published Saturday, May 18th, 2013

The Critic

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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nucanuck said...

When the party out of power wants to undermine the party in power, we all lose. Things have gotten so mean and hateful that we cannot even fill vacant positions requiring Senate confirmation. Reasonable legislation favored by large majorities cannot be enacted. The well is poisoned.

We have become ungovernable and adrift with the different factions unwilling to seek common ground. We can all see the problem, but the solutions remain aloof. Do we have to crash and burn because we are so divided or is there hope?

May 18, 2013 at 12:38 a.m.
fairmon said...

Obama can't be drunk on something he doesn't have. It is amazing how two different people can read the same information and reach two totally different conclusions. The facts are not needed for some to jump to a conclusion of their liking. The IRS issue is not about the Tea group or others, it is the blatant abuse of power without checks and balances. $100,000 in bonuses over a three year period in addition to a $177,000 annual salary for the person allowing the conduct is a little heavy for this tax payer. The same woman is now in charge of building an organization of several thousand to over see the affordable health care act which prompts the question why is the IRS involved in the health care program? Is it because of their far reaching and unchecked power? Power is not what Obama is drunk on.

May 18, 2013 at 12:43 a.m.
fairmon said...

nucanuck said... Things have gotten so mean and hateful that we cannot even fill vacant positions requiring Senate confirmation. Reasonable legislation favored by large majorities cannot be enacted. The well is poisoned. We have become ungovernable and adrift with the different factions unwilling to seek common ground. We can all see the problem, but the solutions remain aloof. Do we have to crash and burn because we are so divided or is there hope?

nucanuck, It may be the best situation to have. The economy is slowly improving, the markets are reaching record level highs, gas is cheaper, tax revenues are at unexpected higher levels, deficits are lower. Keep them at a stalemate or grid locked and no telling how much better off we will be. If we can't reduce the size of the government the next best thing is a government that can do nothing and is vigilant in pointing out and making public each others dirty laundry.

May 18, 2013 at 12:51 a.m.
carlB said...

nucanuck, I agree, Not only are the elected Republican "officials" being mean AND BIASED in trying to divide the voters with their lying and misinformation strategies, apparently the more lies that ARE told against the President the more a "certain group of people want. This gives the Republicana just enough "fodder" to keep presenting their declared objectives even if the voters have already told them that their strategies are wrong.

May 18, 2013 at 1:25 a.m.

The President simply resents the fact that there is more than one branch of government, more than one political party, and media outlets that dare to challenge his arrogance, deceitfulness, and incompetence. The President’s power must be checked. That’s the way democracy rolls.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4puS-yjwsiE

May 18, 2013 at 1:35 a.m.
carlB said...

fairmon, There is something that can be done. You sound like a loser and are trying to convince us that this Republic has to "hit rock bottom" before we go into another greart depression? I for one an not buying into that BS.

May 18, 2013 at 1:43 a.m.
carlB said...

whats_wrong_with_the_world said... The President’s power must be checked

REPLY: So, what you are trying to project is that all of the unfinished problems started when President Obama get elected? It is Not a Perfect World; We can continue to Make it BETTER: The VOTER's in the 2014 and the 2016 Elections will be the "Decider's" The conditions of this Republic will never be perfect, satisfying everybody and it is for sure our elected leaders will never be "perfect" for pleasing everybody. It is very important for the voters to be aware that the elections of 2014 can be the time when the masses of the voters have the choice of sending their message and in determining, whether they want to get back the proper "balance" of this Republic which should be "for the people and by the people." If the people want to really to be honest, the 2014 and the 2016 Elections are the time for ALL of the people to consider their need to vote for the Democratic Candidates after getting informed of the facts instead being over loaded and over exposed with the misleading lies and misinformation being put out by the opponents of this administration

May 18, 2013 at 2 a.m.
alprova said...

It's amazing to me that there are so many otherwise normal people, who are convinced that a man who was virtually unknown to Americans a decade ago, has wielded all this alleged power to ruin what they have determined to be a great nation.

There are actually people holding the belief that if Obama is not impeached, that he will crown himself King and be the last elected President. I actually heard a man say that today.

In all seriousness, I cannot think of one thing that President Obama has done that could begin to be considered an act that could be construed as grabbing power.

I'd love to read some SERIOUS, LOGICAL, and VALID examples, if anyone has anything to offer.

Don't even start with something about the recent scandals, as there is not a shred of evidence that the President was involved with, had knowledge of, or is remotely responsible for any of them, and the Republican strategy to pin them on his lapel have fallen flat at every turn.

What is all this "power" that President Obama has seized that has so many people fearful that our nation is becoming one that is poised to transform into something akin to tyranny?

May 18, 2013 at 2:24 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Alpo: You have zero credibility. You have been duped in more ways than one. And you got a real nasty streak in you.

May 18, 2013 at 2:49 a.m.
nucanuck said...

fairmon,

Would the economy continue to recover without the $1 Trillion plus borrowed stimulus and artificially manipulated low interest rates? I think not. We are on a sugar high. Can the Fed continue these same policies into the indefinite future without repercussions?

We are currently in suspended animation, all afraid to exhale. Some of the numbers are OK, but we know that the underpinnings are all debt pylons. Stop QE and we are in the drink. Neither party has an answer that we want to hear. We want a fix without pain...sometimes called a miracle.

Eventually we are going to have to make reforms to the financial system and then work through a difficult adjustment period. If there is another way, I don't see it. We took decades making this mess (political and financial) and we won't reverse that easily or quickly, IMO.

Obama is not the main problem, but neither does he seem to be part of the solution.

May 18, 2013 at 2:51 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

FOX News Chairman and CEO Roger Ailes will be honored with the $250,000 Bradley Prize for being a "visionary of American journalism" on June 12 at the John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts in Washington, D.C. *well deserved*

May 18, 2013 at 2:59 a.m.
Easy123 said...

They should change the name of the award to the Hellen Keller Prize "for being a visionary of American journalism" if Roger Ailes can win it. Then it would be well deserved.

The Bradley Foundation is just another gear in the WingNut propaganda machine.

May 18, 2013 at 3:41 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

A comment from Easy the Liar.

May 18, 2013 at 4:08 a.m.
Easy123 said...

A comment from the poster formerly known as Jack_Dennis a.k.a Rebus the Bankrupt.

LMFAO! You're the liar, Plain_Jack.

And you never answered my question. Did you recover from filing Chapter 13 bankruptcy? Kind of ironic for someone that demonizes the government so much and accuses others of "feeding at the public trough", don't you think? You benefit tremendously from the federal government.

I guess I was right about your psychological projections all along.

May 18, 2013 at 4:19 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Produce the proof or get a lawyer, punk.

May 18, 2013 at 4:43 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Do you really want me to do that, punk? Are you sure that you want me to put your personal information on this website, punk?

I was trying to be courteous, but if you really want me to divulge your personal information, I'll be happy to oblige, punk

May 18, 2013 at 5:02 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Post away, liar. But some other guy is gonna be real pissed at you. You moron.

May 18, 2013 at 5:08 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Plain_Jack,

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2012/feb/10/chattanooga-area-bankruptcy-filings/?print

Your reaction is very telling, moron. People have said many things about you, but this has obviously hit a nerve. I have no doubt that you'll continue to deny it, but your reaction alone is proof enough that the claims against you are true.

Shall I keep going?

May 18, 2013 at 5:14 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Easy Dupe....bwahahaha...I haven't lived in the area in over 30 years. But I'm pleased that you and your BFF alpo took such an interest..you schmuck.

May 18, 2013 at 5:30 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Plain_Jack,

I never said you did, you schmuck. However, your former places of residence in Athens and Decatur are closer to Chattanooga than where you currently reside. How's the weather out there? Have you partaken in the newly legal marijuana yet?

Bwahahaha! I'm pleased that your responses continue to expose the truth you're so desperately trying to hide.

May 18, 2013 at 5:39 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

you're all out of sync on this one, sonny.Never lived in or near Athens or Decatur. Did spend 1 winter skiing in CO back in the day. You've duped yourself, butt-breath.

May 18, 2013 at 5:49 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Plain_Jack,

You're not duping anyone.

LMFAO! Love watching you squirm!

You're up a little late, aren't you, Jackie? This must be really bothering you.

May 18, 2013 at 5:51 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

You're the one obsessed, liar.

May 18, 2013 at 6 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Plain_Jack,

You're the one that asked for the proof, liar. And can't seem to let it go, liar. Even staying up way past your curfew to make sure you're right there to refute anything I say about this particular claim.

Very telling, liar. It seems as though YOU are obsessed.

May 18, 2013 at 6:03 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Give it a rest, kid. You and your butt boy gas-bag Alpo both owe me an apology. Stop stalking people (incorrectly)....Go back to E-Harmony.Com where you belong.

May 18, 2013 at 6:13 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Yes, I think you’ve described the problem well, Clay Bennett.

Meanwhile. . . like most families of alcoholics. . . America suffers from neglect.

May 18, 2013 at 6:15 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Plain_Jack,

You're the one that owes apologies. You're the biggest lying hypocrite here, Mr. Chapter 13.

Go back to feeding at the public trough where you belong and fade into oblivion with your former aliases Jack_Dennis and Rebus.

Still waiting on you to get that admission over with. LMFAO!

May 18, 2013 at 6:18 a.m.
hambone said...

Speaking of being drunk, has anyone noticed that Andrew is missing this morning?

May 18, 2013 at 6:25 a.m.
anniebelle said...

This is what happens when you let the pundits do your 'thinking' for you. Another Obama ‘Scandal’? Nope… GOP Rep Claims Responsibility For AP Surveillance.

Just when you thought another event was about to be added to the growing list of Obama ‘scandals’ – what with the Benghazi ‘cover-up’ (debunked by a single e-mail), the IRS surveillance of Tea Party-supporting groups (which flame-throwers like Allen West attempted to conflate into ‘conspiracies’ with no success), and the continuing heat on the military for its policies on sexual abuse – the Department of Justice investigation of Associated Press telephone records, widely expected to be another partisan blowtorch, has just been defended by a Republican congressman who claims it was the Republicans themselves who demanded the investigation last year.

Representative Trey Gowdy (R-SC) spoke to Fox News’ Greta Van Susteren about the issue, one libertarians, journalists, and freedom of information advocates all believe demands review and reform, and instead of using it to bludgeon the administration for overstepping (which most of his party, the media, and even the President’s own party are doing), he instead claimed it was the natural evolution of a GOP demand for a probe. Think back a year ago. We had the attorney general and other Department of Justice employees, and we grilled them over national security leaks. And here they are doing what we asked them to do, investigate the leak.

May 18, 2013 at 7:09 a.m.
degage said...

Annie, So you do watch TV or did you just cut and paste that post from a liberal blog.

May 18, 2013 at 7:21 a.m.

Obama wasn't unknown. The left wing media did there best to downplay and withhold information in 2008. To anyone who was informed he turned out to be exactly what we thought he was, an anti-American, a statist, and someone who craps on the Constitution. He's a lazy guy who believes he's entitled to be where he is, and he's angry.

It's pretty clear, crystal clear, that he's used the IRS as a weapon. To deny that is just stupid.

May 18, 2013 at 7:45 a.m.
dude_abides said...

Can't wait to see the next group of clowns the GOP push to the top of their "Presidential Pile." I wish they would take requests from the public. LOL Bibles vs. Swastikas! Skinheads vs. combovers! Perhaps two conservative African Americans trying to out-self-hate each other! Good ole' boy Bobby Jindaal(sp?)! Is it too early to "send them in?"

May 18, 2013 at 7:47 a.m.
tifosi said...

Clay nailed it! The GOP will sober up one day, but they will be a minority in D.C.

May 18, 2013 at 8 a.m.

Alprova is convinced that not one iota of evidence has ever surfaced that the custodial staff has ever found anything other than gold bricks in the White House facilities after the KOTUS graces their doors with his departure. Not one ounce or shred of evidence has ever even been hinted at to convince him otherwise. This poor man (the KOTUS) has been harassed, abused, and tortured to an extent hitherto unrealized in all of human history. He could have absolutely and deservingly continued to walk on clouds of glory if he had so chosen, but instead he humbled himself and subjected his rightful authority to the approval of his subjects, who anointed him to a status beyond all criticism or questioning. No one can even remotely suggest that this is anything other than an absolutely factual state of affairs.

This is the dead-level, honest to goodness truth as Alprova sees it, and, contrary to the blasphemy of congressional committees and, unbelievably, reporters on whose toes the president has now allegedly stepped, he will never in a million years find credible any admission of oopsies by the KOTUS staff, or even from his own blessed lips. Were such ”confessions of wrongdoing”ever to come to pass and reported on in articles either read or left unread by Alprova, it would absolutely, positively be the horrible result of diabolical Republican minions (with whose legions Alprova once erroneously identified himself) somehow inserting such a ridiculous, illegitimate notion into his glorious head.

This is the way citizens should unequivocally exalt their KOTUS and anything else - anything whatsoever – is nothing other than infinite hate for his eternally blessed soul. Amen.

May 18, 2013 at 8:03 a.m.

For anyone to suggest that there is a shortage of such intoxicants on either side of the aisle is in a state of delusion.

May 18, 2013 at 8:05 a.m.
fairmon said...

carlB said... fairmon, There is something that can be done. You sound like a loser and are trying to convince us that this Republic has to "hit rock bottom" before we go into another greart depression? I for one an not buying into that BS.

carlB you have my comment confused with that of nucanuck. I like things just they way they are. Only those items truly critical are supported by those in congress from the two parties with enough sense to get in out of the rain.

