published Sunday, November 24th, 2013

Turkey Day

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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nucanuck said...

Next Up...Single Payer

November 24, 2013 at 12:07 a.m.
soakya said...

that's was the plan all along

November 24, 2013 at 12:25 a.m.

It is a turkey, just like the person it's names for.

That was the plan all along, yes. It's nice to know though, that obama is exposed for what he's always been his entire life, a liar.

What the jackass that occupies the White House now really wants is tyranny. Reid just took another step for his master in that direction. The majority will now decide what rules to enforce and what rules to change in order to enhance their power. How anyone with an ounce of intelligence can't see what Obama and Reid are doing, no matter what party you identify with, is beyond me.

November 24, 2013 at 12:31 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Iran: "Death to America". BHO: "I'm working as fast as I can"

November 24, 2013 at 12:44 a.m.

Suckers.

November 24, 2013 at 12:46 a.m.
MasterBlaster said...

"Don't like it? Then try winning an election..."

~ President Obama

Keep whining losers, your tears are the sweetest of nectars...

November 24, 2013 at 1:07 a.m.
yddem said...

Single payer is the only program which can provide health insurance for all U.S. citizens. Medicare eligibility for all U.S. citizens has been my mantra for years. I do not understand why those who profess to want a health care system that works are afraid to demand the only program which can work.

November 24, 2013 at 1:31 a.m.
fairmon said...

Who will pay for the turkey? The hard working over taxed middle class. The alternative? Eliminate the monopolies provided large insurers by the states and eliminate the manipulation of cost by Medicare, HMOs and PPOs. Eliminate price fixing by providers and require itemized cost billing. Healthcare cost have gone up much more than normal since government became involved in healthcare.

A lot of Americans will have their goose cooked by Obama care which should be labeled Obama doesn't care.

November 24, 2013 at 1:49 a.m.
fairmon said...

yddem said...

I do not understand why those who profess to want a health care system that works are afraid to demand the only program which can work.

The primary reason is because it doesn't work now and would not work if the current system were imposed on every citizen. The current Medicare premium plus the medical tax paid by those working that is matched by their employer does not cover the healthcare cost of those currently participating in Medicare even though the amount paid providers are artificially low mandated rates.

November 24, 2013 at 2:09 a.m.
nucanuck said...

fairmon,

I would put it a little differently. Single Payer CAN work, but that doesn't mean that the US won't find a way to screw it up. If all you boys are determined enough to undermine your best chance for a reasonable solution, single payer, then you will get what you deserve...a disintegrating country.

November 24, 2013 at 3:30 a.m.
MickeyRat said...

Something Republicans don't want you to know.

From 2001 - 2008 insurance companies 'net profits' went from 2.5 to 12.5 billion. Your costs increased by up to 150% while canceling millions of policies and denying claims to increase profits. With those profits they bought the Republican Party en toto to make you think it is Obamacare alone that is totally responsible for increases, cancellations etc.

Republicans idea (or lack thereof) for a health care system is more akin to a shyster used car lot than a civilized modern nation.

They did however give us bonus comedians (bad as they are) - Cruz, Bachman, Palin et al. One of which is a welfare recipient.

November 24, 2013 at 4:52 a.m.
fairmon said...

nucanuck said...

fairmon,

I would put it a little differently. Single Payer CAN work, but that doesn't mean that the US won't find a way to screw it up.

nucanuck, we have already found a way by funding it with borrowed money because the premiums plus medical insurance paid by workers and their employers are artificially low. Also Medicare is written in a way it covers those 65 and above. So, there would need to be a major change in coverage provisions if those under 65 are to be included. The politically unpopular act of adjusting taxes and the premiums would also be necessary. No exceptions, exemptions and no employer, union or other group involvement or discounts for it to work as it should.

We have 544 people in charge that are ill prepared to effectively deal with the issue (congress and administration) with their propensity to show favor and their desire to win favor through manipulation destroys objectivity.

nucanuck also said...

