published Friday, October 18th, 2013

5-at-10: Friday mailbag

Gang, great week. Tip of the Larry Fedora to you all.

Let's crack the bag of mail.

From McPell

Ok, you had games to remember the other day, how about games that made you want to barf, and maybe try to drink enough to forget - I offer Van Tiffin's last second field goal in 1985 against Auburn.

McPell —

Excellent question. So you want the Rushmore of Unforgettable sports moments for all the wrong reasons.

OK, here we go:

The game Harry Thornton mentioned when David Greene found Michael Johnson for Georgia's game-winning TD at Auburn in 2002. As hard a stomach-punch loss as we can remember.

Evander Holyfield beating Riddick Bowe in a decision. Holyfield was a 5-to-1 underdog and let's say there was a lot of entertainment lost on that one.

When we learned that Len Bias had died. We were at a basketball camp at Woodward Academy in Atlanta, and we were told the news by the camp speaker that morning, former Georgia coach Hugh Durham, who made a drawn out story about it and hammered home the point of using drugs.

There are a lot of fourth options, and a slew of them are Auburn related. Most likely when we followed the then-No. 4-ranked Auburn Tigers to Knoxville in 1989 and sat in a driving rain storm as Tennessee man-handled the Tigers.

Less than good times.


From Too Much

You said recently that you are more excited for the NBA than college basketball season. Really?

How could that be possible considering the NBA doesn't matter until the last two minutes?

Thanks, enjoy the 5@10 and whatever happened with Press Row -- that was the best show in town?

Too Much —

First, great handle. Did you think about going with the No. 2, like 2 Legit 2 Quit. Side question: Talk about a sprint to the top and a sprint to the bottom with equal speed and focus, what happened to MC Hammer. Hammer Time was quickly overpowering and over powerfully quick. And how may pairs of Hammer Pants did you have Spy, five?

Anyhoo, where were we?

Yes, the NBA is better. Much better. Too Much better — see what we did there.

College hoops has been bludgeoned by early departures and the clear and present danger that the regular season is little more than window dressing and a pompous and circumstantial march to 20 wins so you can get on or inside the magical bubble.

You say the first 40 minutes of an NBA game do not matter. We say the first 4 months of college hoops are scrimmages and Big Mondays and Dicky V screaming at the TV and calling us baby.

Plus, we are extra intrigued by the NBA right now because of LeBron James. We enjoy the pursuit of greatness and James is in the chase for all-time excellence. Good times.

Thanks for the kind words and for the question. And who knows what will with the radio show — we do know it was fun because of all the folks involved.


From Spy

5, I know y'all are all about the SEC, but any thoughts on Clemson vs. Florida State in the biggest game between those two that didn't involve a Bowden since 1988 (and those two teams were loaded that year).

Spy —

Tons of thoughts.

Let's go top five thoughts on this match-up:

1) Quarterback now vs. quarterback future: Tajh Boyd could punch his Heisman invite with a win and a decent performance. Jameis Winston could do the same, and even propel himself into the front-runner spot for next year with a big game. Mel Kiper said this week that if Winston has a big moment on the national stage on the road, he also could move to the front of the 2015 draft class. Big stakes, who will be a baller, shot caller and deserve 20-inch blades on the Impala.

2) Bo nicknames on the line: Dabo vs. Jimbo, next on Duck Dynasty? Nope, the winner of this game has pole position on a BCS title shot. Sure Alabama and Oregon will still be 1-2, but the Tide and the Ducks still have their big hurdles ahead of them. The winner of Saturday's showdown in Death Valley takes the lead-dog spot.

3) First-rounder on first-rounder: The man you know better as Joe the Policeman from the 'What's Going Down' episode of "That's My Momma," Mr. Sammy Watkins faces Lamarcus Joyner in a matchup that could be replicated for the next decade on Sundays. Watkins' skills in space are marvelous to watch. Joyner's ability to eliminate space is intriguing. Good times.

4) The atmosphere is going to be awesome in its awesomeness. When big-time college football venues host night games of this magnitude and get rocking like Death Valley will be rocking, there are few sporting events that are more enjoyable to watch. More good times.