Note the progress being made without their interference and intervention. Unemployment going down, tax revenue going up, deficits going down, stock markets repeatedly hitting record highs. The IRS issue may be the catalyst that brings bold and sweeping changes to the tax codes since both parties appear to agree the current situation is not good. The truth is those in congress and those in the administration don't know who is doing what or who is spending money they should not spend. It is amazing how many times they have said I didn't know or I don't know when questioned about some unnecessary spending or misbehavior. Grid lock is good and it is good that they keep airing the dirty laundry of the other party. Right now the republicans are on offense but it won't be long until they are on defense for something and the democrats are on offense.

May 18, 2013 at 8:25 a.m.
anniebelle said...

No, degage, I copied it from Faux news website. Unlike you, I can read and don't have my information spoon fed to me from right-wing potties.

May 18, 2013 at 8:35 a.m.
jesse said...

Fairmon you continue to show critical thinking traits!!

Just about the only one on here that does!

May 18, 2013 at 8:47 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Fairmon claims: “The facts are not needed for some to jump to a conclusion of their liking. The IRS issue is not about the Tea group or others, it is the blatant abuse of power without checks and balances.”

No, facts are always needed to perform an accurate analysis, Fairmon. Indeed, you can’t even begin to resolve a problem without the facts. Of course, to resolve problems one needs to have the desire and must put down the bottle so you can honestly examine the facts, which our current group of power hungry addicts refuses to do.

Yes, in this case, we know it’s the job of the IRS to collect taxes, but we also know that it’s not an easy task when you have a group of self-serving politicians playing a game of political patty cake with the FEC guidelines and what Forbes calls a damned-if-they-do-damned-if-they-don’t IRS code like the 501 (c) 4. http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterjreilly/2013/05/18/irs-and-501c4-damned-if-they-do-damned-if-they-dont/

So why doesn’t the FEC clarify campaign guidelines for the IRS - after all, it is their job? Needless to say, it’s because the FEC is one more commission that continues to be paralyzed by partisan politics. In more than four years in office, President Obama has made just one FEC nomination only to withdraw the name after Senate opposition. Meanwhile, one by one, commissioners, all named by George W. Bush, have timed out but stayed in their jobs.

"To say the FEC is broken is a parody of understatement. The agency’s structure—three Democratic commissioners and three Republicans, serving single six-year terms—means it often deadlocks along party lines. That’s what happened when it tried to update its own regulations in the aftermath of the 2010 Supreme Court decision in Citizens United, the case that helped open the door to unlimited political spending. The commission’s three Democrats wanted to consider tightening disclosure requirements; the Republicans insisted on reviewing only those rules that conflicted with the court’s ruling. That put the commissioners on the sidelines when spending by independent groups tripled to $1 billion in 2012, up from $300 million in 2008, according to the Center for Responsive Politics, a research group that tracks campaign spending.

A decade ago, commissioners crossed party lines to impose penalties on campaigns and groups they found to have violated the law. Since then, the partisanship has hardened. Last year the commission couldn’t muster four votes to act against American Crossroads, a super PAC aligned with Rove, for airing footage from a candidate’s commercial in its own ads supporting that same candidate, which FEC investigators said was an improper in-kind donation of $450,000."

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-05-02/will-the-federal-election-commission-ever-work-again#p1

May 18, 2013 at 9:10 a.m.
klifnotes said...

anniebelle said... This is what happens when you let the pundits do your 'thinking' for you. Another Obama ‘Scandal’? Nope… GOP Rep Claims Responsibility For AP Surveillance

THANKS ANNIEBELLE. I just came across that bit of info too. That it was the Republicans who demanded that action be taken to determine where the leaks were coming from. Now they don't like the DOJ doing it's job.

The GOP just wanted something else to blame on the president. They didn't expect the DOJ to go after AP records. Which means, their own are likely the ones behind the crime and leaking the info, and they know it?

May 18, 2013 at 9:26 a.m.
alprova said...

zableedofisterix wrote: "Obama wasn't unknown."

Pay attention. TEN YEARS ago, outside of the southside of Chicago, Barack Obama was unknown to the rest of the UNited States.

"The left wing media did there best to downplay and withhold information in 2008."

That's crap served in a chef salad.

"To anyone who was informed he turned out to be exactly what we thought he was, an anti-American, a statist, and someone who craps on the Constitution."

Oh...so you consider yourself informed?

"He's a lazy guy who believes he's entitled to be where he is, and he's angry."

Well Sir, I do remind you that he is where he is because the majority of the people in this nation voted for him.

What's he got to be angry about?

"It's pretty clear, crystal clear, that he's used the IRS as a weapon. To deny that is just stupid."

Watch and see this "scandal" go down in flames too. All the false outrage in the world will not pin it on the President.

May 18, 2013 at 9:27 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

They are all drunk on power in Washington. That is what happens when you allow so much power concentrated in on place.

Dugh!

Obama just happens to be one of those guys who is arrogant and narcissistic enough to be truly dangerous when put into such a powerful role as president of the United States. The president needs a certain level of humility and respect for the rights of citizens which Obama simply does not have.

May 18, 2013 at 9:35 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

I think no one in DC has respect for citizens. The GOP is just as guilty.

May 18, 2013 at 9:36 a.m.
patriot1 said...

This toon is exactly how the left has tried to depict their opponents for decades to avoid dialogue. Going back to Eisenhower, who according to the left was a bumbling idiot that stayed on the golf course all the time. And then there was Nixon and oh yes, Ford who stumbled around due to his licks from football no doubt. Then Reagan who was just too old or whatever and later the dumb Bushes. They are just too dumb and stupid to engage in anything constructive with us enlightened liberals, right Bennett?

May 18, 2013 at 9:36 a.m.
alprova said...

BRP, I have a very serious question for you.

What rights has Barack Obama taken from you since he has been President that you did not have before he arrived on the scene?

May 18, 2013 at 9:37 a.m.
fairmon said...

ML.... You apparently agree with the opinions expressed in the Forbes article and consider the opinions expressed therein as facts. The root cause of the IRS issue is the convoluted tax code which could and should be extremely simple. However, as Charlie Rangle said in an interview "congress must retain the ability to manipulate the tax system". I take that to mean meaningful simplification is not likely. The IRS solution during the hearings is more agents are needed. I don't personally think there should be any exceptions to taxes including religious organizations. However, the behavior of some maverick agents and several years of delay, extensive inappropriate questions without a yes or no decision is not defendable. The hours and cost of filing and complying with the complex system is mind boggling and costly to every American.

May 18, 2013 at 9:38 a.m.
klifnotes said...

What's not being said:

"The scandal mongers have said that the IRS went too far in pressing Tea Party groups for information when applying for federal non-profit tax status. Lost in this fine print is a critical fact. As Bloomberg.com reported, IRS staffers sent the same questionaire to Democratic groups suspected of not being charities but political as well. So it’s not just an "attack" on Republicans."

May 18, 2013 at 9:40 a.m.
fairmon said...

In 2010, Charlie Rangel was stripped of his chairmanship of the Ways and Means Committee amid an investigation into a corporate-funded trip to the Caribbean. Later that year, the House of Representatives formally censured him after he was convicted of 11 counts of violating House ethics rules. Among the violations: failure to pay taxes on rental income from his villa in the Dominican Republic and failing to disclose over $600,000 in assets on a financial disclosure report.

He still sits on the ways and means committee. His response was it is wrong to abuse the tax system. He suggested that conservative groups filing for tax-exempt status as social welfare groups actually do deserve government scrutiny, but that government employees also did a poor job of applying the law.

He is no longer the W&M chairman but still on the committee. So much for congress policing their own. This is only one example of both parties being very lenient with their own.

May 18, 2013 at 9:51 a.m.
klifnotes said...

from alternet org/ by S. Rosenfeld:

excerpt:

(4.) Charities are not political front groups. The question of who turned charities into political front groups has barely been discussed. The answer, of course, is the same as it always has been: election lawyers and campaign consultants who look for loopholes in the law so clients can run for office using any tactic with little or no accountability.

(5.) The IRS’s top GOP critics were elected this way. Pennsylvania Republican Sen. Pat Toomey might be the GOP frontman on federal gun controls, but on this issue he has compared the IRS scrutiny to President Richard Nixon’s infamous enemies list. Of course, two political non-profits, Rove’s Crossroads GPS and the Republican Jewish Coalition spent $17.6 million on his behalf by the time Election Day rolled around last fall. He’s hardly the only member of Congress whose rise to power was helped by political front groups masquerading as tax-exempt charities.

One of the unwritten but enduring Washington rules is that both political parties will not tinker with the tactics that helped them gain power—because they mastered the system to get elected. But that is not even the biggest GOP hypocrisy surrounding this "scandal."

(6.) Lies are so big they hide in plain sight. The party known for voter suppression and intimidation now feels targeted? The spectacle of Republicans protesting that its groups were targeted by the IRS, when the only business of some of these groups was to lead the GOP’s 2012 voter suppression efforts, is just unbelievable. The GOP has spent years trying to discourage and suppress voting blocks that it perceives will back Democrats, such as black and brown voters, and students. Its entire "voter fraud" canard is based on policing the polls in myriad ways targeting millions of voters.

www.alternet.org: 6 Key Takeaways From the Stupidity and Reality of IRS 'Scandal'

May 18, 2013 at 10:16 a.m.
limric said...

Great cartoon today Mr. Bennett.

While depicting the drunken GOP’s drink(s) of choice and their hypocrisy certainly is valid, what they are slurring is worth more than cursory dismissal.

Without venturing too deep into the Sean Hannity landfill, the spying on reporters, secret wars and possible IRS politicization made me pause - and wonder. Could Obama be racing Richard Nixon on his home race track? Few here are old enough to remember that no politician, NONE, could match ‘Tricky Dick’ for obsession with leaks, secret wars or his creation of enemies’ lists. Or could they?

Let’s consider the evidence so far.

Leaks & Secrets:

So far, Obama’s penchant for secrecy has allowed only snippets of his deadly (extralegal?) policies to be revealed. On the other hand, the fervor for tracking down leaked information, Richard Nixon was legend. He organized secret break-ins by created his own ‘special investigations unit’, a secret group of top aides to combat the leaking. They became known as ‘The Plumbers’. That came with the arrest of burglars at the Watergate offices in Washington. I think we all know how that story ended.

Obama’s record is a work in progress, but is showing great potential. Not only does he punish leakers with zeal, but also targets legitimate whistleblowers to a greater extent than any President that I can remember. One glaring example being John Kiriakou (told reporters about waterboarding techniques); and another is the effort to determine who leaked classified information to the Press about terrorist plots in Yemen by having the DOJ dig through the phone records of the AP.

As the Obama administration’s actions are still largely hidden, it’s hard to top Nixon. So I give this round to the Dick.

Cont.

May 18, 2013 at 10:32 a.m.

“IRS Officials In Washington Were Involved In Targeting Of Conservative Groups” by Juliet Eilperin and Zachary A. Goldfarb (Washington Post, May 13)

“Internal Revenue Service officials in Washington and at least two other offices were involved with investigating conservative groups seeking tax-exempt status, making clear that the effort reached well beyond the branch in Cincinnati that was initially blamed, according to documents obtained by The Washington Post.

“IRS officials at the agency’s Washington headquarters sent queries to conservative groups asking about their donors and other aspects of their operations, while officials in the El Monte and Laguna Niguel offices in California sent similar questionnaires to tea-party-affiliated groups, the documents show.

“IRS employees in Cincinnati told conservatives seeking the status of “social welfare” groups that a task force in Washington was overseeing their applications, according to interviews with the activists.

“Lois G. Lerner, who oversees tax-exempt groups for the IRS, told reporters Friday that the “absolutely inappropriate” actions were undertaken by “front-line people” working in Cincinnati to target groups with “tea party,” “patriot” or “9/12” in their names.

“In one instance, however, Ron Bell, an IRS employee, informed a lawyer representing a conservative group focused on voter fraud that the application was under review in Washington. On several other occasions, IRS officials in Washington and California sent conservative groups detailed questionnaires about their voter outreach and other activities, according to the documents.

“For the IRS to say it was some low-level group in Cincinnati is simply false,” said Cleta Mitchell, a partner in the law firm Foley & Lardner who sought to communicate with IRS headquarters about the delay in granting tax-exempt status to True the Vote.

“Moreover, details of the IRS’s efforts to target conservative groups reached the highest levels of the agency in May 2012, far earlier than has been disclosed, according to Republican congressional aides briefed by the IRS and the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration ­(TIGTA) on the details of their reviews.”

May 18, 2013 at 10:33 a.m.
limric said...

Secret Wars:

Nixon ,and Kissinger, bombed nations on the down low. ‘Operation Menu’ in Cambodia and Laos is hard to beat. Three million tons of bombs, hundreds of thousands killed, and the entire thing was doctored as something happening only inside Vietnam. Pretty impressive; and I’m not even including his forays into South America.

However, the Obama team is rising fast to the challenge. The drone campaign, thousands of victims, (many of which were civilians) is just the beginning. Jeremy Scahill said in his book ‘Dirty Wars: The World is a Battlefield’, ”Pretty much anywhere humans can be tracked, targeted and killed in combat zones the Obama team has secret assassination squads at work.” With these policies now cemented as national policy and plans to institutionalize the never ending ‘Global War on Terror’, Obama has shown a more methodical approach to institutionalized bloodshed & secret warfare.

