published Sunday, May 26th, 2013

The Pitfall

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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AndrewLohr said...

Picture his own hand on the saw: he's dug his own hole.

May 26, 2013 at 12:11 a.m.
Salsa said...

Still trying to blame others for Obama's bad choices. Typical.

May 26, 2013 at 12:17 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

This is simply conjecture from Left Wingers that are just wishing this is going to be true.

It's misdirection at its finest. The Roadrunner GOP has him watching the saw as his own people are forced to cut the rope holding the 16 ton weight hanging over his Wile E. Coyote head.

May 26, 2013 at 12:24 a.m.
alprova said...

Good one Mr. Bennett.

As usual, the consensus of opinion, thus far, proves that they are not very observant.

May 26, 2013 at 12:39 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova

Once again with that whistling sound going over your head.

Maybe you will have someone explain it to you ... then maybe even that wouldn't help in your case.

May 26, 2013 at 1:01 a.m.
alprova said...

JT wrote: "alprova, Once again with that whistling sound going over your head."

No my dear. This one went straight over YOUR head, and apparently is still in flight.

"Maybe you will have someone explain it to you ... then maybe even that wouldn't help in your case."

You are eternally a legend in your own mind, but you're excellent at cutting and pasting articles that support whatever position you decide to take on any given day.

May 26, 2013 at 1:10 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

It did?

Pray tell how so?

May 26, 2013 at 1:21 a.m.
fairmon said...

I agree with Alprova, Obama knew nothing about any of these things before he read or heard them in the news. We probably don't agree on what that says about the president and those he chose to head up various departments. Should it concern people more that he was not aware of any of these things, including the risk of Benghazi and the denial of added security. Would it be better if he knew regardless of the opinion one has of the event?

May 26, 2013 at 4:16 a.m.
hambone said...

No matter how hard they try, the GOP can't make anything stick to "The Teflon Pres"

May 26, 2013 at 5:31 a.m.
degage said...

Wow, so Obama's legacy is Teflon. Doesn't say much for him, still blaming everyone else but himself. If he didn't want to take responsibility for anything he should have remained a community organizer.

May 26, 2013 at 6:06 a.m.
degage said...

Many of you say the Government is so big he couldn't know everything. That tells me government is way to big. It is his job to know what the different departments are doing and control his officials, not fly all over hells half acres trying to convince everyone to believe in him.

May 26, 2013 at 6:14 a.m.
jesse said...

I think maybe Eric Holder is the saw operator w/Hillery holding the ladder for him!!

The Repubs. are like caged lions and the Dems. keep throwin t-bones at them! What do you expect them to do??

May 26, 2013 at 6:20 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Lefties: Two possibilities: He's either the biggest liar since Nixon, or he's the dumbest s.o.b. ever to occupy 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Take your pick.

May 26, 2013 at 7:54 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

http://www.realclearmarkets.com/articles/2013/05/24/now_the_gibson_guitar_raids_make_sense_100343.html

“The inexplicable raid nearly two years ago on a guitar maker for using allegedly illegal wood that its competitors also used was another targeting by this administration of its political enemies.

On Aug. 24, 2011, federal agents executed four search warrants on Gibson Guitar Corp. facilities in Nashville and Memphis, Tenn., and seized several pallets of wood, electronic files and guitars.

In one raid, the feds hauled away ebony fingerboards, alleging they violated Madagascar law. Gibson responded by obtaining the sworn word of the African island's government that no law had been broken.

In another raid, the feds found materials imported from India, claiming they too moved across the globe in violation of Indian law. Gibson's response was that the feds had simply misinterpreted Indian law.

Interestingly, one of Gibson's leading competitors is C.F. Martin & Co. According to C.F. Martin's catalog, several of their guitars contain "East Indian Rosewood," which is the exact same wood in at least 10 of Gibson's guitars. So why were they not also raided and their inventory of foreign wood seized?

Grossly under-reported at the time was the fact that Gibson's chief executive, Henry Juszkiewicz, contributed to Republican politicians. Recent donations have included $2,000 to Rep. Marsha Blackburn, R-Tenn., and $1,500 to Sen. Lamar Alexander, R-Tenn.

By contrast, Chris Martin IV, the Martin & Co. CEO, is a long-time Democratic supporter, with $35,400 in contributions to Democratic candidates and the Democratic National Committee over the past couple of election cycles.

Gibson, fearing a bankrupting legal battle, settled and agreed to pay a $300,000 penalty to the U.S. Government. It also agreed to make a "community service payment" of $50,000 to the National Fish and Wildlife Foundation - to be used on research projects or tree-conservation activities.

The feds in return agreed to let Gibson resume importing wood while they sought "clarification" from India.

Juszkiewicz' claim that his company was "inappropriately targeted" is eerily similar to the claims by Tea Party, conservative, pro-life and religious groups that they were targeted by the IRS for special scrutiny because they sought to exercise their First Amendment rights to band together in vocal opposition to the administration's policies and the out-of-control growth of government and its power.

The Gibson Guitar raid, the IRS intimidation of Tea Party groups and the fraudulently obtained warrant naming Fox News reporter James Rosen as an "aider, abettor, co-conspirator" in stealing government secrets are but a few examples of the abuse of power by the Obama administration to intimidate those on its enemies list.”

May 26, 2013 at 8:10 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

^^^ Pure conjecture, speculation, coincidence, and so forth.

May 26, 2013 at 8:16 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

By Michael A. Walsh:

If you want to see the true face of the Obama administration, you need look no further than the president’s embattled attorney general, Eric Holder.

By turns whiny, shifty, obfuscatory, petulant, insulting and arrogant, Holder has become a fixture before congressional investigating committees, fending off one Obama scandal after another, while proclaiming that he — the nation’s top cop — doesn’t know anything about anything and highly resents any implication that he does.

Indeed, all the Obama scandals — the murderous gunrunning scheme called Fast and Furious, the secret monitoring of the Associated Press and Fox News reporter James Rosen (personally approved by Holder), even the Internal Revenue Service’s targeting of conservative and Tea Party groups for special scrutiny — find their nexus at the top of the Justice Department.

Numerous Republican congressmen have called for his resignation, and now some on the left have as well. Liberal Web site the Huffington Post finally lost it over the Rosen affair Friday, and listed some of his other sins in its call for his head: “Easy on banks, tough on peace activists . . . soft on mortgage settlement, sanctioned drones . . .”

So if everybody hates Eric, what’s holding him up? Normally, inconvenient officials are blithely given the heave-ho, and there’s still ample room under the Obama bus for another body or four. It’s also customary for cabinet officials to depart after the first term (see: Clinton, Hillary) as part of a general reshuffling. But not Holder.

The reason is simple: Holder is the id to the president’s massive ego, busily helping to bring about the president’s wish for the “fundamental transformation” of America from his post at Justice. Along with super-ego Valerie Jarrett, Obama’s chief consigliere and all-around Madame Defarge, he’s likely to be among the last to go.

Still, this month has been the worst on record for Obama and his henchmen, a veritable parade of villains trashing the First Amendment, taking the Fifth on live television and continuing to do their level best to make sure the truth about the Benghazi catastrophe never comes out.

Foremost among them were the IRS’s Lois Lerner, the Vito Genovese of tax collectors (now enjoying a taxpayer-funded “administrative leave”), proclaiming her innocence in the government’s scheme to harass and punish conservatives and then clamming up like a cheap hood and hiding behind the Constitution; and Jay Carney, the hapless press secretary-turned-punching bag, sheltering in place behind the podium as his former colleagues in the media — furious that their profession has landed on the enemies list — beat up on him.

May 26, 2013 at 8:19 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Just in: President Obama has appointed Jerry Sandusky to investigate the Boys Club.

May 26, 2013 at 8:42 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Jt6gR3hM says: "This is simply conjecture from Left Wingers that are just wishing this is going to be true."

No, I don’t think you’ve been paying attention to what has been occurring. As I was just saying to someone on another thread, hate speech, government shutdowns, debt defaults, fiscal cliffs, endless filibusters and divisive attempts to disenfranchise voters are all destructive acts that undermine our democratic way of governing. Indeed, who needs foreign terrorists to destroy this nation when you have a large group of Republican obstructionists taking up space in Congress?

May 26, 2013 at 8:43 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Why is it that when there is dispute about the role, limits, and application of governance the Left Wing is always so quick to label as obstructionist anyone that will not agree entirely to their point of view.

I guess it's due to the fact that no one would play with them when they were kids because of their perpetual ill tempered ways. As a result they never learned the necessary social skills of "playing well with others."

May 26, 2013 at 8:56 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

By George F. Will:

Notice the scant attention being given to an assault on civil liberties by the misconceived Education Department’s misnamed Office for Civil Rights (OCR).

Responding to what it considers the University of Montana’s defective handling of complaints about sexual assaults, OCR, in conjunction with the Justice Department, sent the university a letter intended as a “blueprint” for institutions nationwide when handling sexual harassment, too. The letter, sent on May 9, encourages adoption of speech codes — actually, censorship regimes — to punish students.

UCLA law professor Eugene Volokh, a specialist in First Amendment jurisprudence, notes that the OCR-DOJ’s proscriptions are “not limited to material that a reasonable person would find offensive.”

The Supreme Court has held that for speech or conduct in schools to lead to a successful sexual harassment lawsuit, it must be sufficiently severe and pervasive to create a hostile environment. And it must be “objectively offensive” to a reasonable person.

But, Volokh notes, the OCR-DOJ rules would mandate punishment for any individual’s “conduct of a sexual nature,” conduct “verbal, nonverbal or physical,” that is not objectively offensive to a normal person. This means any conduct “unwelcome” by anyone.

The OCR-DOJ “blueprint” requires, Kaminer says, colleges and universities to hear harassment complaints under quasi-judicial procedures “that favor complainants.”

Under 2011 rules that establish a low standard of proof, Kaminer says, “students accused of harassment are to be convicted in the absence of clear and convincing evidence of guilt, if guilt merely seems more likely than not.”

And schools are enjoined to “take immediate steps to protect the complainant from further harassment,” including “taking disciplinary action against the harasser”prior to adjudication.

So the OCR-DOJ “blueprint” and related rules not only violate the First Amendment guarantee of free speech but are, to be polite, casual about due process.

Most of academia’s leadership is too invertebrate and too soggy with political correctness to fight the OCR-DOJ mischief. But someone will. And it is so patently unconstitutional that it will be swiftly swatted down by the courts. Still, it is useful idiocy because, coming right now, it underscores today’s widespread government impulse for lawless coercion — the impulse that produced the Internal Revenue Service’s suppression of political speech that annoys the Obama administration.

Like the IRS abuses of power, the OCR-DOJ initiative demonstrates how permeated this administration is with disagreeable people with dangerous intentions. So the administration is making conservatism’s case against the unlimited arrogance that is both a cause and a consequence of unlimited government.

May 26, 2013 at 9:03 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Laurel: Republicans were woefully short on obstructionists at crunch time on Obama Care...The biggest boondoggle ever made into law.

May 26, 2013 at 9:14 a.m.
hambone said...

The GOP/TEA is about to explode from within!!!

May 26, 2013 at 9:46 a.m.
hambone said...

Ted Cruz, what an idiot.

Tail Gunner Joe all over again.

May 26, 2013 at 9:47 a.m.
degage said...

nooga, so now you admit you think Obama is God. You did say your lord and savior didn't you?

May 26, 2013 at 9:57 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Jt6gR3hM says: "Why is it that when there is dispute about the role, limits, and application of governance the Left Wing is always so quick to label as obstructionist anyone that will not agree entirely to their point of view."

Nice try, but the evidence strongly suggests that you’re ignoring reality, Jt6gR3hM. Indeed, when the leader of political party states that “The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president,” you know that you’re dealing with a sick political party that has lost its way and no longer cares about this Nation.

In this case, the Republicans have repeatedly demonstrated that obstructionism comes before duty to this Nation and its citizenry: they’ve blocked or delayed a record number of the President’s cabinet level and judicial nominees; they’ve filibustered and attempted to block a wide range of much needed legislation such as increased transparency in campaign finance, wall street reform, banking reform, and healthcare reform. They even tried to block the expansion of the State Children's Health Insurance Program (S-Chip) to four million more American kids, the renewal of the Violence Against Women Act and The American Jobs Act would have created between 1.3 and 2 million jobs for our citizenry.


And then, of course, there is all of the hate speech and destructive juvenile threats related to government shutdowns, debt defaults, fiscal cliffs, and their divisive attempts to disenfranchise voters. Again, who needs foreign terrorists to destroy this Nation when you have a group of obstructionist Republicans taking up space in the U.S. Congress?

May 26, 2013 at 9:58 a.m.
jesse said...

Hey Nooga"

get your heart right and Max might take you to the Honors and play ya for some SERIOUS bucks!!!

May 26, 2013 at 10:03 a.m.
jesse said...

M.L. that is always the goal of the "OUT" party!

Ya think the dems. didn't want to make "

Dubya" a one term pres.?

Talking about "reality" i think that ANYONE that has faith in ANY politician or politicl party has lost touch w/reality!

May 26, 2013 at 10:08 a.m.

Love Ted Cruz. Has no problem taking on his own party, and Obama. Poor, poor, Barack, so tough for him not having everyone agree with him.

Obama is a hater, he deserves everything he gets. He's a spoiled pothead brat who was raised by anti-americans. He's better off being the head of a banana republic.

There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with wishing Obama would only be a one term president. NOTHING. You lefties love to repeat something over and over in an attempt to make it fact. Everyone who isn't for dear leader Obama is either a racist, hates this country or is only thinking about themselves. Garbage. Obama is many things at different times: a statist, a tyrant, a communist, a socialist, a bully, a liar, and mostly a hater of this country. Look at his "press conference", you'll find more openness and transparency at a Kim Jong-Un new conference.

May 26, 2013 at 10:13 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

mountainlaurel ... again with the chanting?

“The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president,”

I guess if you left wingers are going to post it every day I’ll just have to recycle as well.


From Politifacts:

President Barack Obama ... in his weekly address on Oct. 30, 2010

"That’s why I found the recent comments by the top two Republican in Congress so troubling. The Republican leader of the Senate said his main goal after this election is simply to win the next one." We're fact-checking the last part, the claim that "the Republican leader of the Senate said his main goal after this election is simply to win the next one."

It's based on a comment Sen. Mitch McConnelll made in an interview with the National Journal's Major Garrett on Oct. 29, 2010: "The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president."

So McConnelll said it. But we think some further context is in order.

McConnell said he had been studying the history of presidents who suffered big defeats in midterm elections in Congress, but then won re-election in two years anyway. McConnelll said he doesn't want Republicans to repeat the same mistakes that allowed that to happen.

"After 1994, the public had the impression we Republicans overpromised and underdelivered," McConnell said. "We suffered from some degree of hubris and acted as if the president was irrelevant and we would roll over him. By the summer of 1995, he was already on the way to being re-elected, and we were hanging on for our lives."

McConnell said Republicans need to treat the midterm elections as "the first step in retaking the government."

It was in that context that McConnell said, "The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president."

Garrett asked if that meant "endless, or at least frequent, confrontation with the president?"

Said McConnell, "If President Obama does a Clintonian backflip, if he’s willing to meet us halfway on some of the biggest issues, it’s not inappropriate for us to do business with him."

In other words, in the very same interview, McConnell said that he'd be willing to work with Obama if Obama is "willing to meet us halfway." That's called compromise. And that sounds very much in the spirit of Obama's call to "seek out common ground."

As for McConnell's comment "The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president," that sounds an awful lot like Obama's summation that "his main goal after this election is simply to win the next one."

But while McConnell said it, Obama left out an important detail -- that McConnell also said in the same interview that he is willing to meet the president halfway. That leads us to a ruling of Half True.


Its always more fun when you take it out of context ... Right?

May 26, 2013 at 11:04 a.m.
Maximus said...

Nice ears Clay but the IRS Thug Class Warfare Income Redistribution King is skinnier, more like Steve Irkle. No, I think the Republicans are on target this time. Be sure to call your Congressmen and Senators at 202-224-3121 on Tuesday or sometime next week and request an Independent Counsel Investigation of the IRS.

As for the immigration debate is it not sad that the Democrats are over the moon about granting amnesty to 30 million illegals so that they can register them as Dummycrats by promising a loser life of disability, EBT Cards, baby formula vouchers, Obama Da Pimp Phones, student loans, and the low income subsidy. Most Democrats are obese and have horrific BO also......ha ha....just messing with ya Rickaroo and Alprova. America....Land Of The Free Because Of The Brave! Remember Benghazi and Hillary Clinton May You Rot In Hell!

May 26, 2013 at 11:07 a.m.
alprova said...

You folks just don't get it.

Of course the party of opposition of who is in the White House wants to make the President a one term prospect. That goes WITHOUT saying.

But Mitch McConnell orated clearly that it was the SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT THING that the party wanted to achieve.

And as everyone should be keenly aware, they worked legislatively to attempt to achieve that goal.

What strides can anyone point to that the Republicans have made to attempt to pass laws that would help this nation move forward?

What have the Republicans offered people like myself a reason to pause for so much as a minute and think that my vote should go for them?

We hear all the time that Obama is this evil little man who is ruining the country. Ok...fine. Let's set that aside for a moment.

Why should I consider voting for a single Republican, given their current disregard for anything and everything that they promised they would do, if elected?

Congressional approval has been slithering on the ground like a snake for almost a decade. Why would I vote for one of those people to promote any of them as President?

I'm serious in asking these questions. I really want someone to make a case that my vote has been misplaced.

May 26, 2013 at 11:15 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Jesse says: "M.L. that is always the goal of the "OUT" party!"

I believe you’re attempting to minimize what has been occurring with these Republicans, Jesse. Indeed, I can’t recall any conduct that even comes close to what we’ve been seeing from some of these crazy Republican representatives. Clearly, these people do not care what happens to this Nation. Even some people within the Republican Party have been forced to come forward and challenge their crazy, unprincipled and irresponsible political crap:

“New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R) lit into House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) and House Republicans Wednesday for not holding a vote on a Hurricane Sandy relief bill.

"There is only one group to blame for the continued suffering of these innocent victims: the House majority and their speaker, John Boehner," he said. "This is not a Republican or Democratic issue. Natural disasters happen in red states and blue states and states with Democratic governors and Republican governors. We respond to innocent victims of natural disasters, not as Republicans or Democrats, but as Americans. Or at least we did until last night. Last night, politics was placed before oaths to serve our citizens. For me, it was disappointing and disgusting to watch." . .

"Last night the House of Representatives failed that most basic test of public service, and they did so with callous indifference to the suffering of the people of my state," said Christie. "Sixty-six days and counting -- shame on you. Shame on Congress. Despite my anger and disappointment, my hope is that the good people in Congress -- and there are good people in Congress -- will prevail upon their colleagues to finally, finally put aside the politics and help our people now."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/02/chris-christie-sandy_n_2396537.html

May 26, 2013 at 11:16 a.m.

I don't know what you lefties are bitching about. Obama has gotten his way. His agenda has gone forward. What do you want, 100% compliance and obedience to the dear leader?

Christie is a kiss up. If he was critical of Obama in any way you would trash him. What you lefties are uncomfortable with is the 1st amendment. You feel only you're entitled to it.

May 26, 2013 at 11:24 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Bennett seems to actively pursue distractions and avoid important issues.

I guess we might as all join the ranks of the trivial and uninformed...

Is Obama gaining a little weight there? I hope none of that saw dust gets on his shoes! He looks so nice other than that little paunch thing he has going.

May 26, 2013 at 11:39 a.m.
chet123 said...

listen to these right-wing nuts........only one things they are consistent on during....and its kissing the rich and greedy romp!HA HA HA!

May 26, 2013 at 11:49 a.m.
degage said...

Not to worry about a little sawdust, he will have a soldier wipe them off like he had one hold the umbrella over his head, unlike other presidents in the past, they held their own.

May 26, 2013 at 11:51 a.m.
rick1 said...

Al, you keep forgetting to mention that Harry Reid has not brought bills to the senate floor for votes either.

If you are going to cast blame then be honest and blame both sides.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/reid-laughs-prospect-bringing-gop-bills-votes-senate

May 26, 2013 at 11:53 a.m.
chet123 said...

JESSE SAID ERIC HOLDER IS THE SAW OPERATOR.......HEY JESSE NICE SPIN....MAKING THE RIGHT-WING HATER THE VICTIMS,,HA HA HA HA HA......HEY JESSE WHEN YOU CANT BET THEM ...YOU JUST MAKE UP A PIG-HEAD LIE!.....NICE TRY JESSE....BUT I GOT YOU BUDDY! HA HA HA

May 26, 2013 at 11:53 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Zableedofisterix says: "Christie is a kiss up. If he was critical of Obama in any way you would trash him. What you lefties are uncomfortable with is the 1st amendment. You feel only you're entitled to it."

