published Tuesday, September 17th, 2013

2nd Amendment

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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alprova said...

Uh oh....

September 17, 2013 at 12:38 a.m.
facyspacy said...

Yep.... Make the rules up as you go.... And if it turns out to be a bad decision, blame it on somebody else

September 17, 2013 at 12:40 a.m.
AndrewLohr said...

If someone annoyed at your cartoons came in, would you be glad if one of your colleagues had a concealed weapon to teach the visitor manners? (Perhaps you keep a little insurance yourself?)

Defining your preferences as "sanity" is exactly the way to keep the peace.

Maybe "sanity" should be defined as reading the book "More Guns Less Crime." Maybe "sanity" should be defined as understanding that to the (insane?) writers of the 2nd amendment, a securely free state was one whose citizens' firepower could do to tyrannical governments what they had done to King George III's. Maybe "sanity" should be defined as amending the Constitution by votes of 2/3 of Congress and 3/4 of the states, not by 5 supreme court votes or one splash of white-out. Maybe "sanity" should be defined as small government, which works, as opposed to big government, which doesn't. Now that Russia has emptied its psychiatric hospitals, maybe she'd have room for US liberals.

(Anyone read the interesting story of courtesy, 'Communist student in a war zone,' chapter 2 of "The Southern Front" by Eugene Genovese?)

September 17, 2013 at 12:49 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

toon = a load of it

September 17, 2013 at 1:11 a.m.
jesse said...

How about we pass some laws banning insanity?

That would work about as well as all the gun law on the books now!

September 17, 2013 at 3:15 a.m.
joneses said...

uh oh is correct. Now we have to read and hear all the insanity from the anti 2nd amendment rights extremist that guns are the problem. And now hussein obama will use this to destroy America even more as he will take attention away from how Putin and Assad exposed him as the fool he is to the rest of the world.

September 17, 2013 at 7:01 a.m.
conservative said...

I have to give Mr. Bennett credit for putting it in writing.

I wish other Liberals and anti Second Amenders would be as honest.

September 17, 2013 at 7:26 a.m.
moon4kat said...

What we never hear from the pro-gun crowd is any sensible way to curb the repeated massacres and myriad child shootings. The NRA is reckless, profiteering, and has no viable solution to stop the carnage. "More guns" they say; yet, that is obviously not working out as a way to stop the mass killings.

September 17, 2013 at 8:28 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

moon: What we never hear from the anti-gun crowd is any sensible way to curb the repeated massacres and myriad child shootings.

September 17, 2013 at 8:44 a.m.
fairmon said...

Those with political ambitions may want to consider what happened to the two Colorado candidates that supported gun control laws.

No one has yet proposed a way to prevent loonies and criminals from having guns even if law abiding people are not allowed to have them. Anything banned by law becomes a source of wealth for criminals. Alcohol prohibition days and now drugs, prostitution and gambling prove that over and over. Legalize, regulate and tax solves more than attempting to legislate or pass laws then trying to enforce them.

September 17, 2013 at 9:19 a.m.
tifosi said...

There is nothing "well regulated" about gun owners today.

September 17, 2013 at 9:32 a.m.
moon4kat said...

Well-said and too true, tifosi. thx.

September 17, 2013 at 9:35 a.m.
tbs1015 said...

There will always be crazy people. Some people are born that way. What we should do, is make it a hell of a lot harder to get a gun these days then what is is. Any joe blow off the street can come and get a high powered assault rife as long as they haven't been convicted of a felony in the past 10 or so years.

September 17, 2013 at 9:36 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Did the latest miscreant buy his AR-15 from a gun shop?

September 17, 2013 at 9:40 a.m.
tifosi said...

9 year old Texas boy accidentally shot and killed by 13 year old friend

In Texas, a grandfather is thinking about what happened when his 9 year old grandson was shot and killed by a 13 year old friend.

From an article:

The grandfather of a 9-year-old boy killed in an accidental shooting has been released from jail. A Clay County Jail dispatcher said Sunday that 56-year-old Danny Eugene Bowman was no longer there. The Wichita Falls Times Record(http://bit.ly/11FixDo ) reports Bowman was arrested Friday on a child endangerment charge. That came shortly after grandson Daniel Wiley was killed by a shotgun blast to the face in rural Clay County.

According to a probable cause affidavit obtained by the newspaper, Bowman told deputies he left Daniel and a 13-year-old grandson alone with a disabled, 76-year-old great-grandmother while he drove to get beer. He told them the weapon is always loaded and unsecured.

The older grandson told deputies the gun discharged when he handed it to Daniel.

Every gun in the hands of a child must first pass through the hands of an adult.