If all undermine your best chance for a reasonable solution, single payer, then you will get what you deserve...a disintegrating country.

nuca...we have that in full force already and the bill called the affordable health care act will assure the disintegration with more certainty. It is a poorly designed poorly written bill that three or four major insurance companies love.

November 24, 2013 at 6:55 a.m.
fairmon said...

MickeyRat said...

With those profits they bought the Republican Party en toto to make you think it is Obamacare alone that is totally responsible for increases, cancellations etc.

MR..I am not and have no use for the republican party. However, you may want to check how much insurance companies, financial entities and unions contributed to whom. The insurance and pharmaceuticals spent millions helping advertise and promote the ACA. It is supposed to insure 30 million more people with an average of $2500 per year less cost per family of four. It would be more accurate to say all those additional people can be provided healthcare insurance for that additional annual amount per person.

A lack of credibility out of both parties has not been surprising but has done nothing to help the situation. Are you saying that even with the requirement that 80% of all premium revenue be paid out in claims or subscribers refunded for any amount less than that the insurance companies are the cause of cancellations and increases in cost?

November 24, 2013 at 7:14 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

It's obvious someone has to get back on the kitchen, and that squares with my experience so far in using the website to find coverage in FL. But the only alternative I am hearing from the GOP to the ACA is Spam. Maybe with noodles. If they think the status quo should remain in place, they need to say so. If they have an alternative that's better, they should put it out there.

November 24, 2013 at 7:38 a.m.
caddy said...

Suckers indeed ! Stupid Sheepal

November 24, 2013 at 8:13 a.m.
k4flh said...

Stupid typical anti Obama BS.

November 24, 2013 at 8:59 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Wish I had bought stock in Kool-Aid in '08.

November 24, 2013 at 9 a.m.
limric said...

Here’s a thought.

Outlaw health care insurance. I’d be willing to bet a doctor’s visit wouldn’t cost $150 anymore for very long. Fewer hypochondriacs. By-pass surgery wouldn’t cost eighty grand.

As per free market theory (and one of the tenets of libertarianism) shouldn’t overall costs decline while quality of care increase due to available practitioners having to compete?

Just a thought.

November 24, 2013 at 9:07 a.m.
degage said...

SS recipients pay a part from their checks for medicare. Would welfare recipients have to pay from their checks also in a single payer form of health care? Just wondering what you libs think. I know some SS recipient that only get700 or 800 amonth and have to pay at least 104 out of that check for their medicare.

Ike, we were in Carrabelle and stayed at the moorings Friday. Looked for your boat at different marinas but didn;t see it. Where is your boat?

November 24, 2013 at 9:35 a.m.
librul said...

Hey Barry! ---

Even Ralph Nader is in favor of scrapping the ACA ... for the far better product America needs which you were too timid to create. Unlike the stodgy wonks baying for preservation of the entrapping spiderweb of debt ridden, callous, corporate insurance criminality; his article on CounterPunch.org spells out the ultimate solution. To wit:

Dear America:

Costly complexity is baked into Obamacare. No health insurance system is without problems but Canadian style single-payer full Medicare for all is simple, affordable, comprehensive and universal.

In the early 1960s, President Lyndon Johnson enrolled 20 million elderly Americans into Medicare in six months. There were no websites. They did it with index cards!

Below please find 21 Ways the Canadian Health Care System is Better than Obamacare.

Repeal Obamacare and replace it with the much more efficient single-payer, everybody in, nobody out, free choice of doctor and hospital.

Love, Canada

Go here to see the solution .. and examine the: 21 Ways The Cadanian Health Care System Is Better Than Obamacare:

http://www.counterpunch.org/

November 24, 2013 at 10:23 a.m.
nucanuck said...

librul,

That's a good article and all Americans should read it. I would add that it is a constant struggle to contain medical costs anywhere and Canada is no exception, but the system if fair, easy to access, and effective for all.

I am currently waiting for a cataract removal (up to six months) and a friend is waiting for a hip replacement, but neither of us are critical. The waits are related to cost containment efforts and do not affect immediate access and treatment for the vast majority of care.