5) Will Brent Musberger make a nationally televised pass at any co-eds. Let's hope not. Still it's better than Verne Lundquist, who in his beautiful and predictable mispronunciations would be telling us all about the quarterback battle between Tajh Mahal against Jimmie Walker. Tell 'em about it Jojo.



Jay - heard about the Oreo addict issue last night from Mrs. Sportsfan and Little Ms Sportsfan (who by the way got a mention in the TFP this am...thank you very much). For the mailbag, what's your Rushmore of cookies? Put me down for homemade chocolate chip, homemade peanut butter, homemade teacakes (JMC may know what these are), and Trefoils dipped in hot fudge...I don't really see the magic of Oreo's.

Sportsfan —

We're with you. We like Oreo's fine and all and rarely are we going to say no — we've been cursed with a sweet tooth and when the Mrs. can cook like the Mrs. 5-at-10 can cook, well we're destined to be a fat old man. War Desserts.

In truth, Oreo's really exploded because of the Cookies-n-Cream ice cream, which was a great decision by the Oreo's folks. Think about it, Oreo's were a fine, regular processed cookie that has become a monster since the ice cream merger, a combination that has been as productive as Jordan and Pippen or chips and salsa.

So our Rushmore of cookies is:

1) Homemade chocolate chips: Great call SF and gang, know this — do not add a special secret ingredient like marshmallows or what have you. This one is pure and perfect, just get out of the way.

2) Trefoils: Another great call. This also applies to the regular Sandies and the magic of butter cookies everywhere.

3) Fudge Rounds: Hey, this is our list so pipe down.

4) Do-si-Dos: Good stuff.


From Jack S.

You quote a bunch of movies. Like a bunch.

A bunch of us try to count how many different movies you quote in a given 5@10. The most we have counted is 11 different movies.

What's your record and what movie do you quote most?

Jack —

We have never counted the movie references to tell you the truth. If we had to guess, 11 would have to be the most.

That's pretty cool. And let's have a mini-SEC breakdown and see how many movies we can work into the weekend preview. Deal? Deal.

South Carolina at UT: You want the truth? Mike Davis is the truth, and we don't know if they can handle the truth. An orange win would shake the state — think ya used enough dynamite there Butch — but can we trust Justin Worley to deliver a roundhouse kick to the face of a top-10 defense?

UGA at Vandy: We fear the salad days are no more for James Franklin. And we know that Todd Grantham is not a war-time consigiliere. We'll watch this one with a keen eye, even if Vandy has no head-toppers, bunch a mites.

Auburn at Texas A&M: Think Johnny Football could consume the English with fireballs from his eyes and bolts of lightning from his arse? Gus Malzahn is no Dr. Rosenrosen, but a win would beyond huge. Like out there. A major rush. I mean it feels out there in a radical tubular sort of way. At least he has a trade.

Arkansas at Alabama: Prediction? Pain. Like Mongo, Arkansas is just a pawn in the game of life right now. Hey, Bret, fat drunk and stupid is no way to go through life son. Don't sell yourself short, you're a tremendous slouch.

We got more but we're running low on time. Who gives a hit it's gone.


From Billy-in-Brainerd

I will be at Bobby Dodd Saturday. For the mailbag: If the Jackets finish at 5-7, who would be a good fit at Tech? Spy - feel free to chime in before Friday.

Billy —

Whomever replaces Paul Johnson at Tech — be it this year or down the road — will have a monster job, considering the following:

• The roster is built for the triple option. Johnson is one of the last proponents of that offense, so a complete and total overhaul will be in store for the next couple of recruiting classes.

• Tech will always be no better than the No. 2 school in Georgia in the eyes of the prospects and the majority of folks in the state. Even Spy will admit this.

• Recruiting is made tougher by the academic hurdles Tech students have to clear.

That said, there will assuredly not be a shortage of names interested in the Tech gig.

If he would take it, Spy's suggestion of Ken Whisenhunt would be an over-the-moon hire.

Depending how Saturday plays out, Clemson OC Chad Morris will be a hot name this offseason.

We think LSU offensive coordinator Cam Cameron will draw a lot of interest this offseason, too.

