which implies that Mr. Salsa is claiming that two or more people that could or could not have been in the White House did this without placing specific responsibility.

If you were the president (God forbid) would you not have a loyal aid provide you with “ plausible deniability” and go straight to the people that will actually performing the desired tasks. At the same time you would expect him/her to limit the number of people in the loop to those that are absolutely necessary.

"People love to say salsa!" -Jerry Seinfeld

It is America’s favorite condiment.

May 15, 2013 at 2:13 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

carlB said...

Think about Where the might be People/workers, including some military people who do not like President Obama and are willing to cause a "setup"?


Now that is refreshing, creative, and a bit of excellent thinking outside of the box. In fact outside of the known and unknown universe if you ask me.

Excellent post.

By the way "HOLLOW fROG"

May 15, 2013 at 2:19 a.m.
nucanuck said...

Are IRS jobs patronage jobs? Why would the IRS behave as has been alleged? There must be more to the story than political blunt force.

The TSA is definitely bad for the US. This past winter my wife and I traveled to Mexico with two Canadian couples and we had plane transfers in the US. Upon returning, the Canadians all said, "next year let's avoid going through the US". They said that they would rather pay more than put up with the TSA hassle.

There has to be a better way to treat people.

May 15, 2013 at 2:27 a.m.
alprova said...

Jt6gR3hM wrote: "You're missing the point Mr. Alprova as those type of things bring news articles and headlines."

Be that as it may, no one seems to have been harmed as a result of any extra scrutiny being made of organizations associated with names that are associated with blatant anti-taxation motives.

Unless anyone can come up with proof that any opposing political organization was given a pass and granted tax-exempt status at the same time the Tea=Party affiliated groups were being "harassed" by IRS agents, then this "scandal" is anything but.

"You don’t want no stinkin’ reporters sniffing around and possibly blowing the deal. What you want is delay, non-stop application requests, and harassment because those are the standard M.O. of government bureaucrats."

And anyone who specifically targeted, unjustly, any group without good reason, deserves to be fired. Anyone who believes that President Obama is behind this, in any manner, is simply not thinking clearly.

The man got on national television yesterday and condemned it and vowed to let any and all investigations proceed and for those responsible to be held accountable.

"If someone complains they can just say “Well how is that any different than the way you expect us to operate?”."

Surely you are not suggesting that all groups who applied for tax-exempt status were squeaky clean or that they all were not political beings without political motivations, are you?

"But your right as its not like they are killing and eating the applicants so “what the hey?”."

Look...it's very simple. When submitting an application to the IRS to be considered a tax-exempt organization, there are rules and regulations that must be met.

If "Tea-Party" or any connotation thereof appears in the name of your group, claiming to be a charitable organization, it automatically and immediately associates you with the concept of tax protestation, right or wrong as it may be.

The IRS is charged with enforcing the tax laws as they appear on the books. It is their jobs to scrutinize anything and everything to determine who owes taxes and in what amount.

If, and only if, it comes to light that there were politically based groups of a liberal/democrat/progressive nature that were granted tax-exempt status, AND that are additionally found to be operating in violation of IRS rules and regulations, then let's talk about a valid scandal.

I wrote it the other day and I'll write it today. It was a mistake for anyone with the IRS to prematurely apologize or admit that any wrongdoing has occurred.

It's not out of the question that some agents went too far, but this does not begin to rise to the level as a Presidential scandal.

May 15, 2013 at 2:31 a.m.
alprova said...

Jt6gR3hM wrote: "If you will re-read and digest the post you responded to you would realize that there was no claim that Obama ordered anything. The statement was that “they may have perceived” which implies that Mr. Salsa is claiming that two or more people that could or could not have been in the White House did this without placing specific responsibility."

Is it so easy for some of you to believe that there are people soooooo for Obama that they would risk their jobs to exact some semblance of revenge upon HIS political foes?

"If you were the president (God forbid) would you not have a loyal aid provide you with “ plausible deniability” and go straight to the people that will actually performing the desired tasks."

I see. So you DO believe that the President is behind it.

"At the same time you would expect him/her to limit the number of people in the loop to those that are absolutely necessary."

But of course. Everything is a conspiracy these days and lately it is Obama or Hillary behind every one of them.

It's no small wonder why it's getting hard to find Reynold's wrap in the stores these days.

May 15, 2013 at 2:42 a.m.
AndrewLohr said...

The Tea Party has hijacked how many airplanes to murder thousands of innocent people? Zero, flat absolute zero.

Obviously most Muslims have also not attempted murder, but a few have: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leila_Kh...
And: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_...

Facing facts and racism are two different things. (By the way, is "Just Busted" racist--and sexist--if it puts pretty white girls on its cover out of proportion to their number in the total busted population?) Few Muslims are terrorists, but most terrorists are Muslim, so a bit of a focus on Muslims makes perfect sense.

Comparing Mohammed to Jesus Christ shows why Tea-ites are safer than Sheites. Mohammed, to rob a caravan, started a war during a month in which Arabian pagan neighbors kept the peace. He fought other wars, some of them defensive. He ordered executions (racist against Jews?) When he died, he simply died, and stayed dead.

Jesus rose from the dead, showing God's power at work in him; he (pardon the theology, but it's true) "died for our sins," showing God's love for God's enemies turning them into God's friends; He is God in human flesh; he ordered not just "mercy" but love for enemies and forgiveness of sins; he was conceived in Mary's womb by a miracle of the Holy Ghost without a man's help, again showing God's power...and he didn't order any executions, murders, or wars while He was here, so that some Christians are pacifists, and those of us who think executions and just wars can be OK Christian behavior like to insist on justice in such cases. (C. S. Lewis has an obscure little essay on Pacifism and Chivalry, anti-militarism and strict self-control.)

No Christian is as good as he, but He influences even cultures, not just actual individual Christians. Would you rather live in Christendom or in a mostly Muslim country? Would anyone here move to Saudi Arabia if the Tea Party wins the next two elections? Clay?

There may be better ways than the TSA uses. I don't think El Al, the Israeli airline, has suffered a hijacking since A.D. 1968.

May 15, 2013 at 2:45 a.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "Why not just do away with all charitable organizations exemptions? Why not do away with all tax exceptions, adjust the rates if needed but why thousands of pages of tax codes?"

Because, as this very issue illustrates, taxation as it exists today still makes for a very interesting game of political football.

While many Americans like to beat their chests and proclaim to live in the best country in the world, the world is laughing at us.

May 15, 2013 at 2:50 a.m.
jjmez said...

RE: "Few Muslims are terrorists, but most terrorists are Muslim, so a bit of a focus on Muslims makes perfect sense"

Let's rephrase that: In the Muslim world where innocents and entire towns and villages are being bombed daily, hourly, minutely, secondly by invading/occupying forces to them, MOST AMERICANS AND THEIR ALLIES ARE TERRORISTS. Should the world then conclude most terrorists are americans?

define terrorist %?

May 15, 2013 at 3:26 a.m.
alprova said...

I'll bet if asked, most Iraqi's would affirm that Americans are terrorists.

May 15, 2013 at 4:02 a.m.
hambone said...

Does all this mean that there has just not been a case of a Tea Party Org. breaking tax laws?

May 15, 2013 at 4:23 a.m.
Cactus said...

Clay is an idiot!

May 15, 2013 at 4:30 a.m.
alprova said...

Ah c'mon Cactus...tell us how you REALLY feel!!

May 15, 2013 at 4:33 a.m.
fairmon said...

Benghazi may be an issue but not illegal when it is learned who told Susan Rice to use the misleading talking points. Who gave them to her, when and how did they give them to her?

The IRS is doing the job it is supposed to. No tax code violations then nothing to worry about. There are far too many organizations posing as charities. The AP probe is legal and is being done legally.

Obama was most likely not aware in advance of any of these events. Should we be more concerned that he is not than if he were? His failure is those he trust and surrounds himself with. His desire and effort to be liked is detrimental to his serving as president.

It is not illegal for politicians to mislead and lie about things. What has happened that is illegal with possible criminal charges to follow?

There is a silver lining to all the distractions. They keep congress and the administration from mucking around with the economy which will improve more without their intervention than with it.

May 15, 2013 at 5:46 a.m.
anniebelle said...

The year 2010 gave us Citizens United. Suddenly corporations were people who had the right of free speech. But corporations didn't want their free speech to be disclosed. Enter the Koch Bros., Dick Armey and Freedom Works. In their basement lab, they concocted the very first para-political party, the Tea Party, disguised as a social welfare agency, a 501(c)4. Tea Party Groups were mysteriously born all over the US. Not surprisingly, people and the media began howling loudly that the Tea Party was a wholly political entity that should be a 527 entity for IRS purposes. The media mysteriously seems to have forgotten all this. Again not surprisingly the IRS began to question this rash of new applicants. That's how you make a determination. But ah, the Koch Bros were ready. In March 2012 a conservative legal foundation, the Landmark Legal Foundation filed a complaint with the Inspector General of the Treasury that the Tea Party groups were being unfairly targeted. So the Tea Party which is a 100% political organization can pretend it is a social welfare agency until the rules are changed by Congress. To fault IRS workers who were responding to complaints is an ex post facto re-investigation of something that has already been examined and addressed.

May 15, 2013 at 5:57 a.m.
caddy said...

Spot on as usual, Andrew !

Always appreciate your posts

May 15, 2013 at 6:36 a.m.
anniebelle said...

Turns out the press got played again by Republicans. Jake Tapper has the smoking gun of the original email from the Obama administration which differs significantly from the “leaked emails” ABC ran with. In an exclusive for CNN, Tapper reveals that CNN has the original email sent by a top Obama aide, regarding the administration’s reaction to the Benghazi attacks. Tapper reported, “The actual email differs from how sources characterized it to two different media organizations.” “The actual email from then-Deputy National Security Adviser for Strategic Communications Ben Rhodes appears to show that whomever (sic) leaked it did so in a way that made it appear that the White House primarily concerned with the State Department’s desire to remove references and warnings about specific terrorist groups so as to not bring criticism to the department,” Tapper concludes. The email was sent on Friday, September 14, 2012, at 9:34 p.m. and was obtained by CNN from a U.S. government source. Ironically, the email points out that there is a “ton of wrong information” coming from Congress and people who are not particularly informed (waving hello to Congressional Republicans and Mitt Romney.

