published Wednesday, September 4th, 2013

The Decision

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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PlainTruth said...

Very presidential

September 4, 2013 at 12:18 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

This signifies Obama's second term is now officially over ... time for him to start pilfering toilet paper and ball point pens to supply his presidential library/choom gang retirement home.

September 4, 2013 at 12:31 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

The thing I cannot understand is those who criticize the man for speaking out against the use of chemical weapons, and now that he has decided to punt the decision to do something about it to Congress, he is now a "wuss" for not ordering the strikes.

Supposedly the most powerful “functionary” on the planet and he can’t even back up his threat to deal with a third rate failed state. He claimed he had the power and legal right to handle this situation and when push came to shove he scampers off to hid under his bed. Putin will take his milk money away from him when he shows up in Russia ... if he has the guts to actually show up in front of the real world leaders while they’re laughing their a&& off at him.

September 4, 2013 at 12:42 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

That Russian trip. May be a good time to call in sick.

September 4, 2013 at 12:46 a.m.
fairmon said...

He is so decisive! It appears he is saying firmly "I said maybe and that is my final word on the issue".

It is a two headed coin isn't it? We should be hoping it is. How bankrupt do we have to be to realize we are not funded adequately to police the world and rebuild countries after we destroy them.

September 4, 2013 at 3:07 a.m.
jesse said...

Could it be that Clay is becoming somewhat disillusioned w/Obama?

First thing of his I've seen even remotely critical !

September 4, 2013 at 5:39 a.m.
EaTn said...

Obama likes to play poker. Will the GOP grab this moment and turn down his request to attack Syria and make him a lame-duck president? Or will they fully support the President like patriots instead of like wimp weanies. Stay tuned.

September 4, 2013 at 7:42 a.m.
limric said...
September 4, 2013 at 7:44 a.m.
ibshame said...

"Jt6gR3hM said... Supposedly the most powerful “functionary” on the planet and he can’t even back up his threat to deal with a third rate failed state. He claimed he had the power and legal right to handle this situation and when push came to shove he scampers off to hid under his bed. Putin will take his milk money away from him when he shows up in Russia ... if he has the guts to actually show up in front of the real world leaders while they’re laughing their a&& off at him."

Neo-con wannabes like you are a joke. You sit around and you critcize this President because he doesn't want to play cowboy like your idol Bush and his neo-con scumbags who used every low-down dirty trick in the book to send this country to war by attacking a country that had zilch to do with 9/11, did not have any WMD's and in the end because of his half-baked lies and schemes damn near wrecked the economy of this country because it was a war he couldn't pay for. You want to know who laughed their azzes off at Bush?- the Chinese who owned his azz and this country because he hocked it all to them. And what did the U.S. get in return for Bush and his neo-con scumbags' folly? Over 4000 soldiers returning home in body bags, thousands more maimed for life and hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians killed. Not to mention he became the poster boy for recruitment for AlQaeda. There's nothing I have any use for less than a statement from a neo-con or a neo-con wannabe who is really just plain too dumb to know crap from shinola.

Some teabagger asked yesterday if I thought Obama was a war criminal if he attacked Syria, the answer is this: If he is relying on faulty intelligence from a criminal (as Bush and his neo-con scumbags did) along with swiss cheese intelligence from the CIA and he attacks based on that then the answer is YES, he would be just as guilty of a criminal act as that scumbag Bush. He better be damn sure Asad has used chemical weapons on his people before he sends anything over there. Because one thing is for sure the teabaggers in Congress won't give him the same pass they gave Bush and his neo-con scumbag cronies.

Like I've said before neo-cons never met a war they didn't like even though for the most part none of them ever put on a uniform and fought in one. As for Putin, Tudumb, the neo-con wannabe, only someone like you and the rest of the right wing nutjobs think President Obama is somehow afraid of him and what he might do. What's funny is watching you talk about guts when Bush was the most gutless President this country has ever had occupying the White House.

September 4, 2013 at 7:52 a.m.
conservative said...

Maybe he has given up on the dart board.

September 4, 2013 at 8 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

LibbyShame loves to use the word "neo-con". (sic)

September 4, 2013 at 8:31 a.m.
ibshame said...

"PlainTruth said... LibbyShame loves to use the word "neo-con". (sic"

If the shoe fits, wear it.

September 4, 2013 at 8:32 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

clever, you narrow minded, tunnel visioned, mope.

September 4, 2013 at 8:42 a.m.
jesse said...

likes "scumbag" a lot too!!

September 4, 2013 at 8:44 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

neocon & scumbag = anyone with opposing view

September 4, 2013 at 8:57 a.m.
jesse said...

She is having so much fun this morn. bout convinced me to make a run to the liker store!Seems to have gotten an early start today tho!OR never stopped from last night!!!!

September 4, 2013 at 9 a.m.
caddy said...

This does not fit any of the basics of "just war" doctrines.

Syria is killing their people. Let's step in an kill their people in order to keep them from killing their people. Got it ?

September 4, 2013 at 9:11 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

“I think the Democrats are going to be forced to sacrifice men and women who really, really don’t want to vote for this. They’re going to have to vote for it to save the president’s hide. That’s a bad position to put your party in.” -Chris Matthews aka Mr. Tingle-Leg Democrat deluxe

September 4, 2013 at 9:13 a.m.
ibshame said...

President Obama can do as President Clinton did in Rwanda: sit back, do nothing and watch hundreds of innocent men, women and children get killed by their own government. As Ikeithlu's article pointed out the U.S. has turned their heads before on Chemical attacks. In fact, during the Reagan Administration it was actually RESPONSIBLE FOR PROVIDING THE MATERIALS (TO IRAQ) TO MAKE CHEMICAL WEAPONS.

September 4, 2013 at 9:42 a.m.
alprova said...

The comments coming from the right are simply hilarious.

All was okay when GWB wanted to go into Iraq for the same reasons attacking Syria is being contemplated today.

The intelligence is sound. There is no doubt. The one thing different today is that Barack Obama is leading the charge.

GWB could do no wrong, but BHS can do no right.

What really gives THIS time?

That red line that has all of you folks upset was not set by the President. The collective world set that line many years ago.

For five years I have seen some of you whine that the man does everything he does without the approval of Congress. This time, he is making every attempt to allow them to be part of the decision.

Quite frankly, I'm surprised that none of you has offered that all this is a diversion because ObamaCare is about to be launched.

Keep launching your rockets of dissension. Nothing you write matters anyway. He's the man in charge, he will come out a winner no matter how this all plays out, and nothing is going to change that for another three and a quarter years.

September 4, 2013 at 9:54 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Alpy says "That red line that has all of you folks upset was not set by the President. The collective world set that line many years ago." are you seriously that stupid, alpy? Your man set it twice about a year ago....talk about revisionist history. Is there no limit to the lying you will do on behalf of the Organizer?

September 4, 2013 at 10:22 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Barry's latest. All you acolytes need to read and absorb. It's downright laughable. "First of all, I didn't set a red line," said Obama. "The world set a red line. The world set a red line when governments representing 98 percent of the world's population said the use of chemical weapons are [inaudble] and passed a treaty forbidding their use, even when countries are engaged in war. Congress set a red line when it ratified that treaty. Congress set a red line when it indicated that in a piece of legislation entitled the Syria Accountability Act that some of the horrendous things happening on the ground there need to be answered for. So, when I said in a press conference that my calculus about what's happening in Syria would be altered by the use of chemical weapons, which the overwhelming consensus of humanity says is wrong, that wasn't something I just kind of made up. I didn't pluck it out of thin air. There's a reason for it." How can his advisors allow him to say such shiz?

September 4, 2013 at 10:26 a.m.
alprova said...

Why thank you Jack. You proved my point quite nicely, even after calling me stupid.

September 4, 2013 at 11:07 a.m.
limric said...

The rational for bombing Syria makes Scientology seem downright levelheaded.

Maybe it is drugs after all.

Click on the link. It opens in a new window. It's worth it.

September 4, 2013 at 11:25 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

The question still remains, Alpy. Is there no limit to your apologizing for the anointed one? No red line!! I never said it! You guys gonna believe me or that lying video? bwahahahha

September 4, 2013 at 11:45 a.m.
limric said...

"The intelligence is sound". No it’s not!

"There is no doubt". There is nothing BUT doubt!

"GWB could do no wrong", GWB did everything wrong.

"but BHS can do no right." BHS is following directly in GWB’s footsteps.

The one thing different today is that Barack Obama is leading the charge. That’s a cop out. Two wrongs DO NOT make a right.

September 4, 2013 at 12:21 p.m.
tifosi said...

