published Sunday, November 3rd, 2013

The Fix

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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AndrewLohr said...

.gov is the problem, so go sledgehammer. Gov is the outfit we have to pay whether we like its product or not; businesses, if we don't like one we can go to another. So shrink gov and enlarge the business sector. (This includes shrinking the part of gov that discourages competition, e.g. requiring new doctors in town to prove their services are needed here, instead of letting them set up shop and see if they make a living or not. Crony capitalism is gov, not biz.)

Gov is the outfit whose CEO lied (he'd been told the figures) about letting people keep insurance they liked. So far, O'care has probably killed more insurance policies than it's sold, especially when new Medicaid isn't counted as "sold." (There are at least two bills in Congress to turn the liar-in-chief into a truthteller on this matter. Congressman Fleischmann, have you co-sponsored any such House bill?)

What works in Singapore? They make you put 6-9 % of your income into a medical saving/spending account, and then pay for whatever treatment you need. What you don't spend you keep. So everyone in town is cutting medical costs on the one hand, and flexibly buying whatever they need on the other. Here, we can only spend health money if we get sick, so we spend more. (From Kevin Williamson at National Review online.)

November 3, 2013 at 12:22 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

I say we need more sledgehammers.

November 3, 2013 at 12:27 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Brilliant article you Staties should absorb. http://www.cnbc.com/id/101164217

November 3, 2013 at 12:35 a.m.
alprova said...

Andrew, I'm sure you are only guilty of passing on something you believe to be true, because you read it in the National Review, but that digested version of health care in Singapore is missing quite a few planks of truth.

Singapore has a universal healthcare system where the government ensures affordability of healthcare through a system of mandatory savings, subsidies, and price controls.

Payroll deductions and subsidies are part of the nationalized health insurance plan known as Medisave. Each citizen accumulates funds that are considered their individual account, and their accounts may be pooled with those of any extended family member as they so desire, if one becomes seriously ill or injured. The majority of Singapore citizens have amassed moderate savings in their individual accounts. Subsidies offered by the Government are determined at the time of service, according to the projected necessary treatment.

Medical service is never provided free of charge, regardless of any subsidy offered. Payment for services keeps hypochondriacs at bay, assuring that only those who are sick enough to need the services of a doctor, are in waiting rooms. Out-of-pocket charges vary, again according to the nature of the illness and the individual's or the extended family's account balances.

Approximately 70-80% of Singaporeans participate in Medisave. The rest are privately insured. Employers in Singapore more often than not, offer supplemental private health insurance for services not covered by Medisave. The Singapore government reports that they only spend 3-4% of annual GDP for benefits paid under Medisave.

Singapore currently has the lowest infant mortality rate in the world, and has among the highest life expectancies, according to the World Health Organization.

How are Singaporeans able to afford much of their healthcare expenses? The top individual income tax rate is 20%.

Why have none of the Republicans in Congress suggested something along the lines of a health care system like Singapore's, as an alternative to ObamaCare?

Think of all the other possibilities as well. They could start today, with the younger generations, mandating saving for not only medical care, but retirement as well.

Self-responsibility used to be a platform of the Republican Party, until the Democrats came on board with the ideal. Years ago, the Republican Party I once supported might have come up with such a proposal.

But not today. Today, Republicans only desire to roll back taxes on the rich and leave a fifth of poorer Americans uninsured, sick, dying, or dead.

It's a plan of genocide practiced by an elite class of people, who believe in an America where only those who have aplenty deserve to inherit the nation.

They are a bit short-sighted however, because if they are ever successful in inheriting the nation, who will wait on their pampered asses?

November 3, 2013 at 1 a.m.
nucanuck said...

Health care makes up about 18% of total GDP...that's HUGE! To think that a deeply divided Congress could replace a broken system with the perfect product was never realistic...and we got Obamacare, designed after Romneycare. It may eventually work, but we have a lot of misery between here and there.

Can we go back? To what, the old broken system? Can we move beyond Obamacare? Maybe Medicare for all has been the most likely solution all along, but we just needed to try this insurance company enrichment plan before we were able to see where that would lead. Now we see.

With more than 100 million people who are not employer connected, it would seem pretty clear that whatever system comes next should not be channeled through the workplace if we are to have any hope of universal coverage. Medicare for all would have to have substantial user costs to support the system, but the 40% the insurance companies skim off would be gone. The United Health Insurance CEO would lose his $48 million a year job. Too bad!

Doctors, labs, and all related medical services would remain private and submit their billings to a single payer, public or private. Just as Medicare patients may buy upgrades, Medicare for all could also offer upgrades. Each state could have it's own single payer system, giving more local autonomy.

Health care doesn't have to be this difficult and complicated.

November 3, 2013 at 1:18 a.m.
alprova said...

ObamaCare has every chance of success, if insurers do their part in applying pressure on health care providers to bill reasonable charges.

The fight is going to be between insurers and providers. If that is not successful, then universal, single-payer is next, eliminating the middle-man, so to speak.

Insurance companies know this.

Going back to what we had will not happen, because we all know that it does not work. Health care costs have exploded because insurance companies did not apply enough pressure on health care providers. Their answer was to only raise rates to compensate for out-of-control charges billed by providers.

Now they have no choice, if insurers want to remain a fixture in the health care system of the United States.

Health care is about the last American "industry" that has not been altered, or deregulated if you will, to force them to compete for business. ObamaCare will do that.

Providers are going to stomp their feet, moan, wail, cry, opt-out, and for a period of time, they may well be able to survive by serving the wealthy or only accepting those who have grandfathered insurance coverage, but that will not hold for very long, again, if ObamaCare survives and takes root.

Republicans have missed the boat when it comes to reforming health care. They haven't even offered innovative ideas as an alternative to ObamaCare.

Most Americans know that reform to this nation's system of health care is long overdue. If put to a vote, most of America would vote for a single-payer system, and polls have reached that conclusion time and again over the past four years.

Those who are opposed to ObamaCare and who are rooting for it to fail had better be careful what they wish for, because we're not going back.

ObamaCare is not a Government takeover of our health care system, but if it does fail, which I have every reason to doubt, universal health care will happen.

November 3, 2013 at 1:26 a.m.
fairmon said...

nucanuck said...

Health care doesn't have to be this difficult and complicated.

I agree totally. Much better options exist.

November 3, 2013 at 1:27 a.m.
nucanuck said...

al,

Obamacare may indeed work, but at what % of GDP? To be competitive with other nations, US health care costs need to be somewhere near 12% of GDP, IMO.

November 3, 2013 at 1:45 a.m.
alprova said...

One step at a time, nucanuck. Get it up and running, and then tweak it to make it the best it can be.

Remember that no one runs before they learn to crawl and walk first.

November 3, 2013 at 3:11 a.m.
jesse said...

I guess we are in the "crash and burn"stage now! Next up is the "crawl" stage!

November 3, 2013 at 5:32 a.m.
EaTn said...

Either Obamacare will be working smoothly by next November, or the Republicans will have won an election mandate to fix it. They will by replacing it with Obama's first choice-- a single-payer govt-run system like Medicare.

November 3, 2013 at 6:36 a.m.
anniebelle said...

This is what happens when you have a Democratic governor looking out for his state, rather than his own political aspirations and Koch money. Wednesday's Wall Street Journal provides the perfect encapsulation of the conservative crusade against the Affordable Care Act. On the opinion pages, columnist James Taranto mocked the story of new Obamacare enrollee Brendan Mahoney. But where news is actually reported, the WSJ's Arian Campo-Flores explained, "Why Kentucky's Health Exchange Worked Better Than Many Others." But the Bluegrass State didn't just provide a relatively smooth first-day enrollment experience. As it turns out, one of the only reliably red states to both establish its own health care exchange and accept the expansion of Medicaid to low income residents, Kentucky is already proving Republican critics of Obamacare wrong.

November 3, 2013 at 6:43 a.m.
conservative said...

nurseforjustic

Wow! At 10:54 p.m. you claim that I "defame" Mr. Provancher "at every opportunity" yet you give not one example.

Why so late at night when few would see your false claim? I was in bed. I found your comment this morning.

Mr. Anthony Provancher has put his name out there and has made it known that it is out there.