September 17, 2013 at 9:58 a.m.
limric said...

moon4kat,

Couldn’t the same argument apply to American militarism and ” the repeated massacres” inflicted by it – in our name?

What would you suggest as "viable solution to stop the carnage."?

September 17, 2013 at 10:02 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Moon: Simple. Elect a Libertarian.

September 17, 2013 at 10:04 a.m.
tifosi said...

As a soldier, it was pounded into our head from the very beginning - Never, ever leave a firearm unsecured. It is either on your body (or next to it), or it is secured.

The NRA does absolutely nothing to promote this simple safety practice. Gun owners leave firearms laying around the house, hid underneath the seat in their truck/car and God only knows where else.

Ms. Lanza, a dues paying member of the NRA did not properly secure her firearms, resulting in a pile of dead children.

It is time for gun owners to start policing themselves and being better stewards of their passion. The threat of changing the 2nd Amendment is a direct result of their own recklessness.

September 17, 2013 at 10:05 a.m.
limric said...

Tifosi(Enzo) quote:

"There is nothing "well regulated" about gun owners today."

I am a gun owner and I'm quite "well regulated."

What or who defines 'Well Regulated'?

September 17, 2013 at 10:06 a.m.
Maximus said...

Uhhhh......Clay......that would be a no. On to the range to practice with my new Colt 1911. Mr. Alexis needed to be in a state nut house. Open them back up and put the nutcase liberals like Clay in. Mr. Alexis was also going to the wonderful guvment run VA for mental health treatment. He also had a history of misconduct in the Navy. Just another example of why we do not need the guvment running our healthcare. The government, without a profit motive or anyone holding it accountable rarely does anything right.

Have a nice day and keep your powder dry.

September 17, 2013 at 10:09 a.m.
limric said...

Tifosi(Enzo),

Ms. Lanza DID NOT shoot those children.

Your statement: "The NRA does absolutely nothing to promote this simple safety practice" is simply untrue.

September 17, 2013 at 10:17 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Unfortunately, there is no good way of telling whether someone is suffering from some psychopathology, and no way at all to tell which of these may commit a violent act (unless, of course, they already have, but even our definition of where that line is varies) The cat is already out of the bag, so to speak; there is no way to remove the vast number of weapons out there. Adult responsibility will remove most of the accidental child killings, but I have to admit (and this ain't easy, folks) that the only way to reduce the casualty numbers in this kind of incident is eliminating "gun free zones". Ideally, we'd prevent them from happening, but short of huge loss in freedom (in terms of being labeled as a mentally ill person regardless of what type of pathology you have and losing a variety of "rights" beyond carrying a weapon; we won't even mention the second amendment) that really is the only answer. Sadly, the foundation of this problem was laid more than 200 years ago.

September 17, 2013 at 10:38 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

No way to know for sure, of course, but if workers at Navy Yard with carry licenses had been allowed to bring them on base, the result may have been a far greater loss of life.

September 17, 2013 at 10:43 a.m.
Maximus said...

Common theme with U.S. mass shootings:

Shooter had history of mental illness.

Shootings occurred in gun free zones.

September 17, 2013 at 10:58 a.m.
limric said...

I'm not sure where you're going with that PlainTruth.

Could you please elaborate?

September 17, 2013 at 11:15 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Limric...my bad...meant less lost lives. Typing at 175 wpm, I make errors.

September 17, 2013 at 11:50 a.m.
AgentX said...

A lot of the accidental shootings come back to education. One of the first rules I learned was to handle every gun as though it were loaded. Period. I have guns, I have kids, and I have a CCP and I do carry. I DON'T leave something down where my kids could get it. As it was mentioned earlier (by tifosi), if it isn't on you, it should be somewhere secured. I am an advocate for firearms, but I think some changes should be made. Education about gun safety and ownership should be the first step. Heck, get a certificate from the class for a discount on a gun safe to help secure your future firearms. There are plenty of things that can be done. Unfortunately, news agencies and politicians and some major groups have to act like it's got to be all or nothing, as if there was no middle ground. Criminals, by definition, break the law. More laws wont affect them. They have to be handled on a different level.

September 17, 2013 at 12:31 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

^^^^^ The Agent makes good points.

September 17, 2013 at 12:37 p.m.
tifosi said...

The New York Times' Joe Nocera has been writing his Gun Report now since the Sandy Hook shooting last December. He took a breather but came back today with a list of the shootings just over the last Labor Day week-end. By our count there were 17 incidents involving the death or injury of children as young as 1 and as old as 17 years old. You can read about them in the report. Some of these were homicides and some accidental shootings.

September 17, 2013 at 12:53 p.m.
soakya said...

Lkeithlu, what do you mean the foundation of this problem was laid 200 years ago.