Canadians do pay more in taxes, but not much in return for what we get.

Could the US pull off such a transition?

US Political behavior has not been very responsible since 1971, when the US went off the gold standard. Since 1980 the debt has only gone up with lower taxation that didn't cover the escalating spending. Since 2000 the US hasn't seemed to be able to do anything right.

November 24, 2013 at 11:18 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

So now it's Be Like Canada Week, huh?

November 24, 2013 at 11:36 a.m.
librul said...

Whatever works - Republican do-nothingism sure doesn't!

November 24, 2013 at 11:54 a.m.
yddem said...

2012, U.S. #1 in military expenditures of $689 billion, 4 times more than #2 China, 7 times more than #3 Russia (isn't the Cold War era of massive spending supposed to be over?), 11 times more than #4 UK, and 30 times more than #14 Canada.

November 24, 2013 at 12:17 p.m.
Maximus said...

Clay's depiction of average American's sitting down at the table for Thanksgiving is very revealing. He hates them. Why are his characters always fat and ugly.

As for Obamascare: 1. Stay healthy, push away from the Thanksgiving table and take a walk. 2. The government led by "buy their vote Democrats" is a nightmare,

Those who can't afford it or who refuse to work should be on minimal guvment relief healthcare. Leave Medicare alone as long as it is proven that recipients have paid taxes long enough to earn coverage at 65. As for the younger workers, healthcare savings accounts or free market across state lines health plans are the best route to take. Finally, go low carb, visit the gym three times a week, drive safe, party safe and you will find that you will not have to access healthcare very often.

November 24, 2013 at 12:31 p.m.
yddem said...

Fat and ugly? You are a sick puppy.

November 24, 2013 at 12:33 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Hi, degage! Sorry we missed you! We are not in a marina (the folks at the Moorings are very nice-we've stayed in their hotel before) We have a lot and dock up the river past the bridge. Because the river curves back, our lot is actually in town, walking distance to the IGA.

November 24, 2013 at 12:45 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Facts leaking from Iran talks: SOS Kerry made Ayatollah give verbal and written Pinky Promise not to be bad.

November 24, 2013 at 1:20 p.m.
fairmon said...

librul said...

Whatever works - Republican do-nothingism sure doesn't!

Too bad the republicans are not doing nothing. The country would be much better off if both parties did nothing other than defend us from attack from any foreign country and from any internal physical harm while assuring interstate commerce and competition without pricing collusion then stay the hell out of peoples lives.

Limrics 9:07 post sounds far out to most but isn't as irrational as the ACA.

November 24, 2013 at 1:37 p.m.
fairmon said...

Is this bird a blue goose instead of a turkey?

November 25, 2013 at 7:17 a.m.
jesse said...

It's a turkey Fairmon that by eatin time will have morphed into a CROW!!

November 25, 2013 at 8:53 a.m.
ibshame said...

Mitch McConnell may get primaried by a teabagger but he should be more fearful of what may happen to his chances in the GENERAL ELECTION against a Democrat if the story in the Washington Post is true. He might just be one cooked turkey. LOL

In rural Kentucky, health-care debate takes back seat as the long-uninsured line up http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/in-rural-kentucky-health-care-debate-takes-back-seat-as-people-sign-up-for-insurance/

November 25, 2013 at 9:38 a.m.
limric said...

"It's a turkey that by eatin time will have morphed into a CROW!!"

LOL That's awesome Jesse!

November 25, 2013 at 9:53 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

Obamacare is admittedly a turkey. Its very concept was flawed from the get-go. It still gives way too much power to the insurance companies, and Republicans should have liked it for that reason alone. They have insisted that Obama never met them halfway or came to the table to discuss it with him, but his plan itself was a huge compromise! He had wanted single payer, or at the very least the inclusion of a public option, but he knew he didn't have the votes, even from his fellow (blue dog) Democrats, to get it, so he stepped up to the plate with a plan that he thought Republicans could live with. Even the mandate, as we all know, was the brainchild of conservatives. But as long as we place private profits above the general health and welfare of the nation we are going to have a system that is flawed, unfair, and too expensive for the average person to afford. Single payer is the only way to go. It's the only thing that has a ghost of a chance of working.