May 15, 2013 at 6:47 a.m.
conservative said...

Th only thing dumber than this toon are the people who stayed up all night arguing about it.

May 15, 2013 at 7:31 a.m.
JKennedyMD said...

This is a stupid and unfair cartoon. Even Democrat Obama believes the targeting of the Tea Party by the IRS is outrageous. So much for freedom of speak and political expression, unless, of course, you speak the platform of the Democratic Party. But, who believes that Democrats are smart and fair? Minus one for the Chattanooga Times side of the editorial page.

May 15, 2013 at 7:40 a.m.
Maximus said...

Alprova, what are you talking about? You can't buy an airline ticket with an EBT card! As for Clay's toon today, a weak attempt to defend what is shaping up to be the largest organized crime organization in America, the Obama administration. As for the rest of the world laughing at us:

  1. Most of Europe is broke.
  2. The U, S. Olympic Team kicked "the worlds ass" last year especially the socialist Utopias.
  3. The U.S. Military can basically do whatever it is ordered to do, whenever and where ever it wants.
  4. I am making a LOT of money on a great stock market run.
  5. Eric Holder is conducting an investigation, everything will be fine........$:)

On my way to a golf outing. It's great to be a Tea Party Republican. Clay, it's the TSA (Thousands Standing Around) agent that would be wearing that hideous Arab head gear. They would be strip searching Angelina Jolie's new stripper boobs. LOL!

May 15, 2013 at 7:44 a.m.

Extremely desperate and stupid cartoon. Cheap attempt to deflect attention from a corrupt and lawless administration, "the most ethical administration in history".

Oblabla and holder are a couple of punks, a couple of bullies.

May 15, 2013 at 7:51 a.m.
jesse said...

Con man, i almost never agree w/you but your post at 7:31 flat out NAILED it!!

May 15, 2013 at 7:52 a.m.

“[Either grant me an honorary degree or you] will soon learn all about being audited by the IRS." – President Barack Obama to the President of Arizona State University, 2009.

Both types of profiling are wrong. They are symptoms of tribalism. The only effective alternative is the good news that God will deliver you from your prejudice and fear.

May 15, 2013 at 7:53 a.m.
fairmon said...

anniebell said..

Enter the Koch Bros., Dick Armey and Freedom Works.


What is it about these folks you object to? The Koch brothers are libertarians that are socially liberal and fiscally conservative. They contribute to things they believe in and are not nearly as dangerous as George Soros who does much more spending on attempts to influence the government. Can you name one thing they have caused the government to do that was detrimental to someone? Their contributions to medical research and other philanthropic causes are greater than many of the big money names you see in the press.

May 15, 2013 at 7:54 a.m.

Contra the isolationists’ misinformed (and lazy) rationale, “the rest of the world” doesn’t hate or mock the U.S. Instead, it is terrorists and their allies who hate the U.S. Those who see us give in to our fears are the ones who mock us. Those who see the sewers into which our secularism has led us pity us. Some nations (e.g. some European nations), simply resent us (mainly out of envy). Victims of genocide (e.g. the Kurds), dissidents in statist regimes, and leaders in fledgling democracies seem to like us okay. Resist the lazy, isolationist temptation. You might start by having lunch with an international student or a refugee.

May 15, 2013 at 7:58 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Those who see the sewers into which our secularism has led us pity us.

So, which theocracy should we emulate? Saudi Arabia? Iran? We are the most powerful and richest nation on earth, and we rank near the bottom of the western world on most societal features. The rest of the world is puzzled by us: why in such a great nation do more children die at birth? More teenagers have babies? There is more obesity? Diabetes? Heart disease? Poverty? Our wealth distribution is worse than the most corrupt banana republics. We are reactionary and paranoid with no good reason. 45% of our population confuses religious mythology for science. We spend millions fighting against the influx of drugs that are attracted to the millions our citizens are willing to spend for them. Our image is of stores packed with consumer goods beside streets awash with guns. We are a big pile of contradictions to the rest of the civilized world. They both admire us and wonder how we got to this place in history.

The highest quality of life is enjoyed by those European countries that you say envy us. And they are secular.

May 15, 2013 at 8:15 a.m.
moon4kat said...

While I abhor targeting specific associations for extra scrutiny by the IRS for solely political reasons, the fact remains that many of these groups were claiming tax-exempt status when their qualifications for that listing was/is questionable.
It seems to me that it's entirely proper to investigate whether any organization is entitled to non-profit, tax-free status when they are obviously engaged in partisan politics, a disqualifier under the law. Of course, the IRS should look at the whole spectrum of self-proclaimed "social welfare" groups, left and right.

May 15, 2013 at 8:34 a.m.
patriot1 said...

AllPoo seez...."What happened to you is why I will never fly a commercial airline for the rest of my life."

Wow...now we know why the airlines are having such financial difficulty. Ease up AllPoo!!!!

May 15, 2013 at 8:54 a.m.

This is all one big distraction from Benghazi.

Phony media outrage at the IRS. The media, who are for the most part lefties, love the IRS. The IRS is the collection agency of the left. Even though this IRS thing is a scandal, it's all meant to distract attention from Benghazi.

May 15, 2013 at 9:01 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

And Benghazi distracts from the reality that the GOP has absolutely nothing to offer Americans when it comes to the economy except for utterly transparent stonewalling.

May 15, 2013 at 9:05 a.m.
alprova said...

conservative wrote: "Th[e] only thing dumber than this toon are the people who stayed up all night arguing about it."

My, what a "Christian" thing to write.

May 15, 2013 at 9:13 a.m.
AndrewLohr said...

The political establishment has made promises we can't afford to keep (unworkable, unconstitutional and unBiblical to boot), so the whole Tea Party, by trying to save Uncle Sam from bankruptcy, is pursuing social welfare.

May 15, 2013 at 9:14 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

I'm sure that conservative approves of all the Christian posts by Maxie last night. You know, the sexist, sexually inappropriate ones made between claims of that this is a Christian nation. Image of the ideal American?

May 15, 2013 at 9:17 a.m.
alprova said...

Maximus wrote: "Alprova, what are you talking about? You can't buy an airline ticket with an EBT card!"

Sir, I do not have an EBT card. I run a business. My posting times are attest to that quite well. Your posting habits on the other hand, attest to your total dishonesty and the fact that you work part-time at best.

May 15, 2013 at 9:18 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Andrew, the tea party's desire for fiscal responsibility is great. However, they cross the line when delving into social matters and imposing religious beliefs on the citizens.

May 15, 2013 at 9:20 a.m.
AndrewLohr said...

Ikeithlu, what religion are you against, and why?

"Chinese leaders know that the top fifteen countries...on a...Prosperity Index have a Christian heritage...In 2009..,.Freedom Watch certified 89 countries as 'free'; 81...were predominantly or historically Christian"--page 88 of "What Good is God?" by Philip Yancey.

May 15, 2013 at 9:26 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Whose sectarian beliefs do you propose to make the law of the land, Andrew? The reason why Christianity is prevalent in the western world is a function of unrelated circumstances, not due to some inherent superiority of that particular religion. If you value the American ideal of freedom, you are for religious freedom as well.

People from all major religions have contributed to the greatness of America, included people of no religious belief at all.

May 15, 2013 at 9:31 a.m.
alprova said...

WWWTW wrote: "Contra the isolationists’ misinformed (and lazy) rationale, “the rest of the world” doesn’t hate or mock the U.S. Instead, it is terrorists and their allies who hate the U.S."

Who created those terrorists and gave them reason to target us?

We did, as in this nations leaders, with the deaths of each and every one of their loved ones who were disregarded as casualties of war, in our efforts to police the world and to attempt to force our political ideals on them.

"Those who see the sewers into which our secularism has led us pity us."

The ONLY thing keeping this nation from going at each others throats and exploding into war among ourselves as it is in the Middle East, is because our nation's fathers embraced secularism over religious influence when it comes to governing the populace.

"Some nations (e.g. some European nations), simply resent us (mainly out of envy)."

Oh...please.

"Victims of genocide (e.g. the Kurds), dissidents in statist regimes, and leaders in fledgling democracies seem to like us okay."

People in those kind of situations would like to be anywhere but where they were, if it means they can sleep at night. I would imagine that living in the Bronx would be more appealing.

"Resist the lazy, isolationist temptation. You might start by having lunch with an international student or a refugee."

How short some of our memories are at times. It seems to me that the last domestic incident of terror, was committed by two refugees from Russia, who had lived in the good ole' USA for ten years.

Look...don't get me wrong. I love this nation. I live a good and decent life. I wouldn't want to live anywhere else. That does not mean that I blindly support this nation's policies to stick their noses in the affairs of other sovereign nations.

We have many problems in this nation and at the same time a severe and perpetual shortage of people elected to office who are willing to do the task of solving them.

May 15, 2013 at 9:42 a.m.
alprova said...

Ikeithlu, your postings this morning are works of art. You are spot on with every single point you have offered.

May 15, 2013 at 9:52 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Well, how kind of you to say! I learn an awful lot from you. (and I have a lot to learn)

May 15, 2013 at 9:54 a.m.
DJHBRAINERD said...

The last couple times I have flown the TSA agents were a mix of various races and ages, kinda like the DMV . I guess only on the left side of the paper are the TSA agents all white, abusing the poor minority woman. What ever feeds to the base eh?

May 15, 2013 at 9:54 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

I have had no problem with TSA but I am very used to working with law enforcement and feel comfortable around them.

Of course it doesn't hurt that I am a very small white middle aged modestly dressed female either. Not much of a threat. And I'm willing to look them in the eye and smile a lot.

May 15, 2013 at 9:56 a.m.
alprova said...

Ikeithlu wrote: "Well, how kind of you to say! I learn an awful lot from you. (and I have a lot to learn)"

Clearly, you are much more refined and patient. That is very admirable and I do admire you for that most of all.