Sure, sure. . . Like the Republicans care about democracy? . . . No, their ongoing efforts to disenfranchise voters clearly shows us how little the Republicans care about true democracy. Speaking of which, John Dean has written a good commentary on this subject:

"With some amazement, I have been reading of the GOP’s newest (and ongoing) efforts to disenfranchise voters who are not likely to support them.

I found an excellent updated summary by Ari Berman of The Nation, who always does an excellent job of reporting on this subject. As Berman notes, “The continued push to restrict the right to vote reveals the extent to which conservative power remains deeply embedded in the states, thanks to the 2010 election and subsequent aggressive gerrymandering by GOP state legislatures to protect their majorities.”

Here are Berman’s findings for the current 2013 efforts, which fall into distinct categories: (1) States where the GOP seeks to require government-issued photo identification to vote: AR, CT, IA, IL, MA, MY, MO, NE, NV, NJ, NM, NY, NC, OK, VA, WA, WV, WY. (2) States where the GOP seeks to restrict voter registration drives: IL, IN, MT, NM, VA. (3) States where the GOP is seeking to ban election-day voter registration: CA, MN, MT, NE. (4) States where the GOP wants to require proof of citizenship to register to vote: MA, MO, NV, OK, OR, SC, TX, VA. (5) States where the GOP seeks to purge voter rolls: CO, IN, NM, TX, VA. (6) States where the GOP seeks to reduce early voting: AZ, IN, SC, TX, WI; and (7) the state where the GOP seeks to disenfranchise former felons: VA.

Another effort by Republicans is focused on reviving the 2011-2012 effort to rig the Electoral College so that a GOP presidential candidate might lose a statewide popular vote but still win electoral votes from gerrymandered GOP Congressional districts. This revived effort has been most noticeable in Pennsylvania, where the state senate’s GOP leader has been pushing such a plan. Former Democratic Pennsylvania Governor Ed Rendell has been tracking this and keeping voters aware of this scheme, and so far he has thwarted it.

Clearly, there is a nationwide GOP push to continue to try to rig the system. To say that it is disingenuous is too kind. It would be more accurate to say it is downright un-American, because these people have forgotten, if they ever knew, the basics of our democracy."

http://verdict.justia.com/2013/04/05/republicans-ongoing-desperation

May 26, 2013 at 11:59 a.m.
alprova said...

Regarding JT's two and a half year old Politifact cut and paste:

"McConnell said he had been studying the history of presidents who suffered big defeats in midterm elections in Congress, but then won re-election in two years anyway. McConnell said he doesn't want Republicans to repeat the same mistakes that allowed that to happen."

Apparently, the Republicans DID make the same mistakes that allowed President Obama to win his second term.

"..."After 1994, the public had the impression we Republicans overpromised and underdelivered," McConnell said. "We suffered from some degree of hubris and acted as if the president was irrelevant and we would roll over him. By the summer of 1995, he was already on the way to being re-elected, and we were hanging on for our lives."..."

Which EXACTLY describes their current situation as well.

"McConnell said Republicans need to treat the midterm elections as "the first step in retaking the government."..."

And here we are two and a half years later and they have control of one out of three branches.

"It was in that context that McConnell said, "The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president."..."

That point is quite moot and so is any "context" in which it was presented, now isn't it?

"..."If President Obama does a Clintonian backflip, if he’s willing to meet us halfway on some of the biggest issues, it’s not inappropriate for us to do business with him."..."

There has been no "halfway meeting" in four and half years, with the possible exception of raising tax rates on the top 1% of income earners.

"But while McConnell said it, Obama left out an important detail -- that McConnell also said in the same interview that he is willing to meet the president halfway. That leads us to a ruling of Half True."

But my dear, there has not been any meeting halfway with the President on anything but one major issue. That was two years into his first term and it was uttered just before the mid-term elections.

Nothing, and I do mean nothing, has passed out of the House that would begin to be considered bi-partisan legislation since the Republicans have been in charge of that one branch of Government.

For eight months, meaningful legislation has been on hold and our days are filled with faux scandals, hearings, accusations, presumptions of guilt, raised voices, etc., which has only been rivaled throughout history by Republican Joseph McCarthy, whose inability to substantiate HIS claims led him to be censured by the United States Senate.

I very much liken Darrell Issa to that man.

McCarthy's bitterness, hate, and personal quest to eradicate everything and anything that even smelled like Communism, led him to an early grave at the age of 48.

How many people will die early deaths for their intense hatred of President Obama?

May 26, 2013 at 12:01 p.m.
alprova said...

rick1 wrote: "Al, you keep forgetting to mention that Harry Reid has not brought bills to the senate floor for votes either."

I've been fairly consistent in saying that Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi need to go. I have no use for either one of them.

They are both partisan to an extreme, arrogant to the nth degree, and just as obstructive and quite guilty of making ignorant comments routinely.

"If you are going to cast blame then be honest and blame both sides."

PLEASE....copy and paste the above, so that I am not accused of not recognizing Democrats who are equally in need of new careers.

May 26, 2013 at 12:09 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Alpo says "How many people will die early deaths for their intense hatred of President Obama?" Now, to add to Alpy's loooong resume (CPA, Pollster, Salesman extraordinaire, financial planner, Party hack, Life Planner & Adviser, Wikipediest, Wedding Planner & notary public), he's now an actuary too. There's simply no stopping the man.

May 26, 2013 at 12:32 p.m.
degage said...

One thing I notice about Obama is he seems to be likeable just like most con artist. I've been thinking that, now I've said it.

May 26, 2013 at 12:38 p.m.
rick1 said...

Plain Truth, the question should be how many people will die early deaths because of ObamaCare?

May 26, 2013 at 12:38 p.m.
jesse said...

P.T. ya gonna keep stirin shat and gitum back on yar arz!

Keep in mind it flies both ways!!

Al has been nice and Easy ain't been around so there ya go!!

May 26, 2013 at 12:41 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Jesse. Very hard to let Alpo's hoky blather pass.

May 26, 2013 at 12:52 p.m.
patriot1 said...

How many will miss mortgage payments and car payments when the IRS starts raiding bank accounts to pay for Obamacare....and it's going to happen......we've only seen what is perceived to be the upside to Obamacare thus far.

May 26, 2013 at 12:53 p.m.
jesse said...

No need to make it personal!

May 26, 2013 at 12:53 p.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "Now, to add to Alpy's loooong resume"

Sir, if you must be snarky with your commentary, at least have the decency to tell the truth.

Let's take this one at a time.

CPA - I've been a Certified Public Accountant since 1983.

Pollster - I've never claimed to have been involved in conducting one poll. I certify the results.

Salesman extraordinaire - I love selling.

financial planner - Nope. Never. I audit and administer retirement plans. I leave the planning to the professionals.

Party hack - Which one? The only Democrats I have voted for are those running for President. Republicans got every other one of my votes.

Life Planner & Adviser - I have no idea where that one comes from.

Wikipediest - Have I ever quoted from Wikipedia? You bet, and so have many other people. Have I ever written one word on the site? Nope.

Wedding Planner - Huh?

notary public - How did you know this to be true? I don't recall ever disclosing that one.

actuary - While certain aspects of what I do depends on actuarial assessments, I professed no projections in asking the question that apparently spawned your latest retort.

I asked a question.

You are already past prime time, so what are you worried about?

Hate away...

May 26, 2013 at 1:29 p.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "Jesse. Very hard to let Alpo's hoky blather pass."

Ya' just can't not read what I write, can you?

I'm honored.

May 26, 2013 at 1:33 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Jt6gR3hM says: "Its always more fun when you take it out of context ... Right?"

Who are you trying to fool? We know when these obstructive seeds were sown by the Republicans – on the evening of President Obama’s inauguration:

“The evening of January 20, 2009 . . . after attending the swearing in, a group of 15 Republican leaders attended a by-invitation-only dinner meeting in a private dining room of the Caucus Club Restaurant in Washington, DC.”

"At a time when the economy was already deep in recession combined with a banking and housing crisis and we were losing approximately 750,000 jobs a month, Republican leaders came up with the following strategy to regain the White House:"

- Challenge Obama and the democrats on every single bill

- Show UNITED and UNYIELDING opposition to the President’s ECONOMIC policies

- Attack Obama relentlessly in 2011, blaming him for the poor economy

”The exclusive guest list included the following : Rep. Eric Cantor (R,VA-7), Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R,CA), Rep. Paul Ryan (R,WI), Rep. Pete Sessions (R,TX), Rep. Jeb Hensarling (R,TX), (Ex) Rep. Pete Hoekstra (R,MI), Rep. Dan Lundgren (R,CA) , Sen. Jim DeMint (RSC), Sen. Jon Kyl(R,AZ), Sen.Tom Coburn (R,OK), (Ex) Sen. John Ensign (R,NV), Sen. Bob Corker (R,TN), Fred Barnes (Exec. Editor for the Weekly Standard and Fox News political commentator), Newt Gingrich (former Speaker of the House [R-GA], Fox News political analyst, and 2012 Republican candidate for president), as well as Frank Luntz (conservative communications strategist).”

http://open.salon.com/blog/brokenwing/2012/06/20/republicans_commit_economic_sabotage_while_press_sleeps

May 26, 2013 at 1:34 p.m.
degage said...

PT, you just can't help yourself. You only have Al to hassle now since Easy has decided to take a vacation or he was forced to take one.

May 26, 2013 at 1:39 p.m.
degage said...

Laurel, in 2009 republicans couldn't do jack since the Dems had both house and senate for 2 years. They had the votes to put anything through they wanted and republicans couldn't do anything about it. That is how Obamacare was pushed through. Now Obama uses other means to get his regulations. Where did you hear about this secret meeting of 15 republicans? I never heard of it.

May 26, 2013 at 1:48 p.m.
jesse said...

Hey degage? Ya think they mighta "banned" Easy??

I fig. he 's prepin for final exams .him bein in grad school and all!!

May 26, 2013 at 2:01 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

deegage: I can't help myself. Plus, I'm just misunderstood.

May 26, 2013 at 2:02 p.m.
degage said...

School is out Jesse, College classes have been out for a couple of weeks.

Laurel I read your link and realized it was a liberal blog, so I certainly can't believe it.

May 26, 2013 at 2:07 p.m.
alprova said...

Patriot1 wrote: "How many will miss mortgage payments and car payments when the IRS starts raiding bank accounts to pay for Obamacare....and it's going to happen......we've only seen what is perceived to be the upside to Obamacare thus far."

Do you really think that it's going to really go down like that?

Nobody's bank accounts are going to be raided.

Have you even taken the time to inform yourself to how the mandate will be implemented?

First of all, anyone who currently has health care coverage has not a thing to concern themselves with. Whether it is employer sponsored or paid for out of your own funds, you are in full compliance.

When you file your tax return, there will be an added line or two where you will claim the amount of health care premiums you have paid for the applicable tax year. Any amount of premiums paid by your employer for health care coverage will be listed on your W-2 and automatically reported to the IRS.

When you file your taxes by April 15, 2015 for year 2014, if you are a single person, remained uninsured, the amount of health care related taxes that will be deducted from your refund, or that you will owe, will be $95.00 or 1% on any income over the amount of income that requires you to file a tax return. Currently, an individual must file a return if you earn more than $9,500. Married couples are required to file if they earn more than $19,500.

Thusly, if you are single, earn $30,000 a year, the penalty tax will be $205.00.

Married or have children? No family will ever pay more than 3X the per-person penalty, regardless of how many people are in the family.

2015 - The penalty rises to 2% or $325 per person.

2016 - The penalty plateaus at 2.5% or $695 per person.

Now, if you earn less than 133% of Federal Poverty Level, the maximum one will have to pay for health care insurance, is 2% of their income. If you earn 150% above the FPL, 3%-4%. If you earn 200% above the FPL 4%-6.3%. 250%? 6.4%-8.4%. 300%? 8.05-9.5%. 400% or more? 9.5%.

Health insurance plans are to cover 94% of costs for persons who have incomes at 100-150% of FPL, 87% for those with incomes up to 200% of FPL, 73% for those with incomes up to 250% of FPL, and 70% for those with incomes up to 400% of FPL.

May 26, 2013 at 2:19 p.m.
degage said...

Your link for this, Al. Found it on my own, that means a family of 4 could pay up to 2085.00 penalty and still have no insurance. The penalty doesn't mean they will be covered, right?

May 26, 2013 at 2:28 p.m.
rick1 said...

Al, said "First of all, anyone who currently has health care coverage has not a thing to concern themselves with. Whether it is employer sponsored or paid for out of your own funds, you are in full compliance."

You might want to read this article as it appears your statement might not be completely accurate.

http://www.omaha.com/article/20130526/NEWS0802/705269985/1677

May 26, 2013 at 2:42 p.m.
rick1 said...

Al, I know you have said that you were able to purchase Health Insurance through the Pre Existing Insurance Plan in the State of Georgia.

Just a heads up, you may want to read the section with the bullet point "Parts of the law all ready failing." Did not know if aware of this? If not, you may want to research this with the State.

http://blog.heritage.org/2013/05/18/this-weeks-reasons-to-repeal-obamacare/

May 26, 2013 at 2:52 p.m.
Maximus said...

Alprova if you are indeed a CPA which I doubt you must be a mobster CPA to have voted for Obama. The documented quote where Obama states that he feels that the U.S. Constitution is a list of "negative liberties" is enough for me to advise all not only to fight against the Obama transformation administration but to support those that block his progress. It is over for Obama. His so called greatest accomplishment Pelosicare is imploding with even the unions asking out of the IRS enforced health plan. OK enough, back to my Mark Levin book at the beach.

May 26, 2013 at 2:52 p.m.
anniebelle said...

file://595 x 395 | 28KB | blogs.e-rockford.com

May 26, 2013 at 2:58 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Roger Ailes yet retains the high moral and legal ground over President Obama

By David Zuirawik The Baltimore Sun

The Obama White House has been trying to de-legitimize Fox News almost from the day it took office. Remember the media blitz of 2009 launched by then White House Communications Director Anita Dunn?

Ailes ... memo sent to the Fox newsroom. Read it below, and try to tell me he's not right.

It shows Ailes brilliantly and righteously claiming the moral high ground over an Obama administration that has once again demonstrated a truth I first wrote a month after Obama was sworn in: He and his administration have more contempt for the press and disregard for the First Amendment than any president since Richard Nixon. I wonder what Constitution it is exactly that Obama's such an expert on.


The recent news about the FBI’s seizure of the phone and email records of Fox News employees, including James Rosen, calls into question whether the federal government is meeting its constitutional obligation to preserve and protect a free press in the United States. We reject the government's efforts to criminalize the pursuit of investigative journalism and falsely characterize a Fox News reporter to a Federal judge as a "co-conspirator" in a crime.

I know how concerned you are because so many of you have asked me: why should the government make me afraid to use a work phone or email account to gather news or even call a friend or family member? Well, they shouldn’t have done it. The administration’s attempt to intimidate Fox News and its employees will not succeed and their excuses will stand neither the test of law, the test of decency, nor the test of time. We will not allow a climate of press intimidation, unseen since the McCarthy era, to frighten any of us away from the truth.

I am proud of your tireless effort to report the news over the last 17 years. I stand with you, I support you and I thank you for your reporting with courageous optimism. Too many Americans fought and died to protect our unique American right of press freedom. We can’t and we won’t forget that.

To be an American journalist is not only a great responsibility, but also a great honor. To be a Fox journalist is a high honor, not a high crime. Even this memo of support will cause some to demonize us and try to find irrelevant things to cause us to waver. We will not waver.

As Fox News employees, we sometimes are forced to stand alone, but even then when we know we are reporting what is true and what is right, we stand proud and fearless. Thank you for your hard work and all your efforts.

Sincerely,

Roger Ailes

(cont)

May 26, 2013 at 3:52 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

(cont)

What the White House is doing is truly in a league with Nixon. The difference is that we now have a dumbed-down, wimped-out and suck-up press compared to the one Nixon faced. And what passes for media criticism is, in the main, even more spineless and pathetic.

Too many of the press folks, especially in Washington, are all too happy to kiss up to the White House rather than doing their jobs as Rosen has. Or, maybe they just don't have his dedication and courage.


I bet it just makes you left wingers sick to know that he is allowed to not only write statements like this on the internet but to run a T.V. cable news network that lays the Left Wing channels low.

May 26, 2013 at 3:53 p.m.
Maximus said...

KY Senator Mitch McConnell is one of the many Red State heroes in D.C. Along with Red State TN Senators Corker and Alexander. Deceitfulness is another reason why I could never support a lying Welfare Pimp like Obama. Everyone knows that the ultimate goal of Obamacare is a single payer system which will be a nightmare for the United States. Medicaid and Medicare are both loaded with fraud and bankrupt think what a single payer system would look like. Besides taking over 1/6th of the private sector economy Obamacare single payer would shut down the research, innovation, and excellence of the for profit private sector healthcare system. Anyone that has survived a heart attack or beaten cancer over the past several decades has the American, research based, for profit healthcare system to thank, not the NIH or some fat salaried guvment employee. Alprova and others are living in a socialist utopia past where no one ever gets their feelings hurt and you are taken care of from cradle to grave. Not on my watch. Not in the USA! Alprova the bean counter. Figures, bet he worked fo de guvment. Surfs up y'all. FU to all Obama supporters ! Fatty Lefty Atheist Losers kiss my ass!!

May 26, 2013 at 4:15 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Kathleen Sebelius, Meet Oliver North

From wsj.com:

Major news outlets in recent days have reported that U.S. Department of Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius is raising money from the private sector—including from health-care executives—for use by a private entity that is helping to implement ObamaCare.

The entity, Enroll America, is run by a former White House aide. The Washington Post quoted an HHS spokesman last week saying, "We requested additional money [from Congress] . . . but we didn't receive any additional funding for the exchanges. So we had to come up with Plan B."

My immediate thought was: Isn't "Plan B" what got Oliver North in trouble during the 1980s?

A select Joint Committee of Congress investigated what became known as Iran-Contra. The problem was not just where the money came from, but also where and how it was spent.

Article I of the U.S. Constitution does not permit government officials to spend money that Congress has refused to authorize or appropriate. Federal laws such as the Anti-Deficiency Act make this behavior unlawful.

The report of the bipartisan majority of the Iran-Contra Select Committee summarized the law in November 1987: "The Constitution does prohibit receipt and collection of such funds by this government absent an appropriation. This appropriation may not be evaded by use of a nominally private entity if the entity is in reality an arm of the government and the government is able to direct how the money is spent."

The report also said: "Congress's exclusive control over the expenditure of funds cannot legally be evaded though the use of gifts or donations to the executive branch. Were it otherwise, a president whose appropriation requests were rejected by Congress could raise money through private sources or from other countries for armies, military actions, arms systems or even domestic programs." Note: even domestic programs.

(cont)

May 26, 2013 at 4:33 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

(cont)

The Obama administration is not the first to chafe under these restraints, but it has been among the most flagrant in ignoring them.

To avoid scrutiny by appropriations committees, the administration seems to have created more czars than the Romanovs. It has propounded far-reaching executive orders—on immigration, for example—and used a simple waiver authority to impose new federal education mandates on states, in effect, turning the U.S. Department of Education into a national school board.

To circumvent the Senate's constitutional role to advise and consent on nominations, President Obama has made so-called recess appointments when the Senate wasn't in recess—appointments that two federal appellate courts agreed would be unconstitutional.

Is Ms. Sebelius raising funds for a private entity and then coordinating with that entity to do something Congress has refused to authorize, or for which it has refused to appropriate funds? And is she raising money from organizations she regulates, in violation of ethics laws?

If the money being raised by Ms. Sebelius is being spent to do an end-run around Congress, then the Obama administration had better brush up on its Iran-Contra history.

May 26, 2013 at 4:34 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

^^^^ ALpo will go bat-shiz crazy searching for refutations of the above story. Bwahahahaha

May 26, 2013 at 4:39 p.m.
Maximus said...

Alprova a Jew Boy CPA! There is at least one in every gangster/mafia movie I have ever seen. Remember the guy, Hymie Weinberg or something like that where Michael Corleon set him up to take a hit in Cuba. The IRS lier Schulman also reminds me of a corrupt Jew Boy CPA. Before people go ape crap crazy about the term Jew Boy it is term of endearment from the old South. As I've stated before I'm black and I have heard things like, "come on its time to go see that Jew Boy downtown to buy you some new jeans for school"! Ahhh nostalgia it's cool.