I first used Mr. Anthony Provancher's name yesterday morning regarding his plagiarism. I cited his plagiarism, the plagiarism he used to try and justify Homosexuality and sodomy, a great sin.

No Homosexual will inherit the kingdom of God nurseforjustice and that is not an opinion, see 1 Corinthians 6:9-10.

He professes to be a Christian. Do you see a contradiction there?

Please give me examples of my defamation of Mr. Provancher or apoligize for your false accusation.

November 3, 2013 at 7:11 a.m.
limric said...

Another good one Clay,

Maybe a {slight} revision is in order.

The starters broke boys!!

The mechanics (Democrats) should just be staring at the engine; contemplating the far superior single payer plan they were/are to freighted to advance - H.R. 676, Medicare for all. The ambulance being proffered isn't that much better than the outrageously expensive, corrupt and inequitable system we've come to love. After all "Canada’s single-payer system was enacted with a 13 page bill that covers everyone for less than half of the cost per capita than here". ~RN

No real change for the Republican saboteurs and their cadre of yellow journalists. You'd think it common knowledge by now that they are 'at war' with the middle class & poor...which is most of America basically.

Instead of a sledge hammer, he wants to "accidentally" cross wire the battery and short out the whole system. Say; Isn't that the Canadian Latino immigrant hating immigrant wielding the hammer?

Remember, call or write and say NO to the TPP (Trans Pacific Partnership) !

November 3, 2013 at 7:27 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Alpo: A riveting explanation of Singapore healthcare. Thanks so much.

November 3, 2013 at 8:08 a.m.
rick1 said...

PT, Al was proud to bring you that post from

November 3, 2013 at 8:46 a.m.
rick1 said...

This is the best quote to describes Obama.

“When small men attempt great enterprises, they always end by reducing themselves to the level of their mediocrity.” Napoleon

November 3, 2013 at 8:57 a.m.
GameOn said...

Archie Bunker classic on the Democrats.

November 3, 2013 at 9 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Rick: Alpo is the master of Wiki. He learned from Easy. If Wiki ever crashes, kiss Alpy goodbye.

November 3, 2013 at 9:14 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Sir WIKI, aka Alpo, says "ObamaCare is not a Government takeover of our health care system, but if it does fail, which I have every reason to doubt, universal health care will happen." That's what you leftists want, eh ALPO? Nothing says socialism more than universal health care. (and yes, I know all about medicare and medicaid…a good start.)

November 3, 2013 at 9:33 a.m.
GameOn said...

The best way to show love of Christ is by example. Stalking and badgering is no way to show Christian love or any other kind of love. We have have denominations because Christians can't agree on doctrine. The doctrine is pretty simple, God sacrificed is son as atonement for our sins. Our choice is to accept it or reject it. Accepting it does not make Christians perfect. If we listen to the Holy Spirit, we will receive guidance for the rest of our life. However, guidance is not always easy and correction is needed. No human being can be perfect, including Christians. We all have our faults and I thank God for forgiveness. Without it, I would not have a chance.

November 3, 2013 at 9:37 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

GameOn: Nice post. But you will be lampooned.

November 3, 2013 at 9:42 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Dr. Ben Carson: ObamaCare is about controlling our lives.

November 3, 2013 at 10:37 a.m.
alprova said...

pt wrote: "Alpo is the master of Wiki."

Thank you.

"He learned from Easy."

No, I actually learned it in school. My mommie saw fit to purchase a full set of Britannica Encyclopedias for us kids, which we referred to often, whenever we were given the task by our teachers to present a report on various subjects.

You see, PeeTee, I have never lost my desire to learn. As a 54 year old man, I continue to self-educate myself, especially whenever what someone else writes seems to be lacking in content, because I am aware that there are many people who intentionally offer presentations or reports, if you will, that are not well researched.

Would you like to know my first research project, and one that proved to me that I was on the wrong side of politics for so many years?

When John Kerry was running for President, the Republicans held this man to be a monster. So I began a month long quest to learn as much as I could about the man. I discovered that he was a rather decent fellow, who was being maligned for breaking long military tradition and publicly speaking out against war atrocities.

No amount of shame or maligning from someone like yourself, is ever going to make me feel bad about wanting to learn the facts about any issue discussed in this forum.

"If Wiki ever crashes, kiss Alpy goodbye."

While I do like Wikipedia very much, there are many sources to use when doing research, and you don't see me quoting ignorance spewed by bloggers, like some of you do. Never forget that if I present a statement of fact in this forum, you are always invited to refute my presentation with your own proof to the contrary.

Andrew's presentation of Singapore's health care was flat out incorrect. He presented one of four facets of their system. Why leave out the more important facets, like subsidies, sharing of pooled funds, and the employer sponsored "Medisave" gap policies?

Why? Because when you bring those facets into focus, it starts to sound a little like hybrid between ObamaCare and Medicare. And such a narrative wouldn't quite cut the mustard when attempting to vilify President Obama's attempt to reform health care in this nation.

November 3, 2013 at 11:34 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

My, my. That Alpo loves to talk about himself. Part of the narcism I guess. And BTW, Alps, if John Kerry was a primary cause of you changing parties, God help you. I believe every single swift boat story out there. Hell, you probably even like the Hilldebeast.

November 3, 2013 at 11:50 a.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "That's what you leftists want, eh ALPO? Nothing says socialism more than universal health care. (and yes, I know all about medicare and medicaid…a good start.)"

You clearly don't pay attention, do you?

My insurance needs are no longer a choice for me. ObamaCare will do nothing for me. I am very shortly going to become a Medicare recipient.

While I am not proud of it, I am one American who is grateful that it is there for me, because any options I may have had in the past have ran out.

It is there for me because I paid a portion of my earnings into the system when my health was good. I didn't ask to become sick and I would sure rather have my good health back.

Do I believe in universal health care? You bet.

After reading up on Singapore's health care system, I believe something similar would work in this nation as well, and it would again, make everyone responsible for part, or most of the cost of their health care, unless they have serious health care issues.

Currently, I ingest 17 different medications, twice a day, to keep me alive. I am weathering the cost of those medications on what I receive in income. I love generics. I visit one of three Physicians at least every three weeks or so.

The treatments I am receiving has kept me out of the hospital for a year and a half. I will be needing surgery, which is something that I have never had to endure in my entire life, and which I am praying will not be absolutely necessary until my Medicare coverage kicks in around Christmas.

What about you? You're a Medicare recipient, aren't you? How can you type your little barbs all day long about Socialism, when you partake of that which you seek to condemn?

You obviously don't work for a living, so I'm betting you are receiving Social Security as well, combined with perhaps, some other retirement funds as well.

I know so many well deserving people, who have retired, who have no problem taking those socialized deposits from the Government, who have been moaning and groaning about the paltry 1.5% increase slated to go into effect in January, who sit around and bemoan Socialism as if they were self-sufficient, which they are not.

Some people are like wolves, who cannot be trusted not to bite the hand that feeds them.

November 3, 2013 at 12:10 p.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "My, my. That Alpo loves to talk about himself. Part of the narcism I guess."

Oh yeah...I am definitely my biggest fan. No self-loathing issues here.

"And BTW, Alps, if John Kerry was a primary cause of you changing parties, God help you. I believe every single swift boat story out there."

That's your prerogative to believe whatever floats your little boat.

"Hell, you probably even like the Hilldebeast."

Yep, but if Chris Christie runs, it will become a true contest as to who I will vote for. He is the ONLY Republican that has a chance to garner my vote, unless some new face of the Republican Party emerges, who does not kowtow to the extremists, who have effectively dismantled the Republican Party.

If you were a true moderate, which you are anything but, you would find some common ground with me on this.

You may not be a religious right-winger, but you are not a moderate at all. Moderates are centrists, who would never demean Democrats and liberals the way you do.

Have you ever found a Republican you disagree with?

November 3, 2013 at 12:21 p.m.

"kowtow to extremists", like Obama?

November 3, 2013 at 12:43 p.m.
rick1 said...

Al, since you seem to like the healthcare program in Singapore, would you also be receptive to our country following the policies of Singapore's other social programs?

http://www.economist.com/node/15524092

November 3, 2013 at 12:45 p.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "GameOn: Nice post. But you will be lampooned."