PlainTruth said... "clever, you narrow minded, tunnel visioned, mope."

Good boy... sit. Here's your treat.

September 4, 2013 at 12:36 p.m.
limric said...

Oh, I forgot,

”That red line that has all of you folks upset was not set by the President.” Yes it was!

Quote: "We have been very clear to the Assad regime, but also to other players on the ground, that a red line for US is we start seeing a whole bunch of chemical weapons moving around or being utilized. That would change my calculus. That would change my equation."

Seems pretty clear to me - the RED line I mean.

September 4, 2013 at 1:07 p.m.
AndrewLohr said...

Give the President credit when he deserves it. He's asking Congress to do what the constitution says Congress can do. But if--iff--Assad used chemical weapons to kill people, why isn't our aim to execute Assad, as President Bush targeted Saddam Hussein? (And if the rebels have chemicals, why aren't we considering shooting at them?)

In Egypt, Morsi was worse than Mubarak; jury still out on the current regime. In Libya, a bad but tamed regime was replaced by a weak one that let terrorists murder Americans on Libyan soil. Afghanistan and Iraq are maybe a little less bad on the whole than before our invasions, but is the improvement worth the blood and treasure we've spent trying to fix those countries? Are they fixed now?

So what confidence can we have that we can improve Syria?

MAYbe if we insist on a human rights regime, one that practices the US Bill of Rights or something close to it, as a condition of our support for anyone in Syria seeking our support? Declaration of Independence: governments exist to protect the rights of the governed. Bible: governments should terrorize evildoers so doers of good can live in peace (Romans 12-13, I Timothy 2).

And since there's not much sign of any such firm clear policy (it's OK for Assad and his opponents to kill tens of thousands of each other as long as they don't use chemical weapons [doesn't it take chemicals to shoot bullets?]), and it's OK to burn church buildings, I tend to prefer not to intervene. (If we do, should we take the money for it out of O'Romneycare?)

September 4, 2013 at 1:22 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Worth repeating, Andrew. I'll post it as Alpy, Tiffy, and Libby probably can't open the link.

I want Congress to authorize something I don’t believe they need to authorize, and which I reserve the right to do anyway whether or not they authorize it, in order that I might defend the credibility of a red line I didn’t actually draw, so that I may take decisive action that will not in any way affect the momentum of the Syrian civil war or, if it accidentally does, al-Qaeda will the stronger for it, in order that I might have a chance to do what I have spent a decade yelling about other people doing. briliiant

September 4, 2013 at 2:06 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

"President Obama never laid down any red line on Syria. He's just the victim of a vast transcript-and-videotape conspiracy..."

September 4, 2013 at 2:12 p.m.
soakya said...

Well put plain truth. I said it before and I'll say it again. This is what you get when you elect a man whose greatest accomplishment is being a community organizer. He went beyond his level of competency after being a community organizer.

September 4, 2013 at 2:15 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

yep

September 4, 2013 at 2:21 p.m.
alprova said...

Who cares what a bunch of nobodies thinks? 'cause that's what each and every one of you are. How can any one of you set yourself on a pedestal that even comes close to being the President of the United States.

Do you really think that sitting there behind your computers every day writing this and that about the man, makes an iota of difference to anyone but yourselves?

Syria and what took place there is not your problem to deal with.

You will not be asked for your opinion by any politician. They will vote the way they want to vote.

The Prez is the man in charge. He's going to make the command decision when the time comes.

And since he'll never run for political office ever again, I seriously doubt that he gives a damn what anyone thinks.

So keep posting away, for all it amounts to is akin to the yipping by a pack of Chihuahuas that is never heard or ever felt in Washington.

September 4, 2013 at 3:09 p.m.
alprova said...

The sentence is not all that brilliant when you reread it.

..."I Want Congress to authorize something I don't believe they need to authorize..."

Huh?

..."and which I reserve the right to do anyway whether or not they authorize it..."

What right is this person reserving?

..."in order that I might defend the credibility of a red line I didn’t actually draw"

That red line was drawn many, many years ago by leaders of nations. Peons were not consulted, but they are supposed to be protected by that red line.

..."so that I may take decisive action..."

Okay then, pack your bags, load up your weapons, hop a plane, and join the struggle for freedom.

..."al-Qaeda will the stronger for it"...

Such a statement would ignorantly suggest that it is al-Queda that is fighting the Syrian Government, which is ludicrous. It is a majority of people that are tired of being ruled by a very oppressive minority.

The statement is rather stupid, written by someone who must have failed to learn how to construct a meaningful sentence, but it seems to make perfect sense to a couple of people in here, which is understandable, as they routinely write the same crap.

September 4, 2013 at 3:29 p.m.
jesse said...

Yipping??? Now i understand why your called "ALPO"!!

More pekinese than Chihuahua tho!

September 4, 2013 at 3:34 p.m.
tifosi said...

soakya said... "This is what you get when you elect a man whose greatest accomplishment is being a community organizer. He went beyond his level of competency after being a community organizer."

No. This is what you get when the GOP can't put up someone capable of winning an election. Thus, you sound like a sore loser.

September 4, 2013 at 3:35 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said ...

I think he had a stroke of genius in the last 24 hours myself.

I don't know about Obama having a stroke but there is a long list of LWNJ congressmen running for election or reelection in 2014 that are definitely stroking out.

September 4, 2013 at 3:43 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Alpo: Now more than ever, I'm convinced you're crazier than a shiiz-house owl.

September 4, 2013 at 3:47 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

tifosi said...

soakya said... "This is what you get when you elect a man whose greatest accomplishment is being a community organizer. He went beyond his level of competency after being a community organizer."

No. This is what you get when the GOP can't put up someone capable of winning an election.

So you're not denying that Obama is an incompetent boob and a coward but that we are stuck with him due to the Republicans and not the delusional voters?

September 4, 2013 at 3:53 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

By punting this issue to Congress, the American people are going to see who is soft on genocide.

I think the voters have seen without a doubt who went “soft”.

September 4, 2013 at 3:56 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

My personal gains are not why I support the President. He has had little, if anything, to do with them. My own efforts and my own seed money have grown a business.

You didn’t build that!

I support the President because he is not from typical political stock, thrown into a pot and boiled for hours to produce the perfect politician.

What do you think his holiness The Rev. Jeremiah Wright was cooking over the "G.D. America Memorial Bonfire" at Trinity United Church of Christ?

Whether or not he has been able to do the things he has wanted to do as President, he does care about people that most politicians consider throwaways, and he cares not a whit how others feel about it.

If you’re real quiet when he walks by you can hear the milk of human kindness sloshing around inside him.

September 4, 2013 at 3:59 p.m.
tifosi said...

Jt6gR3hM said..."So you're not denying that Obama is an incompetent boob and a coward but that we are stuck with him due to the Republicans and not the delusional voters?"

Less of an incompetent boob than what you losers put up. Need a crying towel??? All I can hear is whining and sobbing from you.

September 4, 2013 at 4:04 p.m.
limric said...

Just when you didn’t think it could get any weirder/worse:

Secretary of State John Kerry said at Wednesday’s hearing that Arab counties have offered to pay for the entirety of unseating President Bashar al-Assad if the United States took the lead militarily.

“With respect to Arab countries offering to bear costs and to assess, the answer is profoundly yes,” Kerry said. “They have. That offer is on the table.”

Asked by Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-Fla.) about how much those countries would contribute, Kerry said they have offered to pay for all of a full invasion.

Alprova: ”And since he'll never run for political office ever again, I seriously doubt that he gives a damn what anyone thinks.” And in that Alprova, I think you’re right.

September 4, 2013 at 4:17 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

^^^^^^^ less than a ringing endorsement, Tiffy

September 4, 2013 at 4:20 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said ...

I support President Obama because he represents many of the ideals that I hold near and dear. Fairness, compassion, authentic family values, patriotism, compromise and love of country that are not slogans or political hot air.

And God is on his side ... Right?

I support him because he is a realist. He understands that dealing with the complex issues facing this country is much more difficult and harder to solve than listening to a Toby Keith song.

You’re right as it is definitely listening to Jay-Z’s hit single ... “I See Zimmerman man Killing Our Babies”!”

I support him because he has faced constant, unrelenting, mean-spirited, dishonest criticism since before he took office and every day since. He has been called a socialist, communist, Nazi, Marxist, traitor, foreign, un-American, liar, Barack the magic negro, halfrican and worse. He has suffered innumerable lies about his ideology, religion, family and even his place of birth. No other president in the history of this country has faced such unfounded open hostility and disrespect. No other president has ever been called a liar by a member of congress during a State of the Union.

A man with skin so thin you can actually see that he has no guts.