I call this round (but just by a hair) for Obama.

Cont.

May 18, 2013 at 10:33 a.m.
jesse said...

When you read thru all these posts and take into consideration all the opinions on here what strikes me is HOW can their still be true Believers" of whatever slant?How can you live thru the last 70 years and STILL believe anybody in D.C. or anywhere in govmt. for that matter has your interests at heart! Al and easy.dude and Ike are undoubtable smart folks BUT they all buy into the myth that the folks we send to Washington are honest,trustworthy,honorable people!IT AIN"T SO! I got my wake up call during the Viet Nam war and L.B.J.! Thats when i realized "everything that comes out of the govmt.mouth is a LIE!! They are both dead now BUT i would have GLADLY put a bullit in lyndons and McNamaras head !50.000 dead for nothing!!

May 18, 2013 at 10:35 a.m.
limric said...

Enemies Lists:

Whose worse Nixon or Obama? Nixon’s enemies list which began with about 20 people ballooned to nearly 600 and was used with IRS Audits of those they didn't like. (hmm – where have I heard that before??) But they couldn’t really organize retaliations against most on the list. HA, as I remember it, it wasn’t so much a punishment but as cool status. A certain 'Gonzo Journalist' was annoyed that he was excluded, “I would almost have preferred a vindictive tax audit to that kind of crippling exclusion.” Gotta love that!

Are Obama’s enemies saying something like that? Uh no, because most of them are dead. Call it the ‘Secret Kill List’, the ‘Hit List’ or the truly Orwellian ‘Disposition Matrix’ (see link below); what we have today the US government describes as a ‘next generation capture/kill list.’ These criteria go way beyond the consequences of just being on a list; and go way beyond tax audits, with punishments ranging from capturing, rendering to outright assassination.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/may/17/endless-war-on-terror-obama

I call this round for Obama. By far!

Well, so far it’s Obama 2, Nixon 1.

The question is. Will Obama face a vicious press as Nixon did, or will it all blow away like a dissipating thunderstorm? Today's press are pussy’s after all.

I usually point out that much of this rabid the anti-Obama zealotry comes from the nutty/birther/Tea Party/Fox News fringe, but Obama’s decisions on these (they are both ethical and (im)moral) has handed his adversaries an ammo supply that even Ted Nugent would envy. Mmm…then again, maybe not.

May 18, 2013 at 10:38 a.m.

“Director of IRS Tax-Exempt Determinations Office Is Obama Donor” by Eliana Johnson (National Review Online, May 15, 2013)

The director of the Office of Rulings and Agreements, which oversees the determinatons of tax-exempt organizations, is a donor to Barack Obama. Holly Paz donated $2,000 to Obama’s 2008 campaign, according to Open Secrets, which maintains a database of individual political donations.

An inspector general’s report released yesterday concluded that the IRS improperly targeted Tea Party and other conservative groups for undue scrutiny, and Paz heads the office in which the wrongdoing is said to have occurred. National Review Online reported earlier today that agency officials are currently copying the hard drives of every employee on Paz’s watch. That data will be made available to investigators working on a second IG investigation into whether individual agency employees engaged in criminal activity.

The House Oversight Committee is requesting that Paz and four other employees be made available for transcribed interviews starting next week.

Data from the Center for Responsive Politics indicate that Paz’s donations are consistent with broader trends at the IRS, where agency employees donated overwhelming to President Obama in both the 2012 and 2008 presidential Elections.

May 18, 2013 at 10:41 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

they all buy into the myth that the folks we send to Washington are honest,trustworthy,honorable people

I invite you to demonstrate where I said this. My point all along has been consistency. Don't condemn Obama for sins that all presidents have committed without penalty.

May 18, 2013 at 10:41 a.m.
carlB said...

Apparently, the bad judgment being shown by the Republicans from "day # one" is their trying to convince the voters that President Obama was a mistake and just getting him out of the Office and electing a Republican, AGAIN, would be "like magic" in solving all of the problems we are confronted with. Are the voters really listening to what the Republicans are saying and associating their objectives with what would happen in the real world if they took away the governments' spending without having created production jobs through the private enterprise systems that have been investing in manufacturing plants in other countries and are "missing in action." If this Republic went into another great depression or as has happened IN several areas from the "acts of nature" we know there would a drastic change in the 99 per centers' living conditions when they did not have their normal conveniences or the money to pay the "bills."

May 18, 2013 at 10:52 a.m.
jesse said...

You have a point Ike!went back and checked and while you have a somewhat left bent i failed to find what i was lookin for! My apologies!Maybe i shoulda used anniebelle for an example!

May 18, 2013 at 10:55 a.m.
carlB said...

The Republicans' objectives would continue to force more people into poverty and then their policies/principles are against using our Government in helping the people with their existence. Yet, many voters go along with voting against their best interest by voting for the Republican Party after they have told by them that their objectives are for the workers and the people.
Those objectives for the 99% are for them being repressed, regressed, oppressed, depressed, digressed or a suppressed class of people. If this what the voters want, then this would be what the Republicans want for you.

May 18, 2013 at 11:03 a.m.
acerigger said...

Thanks for your postings Limric, it's good to know that someone else is paying attention.

I wonder what would be the American people's reaction if some(any) MSM outlet had one of their talking heads sit down and read out loud from Mr. Scahill's book on each evenings newscast?

The fact that even Faux Newz doesn't use this info to smear this administration is pretty telling. Or is it that Americans just don't see anything wrong with it?

May 18, 2013 at 11:04 a.m.
alprova said...

I'm still waiting for examples of powers that President Obama has imposed upon himself and examples of rights that he is supposed to have trampled.

I hear crickets...

May 18, 2013 at 11:09 a.m.
mapsguy1955 said...

What a bunch of "informed" people here. The bottom line is that Republican policy is typically either unsustainable or delusionally nostalgic for the past. Are there problems with our government and leadership? Sure, but there has always been. But the comments on this blog show the reason why America is unsustainable the way it is going and our form of government will fail if we don't take the mad money out of elections. We need a Constitutional Amendment that states "If you can't vote for him/her/it, you can't donate." Until then, we will get our information from sources with vested interests and vote based on the opinions of a few with a lot of influence.

May 18, 2013 at 11:11 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Thank you, jesse. I do tend left, but the extreme vitriol directed at this president is obnoxious and un-American. Not only does it fail to address the real problems that our economy still struggles with, but it continues to undermine the credibility of conservatives. You can only cry wolf so many times. At one level I am not pleased that the progress is so slow, and am ready to blame Obama's administration for this. But the blatant obstruction on the part of conservatives, especially the Tea Party, makes it clear that Obama's progress has been hampered. I have to conclude that he is doing all the right things, as the economy is making progress in spite of all the crap thrown in his way.

He is not a saint, and can play dirty just like everyone else in Washington. However, he is not any more "socialist" than most everyone left or center in government now, he is not evil, he is not planning to become "king" (this is so ridiculous it shouldn't even be part of adult conversation). He has not taken away our rights, but I worry about him not rolling back some of the more suspicious "patriot act" stuff.

A conservative facebook friend posted a silly picture meme of both Bushes and Reagan holding their own umbrellas and a marine holding one for Obama. Of course, a liberal friend posted a meme showing the exact opposite. We all see and hear what we want, no?

May 18, 2013 at 11:21 a.m.
limric said...

”Sherman. Let’s go to the Wayback machine again.”

”Aww, not again Mr. Peabody!”

Jess E,

Your post yesterday regarding racism as being not ” JUST about RACE” by referencing ‘The Territorial Imperative’ as a basis for your three word hypothesis was more insightful (and fundamentally correct) than the adversarial and undeserved bashing meted out. Maybe the way you used a largely unknown anthropological study without clarifying or codifying its conclusions is what threw them over the edge. Ignorance (not stupidity) often induces an angry response.

I understood what you were trying to say.

May 18, 2013 at 11:22 a.m.
limric said...

”Sherman. Let’s go to the Wayback machine again.”

”Aww, not again Mr. Peabody?”

Jess E,

Your post yesterday regarding racism as being not ” JUST about RACE” by referencing ‘The Territorial Imperative’ as a basis for your three word hypothesis was more insightful (and fundamentally correct) than the adversarial and undeserved bashing meted out. Maybe the way you used a largely unknown anthropological study without clarifying or codifying its conclusions is what threw them over the edge. Ignorance (not stupidity) often induces an angry response.

I understood what you were trying to say.

May 18, 2013 at 11:23 a.m.
acerigger said...

alprova said...

I'm still waiting for examples of powers that President Obama has imposed upon himself and examples of rights that he is supposed to have trampled.

I hear crickets...

Al, I'd truly like to hear your take on this;

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/jeremy-scahill-and-noam-chomsky-truth-about-americas-secret-dirty-wars
May 18, 2013 at 11:27 a.m.
limric said...

Sorry about the double post.

Server Fu*kage!!

May 18, 2013 at 11:35 a.m.
chet123 said...

GOP....AT IT AGAIN......THROWING STONES FROM GLASS HOUSES....HA HA HA

May 18, 2013 at 11:45 a.m.
chet123 said...

THESE CLOWNS(REPUBLICANS) ARE LAUGHABLE

May 18, 2013 at 11:46 a.m.
patriot1 said...

Allpoo (registered republican) says..."I hear crickets..."

Alpo....are those crickets chirping with an African-American dialect?

May 18, 2013 at 11:59 a.m.

“DC Circuit Overturns President Obama’s Power Grab” by Trevor Burrus (Cato at Liberty [blog], January 25, 2013)

“Today, in an important decision with far-reaching implications, the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled unconstitutional President Obama’s appointment of three members to the National Labor Relations Board.

“Slightly over a year ago, on January 4, 2012, President Obama appointed four people to high-level offices without the constitutionally required “advice and consent” of the Senate. Three of those appointees were placed on the NLRB, and the other was Richard Cordray, chosen to direct the Consumer Finance Protection Bureau, the “consumer watchdog” agency created by Dodd-Frank.

“The appointments were one of the most significant power grabs by a president in recent memory. The Constitution requires that certain “officers of the United States,” a category which indisputably includes NLRB board members and the director of the CFPB, be appointed by the president with the “advice and consent of the Senate.” Like many constitutional provisions, this is a “checks and balances” requirement that helps ensure the president does not unilaterally control the executive branch for his own purposes.

“As a precaution against crucial offices staying vacant while the Senate is not in session, the Framers included a clause that allows the president to temporarily circumvent the “advice and consent” requirement in order “to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session.” At the time of the framing, as well as for many decades afterward, senators would usually spend six to nine months out of Washington. In those absences, it was left to the president to keep the government going, and the Recess Appointment Clause gives the president the power to make temporary appointments during those long periods when the Senate was simply unavailable.

“Unfortunately, like so many constitutional provisions, the last 80 years have seen a gradual, bipartisan effort to whittle away the Recess Appointment Clause’s function and to concentrate more power in the president …

“Whereas previous presidents only had the gall to assert the power to determine what a recess was, President Obama’s innovation in executive power grabs was to assert the power to determine whether or not a pro forma session is actually a session for the purposes of the Recess Appointment Clause. According to the Office of Legal Council, the president has the “discretion to conclude that the Senate is unavailable to perform its advise-and-consent function and to exercise his power to make recess Appointments.”

http://www.cato.org/blog/dc-circuit-overturns-president-obamas-power-grab

May 18, 2013 at 12:01 p.m.

(continued)

“The OLC’s argument “will not do,” wrote Chief Judge David Sentelle in a stirring and chiding opinion rooted in constitutional originalism. He continued:

“An interpretation of “the Recess” that permits the President to decide when the Senate is in recess would demolish the checks and balances inherent in the advice-and-consent requirement, giving the President free rein to appoint his desired nominees at any time he pleases, whether that time be a weekend, lunch, or even when the Senate is in session and he is merely displeased with its inaction. This cannot be the law.”

“After appointing Cordray and the NLRB board members, President Obama said he “refused to take no for an answer,” and that he would “not stand by while a minority in the Senate puts party ideology ahead of the people they were elected to serve.” The President’s attorneys made a similar argument, claiming that the Senate was standing in the way of his duties as president. Sentelle’s response:

“It bears emphasis that “[c]onvenience and efficiency are not the primary objectives—or the hallmarks—of democratic government.” … The power of a written constitution lies in its words. It is those words that were adopted by the people. When those words speak clearly, it is not up to us to depart from their meaning in favor of our own concept of efficiency, convenience, or facilitation of the functions of government.”

http://www.cato.org/blog/dc-circuit-overturns-president-obamas-power-grab

May 18, 2013 at 12:02 p.m.
jesse said...

Thanks Limric! i think you may be the only one on here that had an inkling of what i was trying to get over!

Just about to call it quits on here!

the truley inquisitive will google the source and maybe find a small amount of knowledge! Of course i could have quoted the intire book BUT how many would have comprehended what was there?

May 18, 2013 at 12:06 p.m.

“Obama: Already a Multiple Lawbreaker” by Brian Doherty (Hit and Run Blog at www.Reason.com, May. 17, 2013)

“Conor Friedersdorf continues his (alas, probably pretty futile) attempt to get fans of President Obama to wake the hell up! at The Atlantic:

“Yes, President Obama has broken the law on multiple occasions. Despite clearly stating, in a 2008 questionnaire, that the commander-in-chief is not lawfully empowered to ignore treaties duly ratified by the Senate, Obama has willfully failed to enforce the torture treaty, signed by Ronald Reagan and duly ratified by the Senate, that compels him to investigate and prosecute torture....