May 26, 2013 at 4:50 p.m.
alprova said...

degage wrote: "Your link for this, Al. Found it on my own, that means a family of 4 could pay up to 2085.00 penalty and still have no insurance. The penalty doesn't mean they will be covered, right?"

Covered by a policy? That remains to be seen. Medical providers will bill the Government for their care and the taxes or fines, if you will, are considered health care premiums.

The likely scenario is that "deadbeats" will be folded into a Federal exchange insurer until they decide to seek their own coverage.

May 26, 2013 at 6:26 p.m.
alprova said...

rick1 wrote: "You might want to read this article as it appears your statement might not be completely accurate."

Look...bantering back and forth about what may or may not happen with employer sponsored insurance coverage is quite pointless today.

Fear, rumor, unsubstantiated predictions are all over the place. Expected final rules and answers are expected by this fall.

Why not wait until then to really get into all this?

May 26, 2013 at 6:31 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Degage says: “Where did you hear about this secret meeting of 15 republicans? I never heard of it. . . . Laurel I read your link and realized it was a liberal blog, so I certainly can't believe it.”

Like Fox News or any of those right wing news folks would report on a secret meeting of Republican mob bosses. . . . Get serious, Degage. . . Anyway, if you would like to read more about this secret meeting of the Republican thugs, I suggest you read Robert Draper’s book Do Not Ask What Good We Do: Inside the U.S. House of Representatives.

Perhaps, I should also mention that there are a number of Republicans who have spoken out against the obstructive and rigid behavior of the Republicans. Former California Governor Schwarzenegger, Governor Christie, David Brooks, Ross Douthat, Sen. Olympia Snowe, Norman Ornstein have all pleaded for a more inclusive and cooperative party. And earlier today, I noted that a former Republican Senator is also disgusted:

"I think they ought to put a sign on the [Republican] national committee doors that says 'closed for repairs' until New Year's Day next year and spend that time going over ideas and positive agendas. . . It seems to be almost unreal that we can't get together on a budget or legislation.” [Former Kansas Senator Bob Dole]

May 26, 2013 at 6:43 p.m.
alprova said...

rick1 wrote: "Al, I know you have said that you were able to purchase Health Insurance through the Pre Existing Insurance Plan in the State of Georgia."

"Just a heads up, you may want to read the section with the bullet point "Parts of the law all ready failing." Did not know if aware of this? If not, you may want to research this with the State."

Georgia is one of the states to suspend enrollment, and yes I was aware of it. I expect that situation to improve when healthy individuals are coerced into buying health care coverage, so that we people who are chronically sick are not hogging all the resources.

My current health care costs, which are quite extensive at the moment, are being off-set and are being comped, through my voluntary participation in medical research trials, which involves taking two new medications that show promising results in reversing organ damage, that are going on right here in Chattanooga.

So...PT...add "Guinea Pig" to my current resume.

May 26, 2013 at 6:44 p.m.
rick1 said...

Al, you can call it bantering but the fact employers in some cases will be cutting workers hours so they do not have to provide insurance or employers will keep employment under 50 employees. In the article I posted above by Robert J. Samuelson he reports many firms are revising their business models to minimize insurance costs. One favorite idea: Hold workers below the 30-hour weekly threshold requiring insurance. Many part-time employees who work more (say, 35 hours a week) will lose hours. One adviser discussed a movie-theater chain that will keep most staff below the threshold. Many restaurants and hotels may do likewise. Similarly, companies are striving to stay below the 50-employee ceiling that triggers the insurance mandate. Another adviser mentioned a client, an engineering firm with 48 workers, that had deliberately restrained expansion.

A report by the CBO says millions will lose their insurance under ObamaCare'

You can call it fear, rumor but I call ObamaCare is a disaster and Obama lied when he said it will keep costs down and you can keep the plan you currently have.

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/finance/2013/February/CBO-Millions-to-Lose-Insurance-Under-Obamacare/

May 26, 2013 at 6:53 p.m.
carlB said...

ALL I See/read FROM from all of PRESIDENT OBAMA'S fravorite enemies are the same ole repeats. The only thing that the enemies of President Obama HAVE to "run on" IS to BASH him and find fault, even if it was for the conditions that they caused before he was elected.

The objectives and actions by the Republicans should be considered treasonous under the economic conditions of this Republic. Due to the effects of 2007 deep recession, we were on the verge of another great depression in September 2008 and if President Obama had failed and the Country went into another "great depression" what would have happened to the strength of our Republic? Therefore, the enemies of President Obama that are causing the obstructionism, have prevented a full recovery of the 2007 deep recession. Time is of the essence. Going backwards into another great depression, similar to the one in 1929 is not an option to consider. Therefore, what have the Republicans and the other enemies of President Obama learned since the 1929 great depression? They are causing the obstructionism, have prevented a full recovery of the 2007 deep recession. Time is of the essence. Going backwards into another great depression, similar to the one in 1929 is not an option to consider.

May 26, 2013 at 6:53 p.m.
fairmon said...

Someone posted....

Mitch McConnell orated clearly that it was the SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT THING that the party wanted to achieve.

At the time it was an inappropriate statement if that is the full context, which I doubt. However, it is beginning to look like it may have been one of the most insightful positions taken.

alprova posted....

First of all, anyone who currently has health care coverage has not a thing to concern themselves with. Whether it is employer sponsored or paid for out of your own funds, you are in full compliance.

Do you recall the promise that those who have health care now will be able to keep what they have, the AHCA will have no impact on them? How many people do you want to know that have a different experience than that promised?

May 26, 2013 at 6:53 p.m.
rick1 said...

Al, I'm glad to hear the medications are showing positive results.

May 26, 2013 at 6:59 p.m.
fairmon said...

Republican hater mountain laurel said......

For eight months, meaningful legislation has been on hold.

What meaningful legislation proposed by Obama that would reduce unemployment through private sector employment and improve the economy is being held up? What is proposed by any branch or either party that would achieve such an improvement?

May 26, 2013 at 6:59 p.m.
alprova said...

Maximus wrote: "The documented quote where Obama states that he feels that the U.S. Constitution is a list of "negative liberties" is enough for me to advise all not only to fight against the Obama transformation administration but to support those that block his progress."

Let's all have a look at what he said, that you're "documented" quote was lifted from;

"If you look at the victories and failures of the civil rights movement and its litigation strategy in the court, I think where it succeeded was to invest formal rights in previously dispossessed people, so that now I would have the right to vote."

"I would now be able to sit at the lunch counter and order as long as I could pay for it I’d be o.k. But, the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth, and of more basic issues such as political and economic justice in society.'

"To that extent, as radical as I think people try to characterize the [Earl]Warren [Supreme]Court, it wasn't that radical. It didn't break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the founding fathers in the Constitution, at least as its been interpreted and Warren Court interpreted in the same way, that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties."

"It Says what the states can't do to you. It says what the Federal government can't do to you, but doesn't say what the Federal government or State government must do on your behalf, and that hasn't shifted and one of the tragedies of the civil rights movement was, because the civil rights movement became so court focused I think there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalition of powers through which you bring about re-distributive change. In some ways we still suffer from that."*

"It is over for Obama."

Everyone has their dreams. Rarely do any of them come true.

May 26, 2013 at 6:59 p.m.
alprova said...

Maximus wrote: "Alprova a Jew Boy CPA!"

Like I said...Little Hitlers.

May 26, 2013 at 7:01 p.m.
degage said...

Al, thankfully back in the 90's when I started a job that offered insurance I enrolled , due to a heart condition I had to pay for a year without any incidents to be covered. I have been covered ever since. Now on Medicare it is a bit more costly but I'm not complaining.

May 26, 2013 at 7:05 p.m.
rick1 said...

Al said "I expect that situation to improve when healthy individuals are coerced into buying health care coverage, so that we people who are chronically sick are not hogging all the resources."

Please read this article as it explains why people, especially younger adults will not purchase health insurance.

http://news.investors.com/021913-644948-will-only-suckers-buy-obamacare-coverage.htm?p=full

May 26, 2013 at 7:11 p.m.
alprova said...

rick1 wrote: "Al, you can call it bantering but the fact employers in some cases will be cutting workers hours so they do not have to provide insurance or employers will keep employment under 50 employees."

And as I have stated several times, there are Chicken Littles all over the place, flapping their wings and reacting prematurely to predictions that the sky is falling as a result of ObamaCare.

"A report by the CBO says millions will lose their insurance under ObamaCare'"

And if that is so, then guess what? The solution will be a nationalized plan to replace employer sponsored insurance. How many people have been predicting that has been the ultimate goal all along?

If there are employers out there, who are that determined to not offer enticements to recruit a good workforce, let them suffer the consequences. Let them go out of business, for all I care.

Nobody is forcing them to compete for workers, for customers, for anything. If they want to deal with the problems that keeping a staff of part-time workers will present to them, go for it.

I predict that most will see the light within six months and return to finding a way to restore that competitive edge, if they want to stay in business.

"You can call it fear, rumor but I call ObamaCare is a disaster and Obama lied when he said it will keep costs down and you can keep the plan you currently have."

The first major implementation of the plan is not slated to go into effect for another 7 months. Until then, people are making uneducated guesses as to what will happen.

May 26, 2013 at 7:13 p.m.
alprova said...

rick1 wrote: "Please read this article as it explains why people, especially younger adults will not purchase health insurance."

Rick, I'm truly not interested in reading articles, predicting that which has not even been laid on the table. Why?

Insurers, later this year, are predicted to roll out insurance pooling programs that will offer rates to everyone, that will be in compliance with the provisions outlined in ObamaCare.

Insurance as we currently know it, will become a dinosaur.

Again...why not wait until the final plans are laid on the table, and then let's hash it all out.

Until then, we're only debating predictive quantities, not yet in evidence.

May 26, 2013 at 7:21 p.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "Do you recall the promise that those who have health care now will be able to keep what they have, the AHCA will have no impact on them? How many people do you want to know that have a different experience than that promised?"

I've addressed that many times.

Anyone who has employer sponsored health care coverage is not in charge at any time, nor allowed to keep what they have, if their employer makes changes.

Only those who pay 100% of their health care premiums get to keep what they want at all times.

Yes...the President should have been more clear, but then, you'd think that people could figure that one out for themselves.

May 26, 2013 at 7:26 p.m.
alprova said...

Rick1 wrote: "Al, I'm glad to hear the medications are showing positive results."

For me personally, the jury is still out on that. I've been stable for four months with no improvement so far, but my next set of labs is coming up this Wednesday.

The side effects of the medications I am on are horrible some days. Other days, I tolerate them well.

Keeping my fingers crossed.

May 26, 2013 at 7:32 p.m.
rick1 said...

Al, best of luck to you.

May 26, 2013 at 7:34 p.m.
degage said...

Al, the uneducated only believe it will all be free. What happens when they find out nothing in this world is free, someone has to pay. In the long run they do also. Just common sense.

May 26, 2013 at 7:35 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

I strongly condemn the "jew-boy" comment.

May 26, 2013 at 7:41 p.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "Republican hater mountain laurel said......"

"For eight months, meaningful legislation has been on hold."

Sir, that was my statement.

"What meaningful legislation proposed by Obama that would reduce unemployment through private sector employment and improve the economy is being held up?"

Sir, the President does not introduce legislation. That is the job of Congress.

"What is proposed by any branch or either party that would achieve such an improvement?"

Well, let's see. The last major attempt by the Democrats to boost jobs in the private sector, was shot down by the Republicans.

The "Bring Jobs Home" bill, which would have provided a 20% tax credit to companies that move production back to the United States, and that would have ended a tax break that businesses are currently allowed to claim when closing a plant located in the states, when moving abroad, was defeated by the Republicans 10 months ago.

All but four of the Senate's 47 Republicans voted against it.

60 votes were needed to advance the legislation. It failed by four votes.

Mitch McConnell whined at the time that Democrats were denying his party the opportunity to amend the bill. Senator Orrin Hatch dismissed the bill as a "talking point for President Barack Obama's re-election campaign."

It was a sensible piece of legislation that should have been a no-brainer for everyone to get on board with, but because of that pesky promise to work to make Obama a one-term prospect, Republicans sat on their asses and went against their own ideals to not allow anything that could improve the economy to pass.

May 26, 2013 at 7:55 p.m.
alprova said...

degage wrote: "Al, the uneducated only believe it will all be free."

What exactly are you referring to? Where does "free" fit in to anything we have discussed today?

May 26, 2013 at 7:58 p.m.
prairie_dog said...

Okay, so a bunch of corrupt, power-hungry politicians are trying to get back at a bunch of corrupt, power-hungry politicians. Obama's supporters have raised the bar on political in-correctness, from the IRS lady to the poll worker who committed election fraud in Ohio, "to make sure her vote would count."

All of us, on both ends of the spectrum, are the losers. When the rest of the voting population finally figures it out, maybe we'll elect some leaders and actually get some stuff done that's good for the country AND the people.

May 26, 2013 at 7:59 p.m.
alprova said...

rock1 wrote: "Al, best of luck to you."

Thank you kind Sir.

May 26, 2013 at 7:59 p.m.
alprova said...

prarie_dog, I think most people will agree with your post. I know I do.

May 26, 2013 at 8:05 p.m.
klifnotes said...

Maxine said... Jew Boy it is term of endearment from the old South. As I've stated before I'm black and I have heard things like, "come on its time to go see that Jew Boy downtown to buy you some new jeans for school"! Ahhh nostalgia it's cool


If you're really black you would know the term n#@@er was once considered a term of endearment too. J-boy IS considered a derogatory term. I don't know of any true black person that's survived and lived through all kinds of discrimination, oppression and most all other forms of hostilities and brutalities who would sink so low as to make light by using derogatory terms against another person or group that has suffered the same or worst. Either you are an imposter, posing as a black person, or you are tragically stupid and dangerously ignorant for all oppressed people of the world, and especially fellow blacks. I'd rather believe you are an imposter* posing as a black person.

May 26, 2013 at 8:27 p.m.
degage said...

I'm referring to a girl that works at a store near me saying she believes Obamacare will be free health care. When I tried to tell her nothing is free, she informed me Obama said so. He may not have said that but she believes he did. That is why she voted for him. someone convinced her and she will be sorely disappointed when she finds out it isn't so. Free has nothing to do with Obamacare but their are those that believe it does. Just like the woman in Detriot that thought Obama was going to pay for everything out of his stash.

May 26, 2013 at 8:31 p.m.
alprova said...

degage, there are ignorant people on both sides of the aisle. Ignorance, sometimes exposed, makes for hilarious entertainment, but at the same time, it is no laughing matter.

In a perfect world, everyone would be informed, and capable of making reasonable decisions when voting in any election, but we don't live in a perfect world.

You are one of the more reasonable people who participates in this forum. I know you don't like the President, but you are reasonable in your objections and as far as I can recall, have never been disrespectful or guilty of dispensing intentional misinformation.

One only needs to look at what one "conservative" poster offered earlier today, to see what kind of ignorance is lingering in the minds of some;

"As for the immigration debate is it not sad that the Democrats are over the moon about granting amnesty to 30 million illegals so that they can register them as Dummycrats by promising a loser life of disability, EBT Cards, baby formula vouchers, Obama Da Pimp Phones, student loans, and the low income subsidy."

Education and information needs to improve for many people and not just for those who vote for Democrats.

May 26, 2013 at 8:54 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

klifnotes said...

I don't know of any true black person that's survived and lived through all kinds of discrimination, oppression and most all other forms of hostilities and brutalities who would sink so low as to make light by using derogatory terms against another person or group that has suffered the same or worst.

Either you are an imposter, posing as a black person, or you are tragically stupid and dangerously ignorant for all oppressed people of the world, and especially fellow blacks. I'd rather believe you are animposter* posing as a black person.


Well there is this:

by MIKE FLYNN

Almost a week after hearing an inflammatory speech from the Rev. Louis Farrakhan, Dem Rep. John Conyers issued a statement on Thursday condemning the speech and apologizing for his attendance. The walk-back was likely prompted after the Drudge Report highlighted Conyers' attendance at the virulently anti-Semitic speech.

Conyers said, “Farrakhan made unacceptable racist, anti-Semitic, and homophobic statements.” The congressman's statement also said he condemns the remarks “in the strongest possible terms.”

In a speech last Friday at a Detroit area church, the Nation of Islam leader denounced "Satanic Jews" and the "synagogue of Satan" which Farrakhan said control major institutions in the country. He also said that President Obama had "surrounded himself with Satan...members of the Jewish community."

Farrakhan also defended recently convicted, former Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick, claiming that "white" politicians were guilty of much worse crimes.

It is good that Conyers has condemned Farrakhan's hateful remarks. One only wishes it didn't take an embarrassing Drudge headline to spark his action.

May 26, 2013 at 10:24 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

by WYNTON HALL

On Wednesday, House hearings on the Internal Revenue Service’s (IRS) political targeting of conservative groups uncovered a startling revelation about the interview process used to construct the Inspector General’s report:

Obama donor-turned-IRS director of tax exempt organizations Holly Paz sat in on 36 of 41 interviews with IRS employees.

“Why was Holly Paz... in almost all of the interviews you conducted?” asked Rep. Mark Meadows (R-NC). “Why would you have someone from the IRS in those meetings? Is that proper protocol?” “I am unaware of it,” said Inspector General J. Russell George. “This is the first I’ve heard this.”

George then requested time to research the revelation. “This is the first time that I was made aware of this,” said George.

George then clarified he and his agency performed an audit, not an investigation.

“The operative word, Mr. Chairman, is audit,” said George. “It was not conducted as an investigation.”

Still, Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-MD) seemed unsettled that Paz was allowed to sit in on the IG’s interviews of IRS employees.

“Usually when you are conducting an investigation—I know this was an audit, I got that—you want to keep your witnesses separate because you’re in search of the truth and you are trying to make sure there’s no advantage of a person hearing what somebody else said,” said Cummings. “That’s pretty standard procedure.”

George ultimately conceded to Cummings that, “in hindsight, given this matter, obviously this seems somewhat unusual. I need to do a little more research.”

Cummings pressed on, suggesting that Paz’s reason for sitting in on interviews may have been to protect herself or the IRS.

“It sounded like Ms. Paz felt like she needed to be in the room because she wanted to be able to defend herself—or the agency, I don’t know—based on what may have been said or the information gathered in that interview,” said Cummings.

House Oversight Chairman Darrell Issa (R-CA) read testimony from Paz. Issa said Paz claimed the IG auditors left the room for a short time at the end of each interview so investigators could ask any additional questions.

Issa said Paz claimed either she or the recently removed IRS director of the tax-exempt unit, Lois Lerner, brokered the unusual interview scheme.

“Yes I believe... I can’t remember if I made the request or Lois Lerner made the request,” said Paz. “But we discussed that in order for the IRS to be able respond to the report we had to understand what information TIGTA [Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration] had and what they were being told.”

In 2008, Holly Paz donated $2,000 to the Obama campaign.

May 26, 2013 at 10:34 p.m.
alprova said...

Maximus left a post at 11:00 last night;

Maximus wrote: "Mr. Alprova, A. I don't have a job, I own several businesses and have multiple ways to express my correct, on target opinions anywhere and any time I wish."

Sure you do.

"B. You proved my point that you, like your gay fantasy lover Obama, are truly bound to your socialist ideal of class warfare and income redistribution in order to make this country mediocre and fair."

I'm all for capitalism, and in fact practice it every single day, but at the same time I recognize the need for good paying jobs for the middle class, who are likely to stimulate our capitalistic enterprises. I support social programs for the truly disabled, the sick, the elderly, and the poor.

"You abide by this utterly boring, simple minded philosophy due to your own failures and lack of ambition in life."

Sir, I will meet you anytime, anywhere for a side-by-side comparison to determine who is truly a failure and who lacks ambition. My e-mail address is public on this website.

"C. As for education, I would guess that you attended guvment public school were most likely a bullied National Honor Society student but non-athlete and never went to college ."

Oh I went to public schools alright, but I also put myself through State college and contrary to your uneducated musings, my chosen field of athletics was wrestling, and I was a very good one too.

"You dodged the Vietnam draft because you are a coward with a medical deferment."

I was born in 1958.

"D. As for Obama's skin color I could care less remember, I'm a black man married to a fine white Republican woman."

You do live in a rich fantasy world.

People tell me I'm white, which I have doubted from time to time, but, I do buy my drugs at a State approved, licensed pharmacy.