Not by me, because I agree with every single word he wrote.

November 3, 2013 at 12:46 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Alpo asked "Have you ever found a Republican you disagree with?" Sure. Karl Rove, Lindsey Graham, McCain, Laura Ingraham, Glen Beck (lib.?), Jon Huntsman, Dick Morris, Mitch McConnell, Rick Santorum, Lamar Alexander. I'm sure I will think of others.

November 3, 2013 at 1:07 p.m.
alprova said...

rick1 wrote: "Al, since your seem to like the healthcare program in Singapore would you also be receptive to our country following the policies of Singapore's other social programs?"

I would absolutely welcome a more rigid screening of those on welfare in this nation, to weed out those who are simply unwilling to work.

An elimination of all social programs for the elderly would definitely require a radical change in mindset in this nation, for Americans, as a general rule, are quite selfish, and far too many people are barely able to support themselves and their offspring.

Adding more mouths to feed, clothe, and to care for would bankrupt most Americans.

Is it possible to adopt a similar system in this nation? I'm sure it is possible, but you're going to have to start by molding such changes in mindset when people are young.

Such a change will have to be performed from the bottom up, as opposed to the top down.

Welfare is most definitely abused in this and many other nations, and it most definitely contributes to the creation of a purely lazy section of society, and I'm all for kicking people off of welfare who are obviously able to work for a living.

I stood in line at my local Bi-Lo the other night for twenty minutes, behind a young man and a young woman, who had what appeared to be a 6 month old baby. They appeared to be almost athletic. Nice clothes, clean, etc.

They were obviously making their monthly purchase of WIC voucher approved items. I heard a figure of $169.00 for what constituted a collection of baby food, formula, and other food items, which for some reason was a problem to ring up, for the cashier had to call for a manager five times during the transaction, which took literally three to five minutes for the manager to respond to, each time assistance was requested.

I almost got ticked off enough to abandon my buggy of carefully selected items, by price, that I was attempting to purchase.

I may be liberal, but I don't understand why a couple of people clearly able to work, are granted hundreds of dollars worth of free food each month, simply for popping out a kid.

I have learned not to shop for groceries between the 1st and the 3rd of the month, unless I just have to. WIC recipients clean the shelves and waiting times are atrocious.

November 3, 2013 at 1:15 p.m.
alprova said...

PT, that's a fine list of Republicans worthy of disagreeing with.

My only question then, is why do you find it necessary to demean Democrats and liberals all the time?

You don't come across at all as a moderate.

Last night, you demeaned Charlie Crist for jumping parties.

"Good riddance" was the words you used, if I remember correctly.

That doesn't sound very moderate to me.

November 3, 2013 at 1:20 p.m.
facyspacy said...

Move to singapore then alp.... Go to your fact checker website and look at the facts about obamacare. I will tell a few facts now. Spin it however you like but obama was unclear when he said you can keep your plan. Insurers are increasing premiums because they are obeying the law. The cost for insurance is between 19% cheaper and 500% more expensive. The website was created poorly from the start when mrs obama included her friends on the no bid contract. Insurance premiums will continue to increase as long as unhealthy individuals continue to sign up and healthcare costs continue to go up.

November 3, 2013 at 1:24 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Well, Alps. Though I'm an independent, clearly I have more in common with the R's. No doubt. Soooo, criticizing them (dems) seems natural..that's what the opposing faction does. I didn't demean Crist. I didn't refer to the numerous rumors about him. I don't care about that. I don't like any "party jumper". It's nearly always about electability; not ideology. And BTW, I'm not gonna go archival, but I'm real sure you're talked pretty damn nasty about R's.

November 3, 2013 at 1:40 p.m.
conservative said...

nurseforjustice

Wow! At 10:54 p.m. you claim that I "defame" Mr. Provancher "at every opportunity" yet you give not one example.

Why so late at night when few would see your false claim? I was in bed. I found your comment this morning.

Mr. Anthony Provancher has put his name out there and has made it known that it is out there.

I first used Mr. Anthony Provancher's name yesterday morning regarding his plagiarism. I cited his plagiarism, the plagiarism he used to try and justify Homosexuality and sodomy, a great sin.

No Homosexual will inherit the kingdom of God nurseforjustice and that is not an opinion, see 1 Corinthians 6:9-10.

He professes to be a Christian. Do you see a contradiction there?

Please give me examples of my defamation of Mr. Provancher or apologize for your false accusation.

November 3, 2013 at 1:50 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

facy: You can't spin it. Obama lied. Repeatedly. Unspinnable. And the Dems made sure few, if any, would be "grandfathered" when SenateDems voted unanimously in 2010 to support Obamacare rule responsible 4 health insurance cancellations. Fact.

November 3, 2013 at 1:55 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

“Healthcare.gov launched with the fanfare and success of a North Korean missile” - By John Dickerson; Slate.Com

November 3, 2013 at 2:12 p.m.
rick1 said...

Al, I agree that we should have tougher standards for people receiving welfare but politicians use welfare and other entitlement programs to keep people dependent on the government, which makes it easier for the politician to get re-elected.

Anytime a republican mentions cutting back on entitlement programs democrats and the left wing media start the scare tactics that republicans want to leave you in the street with nothing but the clothes on your back.

In reference to your comment “I may be liberal, but I don't understand why a couple of people clearly able to work, are granted hundreds of dollars worth of free food each month, simply for popping out a kid.”

You can thank LBJ and his war on poverty for making it so easy for single mothers to keep downloading babies, because they know they will receive more money from the government They also know not to get married because they will receive more money downloading babies being single and will not qualify or will receive as much if they are married. What the war on poverty has accomplished is keeping generation after generation dependent on the government and destroying the two parent family especially in the black community.

In Singapore they have a culture of personal responsibility. In our culture there is no personal responsibility and we have a society where the parasites and moochers are starting to out number the producers, knowing the government will provide for them no matter what bad or poor choices they make.

Please see the below link on welfare payments.

http://freebeacon.com/report-welfare-pays-more-than-minimum-wage-discourages-workers/

November 3, 2013 at 2:14 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

By S.A. Miller, nypost.com:

A tech firm linked to a campaign-donor crony of President Obama not only got the job to help build the federal health-insurance Web site — but also is getting paid to fix it.

Anthony Welters, a top campaign bundler for Obama and frequent White House guest, is the executive vice president of UnitedHealth Group, which owns the software company now at the center of the ObamaCare Web-site fiasco.

Welters and his wife, Beatrice, have shoveled piles of cash into Obama’s campaign coffers and ­apparently reaped the rewards. Beatrice Welters bundled donations totaling between $200,000 and $500,000 for Obama’s campaign during the 2008 election ­cycle, according to campaign- ­finance data compiled by Center for Responsive Politics.

The couple then became top donors for Obama’s inauguration festivities, kicking in $100,000 out of their own pockets and bundling another $300,000 from friends and business associates, according to the center.

November 3, 2013 at 2:18 p.m.
alprova said...

QSSI has been providing IT services to the United States Government for no less than a decade, long before Barack Obama was elected.

http://www.qssinc.com/clients.html

November 3, 2013 at 2:46 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

^^^^Alpo…doesn't prove or disprove that cronyism abides.

November 3, 2013 at 2:52 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Outsiders (unions, celebs, etc) pouring millions into McAuliffe coffers in VA. Typical southpaw…will owe the unions his soul. (if he still has one)

November 3, 2013 at 3:03 p.m.
alprova said...

Presidents have all been guilty of uttering sentences that they wished they had not.

" Read my lips. No new taxes."

"Mission accomplished."

"Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium."

"Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job."

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky"

"If you like your health care plan, no one will take it away, no matter what."

http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/02/politics/obama-read-my-lips-moment/index.html?hpt=hp_c3

November 3, 2013 at 3:07 p.m.
alprova said...

pt wrote: "^^^^Alpo…doesn't prove or disprove that cronyism abides."

Yeah...kinda like the billions poured into the bank account of war profiteer, Halliburton. That was totally legit, wasn't it?

Cronyism contracting occurs with every single Administration, but it's only shameful if out of the hundreds of thousands of people who work for a Government contractor, one associate can be found who has times with the Obama's.