“Obama also violated the War Powers Resolution, a law he has specifically proclaimed to be Constitutionally valid, when committing U.S. troops to Libya without Congressional approval....

“Has he ordered the assassination of any American citizens in secret without due process? Did he kill any of their teenage kids without ever explaining how or why that happened?

“Has he refused to reveal even the legal reasoning he used to conclude his targeted killing program is lawful?

“Has he waged an unprecedented war on whistleblowers?

“Has he spied on millions of innocent Americans without a warrant or probable cause?

“Does he automatically count dead military-aged males killed by U.S. drones as "militants"?

“Did he "sign a bill that enshrines in law the previously merely alleged executive power of indefinite detention without trial of terror suspects"?....

“Yes. He. Has.”

http://reason.com/blog/2013/05/17/obama-already-a-multiple-lawbreaker

May 18, 2013 at 12:14 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

. ALPO, I'm still waiting for an apology from you and your little liar buddy for trampling on MY rights. Surely internet stalking is a crime. no? Nothing like getting on the Easy123 & Alpo enemies list. You 2 morons would fit in perfectly at the Obama WhiteHouse. I hear crickets.

May 18, 2013 at 12:28 p.m.
chet123 said...

PLAIN LIAR..I MEAN PLAIN TRUTH....YOU SHOULD DO THE APOLOGIZING

May 18, 2013 at 12:30 p.m.
degage said...

Plain Truth has nothing to apologize for, Al and easy are the one's that attacked him.

May 18, 2013 at 12:34 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

thanks ^^

May 18, 2013 at 12:35 p.m.
jesse said...

P.T. is doin the same thing Al and Easy and everyone else on here is doin! He's havin his say and injoyin hisself and if Al And Easy and anyone else on here that thinks he needs to toe the "Alprova" line to get along prob. could kiss his arz!

May 18, 2013 at 12:41 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Thanks jesse. Just grateful my name ain't John Smith. They would've had me incarcerated.

May 18, 2013 at 12:49 p.m.
mapsguy1955 said...

Anybody who calls Obama a Socialist and will not call Reagan or Bush or Eisenhower or Nixon or Clinton, Socialists has no clue as to what a socialist is. This argument is the epitome of stupid and naive. Those who call him a Communist are simply idiots who do not deserve to be taken seriously in any public discourse.

May 18, 2013 at 1:01 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

So mapsguy, what would you call him?

May 18, 2013 at 1:05 p.m.
jesse said...

Don't know about mapsguy but for me "inept" works fine!

May 18, 2013 at 1:23 p.m.
alprova said...

jesse wrote: "P.T. is doin the same thing Al and Easy and everyone else on here is doin! He's havin his say and injoyin hisself and if Al And Easy and anyone else on here that thinks he needs to toe the "Alprova" line to get along prob. could kiss his arz!"

Of course you would agree with him, for your contributions of late seem to consist of attacking people as well.

I could not care less what people do in their lives, but you and Jack like two peas in a pod, in that you two simply cannot refrain from offering snarky comments about others.

I knew about his little personal problem months ago. When someone else brought it up and he denied it, and given that he has again cranked up with the snide comments, I saw no reason to allow him to wiggle out of it.

You and everyone else is free to believe whatever you wish, and I'm done bring up the issue, for it truly is his business, but if he wants to continue with the snide, unprovoked commentary, there are people who can dish out the same, and yes...I'm one of them.

May 18, 2013 at 1:28 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

So ALPO, does "dish it out" make false accusations ok? Had no idea you would be so sensitive. BTW, there is nothing to "wiggle" out of. I've never lived or even driven thru the locations of the so-called "personal problem". Do yourself a favor and apologize. Your credibility has taken a blow Advice: Don't listen to your little serial liar friend, Easy. Stick to what you do best...bloviating and gas-bagging. You pompous jag-off. And lay-off Jesse. He offers up more sense in 50 words than you do in your War & Peace like postings.

May 18, 2013 at 1:41 p.m.
Easy123 said...

alprova,

Don't you feel that it's strange that Jack continues be so sensitive about this subject? Staying up way past his normal posting hours to address this. Seems very strange that someone who has been called every name in the book by nearly everyone here would get so indignant about this.

I also find it fishy that Jack cited his reasoning in changing his screen name from Jack_Dennis to Rebus as he had "received mail and phone calls at home from some of the punks on this site". Yet, he says he hasn't lived in the "area" in 30 years. Sounds a little suspect to me.

May 18, 2013 at 3:03 p.m.
carlB said...

When we are not planning to break the laws of this Republic, what freedoms are the people afraid of losing? We all live under the same type of Government. The proper decisions have to be made by our elected leaders which include ALL of our CITIZENS. Who/what would be the "controller" if our government was weakened and could not play a part in keeping the USA from allowing the 2007 deep recession from turning into another a great depression, similar to the one in 1929? If the Republicans were in control NOW, would their policies/objectives keep this Republic out of a DEPRESSION? Another great depression could create the circumstances of having "Anarchy" to occur in the USA and even to occur world wide. From all of the indications, there are many people who would prefer to live in an "Anarchy Rule" than to live in a balanced "Republic" with laws and a government strong enough to keep the needed balanced conditions. A person's FREEDOM is not lost when we keep our Republic's proper balance between the extremes, but more of our freedoms' would be lost under the wage gap policies that the Republicans are trying to create.

May 18, 2013 at 3:31 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

The only thing fishy, Ease, is your breath. What I find remarkable is the attention you and the gas-bag have given me. That ain't normal, liar. BTW, I see nothing suspect about saying I haven't lived in the area in over 30 years. Is this a local board? There is life outside your little basement, liar. Your creds are shot. Same as Alpo-Blo.

May 18, 2013 at 3:36 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Plain_Jack_Dennis,

"The only thing fish, Ease, is your breath."

My Internet breath? LMFAO! Any more zingers, Jack?

"What I find remarkable is the attention you and the gas-bag have given me. That ain't normal, liar."

What I find remarkable is your propensity to deceive and lie. How many screen names have you had again? Aren't you the guy "mooching" off the government that derides the government and the people you believe are "feeding from the public trough". Look in the mirror, Jack. You are the epitome of a hypocrite.

"BTW, I see nothing suspect about saying I haven't lived in the area in over 30 years."

I do find it suspect that you said you had been getting letters and phone calls from people that post here (the reason you changed your screen name). How did those people come across your information? Were they calling you long-distance considering you don't live in the area? You're either lying about one thing or the other. Which is it, liar?

"Is this a local board?"

So you're trying to get people to believe that you just post on random newspaper website comments sections? LMFAO!

"There is life outside your little basement, liar."

And there's obviously life after bankruptcy too, right, liar?

"Your creds are shot. Same as Alpo-Blo."

I wish I gave a damn what you thought about my credibility. You've been taking a dump on yours since your "Jack_Dennis" days, you lying hypocrite.

May 18, 2013 at 3:44 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

The IRS targeted tea party, pro-life, and pro-Israel groups, but no left wing groups. I’m sure that’s just a coincidence or something. most certainly

May 18, 2013 at 3:45 p.m.
Easy123 said...

I guess any group that had to do any more paperwork than they feel was necessary will wax indignant about being "targeted", right?

May 18, 2013 at 3:50 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

BRP, I have a very serious question for you.

What rights has Barack Obama taken from you since he has been President that you did not have before he arrived on the scene?


That is a very, very serious question.

Let me see ... Oh yeah, I didn’t have the right to track mud in the house and, guess what, I still don’t have that right. So I guess its true that Obama has not taken that right away from me that I did not have when he arrived on the scene.


alprova said...

I hear crickets...


How about now

May 18, 2013 at 3:54 p.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "So ALPO, does "dish it out" make false accusations ok?"

If they were false, yes. But your continued protests are doing you in on the issue.

"Had no idea you would be so sensitive."

Likewise. You're squealing like a little piglet.

"BTW, there is nothing to "wiggle" out of. I've never lived or even driven thru the locations of the so-called "personal problem"."

Prove it.

"Do yourself a favor and apologize."

Not this time. You're getting a piece of your own conduct thrown back in your face. Deal with it.

"Your credibility has taken a blow"

Do you really think so?

"Advice: Don't listen to your little serial liar friend, Easy."

You're wrong to believe that. I found your bankruptcy months ago.

"Stick to what you do best...bloviating and gas-bagging. You pompous jag-off."

You reap what you sow.

"And lay-off Jesse. He offers up more sense in 50 words than you do in your War & Peace like postings."

Your opinion is of no consequence and maybe you haven't been paying attention, but Jesse is a big boy. You've got enough on your plate at the moment.

May 18, 2013 at 4:01 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Give it a rest, liar. Too late to rehabilitate your creeds. Put the lie to bed.

May 18, 2013 at 4:02 p.m.
mapsguy1955 said...

President is what he should be called. It is what he earned. You don't have to like that, but the majority of Americans do. As far as I know, contrary to Republican desires to gerrymander every house district, this is still a country where a majority has a say.

May 18, 2013 at 4:05 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Plain_Jack_Dennis,

Still waiting on your admission, liar. Your credibility has been in the tank, but it's not too late to tell the truth.

May 18, 2013 at 4:05 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

I admit you owe one Jack Dennis from in or around Athens TN a huge apology.

May 18, 2013 at 4:07 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Plain_Jack_Dennis,

You know you don't live there anymore. You still have relatives in Decatur though. I could post your phone number and a list of former and current mailing addresses if you want to keep being dishonest.

May 18, 2013 at 4:09 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

nucanuck said...

When the party out of power wants to undermine the party in power, we all lose.


When the party in power uses the powers of government to harass and punish their political opponents what do you get.

Obama reelected?


We have become ungovernable and adrift with the different factions (Of the Republican Party .. Right?) unwilling to seek common ground.

We can all see the problem, but the solutions remain aloof (Not forthcoming and friendly or just cool and distant?).

Do we have to crash and burn because we are so divided or is there hope? (Is this really just a punch line from a movie trailer?)

May 18, 2013 at 4:09 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

The IRS targeted tea party, pro-life, and pro-Israel groups, but no left wing groups. I’m sure that’s just a coincidence or something. most certainly

Actually, that's not correct. In the previous administration a lot of leftist groups got targeted. If it seemed like there were a lot of groups targeted, it is because there was a large increase in the number of groups applying. But to say that this is only an attack on right wing groups is incorrect.

May 18, 2013 at 4:11 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Post away, you lying stalker. But it won't be mine. Maybe the real victim of your jihad will kick your ass. You're just digging a deeper hole, lie-baby.

May 18, 2013 at 4:15 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Plain_Jack_Dennis,

"Post away, you lying stalker."

You don't know what stalking is, do you, Jack? I thought I was wrong about all this? How could I be stalking you if I've got all the information wrong on you, liar?

"But it won't be mine."

I bet that's your sincerest hope.

"Maybe the real victim of your jihad will kick your ass."

Alprova was right. You're squealing like a piglet.

"You're just digging a deeper hole, lie-baby."

Likewise, liar.

May 18, 2013 at 4:19 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Post away. You 2 mullets don't know when you're compounding your problem. But have at it.

May 18, 2013 at 4:24 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Plain_Jack_Dennis,

I'm compiling the data. I have to clear it with President Obama first.

You don't know when you're compounding YOUR problem.

May 18, 2013 at 4:27 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Don't you think that alprova's and Easy123's actions over the last few days speak volumes in support of anonymous posting titles?

This shows that there are people of such arrogance and dogmatic drive for their position that they think nothing of exposing their enemies personal information to shame them from entering or continuing the debate.

Its no different than, for example, outing a homosexual to marginalize their message or to harm them financially, socially, or emotionally for positions they hold.

People that practice this form of assault should be shunned for for their lack of any ethics when interacting with other people.

This also has a message for those that would demand the identities of those that wish to band together for political activism. The real reason for that is not for transparency but primarily to identify those people who you consider your enemy so they can be assaulted in the same way.

May 18, 2013 at 4:29 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Right as rain, Jt. They take glee in continuously outing my real name after I was stupid enough to use it. But they're all wet on the bankruptcy deal. Hell, if I had ever taken bankruptcy, I would admit it. Not the worse thing in the world.

May 18, 2013 at 4:33 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Easy123 said...

Plain_Jack_Dennis,

I'm compiling the data.


You and alprova have talked incessantly about this for two days.

Your victim has said "Post Away".

What are you waiting on?

It couldn't be that gnawing doubt in the back of your mind that you may be wrong and very shortly someone will own the two of you lock stock and barrel.

Go ahead and pull the trigger.

This has got to be very interesting.

May 18, 2013 at 4:36 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

In the end, cowards will be cowards.

May 18, 2013 at 4:37 p.m.
MickeyRat said...

YOU THREE! Yea - You know who you are!!

PS, Nice selection Limerick.

May 18, 2013 at 4:44 p.m.
alprova said...

JT wrote: "Don't you think that alprova's and Easy123's actions over the last few days speak volumes in support of anonymous posting titles?"

Huh?

"This shows that there are people of such arrogance and dogmatic drive for their position that they think nothing of exposing their enemies personal information to shame them from entering or continuing the debate."