May 26, 2013 at 11:50 p.m.
klifnotes said...

jt6 said... Well there is this:

by MIKE FLYNN

Almost a week after hearing an inflammatory speech from the Rev. Louis Farrakhan, Dem Rep. John Conyers issued a statement on Thursday condemning the speech and apologizing for his attendance. The walk-back was likely prompted after the Drudge Report highlighted Conyers' attendance at the virulently anti-Semitic speech.

Conyers said, “Farrakhan made unacceptable racist, anti-Semitic, and homophobic statements.” The congressman's statement also said he condemns the remarks “in the strongest possible terms.”


I'm not at all familiar much about Farrakhan. Be it the David Dukes, Farakhan or 'T'-Partiers of the world, I refuse to listen to or give an audience to hate. No matter where the hate comes from.

May 26, 2013 at 11:57 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

So Kilffie. You're relating Tea Partiers to David Duke and Farrakhan? Really?

May 27, 2013 at 12:09 a.m.
klifnotes said...

PT-based on the ones I've personally encountered, a resounding YES!

May 27, 2013 at 12:11 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Kliffie: Wow

May 27, 2013 at 12:26 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

klifnotes said...

“I'm not at all familiar much about Farrakhan. Be it the David Dukes, Farakhan or 'T'-Partiers of the world, I refuse to listen to or give an audience to hate. No matter where the hate comes from.”


Well here was your challenge:

“I don't know of any true black person that's survived and lived through all kinds of discrimination, oppression and most all other forms of hostilities and brutalities who would sink so low as to make light by using derogatory terms against another person or group that has suffered the same or worst.”


I provide you with a well know example, out of the many I could have chosen, and all of a sudden you develop terminal amnesia.

How convenient.

May 27, 2013 at 12:34 a.m.
klifnotes said...

jt6, no amnesia here. I said I know of no true black person. I'd like to believe that you personally know of no bonified KKK member either. Amnesia has nothing to do with any of it.

May 27, 2013 at 12:42 a.m.
klifnotes said...

Did IRS apologize too soon?

alt org

(6.) Some social welfare groups promised in their applications, under penalty of perjury, that they wouldn’t get involved in elections. Then they did just that.

Much of the attention when it comes to Tea Party nonprofits has focused on their applications and how the IRS determines whether a group qualifies for social welfare status.

As part of our reporting on dark money in 2012, ProPublica looked at more than 100 applications for IRS recognition. One thing we noted again and again: Groups sometimes tell the IRS that they are not going to spend money on elections, receive IRS recognition, and then turn around and spend money on elections

The application to be recognized as a social welfare nonprofit, known as a 1024 Form, explicitly asks a group whether it has spent or plans to spend “any money attempting to influence the selection, nomination, election, or appointment of any person to any Federal, state, or local public office or to an office in a political organization.”

The American Future Fund, a conservative nonprofit that would go on to spend millions of dollars on campaign ads, checked “No”in answer to that question in 2008. The very same day the group submitted its application, it uploaded this ad to its YouTube account:

May 27, 2013 at 12:44 a.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said.... It (bring jobs home act) was a sensible piece of legislation that should have been a no-brainer for everyone to get on board with, but because of that pesky promise to work to make Obama a one-term prospect, Republicans sat on their asses and went against their own ideals to not allow anything that could improve the economy to pass.

It was sent to the ways and means committee. It is another easily abused attempt to increase the complexity of an already convoluted tax system. Both parties resist simplifying the business tax codes by eliminating what many refer to as loop holes (credits, incentives etc.) and setting competitive rates to be paid without exception. Too many lobbyist and owners of both parties. Follow the money.

May 27, 2013 at 6:53 a.m.
fairmon said...

A memorial day celebration had a segment that stated 22,000 veterans per day committed suicide. That is a shameful testimony to how veterans are treated or not treated upon returning to civilian life. The advertisements for the wounded warrior charity causes one to wonder why that is necessary if the right thing was being done by the government. Thank you for your service is not enough, put your money where your mouth is. It may be time to get out of that quagmire and let them destroy each other. There is little evidence that U.S. presence has improved life in those countries.

May 27, 2013 at 7:05 a.m.
rick1 said...

I think it's is a shame that Clay can not even recognize and say thank you to the men and women of our military.

I would like to say Thank You to all of our great men and women who have served or are currently serving in our military.

(I received this in an email but I do not know who the author is)

It is the VETERAN, not the preacher, who has given us freedom of religion.

It is the VETERAN, not the poet, who has given us freedom of speech.

It is the VETERAN, not the reporter,who has given us freedom of the press.

It is the VETERAN, not the campus organizer, who has given us freedom to assemble.

It is the VETERAN, not the lawyer, who has given us the right to a fair trial.

It is the VETERAN, not the politician, Who has given us the right to vote.

It is the VETERAN who salutes the Flag.

It is the VETERAN who serves under the Flag.

We can be very proud of our young men and women in the service no matter where they serve.

May 27, 2013 at 7:28 a.m.
degage said...

Amen, rick1.

May 27, 2013 at 7:44 a.m.
dude_abides said...

Maximus said... "Alprova a Jew Boy CPA! There is at least one in every gangster/mafia movie I have ever seen. Remember the guy, Hymie Weinberg or something like that where Michael Corleon set him up to take a hit in Cuba."

You are truly a dumbass. This post, alone, shows that you aren't able to grasp anything beyond big, loud, simple themes. You couldn't follow the story line in this movie, yet you cite the movie to make a point. The laziness you bring to your "serious" posts proves that you could never accomplish any of the things you claim. Your inattention to detail is what gets you in trouble with your foreman so often. Christ, liberals should pay you to post here!

May 27, 2013 at 8:39 a.m.
jesse said...

The first 5 words of maximus 4:50 p.m. post tells you all you need to know about what and who he is!

May 27, 2013 at 9:40 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

This is Bennett's Memorial Day effort - yesterday's lame partisan shot?

You would think a cartoonist could come up with something about the futility of sending soldiers off to nation build in a tribal society that has little use for a Western style of government, while the President back home does his best to fundamentally transform the country and undermine the very Constitution he took an oath to defend.

...Kind of puts Bennett's priorities into perspective, a very small, partisan cheerleader.

May 27, 2013 at 10:05 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

rick1 said... "It is the VETERAN, who has (fought for)..."

It is the lawyer turned politician, Who works daily to take it all away.

It is the lazy, uninformed citizen that lets it all be taken away.

May 27, 2013 at 10:11 a.m.
carlB said...

rick1 said... I think it's is a shame that Clay can not even recognize and say thank you to the men and women of our military. degage said... Amen, rick1.

================ Reply;-- rick1, Just like many other people, you appear to be sitting back ready to criticize in a narrow minded thinking about something that should be covered and looked at in a comprehensive manner. In my opinion, there are many people who frown and "look down their noses" at the people who volunteer to serve in the military. Then after they join, are begrudged their living off of the tax dollars. What about the military "Leaders" who are under the command of the President of these United States and they make the decisions which involve all of our volunteer military? The history has already been written of what our all "voluntary" military will and can do when "ORDERED" into war. Now that the History has been written on the decision to SELECT the invasion of Iraq, the people who made that decision find it hard to rewrite what actually occurred. Everything that has happened since the 9/11 attacks in 2001 should be fresh in every person's mind as to what occurred and to how we have gotten into the all of these unfinished crisis conditions and why these conditions still persist.

May 27, 2013 at 10:19 a.m.
degage said...

Carl, We are aware of the people that look down their noses at men and women that volunteer for military service. Don't know if you are one of them but you can be sure those of us who think otherwise look down our noses at those who have such distain for our service men and women.

May 27, 2013 at 10:40 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

The military doesn't fit into the scheme of things for one worlders/multiculturalists like carlB

May 27, 2013 at 10:54 a.m.
Hunter_Bluff said...

"The Hill" a newspaper that covers the US Congress reports: Dole said in his Fox News interview that he isn’t sure there would be a place for him and other big-time Republicans of his generation, like Presidents Reagan and Nixon, in the current GOP. “Reagan couldn’t have made it. Certainly, Nixon couldn’t have made it, because he had ideas. We might have made it, but I doubt it,” said Dole, who called himself a “mainstream conservative Republican.” “I think they ought to put a sign on the national committee doors that says closed for repairs, until New Year’s Day next year, and spend that time going over ideas and positive agendas,” Dole said about the current state of his party.

Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/302011-bob-dole-gop-senate-both-in-trouble#ixzz2UVW6L0XO

May 27, 2013 at 11:37 a.m.
rick1 said...

This video is dedicated to all the veterans and soldiers, past and present, that have given their lives to serve this great nation so that we may live in freedom. Thank you and God bless you.

http://clashdaily.com/2013/05/video-for-you-memorial-day-tribute/

May 27, 2013 at noon
Maximus said...

Funny, I knew the Jew Boy thing would bring the free speech haters out of the wood work. As for my foreman, I have never had one , must be some labor union term from an Obama drone. On the way to the golf course but did I pick up in Alprova's musings today that he has some kind of mental illness called liberalism and that he is doing better because his meds are stabilized. No wonder that he spends most of his day writing to a lefty cartoonist and believes the Republicans don't believe in providing a social safety net. Alprova, can you say Medicare Part D, a Bush 43 social program helping millions of Americans pay for their prescription drugs. You may have used it to buy your bi-polar meds. Cheers!

May 27, 2013 at 12:06 p.m.
rick1 said...

"A nation that does not honor its heroes will not long endure." President Abraham Lincoln

May 27, 2013 at 12:09 p.m.
carlB said...

Clay is doing more for the Veterans than all of you opponents of President Obama want to admint. Keeping the Republicans out of control by keeping the voters informed is doing a lot for the VeteraNS.

Again, we have a situation in the USA that there are not enough jobs for the everyone who wants to work including the Veterans and there is a certain Party who has made it their objective to cause the failure of this country and has not done anything to create jobs here in the USA, but actually have caused the slowing of the recovery of the 2007 deep recession, making it harder for everyone to keep and find a job. We can do better than this. SO, why are there people who are against the proper balance needed to maintain this Republic?

May 27, 2013 at 12:20 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Good to see Dem Anthony Weiner back on the, er, stump.

May 27, 2013 at 12:20 p.m.
Maximus said...

Alprova I can't believe you are participating in medical trials with the evil for profit private sector pharma companies. The word free can be very powerful to some people. But it does seem to be a little hypocritical since like myself we Republicans invest heavily in big pharma. End organ damage, what disease are you referring to, Kidney maybe? I thought you would have called the NIH or DHHS for help since government seems to always be the answere for you, your so called social services. :)

As for Obama and his view of the Constitution unlike its intent and unlike the feelings of most hard working Americans, Obama believes that the Constitution unduly restricts his power and since he believes it is a living document can be changed on a whim. After all the great visionary founding fathers that wrote it were a bunch of old white guys like Thomas Jefferson and you know Barry and his legions of victims do not like that! Peace out!

May 27, 2013 at 12:25 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

carlB says "Clay is doing more for the Veterans than all of you opponents of President Obama want to admint. Keeping the Republicans out of control by keeping the voters informed is doing a lot for the VeteraNS." Carl: Are you frikken serious?

May 27, 2013 at 12:32 p.m.
carlB said...

Hunter_Bluff said.... Repeating what Bob Dole said. Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/302011-bob-dole-gop-senate-both-in-trouble#ixzz2UVW6L0XO

============= REPLY; Hunter_Bluff Do you think Bob Dole's statement will change any of the objectives of the Republicans?

May 27, 2013 at 12:35 p.m.
rick1 said...

Carl, would you be in favor of what is being proposed in this article?

https://www.nationalreview.com/nrd/articles/348502/new-jobs-agenda

May 27, 2013 at 12:42 p.m.
carlB said...

PlainTruth said...Carl: Are you frikken serious?

REPLY: PlainTruth, Damn RIGHT! I knew you would have a hard time of relating to this. It goes against everything you have not thought about.

May 27, 2013 at 12:42 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

So Carl, you think by presenting one jaded view...that's keeping us informed? and BTW, you need to lose those silly big letters.

May 27, 2013 at 12:48 p.m.
fairmon said...

carlB said...

we have a situation in the USA that there are not enough jobs for everyone who wants to work including the Veterans and there is a certain Party who has made it their objective to cause the failure of this country and has not done anything to create jobs here in the USA, but actually have caused the slowing of the recovery of the 2007 deep recession, making it harder for everyone to keep and find a job. We can do better than this. SO, why are there people who are against the proper balance needed to maintain this Republic?

CarlB..I have always thought you were a supporter of the democrats but now you ask a question and make a statement regarding their tax and spend ideology, their indebtedness of future generations while leading the country to failure, that is a switch for you. People against the proper balance have no, or a very limited view, of the risk of not doing that. The ignorance and behavior is not surprising with the high level of lawyers in office with little to no experience in finance other than how to get other peoples money and make it their money.

May 27, 2013 at 1:26 p.m.
fairmon said...

carlB said... Clay keeping the Republicans out of control by keeping the voters informed is doing a lot for the Veterans.

Is that an oxymoron or just moron?

May 27, 2013 at 1:33 p.m.
degage said...

Moron!

May 27, 2013 at 2:07 p.m.
rick1 said...

CarlB said "Clay is doing more for the Veterans than all of you opponents of President Obama want to admint. Keeping the Republicans out of control by keeping the voters informed is doing a lot for the VeteraNS."

Please explain exactly what Clay is doing for the Veterans.

May 27, 2013 at 2:19 p.m.
Maximus said...

300 day waits for existing and new vets to see a healthcare professional. It is not the funding, it's not the sequester it is the inefficiency and corruption of the Obama led guvment. Like long waits? Sign up for Obamercare.

May 27, 2013 at 2:20 p.m.
rick1 said...

Hey CarlB how is Obama cutting Imminent Danger Pay for our troops helping our men and women of the military?

How about Obama's proposed defense budget from last year, which called for military families and retirees to pay sharply more for their healthcare, while leaving unionized civilian defense workers’ benefits untouched. How is Obama helping our men and women of the military?

May 27, 2013 at 2:47 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Amazing shiz on here today from the left.

May 27, 2013 at 2:53 p.m.
rick1 said...

Plain Truth, this is a good article, which will explain why some on the left have noting but contempt for our military.

http://www.humanevents.com/2006/11/27/why-do-liberals-hate-the-us-military/

May 27, 2013 at 3:01 p.m.
alprova said...

Maximus wrote: "Funny, I knew the Jew Boy thing would bring the free speech haters out of the wood work."

What's really "funny" is the thought of what might happen if you were to walk up to anyone and exercise your "right to free speech" and use that phrase in person.

Your age and mental prowess from a day gone by is showing.

"As for my foreman, I have never had one , must be some labor union term from an Obama drone."

Where you work, very part-time, they are called "Team leaders," aren't they?

"On the way to the golf course but did I pick up in Alprova's musings today that he has some kind of mental illness called liberalism and that he is doing better because his meds are stabilized."

My doctors would disagree with your diagnosis and press charges against you for practicing medicine without a license.

"No wonder that he spends most of his day writing to a lefty cartoonist and believes the Republicans don't believe in providing a social safety net."

Because I do have a business to run, you rarely see me posting during the day, five days a week, unlike yourself, who seems to have lots of time to kill.

"Alprova, can you say Medicare Part D, a Bush 43 social program helping millions of Americans pay for their prescription drugs."

Can you say "Donut Hole," which was big enough to drive a semi-truck through for most Seniors? Thanks to ObamaCare, that hole is being paved.

"You may have used it to buy your bi-polar meds."

I've never been to the North or the South pole. I do purchase most of my medication, at full cost mind you, at my neighborhood Bi-Lo however.

May 27, 2013 at 3:02 p.m.
alprova said...

Maximus wrote: "Alprova I can't believe you are participating in medical trials with the evil for profit private sector pharma companies."

You've never seen me refer to Pharmaceutical manufacturers as "evil." I don't like and have questioned some of their marketing tactics, but that's a discussion for another day.

"The word free can be very powerful to some people."

Don't worry your little rock-filled head about it. None of my medications are paid for by so much as one taxpayer.

"But it does seem to be a little hypocritical since like myself we Republicans invest heavily in big pharma."

I'll bet you didn't know that Democrats invest their money too, but please...go on.

"End organ damage, what disease are you referring to, Kidney maybe? I thought you would have called the NIH or DHHS for help since government seems to always be the answere (sic) for you, your so called social services. :)"

That's probably the most ignorant statement you have typewritten to date.

"As for Obama and his view of the Constitution unlike its intent and unlike the feelings of most hard working Americans, Obama believes that the Constitution unduly restricts his power and since he believes it is a living document can be changed on a whim."

In light of the fact that it has been amended at least 24 times since it was created, I'd say he has a good point.

"After all the great visionary founding fathers that wrote it were a bunch of old white guys like Thomas Jefferson and you know Barry and his legions of victims do not like that! Peace out!"

After that statement, do you believe that there is one person in this forum who believes that you have one drop of African-American blood in you?

May 27, 2013 at 3:21 p.m.
alprova said...

rick1 wrote: "Plain Truth, this is a good article, which will explain why some on the left have noting but contempt for our military."

I'm pleased to see that you used the word "some" in your sentence.

As far as I know, there is no one who routinely participates in this forum, who has ever offered a negative opinion of anyone who has served in the military.

I spent my morning visiting the graves of loved ones, two of whom lost their lives in Vietnam. I joined a family friend at another grave in Ringgold, whose Son was killed in Iraq in 2006.

Yes...today is Memorial Day, a day set aside to honor those killed in combat in various wars. I have nothing but the highest respect for anyone who would choose to enter into the military for any length of time.

At the same time, I condemn our leaders for involving us in disputes that have led to us having to honor those who have died needlessly and often for the wrong cause.

May 27, 2013 at 3:42 p.m.
alprova said...

Rick1 wrote: "Carl, would you be in favor of what is being proposed in this article?"

I'm not Carl, but I do have an opinion.

What was proposed in that article sounds nice and all, but can you hold a straight face and express any belief that there is one Republican who would propose any of those things?

May 27, 2013 at 3:58 p.m.
Maximus said...

I guess you revealed it in earlier posts, what's wrong with you besides being a donut hole liberal. Let's see hmmm, without donut hole the meds are basically free. Who will pay for this Obama filling in of the donut hole? Again, I am black and I have no problem what so ever with our founding fathers being white and inspired by God. You libs are so boring because it's always about victim hood, color , race, seeeeeensitivity. Lighten up niggas it be da weekend. Have a beer and kick back a little. I am sure Obama is on the golf course right now not thinking at all about "the little people".

May 27, 2013 at 4:12 p.m.
rick1 said...

Al, "What was proposed in that article sounds nice and all, but can you hold a straight face and express any belief that there is one Republican who would propose any of those things?

I could see Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, Tim Scott and Mike Lee proposing those ideas. Sadly to many RINO's are trying to shut them out.

May 27, 2013 at 4:27 p.m.
klifnotes said...

fairmon said... A memorial day celebration had a segment that stated 22,000 veterans per day committed suicide. That is a shameful testimony to how veterans are treated or not treated upon returning to civilian life


The VA can't be totally blamed. Maybe it can't be blamed at all. As there are certain things no amount of mental health intervention can cure, and the likely tragic outcome will sometimes be the same anyway. People who don't undetstand, have never been close to or never had a family member in wars/conflicts taking place can't begin to grasp the magnitude of the effects and toll it can take on the human body/ all physically, spiritually, psychologically and emotionally. The total breakdown of every will of the human spirit, moral beliefs and concepts of right and wrong one was raised to believe. Iraq and Afghanistan may have been even more burdensome mentally and physically because things happened and witnessed, horrible things and the reprecussions and effects may likely be felt for decades, even centuries to come. They're the conflicts* where otherwise civilized nations once viewed as the beacon of humanity and justice really did lose their moral compass and then some. Perhaps more so than is said to have happened in Vietnam.

May 27, 2013 at 5:05 p.m.
klifnotes said...

Maximus said... Nice ears Clay but the IRS Thug Class Warfare Income Redistribution King is skinnier, more like Steve Irkle. No, I think the Republicans are on target this time. Be sure to call your Congressmen and Senators at 202-224-3121 on Tuesday or sometime next week and request an Independent Counsel Investigation of the IRS

Again: Maybe the IRS was forced to apologize too soon? Is it possible the real fear is I.R.S. closer scrutiny may have exposed heavy wealthy investors in these organizations were none other than some of the very individuals running for political office?

L.A. Times:

"Thus far, there's no evidence that's what happened. Indeed, the IRS inspector general has found that groups whose names featured "tea party," patriot," or other terms favored by conservatives were a minority of the organizations selected for scrutiny. The IG also reported that most of the groups given special attention were, in fact, suspiciously political and therefore possibly ineligible for the donor anonymity that C4 (c)4 designation confers.