I support him because he has faced this unrelenting bitterness and undeserved hate with grace and honor, compassion and humility. His speeches still have the power to inspire and move me like no other politician.

Are you saying that “IT” moved?

I support the President because he has aged 10 years in 5 because the job he faces every day has pressures and stress that his critics will never come close to comprehending.

Yeah, like that is a unique occurrence.

September 4, 2013 at 4:39 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

You can dish it out, but you can't take it.

I would guess you are very good at “taking it”.

September 4, 2013 at 4:42 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

eym_sirius said...

they're all a part of an ugly, shameful racist undercurrent ... secession-talk! ... call for "states' rights" ... a movement to recreate the civil war ... reject and oppose our President solely on the basis of his color ... they think that only white people are fit to occupy the White House ... spite and vindictiveness that come from the absolute evil of racism.

Sitting at the feet of you messiah while you rock back and forth, rubbing the race card as if it was your official fleabagger rosary beads.

September 4, 2013 at 4:44 p.m.
tifosi said...

alprova said... You can dish it out, but you can't take it.

No they can't. I guess that is what sore losers do. Can't support America's decision, but instead shrink to being a hyena.

September 4, 2013 at 5:09 p.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said...

The Prez is the man in charge. He's going to make the command decision when the time comes.

And since he'll never run for political office ever again, I seriously doubt that he gives a damn what anyone thinks.

alprova....You occasionally inadvertently hit on a truism. The man has never given a twit about anyone other than himself. He no longer has to pretend he cares except to campaign for the party. His ego exceeds his heart in size many times over.

September 4, 2013 at 5:12 p.m.
fairmon said...

Some times things work out as they should. The kidnapper of three girls in Ohio and holding them as slaves for years and confessed has committed suicide. Someone will probably sue someone over it.

September 4, 2013 at 5:28 p.m.
rick1 said...

Al posted "The one thing different today is that Barack Obama is leading the charge."

If you call leading the charge by Obama at first making a decision that military action against Assad is a moral imperative and essential to U.S. security, and then when he saw the polling numbers were tanking he made a second decision to not make a decision but to wait for Congress to decide. That to you Al is the sign of a true leader taking charge!

Obama is an embarrassment to the office of the presidency and our country.

September 4, 2013 at 5:36 p.m.
degage said...

Al, you consider those of us that don't agree with your god Obama nobodies? I take offense to that.I am an American citizen and consider myself someone of importance as every citizen should be considered. Just because you and Obama don't appreciate my opposition doesn't make me a nobody. He and you just think he is somebody, I think he is no better than the rest of us.

September 4, 2013 at 5:45 p.m.
rick1 said...

Here are some more examples of Obama leading the charge:

Obama’s abrupt decision on Saturday to delay the strikes that seemed just hours away is being seen in the region as the latest confirmation of an incoherent U.S. approach of mixed messages and unfulfilled threats that have driven America’s standing to a new low.

“Washington doesn’t understand the Middle East. His (Obama’s) image here is of someone who is afraid of getting enmeshed in the machinations of the Middle East,” said Maher Abu-Teyr, a political columnist with Ad-Dustour, a semi-official Jordanian daily newspaper. “There is no trust in Washington in the area because (people) think Obama is weak.” He cited a “constant change in rhetoric and hesitation” by the United States since the brutal conflict erupted in Syria in mid-2011. Among other missteps, he said, was the U.S. reluctance to take action early in the conflict that might have bolstered moderate rebel factions before the rise of al Qaida-linked groups, which now dominate the opposition.

“Obama should have moved in the first six months of the Syria crisis, not now,” said Abu-Teyr. “Now, all of his choices are very difficult because he took all of this time.”

Obama has shifted several times since the August 2012 “red line” he first set against Syrian President Bashar Assad’s use of chemical weapons. After cautioning Assad against even moving a “whole bunch of chemical weapons around,” he didn’t enforce the warning when the regime allegedly was detected in December mixing components for the nerve gas sarin, or when in March the United States followed Britain and France in accusing Assad of having used chemical weapons “on a small scale.”

The United States repeatedly has demanded that Assad leave power. But it has failed to forge a viable alternative from the feud-riven opposition factions comprising the U.S.-constructed Syrian Opposition Coalition, which the United States and others have called the sole legitimate representative of Syria’s 20 million people.

Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/09/03/201123/many-in-middle-east-struggling.html#storylink=cpy

September 4, 2013 at 5:45 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

tifosi said...

I guess that is what sore losers do. Can't support America's decision, but instead shrink to being a hyena.

I’ve seen the polls and it is Obama’s self made box, he finds himself in, and the voters want no part of it.

September 4, 2013 at 5:52 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

limric said...

When I first read that I almost started Fracking!!

parthenogenesis ... right here in river city

September 4, 2013 at 5:54 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

tifosi said...

lkeithlu said... "People have been crying impeachment since the man was elected the first time. They need to put up or shut up."

Amen! Bunch of whiners with no case. If everything they claim is true, then the GOP sucks at pursuing an impeachment. I don't see any Tea Partiers stepping up to the plate and presenting their case. We do have a legal system to present any case you think you have.

Don't interrupt when your opponent is self-destructing.

BTW ... You actually do think that impeachment is conducted by the Judiciary ... don’t you?

September 4, 2013 at 5:58 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Ms Gage: You go girl.

September 4, 2013 at 6:25 p.m.
alprova said...

rick1 wrote: "If you call leading the charge by Obama at first making a decision that military action against Assad is a moral imperative and essential to U.S. security, and then when he saw the polling numbers were tanking he made a second decision to not make a decision but to wait for Congress to decide. That to you Al is the sign of a true leader taking charge!"

Hey, I coined it as a stroke of genius and I still stand by that statement. When he began to get resistance from the very party that supported the same action in Iraq, but for a different President, I'm sure he wanted the American people to see exactly what the real deal was all about.

"Obama is an embarrassment to the office of the presidency and our country"

Hey...you're entitled to your opinion, but it matters not a whit.

Barack Obama is the President of the United States, he has the backing of very many throughout the Middle East, as well as many of our key allies to go after that bastard, and I'll bet my right arm that before it is all over, Congress will give him their authorization to do it as well.

September 4, 2013 at 6:30 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

Okay then, pack your bags, load up your weapons, hop a plane, and join the struggle for freedom.

I think you have that backwards in that you are the only cheerleader for war that I see around here.

The statement is rather stupid, written by someone who must have failed to learn how to construct a meaningful sentence.

It is always “form over substance” with you ... Isn’t it?

September 4, 2013 at 6:40 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

"Obama threaten to take military action by conducting air strikes and said he did not need congressional approval."

And he is right as rain. Every President since Ronald Reagan has ordered military strikes around the world without Congressional approval or consultation.

Yeah, and the innocent Syrians that have been driven from their homes and are dying in desert refugee camps or can’t escape and are being slaughtered by the thousands in their homes are very happy Obama’s not using this humanitarian disaster as a political football.

His decision to consult Congressional Republicans, who have been hitting the airways to criticize his resolve to target any government that would dare use chemical weapons on their citizens, retrains the spotlight on each and every one of them, to pass the ball to them.

I don’t know ... that sure sounds like cowardice on Obama’s part after all that bold a$$ talk he engaged in.

September 4, 2013 at 6:42 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Alpy: Don't give your right arm. You'd be down to 50wpm.

September 4, 2013 at 6:44 p.m.
alprova said...

degage wrote: "Al, you consider those of us that don't agree with your god Obama nobodies?"

We're ALL nobodies. Nothing discussed in this forum is going to change the world, much less what transpires within this country.

"I take offense to that."

Be offended all you want, but it is the truth.

"I am an American citizen and consider myself someone of importance as every citizen should be considered."

I really hate to break it to you, but you're no better than one of those displaced Syrian citizens, trying to put their lives back together, fleeing from their war-torn nation.

You just happen to live in THIS nation at the moment.

You suffer from the same problem that many, if not most Americans suffer from. You're too wrapped up in your own life to give a crap about those who are not as fortunate as you are to live here.

And my dear, that is all pure luck. Not one American has done a damn thing to deserve to have been born here.

"Just because you and Obama don't appreciate my opposition doesn't make me a nobody. He and you just think he is somebody, I think he is no better than the rest of us."

I'm a nobody too. But despite all your opposition and those of others, none of it will ever affect the course of destiny.

President Obama can, has, and will continue to effect many things over the next three years.

Whether or not you consider yourself to be an equal to him does not matter. He's where he is by destiny and you are where you are by destiny.

What you believe affects very little people. What he believes can change the world.