Quoting Silvester Stallone, "He drew first blood."

"Its no different than, for example, outing a homosexual to marginalize their message or to harm them financially, socially, or emotionally for positions they hold."

Jackie boy doesn't work for a living, and thus, has no position to marginalize.

"People that practice this form of assault should be shunned for for their lack of any ethics when interacting with other people."

Oh...PLEASE shun me. I'd love nothing more than for you to completely ignore my posts.

"This also has a message for those that would demand the identities of those that wish to band together for political activism."

Oh brother. I guess I should have seen THAT one coming from you.

"The real reason for that is not for transparency but primarily to identify those people who you consider your enemy so they can be assaulted in the same way."

It would be best for people to offer complete respect at all times for their foes, even when they feel safe behind a wall that they believe to lends to them any feeling that they are anonymous. That way, assault does not cross the mind of their enemy.

'cause the simple fact is, that you never know who has access to information that can pinpoint you to where you sleep.

May 18, 2013 at 4:48 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

lkeithlu said...

“The IRS targeted tea party, pro-life, and pro-Israel groups, but no left wing groups. I’m sure that’s just a coincidence or something. most certainly”

Actually, that's not correct. In the previous administration a lot of leftist groups got targeted.


If you want to indict the previous administration then have at and post your claims. However it will not justify the activities of this administration nor reduce in one bit the indictments being prepared against it.


If it seemed like there were a lot of groups targeted, it is because there was a large increase in the number of groups applying.


A review of application data by the Chronicle of Philanthropy found that when the IRS imposed its "tea party" rule in March 2010, tax-exempt applications had been on the decline — going from 1,751 in fiscal year 2009 to 1,735 in fiscal year 2010, which ended Sept. 30, 2010.


But to say that this is only an attack on right wing groups is incorrect.


Whatever allows you to rationalize, in your own mind alone, what is transpiring

May 18, 2013 at 4:49 p.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "In the end, cowards will be cowards."

I'm sorry, but I simply have to do this...

Bwahahahahahahahaw :')>---

May 18, 2013 at 4:52 p.m.
Maximus said...

Clay is the intoxicated one.....an Obamaholic! We will have to drink the lame duck wine for the rest of his deceitful rein of transformation. Mediocrity for all except the large guvment ruling class and a few A list celebs, corporate cronys and intellectuals was his dream. Fortunately America woke up from its food stamp frenzy and said enough!

May 18, 2013 at 4:53 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

We're still waiting Easy123 and alprova.

You've "justified" your position.

You've got an O.K. from your victim.

Post away or you're cowards.

Just make sure bully boys because we'll all be watching and noting the proceedings.

May 18, 2013 at 4:53 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Jt6,

"Post away or you're cowards."

I already have on May 18, 2013 at 5:14 a.m. alprova has as well.

"Just make sure bully boys because we'll all be watching and noting the proceedings."

I'm currently compiling phone numbers and addresses. Keep watching and noting, sweetheart.

May 18, 2013 at 4:58 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

All that you posted was a list of names.

Which is it so I can contact them about the truthfulness of your claim.

Well?

May 18, 2013 at 5:03 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Easy123 said...

Do you really want me to do that, punk? Are you sure that you want me to put your personal information on this website, punk?

I was trying to be courteous, but if you really want me to divulge your personal information, I'll be happy to oblige, punk


Well?

May 18, 2013 at 5:09 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Jt6_quoque,

"Which is it so I can contact them about the truthfulness of your claim."

You can figure that out for yourself.

Or can you?

May 18, 2013 at 5:11 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Easy123 said ...

your reaction alone is proof enough that the claims against you are true.


Are you sure?

You willing to pull the trigger on that bit "deductive reasoning(?)"?

May 18, 2013 at 5:13 p.m.
Easy123 said...

jt6_quoque,

"Are you sure?"

Do I seem unsure?

"You willing to pull the trigger on that bit "deductive reasoning(?)"?"

Already pulled that trigger, sweetheart.

May 18, 2013 at 5:14 p.m.
anniebelle said...

The year 2010 gave us Citizens United. Suddenly corporations were people who had the right of free speech. But corporations didn't want their free speech to be disclosed. Enter the Koch Bros., Dick Armey and Freedom Works. In their basement lab, they concocted the very first para-political party, the Tea Party, disguised as a social welfare agency, a 501(c)4. Tea Party Groups were mysteriously born all over the US. Not surprisingly, people and the media began howling loudly that the Tea Party was a wholly political entity that should be a 527 entity for IRS purposes. The media mysteriously seems to have forgotten all this. Again not surprisingly the IRS began to question this rash of new applicants. That's how you make a determination. But ah, the Koch Bros were ready. In March 2012 a conservative legal foundation, the Landmark Legal Foundation filed a complaint with the Inspector General of the Treasury that the Tea Party groups were being unfairly targeted. So the Tea Party which is a 100% political organization can pretend it is a social welfare agency until the rules are changed by Congress. To fault IRS workers who were responding to complaints is an ex post facto re-investigation of something that has already been examined and addressed.

May 18, 2013 at 5:15 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Easy123 said...

Jt6_quoque, "Which is it so I can contact them about the truthfulness of your claim."

You can figure that out for yourself.

Or can you?


Backing down like that before all of your posting pals(?) has got to hurt.

I notice alprova has wisely already slinked off and left you to take it all by yourself. I don't know if it is his age that gave him the wisdom to skate while the skating was good by he did skunk you.

Enjoy being out there all by yourself.

May 18, 2013 at 5:20 p.m.
Easy123 said...

jt6_quoque,

"Backing down like that before all of your posting pals(?) has got to hurt."

"Backing down"? To quote the old you: LMFAO!

"Enjoy being out there all by yourself."

I am not relying on alprova in any way, sweet cheeks.

May 18, 2013 at 5:23 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Come on don't squat down in that corner.

Give us all of the juicy details.

Well where are the names, addresses, telephone numbers, etc.?

May 18, 2013 at 5:23 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Crickets ?

May 18, 2013 at 5:24 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Where is all of that bold talk from earlier?

We're still waiting.

May 18, 2013 at 5:25 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Coward!

May 18, 2013 at 5:26 p.m.
anniebelle said...

A little trip down memory lane, kids. I wish there was more GOP interest when the same issue was raised during the Bush administration, where they audited a progressive church in California. Only one Republican, [North Carolina Rep. Walter Jones], would call for an investigation during the Bush administration. I’m glad now that the GOP has found interest in this issue and it ought to be a bipartisan concern. All Saints Episcopal in Pasadena, was threatened by the IRS to revoke the church’s tax-exempt status over an anti-Iraq War sermon the Sunday before the 2004 election.

And it wasn’t just churches. In 2004, the IRS went after the NAACP, auditing the nation’s oldest civil rights group after its chairman criticized President Bush for being the first sitting president since Herbert Hoover that did not address their group. Then, in 2006, the Wall Street Journal broke the story of a how a little-known pressure group called Public Interest Watch — which received 97 percent of its funds from Exxon Mobile one year — managed to get the IRS to open an investigation into Greenpeace. Greenpeace had labeled Exxon Mobil the “No. 1 climate criminal.” The IRS acknowledged its audit was initiated by Public Interest Watch and threatened to revoke Greenpeace’s tax-exempt status, but closed the investigation three months later.

May 18, 2013 at 5:26 p.m.
Easy123 said...

jt6_quoque,

"Come on don't squat down in that corner."

LMFAO!

"Give us all of the juicy details."

I have.

"Well where are the names, addresses, telephone numbers, etc.?"

It's more work than you might think.

"Crickets ?"

You must be blind.

"Where is all of that bold talk from earlier?"

LMFAO!

"We're still waiting."

LMFAO!

"Coward!"

Bwahahahahahaha!

May 18, 2013 at 5:26 p.m.
acerigger said...

Another faux scandal bites the dust,

A May 14 draft report by the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration found that none of the 296 questionable applicants had been denied, “For the 296 potential political cases we reviewed, as of December 17, 2012, 108 applications had been approved, 28 were withdrawn by the applicant, none had been denied, and 160 cases were open from 206 to 1,138 calendar days (some crossing two election cycles).” (p. 14)

In fact, the only known 501(c)(4) applicant to recently have its status denied happens to be a progressive group: the Maine chapter of Emerge America, which trains Democratic women to run for office. http://www.irehr.org/issue-areas/tea-party-nationalism/tea-party-news-and-analysis/item/482-tea-party-irs-scandal

Try again crybabies.

May 18, 2013 at 5:29 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

anniebelle

You posted the same a few days ago and it may have relevance to history but it in no way alters the investigation of the crimes committed by this administration.

You can play the "BUT .. but ..game all day" however it is no rational defence for you side

May 18, 2013 at 5:34 p.m.
acerigger said...

Jt6gR3hM said... "You can play the "BUT .. but ..game all day" however it is no rational defence(sic) for you side."

That "side" needs no defense, see my 5:29 post

May 18, 2013 at 5:44 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Here you go. I’ll try again as you requested.


acerigger said...

A May 14 draft report by the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration found that none of the 296 questionable applicants had been denied, “For the 296 potential political cases we reviewed, as of December 17, 2012, 108 applications had been approved, 28 were withdrawn by the applicant, none had been denied, and 160 cases were open from 206 to 1,138 calendar days (some crossing two election cycles).” (p. 14)


So it can only be harassment and probably illegal if the groups are finally denied. Its just fine if other groups are getting approved when there are Conservative groups being delayed and harassed for up to 3 years. Preventing many of them from exercising their rights of freedom of expression.


In fact, the only known 501(c)(4) applicant to recently have its status denied happens to be a progressive group: the Maine chapter of Emerge America, which trains Democratic women to run for office.

http://www.irehr.org/issue-areas/tea-party-nationalism/tea-party-news-and-analysis/item/482-tea-party-irs-scandal


This group was in gross violation of the rules by selecting and running candidates.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/20130515arizona-political-groups-say-targeted-by-irs.html

Kennedy said her group, which recruits and trains female Democratic candidates, received tax-exempt status for years as it opened chapters across the country. But in 2011, the IRS held up applications for chapters in Maine, Massachusetts and Nevada, requesting additional information, she said. Then the agency revoked the tax-exempt status for all Emerge chapters.

May 18, 2013 at 5:53 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

anniebelle said...

But ah, the Koch Bros were ready. In March 2012 a conservative legal foundation, the Landmark Legal Foundation filed a complaint with the Inspector General of the Treasury that the Tea Party groups were being unfairly targeted.


They were well within their rights to do so and they were 100% correct and now there will be some people doing the “Perp Walk” as we all laugh.

May 18, 2013 at 5:59 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

lkeithlu said...

http://thegrio.com/2013/05/14/republican-outrage-over-irs-targeting-tea-party-didnt-extend-to-naacp/


But ... but ... Mom what are you punishing me for? Everybody else does it so why can't I?

You just don't love me any more ... Do You!?

May 18, 2013 at 6:06 p.m.

Stupid cartoon. One of the bottles is labeled "intolerance"

The Democrat controlled IRS doesn't seem to display much tolerance for conservative or many other groups.

May 18, 2013 at 6:13 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said ...

Jt wrote - "This shows that there are people of such arrogance and dogmatic drive for their position that they think nothing of exposing their enemies personal information to shame them from entering or continuing the debate."

Quoting Silvester(sic) Stallone, "He drew first blood."

(Is that the Bollywood version?)


Is that one of those “My brother/sister hit me first deals” that your parent always immediately accepted and declared you not at fault?

May 18, 2013 at 6:13 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

My link was in response to the claim that only conservative groups were targeted. And it is only one example.

May 18, 2013 at 6:24 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Alpo said Quoting Silvester Stallone, "He drew first blood." How was that, liar Alpo? By calling you a gas=bag? Pretty grievous, that.

May 18, 2013 at 6:24 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Alprova said ...

Jt wrote - "The real reason for that is not for transparency but primarily to identify those people who you consider your enemy so they can be assaulted in the same way."

It would be best for people to offer complete respect at all times for their foes, even when they feel safe behind a wall that they believe to lends to them any feeling that they are anonymous. That way, assault does not cross the mind of their enemy.


So you're saying that if people don’t watch their mouth around you that you’re emotional unable to prevent yourself from launching a personally intrusive assault against them. That could be a condition that you may want to have addressed.


'cause the simple fact is, that you never know who has access to information that can pinpoint you to where you sleep.


ditto.

May 18, 2013 at 6:33 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

The Butt Brothers have gone dark.

May 18, 2013 at 6:37 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Plain_Jack_Dennis,

"The Butt Brothers have gone dark."

Kind of like you did for the past two hours?

LMFAO!

May 18, 2013 at 6:39 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

lkeithlu said...

My link was in response to the claim that only conservative groups were targeted. And it is only one example.


My response still applies about you pleading to your "mom".

"the claim that only conservative groups were targeted" is still true for this administration. As I said before, post all the examples you want of this type of activity in past administrations.

It will not in one bit effect the indictments that will be prepared and served on this administration.

May 18, 2013 at 6:41 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Easy123 are you still just lurking around hoping that I"ll leave and you won't have to answer for you cowardly activities?

Even if I do take a break I will still be able to find you from the slime trail you leave behind.

May 18, 2013 at 6:43 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Easy: I love the way you monitor me...kind of sweet in a sick sorta way. You need to get out of that basement more often. Meet up with your BFF and discuss cyber stalking.