But the lack of evidence doesn't matter in Washington, because members of Congress are fixated full time on the opportunity to berate the IRS for the TV cameras.

There's a purpose behind this show. For one thing, members of Congress are well aware that for the public, the IRS is "the easiest agency to hate," as Ventry observes. So why not pile on? Indeed, the IRS show trial staged last week by Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Vista) and his Committee on Oversight and Government Reform reminded me of the old "Far Side" cartoon by Gary Larson contrasting "What we say to dogs" ("Okay, Ginger! You stay out of the garbage! Understand, Ginger?") with "What they hear" ("Blah, Ginger, blah blah blah blah, Ginger..."). In this case the lawmakers are assuming that the public will hear only "Blah blah IRS blah blah blah IRS...."

Ordinary taxpayers should be skeptical of this sort of theater. The last time the IRS was hauled over the coals for its supposed wrongdoing — in 1998, when the ostensible issue was the mistreatment of innocent individual taxpayers by revenue agents — Congress' true underlying motive was to hamstring its enforcement program against corporations and wealthy taxpayers. And that's precisely how things turned out."

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/may/25/business/la-fi-hiltzik-20130526

May 27, 2013 at 5:15 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

http://washingtonexaminer.com/lawmakers-zero-in-on-irs-meetings-at-white-house/article/2530439

Top IRS officials, whose agency was under investigation for targeting conservative groups, visited the Obama White House more than 100 times over two years while the probe was going on, far more often than in previous administrations.

Lawmakers now investigating the Internal Revenue Service practice zeroed in on those nearly weekly White House meetings to determine whether an IRS official — or someone higher up in the administration — had approved the targeting and whether it was politically motivated.

The frequent meetings also raised questions about the White House's claims that it couldn't have instigated the targeting of conservative groups because it took a hands-off approach to the tax agency, going so far as to describe it as independent of the administration even though it's part of the Treasury Department.

Former Internal Revenue Service Commissioner Doug Shulman visited the White House 118 times between 2010 and 2011. Acting Director Steven Miller, who took over at the IRS in November, also made numerous visits to the White House, though variations in the spelling of his name in White House visitor logs makes it difficult to determine exactly how many times.

The frequent trips to the White House under Obama far outnumbered the times other administrations felt the need to meet with the IRS, according to Mark Everson, who led the IRS under former President George W. Bush. Everson said he remembers making only one trip to the White House between 2003 and 2007.

"I fear the IRS is on a slippery slope as regards its traditional independence due to being so intertwined with a major domestic policy initiative like health care reform," Everson said.

Shulman said he couldn't remember why he went to the White House so frequently.

House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell Issa, R-Calif., said Shulman's frequent visits make it hard to believe that the IRS and White House never talked about the investigation into the IRS targeting of conservative groups, which was going on at the time — something the White House vigorously denies.

"In my view," Issa said, "it's hard to believe it didn't come up in passing."

May 27, 2013 at 5:27 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

IRS Comm. Shulman said he couldn't remember why he went to the White House so frequently. (118 times) anyone out there really happy with that answer?

May 27, 2013 at 5:44 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Michael Barone

There is one problem with the entirely justified if self-interested media squawking about the Justice Department snooping into the phone records of multiple Associated Press reporters and Fox News' James Rosen.

The problem is that what the AP reporters and Rosen did arguably violates the letter of the law.

The search warrant in the Rosen case cites Section 793(d) of Title 18 of the U.S. Code.

It sounds like this law criminalizes a lot of journalism. You might wonder how such a law ever got passed and why, for the last 90 years, it has very seldom produced prosecutions and investigations of journalists.

The answer: This is the Espionage Act of 1917, passed two months after the United States entered World War I.

The Espionage Act was passed with bipartisan support in a Democratic Congress and strongly supported by Democratic President Woodrow Wilson.

Wilson wanted even more. "Authority to exercise censorship over the press is absolutely necessary," he wrote a senator. He got that authority in May 1918 when Congress passed the Sedition Act criminalizing, among other things, "abusive language" about the government.

The Wilson administration barred socialist newspapers from the mails, jailed a filmmaker for making a movie about the Revolutionary War (don't rile our British allies) and prosecuted a minister who claimed Jesus was a pacifist.

German-language books were removed from libraries, German-language newspapers forced out of business and one state banned speaking German outdoors.

Fortunately, things changed after Wilson left office. A Republican Congress allowed the Sedition Act to expire in 1921.

The Espionage Act of 1917 remained on the books and was amended to cover news media. But it was used sparingly.

Franklin Roosevelt, who served in the Wilson administration, didn't use it in World War II.

Roosevelt did order the internment of West Coast Japanese-Americans in 1942. But an act apologizing for that and providing restitution was passed with bipartisan majorities and signed by Ronald Reagan in 1988.

Presidents and attorneys general of both parties have been reluctant to use the Espionage Act when secret information has been leaked to the press because they have recognized that it is overbroad.

They have understood, as Moynihan argues in "Secrecy," that government classifies far too many things as secrets, even as it has often failed to protect information that truly needs to stay secret.

Barack Obama and his Justice Department seem to be of a different mind. They have used the Espionage Act of 1917 six times to bring cases against government officials for leaks to the media six times -- twice as many as all their predecessors combined.

"Gradually, over time," Moynihan writes, "American government became careful about liberties." Now, suddenly, it seems to be moving in the other direction.

May 27, 2013 at 5:52 p.m.
alprova said...

rick1 wrote: "I could see Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, Tim Scott and Mike Lee proposing those ideas. Sadly to many RINO's are trying to shut them out."

Wow!! I'll sure wait to see if any one of them dares to offer such proposals, but I think I'll be waiting a long, long time for anything at all proposed in that article from any Republican.

May 27, 2013 at 6:02 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

I guess, on this Memorial Day, we are supposed to thankful for BO for the battle he wages with those who hold opposing viewpoints?

May 27, 2013 at 6:24 p.m.
Maximus said...

It is pure racism when a person cannot believe that an African American like myself cannot love and respect our founding Fathers no matter what color they were. They wrote 3 of the top four documents in all the world: 1. The Bible 2. The Declaration of Independence 3. The Bill Of Rights. 4. The Constitution. Only those filled with racism fueled by their leftist ideology could present the type of strereotyping that all blacks in America disrespect the founding Fathers because they were predominately white , some even slave owners. My relatives in Africa owned slaves also back in the 16 and 1700's so what! No Mr. Obama we don't really care what you think about the Constitution as long as you obey and abide by it.

Regarding Alprova's love for social justice achieved with "guvment sponsored social programs" isn't it funny, every time we implement such a program the liberal victim drones want more! Obama takes over student loans so that more students will have access to college. What happens? Now the students are whining and complaining about paying back the student loans. Medicare Part D a Bush 43 program designed to give seniors SOME assistance with their prescription drug expenses where before they had none. Med D provides around $2500 to $3000 in drug assistance each year for seniors 65 and over. Again ,they never had any assistance before except Medicaid now they complain that they have to pay some of their drug expenses when they hit the benefit gap better known as the donut hole. Liberalism a true disease of victimhood. Lucky I own my own businesses and plan to contribute my social security checks to my grand kids college funds.

May 27, 2013 at 6:33 p.m.
chet123 said...

GET OVER IT BIGRIDGE...YOU LOST THE ELECTION.......IN 2014 YOU WILL LOOSE THE CONGRESS.....

SO GET YOU TO IT....STOP BEING A SORE LOSER BIGRIDGE...WHINEEEEEE!

May 27, 2013 at 6:34 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

I think I'll be waiting a long, long time for anything at all proposed in that article from any Republican.


A conservative program to help the unemployed should also include a push for more states to adopt right-to-work laws. These weaken the power of labor unions by eliminating the requirement that workers pay fees to a union as a condition of employment. If the power of unions is restricted, firms may hire more workers; the economics literature suggests that by increasing the cost of wages and benefits for workers, unions reduce employment growth.


Really not a Republican ideal ... Right?

May 27, 2013 at 6:38 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

I think I'll be waiting a long, long time for anything at all proposed in that article from any Republican.


We should also reduce the paperwork, licensing, and administrative barriers facing would-be entrepreneurs. Encouraging domestic energy production by, among other things, allowing for more exploration on federal lands and reducing regulatory-compliance burdens should be part of the program. We should consider temporarily eliminating the capital-gains tax on new businesses investments because doing so might help would-be entrepreneurs to attract capital.


Really not a Republican ideal ... Right?

May 27, 2013 at 6:41 p.m.
chet123 said...

HEY MAXIMUS....I WILL SHOW YOU A SOCIAL PROGRAM.....CONGRESS PENSION.....CONGRESS MEDICAL AND DENTAL THAT TAX PAYER FINANCE....

WHY ARE YOU CRYING MAXIMUS...Hmmm?.......MAYBE IT BECAUSE YOU ARE A BIG MAN.....YOU DONT REALLY GIVE A HOOT ABOUT SOCIAL PROGRAM!....YOU JUST LIKE PICKING A CHILDREN.....THEY ARE THE #1 RECIPIENTS......SO BLOCK THEM MAXIMUS..BLOCK THEM!!..THIS REALLY MAKE YOU LOOK TOUGH HA HA HA HA HA....

THIS IS WHY I HAVE A DISDAIN FOR REPUBLICANS....THEY ARE NOT REAL MEN!

HEY MAXIMUS DO THAT MAKE YOU FEEL BIG???? HA HA HA HA HA!!!

May 27, 2013 at 6:43 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

I think I'll be waiting a long, long time for anything at all proposed in that article from any Republican.


Obamacare’s requirement that firms with 50 or more full-time workers provide their employees with health insurance should be delayed until the labor market is much closer to its pre-crisis state. This requirement provides an incentive for firms to keep their payrolls at 49 or fewer employees. At a time of extremely low employment, encouraging firms not to hire is unwise.


Really not a Republican ideal ... Right?

May 27, 2013 at 6:47 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said ...

I think I'll be waiting a long, long time for anything at all proposed in that article from any Republican.


Speaking of entrepreneurship, research suggests that skilled immigrants are 30 percent more likely to start a business than U.S. natives and new businesses create jobs. One-quarter of engineering- and technology-related businesses founded between 1995 and 2005 were started at least in part by an immigrant. The United States should encourage these potential job creators to bring their talents and energy to our shores. At a minimum, we should stop sending away thousands of high-skilled immigrants who are educated at top American universities and who want to stay after completing their studies. If a comprehensive immigration-reform package is to be agreed to, it must include an increase in high-skilled (high I.Q.?) immigration. If none can be, such an increase should be enacted independently as a jobs plan.


Really not a Republican ideal ... Right?

May 27, 2013 at 6:51 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

klifnotes said...

Did IRS apologize too soon?


I’m definitely sure they apologized too soon and you tell that is the truth by the large number of IRS employees that are resigning, being put on leave, and lawyering up.

May 27, 2013 at 6:57 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

klifnotes said...

Again: Maybe the IRS was forced to apologize too soon? Is it possible the real fear is I.R.S. closer scrutiny may have exposed heavy wealthy investors in these organizations were none other than some of the very individuals running for political office?


At least they limited their exposure by targeting just one political viewpoint and that was very smart of them. You can only imagine the outcry if they had targeted the other side or both viewpoints.

Or maybe you just need to understand the difference between possible and probable.

May 27, 2013 at 7:13 p.m.
alprova said...

JT, when one Republican proposes any one of those three proposed "ideals," then be sure to then attempt to rub it in my face.

Until then, it's anything but a Republican proposal.

They are farts in the wind by a Republican cheerleader who has a wish list.

May 27, 2013 at 7:13 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Fairmon says: “Republican hater mountain laurel.“

What’s to love, Fairmon? . . . Have I overlooked some positive contributions that Republicans have made to help the citizenry during the last decade? . . . If so, please enlighten me. . . I believe it’s important to acknowledge positive contributions and give credit when it’s due.

May 27, 2013 at 7:23 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Maximusty,

"It is pure racism when a person cannot believe that an African American like myself cannot love and respect our founding Fathers no matter what color they were. They wrote 3 of the top four documents in all the world: 1. The Bible"

Wouldn't the Bible be a collection of documents? Also, wouldn't the Bible need to be historically accurate to be considered a "document" and/or a collection of documents?

I have a feeling the 4 pieces of literature you listed make up your entire reading experience.

"2. The Declaration of Independence 3. The Bill Of Rights. 4. The Constitution."

Don't you think the Constitution and the Bill of Rights are essentially part of the same whole?

"Only those filled with racism fueled by their leftist ideology could present the type of strereotyping that all blacks in America disrespect the founding Fathers because they were predominately white , some even slave owners."

There has never been a more fallacious argument.

Also, why did you use the phrase "predominately white" in reference to the Founding Fathers? Can you name a non-white Founding Father?

"My relatives in Africa owned slaves also back in the 16 and 1700's so what!"

In the mind of Maximus: Slavery = so what!

Truly unbelievable.

May 27, 2013 at 7:44 p.m.
facyspacy said...

Al wrote,"First of all, anyone who currently has health care coverage has not a thing to concern themselves with. Whether it is employer sponsored or paid for out of your own funds, you are in full compliance." 17% of the US is without health ins.... Hold that thought! Al wrote,"When you file your tax return, there will be an added line or two where you will claim the amount of health care premiums you have paid for the applicable tax year. Any amount of premiums paid by your employer for health care coverage will be listed on your W-2 and automatically reported to the IRS." True. But what you aren't thinking of is that no matter how cheap you make health insurance or how affordable you make it for people who don't have it the cost of health care is still the same. Who is gonna pick up that tap? Al wrote,"Look...bantering back and forth about what may or may not happen with employer sponsored insurance coverage is quite pointless today." Yep, that's about par for the course. Typical lib, eat a cheeseburger today, worry about losing weight tomorrow. Al wrote,"And as I have stated several times, there are Chicken Littles all over the place, flapping their wings and reacting prematurely to predictions that the sky is falling as a result of ObamaCare." I've seen obamacare first hand... I bought a sandwich, chips, and a soda water at a deli in San Fran 1 month ago. My bill said $12 for turkey sand, 2.50 for Doritos, $3 for soda, tax 1.20 tax, tip $3, and then it said $2 San Fran health tax. I spoke to the owner about it. He said affordable healthcare was implemented in 2009 and the city has to charge the fee to help pay for everyone's healthcare and he had to lay off 8 workers to help cover his costs of payi g half of an employees ins. Google San Fran health tax and see it for yourself. Al wrote,"Yes...the President should have been more clear, but then, you'd think that people could figure that one out for themselves." Another excuse for Obama. Even when he lies guess we will just figure it out, huh!? Chet123 wrote,"blah, blah, blah"

May 27, 2013 at 8:16 p.m.
klifnotes said...

Jt6gR3hM said... klifnotes said... Did IRS apologize too soon?

I’m definitely sure they apologized too soon and you tell that is the truth by the large number of IRS employees that are resigning, being put on leave, and lawyering up.

Perhaps they're lawyering up because of threats of criminal prosecution? When anyone is threaten with criminal charges the first thing advised lawyer up. Remember: That Maranda Warning: "Anything you say can be held against you in a court of law?"

Maybe some of those Congress folks and a heap others will need to lawyer up before all of this is over an done with?

May 27, 2013 at 8:35 p.m.
klifnotes said...

re: max-um wrote... ""Only those filled with racism fueled by their leftist ideology could present the type of strereotyping that all blacks in America disrespect the founding Fathers because they were predominately white , some even slave owners."

easy wrote:... * There has never been a more fallacious argument. Also, why did you use the phrase "predominately white" in reference to the Founding Fathers? Can you name a non-white Founding Father?*

Easy, max-um is confusing left with right. Children normally do that up until about the ages of 2 and 3.

May 27, 2013 at 8:40 p.m.
alprova said...

facyspacy wrote: "I've seen obamacare first hand... I bought a sandwich, chips, and a soda water at a deli in San Fran 1 month ago. My bill said $12 for turkey sand, 2.50 for Doritos, $3 for soda, tax 1.20 tax, tip $3, and then it said $2 San Fran health tax."

"I spoke to the owner about it. He said affordable healthcare was implemented in 2009 and the city has to charge the fee to help pay for everyone's healthcare and he had to lay off 8 workers to help cover his costs of payi g half of an employees ins."

"Google San Fran health tax and see it for yourself."

First of all, I seriously doubt you personally were in San Francisco last month and spoke to a soul. You're relating a widely distributed story, which is quite old, that can be found all over the web.

The "San Francisco Health Care Tax" also known as the "Healthy San Francisco Program" has nothing to do with ObamaCare. San Francisco City passed its own health care law in 2007, two and half years prior to ObamaCare, which mandates that all employers located inside the city with 20 to 99 employees spend no less than $1.17 per hour, per employee, for health care benefits. Employers with more than 99 employees must spend no less than $1.75 per hour, per employee for health care benefits.

Employers have the choice of providing their own health care plans or opting to pay the city the above amounts per employee, per hour, at which time, the city will issue each employee an insurance policy through the city insurer.

The Golden Gate Restaurant Association in San Francisco challenged the law in the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in 2008, which sided with the city, allowing the mandate to go into effect. In June, 2010, that decision was appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court, which affirmed the decision by the Ninth Circuit Court.

The health care law is still in effect.

In April, 2009, the city passed an ordinance, allowing business owners to add a surcharge to the cost of goods and/or services provided to their customers, if they did not accommodate for the added costs of providing health care for their employees by simply raising their prices.

http://www.boe.ca.gov/news/pdf/l224.pdf

May 27, 2013 at 9:31 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

chet123 said... "GET OVER IT BIGRIDGE...YOU LOST THE ELECTION...

Let me sure I have this right, the 2012 presidential election results have eliminated my right to freedom of expression?

Is that how the new, civil liberty minded, loving, left wants to portray itself?

May 27, 2013 at 9:49 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

alprova,

Have you ever made an attempt to quantify the number of people you have "turned" with the thousands, if not millions, of words you have invested in this forum?

May 27, 2013 at 9:51 p.m.
Maximus said...

Alprova, and most all other overly emotional liberals my "so what" about slavery meant that slavery was a long time ago so according to liberal thinking, because I am black, I should have a chip on my shoulder about slavery in America even according to some really weirdo libs, I should expect reparations. Sorry folks, all blacks do not feel that way. Yes, there are blacks that were slaves in my family tree but that was a long time ago in a different time it has nothing to do with my political view or my expectations in life. I make my own way and do not expect special treatment. It is how I was raised. Liberals like Alprova and our President like to place blacks into certain buckets, place labels on them and keep them there. I am not one of Obama's niggas. Alprova, your disrespect for the Bible, the inspired word of God is offensive to all Christians. How insensitive of you. You should apologize this very instant.

May 27, 2013 at 9:57 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Alpo is the internet equivalent of roller food.

May 27, 2013 at 9:59 p.m.
Maximus said...

Yo Alprova, why don't you poke fun at and disrespect the Koran? Tick tock.....I'm waiting...is the Koran just a near "collection" of writings too?

Hurry go to the liberal answer handbook.

May 27, 2013 at 10:01 p.m.
fairmon said...

mountainlaurel said... Fairmon says: “Republican hater mountain laurel.“

What’s to love, Fairmon? . . . Have I overlooked some positive contributions

What about a 39.5 tax rate.

May 27, 2013 at 10:20 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

JT, when one Republican proposes any one of those three proposed "ideals," then be sure to then attempt to rub it in my face.

Until then, it's anything but a Republican proposal.

They are farts in the wind by a Republican cheerleader who has a wish list.


Do you ever “proof” these things?

Why did you put ideals in quotations? I think I know why but could you just be a little too cute by half?

May 27, 2013 at 10:38 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

mountainlaurel said...

Fairmon says: “Republican hater mountain laurel.“

What’s to love, Fairmon? . . . Have I overlooked some positive contributions that Republicans have made to help the citizenry during the last decade? . . . If so, please enlighten me. . . I believe it’s important to acknowledge positive contributions and give credit when it’s due.


I know what you mean as serious minded and rational based inquires do need to be answered.

When you're ready ... O.K.?

May 27, 2013 at 11:20 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said ...

First of all, I seriously doubt you personally were in San Francisco last month and spoke to a soul. You're relating a widely distributed story, which is quite old, that can be found all over the web.


So you're saying that the other poster got the Obamacare equivalency story exactly right except for the fact that he/she was in San Francisco or not. On that matter you provide a claim of probability that you have no way of knowing its likelihood of being correct.

So what exactly is the point of your post?

May 27, 2013 at 11:33 p.m.
alprova said...

BRP wrote: "Have you ever made an attempt to quantify the number of people you have "turned" with the thousands, if not millions, of words you have invested in this forum?"