No system is perfect but most other countries are doing a far better job of insuring their citizens than the U.S., and doing it much more cheaply. It's interesting to hear all the ideas offered up from you conservatives, about how to go about fixing the problem. Oh wait... there aren't any ideas coming from you guys! As far as you're concerned, you just want to go right back to square one. As long as you've got yours, everything is hunky-dory and it's perfectly acceptable for 45 million people to not have access to health insurance. And it's perfectly okay for premiums to keep escalating year after year, whether Obamacare is in place or not. And it's perfectly okay for people to go bankrupt because of astronomical medical bills. And it's perfectly okay for thousands of people to die each year from lack of health insurance. They're all just moochers and takers anyway, right? Just as long as you've got yours, there is no problem, right?

November 25, 2013 at 12:45 p.m.
ibshame said...

The rollout has been a debacle no doubt about it. However, it's not as if the computer glitches can't be fixed. In fact, that is the least of the problems. President Obama should have been made aware of the glitches and the fact some people would in fact lose their insurance. Anytime something is as big as the ACA it should have been MICROMANAGED by a team whose ONLY job was to make sure the program was ready and any glitches could be fixed in a relatively short amout of time. With all of that said it still is the best thing for people who have been without insurance, lost their insurance, been refused insurance because of pre-existing conditions, had their rates go up without cause and been sold policies that cover nothing more than the cost of a band-aid.

If Repubs want it to go away then they should offer something better than the status quo of what was in place before the ACA was passed. So far, all they have offered is criticism. If they have something better then they should put up or shut up.

November 25, 2013 at 1:14 p.m.
jesse said...

The problems w/ACA and the start up are like a bite of bad meat, the more they chew on it the bigger it gets till ya either choke on it or spit it out!!

November 25, 2013 at 1:33 p.m.
fairmon said...

ibshame said...

So far, all they have offered is criticism. If they have something better then they should put up or shut up.

Some republicans have offered a very workable and logical plan but it is hard to listen and talk at the same time. Both parties have some people that talk incessantly, they are called geese, all they do is flap around as they squawk and crap.

November 25, 2013 at 1:54 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Fairmon, there have been a few random suggestions or ideas from various Republicans, but nothing that could even remotely be considered a "plan." And most of the ideas have consisted of nothing more than medical savings accounts or suggestions of eating better, working out, and taking personal responsibility for one's health. Nothing wrong with any of those suggestions but they are not going to come close to a real solution or plan for what is needed to fix the problem. So far the only actual plan to come forth from any Republican, and only at a state-wide level, has been Romneycare, and guess what...it's almost identical to Obamacare. It's okay for Republicans if a fellow Republican comes up with it and institutes it but if it comes from the pen of a Democrat, especially a Democrat named Obama, then it's poison to Republicans.

November 25, 2013 at 2:08 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Hey lib shame and Roo: Don't knock the status quo. It beat the heck outta the POS offered up by the Organizer.

November 25, 2013 at 3:36 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

The status quo does not "beat the heck" out of anything, unless you're one of the fortunate ones to have a decent health plan provided by an employer or you are rich enough to be able to afford the more expensive individual plans. I love how you just matter of factly dismiss the tens of millions of Americans who cannot afford or who do not qualify for health insurance. That is shameful for any nation that calls itself civilized, to allow that many people to suffer without it. You can only continue dismissing them as moochers and takers for so long. If we allow the status quo to continue for much longer, with its runaway costs and insurance companies being allowed to exclude people for the sake of more company profits, then it won't be long before you and millions of other Americans will be in the same boat as the "moochers" and "takers." And if you think you are impervious to accidents, serious illnesses, or other twists of fate from rendering you penniless or homeless or stripped of your insular financial bubble of protection, then you are even more delusional than I thought.