September 4, 2013 at 6:45 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

It was important to go in Iraq when chemical weapons were suspected to have been used on inhabitants of that nation, but Syrians don't rate the same consideration.

Unbelievable.

It is truly unbelievable ... the Syrians do deserve the same consideration but it’s just their sad fate that Obama was reelected and especially the 100,000 he has already allowed to be murdered ... Right?

September 4, 2013 at 6:45 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

I get a secret thrill from depriving them of their money, which they willingly hand over to me, knowing that I support our current President.

So you're willing to prostitute yourself for a few shekels?

It's been very good for me to have such a man in the White House.

It’s always what personal material benefits you can sell your vote for ... isn’t it?

September 4, 2013 at 6:48 p.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "Alpy: Don't give your right arm. You'd be down to 50wpm."

I just got a new cell phone that has the capability to type as fast as I can talk, so I have a back up plan in motion, should I lose my right arm.

September 4, 2013 at 6:50 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

And despite all the detractors and distractions, Barack Obama will forever be known as a two-term President of the United States.

Well now that does put him in exclusive company i.e. George W.Bush.

This nation was in the toilet when he first walked into the Oval Office

And he quickly found the little chrome handle that he has been pushing down ever since.

Sir, there are two classes of people I have witnessed referring to the man that way. They either have nothing to their name or they are well off. They are always lily white. The worst of the worst are drawing disability or retirement benefits from the Government.

I see what you mean ... Lilly White poor people that have debilitating illnesses and/or too old to work any more should be reviled for having viewpoints that differ from the state’s or your ideology.

Not once have I met a black, Hispanic, or Asian person who refers to the President that way. Not once.

Maybe it is because they don’t know about your self-hatred and are afraid to expose their race hatred. If you told them how much you hate Whitey they would open up to you.

September 4, 2013 at 6:51 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

Moving weapons into place and using them are two very distinctively different actions.

That is true but according to Obama either one would violate his “self declared red line”.

"We have been very clear to the Assad regime, but also to other players on the ground, that a red line for US is we start seeing a whole bunch of chemical weapons moving around or being utilized. That would change my calculus. That would change my equation." - Obama

September 4, 2013 at 7:01 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Just when I think Alpy has maxed out on BS, he surpasses my expectations.

September 4, 2013 at 7:07 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

Folks, no President can "do" anything without a cooperative Congress

I thought you had spent the last few days repeating over and over how all other presidents went it alone without help or approval from Congress. But now not so much and that is the reason for Obama “crawfishing” on his big bold talk about Syria.

Mitch McConnell may be the first one to go. The polls don't have him looking so good at the moment. 51 percent of Kentuckians say it's time for him to retire.

And of course that 51% is completely composed of voters that will vote for a LWNJ over a Republican. Of course there are no conservative voters in that number that want a more conservative Republican challenger. And of course they will all vote for a liberal in the general election if McConnell prevailed in the primary... Right?

Nationally, only 36 percent give him a thumbs up for job approval.

As If

September 4, 2013 at 7:14 p.m.
rick1 said...

Al, posted "I really hate to break it to you, but you're no better than one of those displaced Syrian citizens, trying to put their lives back together, fleeing from their war-torn nation."

But Obama obviously thought he was better then the Iraqi citizens who were just trying to survive from a mass murder, and said Bush was wrong for going into Iraq.

Lets compare Iraq's Hussein to Syria's Assad shall we Al:

Hussen killed 5,000 civilians with poison gas in a single day and thousands with chemical weapons. We have been told by the Whitehouse that Assad has attack his people with WMD's but we have not been provided any evidence to support this.

Hussen was known to torture his own people, conduct executions, rapes, burnings and electric shocks, and a lot of this occurred in front of the victim's wife or children. No evidence of Assad doing this.

Hussen paid bounties to the families of suicide bombers in other countries. No evidence of Assad doing this.

Hussen gave shelter to Abdul Rahman Yasin, a conspirator in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing.

Hussen attempted to assassinate former president George H.W. Bush. All Assad did was have dinner with Keery and his wife in 2009. Assad probably wanted to commit suicide after that social event.

So, Al, please tell me why Obama is right for wanting to strike Syria, after he said Bush was wrong to go into Iraq?

September 4, 2013 at 7:14 p.m.
whatsthefuss said...

Just when I think our holiness, BHO says the dumbest thing ever, he wakes up today and outdoes himself. More Me, My and I!!! You would think he was an opera singer warming up. Not someone representing the people of The United States of America.

Meeee, ME, ME, ME, ME, ME, ME,

Clay forgot to tell us the coin the poor misunderstood Oblamama has tossed in the air is a double headed coin and we hear the "GREATEST" mumbling, "Another Nobel Peace Prize Mo Fo! I Deserve It"

September 4, 2013 at 7:27 p.m.
tifosi said...

Jt6gR3hM said...

"BTW ... You actually do think that impeachment is conducted by the Judiciary ... don’t you?"

No. It starts with someone having the balls to make a case. No one yet.

September 4, 2013 at 7:33 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

But I thought being conservative was all about having balls...

September 4, 2013 at 7:44 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

lkeithlu said...

But I thought being conservative was all about having balls...

So that is why Obama is in his little box ... Right?

September 4, 2013 at 7:46 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

Everything that is happening in the world, according to some folk, is the fault of one man.

True that he isn’t at fault for everything that happens in the world ... It’s only that he stands ready with the accelerant when bad things happen.

September 4, 2013 at 7:48 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

lkeithlu said...

We (as in the Allies) created the situation in the middle east where we alternately support and oppose various groups and leaders.

We created this in ignorance of the complex tribal societies that existed there prior to WWI and we make our decisions based on what is convenient or advantageous to us at the time. Syria, like Iraq, had no business being a country and will self destruct no matter what happens, and we'll shoulder all the blame no matter what actions we take or fail to take.

That’s right ... Lawrence of Arabia was on T.V. recently ... wasn’t it?

September 4, 2013 at 7:49 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

Every President since Carter has moved to arm rebels engaged around the world, they have ordered military strikes without Congressional approval, and they have all been vocal in their opposition about tyrannical leaders, but Obama is doing it all wrong?

And everyone, except Obama was smart enough to not make threats of military force that he carried right to implementation and then cowardly surrender in the face of his lack of leadership.

It's now in the hands of Congress. They want it...they've got it.

It’s a quagmire that Obama created on his own and the Congress, if they are smart, should wash their hands it and let it take down the rightful owner.

September 4, 2013 at 7:51 p.m.
tifosi said...

Seems like the GOP is going backwards.

"Do you approve or disapprove of the job Republicans in Congress are doing?"

http://www.pollingreport.com/cong_rep.htm

But hey! Look at the upside. At least they are consistent. :)

September 4, 2013 at 8:11 p.m.
degage said...

Ike,We were in Carabelle today looking at property. Have you met Robin Hilton? She and her husband have done alot of traveling on their boat. She writes for the paper and sells real estate thru Jeff Gallaway. Look her up, She has a lot of wisdom about boating.

September 4, 2013 at 8:18 p.m.
tifosi said...

And it turns out that it was Republicans who asked the IRS to look at the tax-exempt status of Tea Party groups.

Seven Republican members of Congress filed complaints with the IRS in 2010, claiming Tea Party groups engaged in partisan electioneering, leading to an IRS probe, according to agency documents released under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA). The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) launched an examination of the Tea Party on Oct. 8, 2010, claiming a speech by a Tea Party leader made during the organization's annual convention that criticized President Barack Obama's education and foreign policies crossed the line from issue advocacy to partisan electioneering. [...]

The documents include letters sent from members of Congress on behalf of their constituents, including Sens. Lamar Alexander (R-TN) and Susan Collins (R-ME), Rep. Jo Ann Davis (R-VA), the late Senator Strom Thurmond (R-SC), and former Reps. Larry Combest (R-TX), Joe Scarborough (R-FL) and Robert Ehrlich (R-MD).

September 4, 2013 at 8:25 p.m.
tifosi said...

Oh, the irony!!!

Two House Republicans have cast votes as members of the 112th Congress, but were not sworn in on Wednesday, a violation of the Constitution on the same day that the GOP had the document read from the podium.

The Republicans, incumbent Pete Sessions of Texas and freshman Mike Fitzpatrick, missed the swearing in, but watched it on television from the Capitol Visitors Center.

"That wasn't planned. It just worked out that way," said Fitzpatrick at the time, according to local press on hand, which noted that he "happened to be introducing Texas Congressman Pete Sessions while glad-handing his supporters in the Capitol Visitor Center that he secured for them when the House swearing in began."