September 17, 2013 at 1:16 p.m.
jesse said...

I think she means when the 2nd amendment was written!

The genii is out of the bottle and ain't never going back in and more unenforced law won't do it!We can't enforce the laws we have now and adding more is no solution!As long as humans inhabit the planet they are going to kill each other by whatever means are available so learn to live with it!Ain't gonna change!

September 17, 2013 at 1:33 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

PT asks, "Did the latest miscreant buy his AR-15 from a gun shop?" No, he didn't have one🔫

September 17, 2013 at 1:48 p.m.
conservative said...

CNN said the shooter purchased an AR15 shotgun!!!

Hey, they are Liberals, their intentions are good and besides their sheep either don't care or don't know the difference.

September 17, 2013 at 1:56 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Thank you, jesse. Soakya, what jesse said. We are a country that detests government putting any restriction on us, ever. Gun rights are written into the constitution. I suspect that the founders would be appalled at today's situation.

September 17, 2013 at 4:09 p.m.
jesse said...

Here ya go! All ya need to know about WHY we kill each other!

http://www.users.muohio.edu/erlichrd/vms_site/afric.htm

September 17, 2013 at 4:41 p.m.
librul said...

The founders would be appalled at lots and lots of things - and I'll bet they would not conflate personal firearms possession with the well regulated National Guard.

September 17, 2013 at 4:59 p.m.
soakya said...

I understand you are talking about the constitution but how is that the problem?

September 17, 2013 at 5:24 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

As long as it is a "right" to own guns we will have guns. Many guns. We can't effectively keep them out of the hands of those that "shouldn't" have them. You cannot reverse this and confiscate the guns and start over.

September 17, 2013 at 6:15 p.m.
tifosi said...

How sad that gun owners think it is up to everyone else to solve the problem. Don't dare infringe on their party, nor ask them to be more responsible.

Lock up your guns. Don't leave them lying around for children. Don't leave them in the bed-side drawer. Don't leave them under your car seat.

Thieves break in and steal them and do evil things. The "law abiding" gun owner that leaves guns unsecured shares in the responsibility for the crimes thereafter.

Properly secure your firearms and many crimes will go away. It is simple.

Proof is in the pudding. http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/20...

September 17, 2013 at 7:15 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

There you go again, Tiffy. With that broad brush.

September 17, 2013 at 7:56 p.m.
tifosi said...

What is so broad about it? It is simple. We cannot cull out the crazy or criminal. Every soldier knows you do not leave a firearm unsecured. That one simple act performed by responsible gun owners will go a long way. It reduces the chance of criminals getting your guns. It virtually eliminates children from getting them. It will take a lot of steam out of those that want to do far more towards limiting the 2nd Amendment. It is just the smart thing to do.

You claim "broad brush" while staying safe by not presenting any reasonable argument. How convenient.

September 17, 2013 at 8:16 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

I was referring to your first sentence. Man you're touchy.

September 17, 2013 at 8:25 p.m.
tifosi said...

I bought the Walmart mind-reading kit. Get what you pay for.

September 17, 2013 at 8:29 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Tifosi you run off at the mouth all the time about this and I have intended to address it before but now seems to be a good time to do so.

tifosi said...

The NRA does absolutely nothing to promote this simple safety practice. Gun owners leave firearms laying around the house, hid underneath the seat in their truck/car and God only knows where else.


http://eddieeagle.nra.org/

The Eddie Eagle GunSafe® Program teaches children in pre-K through third grade four important steps to take if they find a gun. These steps are presented by the program's mascot, Eddie Eagle, in an easy-to-remember format consisting of the following simple rules:

If you see a gun:

STOP!

Don't Touch.

Leave the Area.

Tell an Adult.

Begun in 1988, The Eddie Eagle GunSafe® Program has reached more than 26 million children - in all 50 states. This program was developed through the combined efforts of such qualified professionals as clinical psychologists, reading specialists, teachers, curriculum specialists, urban housing safety officials, and law enforcement personnel.

The purpose of the Eddie Eagle Program isn't to teach whether guns are good or bad, but rather to promote the protection and safety of children. The program makes no value judgments about firearms, and no firearms are ever used in the program. Like swimming pools, electrical outlets, matchbooks and household poison, they're treated simply as a fact of everyday life. With firearms found in about half of all American households, it's a stance that makes sense.

Eddie Eagle is never shown touching a firearm, and he does not promote firearm ownership or use. The program prohibits the use of Eddie Eagle mascots anywhere that guns are present. The Eddie Eagle Program has no agenda other than accident prevention - ensuring that children stay safe should they encounter a gun. The program never mentions the NRA. Nor does it encourage children to buy guns or to become NRA members. The NRA does not receive any appropriations from Congress, nor is it a trade organization. It is not affiliated with any firearm or ammunition manufacturers or with any businesses that deal in guns and ammunition.