May 18, 2013 at 6:44 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

anniebelle said...

This is what happens when you let the pundits do your 'thinking' for you. Another Obama ‘Scandal’? Nope… GOP Rep Claims Responsibility For AP Surveillance.


Man that is some very strange reasoning.

GOP Congressmen/women request that the Justice Department do their job to identify and prosecute members of the administration that are illegally leaking state secrets. By so requesting this action they are somehow responsible for any and all actions either legal or illegal that the Justice Department might employ in carrying out their duties.

Really!?

May 18, 2013 at 6:57 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

anniebelle said...

No, degage, I copied it from Faux news website. Unlike you, I can read and don't have my information spoon fed to me from right-wing potties.


Is that so?

Would you post that link because everybody else that links to that article are saying that it came from:

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/05/16/no-choice-gop-congressman-cites-national-security-defends-doj-investigation-of-ap-video/

May 18, 2013 at 7 p.m.
Easy123 said...

jt6_qupque,

"Easy123 are you still just lurking around hoping that I"ll leave and you won't have to answer for you cowardly activities?"

LMFAO! Your God Complex tickles me.

"Even if I do take a break I will still be able to find you from the slime trail you leave behind."

Are you sure that's not the scum trail you left behind when the your former self, tu_quoque was purged from this site? Talk about a slime trail!

May 18, 2013 at 7:02 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Plain_Jack_Dennis,

"Easy: I love the way you monitor me...kind of sweet in a sick sorta way."

By monitor you, you must mean scroll up to look at the last time of your last post and do some simple subtraction. LMFAO!

"You need to get out of that basement more often."

And you need to get out of bankruptcy court more often.

"Meet up with your BFF and discuss cyber stalking."

Meet up with your attorney and discuss the terms of your repayment.

May 18, 2013 at 7:05 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Still waiting, tall talker.

May 18, 2013 at 7:16 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Plain_Jack_Dennis,

"Still waiting, tall talker."

So am I, liar.

May 18, 2013 at 7:24 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Bulletin: The liar bros. have stepped in a bucket of doo, and don't know how to get out.

May 18, 2013 at 7:31 p.m.
degage said...

Easy and Al, Plain needs to take you to task with TFP. Your obsession with him is ridiculous. Do you really think anyone but you is interested who Plain Truth is. Think again, unless it is your sheep that follow the leader. Get a life.

I might add your obsession with destroying another poster is well documented on this forum. Al, you don't seem to be the type but you have joined Easy full force.

May 18, 2013 at 7:31 p.m.

It isn’t just punch-drunk Republicans who have noticed the antics of an aspiring emperor.

“Obama is the first president to use his unilateral powers so routinely, especially in the domestic sphere,” says University of Virginia presidential scholar Sidney Milkis, a self-described moderate Democrat. “And in some ways, that may be more insidious than what came before.”

“President Obama’s Executive Power Grab: The Obama power play that could forever change the way Washington works” by Andrew Romano and Daniel Klaidman (Newsweek, Oct 22, 2012)

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2012/10/21/president-obama-s-executive-power-grab.html

May 18, 2013 at 7:38 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

I propose we give it a rest

May 18, 2013 at 7:42 p.m.
alprova said...

JT wrote: "I notice alprova has wisely already slinked off and left you to take it all by yourself. I don't know if it is his age that gave him the wisdom to skate while the skating was good by he did skunk you."

I have no intention of posting the man's full name or anything personal about him.

There is at least one poster, who doesn't think very much of me who could easily post my full name and physical address. He has vowed not to do it, and neither will I of anyone else.

May 18, 2013 at 7:45 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Plain_Jack_Dennis,

"Bulletin: The liar bros. have stepped in a bucket of doo, and don't know how to get out."

Stepped in a bucket of Jack_Dennis.

"I propose we give it a rest"

I bet you do!

May 18, 2013 at 7:45 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Were conservative organizations targeted in the last administration? If not, then why not? What is your point, exactly? The statement that ONLY conservative organizations receive special scrutiny is false. I am not defending it, other than to point out that conservative outrage is hypocritical.

May 18, 2013 at 7:47 p.m.
Easy123 said...

degage,

"Easy and Al, Plain needs to take you to task with TFP."

For what? Googling? LMFAO!

"Your obsession with him is ridiculous."

I could name a few things about you that are ridiculous as well. But why kick you while you're down, right, hypocrite?

"Do you really think anyone but you is interested who Plain Truth is."

Probably. jesse, timbo and others have argued that posters should reveal their real names in order to post here.

"Think again, unless it is your sheep that follow the leader."

I'm glad you claim to speak for everyone.

"Get a life."

After you.

"I might add your obsession with destroying another poster is well documented on this forum."

You're a liar.

"Al, you don't seem to be the type but you have joined Easy full force."

You only see what you want to see, degage.

May 18, 2013 at 7:48 p.m.
degage said...

Easy, Is that all you have?

May 18, 2013 at 7:53 p.m.
jesse said...

Maybe if we ALL agreed to behave like gentelmen regardless of our diff. we could eliminate all the MALICE on here!

P.T. you quit gouging the tiger in the arz and Al and Easy ,Just consider the source and let it go!

May 18, 2013 at 7:53 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Degage,

I could ask you the same question, Ms. Hypocrite.

May 18, 2013 at 8:01 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Limric...the Knopfler/emmylou ditty is awesome

May 18, 2013 at 8:05 p.m.
jesse said...

Degage! Easy has been firing blanks ever since i first got onto this place! His sense of "self importance" has over ridden his common sense! He now live in the realm of the old mac davis song "It's Hard to be Humble when your perfect in every way"

May 18, 2013 at 8:09 p.m.
alprova said...

degage wrote: "Easy and Al, Plain needs to take you to task with TFP."

If he feels that he has a legitimate complaint, by all means, let him submit it. You are completely ignoring and overlooking his personal and unprovoked attacks on others. I was content to let him post his little two-liners forever until he started with the snarky, unprovoked commentary that he is famous for.

Turnabout is fair play. He's just upset that I had a little more to offer that makes him look bad, than he did.

"Your obsession with him is ridiculous."

I'm hardly obsessed with him or anyone else. I've dropped it and have no intention of continuing personal exchanges with the man.

If he'll leave others alone, I'll leave him alone. It's a simple as that.

"Do you really think anyone but you is interested who Plain Truth is."

Don't know. Don't care.

"I might add your obsession with destroying another poster is well documented on this forum. Al, you don't seem to be the type but you have joined Easy full force."

I've never witnessed Easy attack anyone unprovoked. Jack/Rebus/PlainTruth is a game player and one of a few who routinely exist in this forum to troll on what other people post to see if he can get a rise out of people.

Now that he's had a taste of what it feels like. It's all up to him how far it can go.

As for you, it's probably not a good idea for you to get in the middle, unless you are going to recognize who it is that started it and to be equally as critical of him as you are of me.

May 18, 2013 at 8:13 p.m.
degage said...

Al, you already have posted who you think is Plain Truth by your agreement with Easy. His link of the bankrupt and your going on and on about it says only one thing, you were all in. You really lowered yourself. You may think I'm lecturing and you may be right. I was raised different and really appreciate my parents for it.

May 18, 2013 at 8:15 p.m.
alprova said...

jesse wrote: "Maybe if we ALL agreed to behave like gentelmen regardless of our diff. we could eliminate all the MALICE on here!"

I absolutely support that 100%. I hope you are including yourself as well, because you have a habit of being a little snarky at times too.

"P.T. you quit gouging the tiger in the arz and Al and Easy ,Just consider the source and let it go!"

Done.

May 18, 2013 at 8:18 p.m.
degage said...

Oh Al, Remember when you were a kid and you got in trouble ? He started it ! doesn't mean you have to end it. You are no longer a child so don't act like one.

May 18, 2013 at 8:20 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

PlainTruth said...

I propose we give it a rest


I don't think so.

They claimed they had your personal information and were going to release it to embarrass you.

You gave them permission.

Somebody is lying and this needs to play out.

For all of their bluster they have proven themselves to the cowards by not following through on their boast and probably the liars that they know anything that’s true.

They have threaten others will claims they can do the same for any of us.

I call B.S. on their whole deal and I don’t think any of us should allow them to escape their threats against us.

I sure won’t.

May 18, 2013 at 8:20 p.m.
Easy123 said...

jesse,

"Easy has been firing blanks ever since i first got onto this place!"

Ironic in more ways than one coming from you.

"His sense of "self importance" has over ridden his common sense!"

Likewise, Mr. Hypocrite.

May 18, 2013 at 8:21 p.m.
Easy123 said...

degage,

"Remember when you were a kid and you got in trouble ? He started it ! doesn't mean you have to end it."

Then don't start it.

"You are no longer a child so don't act like one."

Take your own advice, hypocrite. I've never seen you once call out anyone on your "side". You only want to chastise those you oppose. You have nothing to say against people like Maximus, Plain_Truth, joneses, etc. who have said much worse things than myself or alprova have ever said.

May 18, 2013 at 8:23 p.m.

”Please detail the content of the members of your organization’s prayers.”

Which inquisitor uttered this line? And in what century? Anyone?

May 18, 2013 at 8:25 p.m.
jesse said...

Al , if you have never seen Easy attack someone unprovoked then your definition of "provoked" is way diff. than mine!

Having a diff.opinion or view IS NOT provocative!

Easy has one responce to a differing opinion!RIP out their throats!!Period! If you fail to see this then that speaks of you like Easys responses speak of him!!

Al, I know i get "snarky" sometimes BUT sometime ya JUST CAN'T HELP YOURSELF!!It's fun IF ya don't let it get out of hand!!

May 18, 2013 at 8:28 p.m.
degage said...

Wrong Easy, I have called out Max and Connie. You seem to forget what doesn't fit into your post.

May 18, 2013 at 8:31 p.m.
Easy123 said...

jesse,

"Al , if you have never seen Easy attack someone unprovoked then your definition of "provoked" is way diff. than mine!"

You're a liar.

"Having a diff.opinion or view IS NOT provocative!"

I've never attacked anyone for having a different opinion.

"Easy has one responce to a differing opinion!RIP out their throats!!Period!"

Or maybe you're just sensitive and have a problem when someone questions your "differing opinion". Opinions can be wrong, especially when they are based on lies and misinformation.

"If you fail to see this then that speaks of you like Easys responses speak of him!!"

How is someone supposed to see what you've conjured up in your own mind? Your hypocrisy speaks volumes about you, jesse. But I've had you pegged for a long time.

May 18, 2013 at 8:32 p.m.
alprova said...

degage wrote: "Al, you already have posted who you think is Plain Truth by your agreement with Easy."

I never outed the man's full name. I provided enough details to HIM so that he understood that I was fully aware of his identity.

"His link of the bankrupt and your going on and on about it says only one thing, you were all in."

I'm not working in cahoots with what Easy posted. Jack pounced on me PERSONALLY, without any provocation, so I felt obligated to pounce back because he provoked me.

Do you think he will do it again, after this? Naw...I think he will leave me the heck alone from now on.

"You really lowered yourself."

I'm sorry you feel that way. Jack started this. I didn't.

"You may think I'm lecturing and you may be right. I was raised different and really appreciate my parents for it."

Let's not drag anyone's parents into this. I've got great parents, who are both still alive and well. But I've been an adult for many years now and haven't answered to them for decades.

I invite you to direct your criticism to the man who started all this. He dragged me into it.

I was dragged into this. I did not start it.

May 18, 2013 at 8:32 p.m.
Easy123 said...

degage,

"Wrong Easy, I have called out Max and Connie."

Bullsh!t, madam.

"You seem to forget what doesn't fit into your post."

You seem to make things up as you go along, liar. You have never said a cross word to any of those posters regarding their "attacks" on anyone. You're a hypocrite and a liar. There is no denying it.

May 18, 2013 at 8:34 p.m.
alprova said...

I'm with jesse on his take on this. EVERYONE needs to be more civil to each other. Enough with the personal attacks.

Contribute points of discussion or find another sandbox to play in.

This ragging on people and posting of comments strictly offered to get a rise out of people needs to come to a screeching halt.

May 18, 2013 at 8:38 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Jack started this? By calling Easy and Alpo out? That legitimizes them going on line and trying to find derogatory shiz on me? Give me a break. One last time...I've never been bankrupt. Not even close. I've never lived in, around, or near Athens TN. It's bogus as hell. And Alpo. you saying you've never seen Easy attack anyone is rich. You 2 make me puke with the lies.

May 18, 2013 at 8:41 p.m.
degage said...

Al, I stand by the kids on the playground yelling he started it. I don't care who started it, give it a rest and maybe Plain Truth will leave you alone. It's the same as when you finally quit answering Connie and he got a bit more quiet. Thank you for that, he was getting tiresome.

May 18, 2013 at 8:41 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Plain_Truth,

"Jack started this?"

You always do. You're a troll.

"By calling Easy and Alpo out?"

By trolling.

"That legitimizes them going on line and trying to find derogatory shiz on me?"

I thought it wasn't you?

"One last time...I've never been bankrupt. Not even close."

Denial is the first sign.

"I've never lived in, around, or near Athens TN."

What about Decatur?

"It's bogus as hell."

Keep pushing that lie.

"And Alpo. you saying you've never seen Easy attack anyone is rich."

Never unprovoked. And that's a fact, Jackie.

"You 2 make me puke with the lies."

You've been puking lies since your Jack_Dennis days.