I also need to give a shout out to Ms. Anniebelle this morning as well. Her two early morning posts were accurate and informative, for those seeking the truth and interested in facts rather than to slap each other on the backs with their theories.

May 15, 2013 at 10 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

??? I thought it was Obama that said the IRS actions were an outrage. This would be one of the rare times I agree with him.

BTW, I have heard my share of stories about citizens involved in conservative causes finding they were having a hard time getting back into the country when they travel internationally. I wish liberals would not be so quick to think it is a good idea to selectively respect civil rights. While you celebrate or downplay the abuses against conservatives under your administration you are setting precedent for the future.

May 15, 2013 at 10:02 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

I have heard my share of stories about citizens involved in conservative causes finding they were having a hard time getting back into the country when they travel internationally.

I'd like to hear some evidence to suggest that this is due to their being involved in conservative causes. This smells fishy to me.

We got held up because we had been in the country in the UK and they had an outbreak of hoof and mouth disease. That DID smell, but not fishy. They finally just asked us to step in a tray of antiseptic.

May 15, 2013 at 10:04 a.m.
Livn4life said...

Absolutely NO COMPARISON and not funny! Let's see who laughs and likes it.....

May 15, 2013 at 10:25 a.m.
anniebelle said...

fairmon, I could name a hundred ways the Koch brothers have insidiously infected our democracy. Here's just a couple, you can do your own research, but you won't. A recent article in The Wichita Eagle reveals that the Koch brothers have found new ways to increase their influence in the US Congress.

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One of the new Energy and Commerce Committee members include Rep. Mike Pompeo, R-Wichita and he hired a former Koch Industries lawyer as his chief of staff. Other key players include its new chairman, Rep. Fred Upton. He is a Republican from Michigan who was once criticized for being too soft on the EPA. Now he and others are likely to try and gut the EPA to the best of their abilities.

Koch Industries has never taken well to the EPA. They have found political allies and loop holes in their attempts to trash the environment without government interference. For the 2004 election Koch gave $587,000 to politicians.

Koch’s efforts have reached other states such as California. This last November they supported California’s Proposition 23, which would kill the state’s landmark global warming law. The Koch brothers’ corporation gave $1 million to the Prop 23 campaign, while AFP (Americans For Prosperity, a conservative lobby group which seeks to stop or even roll back environmental protection,) California attempts to stoke grassroots support, and Koch-funded think tanks attack climate policy.

Besides using the AFT, Koch has also infiltrated the Tea Party. The Battle cry of many of these anti-environmentalists is to “oppose job-killing regulations.” So while they use political influence to destroy our environment, they want you to believe it is in our best interest to do that.

This is one more example of a greedy, irresponsible corporation buying off our government.

May 15, 2013 at 10:29 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Has there ever been a bigger BS'er than Alpo? I mean the man absolutely oozes BS. 💩

May 15, 2013 at 10:38 a.m.
tifosi said...

"I am making a LOT of money on a great stock market run."

Proof that President Obama is a failure as a "socialist".

May 15, 2013 at 10:41 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

PT, I invite you to address any of the points made by alprova. Be specific and provide evidence to support your bleating. Or else, go back to the sandbox and let the grown-ups talk.

May 15, 2013 at 10:44 a.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "Benghazi may be an issue but not illegal when it is learned who told Susan Rice to use the misleading talking points."

That is what is so ridiculous about the Benghazi witch hunt. If there were deliberate lies told, even if they were told for political reasons given the tight Presidential race, as some believe, so what?

Any lies told, if there were any, does not change the fundamental fact that four people died in a diplomatic post without walls that would have been difficult to protect had there been a whole platoon of soldiers surrounding it.

No one was under oath. No one was harmed as a result of any perceived lie.

CNN's Wolf Blitzer is the ONLY journalist to ask the question that gets to the heart of what happened.

"What was the Ambassador thinking when he decided to be in Benghazi on September 11th in light of all the warnings and rumors of a possible attack?"

Chris Stevens bears the brunt of responsibility for his own death and those of his staff for not heeding those warnings. I mean no disrespect in offering that, but had he delayed his arrival a week, he and those others might still be alive, and the simple fact is that it was totally his decision to be there on that open compound with low-level security in place.

It's kind of like me walking down Main street or Rossville Boulevard at midnight with a handful of hundred dollar bills and expecting that I would not be robbed at gunpoint.

"Who gave them to her, when and how did they give them to her?"

The CIA has taken full credit for every one of those publicly released talking points.

"The IRS is doing the job it is supposed to. No tax code violations then nothing to worry about. There are far too many organizations posing as charities. The AP probe is legal and is being done legally."

I'm confident that what you say is exactly the way this will all play out.

"Obama was most likely not aware in advance of any of these events."

Ah...but some people are of the opinion that the President is supposed to be aware of everything and everyone at all times. Any failures or wrongdoings by anyone connected with the Federal Government are his failures and wrongdoings.

"It is not illegal for politicians to mislead and lie about things. What has happened that is illegal with possible criminal charges to follow?"

Nothing, which is why this eight month long "investigation" is nothing more than politics at it's absolute rock bottom.

"There is a silver lining to all the distractions. They keep congress and the administration from mucking around with the economy which will improve more without their intervention than with it."

That Sir, is a very profound and astute observation.

May 15, 2013 at 10:47 a.m.
alprova said...

The reincarnation of JackDennis wrote: "Has there ever been a bigger BS'er than Alpo? I mean the man absolutely oozes BS. 💩"

I see that now that you have been outed, that you have chosen to resume your trolling of people directly, rather than to keep up this cutesy ploy of making brief political comments.

That's okay. You'll soon be widely ignored again and I'm sure that you're reinvent yourself for the fourth time as someone else.

It's a shame that you cannot change your writing style for more than a week. It gives you away every time.

Go suck on a prune you old goat.

May 15, 2013 at 10:58 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Lu, it's the verbosity. The need to talk about his personal life. The unctuousness he projects to those agreeing with him. He could have been Eddie Haskell as a youth. Just my opinion, Mrs. Cleaver.

May 15, 2013 at 10:59 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Your opinion is only that, an opinion. Doesn't make it true or accurate. (or worth anything) You have shown little ability to contribute anything of substance to any conversation here. When you do, we'll listen. Until then, you are as inconsequential as a buzzing fly.

May 15, 2013 at 11:02 a.m.
Magnatron said...

Obama lied to cover up the White House's cooperation with Al Qaeda to illegally ship arms to Syrian rebels. Once the survivors can be brought back to the US to be deposed, they'll confirm it in front of Congress. But Obama's impeachment will not come from Benghazigate, the IRS scandal, the AP invasion, nor Fast and Furious... but from HHS's ILLEGAL fundraising.

May 15, 2013 at 11:11 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

So Lu, what is it exactly that you contribute? It's all opinion. I see nothing substantive added by you...maybe a propensity to talk about your "science", etc.....Maybe you just expect all to buy-in to your BS and ridicule other opinions. Yes?

May 15, 2013 at 11:11 a.m.
carlB said...

Has anybody noticed how many of these Non profit-tax free groups have applied for their status positions? When this happens and they are all political, as is proven, is there anyone aGAINST THE IRS having to spend more time on these NEW AppLICATIONS?

May 15, 2013 at 11:17 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Mr. Prova: Old goat? You've been hanging around your little buddy Easy Ilyich too long.

May 15, 2013 at 11:22 a.m.
jesse said...

Outing folks on here that don't want to be outed can be hazardus to your own I.D.! Even if you know who they are no one should put someones real name out on here!

It's petty, childish and serves no good end!!

May 15, 2013 at 11:27 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

^^^ jesse ✅

May 15, 2013 at 11:33 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Would you like evidence on any one of my points, PT? Just ask.

crickets chirping

Yeah, that's what I thought

May 15, 2013 at 11:34 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

evidence lu? On your ldeological musings? Just opinion, same as mine.

May 15, 2013 at 11:53 a.m.
alprova said...

Do you know what your problem is Jack?

You're just another retired old goat who once had a purpose in life, who is now living off the good will funded by the taxpayers of this nation, in complete denial of your own existence and circumstance in life, who fills your days and evenings with the thought that because your life sucks, you're determined to see who it is that you can get a rise out of next.

You detest anyone who is unlike your current self.

Sir, I do not feel the "need" to reveal details about my personal life, but on occasion, I do. What's it to you?

Your particular problem with verbosity and any perception of unctuousness (I had to look that one up) that you believe I project is strictly a matter of opinion.

I love to write. I love to engage in long, protracted, sometimes meaningless conversations about everything and anything. I'm quite social in person and despite my political differences with people, I am well liked and I have lots of friends.

Most of all, I like the person I am.

You should be so lucky, for my perceptions tell me that you are likely without many friends, that you live alone, that your favorite food comes from a can, and that you may have once been a decent human being, but you are now just a bitter old man.

If you choose to go through the rest of your life as a jerk, that's your problem and it's not going to change me one bit, nor am I willing to alter my persona to appeal to yours.

I wish you well. May you enjoy your life of brief bouts of mental masturbation, and my sincere and humble apology in advance for this, my latest example of sheer verbosity run amok.

May 15, 2013 at 11:55 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Actually, they are not, PT. When I make a claim I can back it up if asked to do so.

And if say that someone else is wrong, I back that up too.

May 15, 2013 at 11:56 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

tifosi said... "I am making a LOT of money on a great stock market run."

I hope you get out before this bubble bursts!

May 15, 2013 at 11:57 a.m.
klifnotes said...

fairmon said... Benghazi may be an issue but not illegal when it is learned who told Susan Rice to use the misleading talking points. Who gave them to her, when and how did they give them to her?

Absolutely and totally agree. It's coming to light Benghazi was a CIA operation all along, and all the misleading information may have been coming from them so as not to expose any covert operations they were involved in.

The IRS is doing the job it is supposed to. No tax code violations then nothing to worry about. There are far too many organizations posing as charities. The AP probe is legal and is being done legally.