The Republicans are looking to get unanimous consent to have their subsequent swearings-in applied retroactively. If they are not able, Sessions and Fitzpatrick's votes will be stripped from the final counts. All in all, not a game changer on the votes, but does show you exactly how much respect for the Constitution the GOP really has.

September 4, 2013 at 8:29 p.m.
tifosi said...

Oh the horror. Another GOP member blunders... stupidly.

Republican NY Assemblyman Steve Katz has talked tough about the war on drugs. He voted against medical marijuana legalization just last summer. But remember, he is a Republican. So is it any surprise he was busted for speeding, and after the officer noticed a distinctive odor emanating from the car, possession of marijuana? Ooops.

State police said that a suspicious odor was noticed in Assemblyman Steve Katz’s vehicle when they pulled him over for driving around 80 mph in a 75 mph zone at around 10 a.m. Thursday morning.

“After noting the odor of marijuana, a New York State Trooper found Katz in possession of a small bag of marijuana,” a statement from state police said, according to the Times Union.

I'm sure he's got a good excuse to deprive ill and terminal patients the small comforts that he does not deny himself, right?

September 4, 2013 at 8:33 p.m.

Tribalists, like nationalists, are, by nature, incapable of “learning their lesson” from outsiders. The Middle East’s tribal religion must be displaced by a non-tribal religion. America’s religiously illiterate policies will prove very costly once again. Never before have we faced a greater need to support indigenous Christians and Christian missionaries in that region of the world.

September 4, 2013 at 8:39 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

degage, you should have looked me up!!! Are you still around?

That’s right ... Lawrence of Arabia was on T.V. recently ... wasn’t it?

What does that have to do with my comment, Jt? I don't watch TV.

September 4, 2013 at 8:41 p.m.
tifosi said...

Is the modern Republican Party really “the party of Lincoln,” and responsible for freeing the slaves? I don’t think so. But the GOP regularly, routinely, and with a straight face makes that claim. One Republican recently confronted me and stated the following:

“It was Republicans who beat Democrats in the Civil War, thus freeing the slaves. It was Democrats who started the KKK as its military wing to intimidate the (largely black) Republican party who were running the south after the war. Can a leopard change its spots?? Are the Democrats now the party FOR the black people after being against them for so long? So many of you are duped by the Devil’s trickery. a few table scraps from massa’s table and you run right back to his side. The Democrat is the racist.”

The above assertion is a prime example of how many Republicans can take a kernel of truth and create a banquet of lies. The truth is, Abraham Lincoln was a Republican, and so was Frederick Douglass and Dr. Martin Luther King. But since the Civil War the Republican and Democratic parties have completely changed their relative political positions, so relative to political philosophy, the modern Republican party bears absolutely no relationship to its predecessor.

September 4, 2013 at 8:45 p.m.
degage said...

Ike, WE are headed back to the mountains in the morning. Trying to sell our place up their to get back to the water. We will be back soon. Will let you know. How long are you going to be there?

September 4, 2013 at 8:49 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

I live here! (Carrabelle)

Dang, you used to be able to send personal messages on this site.

September 4, 2013 at 8:54 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Word leaked that the operation in Syria will be code named "Forget Benghazi"

September 4, 2013 at 10:35 p.m.
fairmon said...

alprova, I will say this as tactfully as I can. OBAMA IS A WORTHLESS WUSS. He blames somebody else for unpopular things, once this past summer he blamed the employment numbers of "bad luck".

September 4, 2013 at 10:38 p.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon, you're entitled to your opinions just like anyone else.

Opinions are not fact. In fact, they are quite often worthless to anyone but the person who expresses them.

I don't expect that anything I type will change the mind of anyone who reads it.

Your opinion will never change mine.

I like the man and believe that he's doing a fine job as President.

The comment you are referring to was made in August of 2011, during his campaign bus tour.

"We had reversed the recession, avoided a depression, gotten the economy moving again. But over the last six months we’ve had a run of bad luck. The Arab Spring uprisings, the tsunami in Japan, and the European debt crises, all of which set the economy back."

"All those things have been headwinds for our economy. Now, those are things that we can’t completely control. The question is how do we manage these challenging times and do the right things when it comes to those things that we can control?"

"The problem is that we’ve got the kind of partisan brinksmanship that is willing to put party ahead of country that is more interested in seeing their political opponents lose than seeing the country win. Nowhere was that more evident than in this recent debt ceiling debacle."

The man was, and continues to be correct. The Republicans are determined to do anything at all, including doing nothing at all, if it would in any way could be blamed on the President.

So...it really doesn't bother me for you or anyone else to sit there and to call him names. He is still the President, he is going to continue to do his job, despite any and all obstacles, and history will always be kind to the man.

Do you know how it is that I know all of this?

About this time in HIS presidency, Bill Clinton was literally facing the prospect of impeachment.

Now the man is more popular than ever.

The more people dog someone, the more that kind of crap backfires in one's face.

I hope you are a Hillary fan.

September 4, 2013 at 11:40 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Yes, Hillary has a big resume, but no accomplishments. Will that matter?

September 4, 2013 at 11:49 p.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "Yes, Hillary has a big resume, but no accomplishments. Will that matter?"

According to the polls....no.

September 5, 2013 at 12:28 a.m.
GlacierClipper said...

Well Obama and Kerry along with Biden and Hillary Clinton, seems to be all stars for a TV Sitcom entitled "White House Wrecking Crew".

September 5, 2013 at 3:34 a.m.
Maximus said...

I'm baaaaaack. Had a great trip to Russia spreading the Gospel and assisting with the building of a beautiful church. I find it funny that Barry The Welfare Pimp issued his "I did not draw a red line" comment yesterday regarding Syrias use of biologic/poison gas, after meeting with his Gangster Chicago Community Organizer machine advisor David Axelrod. Axelrod, yes the guy whose Mother was a known communist and yes Axelrod with the horrible mustach and comb over is crafting our foreign policy and assisting the first liar with his lies. Folks, Obama did draw the red line and make the comment. The only problem, Obama has a YELLOW line down his back. I DO THINK IT WOULD BE COOL TO BOMB THE CRAP OUT OF ASSAD AND SYRIA ON 9/11!!!! FROM THE DEBATE, IT LOOKS LIKE IT IS MOVING TOWARD THAT DATE. A 9/11 UNITED STATES BOMBING OF AN ISLAMIC THUG ON 9/11.......OUTSTANDING!!!

September 5, 2013 at 8:28 a.m.
soakya said...

Plain truth, unfortunately it won't matter. The last 2 elections prove a person can be elected president not only without accomplishment but you can be a total failure. That is what Hillary and this president are, total failures.

September 5, 2013 at 8:51 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

soakya: maybe so. but a funny thing happened to her on the way to the WH last time.

September 5, 2013 at 8:57 a.m.
soakya said...

True, the democratic party found their messiah.

September 5, 2013 at 9:24 a.m.
alprova said...

Maximyth wrote: "I'm baaaaaack. Had a great trip to Russia spreading the Gospel and assisting with the building of a beautiful church."

Wow...you helped build a church in 12 days. The night before you "left," you claimed you were going to be gone for at least a month.

You simply cannot tell the truth, can you?

September 5, 2013 at 9:45 a.m.
tifosi said...

Maxiliar!!! Your back. Thought you, Putin and Snowden were having a love fest.

September 5, 2013 at 9:54 a.m.
ibshame said...

"soakya said... The last 2 elections prove a person can be elected president not only without accomplishment but you can be a total failure. That is what Hillary and this president are, total failures."

This from someone who more likely than not voted TWICE for the ultimate failure: George W. Bush. It's too bad it hasn't occured to the teabaggers and right wing nutjobs that if they want to win back the White House they need to stay out of people's bedrooms, stay out of women's bodies, stop trying to disenfranchise voters, and ACCEPT the fact they can no longer win an election by courting a "whites only" voting strategy. Of course they wouldn't be teabaggers and nut jobs if they did those things. Which is why should Hillary decide to run in 2016, they can watch her re-enter the White House with Bill on her arm in Jan. 2017.

Now where's the person who use to give us the number of days President Obama was suppose to have left until Romney beat him? I miss that countdown. HAHHAHAHAH

September 5, 2013 at 10:41 a.m.
jesse said...

I voted for Bush twice because of Al Gore and co. THEN i voted for Obama twice ! Ya know what ?Obama could give Bush LESSONS in ineptness,dumb and lyin!! I been hangin around on this planet for 73 years and have come to the conclusion that THEY ALL lie,cheat , steal and are generally LOWLIFES! Maybe instead of bombing Syria they could bomb D.C.!!!

September 5, 2013 at 12:08 p.m.
ibshame said...

"jesse said... I voted for Bush twice because of Al Gore and co."