May 18, 2013 at 8:44 p.m.
Easy123 said...

degage,

"I don't care who started it, give it a rest and maybe Plain Truth will leave you alone."

If you don't care who started it then why do you only chastise the person that didn't start it? Why is it that you can never bring yourself to say something to people that you side with? Why do you fail to see your hypocrisy?

You might considering answering those questions before you keep running your self-righteous, hypocritical, willfully oblivious mouth.

May 18, 2013 at 8:47 p.m.
jesse said...

P.T.!

You like to stir shat,plain and simple so don't bitch when you get some stink on your arz!Time to let all this childish B.S. go and get down to changing the world!PERIOT!!

May 18, 2013 at 8:48 p.m.
alprova said...

jesse wrote: "Al , if you have never seen Easy attack someone unprovoked then your definition of "provoked" is way diff. than mine!"

Okay, let me be a bit more clear. Very often, when two people are going at it, I skip those exchanges and pay far more attention to posts that expressing opinions or facts of discussion.

It's quite possible that I have missed Easy going over the top.

"Having a diff.opinion or view IS NOT provocative!"

It depends on whether or not the one disagreeing refers to their opponent by leveling an insult in their response.

"Easy has one responce to a differing opinion!RIP out their throats!!Period! If you fail to see this then that speaks of you like Easys responses speak of him!!"

Yes...I have witnessed him offering insults. Killing people with kindness seems to be the better ploy to winning any points.

"Al, I know i get "snarky" sometimes BUT sometime ya JUST CAN'T HELP YOURSELF!!It's fun IF ya don't let it get out of hand!!"

Fair enough. I know I've been just as guilty. I don't know about anyone else, but from now on, I vow to refrain from offering insults in my posts, no matter how badly one is deserving of one.

May 18, 2013 at 8:48 p.m.
alprova said...

degage wrote: "Al, I stand by the kids on the playground yelling he started it. I don't care who started it, give it a rest and maybe Plain Truth will leave you alone."

That's where I am at.

"It's the same as when you finally quit answering Connie and he got a bit more quiet. Thank you for that, he was getting tiresome."

I know. I apologize for those exchanges. I'm think, for the first time in my life, that I've finally learned that it's pointless to beat my head against a brick wall.

May 18, 2013 at 8:54 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Fairmon says: “You apparently agree with the opinions expressed in the Forbes article and consider the opinions expressed therein as facts. The root cause of the IRS issue is the convoluted tax code which could and should be extremely simple.”

Since the Forbes is all about a very convoluted tax code - 501 (c) 4 - I find your comment a bit amusing, Fairmon. Did you read the Forbes article?

Anyway, yes, I believe the 501 (c) 4 code should be clarified, and I agree with the Forbes argument. I especially appreciated the title - Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

I also think the argument that Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington makes a lot of sense. Hopefully, the lawsuit will force the FEC and the politicians to get off their duffs:

"While heads role at the IRS for allegedly picking on Tea Party groups, the agency is being sued by Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) for generally being too easy on 501(c)(4) organizations engaging in politics. . .

The problem CREW sees is with the regulations. It boils down to a two word difference. According to the regulations to qualify under 501(c)(4), your group must be “primarily engaged” in promoting social welfare, while the Code says “operated exclusively” to promote social welfare. The regulation goes on to state:

The promotion of social welfare does not include direct or indirect participation or intervention in political campaigns on behalf of or in opposition to any candidate for public office.

Those two words make a very big difference. You could read the Code to say that a 501(c)(4) should have 0% of its expenditures be on intervention in political campaigns. Arguably the regulations allow 49%."

http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterjreilly/2013/05/18/irs-and-501c4-damned-if-they-do-damned-if-they-dont/

May 18, 2013 at 9:03 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

I honestly fear that easy may be ill.

May 18, 2013 at 9:06 p.m.
jesse said...

O.K. AL,no more snarkin except i ain't makin no promuses about Easy! Easy gets up every morning and paints a big bullseye on his ass and I ain't gonna let that slide unless he changes his attitude!

May 18, 2013 at 9:08 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Plain_Jack_Dennis,

"I honestly fear that easy may be ill."

Ironic coming from the person with the multiple screen names.

May 18, 2013 at 9:10 p.m.
Easy123 said...

jesse,

"Easy gets up every morning and paints a big bullseye on his ass and I ain't gonna let that slide unless he changes his attitude!"

I've been hitting the bullseye on you for a while now. I won't let you slide regardless of what kind of attitude you come up with each day.

I've got your number, jesse. Consider yourself a walking bullseye.

May 18, 2013 at 9:13 p.m.
jesse said...

P.T.!

let it alone man!

Time to move on If you can!

It's like you are trying to make their case!

May 18, 2013 at 9:13 p.m.
jesse said...

Hey Easy! come by and say howdy some time! I'm always there on tuesday to mow the driving range!(if it ain't rainin that is!) Be glad to welcome you to the REAL WORLD!!(also known as a "REALITY CHECK!" LOL ,come on down jerk!!

May 18, 2013 at 9:20 p.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "Jack started this? By calling Easy and Alpo out?"

Sir, the other day, you purposely and without an ounce of provocation from me, broke your newfound protocol since returning to the sandbox, and directed a snarky comment towards me. You know you did. I know you did. The regulars in here know you did.

I fired back with something a bit more personal and a little more intense, to let you know what it feels like. You asked for it.

"That legitimizes them going on line and trying to find derogatory shiz on me?"

Hey...I've told you many times; You play nice and others will do the same. If you insist on throwing snowballs, expect a few lobbed back at you.

"One last time...I've never been bankrupt. Not even close. I've never lived in, around, or near Athens TN. It's bogus as hell."

That's your story and you're sticking to it. Who can blame you? Bankruptcy is not a pleasantry that most people embrace with open arms.

"And Alpo. you saying you've never seen Easy attack anyone is rich. You 2 make me puke with the lies."

Whatever you say Sport. Easy is free to do as he pleases. So is everyone else.

I understand you being a little upset at the moment, but I'll make a deal with you; You leave me alone, and I'll return the favor.

It's all up to you.

May 18, 2013 at 9:20 p.m.
Easy123 said...

jesse,

"Hey Easy! come by and say howdy some time!"

Why don't you come by the house? You know my address.

"Be glad to welcome you to the REAL WORLD!!(also known as a "REALITY CHECK!" LOL"

You'd have another thing coming, old timer. LMFAO!

"come on down jerk!!"

I've been waiting for you to come by for weeks now, coward.

May 18, 2013 at 9:24 p.m.
alprova said...

jesse wrote: "O.K. AL,no more snarkin except i ain't makin no promuses about Easy! Easy gets up every morning and paints a big bullseye on his ass and I ain't gonna let that slide unless he changes his attitude!"

I'll definitely do my part to be more pleasant to everyone.

Ikeithlu, you are my hero!!!

We could all take a lesson from you.

May 18, 2013 at 9:24 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Sorry, Jesse. Just worried about him.

May 18, 2013 at 9:24 p.m.
jesse said...

Bad as i hate to admit it i'm startin to see Al's point in all this mess!

May 18, 2013 at 9:27 p.m.
patriot1 said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=FdJ2trGelbE

But....Obama has complete confidence in this man!

May 18, 2013 at 9:29 p.m.
alprova said...

Easy, I hope not to anger you, and don't take this the wrong way, but the way you're going about all this, is not very productive.

We can all try to tone down the insults and counterproductive exchanges, can't we? I'm sick of such stuff. I would think that you would be too.

Please....please...try to kill 'em with kindness, even when your opponents are not so kind. You'll always come out the winner if you do.

May 18, 2013 at 9:31 p.m.
jesse said...

IF i knew your address easy i woulda done sent the butterfly net dudes by to pick you ass up! You know WHO I AM and WHERE i work so all ya gotta do is SHOW UP AND SHOW WHO YOU ARE!!If you need directions let me know,iWILL provide them!!exactly!

May 18, 2013 at 9:35 p.m.

”Please detail the content of the members of your organization’s prayers.”

That’s right: It was a 21st century IRS Inquisitor’s chilling question for the Coalition for Life of Iowa.

May 18, 2013 at 9:44 p.m.
alprova said...

Patriot1 wrote: "But....Obama has complete confidence in this man!"

Okay then...what is it that you know, that Eric Holder doesn't know?

I posted a couple of questions earlier today that have gone unanswered. Those of you who have our beliefs should surely be able to answer them.

1.) What rights have any of you lost that you once had, before President Obama entered the Oval Office? and;

2.) What are any examples of power that the President has seized that threaten this nation, under any criteria?

I read such charges all the time from some of you. Now is your time to shine by enumerating them.

May 18, 2013 at 9:50 p.m.
jesse said...

For everybody out there that wonders about this kinda stuff and to let all the limp dicks in on the lowdown! My name is "Norman Reece" My mail add. is "nreece9333@netzero.com. I am a former cpd cop and a retired truck driver for shaw ind. I now work part time at brown acres golf course in thre maint. dept. I live on ss and what i make on my part time job!

Ya think ya really wanta see me face to face?Wrong!

The ball is now in Easys court!your play arzhole!!

May 18, 2013 at 9:58 p.m.
Easy123 said...

jesse,

"I am a former cpd cop and a retired truck driver for shaw ind. I now work part time at brown acres golf course in thre maint. dept. I live on ss and what i make on my part time job!"

And you have an arrest record. Aggravated domestic assault, eh?

http://www.bustedmugshots.com/tennessee/chattanooga/james-norman-reece/87141531

"Ya think ya really wanta see me face to face?Wrong!"

Have you seen yourself? LMFAO!

"The ball is now in Easys court!your playarzhole!!"

That ball has always been in your court, ass hole. You know where I live. You can come by any time if you think your old, wrinkly ass wants to see me face to face.

Who am I kidding? You don't have the nuts to do it and you don't want to violate your probation.

May 18, 2013 at 10:15 p.m.
jesse said...

Your shukin and jivin Easy .that ain't gonna gitter done dude!

Time to step up or shut up!

you a star or you a farmer?(old bad company song!)

May 18, 2013 at 10:28 p.m.
Easy123 said...

jesse,

"Your shukin and jivin Easy .that ain't gonna gitter done dude!"

I'm right here, tough guy.

"Time to step up or shut up!"

Ditto, Mr. Aggravated Domestic Assault.

"you a star or you a farmer?(old bad company song!)"

You ain't sh!t, but keep running your mouth. I'm getting a kick out of it.

May 18, 2013 at 10:30 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said ...

Jt wrote - "Its no different than, for example, outing a homosexual to marginalize their message or to harm them financially, socially, or emotionally for positions they hold."

Jackie boy doesn't work for a living, and thus, has no position to marginalize.


You really should read and try to comprehend the posts you reply to so that your responses have some sort of coherence. I didn’t say anything about marginalizing someone’s work position. You seem to have contempt for those that have put in their time and earned a little time to rest. I understand that you believe in that fairy tail Karma so I can only hope there is something to it and you will get your wish that it is true and you get your just and deserved rewards.

May 18, 2013 at 10:36 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Alprova and Easy123-

Well?

May 18, 2013 at 10:38 p.m.
Easy123 said...

jt6_quoque,

Well?

May 18, 2013 at 10:43 p.m.
jesse said...

Hey Easy .i've lived a life ,had my ups and downs! some good and some not so good! Been thru some domestic shat and came out still friends w/my exes so what can i say!If all you can come up with is "me and my exes didn't see eye to eye? your right ! we didn't! SO???

May 18, 2013 at 10:48 p.m.
fairmon said...

alpro ask....

1.) What rights have any of you lost that you once had, before President Obama entered the Oval Office? and;

The major right lost has been the option of not having a health care policy without paying a fine or so called tax.

2.) What are any examples of power that the President has seized that threaten this nation, under any criteria?

He did attempt to load the NLRB with an end run that was found to be not appropriate.

His failure to use the power vested in him may be a larger threat than seizing of power. Between him and Bush the number of young Americans crippled by missing limbs and other life altering injuries is beyond belief. The worry about collateral damage and other politically correct B.S. caused far too many of our young men and women their life. We are either at war or we are not. Get aggressive and unmerciful or get out. My preference would be start packing and moving out today. I have no sympathy for those in those corrupt countries and certainly no interest in trying to change or financially support them.

May 18, 2013 at 10:51 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

jesse said...

IF i knew your address easy i woulda done sent the butterfly net dudes by to pick you ass up! You know WHO I AM and WHERE i work so all ya gotta do is SHOW UP AND SHOW WHO YOU ARE!!If you need directions let me know,iWILL provide them!!exactly!


You are in no danger from Easy123. Anybody that will spend two days boasting how he's going to out another poster's personal information because that poster made him mad and then when called on it craw-fishes lacks any self respect. He's as light as a feather in the breeze.

May 18, 2013 at 10:54 p.m.
Easy123 said...

jt6_quoque,

"You are in no danger from Easy123."

YOU might be though... :-)

"Anybody that will spend two days boasting how he's going to out another poster's personal information because that poster made him mad and then when called on it craw-fishes lacks any self respect."

I already provided that information, sweetheart.

Try again. :-)

"He's as light as a feather in the breeze."

A little self-awareness from you? We all know your M.O. And we all know how quickly you get put in timeout when you act up. You're barking up the wrong tree, fido.

To quote you: LMFAO!

May 18, 2013 at 10:59 p.m.
alprova said...

JT wrote: "Alprova and Easy123-Well?"