November 25, 2013 at 4:19 p.m.
limric said...

The only way out of the clusterf#ck that is the ACA, or the outrageously inequitable status quo is a Canadian style health care for all system.

The fight for it will be an extremely difficult road to travel- but it will happen. And when it does, Republicans will be crying and pleading like Rocky Sullivan's last moments in 'Angels With Dirty Faces'.

November 25, 2013 at 4:28 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Roo: I haven't dismissed anyone. Nor mentioned moochers. So you think obamacare will lower healthcare costs? Really?

November 25, 2013 at 4:29 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

I never said it would lower health care costs. If you read my first post you would see that I have never been a big fan of Obamacare. I think it's just a Band-Aid on a bleeding artery. But it's a step in the right direction of trying to do something to get coverage for the millions of uninsured and under-insured Americans. If anything positive can be said for it, at least it has gotten more people taking the issue seriously, realizing that we cannot continue with the status quo, which is totally inadequate, unfair, and inexcusable.

November 25, 2013 at 4:42 p.m.
fairmon said...

Rickaroo said...

Nothing wrong with any of those suggestions but they are not going to come close to a real solution or plan for what is needed to fix the problem. So far the only actual plan to come forth from any Republican,

Not accurate but you are locked in on the ACA which is a disaster in the making in years to come so I won't describe the plan that would work since it takes so long to document it. I do agree most republicans spend more time criticizing than promoting a better plan. The reason is neither party has members of congress that know their rear from straight up about healthcare insurance. They are and have been wealthy plus have the best plan in the land and we pay for it.

November 25, 2013 at 4:42 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

MickeyRat said...

Something Republicans don't want you to know.

From 2001 - 2008 insurance companies 'net profits' went from 2.5 to 12.5 billion. Your costs increased by up to 150% while canceling millions of policies and denying claims to increase profits. With those profits they bought the Republican Party en toto to make you think it is Obamacare alone that is totally responsible for increases, cancellations etc.

Your data comes from “Health Care for America Now” a far left wing Communist group pushing socialized healthcare which doesn’t stop with just “Medicare For All”. We need to be doubtful (discard?) of any data they provide.

The time period you selected the profits were $2.41 billion to $8.40 billion — a 249 percent increase. This increase was not industry wide but from only 10 companies that were cherry picked to give the largest numbers. Even with your numbers as compared to total healthcare costs of about $2.7 trillion their profits are only .5% of the total (Big Deal .... Right?) and that isn’t what is driving up healthcare costs.

The profits were not adjusted to account for corporate takeovers by those companies which has the effect of enlarging their profits but not the industry as a whole which did not change greatly. The insurance industry’s profits are included in their overhead cost numbers but even at that their overhead costs per person covered is much less that that of Medicare.

Republicans idea (or lack thereof) for a health care system is more akin to a shyster used car lot than a civilized modern nation.

Alprove isn’t going to like hearing that.

November 25, 2013 at 6:03 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

^^ Alpo will be back. His ego will demand it.

November 25, 2013 at 6:12 p.m.
MickeyRat said...

'Health Care for America Now' "a far left wing Communist group"

Sweetie (or is it Mrs. Hannity), the above statement (contextually correct) shot the whole of your argumentative clap trap as.....BOGUS

Additionally:

"The insurance industry’s profits are included in their overhead cost numbers but even at that their overhead costs per person covered is much less that that of Medicare."

Whoopsies BOGUS.

November 25, 2013 at 7:02 p.m.
fairmon said...

Medicare is the most inept inefficient insurance systems on earth.

Limiting access to insurers to those the state commissioners allow to offer insurance in their state is not for the protection of the people in that state but it does benefit the insurers and protects them from competition.

1-Allow people to procure their healthcare insurance from any provider within the domain of regulated U.S. businesses.