If they happen to be black to boot, it's time to sound all the alarms!!!

November 3, 2013 at 3:19 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Difference is, Alpy, they're usually said once. If at all. For instance, I don't think Dubya ever uttered "Mission Accomplished". Could be wrong. Obama said time after time…health plan, doctor, etc. Usually followed by "Period"…No out of context or any such BS applies. They were lies. amazing how you defenders want to gloss over the lies. I heard a lefty pundit say "So he lied, it doesn't matter". Really?

November 3, 2013 at 3:20 p.m.
rick1 said...

Plain Truth, notice how Kerry never released his military records or sued the Swift Boat Veterans like he said he was going to do.

Kerry will tell us, he did not win the Presidential election, because of the lies told by the Swift Boat Veterans, and yet he never proved what was said were lies and he never sued them.

I'm with you, PT, I believe everything the SBV said about Kerry.

November 3, 2013 at 3:49 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Alpy. Always comes back to race with you guys. You're so predictable.

November 3, 2013 at 3:57 p.m.
rick1 said...

Obama promised during the 2008 campaign to end the abuse of no-bid contracts.

November 3, 2013 at 4 p.m.
alprova said...

Believe what you want, but there have been several developments since Kerry's run in 2004.

First, the group disbanded in 2008.

Per Wikipedia;

Steve Hayes, an early member of SBVT, stated that he came to believe that the group was twisting Kerry's record, and broke with the group and voted for Kerry.

Hayes told the New York Times:

"The mantra was just We want to set the record straight. It became clear to me that it was morphing from an organization to set the record straight into a highly political vendetta. They knew it was not the truth."

Hayes also told the New York Times that he provided a long interview to Kerry's supporters, backing their version of the incident for which Kerry received the Bronze Star.

A major part of the SBVT controversy centered on the group's testimony. The SBVT statements were accompanied by sworn affidavits. One affiant, Al French, acknowledged he had no firsthand knowledge of the events to which he had sworn.

SBVT members criticized Kerry for not releasing his own private journals and letters. However, SBVT members themselves refused to release documents. For example, a journal by another of the Swift boat commanders and the relevant Navy records of some of the SBVT members involved in specific allegations have never been released.

The GWB White House refused to release records detailing any Bush administration contacts with prominent individuals associated with SBVT.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/28/washington/28kerry.html?pagewanted=print&_r=0

November 3, 2013 at 4:05 p.m.
alprova said...

rick1 wrote: "I believe Obama promised during the 2008 campaign to end the abuse of no-bid contracts."

You're right. He did. He broke that promise.

November 3, 2013 at 4:07 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

I was so counting on having a Sandals Resort on Gitmo site.

November 3, 2013 at 4:19 p.m.
rick1 said...

Al, reference your post at 4:05pm 'What difference does it make?"

Nothing you posted explains why Kerry did not release his military records and follow through with suing SBV after he said he would.

Kerry was running for the most powerful political office in the world and blames his lose on the lies of SBV yet he never followed through on releasing his records to show SBV lied and he never followed through on suing them.

Kerry had his chance to show that SBV was lying about him and he did nothing to disprove them.

November 3, 2013 at 4:21 p.m.
rick1 said...

Al, thank you for acknowledging that Obama broke that promise.

Since Obama did break that promise are we not allowed to call Obama out, without you or anyone else bringing race into it?

November 3, 2013 at 4:25 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Rick, yelling race is in the Left's DNA.

November 3, 2013 at 4:31 p.m.
rick1 said...

PT, It was alright for the democrats to exercise their right to free speech and to tell and encourage people to stand and debate and disagree with any administration.

“I'm sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and disagree with this administration, somehow you're not patriotic. We need to stand up and say we're Americans, and we have the right to debate and disagree with any administration.” Hillary Clinton April 28, 2003.

But when we try to exercise our right to free speech in having a debate or to disagree with the Obama administration your a racists.

If they do not agree with what you are saying they play the race card in order to shut you down and you will be hesitate to exercise your right to free speech because you run the risk of being called a racist.

November 3, 2013 at 5 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

Andrew, I'm sure you are only guilty of passing on something you believe to be true, because you read it in the National Review, but that digested version of health care in Singapore is missing quite a few planks of truth.

It looks to me that you were so interested in finding something to attack Andrew about that you prove yourself once again to be the typical web site fool. Here you attack him for presenting an abbreviated statement of a health plan he seems to endorse and which later you do the same. He provided his source which you undoubtedly didn’t read as you went to Wiki which covered the very same ground as the source you denigrate.

The majority of Singapore citizens have amassed moderate savings in their individual accounts.

Medical service is never provided free of charge

Payment for services keeps hypochondriacs at bay, assuring that only those who are sick enough to need the services of a doctor, are in waiting rooms.

Out-of-pocket charges vary, again according to the nature of the illness and the individual's or the extended family's account balances.

spend 3-4% of annual GDP for benefits paid

The top individual income tax rate is 20%.

Why have none of the Republicans in Congress suggested something along the lines of a health care system like Singapore's, as an alternative to ObamaCare?

Exactly how far would any Republican plan progress that had the above details included.

November 3, 2013 at 6:32 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said ...

Self-responsibility used to be a platform of the Republican Party, until the Democrats came on board with the ideal. Years ago, the Republican Party I once supported might have come up with such a proposal.

You undoubtedly don’t have any idea of what self-responsibility is. It’s definitely not what you Fleabaggers obviously think it is, which is an exemption for a large segment of the population and the force of law to be applied to the rest. The “self” in its title would normally tip off anyone with an I.Q. above room temperature that the responsibility comes from within the individual and not forced by the state at the barrel of a gun.

But not today. Today, Republicans only desire to roll back taxes on the rich and leave a fifth of poorer Americans uninsured, sick, dying, or dead. It's a plan of genocide practiced by an elite class of people, who believe in an America where only those who have aplenty deserve to inherit the nation. They are a bit short-sighted however, because if they are ever successful in inheriting the nation, who will wait on their pampered asses?

I was thinking more in terms of the dictatorial Communist Fleabaggers enslaving the productive class in concentration camps. Working them to death to provide for the upkeep of the Fleabaggers and their preferred special interest groups. To be exterminated when they become too disabled, ill, or elderly to be worked productively.... It sounds just as reasonable as your rant ... Right?

November 3, 2013 at 6:35 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

"People complain of having to stand in line for hours, often in vain, and many are losing patience with the government's explanation that unsavory conspirators are to blame for the nation's problems," reports the New York Times.

But enough about Venezuela. Let's talk about ObamaCare.

  • JAMES TARANTO
November 3, 2013 at 6:49 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Lying is the essence of modern liberalism and it begins with lying to the self. - Roger Simon

November 3, 2013 at 9:11 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

More doublespeak than Baghdad Bob? More than Alpo? You must hear or read Dr.Ezekiel Emanuel, brother of you know who Emanuel. The good doc helped write obamacare. His comments are absolutely mind boggling.

November 3, 2013 at 9:19 p.m.
facyspacy said...

6 people signed up on the website day one for unaffordable healthcare. Is that fact or fiction? I know the website was looking for 1600 per day. All the clowns can not admit the program sucks and Obama lied. They deter by saying, "other presidents lied too!".... Or "it's somebody else's fault" Wish everyone involved would admit their incompetence so we can all move on

November 3, 2013 at 9:21 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Obamacare was designed to fail. But, of course, the democrats will blame Republicans, Insurance Companies, Doctors and Bush and declare that the only answer is single payer, but that was their end game all along.

November 3, 2013 at 9:26 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

BRP: sounds about right.

November 3, 2013 at 9:32 p.m.
soakya said...

liberalism is a disease that infects the minds of the weak and makes narcissist out of them. the disease makes them think they know what is best for others and yet they need the government to hold their hand at every turn.

November 3, 2013 at 10:08 p.m.
fairmon said...

The driver for the founders of America and framers of the constitution was independence from the tyranny of a king. That driver has evolved to a driver of dependence and behavior akin to that of loyalty to a king. The king being governments at all levels, not the current president. Has slavery really been abolished or have governments assumed an owners role?