Sorry to put a dent in your reasons for voting for an incompetent idiot like Bush but Al Gore only ran against him once and in fact actually beat him by over 500,000 popular votes but lost to him because dumbazzes in TN voted for Bush. People always seem to think it was the vote in Florida that cost Al Gore the election but it was not, instead it was dumbazzes in Tennessee who gifted the nation with George W. Bush the poster boy for lies, ineptitude and ignorance. Of course, he is the one his supporters wanted to have a beer with, now that's some kind of endorsement for an individual running for President. That's one of the reasons the intelligence of President Obama scares the crap out of some.

September 5, 2013 at 12:38 p.m.
jesse said...

Now your finding out Kerry is just as inept as Bush OR Obama!

BTW: Your sense of being of superior intellect is way off base!

Your posts on here indicate to me you could prob. hide your own Easter eggs!!

September 5, 2013 at 12:47 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

So Libby, nice to know who to thank in the Gore/Bush race.

September 5, 2013 at 12:48 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

jesse: Libby is clearly far too advanced to be chatting on a TN based forum.

September 5, 2013 at 12:56 p.m.
soakya said...

if at this point you think Obama is intelligent you are delusional and need an mental evaluation.

September 5, 2013 at 12:57 p.m.
jesse said...

Yeah P.T. Prob got a Phd. in Babysittin or maybe B B stacking!!

September 5, 2013 at 1:02 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

Some of you really need to get a grip on reality. I know that he's supposed to be Barack the magic Negro, but some of you expect the man to be super-human, gifted with ESP, and insight into all things around the world, not to mention this nation.

It is obvious to any thinking person that he has none of those capabilities. However even his supporters are are coming to the conclusion he doesn't even meet the minimum level of competence to be a small town mayor must less president.

BTW about the “Barack the magic Negro” term it comes from the Black community to identify a creation of white liberals such as yourself due to their guilt at being white oppressors.

“Like a comic-book superhero, Obama is there to help, out of the sheer goodness of a heart we need not know or understand. For as with all Magic Negroes, the less real he seems, the more desirable he becomes. If he were real, white America couldn't project all its fantasies of curative black benevolence on him.” - From the L.A. Times

"Give the man credit he didn't add this to the list of what he calls false scandals."

Oh...they weren't false? Who has been arrested or prosecuted? Several have been persecuted, but it's all died down without so much as one person within the White House being tainted by the accusations.

So your theory is that no scandal or crime has occurred until the perp’s have been arrested or prosecuted?

From the Washington Post - “The chief counsel’s office for the Internal Revenue Service, headed by a political appointee of President Obama, helped develop the agency’s problematic guidelines for reviewing “tea party” cases, according to a top IRS attorney.”

They have already captured an Obama political operative ... their getting closer and closer.

September 5, 2013 at 2:20 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Alpo the Magic White Man is the only one I ever hear refer to El Jefe as Barack the Magic Negro.

September 5, 2013 at 2:36 p.m.
jesse said...

Putin,right now , is in the process of kickin Obama's arz! Layin down the law and tellin him how it is and how it's gonna be!!

September 5, 2013 at 2:49 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said ...

Even if there were suspicions that all the intelligence across the world was pointing to a movement of weapons into strategic areas within Syria within three days of August the 21st, and even if it was known at the time, there is no way that anyone but those with their fingers on the trigger (a metaphor), could have been in any position to know they would be launched.

Obama included movement of chemical weapons into position for use as part of his declared red line that would result in action against Syria.

“We have been very clear to the Assad regime, but also to other players on the ground, that a red line for us is we start seeing a whole bunch of chemical weapons moving around or being utilized. That would change my calculus. That would change my equation.” - Obama

Are you people under some impression that the satellites in space are like real time, movie cameras with high definition capabilities?

Yes they are

Images taken from space have to be analyzed, studied, and contrasted to those taken days and weeks before, before any conclusions can be reached.

What? ... Are you still living in an era before digital photography and high speed computing analysis? For God’s sake you personally can connect to thousands if not millions of webcams around the world and watch activities in real time. Yet you think that billion dollar spy satellites still have to send their photos to the photomat to be developed.

September 5, 2013 at 2:50 p.m.
ibshame said...

"Jt6gR3hM said... It is obvious to any thinking person that he has none of those capabilities. However even his supporters are are coming to the conclusion he doesn't even meet the minimum level of competence to be a small town mayor must less president.

BTW about the “Barack the magic Negro” term it comes from the Black community to identify a creation of white liberals such as yourself due to their guilt at being white oppressors."

Once again you set yourself up for a show of just how ignorant some people can be. What do you think gives you ANY INSIGHT at all to what President Obama supporters think? Your pseudo analysis of the minds of President Obama's supporters is so far off to be laughable just like most of the garbage you post.

As for the origins of "Barack, the Magic Negro" once again you've shown your ignorance of the facts. The term "Magic Negro" was used to identify Blacks who weren't from the "hood" but it was the fat, greasy, slimball Rush Limbaugh who commissioned it to be used as a means of trashing then candidate Barack Obama and later used by Chip the chump Saltsman as head of the state Repub party in Tennessee during the 2008 campaign. Of course that little trick of his cost him the coveted spot of being RNC National Chair. LOL It couldn't have happened to a better slimeball. Next time you want to show off your psuedo knowledge of the facts, at least get them straight. Of course for someone like you with no credibility at all it really doesn't matter anyhow.

*"Barack the Magic Negro"[2] is a song by American political satirist Paul Shanklin who wrote and recorded it for the Rush Limbaugh Show as satire after the title phrase was first applied to presidential candidate Obama by movie and culture critic David Ehrenstein in a Los Angeles Times op ed column of March 19, 2007. It was played numerous times in 2007 and 2008 by Rush Limbaugh and appeared on the 2008 album We Hate the USA. It is sung by Shanklin to the tune of "Puff, the Magic Dragon". Shanklin impersonates black activist Al Sharpton, who regretfully sings that white people will vote for Barack Obama for President instead of Sharpton, because Obama is a magical Negro (a term previously popularized by Spike Lee[3]), not a real black man from the "hood".

Limbaugh was criticized and accused of racism for playing the song. The controversy was reignited in December 2008, when Chip Saltsman, a candidate for chairman of the Republican National Committee, sent out CDs containing the song to 168 other RNC members as a Christmas gift, hoping to bolster his 2009 campaign for RNC chair. The move backfired, Saltsman dropped his bid to head the RNC, and ultimately African American Republican Michael Steele won the chairmanship.*

September 5, 2013 at 2:50 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

ibshame said...

Because Abraham Lincoln had been a Republican (not the kind of Repub today though) ...

I know what you mean as his ultra 19th century views and racist attitudes would put him outside the mainstream of modern political thought and what is acceptable positions to support in modern U.S. politics. Just take his probable views on welfare, race relations, religion, gay issues and abortion as a few examples. He wouldn’t get more than .002% of the vote in Democrat party primary elections if he ran under a different name.

September 5, 2013 at 2:54 p.m.
ibshame said...

"jesse said... Now your finding out Kerry is just as inept as Bush OR Obama! BTW: Your sense of being of superior intellect is way off base! Your posts on here indicate to me you could prob. hide your own Easter eggs!!"

I don't have a sense of superior intellect, I simply despise ignorance, stupidity, racism, bigotry and religious fanatics who think because they claim this false sense of equilavency between Dems and Repubs this somehow makes them superior in their intellect.

As for Kerry's ineptitude, He could stand on a corner, butt naked with a feathered hat on his head and shout Syria has Chemical Weapons all day and night and he would still be more ept at his job than Bush the gutless wonder.

September 5, 2013 at 2:58 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

From ibshame’s post:

the title phrase was first applied to presidential candidate Obama by movie and culture critic David Ehrenstein in a Los Angeles Times op ed column of March 19, 2007.

black activist Al Sharpton, who regretfully sings that white people will vote for Barack Obama for President instead of Sharpton, because Obama is a magical Negro (a term previously popularized by Spike Lee[3]), not a real black man from the "hood".

The term "Magic Negro" was used to identify Blacks who weren't from the "hood"

Thank for posting further proof of my point.

September 5, 2013 at 3:05 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

tifosi said...

And it turns out that it was Republicans who asked the IRS to look at the tax-exempt status of Tea Party groups.

Really tifosi! ... When you’re going to gather a story from a LWNJ web site and try to post it as your own you really should read the whole article and research it for some level of truth. It prevents you from being punked and made a fool of.

http://crooksandliars.com/blue-texan/conservatives-defend-obama-wake-wiretap

September 5, 2013 at 3:09 p.m.
ibshame said...