2-Allow insurers to offer al carte selection of coverage by those paying for the insurance. Those at risk will share the risk. ie. those that can become pregnant will select that coverage and share the cost of being protected against the potential cost. Require all policies include those illnesses or injuries the person has a possibility of incurring with the validated ability to afford a higher deductible to obtain a lower premium.

3-Require insurers to make coverage available to those with pre-existing conditions with various options for recovering excess cost to the provider.

4-Require insurers to pay out in valid claims 80 cents of every dollar received in premiums or other fees from those insured.

5-Tort reform that limits monetary awards to no more than 3x the anticipated earning power based on the actuarial tables.

6-Confirm from two unrelated sources the need for supplemental assistance for healthcare premiums. Provide those qualifying a healthcare insurance voucher for use only for the purchase of healthcare insurance.

7-Require providers to publish the fee for each service and require that each patient be charged the same fee for the same service. No Medicare, PPO, HMO rates.

8-Each person will have one policy and the cost will be the same for all people with the same coverage. No individual, family or other rate exceptions.

The government role should be to provide logical, reasonable and enforceable regulations that are in fact monitored and enforced.

Those providing quality care at the best price will become the provider of choice forcing those not competitive to become better at what they do.

Decide if healthcare is to be a state issue or federal issue and eliminate the commissioner and involvement of one of them.

November 25, 2013 at 8:24 p.m.
yddem said...

fairmon said . . .

"Medicare is the most inept inefficient insurance systems on earth."

If you have any credible authority for that incredible declaration, post a link.

November 25, 2013 at 10:29 p.m.
yddem said...

Jt6gR3hM said...

" 'Health Care for America Now' [is] a far left wing Communist group pushing socialized healthcare . . . ."

For those who are not right wing nut jobs and might be inclined to care about the truth, the members of the organization include Children's Defense Fund, American Academy of Family Physicians, AFL-CIO, NAACP, American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees, et al.

November 25, 2013 at 10:58 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

yddem said...

fairmon said . . ."Medicare is the most inept inefficient insurance systems on earth."

If you have any credible authority for that incredible declaration, post a link.

They might not be number one but they are definitely in the hunt.

http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d11430t.pdf

“Medicare remains on a path that is fiscally unsustainable over the long term. This fiscal pressure heightens CMS’s challenges to reform and refine Medicare’s payment methods to achieve efficiency and savings, and to improve its management, program integrity, and oversight of patient care and safety.”

“We have designated Medicare as a high-risk program because its complexity and susceptibility to improper payments, combined with its size, have led to serious management challenges.”

In 2010 they lost 10% ($50 billion) of their payout to improper payments and that is 400% greater than the net profits of the healthcare insurance industry.

November 25, 2013 at 10:59 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

yddem said...

Jt6gR3hM said..." 'Health Care for America Now' [is] a far left wing Communist group pushing socialized healthcare . . . ."

For those who are not right wing nut jobs and might be inclined to care about the truth, the members of the organization include Children's Defense Fund, American Academy of Family Physicians, AFL-CIO, NAACP, American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees, et al.

As I was saying.

November 25, 2013 at 11:01 p.m.
yddem said...

That's a retraction on both fronts.

November 25, 2013 at 11:07 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

ibshame said...

Mitch McConnell may get primaried by a teabagger but he should be more fearful of what may happen to his chances in the GENERAL ELECTION against a Democrat if the story in the Washington Post is true. He might just be one cooked turkey. LOL

In rural Kentucky, health-care debate takes back seat as the long-uninsured line

uphttp://www.washingtonpost.com/national/in-rural-kentucky-health-care-debate-takes-back-seat-as-people-sign-up-for-insurance/

From your link:

“All right,” she said. “We’ve got you eligible for Medicaid.”

In a state where 15 percent of the population, about 640,000 people, are uninsured, 56,422 have signed up for new health-care coverage, with 45,622 of them enrolled in Medicaid and the rest in private health plans, according to figures released by the governor’s office Friday.

Also, Gov. Steve Beshear (D) is the only Southern governor to sign on to expanded eligibility parameters for Medicaid, the federal health-insurance program for the poor.