November 4, 2013 at 2:47 a.m.
fairmon said...

A CNBC article by John Carney supports my contention that hiring MBA's or CPA's to critical management positions is detrimental to the economy:

If 10 percent or fewer of HBS MBA grads take market-sensitive jobs, that's a long-term buy signal, according to an analyst. If 30 percent or more take those jobs, it's a long-term sell.

This year is the first time since 2009 that the indicator has not been flashing a big red sell indicator. The market-sensitive jobs amounted to just 24 percent, compared with 31 percent last year and 35 percent in 2011. That doesn't put 2013 in the long-term buy category but does remove it from long-term sell.

One worry: Is the dramatic rise in the tech sector's share of Harvard MBAs a sign of a new tech bubble?

My point is; Green horn MBA's and CPA's in business and lawyers in lobbyist and congressional positions is a dangerous detriment to the economy. We need less, not more of them.

November 4, 2013 at 5:47 a.m.
limric said...

And conservatism Soakya, (at least modern conservatism) while spouting faux independence & responsibility actually adheres to the doctrine of: 'Socialism for the Rich - Capitalism for the Rest'. It's working model, evidenced repeatedly: 'Privatize profits - Socialize losses'.

True liberalism is no more a 'disease' than true conservatism. Unfettered/unregulated capitalism is however.

This is not to say that capitalism is bad, just it's present form. It, along with its corruption, is what is tearing at the fabric of the republic; not liberalism.

If you look really closely at the Obama administration you so despise , you'll find that with VERY few exceptions it is exactly (and I posit worse in some respects) than the previous administration.

November 4, 2013 at 6:30 a.m.
conservative said...

nurseforjustice:

Take your time on those examples, I know your task is difficult.

As a reminder:

Wow! At 10:54 p.m. you claim that I "defame" Mr. Provancher "at every opportunity" yet you give not one example.

Why so late at night when few would see your false claim? I was in bed. I found your comment this morning.

Mr. Anthony Provancher has put his name out there and has made it known that it is out there.

I first used Mr. Anthony Provancher's name yesterday morning regarding his plagiarism. I cited his plagiarism, the plagiarism he used to try and justify Homosexuality and sodomy, a great sin. No Homosexual will inherit the kingdom of God nurseforjustice and that is not an opinion, see 1 Corinthians 6:9-10.

He professes to be a Christian. Do you see a contradiction there?

Please give me examples of my defamation of Mr. Provancher or apoligize for your false accusation.

November 3, 2013 at 7:11 a.m

November 4, 2013 at 8:12 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Mark Halperin and John Heilemann’s book “Double Down: Game Change 2012” notes President Obama commenting on drone strikes, reportedly telling his aides that he’s “really good at killing people.”

I know. No way of knowing if this is true. But we do know he's good at killing people's spirit.

November 4, 2013 at 8:37 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Fresh from the Jarret Administration:

A member of the Department of Homeland Security Advisory Council is under fire for tweeting that America is “an Islamic country.” After a Twitter user asked Mohamed Elibiary on Thursday to “show me just ONE example of an Islamic country where non Muslims are treated with equality,” he responded with the controversial tweet, which was first reported by the Washington Free Beacon: “America and yes I do consider the United States of America an Islamic country with an Islamically compliant constitution. Move On!”

Ok spinmeisters and fact-checkers. Get to work.

November 4, 2013 at 8:52 a.m.
whatsnottaken said...

Hey Tooney, where's your cartoon about people being kicked out of their healthcare plans. Are those your kind of people - the downtrodden and crapped on by the political man?

November 4, 2013 at 9:05 a.m.
degage said...

PT, you can be sure the libs will be defending that statement. Kinda hard for them to say he didn't say it. And just why do we have a member of the Muslim brotherhood advising us, especially in the DHS. It is well known the brotherhood are extremist.

November 4, 2013 at 9:39 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Right you are, Madam Gage. But spin it they will.

November 4, 2013 at 9:47 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

I posted this in response to one of today's letters to the editor but it fits in with today's 'toon du jour, so I am posting it here as well. I'm sure that all you radical righties (er, pardon me, PT..."moderate independents," as you like to think of yourself - ha!) who hang out in this forum will embrace my words with your usual alacrity.

Elizabeth Robertson, let me make sure I have this right: we have a health care system in this country that has been broken and in need of fixing for a long time. It is so expensive and/or so strict in its exclusions that almost 50 million Americans either cannot afford it or they are denied insurance because the insurance companies deem them "high risk" (meaning not profitable for the companies) and there are tens of millions more without adequate insurance because they cannot afford anything other than a high-deductible, high co-pay plan...and Obama, after many years of no president daring or caring to rectify the situation and bring relief to those millions of Americans, decides to finally do something about it. His new plan, as flawed as it may be, is at least an attempt in the right direction, yet this Dr. Carson likens it to SLAVERY?? And you have the gall to agree with him and say how impressive and admirable he is? I don't care how impressive this Dr. might be in other areas of his life, but that one statement right there makes him eligible for the stupidest, most callous, most audacious person of the year award. Maybe you can be the president of his new fan club.

You people who feel so smug in your good fortune to have adequate health insurance and who cannot empathize even the least little bit with those who don't, calling them losers, moochers, or takers, or whatever, in order to soothe your consciences so that you can cling to your survival-of-the-fittest ideology....you are disgusting and not worth the poop that comes out of a dog's butt. You are just a serious accident or twist of fate away from being in the same boat as those who have no insurance now or who had to declare bankruptcy on account of outrageously high medical bills. You want a taste of slavery? Wait until you join them and then see how enslaved they are by the system that you are trying so hard to justify and defend.

November 4, 2013 at 10:01 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Roo: Still the bleeding heart sensitive crybaby. No one wants the poor to suffer. Some of us just don't want to be ordered what to do by the Jarrett administration. You bawling lefties always trying to take the moral high ground. And failing. Single payer is coming, Roo. Will you be happy then? BTW, Roo. If I need to choose between what you say vs. what Ben Carson says….I'll go with the doc.

November 4, 2013 at 10:14 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

Good post, limric (6:30 a.m.). I often hear the righties referring to liberals as "far left," but nothing could be further from the truth. Far left would be pure socialism, with a dismantling of the free market system entirely. I don't know of any liberals who are calling for such a thing. All libs I know, myself included, know that extremes of anything are bad. Unfettered/unregulated capitalism is bad. So is a system with nothing but government in control. We are only calling for a reasonable balance between government and capitalism. And it IS possible to have a healthy balance between the two. They are not mutually exclusive. We had a pretty good system intact for the three decades after WW2, which benefitted the most number of people, and when the American Dream was well within reach of the average person. We have let the radial right change the American Dream from prosperity for the masses into greed for the few.

November 4, 2013 at 10:33 a.m.
ibshame said...

For all the talk about how President Obama lied about being able to keep your existing insurance policies comes this jewel: Maybe after reading this some will realize it's not President Obama who is forcing people out of their plans but it is the insurance companies who are seeking more PROFITS!!

Special Investigation: How Insurers Are Hiding Obamacare Benefits From Customers

"Donna received the letter canceling her insurance plan on Sept. 16. Her insurance company, LifeWise of Washington, told her that they'd identified a new plan for her. If she did nothing, she'd be covered.

A 56-year-old Seattle resident with a 57-year-old husband and 15-year-old daughter, Donna had been looking forward to the savings that the Affordable Care Act had to offer.

But that's not what she found. Instead, she'd be paying an additional $300 a month for coverage. The letter made no mention of the health insurance marketplace that would soon open in Washington, where she could shop for competitive plans, and only an oblique reference to financial help that she might qualify for, if she made the effort to call and find out.

Otherwise, she'd be automatically rolled over to a new plan -- and, as the letter said, "If you're happy with this plan, do nothing."

If Donna had done nothing, she would have ended up spending about $1,000 more a month for insurance than she will now that she went to the marketplace, picked the best plan for her family and accessed tax credits at the heart of the health care reform law.

"The info that we were sent by LifeWise was totally bogus. Why the heck did they try to screw us?" Donna said. "People who are afraid of the ACA should be much more afraid of the insurance companies who will exploit their fear and end up overcharging them."