You have a fair and intelligent take on the situation. Many tea party and patriot organizations sprung up across the country only to be used to go after political opponents under the pretense of being a non-profit/concerned citizens operation. Locally would be a very good example. Look how they went after people they wanted out of office and to replace with their own. Take how some openly bragged about what they'd done to people they didn't like right on this board.

Obama was most likely not aware in advance of any of these events. Should we be more concerned that he is not than if he were? His failure is those he trust and surrounds himself with. His desire and effort to be liked is detrimental to his serving as president.

DANG!! You're really on a roll today. You keep this up you're going to start me liking you. Seriously, though. In his attempts to continue to reach across the isle and the reaching coming mainly from him and his side, he's surrounded himself with individuals he wants to trust, but who are sabotaging everything he does. All the while, openly smiling in his face and agreeing with him. Then going behind his back to destroy him, this administration and his presidency.

It is not illegal for politicians to mislead and lie about things. What has happened that is illegal with possible criminal charges to follow?

You're right again! What's happened that's illegal is absolutely nothing!

There is a silver lining to all the distractions. They keep congress and the administration from mucking around with the economy which will improve more without their intervention than with it

Finally, and hopefully, Congress will remain distracted for the next several years. At least until they're up for re-election and get their bottoms kicked out of office once and for all.

These so-called Obama "scandals" are actually turning into "SCANDALS THAT NEVER WERE".

May 15, 2013 at 11:59 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Klif, I agree. Obama totally unaware of everything.

May 15, 2013 at 12:04 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

I am trying to verify the issue of the AP probe. Something about leaking a false story about Obama's assassination, and then reaping the benefits from the big market drop and recovery. Has anyone seen anything about this?

May 15, 2013 at 12:06 p.m.
alprova said...

"Mr. Prova: Old goat? You've been hanging around your little buddy Easy Ilyich too long."

I estimate you to be about 70ish. You clearly do not work for a living. I seem to recall that you confirmed this at one time, in a brief moment when you were not guarding your secrecy, although I am not certain that is so.

I also recall that you once published an avatar that appeared to be a personal portrait, but who knows for sure who or what you really are, for you just love to portray yourself as a moderate, but you rarely post an opinion that is not totally right-wing in nature.

Enough. I'm not interested in filling the rest of my day off with exchanges of personal insults with you or anyone else. You're not going to succeed in dragging me down to your level of interest in this forum.

May 15, 2013 at 12:07 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Klif: Here's the deal> If it’s a scandal involving Republicans, the story is the scandal. If it’s a scandal involving Democrats, the story — or at least a significant part of it — is whether and how Republicans will ‘politicize’ the scandal for their advantage. sounds about right

May 15, 2013 at 12:08 p.m.
alprova said...

Ikeithlu wrote: "I am trying to verify the issue of the AP probe. Something about leaking a false story about Obama's assassination, and then reaping the benefits from the big market drop and recovery. Has anyone seen anything about this?"

I don't know who benefited from it, but the very brief stock market plunge and recovery due to an AP Twitter account is true.

http://www.mynews.in/News/stock_market_recovers_after_fake_tweet_of_obamas_assassination_pulled_it_down_N548419.html

May 15, 2013 at 12:15 p.m.
alprova said...

Here's a little more about the Tweet that rocked the world for a few moments;

http://www.app.com/usatoday/article/2106985

May 15, 2013 at 12:18 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

He Chris Matthews added, “For anybody to run around in Washington and say ‘We don’t run the IRS,’ or ‘We can’t control the Justice Department, and I’m recusing myself,’ they say ‘The steering wheel doesn’t control the car any more.’ The person says ‘I want the person I voted for to be in charge. The only power I have, and you’re telling me I don’t have it? Because you don’t have it. And that is going to really bug people, especially people that care about government doing a good job. wow, sounds like the tingle is gone

May 15, 2013 at 12:19 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

So where did you copy and paste that partial thought, PT? It would be nice to see the whole thing. Try again, and then explain why and how it applies here.

May 15, 2013 at 12:22 p.m.
klifnotes said...

lkeithlu said... I am trying to verify the issue of the AP probe. Something about leaking a false story about Obama's assassination, and then reaping the benefits from the big market drop and recovery. Has anyone seen anything about this

I actually came across a discussion about it on another website yesterday, but I didn't save it. I wish I had.

May 15, 2013 at 12:26 p.m.
klifnotes said...

PlainTruth said... Klif, I agree. Obama totally unaware of everything.

Not really. President Obama ( I understand it pains you greatly to use the word president in conjunction with the name Obama, but he is the president of this great nation, be you like it or not/Get over is! Get use to it!) is likely the most aware president to serve in office since John Kennedy.

May 15, 2013 at 12:30 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Mr. Prova: thanks for proving my point.

May 15, 2013 at 12:32 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

You never made any point, PT.

May 15, 2013 at 12:33 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

I found this, but it states that the reason was a leak of a classified report about a foiled terror plot. Certainly not anything to do with a false assassination claim.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22532057

I now just found that the story of Obama's being killed/injured and the market dip was caused by Syrian hackers that sent a tweet making it appear it came from the AP. Completely different story, unrelated to the probe. My apologies.

May 15, 2013 at 12:41 p.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "Mr. Prova: thanks for proving my point."

And the point I "proved" was what?

May 15, 2013 at 12:44 p.m.
miraweb said...

Like too many forums, this one does offer green cards to Oldgoatistan (and Homeschoolia).

I think Clay made his point perfectly (as he usually does).

There are a several groups of Americans that can count on extra "scrutiny" from the government any time they want to fly, drive on a highway, or even walk down the street.

I have a friend who is about 6'3, has olive skin and favored a scraggly beard and an oversized army jacket while in college.

Flying with him was an exercise in patient waiting while he was pulled aside - multiple times - for "random checks."

I guess he fit the "profile" just a little too well for overly suspicious minds.

May 15, 2013 at 1 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

The point being that you're a bloated, unctuous, wordy, self-absorbed, prick.

May 15, 2013 at 1:07 p.m.
MickeyRat said...

So what’s the scandal?

After all, the IRS was doing their job. The only thing the IRS may have done wrong was not go after as many liberal groups just as hard; but who is to say they didn’t? Does anyone know the ratio of "liberal" to "tea party" applicants applied for exempt status? No you don’t. It’s irrelevant.

I read earlier a perfect metaphor for this is: ‘It was more along the lines of "using a butterknife from the drawer as a screwdriver instead of bothering to go down the basement to get an actual screwdriver’

Which of course why we have this right wing outrageorama. Mitch McConnell volunteering to lead the pitchfork brigade. Once that happens there is little (even facts) to simmer them down. Tea partiers feel they were singled out for harassed and are being persecuted (as are all Christians) for their beliefs and principles. There ain’t gonna be much stopping them now. Special prosecutor anyone?

These tri cornered freepers shouting "they done us wrong - get 'em" are some of the ugliest, imbecilic aspects of human behavior. I'm sick of these crybaby fat white teabaggers acting like they are the only people ever to be wronged in this world.

Of course – as always…Obama caves. Sunken shouldered…I’m sorry. Pathetic.

May 15, 2013 at 1:12 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

The government is simply too big for President Obama to keep track of all the wrongdoing taking place on his watch, his former senior adviser, David Axelrod, told MSNBC. wow, Dubya should have thought of this one.

May 15, 2013 at 1:12 p.m.
tifosi said...

Sounds like Maximus:

Alprova said "You're just another retired old goat who once had a purpose in life, who is now living off the good will funded by the taxpayers of this nation, in complete denial of your own existence and circumstance in life, who fills your days and evenings with the thought that because your life sucks, you're determined to see who it is that you can get a rise out of next."

May 15, 2013 at 1:18 p.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "The point being that you're a bloated, unctuous, wordy, self-absorbed, prick."

Whatever, you old goat.

May 15, 2013 at 1:21 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

“I don’t think anyone truly believes that the president has given us a sufficient answer for America, much less the press,” Rangel said on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe.” more racist piling on from the Right....eh?

May 15, 2013 at 2:07 p.m.
jesse said...

WOW P.T.

What great word.Wish i had thought of it!!Ya could apply it to numerous posters on here!

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/unctuous

May 15, 2013 at 2:08 p.m.
ibshame said...

Looks like ole Jake Tapper finally has a scoop for CNN. One has to wonder just how long the Repubs on Capitol Hill will keep the Benghazi witch hunt going once the public understands the information found in this email. LOL

CNN exclusive: White House email contradicts Benghazi leaks This story has been updated from its original version CNN's Jake Tapper reports:

CNN has obtained an e-mail sent by a top aide to President Barack Obama about White House reaction to the deadly attack last September 11 on the U.S. diplomatic compound in Benghazi, Libya, that apparently differs from how sources characterized it to two different media organizations.

The actual e-mail from then-Deputy National Security Adviser for Strategic Communications Ben Rhodes appears to show that whomever leaked it did so in a way that made it appear that the White House was primarily concerned with the State Department's desire to remove references and warnings about specific terrorist groups so as to not bring criticism to the department.

In the e-mail sent on Friday, September 14, 2012, at 9:34 p.m., obtained by CNN from a U.S. government source, Rhodes wrote:

http://thelead.blogs.cnn.com/2013/05/14/cnn-exclusive-white-house-email-contradicts-benghazi-leaks/

Read it and weep Repubs,another Obama Scandal bites the dust and once again your dreams of impeaching another Dem President die just like your dreams of defeating him in the election of 2012.

May 15, 2013 at 2:14 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Another beautiful day that I will enjoy greatly although it is a little warm to sit in the direct sun. Not that I’m complaining as I have much to be thankful .

Just for a start to such pleasantries let me post something I would imagine we could all agree on.


http://www.wtsp.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=316418

TAMPA BAY, Florida -- A subtle, but significant tweak to Florida's rules regarding traffic signals has allowed local cities and counties to shorten yellow light intervals, resulting in millions of dollars in additional red light camera fines.


Government - Just like fire, it’s always our friend and kindly helper as long as it doesn’t get all over you.