Turned? You're going to have to explain that one, because I have no idea what you are referring to.

May 28, 2013 at 12:15 a.m.
alprova said...

Maximus wrote: "Yo Alprova, why don't you poke fun at and disrespect the Koran? Tick tock.....I'm waiting...is the Koran just a near "collection" of writings too? Hurry go to the liberal answer handbook."

I have not read a word contained in the Qu'ran. Therefore I am not qualified to comment on so much as one passage contained therein.

"Alprova, your disrespect for the Bible, the inspired word of God is offensive to all Christians."

Sir, everything I have ever written about the Bible can be read by anyone who has the interest in seeking it. I challenge anyone to refute one word I have ever written.

"How insensitive of you. You should apologize this very instant."..."

I'm not even going to dignify that with a response.

May 28, 2013 at 12:22 a.m.
alprova said...

JT wrote: "So you're saying that the other poster got the Obamacare equivalency story exactly right except for the fact that he/she was in San Francisco or not."

Nope. You need to go back and read my post. And you of all people know that fallacies related in the first person makes them seem more "realistic."

Fallacies fall apart however when the "facts" contained in them are so egregiously incorrect.

"On that matter you provide a claim of probability that you have no way of knowing its likelihood of being correct."

Oh please...You'd argue with a meat cleaver as it's about to chop your head off.

"So what exactly is the point of your post?"

Clearly, you didn't read my post or you wouldn't be asking such a stupid question.

Go back and read it to see if you can figure out where you went wrong.

May 28, 2013 at 12:32 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said ...

Clearly, you didn't read my post or you wouldn't be asking such a stupid question.

Go back and read it to see if you can figure out where you went wrong.


You of all people should know that those types of responses are the sure sign of someone who has no defense for the claims they have made. Its a weak and dishonest way of debating in that you are trying to bluff others into believing you have access to the reality that others are incapable of seeing or understanding. Its a tactic you use frequently to cover your butt frequently when you are trapped.

May 28, 2013 at 12:56 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said ...

Maximus said - "Alprova, your disrespect for the Bible, the inspired word of God is offensive to all Christians."

Sir, everything I have ever written about the Bible can be read by anyone who has the interest in seeking it. I challenge anyone to refute one word I have ever written.


So you’re of the opinion that offence can not be transmitted as long as no one can refute any statement a person makes?

By the way that is not a confirmation, on my part, that your statements can not be refuted. However that is not the point I am making here.

May 28, 2013 at 1:06 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

BRP wrote: "Have you ever made an attempt to quantify the number of people you have "turned" with the thousands, if not millions, of words you have invested in this forum?"

Turned? You're going to have to explain that one, because I have no idea what you are referring to.


Pleading ignorance may sometimes help you in avoiding the unpleasant questions but then the downside is everyone saw you just declaring yourself to be ignorant of the obvious.

May 28, 2013 at 1:21 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

roller food

May 28, 2013 at 1:43 a.m.
alprova said...

JT wrote: "You of all people should know that those types of responses are the sure sign of someone who has no defense for the claims they have made."

You're right. He or she had no defense for the claim he or she made.

"Its a weak and dishonest way of debating in that you are trying to bluff others into believing you have access to the reality that others are incapable of seeing or understanding."

For Pete's sake, that restaurant story has been told a hundred times. Check out Yelp

"Its a tactic you use frequently to cover your butt frequently when you are trapped."

Honey, I wasn't trapped. I proved the tax to have nothing to do with ObamaCare.

May 28, 2013 at 1:52 a.m.
alprova said...

JT wrote: "So you’re of the opinion that offence (sic) can not be transmitted as long as no one can refute any statement a person makes?"

Transmitted? Can you people not use plain English tonight?

"By the way that is not a confirmation, on my part, that your statements can not be refuted. However that is not the point I am making here."

Then get busy refuting them. That's what you think you're good at, eh?

May 28, 2013 at 1:55 a.m.
alprova said...

JT wrote: "Pleading ignorance may sometimes help you in avoiding the unpleasant questions but then the downside is everyone saw you just declaring yourself to be ignorant of the obvious."

Really? Then how about you explaining what that word was referring to. How the hell do you "turn" people?

Maybe you both speak the same language. Turning people and transmitting offenses.

May 28, 2013 at 1:58 a.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "Alpo is the internet equivalent of roller food."

You're the Internet equivalent of a Pomeranian.

Always yapping for no reason.

May 28, 2013 at 2:25 a.m.
fairmon said...

mountainlaurel said...

Fairmon says: “Republican hater mountain laurel.“

What’s to love, Fairmon?

The 39.5% tax rate is the most obvious. Repeatedly approving more spending, borrowing etc.

May 28, 2013 at 4:04 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Fairmon says re What's to Love about Republicans: "The 39.5% tax rate is the most obvious. Repeatedly approving more spending, borrowing etc."

Is this it, Fairmon? Isn’t there something else you would rather submit for consideration? When you consider the bigger picture and all the economic troubles created by former President’s Bush’s decision to cut taxes and to go to war with Iraq I don’t think this really qualifies as an actual Republican contribution that has helped the citizenry. Know what I mean?

May 28, 2013 at 6:12 a.m.
fairmon said...

ML...check out the number of proposals Reid won't bring up. It is impossible to get anything except big spender bills and tax increases thru the senate. I really don't think either party is worth a damn. It is amusing to watch you find fault with anything republican and go orgasmic over anything democratic. One thing for sure, you are a loyal supporter. The VOLS need fans as loyal as you are even when they stink the place up.

May 28, 2013 at 7:28 a.m.
carlB said...

rick1 said

PlainTruth said

fairmon said...

alprova said... Rick1 wrote: "Carl, would you be in favor of what is being proposed in this article?" I'm not Carl, but I do have an opinion.

Been trying to get back to reading the "article." Had other things to do. After getting back last night, was TOO sleepy and shocked at the continued bad judgement being projected against President Obama.

After President Obama took office in January 2009 the Republican's actions have been of disavowal and despicable in the House and Senate to publicly announce their objective was to cause President Obama's failure. Therefore preventing and obstructing the recovery of the 2007 recession. This action should be called a traitorous act against this Republic and the people. After the arrogance shown by these "enemies" of President Obama and of this country, it causes me to be opposed to anybody who tries to "lie their way back into power and that President Obama has been a complete failure after having tried to cause him to be a failure. ========== The article below appears to not address how to "fix" anything? Did I miss the GLOBAL economy and the $40--$50 Billion dollar trade deficit?

https://www.nationalreview.com/nrd/articles/348502/new-jobs-agenda

The labor market for low-skilled workers is also in crisis. Some 12 percent of adult workers without a high-school diploma are unemployed. The unemployment rate for white teenagers is 21.8 percent; for black teenagers, it’s 40.5 percent. Many of these young workers are trying to gain skills and climb the employment ladder. The current state of the labor market is significantly disrupting their ability to do so, with consequences that will ripple through their careers for many years.

https://www.nationalreview.com/nrd/articles/348502/new-jobs-agenda/page/0/2

May 28, 2013 at 8:02 a.m.
Livn4life said...

What has to be Most Funny about this is the fact that it is not the GOP which is causing the floor to crumble under the present President's feet. They just get all the blame! It's his unwillingness to listen and honestly try to work with anyone who opposes his approach. By the way, DrawBoy and others just keep the illusion going with stuff like this. I wonder what we will see next. Meanwhile, I laugh because this is very very funny...the fact that the cartoon and the sentiment behind it just do not get IT regarding what's not working for President Obama.

May 28, 2013 at 9:05 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Livn4: They don't get it, for they are duped.

May 28, 2013 at 11:07 a.m.
Maximus said...

Funny. Obama our former union organizer President has done a nice job of dividing the country. 50% of Americans pay taxes the other half is on relief and votes Democrat.

So very sad but true. Democrats.....trashy people.

May 28, 2013 at 11:11 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Fairmon says Re What’s to Love about Republicans: "I really don't think either party is worth a damn.”

Sounds like you can’t think of any positive contributions that the Republicans have made in the past decade, which I find interesting. . . But please know that I fully understand, Fairmon. . . Indeed, I encountered the same problem. . . As to the future, I think the Republican Party would be wise to reflect on the advice that some of these former Republican leaders are offering:

“You have a whole new group of lawmakers that know no other environment than the current one of dysfunction and disharmony. . . Yes, that’s troubling, especially if there’s some [senators] that are not interested in learning how it used to work in order to understand what your role is as a legislator, which is of course to solve problems for your constituents and for the country.” [Republican Senator Olympia Snowe]

May 28, 2013 at 12:31 p.m.
AndrewLohr said...

No new opinions today?

To solve problems, know what they are. Have our politicians made promises we cannot afford to keep? I'd say that's a problem. Who is trying to solve it? The Tea Party.

May 28, 2013 at 1:15 p.m.
dude_abides said...

God, they love Obama in New Jersey (a state which elected a republican governor)! A great recovery is in progress up there, and they obviously appreciate the importance his administration put on their lives and livelihoods. We will miss his stewardship when he's out of office. Hopefully, we won't revert to a "Heckuvajob Brownie" mentality. Our Heavenly Father is obviously happy with our choice for President. May God Bless New Jersey, President Obama, and The United States of America!

May 28, 2013 at 1:40 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

"And I've got to say, if they ever let me have any fun, I'd have some fun here," said Obama. "I was telling my staff on the ride over, yeah, I can see being a little younger and having some fun on the Jersey Shore. I can't do that anymore. Maybe after I leave office. I think a friend of mine from here once put it pretty well, 'Down the Shore everything's all right.'" bwahahahaha

May 28, 2013 at 1:49 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

ALPO says he runs several bidnesses. If he's paid by the word, he must be approaching Bill Gates wealth.

May 28, 2013 at 1:52 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

AndrewLohr says: "Have our politicians made promises we cannot afford to keep? I'd say that's a problem. Who is trying to solve it? The Tea Party."

The Tea Party? . . . Are you sure? . . I thought this group was a “social welfare” agency.

May 28, 2013 at 1:53 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

No Laurel, they're just grannies and grandpas, aunts and uncles, who want limited govt. and lower taxes. Of course they're all racists to your ilk, right?

May 28, 2013 at 2:04 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

It was so cute when Christie and Obama were eating from the same plate of spaghetti, and ended up nose-to-nose.

May 28, 2013 at 2:16 p.m.
facyspacy said...

Alprova wrote, "First of all, I seriously doubt you personally were in San Francisco last month and spoke to a soul. You're relating a widely distributed story, which is quite old, that can be found all over the web.

The "San Francisco Health Care Tax" also known as the "Healthy San Francisco Program" has nothing to do with ObamaCare. San Francisco City passed its own health care law in 2007, two and half years prior to ObamaCare, which mandates that all employers located inside the city with 20 to 99 employees spend no less than $1.17 per hour, per employee, for health care benefits. Employers with more than 99 employees must spend no less than $1.75 per hour, per employee for health care benefits." -Spent 4 days in napa and 3 in San Fran on April 1-8. Another statement you made that is not true. Also, what you are missing is that business is down due to increase in taxes (sales tax and health tax) and the increase in prices to cover the additional costs. Now I'm not talking about a corporation with 100 employees. It's a dang restaurant. I didn't day it was obamacare, I were trying to make a comparison to what will eventually happen across the US. Higher costs + higher taxes+ less people unemployed= less sales and less employees

May 28, 2013 at 2:20 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Plain_Jack_Dennis,

"No Laurel, they're just grannies and grandpas, aunts and uncles, who want limited govt."

The Tea Party only wants the government to limit/cut safety net programs, bank and business regulation, firearm regulations, public schools, climate change/green energy, rape laws, women's health/contraception, etc.

The Tea Party loves government intrusion when dealing with abortion clinics or abortion in general, gay marriage, state subsidized religion, oil companies, repealing Obamacare, foreign policy/warmongering, teaching creationism as science, disenfranchising voters, etc.

"and lower taxes."

You mean lower taxes on the rich and higher taxes on the scourge of America known as the "47 percent". You can't act like the Tea Party is for "lower taxes" when they are the ones touting higher taxes for nearly half of the American tax payers.

"Of course they're all racists to your ilk, right?"

Some are. But the majority are just illogical and/or ignorant. Examples include: Sarah Palin, Michele Bachmann, Rand Paul, Louie Gohmert, Diane Black, Joe Barton, Todd Akin, Jim DeMint, Joe Walsh, Todd Tiahrt.

May 28, 2013 at 2:47 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Easy: of all the duped, you are the most. Go on, align yourself with Pelosi, Reid, Sheila J. Lee, Lawrence O'Donnel, Babs Boxer. They are of Easy ilk.

May 28, 2013 at 3:23 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

As far as I know, there is no one who routinely participates in this forum, who has ever offered a negative opinion of anyone who has served in the military.


I did a little research and discovered that you had a long term and vitriolic discussion with another poster named Rolando. He had undoubtedly made some comment that I did not see but that greatly agitated you. This lead to a great deal of back and forth about government “support payments”and especially his military retirement.

You spend a lot of time and effort in relating how you honor our military service members but in these exchanges with Rolando you seem to let slip some very ugly truths about how you really feel.

Here are excerpts from some of your posts:

“Rolando, like it or not, you a person who is no longer working for a living and who draws a monthly check. That makes you the same kind of burden on this nation that any other person becomes when they retire, if the Government sends them an income and if they pay for one's medical care.

You are no more "entitled" to that check than anyone else is when they file for Social Security. The vast majority in this country works for what they get. In fact, those who file for Social Security are MORE entitled. Why? Because they paid their own earned money into that system in order to qualify for payments.

I remind you that you have NEVER been a taxpayer in this nation. You have only paid back part of what the true taxpayers have provided to you. You have not created one cent of wealth in this nation. You have been paid from the trough that the taxpayers replenish for you.

Yes, you worked twenty years in the military. You never came close to seeing battle or danger. That you admitted yourself more than once.


He's not working any longer, and he sure didn't fund his own retirement, and in light of that fact, I find many of his criticisms to be highly hypocritical.

I thank him for his military service, and he should be thanking us for his retirement checks.


You on the other hand made a conscious decision to become a Government hack. Is that a "right life decision?" I don't know about that, but as one who worked for Government for life, you have partaken of far more from the pie of Socialism than you would dare admit.

Thank you for your service to our country, but that ended, according to you, two decades ago. You are now a leach who criticizes the very Government that has been extending it's teat to you for at least four decades, paying your bills, and that now stands ready to pay for YOUR health care expenses now that you no longer serve anyone.

(cont)

May 28, 2013 at 3:26 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

(cont)

During many of those years you were serving, I was writing checks to the Government on a weekly, quarterly, and yearly basis, that helped the Government pay your salary, so you don't get the gold key to the latrine by default, just because you served this country. I served this nation as well by being a dutiful taxpayer.

I dare offer that not one person that our military has encountered in battle in both Iraq and Afghanistan has attempted to harm one person within the borders of this country. Our military went over there to wage a war and they found it.

May 28, 2013 at 3:27 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Yeah Alpo. Thanks for your service!

May 28, 2013 at 3:35 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Plain_Jack_Dennis,

"Easy: of all the duped, you are the most."

Then dispute what I said.

Of all those lacking the ability to present facts and/or incessantly talk out of ones ass, consider yourself the reigning champion.

"Go on, align yourself with Pelosi, Reid, Sheila J. Lee, Lawrence O'Donnel, Babs Boxer. They are of Easy ilk."

I don't align myself with any of those people. But I see you've aligned yourself with the Tea Party nimrods. Suckle that Rush Limbaugh teat for us, Jackie.

May 28, 2013 at 4:08 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Once again, PlainTruth uses an avatar which very closely resembles his true visage! The avatar's face also looks like old pre-Rebus.

May 28, 2013 at 4:14 p.m.
fairmon said...

mountainlaurel said...

Fairmon says Re What’s to Love about Republicans: "I really don't think either party is worth a damn.”

Sounds like you can’t think of any positive contributions that the Republicans have made in the past decade, which I find interesting.

I don't think either party has made a positive contribution. I think they are both tax and spend with different venues. I view grid lock as good. the economy has S-l-o-w-l-y improved with grid lock. In my opinion if Obama had his way we would be bankrupt in a short time. Obama has to be the weakest leader since Carter. I really don't think he has a clue about what to but with his experience what else should be expected. That is not to be interpreted as McCain would have done better. I am wondering by what authority McCain runs his butt to a country in conflict to meet with the protesters to consider our further involvement.

By 2016 the Libertarian party may look very attractive to a high number of voters. Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi make me sick, they are two idiots if ever there was such in congress.

May 28, 2013 at 4:24 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Easy, you should be ashamed to even show up here, Psycho-Boy..

Dude, still obsessed with my avatars. How are things at the public trough today, Dudely?

May 28, 2013 at 4:35 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova:

Jt said - "By the way that is not a confirmation, on my part, that your statements can not be refuted. However that is not the point I am making here."

Then get busy refuting them. That's what you think you're good at, eh?


I could simply just post

“Clearly, you didn't read my post or you wouldn't be asking such a stupid question.”

“Go back and read it to see if you can figure out where you went wrong.”

However that would put me on the same dishonest level as you. So I’ll explain it in the detail that you obviously require.

If you will notice I made no claim that your statements could be refuted even though this one is being refuted. I only said that any statement I made earlier in my post could not to be used for claiming I was endorsing your statements as being irrefutable.

I even went so far as to add a sentence that declared that refuting your statements was not my objective in that post. Yet you just had to post:

“Then get busy refuting them”

Your continued claims of ignorance, about what others mean in their posts, is only exceeded by your actual ignorance of the same.

May 28, 2013 at 4:50 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

ALPO, Like me, Jt has your number, pal.

May 28, 2013 at 4:53 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

From The Hill:

The House Judiciary Committee is investigating whether Attorney General Eric Holder lied under oath during his May 15 testimony on the Justice Department’s (DOJ) surveillance of reporters, an aide close to the matter told The Hill.

The panel is looking at a statement Holder made during a back and forth with Rep. Hank Johnson (D-Ga.) about whether the DOJ could prosecute reporters under the Espionage Act of 1917.

“In regard to potential prosecution of the press for the disclosure of material -- this is not something I’ve ever been involved in, heard of, or would think would be wise policy,” Holder said during the hearing.

However, NBC News reported last week that Holder personally approved a search warrant that labeled Fox News chief Washington correspondent James Rosen a co-conspirator in a national security leaks case.

The panel is investigating whether NBC’s report contradicts Holder’s claim that he had not looked into or been involved with a possible prosecution of the press in a leaks case.

May 28, 2013 at 5:05 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Jt: But was it willful lying? Any criticism of Holder is pure racism.

May 28, 2013 at 5:08 p.m.
joneses said...

Jt6gR3hM

Alpos has not the ability to comprehend the simplest of post. He constantly replies to conservatives post based on what he thinks you are saying versus what you are actually saying. This is a sign of liberal mental illness. If you post the truth, say, hmmm, "hussien barrack obama is half black", alpos immediately interprets what you said as you being racist when that is not what you said or meant at all. All you were saying was hussein obama is half black, that is all. I tested alpos way of misinterpreting on him to see how he likes it. Alpos said he did not care if the illegal immigrants break the law by coming here or not. I accused him of not caring even if they murdered someone to get here. He was pissed. My point was to prove alpos like all liberals are hypocrites. It is okay for alpos to lie about conservatives but when you turn their tricks on them they go nuts. How he exist in this world I will never know. Alpos is just another miserable liberal who hates everything he does not have or want.

May 28, 2013 at 5:16 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

by LARRY O'CONNOR

The New Yorker's Ryan Lizza reports that the effort by the Justice Department to obtain the controversial court order was arduous, contentious and unsuccessful until finally a third judge acquiesced.

The new documents show that two judges separately declared that the Justice Department was required to notify Rosen of the search warrant, even if the notification came after a delay. Otherwise: “The subscriber therefore will never know, by being provided a copy of the warrant, for example, that the government secured a warrant and searched the contents of her e-mail account,” Judge John M. Facciola wrote in an opinion rejecting the Obama Administration’s argument.

Machen appealed that decision, and in September, 2010, Royce C. Lamberth, the chief judge in the Federal District Court for the District of Columbia, granted Machen’s request to overturn the order of the two judges.

Lizza goes on to explain that Holder's Justice Department argued to the court that reporter James Rosen was a co-conspirator in a conspiracy to commit espionage (Really?) and lists the detailed information they wished to explore.

The revelation that two courts denied the secret subpoena before Lamberth finally agreed will damage the narrative that there was nothing extraordinary or out-of-bounds about Holder's attempt to delve into the private communications of Rosen and his employer.