It's over. Butt out.

May 18, 2013 at 11 p.m.
Easy123 said...

jesse,

"If all you can come up with is "me and my exes didn't see eye to eye? your right ! we didn't! SO???"

I had no clue not seeing "eye to eye" was called aggravated domestic assault. Also, I had no clue you could get arrested and booked for not seeing eye to eye?

Learn something new everyday!

May 18, 2013 at 11:08 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

With all due respect, ALPO, your little buddy is crazy as a bedbug. Regards, PT.

May 18, 2013 at 11:12 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Plain_Jack_Dennis,

"With all due respect, ALPO, your little buddy is crazy as a bedbug."

Get real, person with three screen names.

May 18, 2013 at 11:15 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Easy123 said...

jt6_quoque,

Well?


Come on Easy123 why don't you get all up in my grill and threaten me and give me some of that bad boastful talk like you do Jesse or Plain Truth.

Could it be you realize there are posters that know not "who" you are but "what" you are and that to you is the greater fear. It is exposed by many posts you make and you can't mask it no matter your attempts to do so. There is always points in the posting record where you allow the curtain to slip away.

Alprova realized that he got in too deep and the best thing was to throw himself on the mercy of the court and seek forgiveness . As disingenuous as it was he did exhibit some sense of self preservation of his on-site persona. You on the other hand?

May 18, 2013 at 11:15 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

JT wrote: "Alprova and Easy123-Well?"

It's over. Butt out.


You wish.

Coward!

May 18, 2013 at 11:19 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Jt6_quoque,

"Come on Easy123 why don't you get all up in my grill and threaten me and give me some of that bad boastful talk like you do Jesse or Plain Truth."

The last time that happened, you got banned. LMFAO!

And, if you haven't noticed, you're the one that's been talking sh!t. Give me some more of that bad girl talk and see if you can get a rise out of me. Go on, sweetheart. I'm right here waiting.

"Could it be you realize there are posters that know not "who" you are but "what" you are and that to you is the greater fear."

What is it that I am? You, madam, haven't the slightest clue who or what I am. You can keep living in your fantasy world where you think you know something, but let me assure you, you don't know a thing about me.

"It is exposed by many posts you make and you can't mask it no matter your attempts to do so."

You've been exposed to severely that the TFP took it upon itself to delete every previous post you ever made and forced you to take on a different screen name. You can't mask who you are no matter how much you try to be cordial. You're the same troll that tries to get a rise out of people. You've already lost the battle you were fighting.

"There is always points in the posting record where you allow the curtain to slip away."

Keep telling yourself that, tu. Your God Complex and false sense of you ability to judge people is of no consequence to me. And that will be the case no matter how much you mistakenly believe you know.

"Alprova realized that he got in too deep and the best thing was to throw himself on the mercy of the court and seek forgiveness."

Alprova didn't throw himself at anyones mercy or seek forgiveness from anyone here. Who do you think you are, psycho?

"As disingenuous as it was he did exhibit some sense of self preservation of his on-site persona. You on the other hand?"

Go on?

May 18, 2013 at 11:22 p.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "The major right lost has been the option of not having a health care policy without paying a fine or so called tax."

I see. So by that, I am left to assume that you support the current system of health care, which only thrives if those without health care insurance and/or who refuse to pay for their health care costs, are allowed to milk the taxpayers through governmental payments to health care providers?

"He did attempt to load the NLRB with an end run that was found to be not appropriate."

That's a very weak example of a seizure of power. Recess appointments have been a controversy for nearly every President.

It's not over yet.

"His failure to use the power vested in him may be a larger threat than seizing of power. Between him and Bush the number of young Americans crippled by missing limbs and other life altering injuries is beyond belief."

Although I am very anti-war, I understand that President Obama could not simply walk in the door and order all the troops to pack up and come home. Agreements were in place and signed before GWB left office. He was duty bound to honor those agreements. And he did, to the letter.

"The worry about collateral damage and other politically correct B.S. caused far too many of our young men and women their life. We are either at war or we are not. Get aggressive and unmerciful or get out. My preference would be start packing and moving out today. I have no sympathy for those in those corrupt countries and certainly no interest in trying to change or financially support them."

I'm in full agreement, but you and I don't make those decisions, and as I pointed out, the President could not have waved a magic wand nor could he have issued an executive order to end or alter the time line in either nation. Our presence in both nations was and is under contract and those contracts were signed prior to January 20, 2009.

May 18, 2013 at 11:22 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Not sure I've ever seen a more willful, wanton, mean spirited s.o.b. than this kid. I tried to tell you people that for months, but nooooo.

May 18, 2013 at 11:23 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Easy123 said...

jt6_quoque,

"You are in no danger from Easy123."

YOU might be though... :-)


Yeah right.

You going to talk mean to me?

You going to out my personal information?

You boasted that you were going to post someone's personal information, the person gave you the O.K to post what you had, and you couldn't even accomplish that so what can you do to me except bore me to death with your blowhard attitude.

May 18, 2013 at 11:24 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Plain_Jack_Dennis,

"Not sure I've ever seen a more willful, wanton, mean spirited s.o.b. than this kid."

Have you looked in the mirror? Have you read joneses, JonRoss, timbo, zableedofisterix, jesse or the artist formerly known as tu_quoque's posts? You're the "willful, wanton, mean spirited s.o.b." that has done nothing but troll other posters since you started posting and have done so under three different aliases in order to keep your trolling ways alive. You've successfully described yourself. Your friend jt6 used to call in "self-awareness".

"I tried to tell you people that for months, but nooooo."

Spare me of your bullsh!t.

May 18, 2013 at 11:27 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Jt6 said... "got in too deep and the best thing was to throw himself on the mercy of the court and seek forgiveness . As disingenuous as it was..."

Who the hell do you think you are, to write something like that? That's the funniest serious statement I've read in a good while! Keep those "sitting in judgement" lines coming, 6gram!

May 18, 2013 at 11:29 p.m.
Easy123 said...

jt6_quoque,

"Yeah right."

You never know... ;-)

"You going to talk mean to me?"

Are you going keep talking mean to me?

"You going to out my personal information?"

Are you going to find out my personal information?

"You boasted that you were going to post someone's personal information, the person gave you the O.K to post what you had, and you couldn't even accomplish that so what can you do to me except bore me to death with your blowhard attitude."

I already posted that information, Queen Blowhard.

Let me quote you again: LMFAO!

May 18, 2013 at 11:31 p.m.
alprova said...

JT wrote: "You wish. Coward!"

Am I supposed to be bothered by that?

Darlin'...I don't answer to you. As much as you would just love to, you're not going to get a rise out of me.

Buzz off!!

May 18, 2013 at 11:33 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Easy. I don't see them going on the internet in an attempt to destroy people. You're one sick pup.

May 18, 2013 at 11:33 p.m.
AndrewLohr said...

Obama may be drunk on power; I wonder what we posters are drunk on?

Alprova, pushing for and signing a 2000+ page bill that has generated 10,000+ pages of regulations obviously takes power from Main Street and gives it to bureaucrats; and health and health insurance are not things our Constitution gives Congress power to regulate, unlike, say, privately owned and operated warships, which Congress may indeed regulate.

May 18, 2013 at 11:37 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Easy123 said ...

And, if you haven't noticed, you're the one that's been talking sh!t. Give me some more of that bad girl talk and see if you can get a rise out of me. Go on, sweetheart. I'm right here waiting.


Now you're going and just a little more you will be at the peek of over-ripeness.

Easy, all of those thing you just think you know but your proof is a little bit out of your reach. It's just like the information you think you have on Plain Truth. You are so sure you know it is true but you just can't pull the trigger because you have that debilitating doubt that if you do it will jump up and bite you.

I on the other hand know and have proved you to be a coward for all of the posters to see for themselves.

Come on Easy ... do it.

You know you've got the info correct ... do it ... Coward!

May 18, 2013 at 11:37 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Now he's ragging on Jesse's records. The kid is noxious.

May 18, 2013 at 11:40 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Plain_Jack_Dennis,

"Easy. I don't see them going on the internet in an attempt to destroy people."

How does one get "destroyed" via public information? I feel sorry for you if you can get "destroyed" from a Google search.

"You're one sick pup."

You're delusional.

May 18, 2013 at 11:41 p.m.
dude_abides said...

jesse! I salute you for posting that personal info! I am impressed, but still not completely sold. I'm gonna need that SS number and any bank account passwords you're not too secretive about. Come on, get it off your chest. Post it NOW. lol

May 18, 2013 at 11:43 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Jt6,

"Now you're going and just a little more you will be at the peek of over-ripeness."

Keep telling yourself that, sweetheart.

"Easy, all of those thing you just think you know but your proof is a little bit out of your reach."

Isn't that what I just said about you? Come on, lady.

"It's just like the information you think you have on Plain Truth. You are so sure you know it is true but you just can't pull the trigger because you have that debilitating doubt that if you do it will jump up and bite you."

I already pulled the trigger, but you just keep talking.

"I on the other hand know and have proved you to be a coward for all of the posters to see for themselves."

You haven't proved a single thing, sweet cheeks. All the posters here can't see what you truly are. Your posts were so egregious that your previous existence was erased from the TFP.

But keep acting like you've done something. I always like to watch you writhe around.

"Come on Easy ... do it."

You're a weird little thing, aren't you? :-)

"You know you've got the info correct ... do it ... Coward!"

I already did it.

And you call me a "blowhard"? "Blowhard" is your maiden name.

May 18, 2013 at 11:45 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Plain_Jack_Dennis,

"Now he's ragging on Jesse's records."

I haven't ragged jesse's records. I simply posted them.

"The kid is noxious."

LMFAO!

May 18, 2013 at 11:47 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Mia Love Announces 2014 Candidacy. good for her

May 18, 2013 at 11:50 p.m.
alprova said...

JT wrote: "Alprova realized that he got in too deep and the best thing was to throw himself on the mercy of the court and seek forgiveness . As disingenuous as it was he did exhibit some sense of self preservation of his on-site persona."

Ma'am, it was never my intention to "out" the true identity of anyone.

I have asked no one to forgive me for a thing. I'm simply sick and tired of people who cannot refrain from offering unprovoked insults and inflammatory comments.

I fired up my flame-thrower for a little while. It has now been doused and put away.

My only plea to the "court" is my personal pledge to be nice to everyone from now on and to completely ignore those who do not want to be nice.

I hope others who sometimes forget how to be nice towards others, even in the heat of discussion, will join me in that pledge.

Can't we all just get along?

May 18, 2013 at 11:50 p.m.
Easy123 said...

alprova,

I'll be nice to everyone except Jt6gR3hM. I'm going to be REALLY nice to her.

May 18, 2013 at 11:54 p.m.
alprova said...

AndrewLohr wrote: "Alprova, pushing for and signing a 2000+ page bill that has generated 10,000+ pages of regulations obviously takes power from Main Street and gives it to bureaucrats; and health and health insurance are not things our Constitution gives Congress power to regulate, unlike, say, privately owned and operated warships, which Congress may indeed regulate."

While there are many people who feel as you do, the Supreme Court has ruled that ObamaCare is perfectly legal and a justifiable Federal program implemented under the General Welfare clause of the U.S. Constitution.

As such, it shall be going into full effect over the next few years.

I have no doubt that there will be many bumps in the road before all the kinks are ironed out, but I am confident that in the end, most people in this nation will find benefit from it.

Those of us who could not find health care coverage through any existing insurer, at any price, are already benefiting from ObamaCare, and I'm sure that many would feel that my support is biased, and maybe it is, but at this point, I see great things to come for most Americans as a result of ObamaCare.

May 19, 2013 at 12:06 a.m.
carlB said...

fairmon said... Grid lock is good and it is good that they keep airing the dirty laundry of the other party. Right now the republicans are on offense but it won't be long until they are on defense for something and the democrats are on offense. carlB you have my comment confused with that of nucanuck.

Reply: to.fairmon, I apologize for not separating what you said from what you said nucanuck said. Some times it is not easy to separate.

Hope I have it right this time?
Have to disagree with you on what you say about the "grid lock." There is a time and place for everything, but with this Republic on the verge of another great depression in September 2008 before President Obama was elected, there WAS not any "grid lock"/stalemate occurring against the Bush W. administration when He was begging for $700 Billion Dollars TARP money for as Bush W. has said, "to prevent a possible world wide great depression. He certainly, along with the other Republicans, did not want another great depression occurring on his watch. He put a BAND AID on the condition until President Obama took over the Presidency. Then all hell broke lose from the Republicans against Obama. If you don't have an opinion on what the Republicans have done since Obama has been elected and now reelected as to whether the voters were convinced to vote for creating a "grid lock" in the US House when under the conditions we did not need any stalemates or grid locks when we needed jobs creared.

May 19, 2013 at 1:54 a.m.

alprova said...

I posted a couple of questions earlier today that have gone unanswered. Those of you who have our beliefs should surely be able to answer them.

1.) What rights have any of you lost that you once had, before President Obama entered the Oval Office? and;

2.) What are any examples of power that the President has seized that threaten this nation, under any criteria?

I read such charges all the time from some of you. Now is your time to shine by enumerating them.

I posted detail after detail after detail, and you haven’t addressed a single one. You are willfully ignorant. No evidence will ever persuade you to abandon your infatuation with a naïve and ineffective president. Love is blind, and you are smitten.

May 19, 2013 at 11:31 p.m.
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