"Jt6gR3hM said... I know what you mean as his ultra 19th century views and racist attitudes would put him outside the mainstream of modern political thought and what is acceptable positions to support in modern U.S. politics. Just take his probable views on welfare, race relations, religion, gay issues and abortion as a few examples. He wouldn’t get more than .002% of the vote in Democrat party primary elections if he ran under a different name."

You are clearly out of your league now. You want to go one on one with me about Lincoln's views on the slaves now? Is that what your little mind thinks you can do? I said exactly what I meant, The African Americans who were allowed to vote, voted primarily for Republicans because of the fact they viewed Lincoln as the GREAT EMANCIPATOR and those who wanted to punish the South for the War were by and large members of what were then known as Republicans, People like Thaddeus Stevens. The Freed slaves and other African Americans who voted primarily for Republicans did so out of a sense of LOYALTY because of what they viewed Lincoln had done for the slaves.

Unfortunately, none of them at the time realized Lincoln had made several speeches stating what he did for the "Negro he did to save the Union." He said if he could save the Union by freeing all the slaves he would do so and if he could save it by freeing some and not all he would do that as well but what he was doing he was doing because it saved the Union.

Unfortunately, the Emancipation Proclamation of 1863 didn't free a single slave in the South. What it did basically was to say if they could escape to the North, they could remain free without having to be returned to their owners as had been previously done. In fact in some places(Texas for example) even after Lee had surrendered they were still on the plantation and not freed until June 18, 1865 the date that is celebrated as Juneteenth day.

Next time you think you're capable of playing history trivial pursuit do it with someone who can't refute your BS. You're out of your league with me.

September 5, 2013 at 3:12 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

tifosi said...

Oh, the irony!!!

Two House Republicans have cast votes as members of the 112th Congress, but were not sworn in on Wednesday, a violation of the Constitution on the same day that the GOP had the document read from the podium.

Really! ... Again?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/06/two-house-republicans-vot_n_805423.html

They were in the capital building, repeated the oath at the same time and as other members did, and they had signed the legal swearing-in documents beforehand. If this is such a large issue to you I suggest you contact the appropriate federal official to have these members brought up on charges. It appears no one else gave it a second though.

September 5, 2013 at 3:17 p.m.
ibshame said...

"Jt6gR3hM said... BTW about the “Barack the magic Negro” term it comes from the Black community to identify a creation of white liberals such as yourself due to their guilt at being white oppressors."

"Jt6gR3hM said... the title phrase was first applied to presidential candidate Obama by movie and culture critic David Ehrenstein in a Los Angeles Times op ed column of March 19, 2007.

black activist Al Sharpton, who regretfully sings that white people will vote for Barack Obama for President instead of Sharpton, because Obama is a magical Negro (a term previously popularized by Spike Lee[3]), not a real black man from the "hood". The term "Magic Negro" was used to identify Blacks who weren't from the "hood" Thank for posting further proof of my point."

BTW the term Magic Negro WITHOUT THE WORD BARACK IN FRONT OF IT IS THE TERM USED TO DESCRIBE SOMEONE WHO IS NOT FROM THE HOOD. IF YOU WANTED TO BE CORRECT YOU WOULD HAVE WRITTEN IT THAT WAY INSTEAD OF YOUR IMPLICATION THAT THE WORD WAS CREATED IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY JUST TO DESCRIBE BARACK OBAMA WHEN THAT IS NOT TRUE.

You are still as dumb as ever but you keep spinning. LOL

September 5, 2013 at 3:22 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

jt. Perhaps Tiffy likes getting punked. You know, like some disturbed kids cut themselves on purpose. Like that.

September 5, 2013 at 4:09 p.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said...

So...it really doesn't bother me for you or anyone else to sit there and to call him names. He is still the President, he is going to continue to do his job, despite any and all obstacles, and history will always be kind to the man.

Do you know how it is that I know all of this?

alprova...it seems you at times attribute something in order to say something. I don't recall calling the president names, I either say the president or Obama. He probably deserves some of the names given him but I try to refrain from that. He could start doing his job, it is not possible to continue doing something that you haven't been doing.

al the magnificent says...How do I know all of this?

You don't. You can't know how history will treat him and no one will know until he is history. I predict he will be like Jimmy Carter and will be in history like Carter, nothing but more government cost. He will, like Carter, run all over the world as if he were a diplomat and be a pain in the neck to the president at the time. He should get involved in habitat for humanity and help build houses for deserving people...but, that is a lot like hard physical labor so that won't happen.

September 5, 2013 at 5:07 p.m.
Maximus said...

Ibsham I'm not sure about Barry's intelligence when he consults with thug boy Axelrod to craft his blame Syria on Congress I did not draw the red line comment. I did call Corker's office today and place a request that we send the cruise missiles to Syria at 12:01 AM on 9/11. We kill two birds with one stone,cripple or kill Assad while sending a clear message, you mess with the USA, it's citizens or it's property, you will be lit up.

Take Denver and 6 points tonight. And Alprova, I came back early from Russia in order to attend the UT vs. WKU game. I will be returning in two weeks to assist with another church project. It is so neat, the people of Russia, particularly the young people, are hungry for the Lord.

September 5, 2013 at 5:39 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Ibshame ruminates egotically...

You are clearly out of your league now. You want to go one on one with me about Lincoln's views on the slaves now? Is that what your little mind thinks you can do?

Next time you think you're capable of playing history trivial pursuit do it with someone who can't refute your BS. You're out of your league with me.

OOOOWW I‘m scared now!!

Not really as your post just added to my point... “Unfortunately”

“Unfortunately, none of them at the time realized Lincoln had made several speeches stating what he did for the "Negro he did to save the Union."

“Unfortunately, the Emancipation Proclamation of 1863 didn't free a single slave in the South. What it did basically was to say if they could escape to the North, they could remain free without having to be returned to their owners as had been previously done.”

September 5, 2013 at 6:18 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

tifosi said...

Is the modern Republican Party really “the party of Lincoln,” and responsible for freeing the slaves? I don’t think so. But the GOP regularly, routinely, and with a straight face makes that claim. One Republican recently confronted me and stated the following:

“It was Republicans who beat Democrats in the Civil War, thus freeing the slaves. It was Democrats who started the KKK as its military wing to intimidate the (largely black) Republican party who were running the south after the war. Can a leopard change its spots?? Are the Democrats now the party FOR the black people after being against them for so long? So many of you are duped by the Devil’s trickery. a few table scraps from massa’s table and you run right back to his side. The Democrat is the racist.”

The above assertion is a prime example of how many Republicans can take a kernel of truth and create a banquet of lies. The truth is, Abraham Lincoln was a Republican, and so was Frederick Douglass and Dr. Martin Luther King. But since the Civil War the Republican and Democratic parties have completely changed their relative political positions, so relative to political philosophy, the modern Republican party bears absolutely no relationship to its predecessor.

Wow! ... What a powerful post and especially the part where you remembered the exact words that Republican spoke to you. That’s amazing as most people can’t remember what they had for lunch.

Wait!! .... What?? ... You don’t say ....

http://wattree.blogspot.com/2011/03/lesson-in-republican-hypocrisy-and.html

September 5, 2013 at 6:21 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said ...

So...it really doesn't bother me for you or anyone else to sit there and to call him names. He is still the President, he is going to continue to do his job, despite any and all obstacles, and history will always be kind to the man.

Do you know how it is that I know all of this?

About this time in HIS presidency, Bill Clinton was literally facing the prospect of impeachment.

Now the man is more popular than ever.

The more people dog someone, the more that kind of crap backfires in one's face. (Nixon is a fine example of that theory ... isn’t he - Jt)

I hope you are a Hillary fan.

Do you have any concept of the differences between correlation and causation? ... looks like you don't. I wouldn’t be too sure of how history will treat Obama especially now that the internet gives wide access to historical information. The writing of history is no longer written by the winners.

September 5, 2013 at 6:36 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

"The problem is that we’ve got the kind of partisan brinksmanship that is willing to put party ahead of country that is more interested in seeing their political opponents lose than seeing the country win. Nowhere was that more evident than in this recent debt ceiling debacle."

The man was, and continues to be correct.

I know what you mean as in that statement he has a firm grip on his self awareness and culpability.

September 5, 2013 at 6:43 p.m.
Maximus said...

Bombs Away From The USA......9/11/13. Never forget and you won't Assad.

September 5, 2013 at 6:53 p.m.
tifosi said...

Jt6gR3hM said... "Wait!! .... What?? ... You don’t say ...."

ROFLMAO... I just love that you read it and even looked it up. Maybe you are a little wiser for it.... NAH... you're not capable.