May 28, 2013 at 5:19 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Plain_Jack_Dennis,

"Easy, you should be ashamed to even show up here, Psycho-Boy.."

LMFAO!!! You're one big, stupid ball of irony, aren't you, Jackie?

"ALPO, Like me, Jt has your number, pal."

You shamelessly ride the coattails of the enemies of your enemies. You're the TFP equivalent of the kid that gets picked on befriending a bigger kid for protection and/or the appearance of not being weak. Jt6_quoque doesn't have anyones number. The woman would argue with a spoon and is much more long-winded than alprova ever dreamed of being despite your obliviousness (hypocrisy) to that fact.

Your support of Jt6_quoque serves to discredit both of you.

May 28, 2013 at 5:31 p.m.
Easy123 said...

jt6_quoque,

"If you will notice I made no claim that your statements could be refuted even though this one is being refuted."

You did, albeit indirectly, but that is what was implied by your statement.

"I only said that any statement I made earlier in my post could not to be used for claiming I was endorsing your statements as being irrefutable."

If you want to play that game, alprova never said you made such a claim. Alprova simply said: "Then get busy refuting them.".

"Your continued claims of ignorance, about what others mean in their posts, is only exceeded by your actual ignorance of the same."

You're stating the obvious. If alprova asks what someone meant (a.k.a. "claims of ignorance"), wouldn't that mean he is, in fact, unaware of what that person actually meant (a.k.a. "your actual ignorance of the same)?

You underestimate how incoherent yourself and others tend to be. It's observable in your inability to clarify anything you've typed.

You've successfully made your attempt at sounding intelligent look very unintelligent. Maybe, if you could get of your (extra) high horse and explain what you mean instead of trying to make yourself (falsely) sound intelligent, you might get on with the conversation.

But I suppose you enjoy being professional cockalorum.

May 28, 2013 at 5:39 p.m.
dude_abides said...

PlainTruth said... "Dude, still obsessed with my avatars. How are things at the public trough today, Dudely?"

Isn't this a wonderful medium? Where a man who relies on some trumped up disability claim to make ends meet can accuse others of doing the same, and nobody can prove otherwise? I cannot prove that you're not the Pope, but I can just kind of tell, y'know?

May 28, 2013 at 6:16 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Easy123 said...

You did, albeit indirectly, but that is what was implied by your statement.

(No it wasn’t)

If you want to play that game, alprova never said you made such a claim. Alprova simply said: "Then get busy refuting them.".

(He did so indirectly as he definitely implied it)

If alprova asks what someone meant (a.k.a. "claims of ignorance"), wouldn't that mean he is unaware of what that person actually meant (a.k.a. "your actual ignorance of the same)?

(No, alprova is first with you running a close second, that are infamous for “sandbagging” - the deliberate downplaying of perception or abilities to scam your opponents)

You underestimate how incoherent yourself and others tend to be.

(Maybe I just overestimated you ability to coherently comprehend complex “stuff”)

You've successfully made your attempt at sounding intelligent look very unintelligent.

(Since you can not hear me wouldn’t the word “appearing” be more appropriate? - That didn’t appear to be too supercillious ... did it?)

Maybe, if you could get of your (extra) high horse and explain what you mean instead of trying to make yourself (falsely) sound intelligent, you might get on with the conversation.

(So you want me to dumb it down for the low wattage types like you?)

But I suppose you enjoy being professional cockalorum.

(Examples of COCKALORUM - 1- A boxer who was as famous for his prefight cockalorumas for his knockouts in the ring - 2 - Muhammad Ali's reputation as boxing's most colorful cockalorum. - I can accept that)

May 28, 2013 at 6:27 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Dudely: no disability here, trumped or otherwise. How's that trough treating you? Good I would imagine.

Easy: Your time would be better spent looking for the right summer camp.

May 28, 2013 at 6:35 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Two U.S. embassy personnel were shot in a strip club in Caracas Venezuela however their injuries are not life-threatening.

It’s reported by someone, unimpeachable and yet in the White House, that there was an altercation over an internet video.

Under orders of the Commander in Chief the U.S. 7th Fleet is steaming to the rescue and will arrive for duty in about a week.

Story still developing.

May 28, 2013 at 6:43 p.m.
alprova said...

JT wrote: "I did a little research and discovered that you had a long term and vitriolic discussion with another poster named Rolando."

Which does not concern you and I'm certainly not going to discuss it with you. Rolando and I go a long way back.

"You spend a lot of time and effort in relating how you honor our military service members...(snipped)"

I have never claimed to "honor" any military members. What does that mean anyway? Do I respect them? Yes. But I do not place anyone who has served in the military on a pedestal and worship them, like some of them demand and desire.

Believe whatever you want, based on those one-sided responses.

I'm not about to discuss anything related to them with you.

May 28, 2013 at 7:44 p.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "ALPO, Like me, Jt has your number, pal."

Yap, yap, yap, pant, pant, pant, (while wagging your little tail)

Yap, yap, yap, (taking a whiz on her leg)...

May 28, 2013 at 7:48 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Syrian war now bad guys vs. bad guys. Should we arm both?

May 28, 2013 at 7:59 p.m.
Maximus said...

Alprova, how long have you been on disability? If you have enough time to not only support the mindless liberal con of the Democrat party via Clays toons but to do "research" you should not be on disability. Also Dude our heavenly Father is not pleased that the entire proceeds, BILLIONS$$$$,of Barry The Welfare Pimps recent class warfare driven tax increase went to NJ to rebuild Blue State Beach Front Property. The gastric bypass guvna of Jersey is done as a national Republican figure . He could never carry a RedState due to his pre-election photo op with Barry. Talk about corruption, can you imagine how many Jersey mafia construction and sanitation companies are cashing in up there in union country? WILL HOLDER SURVIVE? No, the AP lie is going to sink him! Ain't nothin but a gangster thang, our President was quoted as saying......:)

May 28, 2013 at 8:15 p.m.
alprova said...

joneses wrote: "Alpos has not the ability to comprehend the simplest of post."

And joneses has not the ability to construct the simplest sentence.

"He constantly replies to conservatives post based on what he thinks you are saying versus what you are actually saying."

What are YOU saying today?

"This is a sign of liberal mental illness."

You seem to know a great deal about mental illness. You accuse someone of it every single day.

"If you post the truth, say, hmmm, "hussien barrack obama is half black", alpos immediately interprets what you said as you being racist when that is not what you said or meant at all."

You have purposely inserted a lie, not a truth, into this, your latest whine. I, unlike many people who frequent this forum, know the definition of the word.

You on the other hand, have decided to insert a racial reference into another of your machinations. Why?

"All you were saying was hussein obama is half black, that is all."

It's not hard to notice that a racial reference is a quantity that is simply on your mind at all times.

"I tested alpos way of misinterpreting on him to see how he likes it."

joneses, you are a legend in your own mind.

"Alpos said he did not care if the illegal immigrants break the law by coming here or not. I accused him of not caring even if they murdered someone to get here. He was pissed."

I was? http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2013/may/23/the_welcome_mat-cartoon-clay-bennett/?opinioncartoons#c230018

My exact response to that stupid accusation was, and I quote, "How you extrapolate that conclusion from what I wrote, is beyond all comprehension."

Your comprehension of what you read is as good as your ability to determine the status of one's temperament.

"My point was to prove alpos like all liberals are hypocrites."

You wouldn't know to make a point if it pricked you on your little toe.

"It is okay for alpos to lie about conservatives but when you turn their tricks on them they go nuts."

I shudder to think of the "tricks" that you turn on a regular basis. Sorry...not interested. I'm quite straight.

"How he exist in this world I will never know."

You sure won't.

"Alpos is just another miserable liberal who hates everything he does not have or want."

Sir, my life is quite full and material things mean very little to me. I earn a good living and my health is hanging by a thread, but I have a family that loves me and that I love back. What else does a man need?

May 28, 2013 at 8:16 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

Which does not concern you and I'm certainly not going to discuss it with you. Rolando and I go a long way back.

(Oh but it does concern me. I reserve the right, to myself, to comment on anything that is posted on this web site and I think you are well aware of and agree with that position. If you don’t like it you can stop posting here and request that the TFP remove all of your previous ones.)

I have never claimed to "honor" any military members. What does that mean anyway?

(Again with the willful ignorance? Definition of HONOR - good name or public esteem; a showing of usually merited respect; one whose worth brings respect or fame; the privilege of playing first from the tee in golf)

Do I respect them? Yes. But I do not place anyone who has served in the military on a pedestal and worship them, like some of them demand and desire.

(Whatever allows you to get through the day)

Believe whatever you want, based on those one-sided responses. I'm not about to discuss anything related to them with you.

(Your original claim was “As far as I know, there is no one who routinely participates in this forum, who has ever offered a negative opinion of anyone who has served in the military.” After what I posted of your statements I can certainly understand why you wouldn’t want to discuss anything about this subject ... Right?)

May 28, 2013 at 8:18 p.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "Dudely: no disability here, trumped or otherwise. How's that trough treating you? Good I would imagine."

You clearly do not work for a living. You post 16 hours a day, seven days a week.

It is highly likely that you are retired and drawing Social Security payments.

Of course, you would never admit in a million years to that, because it would place you in a perilous position of rampant hypocrisy, but like Dude_abides alluded, and that I'm sure you would agree, some things are just the plain truth.

May 28, 2013 at 8:25 p.m.
jesse said...

Whats all the stigma attached to drawing SS??

I'm on it after working for 45 years and i don't feel the need to back up when i get my check!!

May 28, 2013 at 8:30 p.m.
alprova said...

Maximus wrote: "Alprova, how long have you been on disability?"

E-mail me, let's set up a meeting, preferably at my office, and all your questions will be answered.

"If you have enough time to not only support the mindless liberal con of the Democrat party via Clays toons but to do "research" you should not be on disability."

Well, there ya' go. Obviously I am not on disability.

"Also Dude our heavenly Father is not pleased that the entire proceeds, BILLIONS$$$$,of Barry The Welfare Pimps recent class warfare driven tax increase went to NJ to rebuild Blue State Beach Front Property."

It's very dangerous for anyone to dare speak for God. If you had an ounce of Christianity in you, you would know that.

"The gastric bypass guvna of Jersey is done as a national Republican figure . He could never carry a RedState due to his pre-election photo op with Barry."

If the man runs for President, you'd be very surprised at the number of crossover votes he will get. If he runs, even as a Republican, I may have to abandon Hillary.

May 28, 2013 at 8:33 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Jt6_quoque,

"No it wasn’t"

That is logically inconsistent considering you are about to accuse alprova of "indirectly" stating something that was less "indirectly" stated than you previous claim and far less implied than alprovas. Thus, according to your denial of my claim of your "indirect, implied claim", you are apparently denying your own logic.

Kudos to your idiocy.

"He did so indirectly as he definitely implied it"

You refuted that same logic in your statement above. Sorry, try again.

"No, alprova is first with you running a close second, that are infamous for “sandbagging” - the deliberate downplaying of perception or abilities to scam your opponents"

Or maybe you're just truly incoherent. The only common variable in both equations is you. It's not myself or alprova's fault that you lack perception in understanding when you are, in fact, typing sentences and making allusions to things are only privy to your mind.

"Maybe I just overestimated you ability to coherently comprehend complex “stuff”

More like you've overestimated your ability to relay your opinion of ideas that you deem "complex" in a coherent way. Just because you feel like you know what you're talking about doesn't mean other people do. And just because you believing that others are "sandbagging" in order to (somehow) "scam" you, doesn't make you any more sane.

"Since you can not hear me wouldn’t the word “appearing” be more appropriate?"

Since I cannot see you either, wouldn't the word "seeming" be the most appropriate?

"That didn’t appear to be too supercillious ... did it?"

Two can play that game.

"So you want me to dumb it down for the low wattage types like you?"

In order for people to understand you, it would be advantageous if you would forego your attempts at trying to seem intelligent in order to help yourself make more sense. You are the low wattage one, madam. Folks like yourself that trade clarity and precision for feigned intelligence are a dime a dozen.

Once you come to the realization that you aren't the person you think you are, you might actually be capable of engaging in a real debate.

"I can accept that"

Definition of COCKALORUM

1: a boastful and self-important person

Finally, self-awareness for the jt6_quoque.

May 28, 2013 at 8:38 p.m.
alprova said...

JT wrote: "Oh but it does concern me. I reserve the right, to myself, to comment on anything that is posted on this web site and I think you are well aware of and agree with that position."

I do...so have fun commenting with no response from me on that.

"If you don’t like it you can stop posting here and request that the TFP remove all of your previous ones."

I'll be here until my last gasp of breath.

"Again with the willful ignorance? Definition of HONOR - good name or public esteem; a showing of usually merited respect; one whose worth brings respect or fame; the privilege of playing first from the tee in golf"

Well then, I honor and respect those who show the same to anyone else. And that's all I've got to say about that.

"Your original claim was "As far as I know, there is no one who routinely participates in this forum, who has ever offered a negative opinion of anyone who has served in the military." After what I posted of your statements I can certainly understand why you wouldn’t want to discuss anything about this subject ... Right?"

You'll never know dear. Those exchanges are not up for discussion between you and I. There are people who have been around a long time, who know what prompted those responses from myself.

Keep digging into the archives. You'll eventually find them.

May 28, 2013 at 8:40 p.m.
alprova said...

jesse wrote: "Whats all the stigma attached to drawing SS??"

There isn't any, as far as I am concerned. But people who continuously hammer ten pound sledge hammers on the issue of social entitlements, do so quite hypocritically, if in fact they depend on one of those social entitlements for their sustenance.

You are not one who has swung one of those ten pounders.

"I'm on it after working for 45 years and i don't feel the need to back up when i get my check!!"

I'm in full agreement that you should not be ashamed at all. You have earned it and you are entitled to it.

May 28, 2013 at 8:47 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Alpo: I've not mentioned being retired because, unlike you, I don't vomit personal info. What does being retired have to do with it, anyways.

May 28, 2013 at 8:50 p.m.
patriot1 said...

Alpo (registered republican) I too would like to thank you for your "service."

May 28, 2013 at 8:52 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Plain_Jack_Dennis,

"Easy: Your time would be better spent looking for the right summer camp."

And your time would be better spent looking for a plot at the cemetery, but that would mean having to stop posting here for a few hours.

May 28, 2013 at 9:10 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Easy. Very nice post, psycho-boy.

May 28, 2013 at 9:12 p.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "Alpo: I've not mentioned being retired because, unlike you, I don't vomit personal info."

And unlike yourself, I have nothing to hide. It's my choice what I reveal and what I don't.

If I chose to operate in this forum like you do, I'd hide behind my monitor too and reveal nothing.

"What does being retired have to do with it, anyways."

Not a thing. I went back and checked. You're not an anti-social program sledge hammer swinger either, although your blatant support of everything Republican led me to believe that you were.

I commend you for not being a hypocrite. Enjoy those checks. I'm paying in lots of money every quarter, so that they don't bounce every month.

May 28, 2013 at 9:13 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Hey Alpy, I paid dearly for those checks.....many years the maximum. I suspect, in your case, you will pull out more than me. If you're not already.

May 28, 2013 at 9:21 p.m.
joneses said...

Hey folks, did you see alpos miss the basic understanding of my post again? He accuses me of racism again and I have never posted anything racist. More proof alpos's mind is challenged with liberal mental illness. It appears alpos responses are written even before he reads the post. His responses to my post are actually quite insane and it is like he never reads the post. Alpos is one weird bird.

May 28, 2013 at 9:27 p.m.
alprova said...

patriot1 wrote: "Alpo (registered republican) I too would like to thank you for your "service."..."

I know that you're being highly sarcastic, but let me state in all seriousness, that as a businessman and a loyal taxpayer, who has written many checks to the IRS over the last 30 plus years, I consider myself to be as patriotic as any one of you who has served in the Military.

Taxpayers fund the Military and without those of us writing those checks, faithfully and responsibly, there would be no military.

We are all citizens of these United States of America, and it takes all of us, each in our own ways of contributing what we can, to keeping this nation strong, successful, and in a state that we can pass it on to future generations.

I did not serve my country as a soldier in the military. I grew up in between conflicts and actually was turned down for entry in the military, because we were at peace with the world and the military was being downsized. By the time there was a need for volunteers, I was too old to serve.

The fact is that I continue to serve my country with every tax paying check I write to support our Government, and no one is going to express enough sarcasm to make me ashamed of that.

May 28, 2013 at 9:28 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Plain_Jack_Dennis,

"Easy. Very nice post, psycho-boy."

Any more zingers, coffin dodger?

May 28, 2013 at 9:30 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Joneses,

You always prove the claims made against you. You're truly oblivious and patently ignorant.

May 28, 2013 at 9:33 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Hey Jesse: Not a damn thing wrong with you pulling SS checks.

May 28, 2013 at 9:35 p.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "Hey Alpy, I paid dearly for those checks.....many years the maximum."

You do know that the money you paid in was spent years ago. I'm not minimizing your contributions, but it takes money flowing in today to keep the system afloat.

I'm proud of you. Was it so hard to reveal just a little personal info? I wasn't being an ass when I told you to enjoy those checks. Of course, you've earned them.

"I suspect, in your case, you will pull out more than me. If you're not already."

As I stated the other day, If I should live so long, which is doubtful, I will not retire for another 13 years.

I too paid the maximum amounts for many years. I'm striving to get there again.

May 28, 2013 at 9:36 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Well, Alpy, Here's hoping you draw SS for many years.

May 28, 2013 at 9:44 p.m.
alprova said...

joneses wrote: "Hey folks, did you see alpos miss the basic understanding of my post again? He accuses me of racism again and I have never posted anything racist."

Will you be so kind to quote the sentence in my post offered at 8:16pm where I accused you of anything but lying?

May 28, 2013 at 9:45 p.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "Well, Alpy, Here's hoping you draw SS for many years."

I doubt that I will be alive in 13 years, but anything is possible.

I appreciate the well wishes and I so wish you the same.

May 28, 2013 at 9:50 p.m.
Maximus said...

Alprova, no email and no meeting, I do not associate with socialists that support Obama. I am glad that you agree that Holder is done and will be forced out soon. Our country is great. When we have a bad leader, and everyone knows it, our system allows dissenters to chip away at him to reduce him or her to inefficiency.

Christy played Obama to get that incredible sum of U.S. currency. Oklahoma will get a pitence compared to Democrat N.J. That is how thug Obama operates and anyone that could even consider supporting that dried up hag Benghazi murder liar Skank Hillary Clinton has got to be either a heartless leftist ideolog or an idiot. Again Alprova, no meeting and I guess since you are not 62 you are drawing your SS early because you are a terrible salesman or on disability. My Social Security checks will go to my grand kids private school education. God forbid they go to useless public schools run by Democrats.

May 28, 2013 at 10:41 p.m.
Maximus said...

Oh I forgot, Barry said in a Memorial Day speech over the weekend, that Americans died in wars to make things fair. What? Obama always looks very out of place when he is around our military. Why? Obama looks and speaks like a squeamish college professor when he is around people of higher character than he.....I.e. anyone in the military. Obama apparently does not like to salute Marines. Scumbag community organizer.

Alprova since you love, love writing checks to the IRS why don't you just send it all in and let the IRS take care of you. RIP Alprova. :)$

May 28, 2013 at 10:49 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Maximusty,

Your psychosis has been duly noted.

May 28, 2013 at 10:56 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Easy123 said ...

That is logically inconsistent considering you are about to accuse alprova of "indirectly" stating something that was less "indirectly" stated than you previous claim and far less implied than alprovas. Thus, according to your denial of my claim of your "indirect, implied claim", you are apparently denying your own logic.


One word Mr. Easy123 “Sardonic” (Definition of SARDONIC: disdainfully or skeptically humorous; derisively mocking)

That is the answer to you befuddlement concerning the buzzing going over your head.


Since I cannot see you either, wouldn't the word "seeming" be the most appropriate?


This is absolutely amazing as it “seems” you are the only person I have encountered that receives the output of their computer via telepathy. When most everyone else has to continue to read what “appears” on their display.

May 28, 2013 at 11:01 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Jt6_quoque,

"One word Mr. Easy123 “Sardonic” (Definition of SARDONIC: disdainfully or skeptically humorous; derisively mocking)"

So you're admitting being blatantly disingenuous and/or feigning ignorance, correct? One word Ms. Jt6_quoque "HYPOCRITE".

"That is the answer to you befuddlement concerning the buzzing going over your head."

That's just how you cover your butt. You act like your ignorance and irrationality was purposeful. "Sandbagging", right?

"When most everyone else has to continue to read what “appears” on their display."