(cont)

September 17, 2013 at 10:44 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

(cont)

http://www.nrainstructors.org/CourseCatalog.aspx

Name : NRA Home Firearm Safety Course

Short Description : Non-shooting course and teaches students the basic knowledge, skills, and to explain the attitude necessary for the safe handling and storage of firearms and ammunition in the home.

More Details: This is a four-hour course for safe gun handling that is conducted in the classroom only. Students are taught NRA’s three rules for safe gun handling; primary causes of firearms accidents; firearm parts; how to unload certain action types; ammunition components; cleaning; care; safe storage of firearms in the home; and the benefits of becoming an active participant in the shooting sports. Students will receive the NRA Home Firearm Safety handbook, NRA Gun Safety Rules brochure, Basic Firearm Training Program brochure, course completion certificate. (Lesson Plan 6-90, reprint 12-08).


http://materials.nrahq.org/go/product.aspx?productid=ES%2014120 Home Firearm Safety (HANDBOOK ONLY)

Description (HANDBOOK ONLY) This handbook on home firearm safety is one in a series of NRA publications developed as part of the NRA Basic Firearm Training Program. It is the student text for the Home Firearm Safety Course and includes such topics as gun safety, types of guns and ammunition, safely unloading various types of firearms, proper cleaning and storage for firearms.


http://eddieeagle.nra.org/information-for-parents.aspx

Gun Owners' Responsibilities

Most states impose some form of legal duty on adults to take reasonable steps to deny access by children to dangerous substances or instruments. It is the individual gun owner's responsibility to understand and follow all laws regarding gun purchase, ownership, storage, transport, etc. Contact your state police and/or local police for information regarding such laws. If you own a gun and do not know how to operate it, do not experiment with it. Point it in a safe direction, keep your finger off the trigger, and store it securely. Seek competent assistance and instruction at once. An untrained adult can be as dangerous as a curious child.

Store guns so that they are inaccessible to children and other unauthorized users. Gun shops sell a wide variety of safes, cases, and other security devices. While specific security measures may vary, a parent must, in every case, assess the exposure of the firearm and absolutely ensure that it is inaccessible to a child.

This webpage is not intended as a complete course in gun safety and is not a substitute for formal, qualified instruction in the handling, use, or storage of firearms. The guidelines herein should be considered options to minimize the chance of an accident occurring in the home.

September 17, 2013 at 10:46 p.m.
caddy said...

The greatest liar in the world is still outraged at being lied to--thus testifying to our own injustice by how we always expect others to behave towards us.

Likewise, the greatest Gun-Grabber in the world wishes he had one when someone threatens him. Or maybe not. The state will protect. Just trust the state.

No one is a moral relativist, subjectivist or minimalist when it comes to others behavior to him, only his to others.

September 19, 2013 at 10:50 a.m.
absolutetruth said...

clay has yet again proposed communist style tactics to boot-heel people into ascribing to his leftist-liberal pov. he condones abortion, homos, jerking God out of all public arenas, the sad thing is that if libturds could read the founding documents and the letters written by the founders, they would realize that almost all of them had a strict reverence to their creator jesus christ. that my dear socialists is a fact, they never intended this country to remove god as the central reason for all of our prosperity, fact, it is indisputable .if gun laws worked the navy shooting never would have happened, what cleigh is proposing is confiscation, because how else could they insure gun control would work, then would they make gun crimes punishable by life sentences, no they would liberate the criminals bc libtards are idiots oh, btw MOLON LABE COMMIES

September 21, 2013 at 11:14 a.m.
absolutetruth said...

you liberal fools who want to put words in the founders mouths,,,stupid commies you are,,,the right of the people shall not be infringed,, wtf dont you understand about that, i have two words for you gunless libtards MOLON LABE...my guns keep you safe..criminals are criminals and gun free zones dont work for them bc they dont follow the rules,,quit being stupid,,,,criminals dont follow the law , as soon as they break the law liberal liars(lawyers) do everything in their power to get the thugs off on technicalities or any other grey area of the law,,,notice how they arent ripping the shooter at the navy yard apart in the media,, bc he is on their side, if he was a tea party conservative they would tear him apart and his family too,,we havent heard anything about this dumb thugs family ..yet the media immediate;ly claimed he had an ar15..but he didnt liberals are so typicval...poor sheep all they do is follow other sheep,,

September 21, 2013 at 7:08 p.m.
absolutetruth said...

librul,,,YOU ARE AN IDIOT

September 21, 2013 at 7:13 p.m.
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