May 15, 2013 at 2:16 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

ibshame: so, why not release all emails?* Hmm?

May 15, 2013 at 2:20 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Jt6: Right. "I'm with the gubmint and I'm here to help you." beware the brown shoes.

May 15, 2013 at 2:22 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

ibshame said...

Looks like ole Jake Tapper finally has a scoop for CNN. One has to wonder just how long the Repubs on Capitol Hill will keep the Benghazi witch hunt going once the public understands the information found in this email. LOL

Read it and weep Repubs,another Obama Scandal bites the dust and once again your dreams of impeaching another Dem President die just like your dreams of defeating him in the election of 2012.


Wow! This is an amazing find. Who knew that the details of what happened before, during, and after the Benghazi attack could be cleared up with this one e-mail. Will wonders never cease?

I’m just hoping that this is not just your opinion and you will provide back-up as how this will end this whole charade. This could clear this matter up for good.

May 15, 2013 at 2:27 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said ….

If "Tea-Party" or any connotation thereof appears in the name of your group, claiming to be a charitable organization, it automatically and immediately associates you with the concept of tax protestation, right or wrong as it may be.


Profiling!

I’m all for it if it is applied “universally” to all groups no matter their sex, color, national origin, religion, or creed.

Are you?

Really?

Hailing a cab while black?

May 15, 2013 at 2:30 p.m.

Lkeithlu: You managed to both prove my point and demonstrate that you don’t know what secularism is, in spite of the fact that your worldview is shaped by its assumptions. Secularism is not a form of government. It is a worldview that is hostile or indifferent to religion. Our system of government so values religion that it protects its free expression and provides for a pluralistic society in which a variety of denominations can co-exist and express themselves. You cannot (constitutionally, at least) muzzle religion’s public voice and public activity, as secularists advocate. Only in recent decades have certain sectors and representatives of our government descended into the hostile variety of secularism. It is that version that non-Western societies so disdain.

It is simplistic secularism that sees theocracy and hostility to religion as the only two options. Religious pluralism is the option which most Christian societies embrace. Besides the Vatican, can you name a single Christian theocracy in modern history? Even in pre-modern history, such examples are few and far between (unless you mistakenly equate Rome with Christianity, of course).

You are correct that a large, wealthy, powerful, and complex society such as that of the U.S. is riddled *with contradictions and subject to a variety of interpretations, and no less so as a result of our becoming more secular. And no less so than other diverse societies. The European societies you laud are among the most homogeneous societies in the world. That, clearly, is your preference. The “civilized world” is not limited to white, northern European societies as you suggest.

The West is still leaching off the benefits of a Judeo-Christian worldview, even though it has never fully embraced its antidote to tribalism. We are still Roman in the sense of being victims of our own success. Our adherence to traditional Judeo-Christian morality has not kept up with our material success. As a result, both are on a trajectory of decline.

Isolationism is naïve and counterproductive. It has led to far more violent conflict than does a system of diplomacy and strategic defense alliances.

May 15, 2013 at 2:32 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said ….

If, and only if, it comes to light that there were politically based groups of a liberal/democrat/progressive nature that were granted tax-exempt status, AND that are additionally found to be operating in violation of IRS rules and regulations, then let's talk about a valid scandal.


Well there is this:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/05/14/irs-tea-party-progressive-groups/2158831/

WASHINGTON -- In February 2010, the Champaign Tea Party in Illinois received approval of its tax-exempt status from the IRS in 90 days, no questions asked.

That was the month before the Internal Revenue Service started singling out Tea Party groups for special treatment. There wouldn't be another Tea Party application approved for 27 months.

In that time, the IRS approved perhaps dozens of applications from similar liberal and progressive groups, a USA TODAY review of IRS data shows.

As applications from conservative groups sat in limbo, groups with liberal-sounding names had their applications approved in as little as nine months. With names including words like "Progress" or "Progressive," the liberal groups applied for the same tax status and were engaged in the same kinds of activities as the conservative groups.

May 15, 2013 at 2:36 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Beware the creeping theocracy.

May 15, 2013 at 2:38 p.m.
acerigger said...

MickeyRat said...

"So what’s the scandal? "

I'm with you mickeyrat,Tea Party groups were applying for 501(c)4 status. Political groups can’t be 501(c)4s. They can’t be involved directly in politics, raise money for candidates, launch primary challenges, run for office, etc. But groups calling themselves “Tea Party” and “Patriots” had been in the news for months doing exactly that! So why is it a big deal that the IRS was looking into the activities of groups calling themselves “Tea Party” before granting them non-profit status?

What am I missing here?

Remember when the FBI infiltrated anti-war groups as they planned protests ahead of the 2008 Republican National Convention in Minneapolis? Probably not — there’s little mention of this in the corporate media.

Remember the Pentagon’s TALON data base, which targeted anti-war Quakers and Don’t Ask Don’t Tell protestors? Doubtful: most people have probably never heard of it. Outside the lefty press, it got little attention on cable and network news.

Remember back in 2003 when the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation took down names of anti-war protestors at an MTSU peace rally? More recently, remember when the FBI targeted Occupy Wall Street?

Imagine the Tea Party hysterics if the FBI put their leaders on the terror watch list. But you don’t see Morning Joe booking the head of PETA to discuss the ways they were targeted, and the Wall Street Journal is calling this “Nixonian.” Seriously? So you had to wait a little longer for your tax exempt status to clear on account of your politicking. Cry me a damn river, you big babies. Call me when your name is placed on a secret domestic terror watch list.

May 15, 2013 at 2:39 p.m.
alprova said...

Jt6gR3hM wrote: "Profiling!"

The IRS is supposed to profile. In fact, their entire audit process is based on profiling, grouping, categorizing, and comparing to raise red flags whenever something is amiss.

"I’m all for it if it is applied “universally” to all groups no matter their sex, color, national origin, religion, or creed."

If you feel that strongly about it, you really owe it to yourself to apply for a position with the TSA, because you'd fit right in, if in fact that is your true belief.

The new word of the day, thanks to Jackie is unctuous and I suspect that it accurately describes you to a "T.".

"Hailing a cab while black?"

Apples and watermelons sweetheart.

May 15, 2013 at 2:41 p.m.
alprova said...

Next week, the next big GOP scandal investigation will be that the President forgot to flush a toilet in the White House and remnants of a doobie will be found floating in the bowl, which will be photographed,sent to a lab to be analyzed, and a demand by Congrssional Republicans that the President submit a DNA sample for comparison.

May 15, 2013 at 2:50 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said ….

Look...it's very simple. When submitting an application to the IRS to be considered a tax-exempt organization, there are rules and regulations that must be met.


That is a very reasonable position however it is odd that there was no mention of the IRS having some even rudimentary rules and regulations that they may want to abide by.

I don’t know but I’m just saying.

May 15, 2013 at 2:59 p.m.
ibshame said...

"Jt6gR3hM said...

Wow! This is an amazing find. Who knew that the details of what happened before, during, and after the Benghazi attack could be cleared up with this one e-mail. Will wonders never cease? I’m just hoping that this is not just your opinion and you will provide back-up as how this will end this whole charade. This could clear this matter up for good."

Tudumb everyone knows how your kind wants this to end. If anything your ilk has been looking for something to run President Obama out of office from the day he beat old man McCain. The problem is very simply you can't find anything. LOL All the hoopla over his birth certificate made teabaggers, Donald Trump and all the rest of the idiots look the fools they are but that didn't stop the clown circus. No, and it's highly unlikely this Benghazi email will stop the circus but it is fun watching your kind continually get your azzez kicked and made to look like idiots. One can hardly wait to watch Hillary in 2016 continue the azz kicking show

In the meantime Repubs will continue to stick their fingers in their ears because to paraphrase one of the best movie lines ever THEY CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH Barack Obama is the President and he beat them not once but twice and Hillary will beat them again in 2016.

May 15, 2013 at 3:02 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said ….

The man got on national television yesterday and condemned it and vowed to let any and all investigations proceed and for those responsible to be held accountable.


And of course no president has ever appeared on television and pointed their finger at us as they lied through their teeth about their involvement in a scandal. So I guess Obama is now in the clear?

May 15, 2013 at 3:06 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said ...

Surely you are not suggesting that all groups who applied for tax-exempt status were squeaky clean or that they all were not political beings without political motivations, are you?


No, I don’t remember posting or saying anything like that but if I did you could supply that information if you would.

I have noticed there are some type of posters that think a certain type of group are filthy dirty and want to overthrow our government and install a theocracy or banana republic dictatorship. You may want to check with them.

May 15, 2013 at 3:16 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

alprova said... "Next week, the next big GOP scandal investigation will be that the President..."

Isn't it time for them to get on the weapons running to the Muslim Brotherhood in Syria? They have pretty much ignored that one so far. As long as they have decided they are going to give a hoot about the president's misbehaviour they should hit on that one too.

May 15, 2013 at 3:42 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

ibshame said...

"Jt6gR3hM said... Wow! This is an amazing find. Who knew that the details of what happened before, during, and after the Benghazi attack could be cleared up with this one e-mail. Will wonders never cease? I’m just hoping that this is not just your opinion and you will provide back-up as how this will end this whole charade. This could clear this matter up for good."

… everyone knows how your kind wants … your ilk has been looking for something …. your kind continually get your azzez kicked and made to look like idiots.


At first that hurt my feelings but then I calmed down and was able to appreciate the many excellent points you made.

By the way is “your kind or ilk” just another way of saying “you people”? Just asking.

May 15, 2013 at 3:44 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

acerigger said...

Political groups can’t be 501(c)4s. They can’t be involved directly in politics, raise money for candidates, launch primary challenges, run for office, etc. But groups calling themselves “Tea Party” and “Patriots” had been in the news for months doing exactly that! So why is it a big deal that the IRS was looking into the activities of groups calling themselves “Tea Party” before granting them non-profit status?

What am I missing here?