Yet, YOU never "seem" to "appear" on my display. Words you have typed that show up under your screen name are not a visage of you, madam.

Would you like to try again?

May 28, 2013 at 11:11 p.m.
alprova said...

Maximus wrote: "Alprova, no email and no meeting, I do not associate with socialists that support Obama."

Just remember, I'm very willing to prove who and what I am to you. You're hiding behind a computer monitor, you pathetic pathological lying phony.

"I am glad that you agree that Holder is done and will be forced out soon."

I'll bet Holder isn't going anywhere.

"Christy (sic) played Obama to get that incredible sum of U.S. currency."

Or maybe Christie is playing for Obama's support if he runs for President. Wouldn't that be a kick in the nuts to every single one of you Republican cheerleaders?

Why he might even cross over to the Democrat Party.

"Oklahoma will get a pitence (sic) compared to Democrat N.J."

Understandable, given that the damage in New Jersey was such, that a pittance would pay for it.

"Again Alprova, no meeting and I guess since you are not 62 you are drawing your SS early because you are a terrible salesman or on disability."

Nope. Unlike yourself, who has lots of free time on the weekdays, I do have a business to run and sales are exceptionally good this month, which has had me working late most days.

Check my posting times.

"My Social Security checks will go to my grand kids (sic) private school education. God forbid they go to useless public schools run by Democrats."

Ah...the irony of a phony educational grant, used to produce more little Hitlers with taxpayer funded social entitlements.

I don't happen to believe for one second that you are in any position to, 1.) Have so much as one Grandkid, and 2.) That you will be able to survive without the benefit of social assistance, if you are not already receiving monthly support.

Even a man such as yourself, who lives in Fantasy land, will have to pay your rent, eat and pay their electric bill. Water will be considered a luxury that you may not be able to afford, given that your current contribution to your future retirement comes from stuffing pizzas in an oven six hours a day.

May 28, 2013 at 11:16 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Easy123 said...

Jt6_quoque - "One word Mr. Easy123 “Sardonic” (Definition of SARDONIC: disdainfully or skeptically humorous; derisively mocking)"

So you're admitting being blatantly disingenuous and/or feigning ignorance, correct? One word Ms. Jt6_quoque "HYPOCRITE".


NO.

Definition of DISINGENUOUS: lacking in candor; also : giving a false appearance of simple frankness

Definition of FEIGN: - to give a false appearance of : induce as a false impression

Definition of HYPOCRITE: - a person who acts as easy as 123 in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings

May 28, 2013 at 11:39 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Jt6_quoque,

"NO."

Then what is it?

"Definition of DISINGENUOUS: lacking in candor; also : giving a false appearance of simple frankness"

Could there be a more suitable word for you?

"Definition of FEIGN: - to give a false appearance of : induce as a false impression"

That's what you just admitted to. It's your go-to.

"Definition of HYPOCRITE: - a person who acts as easy as 123 in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings"

I found that "more suitable word" I was looking for. Tu quoque, remember?

May 28, 2013 at 11:42 p.m.
alprova said...

Maxumus wrote: "Oh I forgot, Barry said in a Memorial Day speech over the weekend, that Americans died in wars to make things fair."

That Sir, is not what he said. He said, and I quote, "And every day, let's work together to preserve what their sacrifices achieved...to make our country even stronger, even more fair, even more free."

"Obama always looks very out of place when he is around our military."

At least as much out of place as you do, every time you try to pass yourself off as a business owner.

"Obama looks and speaks like a squeamish college professor when he is around people of higher character than he.....I.e. anyone in the military."

What an expression of pure ignorance, because you should be aware that the entire military salutes the President. After all, he is the Commander-In-Chief of the United States Military.

"Obama apparently does not like to salute Marines. Scumbag community organizer."

OMG...he forgot to return a salute!! Call Matt Drudge!! He'll post the video on his page!! It's the end of the world as we know it!!

Relax...The President realized his mistake and quickly returned to apologize to the Marine;

http://www.webpronews.com/obama-forgot-to-salute-apologized-to-soldier-2013-05

In the spirit of bi-partisanship, I refer you to proof that GWB had a little saluting problem of his own. He forgot who the subordinate was.

http://snopes.com/glurge/birdwell.asp

"Alprova since you love, love writing checks to the IRS why don't you just send it all in and let the IRS take care of you."

I never said that I "love" writing those checks, but I do recognize that as a patriotic American, it is my duty to do so, under Federal law.

Every time I write a larger check than the one before, it tells me that I am on the right track. It means I have earned more money.

You won't ever see me bitching about that.

Here Maxi....watch an American President speak to you about the meaning of Memorial Day;

May 28, 2013 at 11:45 p.m.

Flat tax.

May 29, 2013 at 12:40 a.m.
fairmon said...

Watch for shocking news this week or early next week regarding the subpoena of reporter phone data and investigations. It won't be pretty and should upset any reasonably intelligent American that appreciates the value of a free press.

The only way to get at the truth about the IRS is with an independent prosecutor with subpoena power and the option of criminal charges.

May 29, 2013 at 3:43 a.m.
degage said...

This is the 4th day for this cartoon. Easy is back from his vacation and Bennett has started his.

May 29, 2013 at 6:59 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Fairmon says: “The only way to get at the truth about the IRS is with an independent prosecutor with subpoena power and the option of criminal charges.”

I seriously doubt that either you or most of our politicians are actually interested in the “real” truth about this issue because the "real" truth would involve investigating the misuse of the 501 (c) 4 Section by these various political organizations. Speaking of which, the NYT has a good article that touches on the “real” truth:

"When CVFC, a conservative veterans’ group in California, applied for tax-exempt status with the Internal Revenue Service, its biggest expenditure that year was several thousand dollars in radio ads backing a Republican candidate for Congress.

The Wetumpka Tea Party, from Alabama, sponsored training for a get-out-the-vote initiative dedicated to the “defeat of President Barack Obama” while the I.R.S. was weighing its application. And the head of the Ohio Liberty Coalition, whose application languished with the I.R.S. for more than two years, sent out e-mails to members about Mitt Romney campaign events and organized members to distribute Mr. Romney’s presidential campaign literature.

Representatives of these organizations have cried foul in recent weeks about their treatment by the I.R.S., saying they were among dozens of conservative groups unfairly targeted by the agency, harassed with inappropriate questionnaires and put off for months or years as the agency delayed decisions on their applications.

But a close examination of these groups and others reveals an array of election activities that tax experts and former I.R.S. officials said would provide a legitimate basis for flagging them for closer review.

“Money is not the only thing that matters,” said Donald B. Tobin, a former lawyer with the Justice Department’s tax division who is a law professor at Ohio State University. “While some of the I.R.S. questions may have been overbroad, you can look at some of these groups and understand why these questions were being asked.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/27/us/politics/nonprofit-applicants-chafing-at-irs-tested-political-limits.html?pagewanted=all

May 29, 2013 at 7:49 a.m.
fairmon said...

mountainlaurel said... Fairmon says: “The only way to get at the truth about the IRS is with an independent prosecutor with subpoena power and the option of criminal charges.”

I seriously doubt that either you or most of our politicians are actually interested in the “real” truth about this issue because the "real" truth would involve investigating the misuse of the 501 (c) 4 Section by these various political organizations. Speaking of which, the NYT has a good article that touches on the “real” truth:

Whoa...Do you not recall my post that there should be no exemptions of the tea party and similar organizations. There should be no exemptions for unions or religious organizations. I don't believe most could qualify if properly screened. However, the truth regarding the IRS behavior is important, people should be demanding the truth. You read the NYT? That explains a lot about your narrow economic and big centralized government view. BTW...does Acorn and George Soros sponsored organizations have an exemption?

May 29, 2013 at 8:38 a.m.
fairmon said...

China to buy Smithfield foods for $7 billion in cash. Of course they say nothing will change although they are paying a huge per share premium. In the event of a food shortage who will be given priority? Smithfield is a major source of pork products.

May 29, 2013 at 8:47 a.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said... PT wrote: "Hey Alpy, I paid dearly for those checks.....many years the maximum."

You do know that the money you paid in was spent years ago. I'm not minimizing your contributions, but it takes money flowing in today to keep the system afloat.

YES...like any Ponzi scheme. Social security should be ended for those under age 50 and replaced with a personal savings option. The unfunded liberalizations since inception has shortened the years of viability without something being done. The longer it is postponed the more drastic the action will need to be.

May 29, 2013 at 9:01 a.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "YES...like any Ponzi scheme. Social security should be ended for those under age 50 and replaced with a personal savings option."

Why make it an option? We're already conditioned and used to deductions from our paychecks.

When one is issued a Social Security Number, at birth, issue them an empty IRA account that can be contributed to throughout their lives. Parents, Grandparents, Uncles, Aunts, anyone for that matter, can fund it on behalf of the child while they grow up, if they choose to do so.

When one turns 16 and gets their first job, and from then on, mandate that 10% of their earnings be deducted and placed in their IRA's, never to be touched, never to be borrowed from, never to be cashed in, until they reach retirement.

Of course, those in charge of investments would have to be under a microscope at all times. Wall Street would have to be reformed tremendously to prevent anything and everything that could lead to busts and the wiping out of investments.

Even people under the age of 50 have been contributing funds towards their Social Security for more than 30 years. Is it fair to just look at them and say, "Sorry 'bout that. You've got only a few years left to get it all together."

If the Government were to take what they have contributed thus far throughout their working lives, place it into their IRA, then we might have something to talk about.

What will be left over to fund those already on Social Security? What will fund those who currently rely on Medicare?

It could be done, and these and many more issues are what our nation's elected representatives should be working on, debating, discussing, attempting to resolve.

But right now, they are posturing themselves, with everything they are doing, to win future elections and beating up or defending the current administration.

It's no wonder why we have trouble getting along in this forum. Our nation's leaders set the same example.

May 29, 2013 at 9:48 a.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "China to buy Smithfield foods for $7 billion in cash. Of course they say nothing will change although they are paying a huge per share premium. In the event of a food shortage who will be given priority? Smithfield is a major source of pork products."

Notwithstanding the fact that most of us could live without the first bite of pork in our mouths, the pigs, the plants, the distribution network that Smithfield utilizes are all located right here in the U.S.

If there were to be a food shortage, God forbid, everything would still be here. There are still many U.S. based pork producers which could and would pay more for pigs, prices would skyrocket, and only the rich would eat bacon.

But hey, if pork were to disappear and the Chinese were to reap the benefits from owning a U.S. dietary staple, we'd all be healthier and they would be fat and having heart attacks in droves.

No great loss.

May 29, 2013 at 10:01 a.m.
jesse said...

SPEAK FOR YASELF AL!!!

Life w/o b-b-q baby back ribs ain't worth livin!!

Been eaten pork all my 73 years and have NO health probs.except arthrites!!( smoke and drink too!

May 29, 2013 at 10:17 a.m.
Maximus said...

Alprova, a CPA that can sell. Uh huh. Folks, continue to buy defense, gun, and home security stocks. It is going to be a long hot summer. My only hope is that Obama can keep things fair. :)$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$)

May 29, 2013 at 10:28 a.m.
patriot1 said...

alpo (registered republican) seez.....mandate that 10% of their earnings be deducted and placed in their IRA's(sic)

To be all about "choice", liberals sure to like words like mandate, mandatory, by force of law, etc, etc.... Social Security, Medicare, Obamacare, all mandatory, if they're so great why aren't they voluntary?

May 29, 2013 at 10:47 a.m.
Maximus said...

I am sooooooo glad we are not at war with Radical Islamic Terrorism and Communism:

U. S. drone shot down over Somalia. Doesn't Obama's broke brother that lives in a cardboard box live in Somalia.....er....maybe it's Kenya??

U. S. weapons compromised by Chinese cyber spies. Hello? Please connect me with Sec. Def. Chuck Hagel. Oh, he is taking a nap, OK. I was just wondering what Chuck was going to do about the Chinese now having the plans for our FA-18's and other top secret national defense technologies? Boy our Pimp Prez really surrounds himself with quality people. Has anyone seen Hillary Clinton or Susan Rice lately? Is Susan Rice alive?

Your tax dollars at work and paying your taxes from the comfort of your home is exactly like kicking in doors of Al Qaeda terrorists in Afghanistan at 3 AM. Cheers y'all! Oh yeah, 10,978,040 Americans on disability, get off your ass Alprova! I understand your subscription sales to that kiddie porn site are brisk! Close, close, close! :).

May 29, 2013 at 11:06 a.m.
Leaf said...

I'm just glad Maximus is here to keep things classy.

May 29, 2013 at 11:22 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

I'm just glad Easy is here to keep things classy.

May 29, 2013 at 11:27 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Fairmon says: “You read the NYT? That explains a lot about your narrow economic and big centralized government view.”

And what do you read that would explain your anti-government and narrow economic views, Fairmon? . . . The Libertarian Manifesto? . . . Indeed, just what the world needs more predatory capitalists preaching the gospel of Ayn Rand - government is the root of all evil. . . In the end, of course, most will need to do what Ayn had to do - sign up for Social Security and Medicare.

May 29, 2013 at 11:31 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Dems take heart! Weiner inching up iin polls.

May 29, 2013 at 11:34 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Laurel: You know your manifestos, eh comrade?

May 29, 2013 at 11:46 a.m.
Leaf said...

PlainTruth said... "Dems take heart! Weiner inching up iin polls."

So Weiner is on the rise?

May 29, 2013 at 12:11 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Supposedly he has exposed opponent's flank.

May 29, 2013 at 12:17 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Fairmon says: “YES...like any Ponzi scheme. Social security should be ended for those under age 50 and replaced with a personal savings option.”

You’re such a scammer. There’s been lots of research performed on this subject and the bottom line is privatized accounts would be reduced as much 20% to 30% due to fees charged by the trustees, the bankers, and the account administrators. This has occurred in every country that tried privatization. In other words, your scheme has proven to be a big failure.

I note that you’ve also conveniently forgotten to mention how much your proposed scheme would cost the American taxpayers. Indeed, I recall former President Bush saying the initial cost to American taxpayers would be around $2 trillion dollars, which is a considerable amount for a proposal that doesn’t “fix” any projected shortages in the Social Security trust fund.

May 29, 2013 at 12:19 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

mountainlaurel said...

Indeed, just what the world needs more predatory capitalists preaching the gospel of Ayn Rand - government is the root of all evil. . . In the end, of course, most will need to do what Ayn had to do - sign up for Social Security and Medicare.


Predatory Capitalism; is that a subcategory something like Crony Capitalism that is currently favored by our present administration?

Since I haven’t read Ayn Rand’s book or seen her movie you will have to clue me in on a certain detail. If Ms. Rand had paid into an insurance policy provided by a private concern would it have been against her philosophy to accept payouts from it upon its maturity or her qualification? If not then why would it be against her philosophy to accept a payout from a government insurance policy that she was forced by law to contribute to. After all it’s supposedly still her money in either case... Right?

May 29, 2013 at 12:44 p.m.
Maximus said...

London Daily Mail: Barrack H. Obama Foundation, supposedly managed and run by Malik Obama, the Presidents brother, received preferential treatment from the IRS receiving tax exempt status in a matter of weeks fast tracked by IRS Director Lois Lerner. The foundation using an Arlington, VA P. O. Box was created to fund projects for the poor but so far only a palatial home for Malik Obama has been built. Malik Obama has over 10 wives and has also been accused of funneling some of the foundation's tax exempt funds to terrorist organizations. When asked about this emerging scandal President Obama stated that he was outraged at how corrupt and out of control his administration is. He was quoted as saying...."Who knew, someone should get to the bottom of this. I will ask Eric Holder to call Malik."

Call your Congressmen and Senator's about this one. U. S. Capitol phone number: 202-224-3121.

May 29, 2013 at 1:09 p.m.
Leaf said...

I don't know if Weiner can really seal the deal given his past indiscretions. He may have to pull out before the finish.

May 29, 2013 at 1:20 p.m.
jesse said...

you can Be sure that Wiener will be wagging an upright campaign!!

May 29, 2013 at 1:25 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

mountainlaurel said...

There’s been lots of research performed on this subject and the bottom line is privatized accounts would be reduced as much 20% to 30% due to fees charged by the trustees, the bankers, and the account administrators. This has occurred in every country that tried privatization. In other words, your scheme has proven to be a big failure.

I note that you’ve also conveniently forgotten to mention how much your proposed scheme would cost the American taxpayers. Indeed, I recall former President Bush saying the initial cost to American taxpayers would be around $2 trillion dollars, which is a considerable amount for a proposal that doesn’t “fix” any projected shortages in the Social Security trust fund.


That was a rather simplistic treatment but you did raise a few interesting points.

Since the market has historically outperformed the government programs do these fee rates, you claim are charged, place the market returns lower than the government plans. Do you have any sources that would support your claim?

The last I checked, our old age support programs were underfunded by about $80 trillion I would say that is something that needs to be fixed. If $2 trillion would end this long term liability it would be a great deal. However I don’t think it will be done or would cost that little to solve this problem. This is going to be extremely painful to this country to solve but aren’t we happy that we have it?

May 29, 2013 at 1:29 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Weiner backers say he is the total package.

May 29, 2013 at 1:39 p.m.
Leaf said...

Diversification is a good thing. Most people have most of their retirement in the stock market. Why put all of it there? Social Security is a safety net - the bare minimum. It's a terrible idea to privatize it. The only winners there would be the stock brokers and fund managers. Those guys are righ enough already, and they weren't smart enough to forsee the housing crash so why should we trust them with all the eggs in our baskets?

May 29, 2013 at 1:42 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said ...

In the spirit of bi-partisanship, I refer you to proof that GWB had a little saluting problem of his own. He forgot who the subordinate was.

http://snopes.com/glurge/birdwell.asp


Are you sure you want to use that story to denigrate president Bush’s saluting style?

“WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Forty yards was all that separated Lt. Col. Brian Birdwell from American Airlines Flight 77 when it slammed into the Pentagon on September 11.

He wound up at Washington Hospital's burn unit, where he was tended to by his wife and Dr. James Jeng, a burn specialist and Navy reservist who would be on call for military duty by the end of the day.

Two days later, Birdwell got a visit from his boss -- President Bush, commander-in-chief of the armed forces.

"The president comes in and he says, 'Col. Birdwell,' and he salutes," Mel Birdwell recalled. "And Brian attempts to return the salute, and the president sees that he's returning the salute and he stands there and holds his salute with tears in his eyes."

May 29, 2013 at 1:49 p.m.
Leaf said...

It looks like Weiner is plunging ahead against heavy resistance despite soft support from the base.

May 29, 2013 at 1:50 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Weiner has complete confidence in his staff.

May 29, 2013 at 1:55 p.m.
Maximus said...

Is Clay on disability or just coasting? Clay coasting means you are going downhill like Obamer.

May 29, 2013 at 1:58 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

Maxumus wrote: "Oh I forgot, Barry said in a Memorial Day speech over the weekend, that Americans died in wars to make things fair."

That Sir, is not what he said. He said, and I quote, "And every day, let's work together to preserve what their sacrifices achieved...to make our country even stronger, even more fair, even more free."


Really!

May 29, 2013 at 2:08 p.m.
alprova said...

patriot1 wrote: "To be all about "choice", liberals sure to like words like mandate, mandatory, by force of law, etc, etc.... Social Security, Medicare, Obamacare, all mandatory, if they're so great why aren't they voluntary?"

Because, as we all know, there are people who would not contribute to the cause, and our society would never stand for simply exempting anyone from any program based on their "voluntary" declining to participate, if they need assistance.

Okay...you don't like the idea of self-responsibility. Let's then keep it like it is. Either way, you will contribute until it is your time to receive.

May 29, 2013 at 2:15 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Leaf: Uncle

May 29, 2013 at 2:23 p.m.
patriot1 said...

....looks like Weiner is getting a rise in the "poles"....his opposition is going to have to bone up if they expect to beat him.

May 29, 2013 at 2:27 p.m.
Easy123 said...

If Republicans like Mark Sanford, Newt Gingrich, Pete Domenici, Herman Cain, Strom Thurmond can rebuild their image after their sexual escapades, then Weiner should have no problem consider what he did was much less egregious than what those other men have done.

Republicans always forgive their own very quickly, yet seem to lose such virtue when it comes to their opponents.

May 29, 2013 at 2:32 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Easy: Not hard to understand you having Weiner's rear.

May 29, 2013 at 2:34 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

“You’re stupid,” is not something even his most severe critics usually say to President Barack Obama. But on Friday morning I picked up the Wall Street Journal and learned that the president had given a speech about the war on terror saying, “This war, like all wars, must end.”

This war, like all wars, must end when someone