“If you go to the doctor, all you’re going to pay is $1,” she began. “If you’re in the hospital for an extended period, you should only be billed $5. . . . If you get medicine, generics are $1 and brand is $4. . . . You can go to the dentist once a month — exams, X-rays and cleanings are covered. . . .Now for your teeth, the plan does take care of having them pulled and does take care of fillings, but not bridges, because that’s considered cosmetic.”

Those kind of numbers may get some of those people to vote Fleabagger but I wouldn’t think you would want to point to Kentucky as an Obamacare success. 640,000 uninsured but only 8% have signed up and 80% of those are Medicaid. Without the paying customers and especially the young the system is on its way down fast and hard.

The failure of Obamacare especially in Kentucky is not going to get the vast majority of voters there to vote Fleabagger. The Fleabagger senate candidate and her advisers already realize this and they are trying to push the “War on Women” ploy. After all she is an “Obama Girl” ...Right?

November 25, 2013 at 11:26 p.m.
yddem said...

jt, resorting to one of your favorite "you too" ploys, the waste in Medicare is minuscule compared to the hundreds of billions of dollars of losses from fraud and ineptitude in military expenditures:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/lorenthompson/2011/12/19/how-to-waste-100-billion-weapons-that-didnt-work-out/

http://www.reuters.com/investigates/pentagon/#article/part2

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/18/gao-audit-federal-government-defense_n_2507097.html

November 25, 2013 at 11:35 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

MasterBlaster said...

"Don't like it? Then try winning an election..." ~ President Obama

Actually:

"You don't like a particular policy -- or a particular president -- then argue for your position. Go out there and win an election. ~ President Obama

But who is concerned for accuracy? ... Right?

Give no quarter ... Most Excellent ... This and other statements by Obama, the Fleabaggers, along with no filibuster will be excellent brick bats to beat down moderate Republicans’ attempts to compromise with those Fleabagger swine once the political pendulum swings back to the Republican side. 2014 and acquisition of the Senate and on to beat Elizabeth Warren the Indian princess in 2016... it can’t come too soon

November 25, 2013 at 11:55 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

yddem said...

jt, resorting to one of your favorite "you too" ploys, the waste in Medicare is minuscule compared to the hundreds of billions of dollars of losses from fraud and ineptitude in military expenditures:

Whiplash !!!

November 25, 2013 at 11:58 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

yddem said...If you have any credible authority for that incredible declaration, post a link.

http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d11430t.pdf

yddem said...You too

?

November 26, 2013 at 12:04 a.m.
fairmon said...

yiddem...do you need more information on Medicare? Are you saying military wasteful spending and fraud justifies the staggering loss and fraud in Medicare?

Few people believe the cost of government could be reduced by 30% without reduced services or protection. The size and self serving needs within government makes meaningful corrections impossible.

Any government employee can talk at length about how critical the role they have is to the countries survival etc. etc. Any attempt to reduce inefficiencies or eliminate a useless entity is met with resistance and criticism. The duplications and turf protection are far worse than in the private sector where it is pretty difficult to make changes. In government it is nearly impossible since those in office cater to government employees to gain their support in their re-election effort.

November 26, 2013 at 12:39 a.m.
ibshame said...

"Jt6gR3hM said... Give no quarter ... Most Excellent ... This and other statements by Obama, the Fleabaggers, along with no filibuster will be excellent brick bats to beat down moderate Republicans’ attempts to compromise with those Fleabagger swine once the political pendulum swings back to the Republican side. 2014 and acquisition of the Senate and on to beat Elizabeth Warren the Indian princess in 2016... it can’t come too soon"

You and the rest of the teabaggers and right wing nuts also predicted President Obama was going to be defeated last year. Your prediction as to the outcome of the elections in 2014 and 2016 have about as much usefulness as the lottery numbers found in a fortune cookie. In fact, those numbers are probably more accurate than your predictions.

November 26, 2013 at 7:47 a.m.
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