Maybe this:

From the tax code:

“501(c)(4) organizations are generally civic leagues and other corporations operated exclusively for the promotion of "social welfare", such as civics and civics issues, or local associations of employees with membership limited to a designated company or people in a particular municipality or neighborhood, and with net earnings devoted exclusively to charitable, educational, or recreational purposes. 501(c)(4) organizations may lobby for legislation, and unlike 501(c)(3) organizations they may also participate in political campaigns and elections, as long as its primary activity is the promotion of social welfare.”

May 15, 2013 at 3:50 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

acerigger said...

Remember when the FBI infiltrated anti-war groups as they planned protests ahead of the 2008 Republican National Convention in Minneapolis? Probably not — there’s little mention of this in the corporate media.

(But! But! everybody is doing it mom. Why would you punish me for doing what everybody is doing. You just don't love me!)

Remember the Pentagon’s TALON data base, which targeted anti-war Quakers and Don’t Ask Don’t Tell protestors?

(But! But! everybody is doing it mom. Why would you punish me for doing what everybody is doing. You just don't love me!)

Remember back in 2003 when the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation took down names of anti-war protestors at an MTSU peace rally?

(Etc.)

More recently, remember when the FBI targeted Occupy Wall Street?

(Etc.)

But you don’t see Morning Joe booking the head of PETA to discuss the ways they were targeted, and the Wall Street Journal is calling this “Nixonian.” Seriously?

Doubtful most people have probably never heard of it. Outside the lefty press, it got little attention on cable and network news.

(It is very disturbing when you side is targeted like that isn’t it?)

Call me when your name is placed on a secret domestic terror watch list.

(I would venture to say that if anyone you are referring to were placed on a “secret domestic terror watch list” it would be a knock on the door and not just a simple phone call. If you know what I mean.)

May 15, 2013 at 4:20 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Man has it got quite here on the old web site.

Very odd that very few people want to promote and defend their viewpoint.

I guess at a certain point it's just a fool's errand to do so when the outcome is already determined.

May 15, 2013 at 4:25 p.m.
acerigger said...

So jt, you're saying that targeting and phone-tapping,much less infiltrating "Leftist" groups is no worse than taking a closer look at the "Right's" application for tax-exempt status?

May 15, 2013 at 4:31 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

You cannot (constitutionally, at least) muzzle religion’s public voice and public activity, as secularists advocate.

This is not what "secularists" are trying to do. They are making sure that no one imposes their religious beliefs on others at taxpayers expense. There is a difference. No churches are locked. No one goes to jail for expressing a belief.

Religious pluralism is the option which most Christian societies embrace.

Fine, but that means all religions, not just variations of Christianity. That includes no religion as well.

The European societies you laud are among the most homogeneous societies in the world.

Not anymore.

The West is still leaching off the benefits of a Judeo-Christian worldview, even though it has never fully embraced its antidote to tribalism.

You missed my point earlier. The West advanced ahead of other regions of the world, not due to Christianity but in spite of it. Europe had more of the natural resources needed to develop a technologically advanced society; primarily suitable native animals and plants for domestication. Had it been the far east, we'd be quarreling over various forms of Shinto, Buddhism and other eastern religions.

No one is saying that Christianity did not play a part. But earlier in European civilization, particularly when England, France and especially Spain were colonizing the world, Christianity was used as an excuse to take over. Convenient to say the least. But Christianity itself has nothing that makes it better than any other religious tradition. It is not the reason that the US is the most powerful country-it and Europe became powerful and Christianity benefited.

We are not universally liked or hated. We are disliked by Latin America because of our history of supporting dictators that had horrible human rights records but were US business-friendly. Europeans like and respect us (not resent) but sometimes thinks we are arrogant and silly. The far east has learned to profit off of us, and the Middle East has countries that hate us intensely, sometimes for good reason.

I'm not sure where you got the impression that I was an isolationist.

May 15, 2013 at 4:52 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

acerigger said...

So jt, you're saying that targeting and phone-tapping,much less infiltrating "Leftist" groups is no worse than taking a closer look at the "Right's" application for tax-exempt status?


No. If it was limited to “taking a closer look”.

Yes. Because it was not limited.

May 15, 2013 at 5:10 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

hambone said...

Does all this mean that there has just not been a case of a Tea Party Org. breaking tax laws?


No.

However it is prima facie evidence that the IRS and possibly the White House did so.

May 15, 2013 at 5:12 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

anniebelle said ….

But ah, the Koch Bros were ready. In March 2012 a conservative legal foundation, the Landmark Legal Foundation filed a complaint with the Inspector General of the Treasury that the Tea Party groups were being unfairly targeted.


And they had reason to file that complaint … didn’t they?

May 15, 2013 at 5:15 p.m.
prairie_dog said...

I wonder if drugs were legal, gay marriage was universal, welfare was available for anyone who doesn't want to work, health care was universal, and people like Clay could go around doing exactly what they want to do without worrying how it affects others, if even THEN he would be happy.

May 15, 2013 at 5:25 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

^^^^doubtful

May 15, 2013 at 5:32 p.m.
Easy123 said...

prairie_dog,

"if drugs were legal"

Can you give me one logical reason why marijuana is illegal and tobacco and alcohol aren't?

"gay marriage was universal"

It basically is in most modernized countries outside of the United States of America.

"welfare was available for anyone who doesn't want to work"

There are work requirements for welfare recipients. Welfare is a safety net for those that lose their jobs, not a "work not required' paycheck.

"health care was universal"

Again, it is in most industrialized countries outside of the United States.

"and people like Clay could go around doing exactly what they want to do without worrying how it affects others"

You mean "acting like a Republican"?

"if even THEN he would be happy."

I bet Clay Bennett is very happy considering he gets paid to draw cartoons and gets hundreds of comments on those very cartoons every single day.

May 15, 2013 at 5:35 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

lkeithlu said...

The highest quality of life is enjoyed by those European countries that you say envy us. And they are secular.


Are you referring to Southern Europe or Northern Europe?

If you know what I mean?

May 15, 2013 at 5:42 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Northern. Sorry to not specify. Although in some categories all of Europe (and countries elsewhere) still have us beat.

May 15, 2013 at 5:57 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Easy123 said...

Can you give me one logical reason why marijuana is illegal and tobacco and alcohol aren't?


Just because it is absurdist that those conditions exist there are still many cultural and traditional issues that can easily explain logically why they do so. However it will be just as absurdist that in the near future all three will be legal (de jure) but tobacco will be banned (de facto) even though they will all cause much death and harm.

May 15, 2013 at 6:02 p.m.
alprova said...

The GOP witch hunt is falling apart.

The White House has released 100 pages of emails, which are now available to the public.

Eric Holder shamed Darrel Issa on national television earlier today.

The President is just about to speak about the IRS scandal.

Apparently, the GOP is going to take a butt whipping because enough is enough.

Crickets will start chirping tomorrow.

May 15, 2013 at 6:11 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

The one that causes the least death and harm is pot. Seems we have it a bit backwards, no?

May 15, 2013 at 6:12 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Easy123 said...

There are work requirements for welfare recipients. Welfare is a safety net for those that lose their jobs, not a "work not required' paycheck.


Welfare is so pre 2009 and is more trouble than it’s worth. The new and shiny option is disability as it exemplifies “Hope and Change”. Hope they don’t find out that you’re sandbagging and the change to a status that has no work requirement if you're lucky enough to get the full ride.

May 15, 2013 at 6:27 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

lkeithlu said...

The one that causes the least death and harm is pot. Seems we have it a bit backwards, no?


Is that “in total” or as a percentage of users? As pot becomes more prevalent the mix of the type of people that will start using it or use it to a much greater excess will change and as a result the numbers will shift.

I don’t smoke tobacco or pot, drink alcohol, or take illegal drugs however when pot becomes illegal … well you know.

May 15, 2013 at 6:36 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said ….

"If you were the president (God forbid) would you not have a loyal aid provide you with “ plausible deniability” and go straight to the people that will actually performing the desired tasks."

I see. So you DO believe that the President is behind it.


I don’t know but I must believe that because you just posted my very words where I made that claim.

You did just post that didn’t you?

May 15, 2013 at 6:39 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Why would head IRS guy resign over the acts of 2 low level employees?

May 15, 2013 at 6:45 p.m.
klifnotes said...

adding to alprova's comment:

Old boy motor mouth {one of many loud mouths feigning insult and injury on the so-called IRS scandal} Joe Scarborough of *Morning Joe seems to have conveniently forgotten in 2004 he wrote the IRS urging them to tread on the political speech of the NAACP.

according to media matters and other:

In July 2004, NAACP Chairman Julian Bond criticized President Bush in a speech, saying his administration preached racial neutrality and practiced racial division. "They write a new constitution of Iraq and they ignore the constitution at home," said Bond. IRS Commissioner Mark W. Everson alleged that the investigation was undertaken because two unnamed congressional leaders requested it. After two years, the IRS concluded that the remarks did not violate the group's tax-exempt status.

Then there's that benghazi thingy they seem to like the sounding of the word becuase it makes them appear smart not. In reality the ones claiming the most outrage over the attacks can't even find Benghazi on a map if asked.

May 15, 2013 at 6:47 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

Ikeithlu, your postings this morning are works of art. You are spot on with every single point you have offered.

lkeithlu said...

Well, how kind of you to say! I learn an awful lot from you. (and I have a lot to learn)

alprova said...

Clearly, you are much more refined and patient. That is very admirable and I do admire you for that most of all.

I also need to give a shout out to Ms. Anniebelle this morning as well. Her two early morning posts were accurate and informative, for those seeking the truth and interested in facts.


See, that right here shows that we can all get along. Its not difficult if you have the right (?) attitude and viewpoint.

It is so refreshing isn’t it?

May 15, 2013 at 6:51 p.m.
klifnotes said...

PlainTruth said... Why would head IRS guy resign over the acts of 2 low level employees?

B'cuzzzz, although the civilized world no longer bury humans alive or toss them into live volcanos to appease the gods, there are and must always will be offers up of human sacrifices to silence the blood thirsties.

May 15, 2013 at 6:53 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Jt6,

"there are still many cultural and traditional issues that can easily explain logically why they do so."

Name two logical reasons why alcohol and tobacco are legal and marijuana isn't.