"Across the country, insurance companies have sent misleading letters to consumers, trying to lock them into the companies' own, sometimes more expensive health insurance plans rather than let them shop for insurance and tax credits on the Obamacare marketplaces -- which could lead to people like Donna spending thousands more for insurance than the law intended. In some cases, mentions of the marketplace in those letters are relegated to a mere footnote, which can be easily overlooked."

Read the Rest of Donna's story and the outcome

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/insurance-companies-misleading-letters-obamacare

November 4, 2013 at 10:42 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Roo, it all depends on your perspective. Single payer (what you really want) IS a start to dismantling of the free market system. No?

November 4, 2013 at 10:42 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

So, SHAME: Are you, with a straight face, saying The Organizer did NOT lie? Really? Is that what you're saying?

November 4, 2013 at 10:44 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

PT, it's hard for me to take seriously anyone who has nothing better to do with his life than sit on his ass all day, every day, posting the same old rancid remarks on this forum. You are here from early morning 'til late at night....every day. My god, man, even if you don't have anyone in your life, can't you come up with something better to do than just post your same ol' BS all day long, every friggin' day of the week? You will no doubt say that I post the same ol' BS too, but at least I give it a break and don't stay glued to this damn thing. Life is much more to me than playing mental tug-of-war with you teabaggers (oops....I mean "independent moderates"). I have a feeling that when you do take a short break from your computer it's only to stick your head into Faux News, which you probably have running on your TV 24/7. Are you being sure to doctor those hemorrhoids you no doubt have from sitting on your ass all day long?

November 4, 2013 at 10:56 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Hey Roo. I'm pretty sure I don't need your advice as to how I spend my time. What are you doing in your off-time? Saving little kids in India? Don't be so friggin sanctimonious, pal. Your sense of self importance is noxious.

November 4, 2013 at 11:12 a.m.
whatsnottaken said...

Tooney, you haven't answered. Are you drawing something about people now uninsured because King Kenyans' boys passed a healthcare plan that covers all those except those that were covered?

November 4, 2013 at 12:11 p.m.
limric said...

Rickaroo, ”We have let the radial right change the American Dream from prosperity for the masses into greed for the few.”

Hmm, yes & no.

The current economic calamity is more a factor of ‘Neo-liberalism’, economic policies that became widespread, and a type of religion to many, during the last 30 or so years than the radical rights penchant for greed; (but there is certainly a damn good good case for that argument). Although it’s rarely talked about (actually suppressed), you can clearly see the effects of ‘Neo-liberalism’ with the massive inequality in today’s America.

The main themes of neo-liberalism include, but are by no means exclusive to:

THE ABSOLUTE UNQUESTIONED RULE OF THE FREE MARKET. Liberate private enterprise from any bonds imposed by the government no matter how much social or environmental damage this causes.

CUT/ PURGE PUBLIC EXPENDITURES FOR SOCIAL SERVICES. Reduce/eliminate the safety-net and even go so far as roads, bridges, RR’s, natural resources, water supply – as wasteful spending. Of course, government subsidies and tax benefits for corporations are NOT wasteful spending.

DEREGULATION. Reduce government regulation of anything that threatens profits, including environmental and work place safety. See also the TPP. The ‘Trans Pacific Partnership’.

PRIVATIZATION. The sale of state-owned enterprises, and services to private sector. This includes, key industries, railroads, toll highways, electricity, schools, hospitals, prisons and even water supplies. Although usually done in the name of greater efficiency, (which may or not be true in some cases)privatization is rife with corruption and concentrates wealth even more and the public always pays more - ALWAYS.

ELIMINATING CONCEPTS LIKE THE PUBLIC GOOD or COMMONS See Privatization above - and replace it with catch phrases like, ‘individual responsibility.’ Pressure the middle class and the poor to find solutions to problems - not caused by them - and then blaming them, if they fail as ‘lazy.’

It is still attacking Social Security, welfare programs, the rights of labor and education programs. Remember the Republican ‘Contract with (on) America’ or NAFTA, or the repeal of Glass–Steagall ? These were pure neo-liberalism. It still has adherents working day & night to reduce/ deny protections to children, youth, women -- while trying to swindle us into acceptance by saying ‘ Big government is the problem’ or this will ‘get government off my back’, or ‘Take Back America’ or any number of BS axioms. The obvious beneficiaries of this are the 1% and the political elites (Hillary Clinton for example). For the 99% it brings higher distress, outsourcing our manufacturing base, never ending war for profit, along with its cousin - an all-encompassing surveillance/ police state. Hard-fought gains of the last 70+ years are being jack hammered away.

~cobbled together from various sources

November 4, 2013 at 12:24 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

By "cobbled together", Limmy means "I beat the shiz out of Wiki."

November 4, 2013 at 1:23 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Limric, I agree with virtually everything you are saying. If there is any disagreement between us it is strictly a matter of semantics. Regardless of what you call it, both Republicans and Democrats have shifted markedly to the right over the past 30 years or so, with regard to our economy especially. It is laughable to hear conservatives today make the remark that Democrats and liberals in general today are "far left." Even those who are perhaps farther left than most (and I'm admittedly more liberal than most, at least insofar as I am not ashamed to call myself a liberal) are not advocating an all-out socialist system but rather a return, as much as possible anyway, to the things that worked so well those decades after WW2 - things like Glass-Stegall, a minimum wage that makes possible a decent standard of living, heavily funded public education and safety net programs, higher taxes on the rich, etc. I believe that it's past time for a second bill of rights, with the focus on the people and the planet, not solely on corporations and the rich.

November 4, 2013 at 1:25 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

PT, I am not saving little kids in India, nor am I suggesting that you should either. But anything at all, with a little variety to it, beats doing the same old thing, all day long, day in and day out. You obviously don't work, so you are probably collecting social security or disability, getting Medicare or Medicaid, and maybe even on food stamps. Yet you sit there on your old ass all day long complaining about the very things that you benefit from and that enable you to sit there and bitch and moan about how evil those socialist programs are. You, sir, are pathetic.

November 4, 2013 at 1:33 p.m.
facyspacy said...

Love the people that hide behind their politics, never post a fact, attacking other posters with conjectures, only commenting on other peoples' posts, paraphrasing other websites and news channels..... and are there a lot of people from Louisiana? I keep seeing Faux...

So while you all move the subject around, the fact is Obamacare is a failure and Obama still fibs.

When something goes right (Bin Laden) then Obama gets the praise. When something is failing (Healthcare.gov) Obama was not involved or didn't know about it. Who are you kidding?

November 4, 2013 at 1:51 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Roo, you're good at making assumptions based on your biases. I don't recall bashing Medicare or Medicaid. Refresh my old memory. (btw, you got something against old people?) You know nothing about my financial position. If you knew how much money I made the last few years before retiring, you would hate me even more. I could elaborate, but unlike some on here, I feel no need to vomit personal information. You sir, are the typical leftist hypocrite. Judging those that don't agree with you. I feel leftism is wrong. I feel our country is headed in the wrong direction. I feel we have a novice and a liar at the helm. Obama would make Orwell blush with respect to "doublespeak" (newsspeak) So Roo, please just STFU about what you think of me personally. Get it?

November 4, 2013 at 1:54 p.m.
limric said...

”Beat the shiz out of Wiki??”

Incorrect oh King of Vacuous Ideological Spasms.

Even though a schoolboy's jape is supposed to have some ascertainable point. However, you are the only one that laughs unpleasantly at your own jest. ~?

Insolent swine.

November 4, 2013 at 2:24 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

No, limmie, I laugh pleasantly.

November 4, 2013 at 2:30 p.m.
limric said...

I have to admit though Jt6's post: “Healthcare.gov launched with the fanfare and success of a North Korean missile” is a killer. One of the best (funniest) descriptions ever.

November 4, 2013 at 2:59 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Is There Any Thinking Person That Still Believes That Obama Learned of #IRS Scandal on the TV?

November 4, 2013 at 4:33 p.m.
fairmon said...

PT ask....

There Any Thinking Person That Still Believes That Obama Learned of #IRS Scandal on the TV?

I know I am guilty a few times of defending Obama, but no more.