And how's this one for an out-of-leftfield name — George O'Leary, who has built Central Florida into a player in the Sunshine state. Better check his resume, though.

about Jay Greeson...

Jay was named the Sports Editor of the Times Free Press in 2003 and started with the newspaper in May 2002 as the Deputy Sports Editor. He was born and raised in Smyrna, Ga., and graduated from Auburn University before starting his newspaper career in 1997 with the Newnan (Ga.) Times Herald. Stops in Clayton and Henry counties in Georgia and two years as the Sports Editor of the Marietta (Ga.) Daily Journal preceded Jay’s ...

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chas9 said...

Tomorrow will be a great day in the life of a sports fan, but this evening is even better. Well, maybe not better, but tonight's opportunity to catch Big Blue Madness, with the best talent collection ever to hit the hardwood, is your best bet before tomorrow rolls around. The sold out event starts at 7:30, ESPN, must see TV.

Jay won't be watching, and I understand that, but even with the early departure bludgeoning, college ball is still more better than the Nobody Bothers Anymore league. There's more real drama and back stories. NBA drama feels as fake as wrasslin.

Meanwhile, The Cuonzo's is just happy to have a healthy team.

I have no problem with the new committee to select college football's four best teams, but how is selecting four instead of two gonna settle the argument over who gets chosen? Guess it's all about the dinero.

October 18, 2013 at 10:21 a.m.
Stewwie said...

[The game Harry Thornton mentioned when David Greene found Michael Johnson for Georgia's game-winning TD at Auburn in 2002.]

When I saw this play live on TV, I was surprised Johnson didn't get flagged for offensive interference.

[There's more real drama and back stories. NBA drama feels as fake as wrasslin.]

The shoulder that Pierce laid into Bron last night in a preseason game was anything but fake. 11 more days until opening tip. Giddy up.

October 18, 2013 at 12:10 p.m.
Walden said...

I just heard that the Washington Redskins have finally decided to change their name by removing the offensive, despicable, hated part of their name. Henceforth, they will now be known simply as The Redskins.

October 18, 2013 at 12:42 p.m.
BIspy4 said...

Lots to respond to today, 5.

You want not good times? Two words. Bucky ? Dent. And you know what the ? stands for.

I also give you David Tyree - though so little gets mentioned of how Eli somehow evaded getting sacked on that play.

Whisenhunt has no collegiate experience - I.e., recruiting - but he knows Tech's demands on student athletes. And I don't think the change to another offense would be as drastic as it appears. The A backs can be slot receivers or even turn into a tailback and all you really need to add is a fullback or tight end.

And they all still fit, 5.

October 18, 2013 at 12:47 p.m.
chas9 said...

Stew--I'll grant you that the pros are more physical. In fact, their athleticism is circus-like. I just can't relate. I was referring to the off court drama. I just don't care about any sob stories from guys making a gazillion dollars per annum. I admit that begs the question of how much the college phenoms are paid. I still cling to the amateurism myth, though it is getting harder.

And old Randy Smith predicts a final four spot for The Vols. I love Stokes, Maymon and McRae, but you still need five studs to compete. Not sold on the PG transfer.

October 18, 2013 at 1:14 p.m.
jgreeson said...

9er —

It's all about the dinero.

And the only difference with four is the congressional delegates from the state of the No. 5-ranked team will try to pass legislation to get more teams into the college football playoffs.

As for the fake, well, there may be a slew of teams in the league that are filled with guys that are just cashing checks and tossing up jumpers.

But how is that any different from us pretending that Randle or Wiggins or any of these other kids are doing anything at college after Christmas other than practicing and partying. Or that any of the UK freshmen have nothing but love for than former AAU teammates who play at Louisville and UT.

Stewwie —

Bulls-Heat; Nets-Heat; Thunder-Grizz; Lakers and everybody — there's actually some pretty good bad blood brewing in the league.

Walden —

You drop a line like that you have to remind folks to tip the wait staff.

Spy —

Fair point.

And while he does not have recruiting chops what he will have is playing time and a chance to tell kids he can get them to the show.