"However it will be just as absurdist that in the near future all three will be legal (de jure) but tobacco will be banned (de facto) even though they will all cause much death and harm."

As Ikeithlu said, smoking marijuana is the least harmful of the three.

"Welfare is so pre 2009 and is more trouble than it’s worth."

Is this seriously the best you have?

"Hope they don’t find out that you’re sandbagging and the change to a status that has no work requirement if you're lucky enough to get the full ride."

Have you been drinking Nyquil or something?

"As pot becomes more prevalent the mix of the type of people that will start using it or use it to a much greater excess will change and as a result the numbers will shift."

Around 3.6 million Americans are daily to near daily marijuana users. According to the CDC and the JAMA, Cannabis (marijuana) was the underlying cause of zero deaths in 2009-2010 in the U.S. However, the FDA named marijuana as the cause of death for around 297 people from 1997 to 2005 in the U.S. That's about 35 people per year during that time. Compare that to the 80,000 deaths per year related to alcohol consumption or the 443,000 deaths per year due to smoking. 49,000 of these smoking-related deaths are the result of secondhand smoke exposure.

You tell me which one is more dangerous. Marijuana has a long way to go to catch up to the other two.

May 15, 2013 at 6:55 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Pot used by adults is relatively harmless, studies show. Not so much for adolescents, but that is for a different reason. You can't overdose, it does not cause cancer, your reflexes are not significantly compromised, it is not physically addictive. I am not a user by the way.

May 15, 2013 at 6:59 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Alpo plumb Eddie Haskell-like.

May 15, 2013 at 7:04 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

See, that right here shows that we can all get along. Its not difficult if you have the right (?) attitude and viewpoint.

I give credit where it's due, regardless of what "side" one is on. Sometimes I give credit where it isn't deserved, much to my own embarrassment.

May 15, 2013 at 7:34 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

klifnotes said...

Old boy motor mouth {one of many loud mouths feigning insult and injury on the so-called IRSscandal} Joe Scarborough of *Morning Joe seems to have conveniently forgotten in 2004 he wrote the IRS urging them to tread on the political speech of the NAACP.


Let me ask you a question Mr./Ms klifnotes?

A prominent member of a Republican leaning non-profit arises during the group’s annual meeting just before the 2012 elections and exhorts the groups members to vote against Obama and to work for his defeat. Should the group be investigated by the IRS for undue political activity and possibly loss their non-profit classification?

According to your previous posts you seem to endorse that position.

If that is true then what is your beef with what happened in 2004-06?

May 15, 2013 at 7:39 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Lynne Eldridge, MD

Updated March 22, 2013

The link between smoking tobacco and lung cancer is undeniable, but does smoking marijuana cause lung cancer, too? The short answer -- probably.

In 2006, many of us in medicine were shocked when a review of research to date did not show an increase in lung cancer related to marijuana use. There was even a suggestion that marijuana had a protective effect against lung cancer. More recent studies, in contrast, do appear to link smoking marijuana with lung cancer. One study demonstrated a doubling in lung cancer for male marijuana smokers who also used tobacco. Another study found that long-term use of marijuana increased the risk of lung cancer in young adults (55 and under), with the risk increasing in proportion to the amount of marijuana smoked.

Why the controversy?

Since marijuana is illegal, it is hard to do the controlled studies that have been done with tobacco. Because of this, it helps to look at what we do know about marijuana:

Many of the carcinogens and co-carcinogens present in tobacco smoke are also present in smoke from marijuana.

Marijuana smoking does cause inflammation and cell damage, and it has been associated with pre-cancerous changes in lung tissue.

Marijuana has been shown to cause immune system dysfunction, possibly predisposing individuals to cancer.

Marijuana likely increases the risk of testicular cancer, prostate cancer, cervical cancer, a type of brain tumor, and the risk of leukemia in the offspring of women who use it during pregnancy.


Oh no! And I was looking forward to its legalization.

May 15, 2013 at 7:52 p.m.
Maximus said...

We really another legal way for people to escape reality, relax, and shirk responsibilities. Although many states have already done so, legalizing pot is not a good idea. Of course those that adopt the "pot smoking" lifestyle just like those who have adopted the Obama welfare lifestyle provide less competition for me and my adult children that are both employed by Fortune 500 Companies, doing well, and focused on bright futures For those willing to work hard and take on responsibility there is great opportunity in the United States. Legalized pot will increase traffic fatalities, on the job accidents, absenteeism and insurance rates for all. Legalizing pot, not a good idea.

May 15, 2013 at 7:53 p.m.
klifnotes said...

jt6 said... Let me ask you a question Mr./Ms klifnotes? A prominent member of a Republican leaning non-profit arises during the group’s annual meeting just before the 2012 elections and exhorts the groups members to vote against Obama and to work for his defeat. Should the group be investigated by the IRS for undue political activity and possibly loss their non-profit classification? According to your previous posts you seem to endorse that position. If that is true then what is your beef with what happened in 2004-06?

Actually, noooooo jt6. It's the hypocrisy and feigned indignation coming from the right that would be laughable if it wasn't so pathetic. Even locally, look how some so-called conservative groups claiming to be activists brutally and viciously went after certain individuals in an effort to get their own elected. They even tried to destroy Mayor Berke running for mayor with personal attacks against him and others. They were brutal, nasty even.

May 15, 2013 at 8:08 p.m.
patriot1 said...

Allpoo seez...."Apparently, the GOP is going to take a butt whipping because enough is enough."

How do you think the "registered republicans" will fare?

May 15, 2013 at 8:08 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said ....

Any lies told, if there were any, does not change the fundamental fact that four people died in a diplomatic post without walls that would have been difficult to protect had there been a whole platoon of soldiers surrounding it.


There is this from the investigation:

Ambassador Stevens had his last meeting of the day with a Turkish diplomat and escorted him to the main gate at about 8:30 pm.

(Very odd that the post had a gate but no wall)

About 9:40 pm (local time) large numbers of armed men shouting “ Allah Akbar” descended on the compound from multiple directions. The attackers lobbed grenades over the wall and entered the compound under a barrage of automatic weapons fire and RPGs, backed by truck-mounted artillery and anti-aircraft machine guns.

(That shows how crazy those terrorist can be as they thought they “lobbed grenades over the wall". Mr. Alprova has stated several times over the last few weeks that the post did not have a wall. Thus it had no wall ... O.K.)

May 15, 2013 at 8:11 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

If pot was smoked like tobacco, I would imagine it would produce the risk. Most people do not smoke joints all day.

May 15, 2013 at 8:13 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Lu: I rarely agree with you, but you usually make an attempt at bing rational. Your 6:59 post was just dumb.

May 15, 2013 at 8:50 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Maximus said... "Legalizing pot, not a good idea."

Maximus won't be able to pay the rent if the price of pot goes down! lmao Maybe he can get a job as an Obamacare Organ Harvesting Bounty Hunter.

May 15, 2013 at 8:58 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

If you have issue with part of my post, specify, PT. If you can find where I am incorrect, then prove it.

May 15, 2013 at 9:04 p.m.
alprova said...

Thank you for the correction JT. I was under the impression that the compound in Benghazi was without security walls.

You see, We're about 5,748 miles from there.

That being the case, given that the security walls were indeed breached, does not change the fact that Chris Stevens was warned prior to his arrival in Benghazi with staff on September 11th, of a possible planned attack and that he came in with a full brigade of vehicles, announcing his presence to the terrorists who lay in wait for his arrival.

Chris Stevens could have saved his own life, and that of three of his staff had he heeded those warnings, if he knew that that he had insufficient security in place.

May 15, 2013 at 9:19 p.m.
mosquito said...

"Around 3.6 million Americans are daily to near daily marijuana users. According to the CDC and the JAMA, Cannabis (marijuana) was the underlying cause of zero deaths in 2009-2010 in the U.S. However, the FDA named marijuana as the cause of death for around 297 people from 1997 to 2005 in the U.S. That's about 35 people per year during that time. Compare that to the 80,000 deaths per year related to alcohol consumption or the 443,000 deaths per year due to smoking. 49,000 of these smoking-related deaths are the result of secondhand smoke exposure.

You tell me which one is more dangerous. Marijuana has a long way to go to catch up to the other two."

Easy, are you saying that pot should be legalized or the other two illegal??

May 15, 2013 at 9:21 p.m.
patriot1 said...

nooga....Allpoo says he is a "registered republican" so I was wanting to see if he thought he himself might be a part of that "butt whipping."

May 15, 2013 at 9:32 p.m.
joepulitzer said...

GOOD NITE, AL, DON'T FORGET TO HUG A TREE AND KISS BARRACK'S PICTURE BEFORE SLIDING BETWEEN THOSE SATIN SHEETS.

May 15, 2013 at 9:42 p.m.
alprova said...

Jackie wrote: "Lu: I rarely agree with you, but you usually make an attempt at bing rational. Your 6:59 post was just dumb."

Further proof that you are an ancient example of a human being, who has no experience with which to rely upon to make a rational determination that what Ikeithlu wrote is 100% correct in all respects.

Although my personal use ended about 20 years ago, I have personally experienced the pleasure that marijuana provides. It is the only drug that I would ever consider using as it is readied for use in an unaltered state, and earth-grown. The Good Lord saw fit to provide it to us for some reason.

Mind you, I only endorse it's use when one is not going to drive or to work on any job whatsoever. There is a time and a place for everything.

As Ikeithlu offered, scientific studies of marijuana used by adults has proven to be relatively harmless if used in moderation.

Adolescent use studies have only revealed a minimal amount of brain damage, in that repetitive use impaired brain development to its full potential.

No one has ever over-dosed on marijuana. No link has been found between marijuana and cancer. Although I would never get high and drive, studies have proven that human reflexes are quite up to par to operate a motor vehicle.

When I drove while high, I found that I endured a certain amount of paranoia, afraid that a cop was behind me. No problems when I smoked it in my home.

Marijuana is not physically addictive. I smoked it on occasion and never once felt any longings to smoke some more, EVER, as I did with cigarettes.