There was a time I thought surely not but the more I see and listen to him I think that seeing it on TV was when he knew. I knew there were people getting helping get him elected because they could manipulate him and make him their puppet.....but his hands off country club style of management is cutting where it hurts. I am sick and tired of his excuse making and blaming everyone else. He will likely take credit for getting the web site fixed, if it is ever fixed, but if not he will blame someone else.

He would screw up a two car funeral procession then give a hell of a eulogy to someone he never knew.

November 4, 2013 at 5:58 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

I just want to thank you for the wonderful health care, Mr. President. said no one

November 4, 2013 at 6:03 p.m.
limric said...

Rick1,

I read the WSJ article but wonder if there some missing pieces? Something doesn't smell right.

The most important statement in the article, To wit: "But in January, United Healthcare sent me a letter announcing that they were pulling out of the individual California market. The company suggested I look to Covered California starting in October." Why they're pulling out is not even addressed.

Why?

Does the ACA outlaw her United Health Care insurance? What am I missing?

My grandson works for fairly large wholesaler and they have had NO changes to their medical plans.

Again, what am I missing?

[please note. I am not a proponent of the ACA, but probably for different reasons than the majority]

November 4, 2013 at 6:06 p.m.
rick1 said...

Limric, it appears United Health Care made a business decision because of ObamaCare not to in participate in certain states' exchanges at this time because it doesn't believe it will be profitable.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-05-30/unitedhealth-spurs-obama-exchanges-as-rules-stall-profit.html

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-05-30/unitedhealth-spurs-obama-exchanges-as-rules-stall-profit.html

November 4, 2013 at 6:30 p.m.
rick1 said...

Thomas Sowell does an excellent job of explaining how government has caused health insurance to increase, and making decisions on what type of insurance we must purchase.

Why do people put so much faith into politicians to fix the problems they have caused? Both parties are to blame and if theses politicians had wasted billions of dollars running a private sector company the way they have wasted our tax dollars, they would be in prison.

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-on-the-right/110413-677857-affordable-care-act-an-old-idea.htm?p=full

November 4, 2013 at 6:46 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

I'm will go on Healthcare.gov and find out who all you mopes are.

November 4, 2013 at 7 p.m.
rick1 said...

Limric, I assume your grandson is in a group plan through his employer. It is the people buying the individual health insurance plans who are receiving cancelation notices or steep increases in their premiums. The reason for this is because ObamaCare is mandating that insurance companies offer services such as medication, maternity and mental health care, dependents able to stay on their parents policy until they are 26, and many of these policies did not cover this in the past. As you know this will drive up the cost.

People use to be able to choose to pick the best plan that fit their needs. Now the government, which believes they know the needs of people better then they do will now dictate what coverage they must purchase, which comes at a heavy cost both financially and may directly impact the quality of life as we saw with the lady from California.

November 4, 2013 at 7:10 p.m.
volsam said...

Is this not the biggest joke of a potus in history? Worse than Tricky Dick and Jimmy Carter combined.How anyone can still try to defend him is beyond me.My insurance went up 35 percent this year so I can pay for the poor.Where the hell does the 30 percent they steal from my check every week go? Social justice is the down fall of America.

November 4, 2013 at 7:34 p.m.
rick1 said...

volsam, here is where the 30 percent goes that they are stealing:

+Full Dental Coverage +Full Mental Coverage +Full Drug Rehab Coverage +Full Pregnancy and Childbirth Coverage +Full Prostate Coverage +Full Ovarian Cancer Coverage +Full Testicular Cancer Coverage +Full Getting Trampled By a Wildebeest Coverage +Full Meteor Strike Coverage +Full Childcare Coverage +Full Collision Coverage PLUS FREE UNDERCOATING!

That's right Friends, it's one MOTHER-FLUKER of a health plan!

http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/uncle-obama-s-health-o-rama-t12014.html

November 4, 2013 at 7:44 p.m.
volsam said...

rick1 I wonder if they could throw in some flood insurance to protect me from global warming.At an additional charge of course.

November 4, 2013 at 7:48 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

They need to talk to the Pricing Director of Jos. A. Bank.

November 4, 2013 at 7:53 p.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "Ok spinmeisters and fact-checkers. Get to work."

It's genuine. He wrote it. What he meant is a matter of debate.

It's plausible that he meant that the United States has many Muslims, who are treated better than those in other countries.

He Tweeted later, after some outrage the following;

"Per Constitution America was founded on Judeo-Christian principals; America IS NOT an Islamic country! GOD BLESS AMERICA🇺🇸"

November 4, 2013 at 8 p.m.
rick1 said...

volsam, don't be foolish everything is free including flood insurance.

November 4, 2013 at 8:02 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Plausible, Alpo? Really?

November 4, 2013 at 8:03 p.m.
alprova said...

degage wrote: "And just why do we have a member of the Muslim brotherhood advising us, especially in the DHS."

Mohamed Elibiary is not a member of the Muslim Brotherhood, but he is an authority on them.

Per the Department of Homeland Security;

"Mohamed Elibiary is the founder of Lone Star Intelligence, LLC. He has advised numerous federal, state and local law enforcement organizations on homeland security-related matters. In 2009 he was acknowledged in a Congressional Research Service report for advising the Information Sharing Environment Program Management Office on the Nationwide Suspicious Activity Reporting Initiative. In 2010 he testified before Congress on “Working with Communities to Disrupt Terror Plots.” In 2011 he was awarded the Louis E. Peters Memorial Award, the FBI’s highest public service award for “his extraordinary contributions to specific cases in support of the FBI’s counterterrorism mission.” In 2012 the Office of the Federal Public Defender, a division of the U.S. Court, recognized Mohamed for his “tremendous service” leveraging his Homegrown Violent Extremism expertise in the United States vs. Daniel Patrick Boyd counter-terrorism case."

It is well known the brotherhood are extremist.

November 4, 2013 at 8:08 p.m.
degage said...

PT, I told you the libs would defend what Elibiary said. Al just proved my point.

November 4, 2013 at 8:21 p.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "No one wants the poor to suffer."

It's not just the poor who are among the uninsured. If I was a millionaire, I cannot purchase a health care policy through any private insurer.

I am one of millions of people who were formerly very responsible people, who for one health care issue or another, are no longer insurable AT ANY PRICE!!

"You bawling lefties always trying to take the moral high ground."

And those of you on the right care not a whit about those who are currently shut out of the health care system, for various reasons.

You have yours, and screw those who don't.

I have every reason to suspect that you are a recipient of Medicare. If I am right, you are very much already a receiver of Universal healthcare for those Americans who are retired. Your age leaves you no choice but to receive Medicare.

You are likely able to afford a Medigap or Medicare Advantage policy, which means your insurance is excellent.

I am not allowed to purchase any Medigap or Medicare Advantage coverage, and to the best of my knowledge, ObamaCare has not fixed that issue for someone like myself.

You've got yours, but screw me.

"If I need to choose between what you say vs. what Ben Carson says….I'll go with the doc."

But of course you will. You'd rather wallow in ignorance, rather than to be enlightened. You care nothing about the plight that millions of others are dealing with.

The thing is, you could very well find yourself in a similar situation sometime in the future.

And that goes for anyone else who believes that their health could not change in an instant.

November 4, 2013 at 8:24 p.m.
volsam said...

alpo, I don't think any sane person would want sick and poor people to suffer, the problem is the government has tried and failed since LBJ to end the war on poverty.I think we all agree that people need health care, it's how we get there is where we apparently disagree.Medicare was set up for the exact same reason the ACA was passed.Obama wants to create a society that is totally dependent on BIG BROTHER Gov't.It's something that he learned from the teachings of Carl Marx and Saul Alinsky.Thomas Jefferson warned EVERYTHING THE GOVERNMENT GIVES YOU THE GOVERNMENT CAN TAKE AWAY.That's what they call tyranny.Ronald Reagan warned THE GOVERNMENT IS NOT THE SOLUTION IT'S THE PROBLEM.I think that pretty much say's it all.

November 4, 2013 at 8:40 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

So alpo, because I believe in what Dr. Ben Carson says, I'm wallowing in ignorance? Strong doo-doo, even from you. And another thang… because I have good insurance, I don't give "a whit" about others? Like I said before, I think you're losing it. I have compassion for all those being shut-out. Even you. Sounds like your beef is with your Messiah, not me.