Also, the next coach at Tech will be riding the wave of the smart kid revolution — Northwestern, Vandy, Stanford, Notre Dame — where schools are leveraging a $250,000 diploma. (Yes, our Auburn education was pretty expensive, but that was because we stayed a couple extra years.)

October 18, 2013 at 1:18 p.m.
jgreeson said...

From friend of the show StuckinKent

9er- Per the Lexington Herald-Leader, it's on ESPNU joined in progress. Delayed broadcast on Fox Sports South at 11. Live here in the greater Lexington area starting at 7. We'll be watching.

October 18, 2013 at 1:19 p.m.
Todd962 said...

My absence can be accounted to work, preparations of making Lady Todd into Mrs. Todd, and more work. Growing up sucks but in another 40+ years I will be retired or dead and wont have to worry about work anymore.

Lovely news day we are having here. I enjoy how they like to top load the front page of the website with feel good stories to start the weekend. Between genital mutilation and fetus to-go bags I didn't think this day could get any worse, and then you went and answered your movie quote question....and totally redeemed the day. Good show sir. A beacon of hope in a screwed up world. I have found that most movie quotes have become so ingrained into my everyday dialogue that I have trouble distinguishing if it is something I am saying or just repeating from somewhere. Then I get lost in deep thoughts backtracking for origins and people wonder why I am staring off into space. Oh, the trials of having a hard candy shell for a skull that is filled with useless knowledge.

Cookie Monster....nom nom nom...Tagalongs get my vote. Is it just me or are the Girls Scouts skimping on the quantity of cookies over the last couple years? You get anything but Thin Mints and you are left baffled after unconsciously eating some to look down and find an empty tray and a twice bitten finger.

What is the Sunday morning comedown like when you go on a wild bender with Oreo's? I assume the ingestion method would have to be the same to assure the study was comparing apples to apples. Snorting cookies would wreck havoc on your sinuses but the drip would be quite enjoyable....people tell me these things.

(Insert obligatory sports comment here)

October 18, 2013 at 2:04 p.m.
jgreeson said...

Todd —

Golf clap sir.

And, since he's a regular, did we catch a 9er in there? Did you call from a walkie-talkie?

9er —

We concur that the Vols have nice parts — parts is parts — and will be better, but better will not be enough against the likes of UF and your Cats this year.

And did we see correct that Patric Young is still at Florida? He enrolled with Dwayne Schintzius for crying out loud.

October 18, 2013 at 2:10 p.m.
Stewwie said...

[Bulls-Heat; Nets-Heat; Thunder-Grizz; Lakers and everybody — there's actually some pretty good bad blood brewing in the league.]

True dat. Add in the Clippers, Knicks, and Pacers and we've got ourselves an interesting list of challengers.

October 18, 2013 at 2:35 p.m.
jgreeson said...

After going back through the SEC movie quote barrage, we counted, in order the following movie shoutouts. And we this in free flow form:

Few Good Men

Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid

Napoleon Dynamite

Raising Arizona





Bull Durham

Rocky III

Blazing Saddles

Animal House


Major League

So we have that going for us which is nice.

October 18, 2013 at 2:42 p.m.
GratefulDawg said...

Rushmore of gut-punch losses. Predictably, mine are all Georgia Football related. The 2012 SEC Championship Game. That one took several days to shake off. Alabama makes the list again with the 1985 game between the hedges. With just over a minute left on the clock in the fourth quarter, the Dawgs blocked a punt and recovered in the endzone for our first lead of the night. The stadium went nuts, including yours truly who was taking in the action as a second-year junior at UGA. QB Mike Shula led the Tide down the field in the final minute for a touchdown. Bama won 20-16. The 1982 and 1983 Sugar Bowl games round out the Rushmore. Marino beat us with a late touchdown pass then a year later Todd "Taste of the Town" Blackledge beat us in the same fashion.

Nothing like reminiscing and ruminating on past defeats and heartbreaks to get the weekend started.

October 18, 2013 at 3:08 p.m.
chas9 said...

Yes, does seem that Young has been around a long time. They stick around longer at Florida than at UK. Truth to tell, though I love the Calipari Cats, the game was better when the stars strayed for three or four years. No doubt about it. Thanks for the info, Stuckey.

October 18, 2013 at 3:39 p.m.
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