Marijuana has many medicinal purposes. It helps many see better who are experiencing glaucoma. It alleviates instances of horrible nausea that people going through chemotherapy experience routinely.

I am a former user of marijuana and if it were legalized, I am proud to state that I would be very happy to imbibe a little pot from time to time.

May 15, 2013 at 9:48 p.m.
Easy123 said...

mosquito,

"Easy, are you saying that pot should be legalized or the other two illegal??"

I'm saying it doesn't make logical sense for marijuana to be illegal and the other two to be legal. Either ban all three or legalize all three.

There is less of a health risk in smoking marijuana than drinking alcohol or smoking, dipping, chewing tobacco. What other reason is there for making marijuana illegal?

May 15, 2013 at 9:51 p.m.
alprova said...

joepulitzer wrote: "GOOD NITE, AL, DON'T FORGET TO HUG A TREE AND KISS BARRACK'S PICTURE BEFORE SLIDING BETWEEN THOSE SATIN SHEETS."

I love trees for sure. I have planted many around my home. My favorite one is a 16 year-old weeping willow.

I only kiss my wife.

I have never slept, nor claim to have slept between satin sheets.

I prefer 100% cotton sheets, thank you very much.

May 15, 2013 at 9:54 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

We have a curious cultural aversion to pot, harking back to the "evil" weed days when propaganda films linked it to everything from insanity to homosexuality. I have not used, mostly because I was drug tested for my job (fed rules; bus license) Seems silly-alcohol has done WAY more damage in my family as has tobacco-all perfectly legal. Adolescents shouldn't use any mind altering substance because they can become emotionally addicted. That's a rather generalized statement but it would take too long to explain on this forum.

May 15, 2013 at 9:56 p.m.
mosquito said...

Agreed, however do you apply the same logic to assault weapons? Granted not exactly the same argument, but many would like to see assault style weapons go away and leave handguns legal even though the number of deaths would suggest the opposite action.

And you didn't answer the original question?

May 15, 2013 at 9:57 p.m.
mosquito said...

Nooga, I am only in my forties so I don't know what you went thru but wasn't Vietnam escalated greatly under a Democratic administration?

May 15, 2013 at 10:12 p.m.
Easy123 said...

mosquito,

"however do you apply the same logic to assault weapons?"

It's hard to have a logical opinion on any gun given the 2nd Amendment.

"but many would like to see assault style weapons go away and leave handguns legal even though the number of deaths would suggest the opposite action."

Let's just let everyone have a musket. I'm sure the Founding Fathers would approve.

"And you didn't answer the original question?"

I think marijuana should be legalized. Tax it and sell it like cigarettes. That means more revenue in and less taxpayer dollars going to imprison petty criminals for having 2 ounces of marijuana on their person.

May 15, 2013 at 10:48 p.m.
alprova said...

Mosquito, Lyndon B. Johnson made many political enemies of southern Democrats while he was President. He lauded civil rights. He upped the ante in Vietnam.

The Democrat Party of today resembles nothing that it was in the early sixties and in fact several prominent Democrats hopped on over to the Republican Party, largely influencing it to morph into what it stands for today.

By today's standards of political distinction, Johnson would be considered a DINO (Democrat In Name Only)

May 15, 2013 at 10:52 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Ergo, don't blame the Dems, blame the republicans. You're such a dolt, Alpo. But I must compliment your brevity on that last post.

May 15, 2013 at 11:06 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Plain_Jack_Dennis,

I must compliment you on the lack of substance in every single one of your posts. Truly a riveting collection of nothing.

May 15, 2013 at 11:09 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Easy, If it wasn't for Wiki, you would be mute.

May 15, 2013 at 11:15 p.m.
mosquito said...

Al, while I appreciate the honesty on your part i have no use for either party as they are both corrupt. In my opinion......I think we all have agreed at one time or another on this whether we admit it or not. I personally am in favor of doing away with party altogether and just let ideas rule the day.

Easy, I agree with you. I can sleep well tonite.

And as for the original topic of this toon, the TSA needs to be DOA..

May 15, 2013 at 11:16 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Tough week for team Obama...I wonder how much more ammo Uncle Janet purchased?

May 15, 2013 at 11:20 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Plain_Jack_Dennis,

"Easy, If it wasn't for Wiki, you would be mute."

Truly ironic coming from the person with a posting history consisting of excerpts of articles with a 1-2 sentence commentary and/or trolling remarks on three different screen names.

Jack_Dennis and Rebus ARE mute. YOU are mute. It'll always be the same for you no matter what your "handle" is. You'll still resent the truth, you'll still be ignorant, and you'll still have a perpetual chapped ass from me calling you out.

I wonder how long it will take for PlainTruth to make his exit and your new alias to come on the scene?

May 15, 2013 at 11:29 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

nooga, does he keep it on your front porch next to the washing machine?

May 15, 2013 at 11:37 p.m.
carlB said...

alprova, I also see the lack of judgment and the being too naive on going into a country without first coordinating the proper security or stay out.
The trouble with the "hard line" enemies of President Obama in their objectives to cause his failure through the legislative process has not worked for them nor has their continued lying and misinformation to turn the voters against Obama nor haS their obstruction of the recovery of the 2007 deep recession has not caused another great depression that they have been trying very hard to cause. To put it in the "plain truth" the"Republicans" have not tried to "fix" or "help fix" anything since President Obama was sworn in. Even when they did not destroy the President during his first term, they certainly did not turn the voters against the President enough to get them to vote for Romney and Ryan.

Primarily and Exclusively are two important words involved with the IRS situation

May 15, 2013 at 11:41 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Hey Easy. You called ME out? Are you kidding? I've got your number..you're phony as an implant. You don't possess the necessities to call me out, son.

May 15, 2013 at 11:41 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

nooga said...

All of you pro war, pro gun, pro God, kill em all let God sort em out have never waded through a swamp in South Vietnam just wondering is this the day I'm going to get blown all to hell like my buddie did yesterday. Twenty of us graduated in the same class and went, 6 came back alive. There is a monument at my high school to the ones who didn't make it back. Nothing but dumb kids who did as they were commanded to do.


I will give you the benefit of the doubt that what you post is true although I have met several that thumped their chest like that only to be outed as fakes. Whatever; realistically your experiences would only qualify you to speak on the everyday travails of the foot soldier which are definitely not without great worth. However it wouldn’t be out of bounds to say that your experiences do not necessarily qualify you to speak on the military and political command decisions above your pay grade any more than those that were not present but have study that conflict.


How many of you constitutional experts ever did anything to defend this country other than to run your mouth about things you know little of, other than what Rush, Sean, or some other scrotum sack told you to believe.


You speak as if you are the single remaining combat veteran from that conflict but you are not. That your service somehow trumps the efforts of all others that have served in the best way they could to defend this country and improve its lot.


President Bush stood in front of the entire world on an aircraft carrier and declared mission accomplished. For that statement alone he should have been impeached, his boss Dick Cheney declared about three weeks in they were in the last throws of the battle. A month latter he said we've turned the corner, damn long block evidently, seems we're still on it.


That was a silly P.R. blunder but what it represented was true in that Iraq’s military was defeated and the country occupied in record time. The fact that the post military combat phase was bungled badly does nothing to take away from the impressive victory our military forces delivered. People like you think you are denigrating Bush when you mock “Mission Accomplished” but you are actually callously discarding the sacrifice and accompaniment of our military members who were very proud of their service.

May 15, 2013 at 11:42 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

nooga saw Platoon. twice

May 15, 2013 at 11:46 p.m.
carlB said...

alprova, I also see the lack of judgment and the being too naive on going into a country without first coordinating the proper security or stay out.
The trouble with the "hard line" enemies of President Obama in their objectives to cause his failure through the legislative process has not worked for them nor has their continued lying and misinformation to turn the voters against Obama and their obstruction of the recovery of the 2007 deep recession has not caused another great depression that they have been trying very hard to cause. To put it in the "plain truth" the"Republicans" have not tried to "fix" or "help fix" anything since President Obama was sworn in. Even when they did not destroy the President during his first term, they certainly did not turn the voters against the President enough to get them to vote for Romney and Ryan.

Primarily and Exclusively are two important words involved with the IRS situation

May 15, 2013 at 11:50 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Plain_Jack_Dennis,

"Hey Easy. You called ME out? Are you kidding?"

I called YOU out. No, I'm not kidding.

"I've got your number."

You certainly do not, but I damn sure have yours, coffin dodger.

"you're phony as an implant."

That coming from the man that has changed his screen name twice? You're as phony as, well, Jack_Dennis. Or maybe Rebus? "PlainPhony" sounds like winner for your next alias!

"You don't possess the necessities to call me out, son."

Keep telling yourself that, old timer. At this point, I'm sure your ego needs some self-boosting.

May 16, 2013 at 12:15 a.m.
facyspacy said...

Ha, aprova has a business?!.... If he spent half his time in his business at he does sputtering ignorant responses in endless paragraphs about mindless cartoons all day long that a 3 year old could draw.... Then he'd be a thousandaire

May 17, 2013 at 10:09 a.m.
chet123 said...

I SEE THE TEA-PARTY(WHO IS REALLY THE REPUBLICAN PARTY) IS AT IT AGAIN.....THROWING ROCKS FROM A GLASS HOUSE ....HA HA HA HA HA HA!

May 17, 2013 at 11:27 a.m.
chet123 said...

GUESS THEY THINK BLACK PEOPLE WILL FEEL SORRY FOR THEM HA HA HA HA !

May 17, 2013 at 11:29 a.m.
chet123 said...

IT AMAZING HOW REPUBLICAN RUN LIKE A SCARED CAT....WHEN THERES STRONG PUSH BACK FROM OPPOSING VEIW ....REALLY AMAZING!!!!

THEY ARE LOST WITHOUT TALKING POINTS.....

I GUESS THEY ARE ALL TUNING IN TO FOX AND RUSH LIMBAUGH FOR TALKING POINTS...HA HA HA HA ....WHAT EGG-HEADS!

May 17, 2013 at 3:55 p.m.
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