Mrs. Gage: Your were right, of course. He's soooo predictable.

November 4, 2013 at 8:46 p.m.
alprova said...

limric wrote: "Remember the Republican ‘Contract with (on) America’ or NAFTA, or the repeal of Glass–Steagall ? These were pure neo-liberalism."

I'm not sure if I agree with what you have written limric.

The Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, which repealed Glass-Steagall, was drafted and introduced in the Senate by Republican Senator Phil Gramm. The bill had not one co-sponsors as originally introduced.

It was introduced on the House by two Republicans; Jim Leach & Thomas J. Bliley, Jr.

On November 4, 1999, the final version of the bill, complete with 15 amendments to it, was passed by the Senate 90–8, and by the House 362–57.

Democrats only voted in large numbers for the bill, when amendments were made to the CRA, which boosted home ownership for minorities.

The original intent of the bill was intact, which allowed insurance companies, banks and investment houses to merge, trade, and commingle their finances, which Glass-Steagall prohibited.

Liberals negotiated the changes to the CRA, but it was the Republicans who set up the markets to crash nine years later by insisting on the removal of safeguards that kept this nation Depression free for 75 years.

November 4, 2013 at 8:50 p.m.
conservative said...

Nurseforjustice:

Take your time, I am fully aware of your predicament.

November 4, 2013 at 8:57 p.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "I am sick and tired of his excuse making and blaming everyone else."

What part, if any, do you believe the President had in the creation of the website? Do you believe that he wrote on line of code contained in it?

Every contractor involved in it's inception were long time Government contractors. The expectation was that they could handle the job. There appears to have been a lack of communication, or fears that were not clearly communicated.

But is seems to me that it is rather silly to blame the President for any issues surrounding the website. Every contractor representative testified that they DID NOT notify the President, much less those overseeing the project, that they felt that the site would not work correctly.

"He will likely take credit for getting the web site fixed, if it is ever fixed, but if not he will blame someone else."

I seriously doubt that he will take credit for fixing the website.

"He would screw up a two car funeral procession then give a hell of a eulogy to someone he never knew."

Some of you people really need to quit looking at any President of the United States as a God. They are as human as you and I are, smarter in some areas and dumb as a brick in other areas.

He has never held himself out to be a techie of any description.

November 4, 2013 at 9:02 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

You're unbelievable, Alpo.

November 4, 2013 at 9:05 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

The Dear Leader is compounding his lies today. He has some sorry-ass advisers.

November 4, 2013 at 9:08 p.m.
alprova said...

degage wrote: "I told you the libs would defend what Elibiary said. Al just proved my point."

Ma'am with all due respect, you called the man a Muslim Bortherhood member, and that is provably false.

I don't defend what the man wrote, but why would you call the man something he is not, to attempt to make your point?

Disliking what he wrote is fine, but demeaning him with a false accusation doesn't make you any more credible than he.

November 4, 2013 at 9:10 p.m.
alprova said...

volsam wrote: "alpo, I don't think any sane person would want sick and poor people to suffer, the problem is the government has tried and failed since LBJ to end the war on poverty."

Which is a separate issue altogether, which so many do not want to separate from the intent of ObamaCare.

"I think we all agree that people need health care, it's how we get there is where we apparently disagree. Medicare was set up for the exact same reason the ACA was passed. Obama wants to create a society that is totally dependent on BIG BROTHER Gov't."

If that was his true intent, then why hand the entire health care system over to private insurers? Had every uninsured person been rolled into Medicare, THEN that argument would make far more sense.

November 4, 2013 at 9:16 p.m.
rick1 said...

PT, do you think someone could tell us what's the point of having a president if he's always the last person to learn a problem exists and is never responsible for anything that goes wrong?

November 4, 2013 at 9:16 p.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "So alpo, because I believe in what Dr. Ben Carson says, I'm wallowing in ignorance?"

Pretty much. He's about one of the most heartless men on this planet. He, like yourself, is so far to the right, that it is scary.

"And another thang… because I have good insurance, I don't give "a whit" about others? Like I said before, I think you're losing it. I have compassion for all those being shut-out. Even you."

If you have good insurance, which you refuse to reveal the details thereof, then what are you afraid of? ObamaCare doesn't threaten you at all. Why spend 16 hours a day ranting about something that will never personally affect you for one minute?

"Mrs. Gage: Your were right, of course. He's soooo predictable."

So are you. You're without any life whatsoever, and your life consists of dropping turds into this forum. That's it. Then you sleep for eight hours and start another day of dropping turds.

November 4, 2013 at 9:29 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Rick, hold on,it's coming.

November 4, 2013 at 9:30 p.m.
degage said...

Obama said over and over for years that " if you like your insurance policy you can keep your policy, period, no one is going to take it away from you. If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor, period." Today he tried to change what he said. He truly thinks the American people are stupid. He never said what he was spinning today, then some of his handlers tried to say, well that is what he meant but he mis-spoke. Unbelievable!

November 4, 2013 at 9:33 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

And you, Tony, spend copious amounts of time defending the indefensible. You're backing a loser, and a losing proposition.

November 4, 2013 at 9:46 p.m.
workinjay said...

While I'm wallowing in my ignorance, I'm wondering when the enlightened Alprova is enlightened that losing 200 lbs could greatly improve his health. He says he was responsible by the way.

November 4, 2013 at 9:52 p.m.
alprova said...

workingjay wrote: "While I'm wallowing in my ignorance, I'm wondering when the enlightened Alprova is enlightened that losing 200 lbs could greatly improve his health. He says he was responsible by the way."

I am partly responsible for my predicament. I've never denied it.

But there's more to it, if you must know.

I started a weight loss campaign at the age of 50, which produced a loss of 135 pounds. I've managed to keep it off too.

At the age of 52, I started having brain bleeding strokes, spaced out over a matter of months, about every six weeks. Two major...six minor.

Doctors got that under control, by putting me on massive doses of meds, without the proper blood monitoring that was supposed to be performed. By the time the damage to my kidneys was discovered, it was too late.

I have always been heavy, but I was in very good health until I hit 50. I knew the chances that I could continue to beat the odds was running out, so I made many lifestyle changes.

I have completely reversed many of my bad labs, but not the damage that was done.

People younger than I, and in far better shape too, have keeled over dead of heart attacks and strokes. A very petite, 46 year old Aunt of mine died of a massive aneurism about eight years ago. A 23 year old female first cousin died a decade ago of a massive heart attack, who with no explanation offered after the autopsy. She too was otherwise very normal.

Several times a year, we read in the news of a high school or college athletes keeling over dead.

You think making fun of people with weight issues is humorous. Are you completely confident that there is nothing lurking in your body that will not cause you serious health issues as soon as tomorrow?

I've knew a man who walked out of Doctor's office, following a thorough physical examination, who dropped dead before he reached his car.

I was talking to a co-worker on a loading dock about 20 years ago - a man that was in great physical shape, who dropped dead of a massive heart attack at the age of 38.

On the other hand, Ernest Borgnine, who was fat as I once was, lived to the age of 95, died of kidney failure.

Charles Durning, a very fat man, is now age 89.

Ned Beatty, another porker, is 76 years old.

So you see, there is no rhyme or reason, nor any promise that if you spend five hours a day working out in a gym, that you are assured a longer life than that of a man who weighs 300 pounds or more.

But you go right ahead and believe that you are bulletproof and that destiny or Karma will not deliver you one day, into your own reality that you believe will never come your way.

November 4, 2013 at 11:06 p.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "And you, Tony, spend copious amounts of time defending the indefensible. You're backing a loser, and a losing proposition."

Jack, it's a year until the mid-term elections.

Your President and his cohorts have a year to get his currently losing proposition up, running, and producing palpable numbers of Americans who have been served very winning propositions.

7 million is all they need this first sign-up session, which will last for the next 5 months, in order to make the rolling out of ObamaCare a shining success.

With 50 million, and more, currently in need of health care insurance, are you willing to bet that they will not reach that goal and then some?

November 4, 2013 at 11:16 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Tony, yes to the bet.

November 4, 2013 at 11:57 p.m.
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