September 5, 2013 at 6:59 p.m.
rick1 said...

There are those who continue to say Bush lied to get our military to go into Iraq. The fact is the people making these comments have either failed to educate themselves or just listen and repeat what they get from left wing talking points.

From the LA Times article title" The White House didn't lie about Iraq. No matter what the Dems say, the evidence against Bush simply isn't there.

In 2004, the Senate Intelligence Committee unanimously approved a report acknowledging that it "did not find any evidence that administration officials attempted to coerce, influence or pressure analysts to change their judgments." The following year, the bipartisan Robb-Silberman report similarly found "no indication that the intelligence community distorted the evidence regarding Iraq's weapons of mass destruction."

http://articles.latimes.com/2008/jun/16/opinion/oe-kirchick16

September 5, 2013 at 7 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said ....

Barack Obama is the President of the United States, he has the backing of very many throughout the Middle East, as well as many of our key allies to go after that bastard.

Well Kerry did say that they are more than happy to hire us to do their killing and dying. Of course they haven’t paid up for last time. Can you believe that Obama and Kerry are pushing that line of B.S. considering their past declarations?

September 5, 2013 at 7:03 p.m.
tifosi said...

From the first days of the Civil War, slaves had acted to secure their own liberty. The Emancipation Proclamation confirmed their insistence that the war for the Union must become a war for freedom. It added moral force to the Union cause and strengthened the Union both militarily and politically. As a milestone along the road to slavery's final destruction, the Emancipation Proclamation has assumed a place among the great documents of human freedom.

September 5, 2013 at 7:04 p.m.
tifosi said...

rick1: I agree with your 7 PM assertion. I was ready to go after Saddam when he gassed the Kurds. He had WMD, he used WMD and whether he had mobile systems was irrelevant to me. He was a monster that had to be stopped. It is in our moral DNA to stop such atrocities. There was concrete evidence that the amount of chemicals destroyed did not equal the raw materials acquired to produce these agents.

It was not entirely out of the question that either Udah or Qusay took a convoy of trucks and a dozer and buried massive amounts of chemical agents, shot all witnesses, then drove back to Baghdad with the GPS coordinates.

Suddenly Syria pops up with chemical agents. DOH!!! Does anyone have any idea where these came from???

What I find ironic and hypocritical is the response from right-wing folks on this site.

September 5, 2013 at 7:12 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

tifosi said...

Jt6gR3hM said... "Wait!! .... What?? ... You don’t say ...."

ROFLMAO... I just love that you read it and even looked it up. Maybe you are a little wiser for it.... NAH... you're not capable.

It was time and effort well spent to once again reaffirm your status as someone that post lies here when the truth would be just as easy and effective. Congenital liar ... yeah that’s the deal ... Right?

Even as bad as that article is written it was readily apparent that it was above your capabilities and that it was surely something you stole and tried to take credit for. Usually when you post more that 2 sentences it fits this same M.O. of yours and is not difficult task to detect.

September 5, 2013 at 7:22 p.m.
rick1 said...

tifosi, I know we have disagreed in the past but I agree with most of your 7:12pm post.

I stated in a my 7:14pm post from last night Hussen was nothing but evil, Assad is evil but hasn't been proven to being the evil animal Hussen was.

Obama and Kerry both said it was wrong for Bush to go into Iraq yet they want to attack Syria. It has been proven Bush did not lie yet there seems to be credibility issues with Kerry on information he is giving compared to information being delivered by U.S. and British intelligence sources and non government sources.

I have several concerns with our country striking Syria. What will it accomplish if we hit so called targets that Syria has already moved chemical weapons out of? Reports are Assad is moving chemical weapons into highly populated areas and will use human shields.

What is the plan? To drop a couple of bombs so Obama can save face because of his stupid line in the sand comment? Or is it to run Assad out of office and assist the rebels to take over? The same rebels that have ties to Al-Qaeda? I do not want our military to be fighting for Al-Qaeda in a Syrian civil war.

Last Friday during the press conference while Obama was saying he would seek congressional approval, he referred to the military as "My military."

Hey Obama it is not your military and it is not to be used to strike other countries just because you embarrassed yourself and now you want to save face.

Ironic isn't it that during the 2004 election Kerry said Bush lied about WMD's in order to get us into Iraq which has been proven to be a lie and today Kerry is the one who appears to be lying to get us into Syria.

Obama and Kerry are the hypocrites

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/05/us-syria-crisis-usa-rebels-idUSBRE98405L20130905

September 5, 2013 at 7:40 p.m.
tifosi said...

Jt6gR3hM: Speak boy... speak!

September 5, 2013 at 7:41 p.m.
tifosi said...

rick1: One very alarming contradiction to your argument... why did former General and Secretary of State Colin Powell have such heartburn with President Bush?

I would vote for Colin Powell in a heart beat. Integrity and honor are in his DNA.

September 5, 2013 at 7:50 p.m.
rick1 said...

You contradicted yourself with your 7:12pm post you said Hussen had WMD's and he used WMD's and he had to be stopped. So you may want to ask yourself about Powell.

I would also take a second look at the integrity of Powell. He sat back and said nothing when he knew full well it was his Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage who provided Valerie Plame's name to Robert Novak. If Powell had the integrity you say he has he would have come forward instead of letting Scooter Libby take the fall

I feel Colin Powell is a sell out to members of the military. I did not hear him speaking up for the victims of the Ft. Hood shooting after the Obama Administration classified the shooting as an incident of work place violence and they were not able to get benefits. I did not hear Powell fighting for members of the military as Obama was gutting the budget and cutting back on pay and benefits and wanted to raise the premiums on their Tri Care insurance.

I have no respect for Powell

http://www.thenewamerican.com/reviews/opinion/item/10903-the-truth-about-the-valerie-plame-case-finally-emerges

September 5, 2013 at 8:13 p.m.
tifosi said...

I didn't contradict myself. Just your opinion... for whatever it is worth. Why was it his place to involve himself with Plame or Ft. Hood? He is not a politician. You never heard anything from any other high ranking military officer either. Why don't you judge General Schwarzkopf? I do not recall his judgment on Ft. Hood. General Powell became so disenchanted with politics after getting burned and was fully entitled to walk away. He served our nation more than most. He let the justice system work and it did.

September 5, 2013 at 8:23 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

John Kerry walks into a bar. Bartender says "why the long face?"

September 5, 2013 at 8:23 p.m.
rick1 said...

tifosi, please tell me how I contradicted myself.

It appears Powell wasn't that disenchanted with politics because he had no problem endorsing Obama on Sunday morning news shows in 2008 and 2012 and talking in 2012 on what a great job Obama had done. So he obviously agrees with how Obama handles those examples I provide involving the military.

I don't recall Scharzkopf endorsing a candidate and putting himself in the spotlight.

You said Powell was a man integrity and honor. Was it right to stand by and let Scotter Libby be accused a crime he did not commit when Powell knew he was innocent. If someone withheld information that would prove you were innocence would you be saying that person has integrity?

September 5, 2013 at 8:44 p.m.
tifosi said...

I do not know what was going on. "Scooter" may have kicked his dog for all I know.

I now understand why you despise Gen. Powell. He endorsed President Obama. True colors.

September 5, 2013 at 8:51 p.m.
fairmon said...

tifosi said...

since the Civil War the Republican and Democratic parties have completely changed their relative political positions, so relative to political philosophy, the modern Republican party bears absolutely no relationship to its predecessor.

The parties have hardly budged from their long term ideology, the parties haven't changed but people certainly have. Which party is the party that creates dependency creating a subservient society? Is that an atmosphere of freedom? Which party encourages helping yourself be independent and self sufficient, help those who help themselves. Which party encourages people to exercise their right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. It is not a racial issue, the number of whites in the dependent class exceeds all other races combined.

September 5, 2013 at 8:57 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

You dont know squat, Tiffy.

September 5, 2013 at 8:57 p.m.
rick1 said...

PT, tifosi is a simpleton.

September 5, 2013 at 9:01 p.m.
tifosi said...

I know losers... HAH!!! Go vote for DesJarlais.

September 5, 2013 at 9:05 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Yup

September 5, 2013 at 9:06 p.m.
Maximus said...

Republican Principles You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.

You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the the strong.

You cannot help the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer.

You cannot further the Brotherhood of Man by encouraging class hatred.

You cannot help the poor by discouraging the rich.

You cannot establish sound security on borrowed money.

You cannot keep out of trouble by spending more than you earn.

You cannot build character and courage by taking away a person's initiative and independence.

You cannot help people permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves.

Abe Lincoln, 1860

September 5, 2013 at 10:11 p.m.
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